Link VS The Tarnished - Who Would Win?

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  • In today’s video, I’ll be looking at the feats of the two most recent silent protags in gaming that’s been making some noise lately, the Tarnished from the Elden Ring Universe and Link from the Legend of Zelda franchise and comparing them to see who would come out on top. Does Link beat the entirety of the Elden Ring Pantheon? Does the Tarnished solo? Or is it closer than you think?
    SOURCES:
    Elden Ring In-Game Descriptions
    CGWorld Vol.286
    The Overture of Elden Ring
    A Link To The Past Strategy Guide
    Ocarina of Time Nintendo Strategy Guide
    Majora’s Mask Strategy Guide
    Hyrule Historia
    Legend of Zelda Encyclopedia
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    Link is the main protagonist in Nintendo’s “The Legend of Zelda” video game series. He is often depicted as a courageous hero who embarks on quests to rescue Princess Zelda and defeat the antagonist, Ganon, across not just era’s but also across other timelines while navigating the fantasy world of Hyrule.

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  • @powerscallop3596
    @powerscallop3596 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Rouge gotta hit us with the "NOOOOOOO" at the start of each vid

  • @KamiTenchi
    @KamiTenchi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I did not think The Tarnished was this powerful. He might be equal or slightly above Sora. Really Impressive.

  • @kin768
    @kin768 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Two quick points from the first couple minutes. 1. Link doesnt have to use the Fierce Deity mask to beat Majora, he scales to Majora in base then gets amped to be even higher above with the FD mask. 2. Demise shouldn't be counted when talking about threats Ganondorf is superior to since Hyrule hadnt yet been founded when Demise was around. Plus ganandorf is a reincarnation of Demises Curse, meaning it would still be Demise causing the threat

    • @thatrealawkwardguy
      @thatrealawkwardguy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you I was thinking the same thing

    • @cyrus8886
      @cyrus8886 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's Canonically confirmed in the historia that link used the firece deity mask to kill majora outside of gameplay

  • @Chris-gx1ei
    @Chris-gx1ei 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Even if the Triforce had to manifest itself, it obeys the one who *touched* it first, a single touch (and a balance of Courage, Power and Wisdom to prevent the split of it if you don't wanna work to unify it) grands you and ONLY you access to infinite power in the form of Omnipotent Wishes for as long as you live.
    Meaning contact with this object gives you the Potential of becomming (almost) equal to the Christian God.
    It is indeed possible for the Triforce to have multiple owners at once, this would prevent someone else of becomming Omnipotent if he has to kill those first who shared their wish with the Triforce, so if both somehow Touch it at the same time this technically evens both out (if it would be put against each other it might be interesting to see, since it's infinity vs infinity then)

  • @ToasterXD
    @ToasterXD 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Nah, I’d Win

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Nah, I’d Shatter The Elden Ring 🗣️

  • @trouble001
    @trouble001 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    In the framework of extended modal realism, David Lewis argued that all possible worlds exist concretely and independently. However, this raises the question of the nature of the relationships between these possible worlds. How do you envision the metaphysical connections or lack thereof between these worlds? Are there any overarching principles or mechanisms that govern their existence and interactions? Moreover, how might these connections impact the notion of identity across possible worlds, and does the theory provide a satisfactory account of causation and modality within and between these distinct realms of existence?

  • @Doommarine-sr8y
    @Doommarine-sr8y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Late to the video, but I also like to add that if someone wants to leave out cut content of the Miranda flowers, then you could use the golden order greatsword and Miquella/Radagon ring of light incantation as a way to give the tarnished speed of light feat, since the item description and even the title state that those things are made of light.

  • @Nurrlmao
    @Nurrlmao 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    once in a blue moon.....

  • @Goji-C
    @Goji-C 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Fire video bro

  • @brage456
    @brage456 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Question, can't link just seal the tarnished in the master sword?????

  • @kingkamcurry
    @kingkamcurry 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Rouge Gonna take another summer break after this one

  • @DRENIC10
    @DRENIC10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I didn't see the video yet. But Tarnished No Diff Link. Get Gud

  • @CH1C4N0444
    @CH1C4N0444 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Glad to see more From Software scaling 🙏🙏🙏

  • @saiyanofmemes1082
    @saiyanofmemes1082 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    A TH-camr who doesn’t downplay souls games or Link……SUB!

