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Off Meta Slavs Play
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ย. 2021
- The normal meta gets stale every now and then. In this game BadBoy shows a unique way to approach playing with the Slavs civilization!
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Please make an off meta series as well as LEL. Its nice to see weird strategy from really experienced players.
Off Meta series yes plz
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Coolest thing to me is how Viper/Liereyy/Hera can dominate Badboy like he dominated teaa. Levels to the game
3:25 SC and SC2 have 3 races/civilizations (the way you prefer), and there are good and bad points of having a small list of civs:
1- Easier to balance;
2- Stability of the meta;
3- There isn't a "stronger" one, but a better adaptation to the game;
4- Better learning curve for players (debatable).
AoE2 and AoE4 (those are the ones I'm following) give a lot of options and a lot of optimization, and it scares a lot the new players. You need to learn how to play at land, know your civ strengths, weaknesses, advantages, timings, and compositions; then, learn all of your enemy civ strengths, weaknesses, advantages... THEN, learn how to counter your enemy civ. Apply it to 2x, because there is also water maps, which changes the gameplay a lot, and all those weaknesses and strengths change, and the cycle repeats.
Don't get me wrong - there isn't a better or worse IMO. Even though they are RTS, those are completely different games
I agree that they’re on almost opposite ends of the spectrum regarding complexity. I prefer the complexity over AoE2 over SC2 because it allows for so much creativity and no two games are the same. In SC2 I main Terran and I’m pretty much screwed if I don’t walk off against a Zerg player because they’ll just ling rush me. In AoE I usually wall most of all of my base by feudal age, but sometimes I just skip it entirely and I can still win. If I don’t walk off as Terran in SC2 it’s immediately gg. That kind of narrowness bothers me.
There Is much more variety with sc 3 factions...
@@kalinmir SC 3 ?!?!?!?
I think high-level AoE2 is about those tiny balance differences, but at its most fundamental, you are learning a bunch of different combinations of the same units with only minor differences, especially up until Castle Age, so you tend to win with superior macro and strategy. That is to say, a good infantry civ can play archer openings just fine, and even if you don't get the best upgrades, Knights are Knights, so if execute you eco as well as possible, you'll tend to win. To me, WC3 and AoE2 are at the opposite ends of RTS. WC3 is all about micro and your production buildings will often sit idle to avoid the upkeep tax while your military is constantly fighting to gain experience, and tiny things you can do with your hero units often decide the game. AoE2 is all about constantly making units and buildings, whether military or economy, and making the right transitions at the right times. To me, SC2 is a really nice middle ground, in that you get to have huge booms and large populations, but micro is a bigger part of the game, and unit compositions are often more diverse at all stages of the game, whereas varied unit compositions (what T90 calls AI compositions) in AoE2 often suck. Also, I think all AoE2 civs require you to have that macro base (except maybe when doing a Hoang rush), but SC2 factions have very different emphasis. For instance, Protoss is very micro-intensive because each unit hits hard, has recharging shields, and is expensive. Zerg is very macro-heavy because you need to support huge production. Terran, you can play with diverse comps, or you can spam Marines all game. I actually prefer AoE2 because it's such a macro game so it's not as stressful as Blizzard games. I find it funny that people blast AoE4 for not having micro because it lacked arrow dodging, when AoE2 remains mainly a macro game, and WC3 is far more micro-intensive despite projectile accuracy.
Isn't "Stability of meta" an objective bad thing? Stale meta is boring to play, boring to watch, boring to cast.
SC2 has Zerg, Protoss, Terran, and Burgundians.
I don't play SC so there was one brief moment where I had to consider whether this might actually be true. My brain made the dialup sound...
I'm with you T90. If AOE2 was banned, I'd go to AOE, rather than AOE3 or AOE4, sometimes developers go for graphics and lose sight of the game play.
I used to think the same thing, but going back to AOE1 is so hard. There are so many quality of life features in AOE2 like walking over farms, garrisonable TC, mixed units in queue, etc. that AOE1 just feels clunky. Don't get me wrong, AOE1 was a groundbreaking masterpiece, it's just that AOE2 took everything that the first did right, and fixed everything that it did wrong, and since then has had 20 years of updates to improve it further.
