How to Avoid Delays in Getting ECFMG Certification (2021)

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  • @pranavajmera6507
    @pranavajmera6507 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderfully summated!

  • @thirteenbee3890
    @thirteenbee3890 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you 😻

  • @anaz1635
    @anaz1635 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for the informative video! Once we have all these things done (Step 1, Step 2 CK, OET, Pathway and medical school credentials verified), do we need to apply for the certificate? Or does ECFMG start the process automatically once we meet all the criteria? Thank you!

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They do start the process automatically once you are approved for the pathway. So when you get approved for the pathway, they automatically send that medical school verification then after you are verified, you'll get the certificate.

    • @ashkasurve3055
      @ashkasurve3055 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello. I have similar question. Before applying to step 1, I had sent my documents (medical school transcript, and dean's letter) to ECFMG via courrier and my form 186 was notarise via notary cam. All these were done before step 1. Now after completing OET, do I have to do the same process again? If yes, then which form should I fill up and what is the guideline ahead? Thank you.

  • @nizarhakam
    @nizarhakam ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for this helpful video. Is Pathway 1 application independent from Step 2 ck ? In other words, can I apply to Pathway 1 and get it approved before taking step 2 ck ? If yes then is there a limit on the time to take step 2 ck after the pathway being approved ?

  • @keerthanajyotheeswarapilla710
    @keerthanajyotheeswarapilla710 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so helpful advice. I have a small question. Is it okay to upload just the license and not the letter of good standing?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello! Unfortunately, they want a certificate of good standing, and license won't do. They also want it from an email coming from the institution, or if you upload it yourself, they will be verifying it with the institution which might take longer.

  • @DanB-ie9ko
    @DanB-ie9ko 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your information.
    My medical license was issued in 2010. I am wondering if it is a problem to apply for pathway 1. Do you have a template for certificate of good standing? thanks!!!

  • @_inspirationandmotivation
    @_inspirationandmotivation 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you!

  • @shemaenoch
    @shemaenoch 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, thanks for the video. My questions are;
    1. If I start the pathway application, does it have a time limit? Or does it expire?
    2. Do you advise to start this process after step 1?
    3. After paying for the ecfmg certification application via the online and form 186, does it expire?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So the Form 186 as I remember is just a certification for eligibility for taking the usmle steps, usually the step 1 and I think it has a 5 year validity, according to this iwa2.ecfmg.org/gradoverview.aspiwa2.ecfmg.org/gradoverview.asp. Your ecfmg certification is the one you get having fulfilled steps 1 and 2 ck, oet and pathway approval so technically, you apply for the ecfmg certification after getting the results for 2 ck and oet and not just after step 1.

    • @shemaenoch
      @shemaenoch 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@doctorsays1330 thanks so much. This is very useful 🙏

  • @tuhachusi
    @tuhachusi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for your informative video!.
    I have a medical license in my home country, so I will apply via pathway 1. But I just applied for the Step 1 exam and didn't take OET, step 2 CK. So I wonder that.
    When is the earliest time that I can apply for Pathway 1?
    Thank you so much for your response!.

    • @serinsheriff8711
      @serinsheriff8711 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I also have same query .. the pathway application last date is 31 st Jan ..

    • @tuhachusi
      @tuhachusi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@serinsheriff8711 Thanks for replying to my comment. I intend to apply for Pathway 1 and get ECFMG certification in 2024 for Match 2025. Can I start the pathway after the Match season 2023 and get Certification in 2024?

  • @urvashirathod7720
    @urvashirathod7720 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello! Thank you for such an amazing video. Can I apply for pathway without letter of good standing? As the ecfmg certification pathway closes by 31st december and I literally have 2 days can I apply for pathway still? I am currently waiting for my oet results as well.

  • @doomsdayknight2229
    @doomsdayknight2229 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey thank you for the informative video and for sharing your experience! So I gave my Usmle step 1 (2019) and step 2 CK after graduating (2018) which means that i had to upload certain medical education credentials. This year I will be applying for the match 2023 and have been pathway 1 approved. However the completion of ECMFG certification is still pending which i guess is only the medical credentials? Do i have to push for the next step or its automatically done? My university takes part in the online portal communication but its been 2 weeks or more since the pathway approval and I haven’t heard back anything?