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I truly appreciate that, after seeing the general landscape of ER and Link scaling I felt like had to step in on some Thanos sh*t lol.

  • @weskintime4177
    @weskintime4177 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Also, could you possibly do a more “in depth” dive of Bloodborne scaling? I’m tired of people saying that it doesn’t even get to town level or sonic speeds. Plus it would allow me to point people towards this channel.

    • @riccard1n0
      @riccard1n0 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bloodborne would scale to complex multy via cosmology and Great Ones. With some bosses having space-time manipulation, reality bending, dimensional travel/ascension/transcendence/creation/destruction. The verse lack a bit in Speed (ftl via laser Attack) but if you use the comics (even if they are not Canon) you can scale it to inaccessible lvl of Speed via the Moon side Lake. Hunter have many weapons, moder/advanced tech, but not really something like Tarnished or Link (like elemental or conceptual weapons, magic or Attack). Hunter is very skilled in taking down Monster (since that's the purpose of Hunters). He can feel and see higher/lower dimensions (via Insight stats lorewise) so he have some kind of Cosmic/dimensional awarness. For AP, he would scale between Universal to complex multy, since Great Ones create whole higher dimensions. If you want, i can send you the Bloodborne cosmology scaling on Discord (to he honest, Bloodborne is mostly carried if not carried only by the Cosmology)

  • @kyronhoward9935
    @kyronhoward9935 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mazinger Z vs Getter Robo?

  • @xeyr0x.14
    @xeyr0x.14 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great vid! do a hunter vs tarnished pls

    • @riccard1n0
      @riccard1n0 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tarnished win tbh

    • @Doommarine-sr8y
      @Doommarine-sr8y 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Both character’s are close in terms of strength and attack potency, but the tarnished wins since they out hax the hunter in terms of abilities and have better/more concrete speed feats.

  • @kat-lego
    @kat-lego 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please do Mihawk vs the other warlords 🙏🏾

  • @mylespeel9263
    @mylespeel9263 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The tarnished eviscerates link

  • @theheadlessglen
    @theheadlessglen 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Need some more fromsoftware scaling, this was heat

  • @quezzy223
    @quezzy223 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s crazy that it only takes one random guy to make VSBW mods and their stance on Elden Ring being multi-solar at best look like clowns

  • @love_woomy6953
    @love_woomy6953 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Matching The Tarnished against child Link was kinda unfair and on top of that you gave him the full power of the Eldin ring. I feel like it would have been more fair if you used adult or teenage link as child link relies more on magic and other outside help rather than personal abilities. But I feel like hero of the wild vs The Tarnished would be extremely close but idk who’d win. Anyway cool video

    • @constantlyphil
      @constantlyphil 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah or skyward sword link bc full triforce

  • @weskintime4177
    @weskintime4177 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    W video

  • @chuvgb
    @chuvgb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    W - goro

  • @exwardd9629
    @exwardd9629 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Had me until it was Time instead of Wild, ngl

  • @AndrewTurner-h5e
    @AndrewTurner-h5e 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sekiro vs Ghost of Tsushima Verse

    • @riccard1n0
      @riccard1n0 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's just unfair, Sekiro win no diff

    • @kuro_kishi
      @kuro_kishi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think Sekiro vs Nioh-verse would make more sense. Ghosts of Tsushima, as much as I like the game (and my bro, Jin Sakai) is way too grounded.

  • @daemonkaoticoneutro
    @daemonkaoticoneutro 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Link from LTTP Is the most OP of all games and the one with more experience

  • @mr.krakoski1947
    @mr.krakoski1947 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    you are wrong the tarnished only released the death rune from its seal and does not control death or is immune to it or immortal

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      You’re like misconstruing what I said. For starters I said death isn’t even on the Elden ring in any of the endings when he ascends to “lord”. I mentioned it nonetheless to explain what wielding/brandishing the Elden Ring in general entails, maybe listen before commenting. Wielding/Brandishing the Elden Ring is control over the concepts that are governed by the runes, this is explicitly stated and I care less about your personal incredulity. He tanked the flames powered by the rune of death at point blank range in a non-interactive cutscene, something the player has no control over meaning the feat canonically happened and you can’t progress in the game at all without triggering that non-interactive cutscene. The Tarnished isn’t immortal? Yea you’re just coping in all honesty.

