So, Melees are THE BEST Weapons in Warframe again!...
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- Warframe Melee Arcanes and Tennokai... These new systems which were added with Warframe's "Whispers in the Walls" Update make Melees the BEST WEAPON class in the game again.
So in this Warframe Guide we're going to look at what's new, how these Systems work and how you can use them for yourself.
The Tennokai Mods and new Melee Arcanes were given to me for free through DigitalExtremes' official Warframe Creator Program.
This Warframe Guide is inspired by the works of TheKengineer, WarframeFlo, KnightmareFrame, Grind Hard Squad and many more...
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Which Melee Arcanes and Tennokai Mods do you prefer?
Melee Influence with a heavy attack Xoris works pretty well for me.
Could you do a video on weapon builds against the murmur
I'm actually digging Melee Retaliation on my Rhino since I have over 1200 shields from shards for Parasitic Armor. Iron Skin means those shields are never taking damage.
melee influence is already busted w/ zaws, not exactly as underwhelming as described..
Once nice use case for melee Influence is proccing it on the Prova Vandal with the forced electricity procs of static discharge and then using it to spread more useful statuses like corrosive + heat. I don't know if there are other weapons that have forced electric procs but might be worth looking into.
Im a new player and i keep forgetting that this game was suppose to be a looter shooter game lol. The melee is way too much fun
Mhblacky my glorious king lord and Savior could you with your glory smite down these inferior humans that comment before me to get the first comments
Hahaha one thing you have proven: You're way more eloquent than me xD
This not a cult? this not a cult.
It can be... Im just sayin.....😂
@@lemonadezathis a cult, but at least the koolaid is delicious.
@@brandonman1315I'm dead!😂💀
One advice about Melee Crescendo, don't overestimate the mod. Even with maxed out combo counter it still takes several seconds after a heavy attack before you reach the 12x multiplier again (you can see the same effect on Corrupt Charge). So the mod isn't all that useful on a heavy attack build, but rather on light attack tennokai build. MC Gamerz made a video about the mod just recently. You can check it out, too, for all the nifty details.
I was actually unsure if this 'counting up' is actually just a visual thing or if it really takes the time to be considered at 12x again... But yeah, you're right. With a good Tennokai Setup, you'll get Heavy Attacks for free even faster. However there is a specific use case for this Arcane that is incredibly busted that I'm going to showcase soon ^-^
I wonder that many people really do have the Wrong Idea about Melee Crescendo's Purpose ? 🤔
@@MHBlacky_ENGit's not visual that's why u should use heavy attack efficiency so it takes less time to get it back to 12x
That depends on the enemy population and weapon type. Tonfa weapons always reach maximum combo at record time even without a mod to improve that
From what I've tested, the trigger for Discipline's Merit actually goes off hits per button press; hitting multiple enemies with one button press does not increment the Tennokai counter for each enemy hit.
Similarly, if one button press has your melee do 2+ strikes for that stage of the combo, it again only counts as 1 to the Tennokai counter if you hit a target for that stage of the combo.
This is a nice Nugget of Information 👀
Why the fuck are the legendary arcanes locked to netracells lmao, it's gonna take an entire year to max one out.
To be fair, you don't really need them maxed out
And free crit😭
No.... You're never going to max them out because the odds of Getting either on is only 11%.
That's the epitome of "Don't even bother" Warframe RNG stats.
AOE Weapons: I thought you died.
Melee Weapons: My death, was merely exaggerated.
As a melee main, this brought a smile to my face
I believe that. Wish you much fun with the new systems 😉
Melee Duplicate is actually really good with Glaives. You can get three elemental explosions with Xoris, Cerata, and Glaive Prime if you have volatile quick return
Exsodia contagion and 1 of these arcanes. Zaws have 2 arcane slots. Laws are beyond broken
As a Kullervo player I gain great enjoyment and power from this update.
There's also a special enemy inside the murmur tileset which is a "book" that will always award an extra melee arcane on defeat. It's also present inside the netracells missions.
