✅ Improve Your Signal! Add External Antennas - T-Mobile 5G Home Internet Rural Broadband - How To
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- Step by step how to add external antennas to the T-Mobile 5G Home Internet Nokia Gateway. This uses the U.FL ports on the gateway and allows you to hook up a 4G/5G Panel antenna, Yagi antenna or similar using SMA or N-type connectors.
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Parts I used:
U.FL to SMA adaptor cables: amzn.to/3dL2gHv
U.FL to N-type adaptor cables: amzn.to/3dK0G8I
Adapter Cable SMA Male to TS9 Female: amzn.to/3wVyzfj
11 dbi panel antenna: amzn.to/3dHawrP
Waveform dual LPDA "yagi" kit with cables/mount: amzn.to/3zVcKhR
Netgear indoor antenna (also need TS9 adapter): amzn.to/3wE66dR
T-Mobile is just now rolling out 5G service and their software on these gateways (and their home internet phone app) are a bit buggy but I have faith they will continue to improve it. Right now it is a great option for those with no other reliable FAST internet. I have had AT&T DSL that gets about 25mbs down and 6mbs second up and I'll say its been rock steady the past several years.
If you have cable, fiber or 50+ mbs DSL you are probably better off sticking with that for a while until T-Mobile and others get the 5G fixed wireless fully setup and kinks worked out. This is much cheaper and potentially faster than Starlink especially for upload but Starlink covers (will cover...) all the REALLY rural places.
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Parts I used:
U.FL to SMA adaptor cables: amzn.to/3dL2gHv
U.FL to N-type adaptor cables: amzn.to/3dK0G8I
BUY IT: Get 5% off Waveform antenna and signal booster products with this link: www.waveform.com/natertater or just use code "NATERTATER" at checkout. Then you can go to the 4x4 MIMO Antenna product page: www.waveform.com/products/4x4-mimo-panel-kit
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I’ve had my gateway setup for a while now with external antennas without issue until today. I found myself back at your video to learn how to slide the 5g antenna to the side to split the modem in half to make the ports easier to access. I’m thankful beyond belief for this video thank you thank you
Really cool that you went the extra mile, looking forward to the next video to see how this is linking to the external antenna on the roof.
Ka thanks, more details coming!
Looking forward to seeing your results using the external antennae.
A guy named 007Bond on the TMO discussion board (T mobile home internet subsection) just installed a Waveform antenna and went from 75 down to 650 down. He's in a different situation from us though. He's between three towers fairly close by, including one that is only .5 miles away, and his problem was not connecting to the fast band pair with n41 reliably.
Best how to video I’ve seen on this! Great work Nate.
Wow, thanks!
Thanks for the video!
As a side note, I could listen to your voice all day.
You're welcome! I don't have 24hrs of videos up yet but I suppose you could play them on repeat. 😂
I'll definitely try this. From my experience the Nokia gateway's internal antenna are the weakest of the T-mobile gateway line up. Probably why t-mobile stopped issuing them.
Thank you so much for sharing this video! My speeds have jumped from 28 to an avg of 77, plus the tips for finding the best signal with the antenna 📡 and cell mapping, working on UPnP and nat from mod to open. Have not tried the tp-link router yet, afraid if I do set that up I'll lose my good connection.
Thanks again for sharing.
You're welcome!
I really liked your video and how you showed every step unlike many other videos that skipped steps. Keep up the good work. I just got T-Mobile and it is working well, but I will probably do this upgrade a little later..
Thanks for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed it.
You’re a brave man for taking that apart and possibly avoiding your warranty. I’m excited to see what you have in store for us in your next video of the series
Just dont tell TMO... 🤫🤐
There is no warranty per say as tmobile doesn't sell the unit. Customers only borrow it. If you don't return it they charge you $370. I know this because I asked a rep when ordering.
@@NaterTater They'll probably start putting seals on these units to prevent tampering. 😄
@@pauljoseph2400Their newer gateways (Sagemcomm & Arkadyan) do have at least one screw hidden under a sticker, but the good old Nokia Trashcan doesn't.
