The insta looks better at first glance. better white balance, less noise. That comes at a cost though. The insta is super soft. the gopro is a lot more sharp and has much better detail. color correcting is pretty simple and denoising isn't that bad on your computer unless you are on a laptop from early 2010s. I would like to see a comparison of both being shot in RAW and color graded in post.
Thanks for the review! I wonder if denoising can be turned off on the Ace Pro. I think it overdoes it and the image loses fine details and looks rather soft, even more apparent during night dive shots.
It depends on what you want. We are in the field of action cameras. This is about good shots that deliver good images straight away, without having to bother with the correct settings beforehand (and possibly afterwards).
I think a really important point is that although the night time footage looked crap it was because it cranked the iso to get more detail. But the gopro has almost not information although it looks more realistic. What this means is that if you want the detail on the go pro you would add a dive light, which if you did the same to the insta360 it wouldn't have to crank the iso all the way up and you'd get a better image like the daytime footage. Similarly, you might be able to crank the iso up on the gopro but that can't be done underwater (adjusting a light source is alot easier) and again requires you to change settings. So although I disagree with the author that it's a better quality image, I think it's a far better default setup than the gopro. Especially when you are trying to capture memories and friends rather than beautiful photography, which the gopro was more aligned with during the night dive.
Thanks for the comparison! To me, the Ace Pros footage looks more appealing. I’ve used GoPros for a long time (starting with Hero3 Black), but the hero 10 was just disappointing in underwater scenarios (my only use case). Since I mainly shoot photos, did you take some and compared them?
I didn’t take many photos as I don’t normally in general. The ones I did take use the same kind of color correcting AI though so it was similar results imo. The Ace Pro lens is great and the megapixels are higher by a long shot (48 versus Hero 12 having 27 iirc), but I’m also not sure megapixels are THAT important for photos unless you’re printing when you get that high. I’m not super into the photo side so it’s hard 😅
I’m surprised! Thanks for the compliment. I was shocked that the GoPro had so little to show at night. Like, literally had people in front of me show up on the ace pro but not the GoPro. I’m excited to do more testing with video lights though too.
It would be really great to make a comparison to DJI action 4. DJI Action 4 is a really great underwater camera with an 18 m diving limit without a case and a dedicated white balance sensor. I went for the Insta360 for myself as a more versatile camera but who is the top camera for diving must be decided between DJI Action 4 and Insta360 Ace Pro. Gopro with a smaller sensor is a no-go for diving when each light beam (especially the red one) matters.
I don’t currently own an osmo action 4, but I’ve seen some comparisons and the night footage still seems to be slightly better on the Ace Pro. We’ll have to see what happens longer term and more and more people review them all!
@@CircleHScuba Agree. Night footage indeed looks better on Ista360 plus the stabilization during night is also better on Ace Pro. But white balance and colors underwater is a different competition. But thanks to you a see that Ace pro is actually better than GoPro for scuba diving
Great video. Very helpful in choosing the AcePro. Would you recommend using purevideo for both day and night diving or did you use regular video with the scuba option?
Wow it truly looks like i’m looking at a different scene/clip from another camera. But also is it just me or does the gopro’s image look more sharp? Still, I think the colour accuracy and exposure is enough to win me over as it saves time editing 😁 However, I was quite impressed with Olympus/OM’s TG series - I rented the TG-5 on my last dive trip and really liked what it produced especially with macro. Another spanner in the works and contender for underwater camera, especially it’s another world with point & shoots and it’s best to pair with trays, lights for video and better quality. Though I’d say that the compactness and lightweight nature is more of what i’m looking for just to capture memories underwater, macro might just be a nice to have 😅 Have you encountered other divers facing this dilemma and what were their thought process in deciding?
Great questions, points, etc haha. So first of all, others have said the GoPro footage may be sharper, and I’m not sure if that’s just a matter of difference in default settings or something specific with the hardware. As for point and shoots, the TG series does seem great for entry level pricing! I’ve seen the TG6 do some good work for sure, but it’s a different category of camera as well with manual controls and all of that versus a more simplified process with action cameras. When you add lights and a tray to either an action camera or a point and shoot you definitely get even better quality. If you’re looking to have more control over things and are comfortable with that, a manual control point and shoot can do better. It requires more work, constantly adjusting white balance, etc. But if you master it, you’ll probably get better outcomes. Some people get fed up with that level of manual control required though and put it on auto, in which I’m not sure it’s that much better than action cameras that are also on auto.
I haven’t had issues underwater with either personally but I know people talk about the GoPro overheating. I do shorter segments of 2-3 mins max though, I don’t just hit record and let it go for a full hour dive
@@CircleHScuba I actually never film for that long. Maximum 1min. But then I don't turn off the Gopro and then it overheats a lot which creates some fog inside the box :/ But honestly, I'm super tempted to try that Insta360 Ace Pro, it really looks amazing and without any color correction already delivers some very decent shots :)
Oh wow, with my GoPro I don’t have that issue. I leave it on but I don’t have that overheating issue. But I have heard people say that too so idk, it’s hard for me to judge. I’ve used a hero 9 and 12 and never had that problem personally though 😬
@@CircleHScuba I'm on Hero 11 Black. That may be why! Well, most likely, in November in Palau I'll try that Insta 360 Ace Pro to compare, can't wait :)
I'm new to cameras so this might be obvious but if you don't need the housing to film underwater why get it? other than protection, what's the point of the housing?
I can say anecdotally that I never had overheating issues in my testing so far with the Ace Pro, but my Hero 12 has overheated on me. My Hero 9 never overheated though. As for other sports, this channel is focused on diving so I probably won’t be doing it myself, however I’ve seen some awesome stuff in general here on TH-cam showing moto-vlogs, skiing, snowboarding, etc.
For this I left everything on factory default settings. I’ve been playing with stuff on my end right now. Last trip I did some 4K120, 4k60, and 4k30 with the active HDR. I usually leave most things on auto unless it’s a night dive and I have video lights, in which I set my white balance to my lights, but that depends on the diving I’m doing and what I plan to shoot. The rest I’m still doing more trial and error with but I don’t mind default settings mostly to be honest!
Honestly because I don’t own one, haha. Spending a few hundred dollars just for the test isn’t in my budget. However, I am planning on borrowing one from a friend sometime in the comings months to do a comparison!
I was told by insta360 it could actually mess with the auto color correction if you did use red filters. I gave them feedback that most underwater cameras have them available and they said it’s not needed. I haven’t used red filters with mine.
Ace says no and claims it will mess with the auto-correction, which I find suspect. It is a physics problem, the color simply does not exist and no matter how good the algorithm is, it needs to work harder to make assumptions. This is what leads to the softer output of the Ace video and clear over-sampling of other elements in the scene. You can see this clearly at 07:49, look at the detail of the water surface. Everything in the GoPro is higher fidelity.
I've only owned DSLRs and SLRs in my life, but finally feel the need to get a an action cam for the portability, ruggedness and underwater capabilities. After watching what feels like 100 videos at this point comparing the main three big hitters of action cams - the GoPro wins every shootout in terms of image quality. Almost everything else seems to be better on the Insta360 and DJI action cams, but damn - it's undeniable at this point. Look at the surface waves, the bubbles, the coral in the night shots, hell - anything in the distance! The footage from the Hero has more definition without looking too artificially over-sharp - whereas the Ace Pro is mushier and digital looking. Color is editable, loss of detail isn't. Now if only the GoPro's didn't overheat, the touchscreen was better, the battery lasted longer, etc. I think as always, I will fall in the dumb camp which will put up with all the shortcomings to get the best image. I fully agree though that many people don't care about any of the things I've said, if it means a camera won't work some of the time and there will be more editing in post.
@@CircleHScuba Of course, and for the record - it's not like we expect any of these action cams to put out high-end DSLR, mirrorless or cinema camera level quality footage. There are midgrade lenses that cost more than the Ace Pro, Hero, and Action put together! They all excel at being inexpensive, rugged tiny cameras for fun - and it's great that GoPro has serious competition to push the tech of all the brands. I'm excited to see how far they'll all go in the coming years.
Although I already had my mind made to purchase the Insta360 Ace Pro over the GoPro 12 before watching your video, you just made the decision even more simple. I do have a question in regards to the device. Have you tried using the Ace Pro with a Telesin 6" Dome Port as yet. I'm a beach photographer and I would love to use the Acepro to capture 50/50 shots. Again, I love how thorough this video was in comparison to the gopro 12. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the compliments, I’m glad you found the video useful! I haven’t tried any dome ports yet, though I know someone with the telesin dome port for the GoPro series and they had nice 50/50 shots. Best of luck!
Thank you very informative and in depth review which has helped me make a decision for this amazing camera which does so much as well as let us film our beloved underwater scenes and yes we should all protect our seas, rivers and natural waterholes.
Is there a way to adjust the white balance on the ace without colour grading, cause the skin tone looks very blue and at times not as clear and sharp as the go pro.
No I left everything at factory settings. I did a factory reset on my GoPro and Ace Pro both to make it like you just jump in the water after buying them, versus trying to get "perfect" settings on everything and doing a bunch of set up work.
Awesome review! Thank you for the simple review - I'm going the video light/tray route and will share my results. You can look for that sometime in February. Cheers!
I understand that there are two types of people using an action camera: those who don't know how or aren't looking to color grade their footage, and those who will take advantage of a logarithmic profile, staying away from any auto settings, AI ship, or Rec709 colors baked into the footage. I fall into the second category, and I believe a camera that can offer the most RAW available footage shall win, unless whoever is filming simply doesn't care about doing anything to their footage. Underwater filming can be tricky, and the only way you can maximize the final product is by having control over your settings and color grading in post! That being said, no latest camera or AI ship will be better than any of the most recent action cameras after a solid color grade.