    • @doomsdayknight2229
      @doomsdayknight2229 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      P.s since i gave step 1 and step 2 after graduating i wouldnt have to upload anything else that would be required on my medical credentials isn’t it?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Since you are already approved for the pathway, that means you don't really have to do anything. The approval of the medical school credentials should be between your med school and ecfmg. I would contact my medical school to follow up or get an update about the credential just to make sure that they received the documents from ecfmg.

    • @doomsdayknight2229
      @doomsdayknight2229 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@doctorsays1330 thank youu!

  • @Thedreamer579
    @Thedreamer579 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for the informative video. I recently took OET exam and planning to take CK on August 25😒😒.
    1. Can I apply for my certificate before taking CK?
    2. What else do you advise me to do so I can make everything available for 2023 match as I am taking my CK in later date ? Thanks in advance.

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello there, thanks so much for watching the video. Congratulations on making it this far! So in order to be eligible for the ECFMG certification, you need to pass your Step 2 CK. It will help if you are ECFMG certified when you apply to programs, as most of the programs prefer that but they are absolutely sending invites to applicants who aren't certified yet as well (all depending on the strength of your application). So for now, I would say focus on your Step 2 CK and make sure that the other parts of your application (USCE, CV, PS, and LORs) are complete. Also, make sure that you have your requirements ready for the pathway you are applying to since you have to apply for the pathway first before having the ECFMG certification process.

  • @sheenaserrano4614
    @sheenaserrano4614 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi doctor! first, thank you for this content! I'm an IMG from the Philippines. I just finished my step 2 CK. I'm now waiting for the results (fingers crossed). I just want to ask from where will we get the Certificate of Good Standing? And is OET med a requirement for the application of Step 2 pathway 1? Thank you!

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello! Congratulations on finishing CK, I'm sure you did well on that. You will get the certificate from the medical board that issued your medical license. Yes, OET is required for the pathway approval.

    • @sheenaserrano4614
      @sheenaserrano4614 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Posted on the website is the expiration of certificates on Dec 2024, right? So say I passed and got my ECFMG certificate this year and plans on joining match 2024 (as I still need to do USCE) and got matched, do I still need to reapply for my ECFMG certificate while in the middle of training?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sheenaserrano4614 Yes, I believe that if you match on march 2024, you won't have to reapply for a certificate. Here's the link for that www.ecfmg.org/2022ib/ecfmg-certificate.html

  • @ankurdh
    @ankurdh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey! Thanks for the informative video.
    I have a question:
    My credential status says: Medical education credentials complete and verified.
    I have already passed step2CS and I am in process of taking step1 and step2ck soon.
    So ,my question : After I pass step1 and step2 ck (i.e completing all the requirements for ecfmg certification),do I need to apply for issuance of ecfmg certification or they automatically issue it?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello, you have to apply for the pathway then they will approve that and they will automatically process your ecfmg certification.

    • @ankurdh
      @ankurdh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@doctorsays1330 I passed step 2 cs in 2018(result of which like any other step is valid for 7 years) .Due to some reasons I could not take other steps that time.Now will be soon taking step1 and ck.
      So ,I was asking about ecfmg certification

  • @garagebeats1119
    @garagebeats1119 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi
    I got my pathway approval back in November 2021 saying I met the clinical skills requirement and I thought I was ECFMG certified.
    It was only recently that I realised I am not done yet since I have to upload my diploma through upload tool and get my medical school diploma verified.
    So I uploaded my diploma and was wondering how do I check my status. Like whether the ecfmg sent the form to my medical school ?
    Can you please help me with how I can check the ECFMG certification status?