I have been using my Nokia/T-Mobile 5G home base since August 23, 2021. Thank you for keeping this video up on TH-cam. My issue is the Battery. It is not charging. I can see it trying to charge the battery on the top display. I also read the alert about low battery life. It is not a firmware update. I collected all the information from the bottom label to see if I can find a replacement. It looks like I will have to view the battery itself once I open it up. 😀
You can just unplug/remove the battery.
Hey Nate,just want to say thank you again for all these videos you put out,truly have helped me so much,my great aunt and uncle live in a rural area and i was wanting to get them t mobile with the Nokia router (or modem whichever one it is) and add external antennas which in result would letthem stream their movies,my question is how can i get t mobile to send me the Nokia router instead of the newer buggy ones,can i ask them right out of the gate to have that?what do you suggest
This helped out alot. Went from 35 mb down 10 up to 110mb down around 40 - 50 mb up ping is around 30-50. Thank you sir !!!!
You're welcome!
Thank you for this very informative instruction!! We did it!! With your help we were able to install the u.fl cables, and wow! The external antenna connected to those tiny u.fl wires in the router have made a noticeable improvement. Thank you!
Glad it helped!
What size Phillips and bits do you need
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Maybe on the next teardown video us a go pro on your head? I've seen a lot of build and teardown videos using this to really show detail and be able to translate the process well to the audience and put the viewer right in the driver's seat. Cheers and keep the videos coming!
Yes, its the Video that is sadly lacking here.
OK Nate, I just got my silver trash can in today and found that my signal is only 2 bars. And I was thinking about doing the same thing to it. Then I get a notice from TH-cam that told of this video. I am now paused @:30 seconds to say thank you again for another informing video.. I have already ordered the SMA-U.FL pigtails. Now back to the movie... lol
Glad I can help! Sounds like i am keeping you busy...lol
@@NaterTater Yes but that is a good thing Nate. I can't wait for those pigtails to get here, because this thing is a dog with only 2 bars. I have a set of Yagi antennas outside that are on the tower @ 50ft. for the MOFI 4500 router that I will use. This should be a big boost for it.
dude thanks for the pro tip on the last 4 screws!! i was working with it still sealed up before and it was terrible lol -- thanks again
I was surprised no one else mentioned those yet. My short fat fingers wouldnt get in there otherwise!
Same! The last 4 screws and opening it up more was crucial!
Well, Nate, with your help I added an external antenna to my Nokia gateway I used your links, the hardest part was getting the new connectors to snap on to the circuit board. It's still inside, I have to mount it outside but so far it's not a major difference but is very noticeable. I will let you know when I get it installed outside, anyway, thanks for your help.
You're welcome!
very cool.. thanks for putting this together for people. looking forward to seeing your antenna tests next :)
No problem Raz!
This is an excellent video. Thank you Nate, wonderful job.
You're welcome Hank!
"Take it apart more. Which makes a lot of sense if you're trying not to mess things up more, right? That's a joke."
It was at this moment that we established a Vulcan mind-meld.
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Good morning from Texas.
Do you have a video that shows how to hook up to the antenna and what kind of connector you need
I just wanted to see the configuration of the antennas for optimal placement in my apartment. Getting speeds from 50-200 with 5G! Thanks for the informative video.
You're welcome!
will the 4x4 MIMO Log Periodic antenna kit work with the T-Mobile Sagemcom FAST 5688W gateway?
Thanks for the video. Did you find that any particular 2 antenna connectors gave the best results? I went with the two bottom ones as on Waveform but I am not getting the improvement I was hoping for.
I didnt notice a real difference between 1&2 or 3&4. I did not try other combinations though.
@@NaterTater why can’t I do all four?
I think it's pretty cool that Gary Sinise is doing these videos. :-P
Oh hell, that made me laugh along with Lt. Dan. It is a compliment. The content is great. Thank you.
You're welcome!
Hey Nate I have had the T-Mobile home internet for about 1 month. I have three bars on my router and on the gateway page my speeds range around 200 mbps down and 50- 60 mbps up. So way better than I had with DSL . I bought two of the Nokia beacons but you have to plug one into the back of the gateway to get them to work because you can’t access the mesh network settings. Also here’s a question would a window signal booster help a persons upload and download or not? Thanks
Hey Wes, have you tried the Nokia Wifi app? It has the option to add a beacon...not sure if it works though but free for you to try (and let me know!). Signal boosters may help your upload but in my opinion not worth the cost.