I totally hear you and this is 10000000% my point in comparing them as well. I tried to make it clear in the. video but you said it way better, kudos for that, haha. My idea here is "okay I wanna film underwater while diving, let me grab an action cam because they're grab and go, point and shoot" I think once someone gets more into it, they look at setting manual settings, lighting, a tray to hold it all, floats, and then start looking at something like a TG6 as an upgrade, and then start looking at DSLR/Mirrorless and housings and cry as they buy a huge rig.....then they eventually get sad that the learning curve of full manual has "ruined" their footage so many times, they look at friends using something like a DiveVolk or Sealife housing for their iPhone and think "wow, the iPhone is getting better footage than my $10k+ rig" and eventually fold and stop lugging the big heavy camera rig and go back to a cell phone or action cam on auto, haha. For those of us that get more into it, yes, 100% full raw and manual with time taken to color grade and correct is going to beat an AI (for now, heck we'll see what happens with the pace that AI is improving). Thanks for understanding the perspective, and also sharing yours! I think it's really important to see the two sides of it!
@11:20 A very interesting comparison especially here at night time. The Insta360 Ace Pro does a better job of picking up details where there is very little light (You can actually see the divers), but the GoPro Hero 12 does a better job of showing more details in the areas that are lit up well by the torches. By comparison the details look mushy in the areas where the torches are shining for the Ace Pro
Thanks for this video, is what I whaiting for. I m a Gopro owners like you till the 9, after I was waiting for a real great change.... the new Ista Ace pro is the real upgrade. Now I want to ask a new question, what do you think about other camera like Olympus or Ricoh and similar? They make for sure better Macro, but for other scene?
I haven’t tried the Ricoh. Olympus TG6 is pretty good though for a camera that you can upgrade a bit over time. I wouldn’t really compare it to action cameras as they are quite different. The TG6 is something you’ll want to get to have full manual controls where you can’t use manual controls on action cameras to change settings underwater. A TG6 is more of a starter going into the DSLR giant rig route.
I haven’t looked for one myself yet, but I am sure 3rd party accessories will start coming out more and more as the model gains traction. It’s brand new and a slightly different shape than GoPro and DJI so they’ll have to make new molds and all that when making new accessories.
Thomas... great review. Were you in the Aqua Vison for all dives (day and night) and does Aqua Vision include PureVideo in the setting? Also, Insta360 claims their dive housing has a Glass lens vice a plastic lens like the other housings. Is that true and do you think it made a difference. All that said, I am definitely getting one!
Hey Robb! First, thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed the review! AquaVision is part of the AI color correcting and yes, that was in all of the Ace Pro clips. PureVideo is a shooting mode that I used on the night footage. It’s a video mode but has a slightly different algorithm (from my understanding) that enhances low light environment image quality. The AI chip onboard the camera does denoising and color correcting as it saves to the microSD card regardless of the video mode as far as I know however, it’s just that the PureVideo mode is specifically designed for low light. The housing does have a glass lens and maybe it’s better than plastic, but I don’t think I ever noticed a difference because I don’t have a plastic lens to try. Like, the ace pro doesn’t fit in the GoPro housing, and vice versa, so I couldn’t try the same image in plastic vs glass. I would assume glass is slightly better, but I’m not sure how much that matters if I’m totally honest. It probably does? 😅 Get one before the holiday promo ends! The links in the description go to their site and the promotions give you extras you won’t get on Amazon.
@@CircleHScuba thanks. Insta360 claims the glass provides better transparency than the plastic, which would seem to make sense. Can't wait to get my hands on one.
@robbchadwick2793 right I’m not sure if it’s noticeable to the naked eye or more marketing, but it does make sense that the glass would be a better picture, and I can confirm their housing does have glass
While I think some shots from the Insta360 are over-sharpened, and I don't mind that green tint from the GoPro (which is probably closer to the real situation) I think you have made a compelling case for the Insta360. I have a Hero 9(!) which serves me well, but I think I am going to finally upgrade to the Insta360. Thank you for the video.
Hi, I think it's the fourth video of yours I've seen by just trying to find what I'm looking for....so there must be time to suscribe XD The one thing I'm missing from your video is something I use all the time while diving: the instant recording by pushing one button even when it is switched off that all GoPro have. Does The Insta360 has it as well??
You want to double check the description on the bundle but I don’t think a selfie stick comes with the splash bundle. You hey the dive case and a float though. I used the smaller of their selfie sticks as I didn’t need the full 2 meter one for this use case
Do you know setting for diving, I just got my insta360 and im diving tomorrow, do you know if i should record on pure video or normal and 8k or 4k and other things like that?
I am currently doing 4K60 for my needs and leaving most other things at default values. Still working on finding the “perfect” settings for myself. I use PureVideo during night dives or low light dives.
Well 8k is higher resolution but huge file size and likely uses the battery a bit faster. I can't edit 8k on my computer so I don't even mess with it. Anything above 60 fps allows you to do more slow motion, but that's not something I do much with to begin with.
I feel like the gopro is more sharp The color on insta is more beautiful I can't say who is better, but I would choose the gopro and edit afterwards For ppl who is not editing, the ace pro should be good for majority
Thanks. This was very helpful. So i've ruled gopro out now im just torn between the x3 and ace pro. So if it's under 10ft like snorkeling i dont need any housing? I was going to be cautious and get one anyway but i think you just reassured me that im without it for snorkeling.
Honestly it may have been a fluke. Action cameras can’t really do macro shots unless you get special lenses, and even then they are hit or miss. The fixed focal length on action cameras makes it really tough to do anything up close
6:49 I think GoPro's footage is much clearer and sharper and able to collect a lot of details. As you can see at this point of the video. You can clearly see the creases on his clothes on left hand and see those bubbles on his hairs. Insta is missing all those details. Colours can be corrected in one go as per personal preferences but once you lose the details you can hardly recover them.
I didn’t use one at all. I don’t know if it’s needed for most use cases, but if you did use one I imagine it would still be fine and probably help some more with the color correction. You probably won’t find one just yet since it’s a new camera and the housing is different than the GoPro housing
Interested to know how much better will the ace pro perform in dark dives with pure video mode, as you can tell some details are lost in the lighted areas vs gopro
Great video. I so wanted the 360 Ace Pro and looked at several TH-cam videos, read so much about the Ace Pro compared it to the GoPro12 and I nearly ordered one. I bit the bullet and ordered the GoPro12. I was nervous about the Ace Pro's non removable lens, the flip up screen - how safe it was, not having 10bit colour and the bigger and heavier form factor of the Ace Pro. I have had Gopros before and they have always been very solid and had their faults, but they have so much experience in this field and the Ace Pro is a newcomer.
I’m glad you found the video useful! They’re both great cameras and I mean, I used GoPro forever. I am switching to the Ace Pro for now and am going to see how it goes with heavy use. I’ll keep my GoPros for now, but may eventually phase them out. We’ll see how the long term works! I think Insta360 put a very good showing and GoPro needs to start innovating to stay relevant.
I actually haven’t seen any yet but I haven’t looked too hard either. Nothing in the official insta360 store right now that I’ve seen, but there may be third party options. I didn’t use a filter on either camera in the clips in this video though, for reference.
@@CircleHScuba Just thought I'd ask as I'm a pretty avid scuba diver. I'm currently using an Olympus Tough TG-5 and I'm looking for an easy to use system but have had issues deciding on what camera to use next. If this camera is capable of using AI to autocorrect colour at different depths, it might be worth it to give it a shot. But how do you switch between video and picture modes while the camera is underwater in the housing?
Totally understand that! You hit the power/mode button on the side to switch between modes (video, photo, etc). Similar to other action cameras in this regard 🤙
@MrJohnnybravo141 not through the housing, that’s true of any of the action cameras. Some, like this, can be used at various depths without the housing and the touchscreen sometimes works (in my experience)
From your comparison, I think it's pretty obvious that Gopro did better at color details probably because its 10-bits depth. Ace Pro did make the scene more "visible" but also "blurred" as the cost. So I won't say Ace Pro is clearly winning here. Ace Pro is amazing, I think it's better than Gopro overall, but not here.
I think it can depend on what you’re going for truthfully, and also remember that this is all default out the box with no post editing. 10 bit for GoPro only really helps if you’re editing footing and color grading and correcting. Sharpness I believe is high on GoPro’s default (I’d have to double check) and isn’t on Ace Pro. I think my next tests personally are going to be picking my “best settings” for each and then doing another head to head, with my full tray and lights rig, etc. For an out of the box experience, I think people would find the Ace Pro’s visuals more appealing. For a videographer looking to edit footage and just take the raw out of the box, they may be able to save some color correcting in post and get more from defaults in the GoPro. Both are great, I’ve used GoPro forever, but I’m leaning more and more toward the Ace Pro lately. Thanks for your comment!
@@CircleHScuba Yeah I'm the type that edits videos and photos, so I care more about potential than convenience. I'm not sure what you actually saw in your night diving, but in my experience, I could barely see nothing but lights from torches just like your Gopro shows (Gopro is slightly too dark but Ace Pro is absolutely too bright). The darkness is why I love night diving because it's exciting haha. So if I use Ace Pro, I may want to edit the video to make it more close to Gopro. But your "default test" is surely important too. Looking forward to your further test!
For my night dives, my eyes adjust pretty quickly and I see close-ish to what the Ace Pro shows. For example in one clip there was a diver maybe 1-2m (3-6ft) in front of me. On GoPro you could MAYBE see an outline if your looking very close, on Ace Pro you can actually see someone. In real life, I could see them because my eyes adjusted to the dark. Regardless, I definitely hear your points and that’s why in my future testing, I want to dial in the best settings I can for each camera, then work with a tray that has my video lights, etc haha.
During the daytime shooting, which camera would you say is more true to color? I have the Ace Pro, and the sky is always more blue than it really is. On sunny days, I actually prefer the color and picture quality of the Hero 12. In low light conditions is where the Ace Pro shines for me.
I actually prefer the colors in the Ace Pro. Out of the box it can be a bit saturated sometimes, but you can change video mode settings and styles and get that dialed in if you’re not a huge fan of the defaults. Similar to the GoPro in that you can change color profiles and such, I think the colors look pretty great out of camera on the Ace Pro. Possibly better. If you’re going to go heavy into editing, you may want the 10 bit versus 8 bit on the GoPro Hero 12, but the difference is only something people will notice when shooting in very specific modes and then doing heavy color correcting and grading imo. The average person wouldn’t notice a difference.
If you are at 10 meters or less you can use the flip up screen outside of the dive housing. At 10 meters or deeper within the housing, it works like any other camera where you turn it around on the selfie stick and take the photo. However you can use gesture controls to start and stop recording or take a photo so you don’t have to hit the button.