  • @sajithsilva3816
    @sajithsilva3816 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello, your video is very helpful, i just have one question. I'm applying via pathway 6 and do we have to put doctors information who's agreed to do Mini-CEX exam with us in the pathway application or can we apply without doctor's information and put that info later?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi! Thanks so much for that, I didn't do the mini-CEX so I am not very familiar with this, to be honest but based on the website, you should be including this information. Here's the link www.ecfmg.org/certification-requirements-2023-match/pathway-6.html#miniCEX

  • @hangxiang8466
    @hangxiang8466 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Doctor! Thank you for all those vedios you have made for us!
    I am goint to apply Pathway 1, and have few questions:
    1. How to apply ECFMG Certification. The web says you should apply online and have your Certification of Identification Form (Form 186) that must be completed and notarized.
    Does it mean the Pathway web?
    Also, I remember I have sent the Form 186 before I was able to take the test. So, this is a little confusing.
    2. I have my good certification of Good Standing sent to ECFMG. How do I know that if I meet the Pathway 1 requirement? Do I have to call them?
    3.You mentioned Medical Credentials Verified automatically. After I apply for Pathway?
    Do I have to apply for EPIC for Medical Credential Verification?
    4. In addtion to the application of Pathway, ERAS, NRMP, do we have to apply CVS, EPIC, et.al?
    Thank you !

  • @carlagonzalez6636
    @carlagonzalez6636 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey doctor! I have a question, I took my step 2 CK and I will take the OET at the end of August. I going to apply to Pathway 1. So i want to know if I can pay the Pathway without having the Letter of good standing ready yet and without the oet Results ?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I believe that you pay it at the end, at least you had to upload the certificate of good standing there to process, for the oet you can upload later after paying cause that's what I did, I dont know if the rules changed.

  • @salmaabousahle377
    @salmaabousahle377 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you tell me please, did you take your step 2 ck before or after graduating?

  • @JB-cn1if
    @JB-cn1if 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doc sorry, aside from PRC sending an e-mail to ecfmg, do they need to send a snail mail as well? Thank you Doc!!

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello there, I dont know about PRC but the snail mail is from ECFMG to my medical school for Form 327 that they have to fill out.

  • @JaykumarVadodariya
    @JaykumarVadodariya 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At which address they sent Certificate ? i am at stage of 925 $ payment for pathway . From where to select Address of dispatch ?
    Thank you

  • @Obsessed5555
    @Obsessed5555 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello there
    can you help me...how to sent medical credentials from ecfmg to my medical college via fedex or dhl?
    as my medical college haven't received any paper from ecfmg
    and ecfmg advised to dhl or fedex
    but i have no idea how to do it
    please help me out

  • @JamesWLee-uh9jq
    @JamesWLee-uh9jq 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question. ECFMG reviews the authenticity or truthfulness? Or ECFMG reviews the contents what I studied in Japan? For example, what subjects I took or how many hours I did practice from my transcript?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello! So the ECFMG requires the medical school to send them an official transcript and an official diploma with the official school seal and I believe that they are checking for the authenticity of that rather than your subjects and hours taken during med school.

  • @ammarx123
    @ammarx123 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    so once you fulfill the requirements you immediately get ECFMG certified? because it says it takes 2 weeks. i plan on getting my OET result on 17th of september so i only have few days before deadline for ERAS application comes

  • @crypticcryptom3434
    @crypticcryptom3434 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi thank you so much for your informative video. I would like to ask a question regarding ecfmg certificate. I have passed step1/ck/oet and I will be in US for research in Jun 2023 and I am not planning to apply for match 2023. Even though I am not planing to apply for match 2023 do you think I should apply for ecfmg pathway(certificate) from now on or should I postpone it?

  • @serinsheriff8711
    @serinsheriff8711 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey I have a query … I passed step 1 and have a license in home country . I have not given OET , step 2 Ck . Last date for pathway applications is Jan31 .. Can I apply for pathway 1 and update my OET score after Jan 31 ?

  • @Nerd_medica
    @Nerd_medica 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello doctor hope you will fine. Currently I am student of 2nd year MD in Uzbekistan. I am confused about the ecfmg certification. I don't believe my university will apply for recognition from wfme in due time. So if I apply for ecfmg certificate eligibility now and take exams after 2024. So then will I be able get my certificate after 2024 Based on that eligibility certificate which I have applied before when my university was eligible?

  • @오영민-n2o
    @오영민-n2o 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi i don’t have my step 2 scores yet. Can I start this ecfmg certificate process , which are oet verification and school credential verification?