Good point! Forgot about this fella xD
Rhino mains be happy after no armor cap arcane lol
Hahaha yeah :D Also works great with the Arcane that gives Melee DMG for Shields because Iron Skin protects the Shields ^^
3:10 Melee Influence is crazy on Xoris right now since it's a glaive and force-proccs electric status
Your videos have been most helpful. I hadn't been carried away with Valkyr until I found your build and been using her ever since. I didn't even know there were other Tennokai mods.
Aaaaw thank you so much
Thank you MHBlacky, before i could barely beat E-Prime on steel path, now i can solo level 1000 survival
I personally use melee retaliation, as I have a volt build with 3200 shield, so I get about 400% damage boost at all times.
That being said, I havent tried the corrosive one, it might be stronger. And utlity wise, vortex seems the best.
Man, melee fortification sounds pretty damn awesome to use on Rhino. Think I might dust him off later to try this out
Millions of Iron Skin incoming :D
Exodia force + Melee influence on a high status zaw can delete enemies that are grouped up
I looked on warframe market for disciples merit and people are selling it for up to 100 plat, I think I know where all the arcane energise traders went
Syan got REALLY good with the tennokai, and even better in Kullervo's hands
Melee retaliation works well with overguard
Yup got a 3200 shield volt and practically a permanent 400% buff
Have you, or anyone else think of a pennet+tennokai+melee animosity build.
The 4 seconds tennokai isn't for reactions, it's for when you get it but have nothing to use it on. You can run to a new clump of enemies and nuke them. The problem is the one that is a guaruntee every 4 hits is probably better for more consistency.
They no doubt gonna put a cap on the melee fortification
Not so sure tbh. I mean 10s is not that long and there's only so many enemies you can kill in that time. Also due to the armor scaling there's not that much of a difference between having +2000 and +4000 armor
Who cares, to me its useless when guardian exists. I'd want more damage from a melee arcane not armor.
@@NaregChakhbasiani agree, most of the new melee arcanes should be focused around increasing damage or do things like melee influence.
Also, on the point he made about feeling rich and lazy, don't get scammed in trade chat, either. Someone tried to sell me ONE of the Tennokai mods for 50p. That's a rip off any way you cut it, the pack with ALL the mods in it is 100p, why would you pay half that price for ONE item out of that bundle?
Some Jack Ass tried to sell me a *Ready Steel* for a Whopping 150 Platinum !!! 😠
Because you only want one instead all 5? DUH? You know that they have like 5% drop chance each in a 20 min rotation, right? Duh...
@DavidUtau
You sound like one of those Scammers. 🧐
@@DavidUtau or, and here's a wild and borderline CRAZY idea... I could just play the game and get it for free?
Not only is it good, it FEELS good too. I really think they nailed the feel of Tennokai.
YES! The feel is what makes this so much more engaging :D
Melee Influence + Xoris throw
Xoris is good but glaive prime better
@@Justc0nn I respectfully disagree. Xoris has endless combo duration, so you stack it to x12 and never go below that. No glaive prime can beat that.
More Melee Influence, I run it on Syam, but also through Volt's EShield (Projectiles get elec damage and crit damage). This lets me still run the Viral/heat Syam Heavy attack spam, while benefitting most from the arcane AND the shield. Plus condition overload, just to wrig out all of the damage the other arcanes would get me.
Can you please start doing time stamps?
Melee Exposure is probably my favourit just because it made Khora even more broken xd
Atlas & Khora have a big smile on their face rn 😊
fortification opens up new doors for me as a excal/umbra main
Protea’s ballistic artillery laughing at melee crutchers
Gara is already insane....after melee crescendo, she'll become godly insane
I don't think that if a weapon attacks fast enough that you need to worry about guaranteed tennokai, as using valkyr I'm just constantly getting tennokai procs to the point I'm basically alternating between holding attack and tapping heavy attack.
I'd love to try to make a build for the magnetic pull one because it sounds fun to just be a blackhole essentially. Might have to do a magnetic/gas build until we get magnet mods like we've gotten for radiation. Or get a magnetic tennet melee for it :v
Magnetic ferrox throw it and forget it lol
It's just dumb fun
As a hildryn prime main not on sp yk I will be using melee retailiation (my base shield is almost 7k and I use elemental ward as a subsumed ability)
I am using tennokai with keratinos: Special spinning attack with guaranteed slash and melee reach buff (keratinos passive).