@@KatieGimple the difference between civ 3 and civ 2 or between civ 5 and civ 4 is equally jarring, going back feels icky in those cases
If aoe 1 had all of the quality of life features of aoe2 it'd be a great game, without that im mpre likely to play a different franchise altogether such as starcraft. That said aoe1 has an awesome single player campaign as well.
Edit: id love an aoe 2 mod that brings some of the units and factions from aoe 1.
Obviously close and hard fought games are usually the most entertaining, but every now and then you need some of that Memb-style "total domination" like this one :)
LEL here and the description about the armor on the skirmishers was super helpful and informative.
With the militia line being more viable units like war elephants suddenly have a purpose. Good job devs.
If BadBoy was playing serious then he would've mixed in a few monks for the elephants and ended the game
@Theodore Ovaska or he would have made more than 2 onagers at a time, or started making scorpions after he got the upgrade instead of trickling in 100 champs first, or mixed in some halbs with the champs, or (etc.....)
Badboy:
(00:00-39:59):I'll send spams of champions to keep teaa distracted while I work on my eco
(40:00-40:09): it's time to stop teaa suffering
Best to talk to your doctor about any wood issues you're having.
Not even Dr. Omorawo expected this.
I am trying to see if anyone likes my idea for choosing civs in a tournament. Each player starts with an initial snipe of 5 civs and then they snipe 5 more each game. It might need to be 4 if there is a best of 7. The purpose would be to see more civs.
22:00 'you need to make wood with those farms' yeah thats pretty much how my buddys would sound if they would spectate me
I love how your videos aren't packed with adds
Yep, 2 decades for me with AOE 2...and still best game ever!!!
Shame didn't see more elephants earlier, they were easily handling the Champions and Teaa wasn't spending gold on anything else.
More elephants could've been the play but xbows were really not doing to well against Imperial age units
the elephant xbow combo kind of shredded that infantry though, there was a window where Teaa could have capitalized on that and made a big push since he already had some trebs to back it up
I main Slavs :)
I don't always go into cav when I hit castle age.
I tend to prefer infantry and siege. I just love siege.
15:49 pretty sure he was camping the relic with those knights -- unfortunately for him BadBoy had a second monk as backup
One champion here... Doing the lord's work 😂😂😂
When making infantry with an "infantry" civ is off meta.
The video that T90 simultaneously talks about how varried the mid game can be, and is suprised anyone is crazy enough to try a different mid game strategy.
Slavs have 10 percent farming boost, so that means 30 farms with Slavs is like 33 with other civs right ? How can it be like 45 ?
I bet it's just that having 3 farms worth of extra food feels like more than it really is, since you didn't "need" that extra food and so the reserves pile up quickly (TC still works just as fast, unlike Persians, so you can't really spend food on vils any faster than a normal build order). Also according to Spirit of the Law the slav bonus is actually a little bit more than the advertised 10%, so there's that too.
Age of Empires 2 has 39 civ's but only 1-2 unique units per civ.
Starcraft 2 has 3 completely different races that have 100% unique units for all 3, and a massive variety of build orders and strategies for each race.
Even with 39 civilizations in aoe2, sc2 has more unique units in total with only 3 races. Aoe2 also doesnt have any unique mechanics that only specific civs have, where as sc2 even how you create population space is different for each race, how you make units is different for each race, even how buildings are constructed are different for each race: zerg sacrifice a worker and they become the building over time, terran workers drop a foundation and work at it until they finish and then they can go back to w/e like in aoe2, and protoss have to place a power source (pylon) and then in the field of influence of the pylon they can warp in buildings, the probes just need to go there and then can immediately leave and the structure builds itself.
It terms of variety, sc2 has much much more variety even with only 3 races compared to aoe2's 39 civs when you compare unique units, build variety, and mechanics. But aoe 2 has more map variety and is easier to play at a low level
Good summary. Aoe2s brilliances comes from the subtleties and overall complexity of the game not from the huge number of factions.
I would love to see T90 play Starcraft on stream, at least the campaign.
20:53 Yea, that knight should better switch sides and get free medical care instead of dying to some peasant's knife or stray arrow later. No wonder he chose the first option.
That final siege army is the dream army i usually make only against AI. Great game
Is this one more zoomed in than normal T90 videos ?
LETS GOOOOO!!!
Brandon!!!