  • @jigskhan381
    @jigskhan381 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    so once u pass oet, and u first need to go to oet site to select ecfm for verification.
    I did that.
    now wat?
    are they gonna send me a mail that i m verified?
    how do i know abt they saw my scores or not after 5 days.
    kindly guide me.
    thanks

  • @ristogrkovski7931
    @ristogrkovski7931 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you already finished residency in your country and are now reapplying in the US? I thought pathway 1 is for already specialists in other countries.

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is my first time applying this year. Pathway 1 is for those with license to practice in their own country, not necessarily attending a residency.

  • @chideraudeani9602
    @chideraudeani9602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this. Just some few questions I just applied for step 1 so I'm really getting confused with all these info
    1. What is certificate of good standing and what does it contain?
    2. When will I be able to apply for a pathway? I just graduated from med school but I haven't done internship hence I don't have the permanent licence to practice yet until after internship
    3. Will you have to pass step 2 ck before writing OET
    4. What materials did you use/read to practice for the step 1 exams?
    5. What happens next after ecfmg certification?
    5. Can we be friends?😃

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hello! Thanks for watching the video! So to answer your questions,
      1. Certificate of Good Standing is given by the medical council in your country after obtaining your license to practice there as a doctor. It is needed to be approved of pathway 1 which is one of the pathways to get the ecfmg certification.
      2. This contains the requirements for pathways and to understand more about it. I believe if you do not have a license to practice, you won’t be eligible for pathway 1 so you might want to check other pathways for that.
      3. No you do not. You can take OET before 2 Ck, it is completely up to you.
      4. I used FA, pathoma, BnB, and UW. A bit of goljan and osmosis, sketchy micro as well. (Yep I used a lot of resources, should’ve focused more on UW to be honest).
      5. It is required by programs for matching. Also, this is required for Step 3, so after ecfmg certification, you’ll be eligible for step 3.
      6. SURE, OF COURSE! Lol

    • @chideraudeani9602
      @chideraudeani9602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@doctorsays1330 thank you. So when can I apply for any pathway? Will I have to pass step 1 and 2 ck before I can apply for a pathway?

    • @chideraudeani9602
      @chideraudeani9602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@doctorsays1330 also will be starting my internship next month and it's for a year before the permanent licence however we will be given a provisional licence for that one year of internship

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chideraudeani9602 I am not sure about the provisional license. You might want to call ECFMG to confirm about that.

    • @chideraudeani9602
      @chideraudeani9602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @inchyokk
    @inchyokk ปีที่แล้ว

    can i apply for a pathway whilst waiting for my step 1 results?

  • @nehaseth778
    @nehaseth778 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can v apply for ecfmg pathway with only step 1 pass ? and then give OET and step 2 ck within 90 days ?

  • @D111-f7z
    @D111-f7z 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can we apply for ecfmg before taking usmle step 1 and step 2CK???

  • @tbonesteak1481
    @tbonesteak1481 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What does certificate of good standing mean ? Is it the one we ask from college ?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi! You will be needing a certificate of good standing for pathway 1 if you are applying for it. That is given if you have a license to practice medicine in your country, and you don't get that from your college, you usually get it from the institution that issued your license. Of course, it varies between countries so best to ask medical graduates from your country.

    • @tbonesteak1481
      @tbonesteak1481 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@doctorsays1330 thank you! Yes I will apply through pathway one. So this would be my practicing license play good standing letter from the authority that gives the practicing license. Got it

  • @ghostguitarist9606
    @ghostguitarist9606 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, I am applying for Match 2023 via Pathway 1. I am left with CK which I will take in last week of July. My query is - Should I go ahead and apply for ECFMG certificate right now or should I wait for CK result to come out (probably in August)? What do you suggest and please tell me if it is even possible to apply for certification before getting CK score.
    Also, if they issue me the certificate only after CK score is released why should I think about applying earlier?
    Thanks,
    Prabh.

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello there, thanks a lot for watching the video. So one of the requirements for the certification is passing Step 2 CK, this is true when applying for the pathway as well which is needed to be done before applying for the ECFMG certification. You may refer to this link for more info on the requirements www.ecfmg.org/certification-requirements-2023-match/.
      Good luck!