@anatoliidudko7029 it does! It’s getting better with software updates, and I’ve had some times where I had to try a few times, but it definitely does work for photos and video! 🎉
Thanks for the nice video! The Ace Pro looks great, but in this comparison the Gopro seems to be sharper in the details. What's your thoughts on this? Maybe Ace pro has settings to increase the detail sharpness?
Both cameras do have sharpness settings you can adjust. I think the GoPro was on high and the Ace Pro medium. Usually I turn the GoPro down to medium too because I don’t like the overly sharp image. It’s not natural looking imo. People like the folks at backscatter have settings guides that also say it’s too sharp and should be turned down 🤷♂️ It may be more of a preference thing though.
@@CircleHScuba Looking forward to take it snorkling in the summer as well. For work, it seems I might have to get an add-on for closeups of products I shoot.
Partially shame that they repeated the same mounting. It is annoying as it doesn't allow a quick remount. Maybe less so important on the diving but really great to have on other sports. I said partially as many accessories use this crapy mounting so easier to find what you need.
Ah you mean on the housing itself? I agree, I wish it was the “magnet” latch mount that’s available on the camera, but as you said at least it’s a standard mount that has a lot of accessories that work with it on day 1.
Would be a much more fair comparison if you turned the auto correcting off on the Insta360. Obviously the color corrected, sharpened, and de-nailed footage will look better overall. The footage out of the GoPro looks far clearer and sharper and clearly has more dynamic range than the Insta360 and given a fair shake with some color correcting and grading would almost certainly look better. Turn all the gimmicks off and test it again, this isn’t a fair comparison.
If you listened to the start, I didn’t turn anything on at all. I pulled the camera out, put it in the housing, recorded, transferred to their app and then air dropped to my Mac and threw it in the timeline. Same thing for GoPro. Idk how to prove that other than asking that you trust me, but it’s alright that you don’t. It’s the raw footage with no settings changed or manual color correcting, manual denoising, etc. literally just what the cameras give on auto on default settings out of the box.
thanks for review, around the 7:21 mark it appears the de noiser is picking up the school of fish behind you as noise and is trying to fix, or is that a compression artifact? I have had ai video software do that with fish and current ripples before. How is the overheating with acepro, (preferably at 4k60) my gopro 12 in t-housing with digipower can only last about 40-45 minutes before overheating, does ace pro have that beat? thanks for the night dive footage, im looking at the ace pro for UV shooting on reefs since the gopro 12 struggles with that.
I’m not sure to be honest on the compression, I’d have to look and I’m actually on a trip right now with poor wifi. Overall I haven’t had overheating issues at all so far, but the GoPro 12 had that issue for me too. My GoPro 9 never overheated though and I used it for years. I haven’t done UV light stuff yet at all but I want to!
@@CircleHScuba thanks for reply, and safe travels, when you start UV, dont make my mistakes, get custom lights at 365nm, dont waste money and time on those torchs. cheers!!
Great comparison video!!! Very helpful and informative. On a completely unrelated note, is anyone interested in a gently used GoPro Hero 10 with a shload of accessories?!?!?! 😂
For sure, and you lose light too unfortunately. It’s a trade off, I have backscatter filters (the flip filter) and it’s a constant struggle tbh to make sure I’m getting enough light so it’s not so dark because of the lens. That said, this was intended for someone jumping in to capture moments and not necessarily want to spend sometimes hundreds more on filters, lights, a tray, etc. That’s why I didn’t do anything with extras in this one 🤙
@Thomas, hello from SoCal, come out and dive the channel island kelp forests with us. Is there any chance of you doing a SeaLife Micro 3.0 review? I mainly shoot stills and use the SeaLife with the Sea Dragon 3000F light. Curious if you have any experience/opinions regarding the SeaLife or could do a review. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the invite! The kelp forests are definitely something I want to experience some time! I’ll see if I can get my hands on a sea life micro 3.0 and do a review. Do you mean in comparison to action cameras or just a review more generally?
Thomas thanks for the quick response. I’d say primarily just a general review, especially regarding shooting stills. While the SeaLife 3.0 does 4k video, I don’t think it can compete with the go pro etc. in the video capabilities, so in addition I would be interested in a comparison of still photography. Yes the Kelp forests are something to experience, just June thru December though, unless you want to dry suit which I don’t do. My dive buddy is a 30 year SoCal dive instructor veteran, let me know if you’re ever headed out and we’ll all get on a charter together.
Will do for sure, and dry suits don’t bother me the slightest 😎 I’ll see if I can get my shop to loan me a camera sometime in the next couple of months!
👍😎🇵🇭🤿! So there is a chance for me to become a better photographer under the water 🤣! I have always admitted I am terrible at scuba or any photography and I still have and use a Go Pro 7 or 8 I just simply forgot which one. Thanks Thomas I am going to look into the Ace Pro and you never know maybe I might do better 🤔🤣! Keep up the amazing work 👍!
I am smiling. I opted for the Ace Pro for other reasons. This is just icing on the cake. I needed a good action camera for my video work and for me, the choice was obvious in the bang for your buck in capabilities. I have seen some great videos out of the Ace Pro that is just simply amazing. The biggest plus is the low-light capabilities. Thanks for a really well-thought-out and conducted comparison.
Thanks Chris, glad you found it useful and I appreciate the compliment! Let me know how you’re using the Ace Pro and how you’re liking it! I really don’t know if I’ll use my GoPros at all now which is kind of sad, but I mean, you can’t argue with the results 🤷♂️
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! So I have a different video showing the Ace Pro without the dive housing here: th-cam.com/video/I0mPNjoTdXI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jYizpGnIlzJYJ2nt Without the housing you can take selfies super easily with the flip up screen. With the housing the screen can’t flip up, so you take selfies like you would with any action camera. The one difference is you can use gesture control to take the photo so you don’t have to hit the button then rush to position the camera. Just put up a peace sign and it’ll trigger the photo.
GoPro looks MUCH more crisp in the night footage, but yes scene is lighted much less. Insta is rather bland and wiped out. Im not sure whether it is a good tradeoff - with Insta yes you get the idea how was it underwater but it is equally unusuable.
I honestly don’t think it’s unusable. At default settings for both with no video lights, I was pretty impressed how much light was captured. I’m curious how my further testing will go when I grab my tray, video lights, etc. For this video I was trying to approach it as a more novice that just wants to capture moments underwater. From that regard, they may not have extra lights, a tray, filters, or even know what settings to use outside of default auto settings. That’s what we’re seeing here
I can see more details in the Gopro footage. Personally would prefer to color correct it than get less details. I would like to see DJI action 4 which has bigger sensor or maybe even DJI Osmo 3 which has gimbal.
I’m not sure I agree on the detail part. I don’t own the action 4 currently, but for the osmo 3 with the gimbal doesn’t work underwater at all so it’s not really a good comparison. On land, sure, but not for diving?
@@CircleHScubaThanks, I'll took after that. At what GoPro version does the quality become noticeably better, and are there any significant upgrades throughout its evolution?"
Are you using PureVideo mode? Awesome review and this is exactly why I bought my Ace Pro for, can't wait to get mine underwater, January 18th can't come any sooner. The color is night and day out of the camera and why it's nice NOT to have to color grade to make it "better" after. A few people were complaining about the 'flickering' in the Ace Pro during camera movement, 7:30 take a close look at the GoPro water behind, who's the one that's flickering? lol
Hey! Thanks and I’m excited for you to get your Ace Pro too!! I used PureVideo in the night footage with default settings. Just changed to PureVideo mode but didn’t touch anything otherwise. The one where my gf (diver in white mask) is in front of me and she’s basically invisible on the GoPro footage BLEW ME AWAY!!! I literally couldn’t believe the entire person just disappeared basically in the GoPro footage 😱
@@CircleHScuba So that's why Ace Pro lost some details and sharpness due to heavy noise reduction in PureVideo mode. But yeah, GoPro doesn't look good in this comparison anyway.
With good lighting GoPro kept the details where they are, and Ace Pro simply colored the picture into humanity’s favorite )) I’m sure that in GoPro’s post-processing it will be possible to color it the same way, but on Ace Pro the details are lost forever. Yes, when it's dark, the Go Pro looks worse overall. But where there is an image, it is better and more detailed. Either it compresses TH-cam, but after the video, I prefer Go Pro, because when the sun goes down, I go to bed. If seriosly, it looks like Ace Pro have an issue with HDR....
10bit matters more if you edit for sure. I definitely was showing more for an amateur wanting to capture memories. So many people just post raw video to Facebook and such and it’s never color corrected or anything. More advanced features need more tweaking and editing and may or may not result in better footage based on how it was captured of course, but the skill of someone afterwards too because you can absolutely screw up a photo and video with poor color grading/correcting. I will be exploring the comparison more myself since I primarily only used GoPro for footage you see underwater on this channel up until I got an Ace Pro. But my use case for the best quality footage I can possibly get isn’t a normal use case. If you want good quality, lose the action camera and get a DSLR, housing, lights, start editing footage without using auto settings at time of capture, etc. I think it’s a use case difference
I would not buy either of them now and rather wait for DJi Osmo Action 5 (Pro),, which supposed to be with 1" sensor and the brain from DJI Osmo Pocket 3.
I don't agree with the conclusion of the author. For me, an image from GoPro looks more accurate. The image on Insta360 is blueish, and on GoPro is greenish. The true color is somewhere in the middle, but I like more the colors on GoPro. And what I didn't expect, that's even on night video, the image on GoPro looks nicer and sharper, then on Insta.
Totally agree! If the ace wasn't so blue it would be great. His skin looks totally off colour underwater and the go pro still looks sharper and higher quality even in low light. Both seem to have their pros but definitely not and says choice
I honestly think that if we want to see better at night with a camera, we won't be able to find anything better anyway, plus he also says that all settings were on automatic So I think you can also get those natural colors and sharpness in the settings
Nice video! Have you tried the "zoom" option with Insta Ace that keeps same quality? I think that might be awesome under water (dont know if its easy to use tbh)
I haven’t tried the zoom underwater actually since you double tap the screen to do it, and I didn’t try that out of the housing yet but I don’t think the touch screen works SUPER well underwater in my last tests. I have tried it on land though and it’s exactly as advertised. I’ve seen other videos explain it better than I will, but it has to do with how pixels are grouped to make the 4K video feed on Ace Pro vs the Osmo Action 4 or Hero 12, and Insta360 does it better in a way that makes it lossless.