I love the Keratinos! Made s vid on them when they came out over on my German channel back in the day ^^
@@MHBlacky_ENG It's my favorite melee
I'm trying to get melee duplicate r5 for the keratinos, theyre my favorite claws.
Even without these new arcanes my ack and brunt has a 238 crit chance and a 7x damage multiplier. Put that on dagath or kullervo and it's nonstop red crits and constant "!" After damage numbers. It's my goto for steel path
tennokai on pennant is so nice and refreshing because I don't just spam heavy attacks anymore AND tennokai procs the attack speed passive if it kills!
I love melee fortification on Hirudo. Healing on crit, and armor on kill. Just the thing to further boost my facetanking Nidus. Melee Duplicate will also be great on my exodia contagion status zaw, which, for some weird reason, almost always yellow crits, despite having the lowest crit.
*Looks at the middle sword in the thumbnail"
Monolithsoft & Nintendo called.
They want their Monado back.🤣
I should've mentioned it in the video that this is a melee skin. I'm sure the questions will arise xD
PSA: Melee influence is BUSTED on the Xoris, the explosions deal an innate Elec proc, practically guaranteeing the stat spread on a heavy attack :)
after the tennokai update, I feel like playing Vergil again in warframe. I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
Go ahead and have fun I'd say :P
That cresendo arcane looks op and plus the kai mods make it more insane 💀
Oh no its actually annoying to stack up
MHBlacky, you could add annotation to video that Melee Arcanes main drop point(where I actually farmed most) is "Whispers" actually. They drop from defeating whispers as well, I think you simply forgot to add it in video, I believe watchers could get this info as annotation at least so they don't skip this important info.
Despite this I'm still gonna primarily use my guns in a mission, unless I'm using Kullervo, Excal Umbra & a few others that can take advantage of the arcanes. Melee Animosity is my favorite though since it's on HIT & not KILL lol~
I will also still use guns. There are meny scenarios where you simply gotta place some well aimed shots. Trust me those 3-arm-drones in the new Tileset are a pain to kill in melee xD
Animosity is a great one, definitely :D I spent 400p to buy it for this video xD
New player here, started less than a week ago, and i am using exclusively melee weapons ingame, only equipping other weapons to rank them up.
Still, if melee weapons befome overpower and flat out better than guns and similars, that would take the fun out of it.
Ive quit games for less, and, imo, a gun should always outdamage some weird sword or something.
@@flavioromano8754 I agree, thank goodness you weren't there before Melee 3.0 😅
Yeah, I noticed that with the new Melee Arcanes, farming Credits on Lua, with the Secura Lecta, is NOTICABLY easier. SUbjectively 5 times easier. Not 20%, 80% but astoundingly much more - it's insane....
Kinda wished that the melee arcanes works on the exalted weapons :(
as a chadlas main its a great time to be alive
I think retaliation could potentially work well with a kullervo or styanax overguard build, even though the buff is halved, it's sill +200% or so at max rank and it might help someone who's damage doesnt scale that well to push to a higher enemy level.
Did you read the arcane
IT SAYS SHIELDS not overguard
Due to a Misunderstanding that happened yesterday... I here by declare that the Description for *Melee Crescendo* is actually Incorrect. 👀
Melee Retaliation + Exodia Contagion + Prime Redirection + Revenant
This update is honestly great. The additions definitely helped melee out, but there just isn't any real competition when it comes to primaries/secondaries. Aiming in the general direction of enemies and clearing out an entire hallway is just too good. I really do wish melee was better since the playstyle is more interactive compared to guns.
I was thinking "I haven't even completed New War yet I have a Tennokai mod?" Then realised I got it from one of the Warframe live stream drops a couple weeks ago 🤦♂️ I really should try it out after seeing this video.
*pulls out a glock
“Always has been”
got hard locked because I got cocky and entered new war without the proper stuff, so I made a new account and I can confirm that your guides never fail!!!