    • @riccard1n0
      @riccard1n0 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You can still scale him to destined death by Maliketh for three reason:
      1- Maliketh fought and won against the Gloamed eyes Queen, when She had Destined Death
      2- Destined Death is still not able to stop grace
      3- Blasfemus claw can stop Destined Death

  • @-HaitianSavage
    @-HaitianSavage 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Let's goooooooooooo, the goat with another upload
    Bleach is ass btw

    • @weskintime4177
      @weskintime4177 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah Bleach is fire

    • @Mint_Of_Leaf
      @Mint_Of_Leaf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s sad… kakazu solos😔

    • @Mint_Of_Leaf
      @Mint_Of_Leaf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@weskintime4177nah… you can’t see the truth😔

  • @InGodshands7
    @InGodshands7 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A laser or beam of light not hitting you doesn’t mean you’re light speed. The shooter just MISSED.

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      In this context that’s just an argument from ludonarrative dissonance. This kind of logic is atrocious and your using it to dismiss lightspeed scaling bc the constraints of the mechanics of a Miranda flower who happens to shoot beams of light or an enemy that can shoot lasers present it a certain way in the mechanics when the lore straight up says something else.
      It’s 2024 going on 2025, understand the limitations of video games for them to be balanced and playable, and to not use these limitations to suit your headcanon. Both of these statues and flowers are legit fodder in the grand scheme of things and this is your rebuttal lmao. It prolly would work against someone who doesn’t know the ins and outs of video game design.

  • @wetsocksxo
    @wetsocksxo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    great video!!! i’ve been looking for a competent powerscaler who does souls vs battles💯 you should do malenia vs madara or like sukuna vs elden ring type shit

  • @TheCreepyLantern
    @TheCreepyLantern 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    did you seriously use 'it doesn't turn to night time when in the farm/city" as proof the FARM FREEZES TIME AND NOT THAT IT@S JUST A GAME MECHANIC? ARE YOU MENTAL?

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ughh no? Maybe before attempting to sound smart actually listen to the video. Those words never came out my mouth like literally. I never even tried to correlate that in the video….stop projecting your personal incredulity onto me it’s annoying.

    • @Zenithzz
      @Zenithzz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheRogueGuyI feel for y’all TH-camrs in the scaling community bruh y’all gotta deal with comments like this that don’t even hold any relevance to the video. It’s just them typing and yapping for negativity for no logical reason in the comments

  • @MananSaini-h3q
    @MananSaini-h3q หลายเดือนก่อน

    Link wins this

  • @IMMA_MINER
    @IMMA_MINER 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Princess Zelda >>> Ranni

  • @justsimplestuff602
    @justsimplestuff602 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    thank you for having good elden ring scaling finally

  • @ZeldaMultiverseUnderrated
    @ZeldaMultiverseUnderrated 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Aw man, what a shame. When is Nintendo gonna make the Legend of Zelda series more OP featuring conceptual scaling?

    • @lilray2942
      @lilray2942 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      it has so much potential

  • @Bman_productions737
    @Bman_productions737 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If you think about it the fight sums up to a tie because both characters will come back in some way or another

  • @nikhilnayak3264
    @nikhilnayak3264 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Is the reason that Kratos vs Sekiro & Malenia vs Wolf became outdated was because:_
    Tanished having both Space-Time Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation could allow him to beat Kratos w/o the Flame of Frenzy due to the Kratos not showcasing such resistance except maybe the concept of fear through the concept of hope?
    Or is it a one sided stomp and the reason its outdated is because of the additional information
    As for Malenia vs Sekiro. The Stomp might have gotten so bad that even a Lowballed Malenia just one shots & blitzes wolf while GOR might kill him based on her presence due to SR?