Definitely, zoom will not work at all. You can't use a touch screen underwater. You want to block the screen and hope it will not mess up while you diving
Digital zoom without quality loss yes. Digital zoom in most cameras results in quality loss, but the way insta360 does it on the Ace Pro is supposed to prevent that. Other videos I’ve seen detail the “how” of that more. 2x zoom isn’t going to help much with macro in general though imo as you’d want more zoom and a better focal distance still.
Imo the gopro is the big winner, the image is a lot more crispy and real, the ace pro is not sharp and to soft. Ace pro is very blue and you look like fluo stick. Check the bubbles in your hair. In darker enviroment the ace pro is more bright but not sharp or detailed at all and very digital. The darker image of the gopro is better quality, it is a lot darker, but with the correct light you will see that the image of the gopro is a lot better. For me the gorpo is the camera to go, just put a light on it and you will see it beats the ace pro by far. watch this video on big screen to see the difference
I think if settings were tweaked on both (they were both on default), a tray with good lights was put on, they would be more similar and/or the ace pro would win due to the software and lens, but time will tell! For out of the box, someone that isn’t going to fork out more money on lights, and doesn’t want to learn how to color correct, the ace pro did better. Depends on the use case and personally I’m excited to do more testing as the water warms a little more and tweak settings until I figure out the best setup for each.
@@CircleHScuba but still, if you check details, the gopro is the clear winner, darker but more natural. The acepro is very artificial. Zverybody is stoked on the acepro, but still the gopro is the better image quality.
@krissutherland5426 I’m saying it may be a matter of settings though. ISO alone could bring more detail (at the cost of noise if it’s too high), but they were both set to auto. Time will tell!
I like the underwater color the ace pro does. However, actually the low light performance made me get the GoPro 12. Even though the picture is darker over all there are just a ton more details visible with the GoPro. The Ace Pro night videos look extremely cheap, although brighter. I dive In and around Ireland so low light with a proper light is my main activity.
Hi Thank so much for sharing your experience... I'm looking forward to taking my acepro (and the x3) to tiger beach in 2024! I'm a long time gopro user as well, and I feel ya'! I know you said you used default settings.. I presume the dive preset 4k/60fps? or would you recommend 4k/30fps with the HDR for underwater? ( depth about 30ft.) I probably could get away with either. But was curious if you had any thoughts on that.
Insta360 sponsored this one, yup! But I used some of their stuff before and enjoy their cameras regardless. I think both cameras are great but for low light especially, insta360 blew GoPro out of the water (pun intended)
I think the ace pro footage is more pleasing with zero edits. If I set both to the best settings possible instead of defaults, color corrected everything, etc then the GoPro may beat it out but it’s hard to say. Also, most people don’t edit footage to that extent unless they’re TH-camrs
Or i can record in 10bit GP and see all what i cant see in first look. Or at least something 😅. But for auto mode insta obviously better. BUT A resolution or video quality worst than in GP, GP some kind of true resolution no interpolated, at least so cheap like in Insta. Its a very big problem.. for me Besides. If your hands are full, you are climbing a rock or holding a bicycle’s handlebar. You can use voice control in GP Aaaaand you can change the bitrate up to 200. More than other action cams 🙂
Voice control and gesture control exists on the Ace Pro just fyi. The 10bit part for sure is on GoPro Hero 12, not the Ace Pro, but like you said that requires extra editing to really use properly which a lot of people buying action cameras aren’t doing. GoPro needs to innovate more for me to want to keep using them. I’ve used them for so long and at this point they’ve just stopped innovating for many models now it seems and it’s kind of sad. I’m glad insta360 is providing more competition, hopefully it means the market overall will get better since there’s more competitors now.
I paid for all of my GoPros, and I understand if you feel that way. That’s why I disclose sponsorship. I hope my audience can trust me at this point but I also know when it comes to image quality, sometimes personal preference is there
Many thanks! It's sad the GoPro lack on innovation may be the downfall of the company. Like you, I owned the Hero 4, 5, 7, and 9. But, I own a Insta360 x3 and love the innovation that Insta360 has. Their AI is a great feature to have. It's a fun camera to use. I have a dive trip planned to NAD Lembeh in July. It looks like the Insta360 will need to accompany me.
I think the X3 and Ace Pro combined make the best options for divers right now. I actually will have a video covering the X3 with their new invisible dive case coming probably in January, and there are some really epic shots I got there too.
The so-called "AI chip" is only working when your FPS is below 60. No "AI chip" function for 8k footage too. So the best you can do is 4k 60fps if you want the "AI Chip". As for shooting close subject, GoPro got a better minimum focus. If you have a macro lens, it will help better and let you go very close to the subject. However, acepro still needs to keep a distance at least 8-10cm from the subject. Otherwise you will be out of focus.
I think any action camera has bad focal range. Lenses can help but they’re still not the best unfortunately. It starts to push the limit of what action cameras can do and I’d start recommending another camera if people wanted to really look at macro shooting.
Gopro looks way better look at your and the person's in the backgrounds greyish ghoulish like youse just hopped out of your coffins and took a dive skin? Also there's a colour shift on your face This video just confirms there's a huge colour shift problem that needs to be fixed asap Please tell Insta 360 to contact I ain't scared to tell em what I really think?
I think the color shifts happen more in GoPro honestly 🤷♂️ Definitely feel free to reach out to Insta360 support though if you have feedback, they’d be happy to have it I’m sure. GoPro too for that matter :)
@@CircleHScuba no way and I don't even have one Maybe if they fix colour shift fault that even happened on a rug of all things in another TH-camrs review
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The insta looks better at first glance. better white balance, less noise. That comes at a cost though. The insta is super soft. the gopro is a lot more sharp and has much better detail. color correcting is pretty simple and denoising isn't that bad on your computer unless you are on a laptop from early 2010s. I would like to see a comparison of both being shot in RAW and color graded in post.
Thanks for the review! I wonder if denoising can be turned off on the Ace Pro. I think it overdoes it and the image loses fine details and looks rather soft, even more apparent during night dive shots.
It depends on what you want. We are in the field of action cameras. This is about good shots that deliver good images straight away, without having to bother with the correct settings beforehand (and possibly afterwards).
Agreed
I think a really important point is that although the night time footage looked crap it was because it cranked the iso to get more detail.
But the gopro has almost not information although it looks more realistic. What this means is that if you want the detail on the go pro you would add a dive light, which if you did the same to the insta360 it wouldn't have to crank the iso all the way up and you'd get a better image like the daytime footage.
Similarly, you might be able to crank the iso up on the gopro but that can't be done underwater (adjusting a light source is alot easier) and again requires you to change settings.
So although I disagree with the author that it's a better quality image, I think it's a far better default setup than the gopro. Especially when you are trying to capture memories and friends rather than beautiful photography, which the gopro was more aligned with during the night dive.
I was waiting for an underwater test for both. Good thorough review though.
Thanks! Glad you found my video! Haha
Thanks for the comparison! To me, the Ace Pros footage looks more appealing. I’ve used GoPros for a long time (starting with Hero3 Black), but the hero 10 was just disappointing in underwater scenarios (my only use case).
Since I mainly shoot photos, did you take some and compared them?
I didn’t take many photos as I don’t normally in general. The ones I did take use the same kind of color correcting AI though so it was similar results imo. The Ace Pro lens is great and the megapixels are higher by a long shot (48 versus Hero 12 having 27 iirc), but I’m also not sure megapixels are THAT important for photos unless you’re printing when you get that high. I’m not super into the photo side so it’s hard 😅
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I like the GoPro's shot during night time better. looks way more realistic and clear. More expensive looking shot than the Ace Pro's. Nice review man
I’m surprised! Thanks for the compliment.
I was shocked that the GoPro had so little to show at night. Like, literally had people in front of me show up on the ace pro but not the GoPro. I’m excited to do more testing with video lights though too.
cuz the go pro won't crank the footage. ang so maybe it already reached the limit of the exposure settings.
It would be really great to make a comparison to DJI action 4. DJI Action 4 is a really great underwater camera with an 18 m diving limit without a case and a dedicated white balance sensor. I went for the Insta360 for myself as a more versatile camera but who is the top camera for diving must be decided between DJI Action 4 and Insta360 Ace Pro. Gopro with a smaller sensor is a no-go for diving when each light beam (especially the red one) matters.
I don’t currently own an osmo action 4, but I’ve seen some comparisons and the night footage still seems to be slightly better on the Ace Pro.
We’ll have to see what happens longer term and more and more people review them all!
@@CircleHScuba Agree. Night footage indeed looks better on Ista360 plus the stabilization during night is also better on Ace Pro. But white balance and colors underwater is a different competition. But thanks to you a see that Ace pro is actually better than GoPro for scuba diving
Great video. Very helpful in choosing the AcePro. Would you recommend using purevideo for both day and night diving or did you use regular video with the scuba option?
I just used regular video unless it was low light, where I switched to PureVideo. Didn’t try PureVideo during the day but it would be a good test!
Wow it truly looks like i’m looking at a different scene/clip from another camera. But also is it just me or does the gopro’s image look more sharp? Still, I think the colour accuracy and exposure is enough to win me over as it saves time editing 😁
However, I was quite impressed with Olympus/OM’s TG series - I rented the TG-5 on my last dive trip and really liked what it produced especially with macro. Another spanner in the works and contender for underwater camera, especially it’s another world with point & shoots and it’s best to pair with trays, lights for video and better quality. Though I’d say that the compactness and lightweight nature is more of what i’m looking for just to capture memories underwater, macro might just be a nice to have 😅
Have you encountered other divers facing this dilemma and what were their thought process in deciding?
Great questions, points, etc haha.
So first of all, others have said the GoPro footage may be sharper, and I’m not sure if that’s just a matter of difference in default settings or something specific with the hardware.