Hi Nate! Love your channel! I have a question that may make for a good video. (What would happen if you were to connect a signal booster directly to a cellular home internet modem “T-Mobile” then signal booster to external antenna?) Curious to see what the results would be.
Hi, thanks for watching. Here's a similar video th-cam.com/video/bboYE4qcfDM/w-d-xo.html
Awesome video! Thank you!!!
Glad you liked it! Thanks for tuning in.
So with a 4x4 antenna would you not use port 1, 2 ,4 , 5? Bc my 4x4 does nothing for 1, 2 ports.
Hi Nater. Thanks for the great video. I observed you only installed one (1) antenna. How many antenna would you or anyone else recommend to install? Should there be a pair on one and two? Can we install four (4) wires? Will there be any advantage? We are willing to give this a try, just want to disassemble unit once. Ty for any assistance.
Dawn, check out this video th-cam.com/video/vbzOMSIcrUg/w-d-xo.html
Excellent video, great tutorial, well explained. Thank you
Thanks for the compliments!
Ok I have my antenna and cable ready to go. Just need the time to put it all together. I’ll be looking forward to seeing your results on the different antenna. Great video!
Good to hear Richard!
@@NaterTater I did a simple test over the weekend with the external antenna. Interesting results.
@@rickslife what was the result?
I'm following all of your videos and now I want to add an external antenna. All the links to antennas including the panel antenna you have listed have a frequency range of 698 - 2700 MHz. But the N71 5G frequency range is 617 MHz - 652 MHz. So what good are these antenna's and can you recommend a panel antenna that has the appropriate frequency range for N71?
Antennas natural have a curve of freq response so ones listed as 700-2700mhz doesnt mean they dont recieve 699 or 2701 mhz nor does it mean they pick up 700 or 2700 that well. It all depends on the antenna. Waveform sells one that is marketed at 600+ mhz.
Man Nate, you have the patience of a saint taking that router apart! I did have a question concerning bands used. I originally had just B12 as a primary and no secondary channel . One morning I turned off the router and turned it back on and noticed I now had B66 as primary and N41 as a secondary channel. Yesterday I had to do some electric work, shut the power and when the router came back up it was back to B12 and no secondary channel. I contacted t-Mobile who said they don't set the channels and couldn't put me with 5G channel and advised to try and reboot to see of it goes back to a primary and secondary 5G channel . No luck though. I use Ooma as a voip serviçe and had issues with dropped calls. They state my jitter is to high (12 )and needs to be around 5. The 5g channel seemed to have less jitter and worked good with Ooma. My wife has a defibrillator implant and a device that reads the unit and transmits info through voip to the doctor. Is it true T Mobile can't designate channels? It really gets frustrating. Thanks so much for your t-mobil TH-cam series. They're filled with excellent advice.
Correct there is no way to manually select bands. You can try different locations in the house, it goes for the strongest signal. Another trick can be to literally wrap the gateway in tin foil for a few mins and see if it changes bands.
I've heard of this issue. There is seemingly no fix
@@yfs9035 would require a firmware patch or mod for band locking.
@@NaterTater ok that what I have it not sure if mimoo 2by 2 will make a big difference but I'ma do what you show on ur vids.. exact my router can't change mtu setting unless is pppoe connection 😐
Nate Is there a place or site to by a Nokia gateway with the antenna leads already installed? Or a mail in service?
Not that I know of but you can get a 3rd party gateway with external antenna ports on it already: th-cam.com/video/ZYoGTh-1Kio/w-d-xo.html
Great technical content! Very clear audio. But the video should be MUCH closer or zoomed in, about 80% of the video image is just background.
Noted. Should have done a head or chest gopro.