Oh man I'm sorry to hear that :O
If something like that eer happens again, then maybe the support team can help you before having to reset the entire account :O
But I'm happy that my guides helped you restart ^^ Wish you much success on the new account ❤️
Thank God cross save is available now. Be sure to transfer ur data!
@@marcoayala111 I transferred my data and got the account back! Love the new update.
Gonna have to experiment. I'm hoping Opportunity's Reach helps with glaives, mainly the window increase as I'm struggling to throw it in time after a melee proc
I'm excited to see the interaction between Kullervo and tennokai.
It's like dividing by zero. It makes the world explode xD
Actually it doesn't work
His 1 doesn't activate tennokai
@@noahedenborg4221 Hmmm. But you could 1 then use tennokai with the lingering bonus?
@@TGNXAR yes
@@noahedenborg4221 That mod that activates every 4th hit would be brutal.
Tennokai works with Xoris and glaives overall. You can get free Heavy Attack/manual explosions while you throw a glaive.
AND keep the combo meter, so the damage stays consistent and POWERFUL.
@@Nazhulian Yes. And if you use Naramon focus , if you go out as operator with x8 combo(or more) you get 100% AMP bonus for 1min, you can basically have it all the time on operator if you want. And other effects that require combo multipliers.
I want that Gram Prime build, which is insane.
any slash build with gram will shred, you can use a riv for extra attack speed and cc to get all the red crits
@@ilovecotd Thanks homie
I guess the secret is out of the bag now, so I'll say that Melee Influence is insane. It spreads ALL the melee's elemental effects (which somehow includes Shattering Impact)
I put it on the Xoris (forced electric procs) and I got my first ever true Accolite one-shot in Conjunction Survival (lvl 180) from just electric status spread- It spawned in behind me and I threw the Xoris in front of me (away from it) at a clump of enemies as soon as the heath bars appeared at the top of the screen- both its health and shield bars instantly disappeared.
Don't pass on this one.! Rght now it's extremely powerful alone, only modded for electric, without even getting into the many synergies or other elements.
Have you tried it with 4 elemental mods
DE is crazy, they tried so hard to make primary and secondaries relevant, just to destroy it in one update. Melees being OP again is just silly, consider how long they were OP for.
Melees were OP before the update damage wise but AoE weapons have better coverage. These arcanes and tenno kai are niche options at best with a couple examples where it can shine (Xoris with Influence is kinda unga bunga big damage now).
no melee weapon, with any of the new arcanes or tennoksi effects, comes anywhere close to the clear time of the ocucor, the self-stripping of the latron incarnon, or the usability of the torid still.
destroyed it? not a single melee can tear lvl cap armies like torid incarnon or furis,dual toxocyst, lex, burston or boltor. Stop the cap
The armor arcane turns kulervo into a monstrosity of armor
Yes. He benefits like crazy from it :O
How he has overguard
nice guide!
Thank you, Bro!
Melee duplicate seems a bit weak with the yellow only crit restriction. Would be great for low crit chance melee's but for most other weapons that can reach orange-red crits I don't see it being worth. Especially when a lot of crit chance buffs let you reach orange and red crits normally.
It's good on glaives, since those rarely get above yellow crits.
@@snakeman830 I forgot about those. Only ever used them on Kullervo ever since I got him so it never crossed my mind lol
After doing a bit of testing in the Simulacrum with Reaper Prime, I can confirm heavy attack builds can benefit from Tenno Kai.
So if you're like me and possess the reflexes of a dead slug, you can still interact with the system.
Haha very nice to hear :D
Especially with the 4s Tennokai Mod, reflexes have become optionsl xD
@@MHBlacky_ENG Lol very true.
After more testing it seems heavy attack builds can't modify the frequency of Tennokai procs.
I tried two mods, Discipline's Merit (4 hit tennokai proc) heavy attacks maintained the random chance, but light attacks worked as intended.
And Dreamer's Wath (50% increased tennokai proc chance + 32% heavy attack crit chance) my rng might just be bad but it didn't seem like the 50% increase was working.