To be fair, I think teaa shouldn't have resigned before than he did, sure he was under a lot of pressure and hadn't much control of the map, but until the castle went down he put up a pretty nice defensive battle there. Resigning with 4 TC, 2 castles and 170 pop doesn't make much sense to me
Anyone else have the COPS theme song stuck in their head now?
if there were 300 champs this could have been the Slavic recreation of the film 300
I was confused in red and blue in starting alot because of the opposite tc placement
T90 I fucking love your videos
Давай!!
Everytime he says bodkin arrow I hear bodcanaro...
How could you not know that there are only three different factions in Starcraft 2?
"textbook stuff" :-D
Actually if Badboy didn't take some villagers out of food, he'd prolly reach around 64k
Took out 20 vils from food when he had 84 vils on farms
This is a lot more fun that KotD4
GG!
I have confused 20times because of the red is on the blue side
good video
ELEPHANTOS
Say it with me, Tristan: Sl-AH-vs, not Sl-EH-vs.
When we will get Game of the Strong?
BEST GAME EVAR!!!!1111
Really? A British player named 'teaa' -_-
For those wondering, an overdog is an updog.
Wow, thanks, now I never have to ask "what's updog?"
T90, would you ever consider a tutorialish series on the custom mods, like CBA, roll the dice, zombies, and roll play. I feel like it is a hard learning curve for noobs(like me) to get started in joining and hosting that part of AOE2.
I see elephantos I click
So this is what happens when u dnt resign and the other player is just better and has a strong civ. I feel like I wouldn't be as confident as badboy to troll so much but it shows he pretty cocky and knows he has it under control.
I wish the elephant units were more meta on the pro level. I see so mamy high level players play as the Indians or Vietnamese, but never make they're unique elephants.
T90 you are the trees to my forest nothing
Thought that title said "Off Meta Slave Play". What happens when a LEL plays with 2k+
Hype
Interesting that Starcraft only has 3 civs. Imagine if AoE2 only had 3 civs, what would you want those three civs to be?
Britons
Franks/teutons
Goths
@@99Teutons Interesting choice
@@99Teutons I would go with Mongols, Franks, and Japanese
Huns, Huns, and Huns
Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas
But I don’t think the competitive scene would be very stable
Why do we not see champions that often? Awsome game
I think it's because champions are countered by arbalest and knights, and *most* Imp comps are either arb/ light cav or skirms/ cavaliers. So the on meta build order counters champions both ways.
Damn that was an interesting game
Over dog... lol
Bro... the chat box in the bottom right at 2:30. WTF?
Yeah, I also saw that sort of thing on one of Viper's AOE IV streams a few days ago. Weird.
ya but starcraft factions are completely different
Come on UK 🇬🇧
Not one Teaa90 joke?
no Persian BBCs :/
Please help me find an store that would sell me the game. It's unavailable on steam, Microsoft store and Xbox live. I have all other games and version of the age games available for purchase, except age 2 dh. :( Is there a physical copy :(
Check Steam again. It's there.
i bought Age of Empires 2 definitive edition on steam a couple months ago.
note: og physical copies of age 2 are different from definitive edition.
SPOILER
This was a good match.
294 champions lol
Soo slavs strong?
Heh, I'm honestly surprised that a pro RTS caster doesn't know that there are three factions in the most popular RTS series of all time.
2nd... love your content
Artosis still plays 20 year old StarCraft, AoE 2 still has a lot of time left.
I have ntn but love and respect for T90 ... but lately something has been kinda lacking. Not sure whether it's passion but it kinda feels like you just creating content mate ... and I say this with the utmost respect.
5:00 arrows always hitting is one of the reasons I think AoE4 is so much better than AoE2 already..
990 food per minute, pathetic
Blue was a victim of this ridiculous mass-TC meta, he could just go 2TC CA instead of Xbows. But meta.
@ 4:49 I could not agree with you more, T90.
AoE4 has some nice ideas with technology, but the rest of it is TOTAL CRAP !!! 😠💩
Visually, it is IMPOSSIBLE to watch for a start. 👀😢 And we only have to listen to players who came across from AoE2 to hear the other multitude of flaws and bugs. Shite.
M 🦘🏏😎
What a dumb comment from T90 re. AOE2 having much more variety than other RTS games like Star/WarCraft. They have completely different races where there's not a single common unit, building, tech, etc. All AOE2 civs are virtually identical except 1 unique unit apiece, different bonuses of which most are boring % better things, and certain units/techs aren't available. Everything else is the exact same thing.