As for point and shoots, the TG series does seem great for entry level pricing! I’ve seen the TG6 do some good work for sure, but it’s a different category of camera as well with manual controls and all of that versus a more simplified process with action cameras. When you add lights and a tray to either an action camera or a point and shoot you definitely get even better quality.
If you’re looking to have more control over things and are comfortable with that, a manual control point and shoot can do better. It requires more work, constantly adjusting white balance, etc. But if you master it, you’ll probably get better outcomes. Some people get fed up with that level of manual control required though and put it on auto, in which I’m not sure it’s that much better than action cameras that are also on auto.
Thought you did a very fair test. Completely agree with your results.
Thanks Mac! Definitely tried, and definitely found my new winner!
Thanks, great video! What about the overheating of the Ace Pro when compared to GoPro?
I haven’t had issues underwater with either personally but I know people talk about the GoPro overheating. I do shorter segments of 2-3 mins max though, I don’t just hit record and let it go for a full hour dive
@@CircleHScuba I actually never film for that long. Maximum 1min. But then I don't turn off the Gopro and then it overheats a lot which creates some fog inside the box :/ But honestly, I'm super tempted to try that Insta360 Ace Pro, it really looks amazing and without any color correction already delivers some very decent shots :)
Oh wow, with my GoPro I don’t have that issue. I leave it on but I don’t have that overheating issue.
But I have heard people say that too so idk, it’s hard for me to judge. I’ve used a hero 9 and 12 and never had that problem personally though 😬
@@CircleHScuba I'm on Hero 11 Black. That may be why! Well, most likely, in November in Palau I'll try that Insta 360 Ace Pro to compare, can't wait :)
@dreamytravels1 let me know how it goes, sounds like an awesome trip!
I'm new to cameras so this might be obvious but if you don't need the housing to film underwater why get it? other than protection, what's the point of the housing?
Not a dumb question! You need housing for using them underwater past a certain depth. Waterproof only goes to a certain depth rating.
I would like to see also comparisons in other sports with use of image stabilisation, if overheating also exists etc.
I can say anecdotally that I never had overheating issues in my testing so far with the Ace Pro, but my Hero 12 has overheated on me. My Hero 9 never overheated though.
As for other sports, this channel is focused on diving so I probably won’t be doing it myself, however I’ve seen some awesome stuff in general here on TH-cam showing moto-vlogs, skiing, snowboarding, etc.
What settings do you use when diving with the Ace Pro?
For this I left everything on factory default settings.
I’ve been playing with stuff on my end right now. Last trip I did some 4K120, 4k60, and 4k30 with the active HDR.
I usually leave most things on auto unless it’s a night dive and I have video lights, in which I set my white balance to my lights, but that depends on the diving I’m doing and what I plan to shoot.
The rest I’m still doing more trial and error with but I don’t mind default settings mostly to be honest!
Hey brother thanks for the great video. Just wanted to ask can I use the GoPro 10 case for the 12?
Yes you can
Why is the dji action 4 not tested at the same time?
And would you make a video with all 3 or ace pro vs action 4?
Honestly because I don’t own one, haha. Spending a few hundred dollars just for the test isn’t in my budget.
However, I am planning on borrowing one from a friend sometime in the comings months to do a comparison!
With that borrowing, I may be able to also do all 3 in the same video, or may make it its own dedicated video. Could be fun!
do you still need to put red filters for the ace pro?
I was told by insta360 it could actually mess with the auto color correction if you did use red filters. I gave them feedback that most underwater cameras have them available and they said it’s not needed.
I haven’t used red filters with mine.
Ace says no and claims it will mess with the auto-correction, which I find suspect. It is a physics problem, the color simply does not exist and no matter how good the algorithm is, it needs to work harder to make assumptions. This is what leads to the softer output of the Ace video and clear over-sampling of other elements in the scene. You can see this clearly at 07:49, look at the detail of the water surface. Everything in the GoPro is higher fidelity.
I've only owned DSLRs and SLRs in my life, but finally feel the need to get a an action cam for the portability, ruggedness and underwater capabilities. After watching what feels like 100 videos at this point comparing the main three big hitters of action cams - the GoPro wins every shootout in terms of image quality. Almost everything else seems to be better on the Insta360 and DJI action cams, but damn - it's undeniable at this point. Look at the surface waves, the bubbles, the coral in the night shots, hell - anything in the distance! The footage from the Hero has more definition without looking too artificially over-sharp - whereas the Ace Pro is mushier and digital looking.
Color is editable, loss of detail isn't. Now if only the GoPro's didn't overheat, the touchscreen was better, the battery lasted longer, etc. I think as always, I will fall in the dumb camp which will put up with all the shortcomings to get the best image. I fully agree though that many people don't care about any of the things I've said, if it means a camera won't work some of the time and there will be more editing in post.
I think a lot of people also don’t want to edit footage from vacations, they just wanna capture memories. So it’s a bit use case specific as well.
@@CircleHScuba Of course, and for the record - it's not like we expect any of these action cams to put out high-end DSLR, mirrorless or cinema camera level quality footage. There are midgrade lenses that cost more than the Ace Pro, Hero, and Action put together! They all excel at being inexpensive, rugged tiny cameras for fun - and it's great that GoPro has serious competition to push the tech of all the brands. I'm excited to see how far they'll all go in the coming years.
Although I already had my mind made to purchase the Insta360 Ace Pro over the GoPro 12 before watching your video, you just made the decision even more simple. I do have a question in regards to the device. Have you tried using the Ace Pro with a Telesin 6" Dome Port as yet. I'm a beach photographer and I would love to use the Acepro to capture 50/50 shots. Again, I love how thorough this video was in comparison to the gopro 12. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the compliments, I’m glad you found the video useful!
I haven’t tried any dome ports yet, though I know someone with the telesin dome port for the GoPro series and they had nice 50/50 shots.
Best of luck!
@@CircleHScuba ok thanks and noted, I'll update the status whether it works or not once purchased.
@BeyondGraphx I’d love to hear how you like it for sure if you do use it!
For snorkelling up to say 10 metres what one would you recommend? I'm not into editing so will be using footage straight from the camera.
As of right now honestly the insta360. Straight out of camera looks better without needing to run any editing on it.
Thank you.
@viciousviolet3783 anytime!
Thank you very informative and in depth review which has helped me make a decision for this amazing camera which does so much as well as let us film our beloved underwater scenes and yes we should all protect our seas, rivers and natural waterholes.
You’re welcome! Yes, I agree!!
Is there a way to adjust the white balance on the ace without colour grading, cause the skin tone looks very blue and at times not as clear and sharp as the go pro.
Yup you can have it on auto or adjust it. You have to before it’s in the case just like a GoPro
Thank you for the very factual review
Did you make adjustments to the camera settings?
No I left everything at factory settings. I did a factory reset on my GoPro and Ace Pro both to make it like you just jump in the water after buying them, versus trying to get "perfect" settings on everything and doing a bunch of set up work.
Awesome review! Thank you for the simple review - I'm going the video light/tray route and will share my results. You can look for that sometime in February. Cheers!
Looking forward to hearing about it!
I understand that there are two types of people using an action camera: those who don't know how or aren't looking to color grade their footage, and those who will take advantage of a logarithmic profile, staying away from any auto settings, AI ship, or Rec709 colors baked into the footage. I fall into the second category, and I believe a camera that can offer the most RAW available footage shall win, unless whoever is filming simply doesn't care about doing anything to their footage.
Underwater filming can be tricky, and the only way you can maximize the final product is by having control over your settings and color grading in post! That being said, no latest camera or AI ship will be better than any of the most recent action cameras after a solid color grade.
I totally hear you and this is 10000000% my point in comparing them as well. I tried to make it clear in the. video but you said it way better, kudos for that, haha. My idea here is "okay I wanna film underwater while diving, let me grab an action cam because they're grab and go, point and shoot"
I think once someone gets more into it, they look at setting manual settings, lighting, a tray to hold it all, floats, and then start looking at something like a TG6 as an upgrade, and then start looking at DSLR/Mirrorless and housings and cry as they buy a huge rig.....then they eventually get sad that the learning curve of full manual has "ruined" their footage so many times, they look at friends using something like a DiveVolk or Sealife housing for their iPhone and think "wow, the iPhone is getting better footage than my $10k+ rig" and eventually fold and stop lugging the big heavy camera rig and go back to a cell phone or action cam on auto, haha.
For those of us that get more into it, yes, 100% full raw and manual with time taken to color grade and correct is going to beat an AI (for now, heck we'll see what happens with the pace that AI is improving).
Thanks for understanding the perspective, and also sharing yours! I think it's really important to see the two sides of it!
@11:20 A very interesting comparison especially here at night time. The Insta360 Ace Pro does a better job of picking up details where there is very little light (You can actually see the divers), but the GoPro Hero 12 does a better job of showing more details in the areas that are lit up well by the torches. By comparison the details look mushy in the areas where the torches are shining for the Ace Pro
Thanks for this video, is what I whaiting for. I m a Gopro owners like you till the 9, after I was waiting for a real great change.... the new Ista Ace pro is the real upgrade. Now I want to ask a new question, what do you think about other camera like Olympus or Ricoh and similar? They make for sure better Macro, but for other scene?
I haven’t tried the Ricoh. Olympus TG6 is pretty good though for a camera that you can upgrade a bit over time. I wouldn’t really compare it to action cameras as they are quite different. The TG6 is something you’ll want to get to have full manual controls where you can’t use manual controls on action cameras to change settings underwater.
A TG6 is more of a starter going into the DSLR giant rig route.
Thank you for your answer. Of course the Insta is not a Reflex but make a great work. 👌👋
Thanks for the review!! Do you know of a dome port that will work with the Insta360 Ace Pro??
I haven’t looked for one myself yet, but I am sure 3rd party accessories will start coming out more and more as the model gains traction. It’s brand new and a slightly different shape than GoPro and DJI so they’ll have to make new molds and all that when making new accessories.
Thomas... great review. Were you in the Aqua Vison for all dives (day and night) and does Aqua Vision include PureVideo in the setting? Also, Insta360 claims their dive housing has a Glass lens vice a plastic lens like the other housings. Is that true and do you think it made a difference. All that said, I am definitely getting one!
Hey Robb! First, thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed the review!