Retaliation would be great on Hildryn👀
Doesn't even have to be because it's capped at 420%. So many Frames can get pretty high when the Arcane is R5. But sure, for Hildryn you won't have to worry about your Shields being too low that much ;)
Melee fortification on rhino would be awesome
Well it has 30 stacks that each have their own timer so yes it would be good on rhino
Eh I'll still be content using my tenet arca plasmor.
meelee exposure plus excal umbra
you cant, DE dont allow it.
I already did that but with Normal Excalibur (Because he's Better).
I wish i could hit red crits like that gawd damn
Please make a vid about xaku
Just started out a week ago, altho as a starter it's not really big of a deal FOR NOW(well for me) but melee is the best lol. Slam, break. 1 shots. No aiming needed (i use the gram and just maxxed out attack speed and damage mod + crit and crit dmg )
LET'S GOOOO, HE IS BACK
Again? Sorry bro but i dont think it ever wasnt.
>They change Berserk so you dont ramp up faster than usual
>Then they change ammo system that now you do run out of it so yore eventually back to melee
>They give melee arcanes and now theyre even more OP
AOE just had a faster clear time
yep "again" but thats bullshit. torid incarnon still clears lvl cap armies like its nothing. Not a single melee can do that.
@@kahlore idk about that , my IncaTorid with a decent riven can't do sht in Netracell
@@pseudologue5965 probably thats a build issue, corrosive build + hunter munition + nourish goes brrrr. For netracell drop a bane of murmur + some viral + radiation combination and thats it
@@kahlore tnx for the build now it shreds
Can't wait for people to find out Duplicate and Crescendo are trash as far as Legendary/Platinum arcanes go. Animosity and Exposure are by far the best, in my opinion. Combined with Dreamers Wrath, mmph.
I agree with Duplicate but I think People have The Wrong Idead About Why someone might want Crescendo
The only thing I can see people wanting Crescendo for are stat sticks, as you won't be using heavy attacks, so you don't have to wait for it to build up again, but Exposure would be better to me. Unless there's an interaction/synergy I'm unaware of.
duplicate’s issue is just that it can only be used on select melees- those with low enough crit chance to not orange crit often with just blood rush on, but that are still able to keep up with todays weapons in spite of this. thankfully, two such weapons exist: praedos and gunsen prime. they come stock with 20% crit chance which is only 116% at 12x blood rush, but they’d been keeping up even in spite of this.
It seems u haven't see influence or vortex
Do you think the Skiajati fares well against enemies with this new update?
Wait did blacky talked about tenno kai in different vid 😅😅
Nope, not really :O
Maybe my Devstream Recap ;)
Babe wake up... MhBlacky posted
No way, do you have item labels off?
I believe you are wrong about Discipline's Merit. The line "Enable Tennokai" has an intrinsic 15% chance to trigger tennokai on melee hit on top of it activating every 4th hit.
Ive always prefered heavy attack focused weapons as twohanded meele or throwable
I’m MR 9 and my usual setup is excalibur, sobek, gammacor, broken war, and of course, exatled blade. I’ve been a big fan of ur vids cause they were so informative and actually taught me stuff. However, i have trouble with the level 36 enemies. Im not even joking! LEVEL 36!!! I try to mod my weapons well and i still struggle with that level. EVEN WITH A NECRAMECH! I dont know HOW i even got the archwing launcher, the necramech, and the railjack in my state. Though, i have no galvanized, primed, umbral, or any kind of special mods. And also, im not sure if i have good weapons either, so i was hoping u could help in my replies? Love u! ❤
What mods are you using on your broken war?
what i did when i was low level was looking up builds for weapons i have, and when inevitably they used a mod i didnt have, id see how to get that mod, and if i could, cool! id go get the mod and id toss it on the weapon. if i couldn't however, id look for the next best thing, like a mod that did something similar but not quite exactly the same. also! MHBlacky has another video on weapon modding if you haven't seen it yet, i'd recommend searching for that if you can.
finish the sacrifice for all sacrificial mods
@@Aman-mz8tw i’ll let u know when i can check
@@035-u9p i have watched that video before and it was REALLY informative. Thanks for your opinion btw. I’ll try to look up builds for the weapons now
Melee fortification does cap at 30 IIRC
this
Any source? I searched but couldn't find something on it so far.