  • @tejveersingh4096
    @tejveersingh4096 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello. Does ECFMG approval mean everything is done?
    How much time did it take for you to move from ecfmg approved to ecfmg certified?
    FYI I am applying via pathway 1

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi! Do you mean pathway approval? Once you're ecfmg certified, yes everything is done. However, pathway approval is different from ecfmg approval. It took me almost 3 months after being pathway approved to getting my ecfmg certification. It is mainly because my medical school credentials was pending, it was explained in the video.

    • @tejveersingh4096
      @tejveersingh4096 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@doctorsays1330 Hello. I really appreciate you replying swiftly. Yes, my medical school credentials are certified. My real question was that:
      1. Approval means that ECFMG has received letter of good standing and OET?
      2. Once it is approved and the medical credentials are verified, how much time does it take for ECFMG Certification? According to the video, it appears that your certification came within a day.
      Thank you so much for your time

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tejveersingh4096 hey, 1. Yes, approval is indeed having the cgs and being done with oet. 2. We might have a different timeline since my medical credentials weren't verified even after my pathway approval so it took a lot longer for me. But once it is approved, you should be receiving an email from ecfmg that you are certified and that they will mail you the actual certificate. Upon receiving that email, I got my actual certificate 5 days after through mail. Hope I was able to answer your question.

    • @tejveersingh4096
      @tejveersingh4096 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@doctorsays1330 Thank you so much for the info. You just earned a new suscriber
      All the best for your match

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tejveersingh4096 thanks a lot! Good luck to you as well!

  • @phytx01
    @phytx01 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    To apply via pathway 1 or pathway 3, ECFMG certification doesnt require the actual degree right ? Only the credentials from our medical school?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You will be needing your medical diploma/degree for your ECFMG certification. For pathway 1, you need a medical license in your home country as it requires a letter of good standing for your license to be approved, with that, you will be needing a medical degree.

  • @dianabesha9389
    @dianabesha9389 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, If I have my credentials verified by EPIC-ECFMG, will I need to go through the verification process with my med school, or I can retrieve that from EPIC?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am not aware of EPIC for ECFMG so I'm afraid I cannot answer your question on this. The best thing to do is to call ECFMG regarding this to clarify because you don't want any delays in the verification process if your credentials can't be retrieved from EPIC.

    • @alimehdi1346
      @alimehdi1346 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@doctorsays1330 do we have to ask ECFMG to get our degree verified through online portal or they do it via online portal now a days by themselves?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alimehdi1346 For me, I didn't have to request for it. ECFMG sent the verification automatically.

  • @chennaisuperkingsm69
    @chennaisuperkingsm69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I ask for CGS even before steps? I heard they r valid for 90 days. Say I plan for 2023 match can I apply for pathway verification and credential verification now?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You might want to wait for pathways for match 2023 because it might be different from the pathways for this match.

  • @phytx01
    @phytx01 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    To be eligible for pathway one : it says you should be holding license of your home country (BUt not training ) so I want to know I hold lisence of Saudi to work as a General physician. Am I eligible to apply via pathway 1 ?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you can provide them with a certificate of good standing for your license, I believe you are eligible. But please confirm this with ECFMG.

  • @theimg_au
    @theimg_au 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello!
    1. Can i apply to programs without ecfmg certification, with step scores and OET, as the original degree takes time in my country
    2. Can you please explain a pathway without an original degree, I mean the degree will take atleast 3 to 4 months after internship in my country
    Thankyou for your time.

    • @MuhammadJunaidAshraf
      @MuhammadJunaidAshraf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      1. Yes, you can apply.
      2. There is no pathway to get certified without your degree.

  • @drmodydr
    @drmodydr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i passed step 1 in jan 2015, step 2 in may 2016, OET , jan 2022, iam already have valid medical license, am i ready for ecfmg application ?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, you may apply to pathway 1 once ecfmg opens the application, once approved then you can apply for an ecfmg certification.

  • @chennaisuperkingsm69
    @chennaisuperkingsm69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I get my credentials verified even before taking steps?

  • @Kristian3895
    @Kristian3895 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the detailed information. I want to apply for the match season of 2022-2023 so I am doubtful about whether to follow a pathway now. Are the requirements changing for the next year?

    • @doctorsays1330
      @doctorsays1330  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It might be different as they added pathways for 2021 compared to 2020. You might want to wait for ecfmg to open pathways for the next match before applying.