AquaVision is part of the AI color correcting and yes, that was in all of the Ace Pro clips.
PureVideo is a shooting mode that I used on the night footage. It’s a video mode but has a slightly different algorithm (from my understanding) that enhances low light environment image quality.
The AI chip onboard the camera does denoising and color correcting as it saves to the microSD card regardless of the video mode as far as I know however, it’s just that the PureVideo mode is specifically designed for low light.
The housing does have a glass lens and maybe it’s better than plastic, but I don’t think I ever noticed a difference because I don’t have a plastic lens to try. Like, the ace pro doesn’t fit in the GoPro housing, and vice versa, so I couldn’t try the same image in plastic vs glass. I would assume glass is slightly better, but I’m not sure how much that matters if I’m totally honest. It probably does? 😅
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@@CircleHScuba thanks. Insta360 claims the glass provides better transparency than the plastic, which would seem to make sense. Can't wait to get my hands on one.
@robbchadwick2793 right I’m not sure if it’s noticeable to the naked eye or more marketing, but it does make sense that the glass would be a better picture, and I can confirm their housing does have glass
While I think some shots from the Insta360 are over-sharpened, and I don't mind that green tint from the GoPro (which is probably closer to the real situation) I think you have made a compelling case for the Insta360. I have a Hero 9(!) which serves me well, but I think I am going to finally upgrade to the Insta360. Thank you for the video.
It’s a tough choice sometimes and also somewhat preference. I think that’s true for all camera choices haha. Best of luck!
Hi, I think it's the fourth video of yours I've seen by just trying to find what I'm looking for....so there must be time to suscribe XD
The one thing I'm missing from your video is something I use all the time while diving: the instant recording by pushing one button even when it is switched off that all GoPro have. Does The Insta360 has it as well??
Haha hey thanks for the subscription! Yes, it has that same quick record type of feature
Is the selfie stick part of the splash bundle? Which selfie stick did you use that’s suitable for dive and compatible with the insta360 AcePro?
You want to double check the description on the bundle but I don’t think a selfie stick comes with the splash bundle. You hey the dive case and a float though.
I used the smaller of their selfie sticks as I didn’t need the full 2 meter one for this use case
@@CircleHScuba are the Insta360 selfie sticks that are for other cameras also suitable for diving?
@wheatprawnzo yes, they should work fine as long as they’re made for underwater use and can have an action camera mounted
Do you know setting for diving, I just got my insta360 and im diving tomorrow, do you know if i should record on pure video or normal and 8k or 4k and other things like that?
I am currently doing 4K60 for my needs and leaving most other things at default values. Still working on finding the “perfect” settings for myself. I use PureVideo during night dives or low light dives.
do you know what the difference between the 8k and the 4k 60 should i use 4k to save battery life?
Well 8k is higher resolution but huge file size and likely uses the battery a bit faster. I can't edit 8k on my computer so I don't even mess with it. Anything above 60 fps allows you to do more slow motion, but that's not something I do much with to begin with.
ok thanks
I feel like the gopro is more sharp
The color on insta is more beautiful
I can't say who is better, but I would choose the gopro and edit afterwards
For ppl who is not editing, the ace pro should be good for majority
Thanks. This was very helpful. So i've ruled gopro out now im just torn between the x3 and ace pro. So if it's under 10ft like snorkeling i dont need any housing? I was going to be cautious and get one anyway but i think you just reassured me that im without it for snorkeling.
does ace pro comes with underwater dive filter?
No red filters come with it. I believe there are some companies making them now though
Polar pro? Can’t find them anywhere.
I think where GoPro wins is focus up close. It looks clearer.
Honestly it may have been a fluke. Action cameras can’t really do macro shots unless you get special lenses, and even then they are hit or miss. The fixed focal length on action cameras makes it really tough to do anything up close
Yes, but GoPro made it better@@CircleHScuba
6:49 I think GoPro's footage is much clearer and sharper and able to collect a lot of details. As you can see at this point of the video. You can clearly see the creases on his clothes on left hand and see those bubbles on his hairs. Insta is missing all those details. Colours can be corrected in one go as per personal preferences but once you lose the details you can hardly recover them.
Ace Pro on snowy overcast scenes is half of the time totally blue or green when in automatic. I guess that the AI guesses right better in underwater 😅
I’m not sure what you mean. Snowy scenes underwater? Like if it’s snowing outside and you go diving? 🤔
@@CircleHScuba No, just pointed out how wrong can it get the color balance above the water and then be perfect below. it's mind boggling.
@kaltask1 ahhh ok, I see. I haven’t used it TOO much above land to see that yet.
Some day I’ll take it to the snow! Haha
What depths were these at?
30 feet down to 70 feet and all in between.
The Insta looks great. I prepare the colors of the Insta over the gopro.
I do too. It was shocking to me!
do i need to use a lens red filter? i can't find any filter corrector online.
I didn’t use one at all. I don’t know if it’s needed for most use cases, but if you did use one I imagine it would still be fine and probably help some more with the color correction.
You probably won’t find one just yet since it’s a new camera and the housing is different than the GoPro housing
thank you very much@@CircleHScuba
No problem!
Interested to know how much better will the ace pro perform in dark dives with pure video mode, as you can tell some details are lost in the lighted areas vs gopro
Great video. I so wanted the 360 Ace Pro and looked at several TH-cam videos, read so much about the Ace Pro compared it to the GoPro12 and I nearly ordered one. I bit the bullet and ordered the GoPro12. I was nervous about the Ace Pro's non removable lens, the flip up screen - how safe it was, not having 10bit colour and the bigger and heavier form factor of the Ace Pro. I have had Gopros before and they have always been very solid and had their faults, but they have so much experience in this field and the Ace Pro is a newcomer.
I’m glad you found the video useful! They’re both great cameras and I mean, I used GoPro forever. I am switching to the Ace Pro for now and am going to see how it goes with heavy use. I’ll keep my GoPros for now, but may eventually phase them out. We’ll see how the long term works! I think Insta360 put a very good showing and GoPro needs to start innovating to stay relevant.
ill buy the acepro when they make dive filters for the housing
I hope someone starts making them soon!
By any chance are there dive filters you can use with the ace pro dive housing?
I actually haven’t seen any yet but I haven’t looked too hard either. Nothing in the official insta360 store right now that I’ve seen, but there may be third party options.
I didn’t use a filter on either camera in the clips in this video though, for reference.
@@CircleHScuba Just thought I'd ask as I'm a pretty avid scuba diver. I'm currently using an Olympus Tough TG-5 and I'm looking for an easy to use system but have had issues deciding on what camera to use next. If this camera is capable of using AI to autocorrect colour at different depths, it might be worth it to give it a shot. But how do you switch between video and picture modes while the camera is underwater in the housing?
Totally understand that!
You hit the power/mode button on the side to switch between modes (video, photo, etc). Similar to other action cameras in this regard 🤙
@@CircleHScuba can you actually interact with the touchscreen underwater through the housing?
@MrJohnnybravo141 not through the housing, that’s true of any of the action cameras. Some, like this, can be used at various depths without the housing and the touchscreen sometimes works (in my experience)
Thank you for your review! Do they have dome for Insta 360 Ace Pro?
I don’t think they have one yet that I’ve seen, maybe a third party one but not an official one yet
From your comparison, I think it's pretty obvious that Gopro did better at color details probably because its 10-bits depth. Ace Pro did make the scene more "visible" but also "blurred" as the cost. So I won't say Ace Pro is clearly winning here. Ace Pro is amazing, I think it's better than Gopro overall, but not here.
I think it can depend on what you’re going for truthfully, and also remember that this is all default out the box with no post editing.
10 bit for GoPro only really helps if you’re editing footing and color grading and correcting. Sharpness I believe is high on GoPro’s default (I’d have to double check) and isn’t on Ace Pro.
I think my next tests personally are going to be picking my “best settings” for each and then doing another head to head, with my full tray and lights rig, etc.
For an out of the box experience, I think people would find the Ace Pro’s visuals more appealing. For a videographer looking to edit footage and just take the raw out of the box, they may be able to save some color correcting in post and get more from defaults in the GoPro.
Both are great, I’ve used GoPro forever, but I’m leaning more and more toward the Ace Pro lately.
Thanks for your comment!
@@CircleHScuba Yeah I'm the type that edits videos and photos, so I care more about potential than convenience.
I'm not sure what you actually saw in your night diving, but in my experience, I could barely see nothing but lights from torches just like your Gopro shows (Gopro is slightly too dark but Ace Pro is absolutely too bright). The darkness is why I love night diving because it's exciting haha. So if I use Ace Pro, I may want to edit the video to make it more close to Gopro.
But your "default test" is surely important too. Looking forward to your further test!
For my night dives, my eyes adjust pretty quickly and I see close-ish to what the Ace Pro shows. For example in one clip there was a diver maybe 1-2m (3-6ft) in front of me. On GoPro you could MAYBE see an outline if your looking very close, on Ace Pro you can actually see someone. In real life, I could see them because my eyes adjusted to the dark.
Regardless, I definitely hear your points and that’s why in my future testing, I want to dial in the best settings I can for each camera, then work with a tray that has my video lights, etc haha.
During the daytime shooting, which camera would you say is more true to color? I have the Ace Pro, and the sky is always more blue than it really is. On sunny days, I actually prefer the color and picture quality of the Hero 12. In low light conditions is where the Ace Pro shines for me.
I actually prefer the colors in the Ace Pro. Out of the box it can be a bit saturated sometimes, but you can change video mode settings and styles and get that dialed in if you’re not a huge fan of the defaults. Similar to the GoPro in that you can change color profiles and such, I think the colors look pretty great out of camera on the Ace Pro. Possibly better.
If you’re going to go heavy into editing, you may want the 10 bit versus 8 bit on the GoPro Hero 12, but the difference is only something people will notice when shooting in very specific modes and then doing heavy color correcting and grading imo. The average person wouldn’t notice a difference.
@@CircleHScubaall great points. Thanks!
@DX-HBK- absolutely!
Hello, thank you for your review.
How work the 360 insta when you want to do a selfie? Because insta do not have front display.
If you are at 10 meters or less you can use the flip up screen outside of the dive housing.