Though with 35-40 enemies being the cap at how many can be in the level at any given time, I'd say for most builds it'd be hard to even get to melee 30 kills whithin 10s 😉
@@MHBlacky_ENG I believe Aznvasion made a video and said much the same thing where theoretically you would need something like 160kpm and to even get there with melee you would be using influence instead
I would of just liked melee variants of the acolyte arcanes
Und wieder nix in deutsch naja aber hier bringts auch mehr clicks 😉
They make status malee weapon free crit bruh
hehe use stynax rally point with melee retailation sound really fun rn ngl
I don't think the legendary arcanes are all that great, honestly. double hitting on base crits means you only need to deal orange crits to be on par with it, red crits outright outpacing. It does mean you can ramp status faster I guess? But I still much prefer the up front damage, I think.
increased base combo count also isn't super great either, since it still has to count back up to 220 which takes around 10 seconds. You could just git gud at tennokai and run body count or something
Melee Duplicate also frees up mod space. I have a Dual Ichor riven that hits 99.6% crit with just Gladiator Might, which means I can replace Sacrificial Steel, Blood Rush and Gladiator Vice with Buzz Kill, Energy Focus and Primed Fever Strike for more damage that Melee Exposure gives, and on my 2 green shard Citrine does 6 Corrosive, 2 Slash and 1 other status on EVERY hit. With Prismatic Gem and Archon Continuity, that's full armor strip and 4 Slash procs in 2 attacks...
There's a diffrence between hitting twice and hitting orange crits
As much as i want to like crescendo
I feel like the downfall is you are roughly sitting there for 7 seconds waiting for your combo to climb back up, so youd just auto attack while you wait for it to hit max
But then why wouldnt you just play a tennokai melee build as then you are pretty much doing the exact same thing- aka light attacking > heavy attacking> light attacking, rinse and repeat AND disciple merit makes you get those full powered heavy attacks out much faster then the 5-7 seconds wait
Personally due to this i like the corrossive or armor one much more
That's actually very Easy to Answer...
Melee Crescendo wasn't made for people who like Melee.... It was Actually Made for People who Hate it or don't enjoy using it All The Time.... Such as Myself.
See... The last thing I want to do is Melee 24/7 non stop for a whole Mission... I would much Rather only Melee when something like an Acolyte shows Up ... Because I hate Melee that much.
What are the current best melee weapons in the game?
That will be irrelevant with the Arcanes. All of them will be beyond broken
Anything with the most range and damage radius. So polearms and glaives.
@@NaregChakhbasian that's for the boring casuals. You can reach same results by not wasting mods in range and further increasing damage. I only ever use range on really small range weapons like Daggers, Sparring and Fist weapons. And only because they simply lack a stance than can properly make them work. Same for staff though. We really need a good staff stance because they are simply garbage
why is jotaro in warframe
And what is he telling us we're late for?
we will never know@@edgyelectrokinetic6761
I believe you meant Aiden Joestar
Melee Retaliation with max shield Styanax+Intrepid Stand.
I need that tennokai gram build, i love that weapon!! :(
im a beginner, but are primary weapons still worth it? and what weapons (im running boltor, lex, and heat sword currently in saturn)
My boy you still need to grind and play a ton of hours and progress to even THINK about making these builds they're showing. Just keep completing ur star chart and do all the missions u can. You'll get there if u can really commit to this game. Goodluck my friend
@@marcoayala111 thanks bro
Yes primary weapons are still worth, HOWEVER at the point you are, pretty much everything will work out for you, unless it is the stug
whats your gram build? been trying to make it work again but no luck
MELEE INFLUENCE IS THE TRUTH 🗣🗣🗣 Godly arcane
It is super creative ^^
What's the blue sword on the title picture?
Yes i need to know how to get it! Looks beautiful
It’s a tennogen skin for heavy blades, mithra
So, I remembered that I have the parts for the pangolin prime and I was wondering why that weapon is better than the broken war