So I bit the bullet and bought the waveform 4X4 Mimo antenna package. Seems Starlink is going to keep delaying availability in our area of Virginia. My biggest concern was i have a shaking issue with my hands. I am 63 years old. But it did not affect the install of the very small u.fl connectors. I did exactly as Nater notes in his video. I worked from 4,3,2 then 1. I was really impressed how easy it was once I took apart the Nokia cylinder. I did run into a issue with putting back together. I was not able to get a click on the last leg of the bottom base resulting in my sim card not being read. My guess is it was because how I routed the wires in the bottom grill area. They kind of got bunched up around that area. But I was able to push down on the plastic base and screw it into the position it needed to read the sim. The results are amazing. I went from 25 DL and 5-10 UL to 112 DL and 55UL. So massive improvement. I am 2 miles and lots of hills and trees away from our tower. And I only had a 8 foot pole so I am sure I can improve if I wanted to put the antenna on the roof. Thanks Nater Tater for your videos and great advise on rural internet.
Great to hear! Happy to help, great job.
You're my go-to expert on this stuff Nate. I just got my trashcan two days ago and now it appears outdated though I just watched your video of the new gateway and looks like I'm good with the Trashcan for a while. We are in rural Texas on 5-acreswith very few options. Our speeds tend to be all over the place at any given time. and I'm wondering if we would benefit from an external antenna, though based upon your reviews of them, it appears to not be the case. Our topography is rolling hills and no line of site to a tower, though we could from the rooftop of our home. Do you think it's worth a test? Should I consider an external router for a mesh network? Would appreciate your input if you're willing to share. Also, we also have spotty wi-fi calling at times though our speeds can be sufficient. I have a android phone and the others are 4G iPhones. Have you considered publishing a video specifically testing wi-fi calling? Thanks, and I look forward to hearing back from you!
Hey, I'm testing out a waveform antenna kit right now. May yield better results than my past antennas. external router won't help the ISP speeds but may make your local network more consistent and help with mutliple devices. wifi calling has been troublesome with me on several ISP's, I often disable wifi-calling.
@@NaterTater Thanks for the input. I was looking at the Waveform product as well, look forward to viewing your review.
@@rustxranch1220 a bit late on this and not sure if itll help, but i live in texas as well 10 miles from nearest tower. I used the griddy parabolic antenna in 2x2. Also around hills and woods. But i have a tower i can climb and set them up. I usually connect to n41 band and get speeds from 100 to 400 down. 50 at the slowest with upload around 40. I had a panel antenna before which is supposed to help get through the woods and it worked too, just weak signal speeds around 25 to 50 down.
Thanks, great info. Eager to see how the flat black window antenna helps. Coincidentally my T-Mobile bands went in the toilet today after 3 weeks of incident free service. Already had one unproductive conversation with their support, but another may be needed. Grrr.
Did you try messenging them on FB or similar social media?
@@NaterTater Are you asking or suggesting? I do not know how to get tech support other than to call them at 844-275-9310. I even asked once if email or web based support was available and was told that "only phone support is available at this time" (not sure if that was a hint of things to come, but AFAIK nothing has changed). Their support is quite infuriating. As if lack of an electronic support channel wasn't bad enough, I only get a competent rep about 25% of the time. And that's after waiting for hours for the callback and then being put in a queue when they do call back. And this abysmal support will only get worse as towers get more congested. Cox got under my skin for different issues, but their support blows the doors off T-Mobile.
I do have T-Mobile connectivity again, but something has changed. Right now I can only connect to n71. I'd much rather have the blazing download speed of n41 though.
@@nbi4220 go here and message them. facebook.com/TMobile/
Hey Nater.... I have the same router but my signal is really bad and I m thinking to do the same think with a external antenna .... Pura Vida ....
Appreciate the detail.
Any antenna w/band 71 support you recommend? I'm not quite LOS unfortunately. Thanks!
th-cam.com/video/vbzOMSIcrUg/w-d-xo.html antenna links in the description of that video.
Which Antennas would you recommend from waveform ? Yagi mimo or panel mimo antennas. I am 2 miles from tower got some trees blocking my view of tower.
If you dont have direct line of sight go with the panel one.
@@NaterTater Thanks
Hi Nate, My tower is due north.
If the Logo is on the front & the power & RJ-45 ports are at the back, for best reception which "side" of the Nokia should be facing to the north?
In my experience the front (with logo) should face a little left of the tower. So slightly northwest in your case.