At 10 meters or deeper within the housing, it works like any other camera where you turn it around on the selfie stick and take the photo. However you can use gesture controls to start and stop recording or take a photo so you don’t have to hit the button.
@@CircleHScuba thank you very much for exposing.
Other question I have. How is that with battery life? If you compare those two
I think the battery life was pretty similar, and maybe just a little better on the Ace Pro. I didn’t do hardcore battery testing though.
@@CircleHScuba so jesture control works underwater ? This is so cool
@anatoliidudko7029 it does! It’s getting better with software updates, and I’ve had some times where I had to try a few times, but it definitely does work for photos and video! 🎉
Thanks for the nice video! The Ace Pro looks great, but in this comparison the Gopro seems to be sharper in the details. What's your thoughts on this? Maybe Ace pro has settings to increase the detail sharpness?
Both cameras do have sharpness settings you can adjust. I think the GoPro was on high and the Ace Pro medium.
Usually I turn the GoPro down to medium too because I don’t like the overly sharp image. It’s not natural looking imo. People like the folks at backscatter have settings guides that also say it’s too sharp and should be turned down 🤷♂️
It may be more of a preference thing though.
@@CircleHScuba Thanks! I now got this cam myself! Look much forward to use it on work shoots to document!
@hhglasenapp let me know how it goes!
@@CircleHScuba Looking forward to take it snorkling in the summer as well.
For work, it seems I might have to get an add-on for closeups of products I shoot.
Make a Spearfishing Video Using Camera Insta360 Ace Pro 🙏
I have some (minimal to be honest) from Lion fish hunting in curaçao actually! If I get enough for a video I’ll definitely make one
Partially shame that they repeated the same mounting. It is annoying as it doesn't allow a quick remount. Maybe less so important on the diving but really great to have on other sports.
I said partially as many accessories use this crapy mounting so easier to find what you need.
Ah you mean on the housing itself? I agree, I wish it was the “magnet” latch mount that’s available on the camera, but as you said at least it’s a standard mount that has a lot of accessories that work with it on day 1.
Would be a much more fair comparison if you turned the auto correcting off on the Insta360. Obviously the color corrected, sharpened, and de-nailed footage will look better overall. The footage out of the GoPro looks far clearer and sharper and clearly has more dynamic range than the Insta360 and given a fair shake with some color correcting and grading would almost certainly look better. Turn all the gimmicks off and test it again, this isn’t a fair comparison.
If you listened to the start, I didn’t turn anything on at all. I pulled the camera out, put it in the housing, recorded, transferred to their app and then air dropped to my Mac and threw it in the timeline.
Same thing for GoPro.
Idk how to prove that other than asking that you trust me, but it’s alright that you don’t. It’s the raw footage with no settings changed or manual color correcting, manual denoising, etc. literally just what the cameras give on auto on default settings out of the box.
Insta360, looks more natural definitely impressed
Video on Gopro looks like water is dirty 😂
It’s kinda nuts how different the footage is
thanks for review, around the 7:21 mark it appears the de noiser is picking up the school of fish behind you as noise and is trying to fix, or is that a compression artifact? I have had ai video software do that with fish and current ripples before. How is the overheating with acepro, (preferably at 4k60) my gopro 12 in t-housing with digipower can only last about 40-45 minutes before overheating, does ace pro have that beat? thanks for the night dive footage, im looking at the ace pro for UV shooting on reefs since the gopro 12 struggles with that.
I’m not sure to be honest on the compression, I’d have to look and I’m actually on a trip right now with poor wifi.
Overall I haven’t had overheating issues at all so far, but the GoPro 12 had that issue for me too. My GoPro 9 never overheated though and I used it for years.
I haven’t done UV light stuff yet at all but I want to!
@@CircleHScuba thanks for reply, and safe travels, when you start UV, dont make my mistakes, get custom lights at 365nm, dont waste money and time on those torchs. cheers!!
@theunderwaterchupacabra2050 thanks for the tip!!!
Great video, now I can show this video to some of my friends that are considering an action cam.
Sharing my content with others is one of the best ways to support me! Thank you!
how about action4
I don’t own one so I can’t do the comparison, sadly
Nice video love the ace pro
Thanks! I do too!
Great comparison video!!! Very helpful and informative. On a completely unrelated note, is anyone interested in a gently used GoPro Hero 10 with a shload of accessories?!?!?! 😂
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yeahhhh, I also have a lot of accessories I may need to start parting with 😅
If you out a color filter on it you get rid of a lot of the green on gopro.
For sure, and you lose light too unfortunately. It’s a trade off, I have backscatter filters (the flip filter) and it’s a constant struggle tbh to make sure I’m getting enough light so it’s not so dark because of the lens.
That said, this was intended for someone jumping in to capture moments and not necessarily want to spend sometimes hundreds more on filters, lights, a tray, etc. That’s why I didn’t do anything with extras in this one 🤙
@Thomas, hello from SoCal, come out and dive the channel island kelp forests with us. Is there any chance of you doing a SeaLife Micro 3.0 review? I mainly shoot stills and use the SeaLife with the Sea Dragon 3000F light. Curious if you have any experience/opinions regarding the SeaLife or could do a review. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the invite! The kelp forests are definitely something I want to experience some time!
I’ll see if I can get my hands on a sea life micro 3.0 and do a review. Do you mean in comparison to action cameras or just a review more generally?
Thomas thanks for the quick response. I’d say primarily just a general review, especially regarding shooting stills. While the SeaLife 3.0 does 4k video, I don’t think it can compete with the go pro etc. in the video capabilities, so in addition I would be interested in a comparison of still photography. Yes the Kelp forests are something to experience, just June thru December though, unless you want to dry suit which I don’t do. My dive buddy is a 30 year SoCal dive instructor veteran, let me know if you’re ever headed out and we’ll all get on a charter together.
Will do for sure, and dry suits don’t bother me the slightest 😎
I’ll see if I can get my shop to loan me a camera sometime in the next couple of months!
👍😎🇵🇭🤿! So there is a chance for me to become a better photographer under the water 🤣! I have always admitted I am terrible at scuba or any photography and I still have and use a Go Pro 7 or 8 I just simply forgot which one. Thanks Thomas I am going to look into the Ace Pro and you never know maybe I might do better 🤔🤣! Keep up the amazing work 👍!
I think you still need to have some camera skill haha, but it will help with the colors and quality!!!!!
You’re welcome Joseph!
@@CircleHScuba 👍🤣👍
I am smiling. I opted for the Ace Pro for other reasons. This is just icing on the cake. I needed a good action camera for my video work and for me, the choice was obvious in the bang for your buck in capabilities. I have seen some great videos out of the Ace Pro that is just simply amazing. The biggest plus is the low-light capabilities. Thanks for a really well-thought-out and conducted comparison.
Thanks Chris, glad you found it useful and I appreciate the compliment!
Let me know how you’re using the Ace Pro and how you’re liking it!
I really don’t know if I’ll use my GoPros at all now which is kind of sad, but I mean, you can’t argue with the results 🤷♂️
Thank you for a really nice and useful comparation!
You’re welcome! I hope it helps in your buying decisions
Great review. I’m convinced!
How about selfies underwater? Can we see ourselves as you can flip the screen when the housing is on.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
So I have a different video showing the Ace Pro without the dive housing here: th-cam.com/video/I0mPNjoTdXI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jYizpGnIlzJYJ2nt
Without the housing you can take selfies super easily with the flip up screen.
With the housing the screen can’t flip up, so you take selfies like you would with any action camera. The one difference is you can use gesture control to take the photo so you don’t have to hit the button then rush to position the camera. Just put up a peace sign and it’ll trigger the photo.
GoPro looks MUCH more crisp in the night footage, but yes scene is lighted much less. Insta is rather bland and wiped out. Im not sure whether it is a good tradeoff - with Insta yes you get the idea how was it underwater but it is equally unusuable.
I honestly don’t think it’s unusable. At default settings for both with no video lights, I was pretty impressed how much light was captured. I’m curious how my further testing will go when I grab my tray, video lights, etc. For this video I was trying to approach it as a more novice that just wants to capture moments underwater. From that regard, they may not have extra lights, a tray, filters, or even know what settings to use outside of default auto settings. That’s what we’re seeing here
I can see more details in the Gopro footage. Personally would prefer to color correct it than get less details. I would like to see DJI action 4 which has bigger sensor or maybe even DJI Osmo 3 which has gimbal.
I’m not sure I agree on the detail part. I don’t own the action 4 currently, but for the osmo 3 with the gimbal doesn’t work underwater at all so it’s not really a good comparison. On land, sure, but not for diving?
@@CircleHScuba there is an underwater case for that one! :)
Ah really? Nice!
Any suggestion for a budget underwarter action cam, under 100$ ?
Used GoPro tbh, that’s a small budget unfortunately so it’s hard to give a specific answer
@@CircleHScubaThanks, I'll took after that. At what GoPro version does the quality become noticeably better, and are there any significant upgrades throughout its evolution?"
@K-R-O-L id try at least a 7 but of course newer is better
@@CircleHScuba thanks a lot :)
@K-R-O-L good luck!
Are you using PureVideo mode? Awesome review and this is exactly why I bought my Ace Pro for, can't wait to get mine underwater, January 18th can't come any sooner. The color is night and day out of the camera and why it's nice NOT to have to color grade to make it "better" after. A few people were complaining about the 'flickering' in the Ace Pro during camera movement, 7:30 take a close look at the GoPro water behind, who's the one that's flickering? lol
Hey! Thanks and I’m excited for you to get your Ace Pro too!!
I used PureVideo in the night footage with default settings. Just changed to PureVideo mode but didn’t touch anything otherwise.
The one where my gf (diver in white mask) is in front of me and she’s basically invisible on the GoPro footage BLEW ME AWAY!!! I literally couldn’t believe the entire person just disappeared basically in the GoPro footage 😱
@@CircleHScuba So that's why Ace Pro lost some details and sharpness due to heavy noise reduction in PureVideo mode. But yeah, GoPro doesn't look good in this comparison anyway.
Ahhhh good point!
So with the help of ai to make it look better does that mean the raw file that comes out from the acepro is not as good ?
I don’t think so, no
ace pro works better in low light if you put it on pure video.