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nah lol, I don’t think the Tarnished beats Kratos remotely, I also don’t think LOFF is outerversal anymore. The video is outdated because the information and meta’s I used were garbo for both combatants and a lot of scaling has changed for both of them respectively since. Kratos has dealt with CM besides hope and fear plus space-time manip in the Norse saga of games btw, but none of that actually matters if Kratos can just blitz the Tarnished and one-shot.
      Yes, Malenia dog walks the entire Sekiro verse. I said it’s outdated for that because the information I presented for Malenia is outdated as well but I will be doing Malenia Vs Madara as a collab soon going over her up to date meta so look forward to that!

    • @nikhilnayak3264
      @nikhilnayak3264 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheRogueGuy I see, Clears a lot. I cant wait to see the Malenia vs Madara collab.

  • @سلمانقتل
    @سلمانقتل 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good video👍 Sukuna VS The dark Lord Harry Potter versus jujitsu kaizen

  • @theheartofsouls738
    @theheartofsouls738 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Knowing The Tarnished can manipluate concepts by fighting is overkill. Link stands no chance unless he has the completed triforce.

    • @KeiTh0r
      @KeiTh0r 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I love Link I really do but the man gets washed like dirty laundry on a Sunday

  • @Nedum05
    @Nedum05 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How about Sora from kingdom hearts next

  • @Nedum05
    @Nedum05 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How about Sora from kingdom hearts next

  • @Abyss_8228
    @Abyss_8228 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Before even watching, Tarnished slams 🗣

  • @justinwilliams3392
    @justinwilliams3392 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro you still making videos in the future

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy  6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yea 💀, I promise I didn’t forget about y’all bro I just prioritize quality over quantity and the drawback of that is patience

  • @ivory867
    @ivory867 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good video its hard to find good scaling videos about souls characters

  • @Mint_Of_Leaf
    @Mint_Of_Leaf 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Never thought of link vs the tarnished, I just finished a tarnish scale too😅

    • @riccard1n0
      @riccard1n0 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Really? Can you share the scaling about the Tarnished? Really curious and trying to find new info/scale about him

  • @AudrionIrks
    @AudrionIrks 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got a new one.
    Why Bloodborne Hunter vs One Piece isn't close.
    I've had that fight in my head for sometime.

    • @riccard1n0
      @riccard1n0 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean it's not close at all, but tbh, i don't see the connection/reason of the fight

    • @AudrionIrks
      @AudrionIrks 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@riccard1n0 And you see any connection with this fight?

    • @riccard1n0
      @riccard1n0 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AudrionIrks yeah actually, many.
      1- Both Franchise are pretty much the opposite yet with many similarities in the genre (dark fantasy and fantasy)
      2- Both Franchise have Goty winners
      3- Both main protagonist are skilled in many type of combat (from magic, to close, ranged etc..)
      4- Both protagonist are quiet warriors with a Deep lore and story
      5- Both famous games (Botw and ER) are important open world wich changed the game industry

  • @lilray2942
    @lilray2942 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think link takes this the triforce alone makes him invincible he also has infinite magic and he can also turn into fierce deity link who can definitely blitz the tarnished

  • @Goddess-of-rot54
    @Goddess-of-rot54 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What happened to your other vids

  • @Tempest1018
    @Tempest1018 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    YESSSIRRR

  • @jason_Ft
    @jason_Ft 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Welp a tad late, but can I ask where you got the scans of rennala's arena? I'm somewhat relatively new to elden ring power scaling and cant find it?

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you can somehow join the discord (click the link in my description) I genuinely wouldn’t mind sharing that information bc it’s hard to access and something most of the community doesn’t really know exists.

    • @jason_Ft
      @jason_Ft 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@TheRogueGuy it looks like the link is invalid/has expired 🤷‍♂️

    • @TheRogueGuy
      @TheRogueGuy  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Try it now, just put a fresh link in the description 👍🏾

    • @jason_Ft
      @jason_Ft 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep ot worked, thanks a lot 🙏

  • @CarlosBlanco-n1k
    @CarlosBlanco-n1k 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Na you are wrong

    • @riccard1n0
      @riccard1n0 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nice arguments you got there