With good lighting GoPro kept the details where they are, and Ace Pro simply colored the picture into humanity’s favorite )) I’m sure that in GoPro’s post-processing it will be possible to color it the same way, but on Ace Pro the details are lost forever.
Yes, when it's dark, the Go Pro looks worse overall. But where there is an image, it is better and more detailed. Either it compresses TH-cam, but after the video, I prefer Go Pro, because when the sun goes down, I go to bed.
If seriosly, it looks like Ace Pro have an issue with HDR....
I think lights and changing from default settings on both cameras would change both images drastically to be honest
Agree. Plus, GoPro can take videos in 10 bit color, which is much better after upscale
10bit matters more if you edit for sure. I definitely was showing more for an amateur wanting to capture memories. So many people just post raw video to Facebook and such and it’s never color corrected or anything.
More advanced features need more tweaking and editing and may or may not result in better footage based on how it was captured of course, but the skill of someone afterwards too because you can absolutely screw up a photo and video with poor color grading/correcting.
I will be exploring the comparison more myself since I primarily only used GoPro for footage you see underwater on this channel up until I got an Ace Pro. But my use case for the best quality footage I can possibly get isn’t a normal use case.
If you want good quality, lose the action camera and get a DSLR, housing, lights, start editing footage without using auto settings at time of capture, etc.
I think it’s a use case difference
@@CircleHScuba I am color blind, so a use case for capturing memories sttraight out of the camera is appreciated.
I would not buy either of them now and rather wait for DJi Osmo Action 5 (Pro),, which supposed to be with 1" sensor and the brain from DJI Osmo Pocket 3.
Fair enough, this video came out 6 months ago so it’s kind of hard to say a 6 month old video we should look for the next generation of cameras 😅
I don't agree with the conclusion of the author. For me, an image from GoPro looks more accurate. The image on Insta360 is blueish, and on GoPro is greenish. The true color is somewhere in the middle, but I like more the colors on GoPro. And what I didn't expect, that's even on night video, the image on GoPro looks nicer and sharper, then on Insta.
Totally fine to draw your conclusion 😊
Happy I was able to help show the comparison for you regardless.
Totally agree! If the ace wasn't so blue it would be great. His skin looks totally off colour underwater and the go pro still looks sharper and higher quality even in low light. Both seem to have their pros but definitely not and says choice
I honestly think that if we want to see better at night with a camera, we won't be able to find anything better anyway, plus he also says that all settings were on automatic So I think you can also get those natural colors and sharpness in the settings
@@Dalio. No, even in automatic mode, from the box, gopro takes better video
@@mriatravel So actually this wasn't the best quality we'd seen from the camera
Nice video! Have you tried the "zoom" option with Insta Ace that keeps same quality? I think that might be awesome under water (dont know if its easy to use tbh)
I haven’t tried the zoom underwater actually since you double tap the screen to do it, and I didn’t try that out of the housing yet but I don’t think the touch screen works SUPER well underwater in my last tests.
I have tried it on land though and it’s exactly as advertised. I’ve seen other videos explain it better than I will, but it has to do with how pixels are grouped to make the 4K video feed on Ace Pro vs the Osmo Action 4 or Hero 12, and Insta360 does it better in a way that makes it lossless.
Definitely, zoom will not work at all. You can't use a touch screen underwater. You want to block the screen and hope it will not mess up while you diving
@CircleHScuba the ability of digital zoom can help with macro filming. Am I correct?
Digital zoom without quality loss yes. Digital zoom in most cameras results in quality loss, but the way insta360 does it on the Ace Pro is supposed to prevent that. Other videos I’ve seen detail the “how” of that more.
2x zoom isn’t going to help much with macro in general though imo as you’d want more zoom and a better focal distance still.
Imo the gopro is the big winner, the image is a lot more crispy and real, the ace pro is not sharp and to soft. Ace pro is very blue and you look like fluo stick. Check the bubbles in your hair. In darker enviroment the ace pro is more bright but not sharp or detailed at all and very digital. The darker image of the gopro is better quality, it is a lot darker, but with the correct light you will see that the image of the gopro is a lot better. For me the gorpo is the camera to go, just put a light on it and you will see it beats the ace pro by far. watch this video on big screen to see the difference
I think if settings were tweaked on both (they were both on default), a tray with good lights was put on, they would be more similar and/or the ace pro would win due to the software and lens, but time will tell!
For out of the box, someone that isn’t going to fork out more money on lights, and doesn’t want to learn how to color correct, the ace pro did better.
Depends on the use case and personally I’m excited to do more testing as the water warms a little more and tweak settings until I figure out the best setup for each.
@@CircleHScuba but still, if you check details, the gopro is the clear winner, darker but more natural. The acepro is very artificial. Zverybody is stoked on the acepro, but still the gopro is the better image quality.
@krissutherland5426 I’m saying it may be a matter of settings though. ISO alone could bring more detail (at the cost of noise if it’s too high), but they were both set to auto. Time will tell!
Insta360 with dive housing it can attach inon UCL-165M67.? need to buy lens adapter.?
I have no idea, I’d reach out to insta360 support about that
Insta ace 360 pro❤😊
I like the underwater color the ace pro does. However, actually the low light performance made me get the GoPro 12. Even though the picture is darker over all there are just a ton more details visible with the GoPro. The Ace Pro night videos look extremely cheap, although brighter. I dive In and around Ireland so low light with a proper light is my main activity.
Totally fair. I feel the ace pro image is what I’d want if I had no lights, but I see what you mean too
Hi Thank so much for sharing your experience... I'm looking forward to taking my acepro (and the x3) to tiger beach in 2024! I'm a long time gopro user as well, and I feel ya'! I know you said you used default settings.. I presume the dive preset 4k/60fps? or would you recommend 4k/30fps with the HDR for underwater? ( depth about 30ft.) I probably could get away with either. But was curious if you had any thoughts on that.
Actually by default it was the HDR 4k30 settings haha. Didn’t use the dive preset 😅
Looking forward to hear how it goes at Tiger Beach!
Good to know! Thanks for the reply! Appreciate your videos! have a happy new year! @@CircleHScuba
@rmdragon2 no problem at all! Happy new year!
sponsor 360??😂😂😂😂
Insta360 sponsored this one, yup! But I used some of their stuff before and enjoy their cameras regardless. I think both cameras are great but for low light especially, insta360 blew GoPro out of the water (pun intended)
Great vid, but you can clearly see the clarity on the Hero12 is far better day/night than the ace - glad I got the GoPro
I think the ace pro footage is more pleasing with zero edits. If I set both to the best settings possible instead of defaults, color corrected everything, etc then the GoPro may beat it out but it’s hard to say. Also, most people don’t edit footage to that extent unless they’re TH-camrs
No pure view at night diving?
I did use purevision on the ace pro at night. It’s a video mode so I switched to that and then left default settings
Or i can record in 10bit GP and see all what i cant see in first look. Or at least something 😅. But for auto mode insta obviously better. BUT
A resolution or video quality worst than in GP, GP some kind of true resolution no interpolated, at least so cheap like in Insta. Its a very big problem.. for me
Besides. If your hands are full, you are climbing a rock or holding a bicycle’s handlebar. You can use voice control in GP
Aaaaand you can change the bitrate up to 200. More than other action cams 🙂
Voice control and gesture control exists on the Ace Pro just fyi.
The 10bit part for sure is on GoPro Hero 12, not the Ace Pro, but like you said that requires extra editing to really use properly which a lot of people buying action cameras aren’t doing.
GoPro needs to innovate more for me to want to keep using them. I’ve used them for so long and at this point they’ve just stopped innovating for many models now it seems and it’s kind of sad.
I’m glad insta360 is providing more competition, hopefully it means the market overall will get better since there’s more competitors now.
gopro still the best i baught both to compare ( only difference, you got for free, and we paid for ours )
I paid for all of my GoPros, and I understand if you feel that way. That’s why I disclose sponsorship. I hope my audience can trust me at this point but I also know when it comes to image quality, sometimes personal preference is there
i trust you for gopro, i was talking about free ace pro, ( quality not so good ) i expect serious honesty!
I honestly plan to stop using my GoPro for now. In my true opinion, my Ace Pro is going to be my primary camera now
Thank you
You’re welcome!
😊
Many thanks! It's sad the GoPro lack on innovation may be the downfall of the company. Like you, I owned the Hero 4, 5, 7, and 9. But, I own a Insta360 x3 and love the innovation that Insta360 has. Their AI is a great feature to have. It's a fun camera to use. I have a dive trip planned to NAD Lembeh in July. It looks like the Insta360 will need to accompany me.
I think the X3 and Ace Pro combined make the best options for divers right now. I actually will have a video covering the X3 with their new invisible dive case coming probably in January, and there are some really epic shots I got there too.
12:15 really? I'd argue GoPro was better here.
You can’t even see half the divers on the GoPro side 🤷♂️
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Oh thank you!
@@CircleHScuba thanks
@@CircleHScubaI saw your video and l bought ace pro 1 day ago this camera very good
The so-called "AI chip" is only working when your FPS is below 60. No "AI chip" function for 8k footage too. So the best you can do is 4k 60fps if you want the "AI Chip".
As for shooting close subject, GoPro got a better minimum focus. If you have a macro lens, it will help better and let you go very close to the subject. However, acepro still needs to keep a distance at least 8-10cm from the subject. Otherwise you will be out of focus.
I think any action camera has bad focal range. Lenses can help but they’re still not the best unfortunately. It starts to push the limit of what action cameras can do and I’d start recommending another camera if people wanted to really look at macro shooting.
Gopro looks way better look at your and the person's in the backgrounds greyish ghoulish like youse just hopped out of your coffins and took a dive skin?
Also there's a colour shift on your face
This video just confirms there's a huge colour shift problem that needs to be fixed asap
Please tell Insta 360 to contact I ain't scared to tell em what I really think?
I think the color shifts happen more in GoPro honestly 🤷♂️
Definitely feel free to reach out to Insta360 support though if you have feedback, they’d be happy to have it I’m sure. GoPro too for that matter :)
@@CircleHScuba no way and I don't even have one
Maybe if they fix colour shift fault that even happened on a rug of all things in another TH-camrs review