@@NaterTater 2 things have happened since my original trial/setup;
1 All the trees are fully leaved now
2 Speedtest was pinging in the teens 200 miles to Nashville, now always pings 35ms 450 miles to Dallas.
All winter I was B2 & n71 now B66 & n41 ;/
Rebooted some more and Speedtest auto-ping is back to Nashville. Pings in mid 20s now.
Can you pls do a tear down of that antenna and make a pcb pdf on that antenna? So we can make it using household stuff
I tried a waveform panel external antenna on #3 and #4 and didn’t notice much difference at all. I have line of sight so I’m going to try waveform’s log periodic antenna kit. Would you suggest I try the log periodic antenna kit on 1&2 or 3&4?
3&4 was slightly better than 1&2 for me.
Great video! I would guess the L-port numbers connect to the corresponding 5g antenna numbers. Example L1-5g1, L2-5g2, etc.
You know i didnt check but that seems logical.
I was wondering if anyone has tested the performance by just removing the cover.
I saw one video which said the silver/grey paint is likely made with metal particles, but they had already installed the external antennas, so they weren’t testing it that way.
when going the netgear antenna route- is that 2x2 MIMO or is it for 4x4 MIMO?
2x2 would have two antenna connections. 4x4 has four.
I seen a used gateway for 20 bucks. If I bought a used gateway could I use the anttenas off it and add more anttenas to my existing gateway? Would that help increase my download speed? I don't know if they sale a splitter. But you have multiple gateways might be interesting to see if that does anything.
That would not help.
What tools do you recommend buying at Lowes to do the job installing an external WiFi antenna T-Mobile 5G Home Internet Device?
These are external cellular antennae not wifi ones but you just need a small phillips, a T10 torx and a flathead screw driver. I had a cheap $10 Husky screw driver/but set that I used.
Do you have any links to the 3d printed mounts you mention to support the connectors?
3d printed t-mobile cooling fan units here: www.etsy.com/shop/DC3Dprojects
How did you get this unit? Did you have to use an address out in the sticks since it's not available in any cities I've checked?
Its available in much of the US.
So we got our antenna installed and we have tried a few different configurations so far including the original recommended configuration on the Waveform page, but so far we have had no luck getting a good connection with ours. The signal keeps dropping off. I will keep playing with it over the next few days. I have limited time because I am working long hours to boot so it has been a struggle. But do you have any suggestions? I am worried that we might have damaged one of the pins which is my biggest fear. They were so hard to get to snap on.
Hi Autumn, check out some of my placement/help videos here: Waveform Cellular Antennas for T-Mobile and Verizon Home Internet: th-cam.com/play/PL8d9FovK2dNS1HuMabIm8hspYa7nlXpPP.html
There is a chance you damaged a connector, you should be able to look at it with a magnifying glass or even camera zoom to see it its bent.
@@NaterTater I figured it out, I didn't realize to only connect 2 of the 4 leads, for some reason that made a HUGE difference and I have a signal again. It is not the fastest internet in the world but faster than we had so we are happy! Thank you for your video I guess somehow I missed you mentioning that before I watched it several times before I caught it. lol
Thought about it but, too much work to get a better signal. I have a N41 band. RSRP -100, 1.5 SNR . Just need to move from basement to first level. Better signal. Hopefully, T-mobile will make a port in the next model. I can get 3 bars upstairs with slightly better numbers. 2 bars in basement. Used to be 3 bars in basement. I just want the 4 or 5 bars because I like to maximize but I'll pass on the antenna work.
do you have any cheap indoor attena recommendations under $50? I understand it wont help too much I just need a small boost
Used one maybe. Otherwise just focus on positioning your gateway perfectly (ie ceiling, maybe sideways, etc).
@@NaterTater Gotcha ty.
hey, fellow rural Michigander here. do you have a video in here somewhere about setting up a router with the 5g black tower? 4 teenagers here and bandwidth is pretty stretched
Hello. Not perfectly but here's one on the topic th-cam.com/video/NsiLFP9_HtY/w-d-xo.html
do you have a video on the same thing but how to take apart the new t mobile 5G gateway?
Of course! Both the Arcadyan and Sagemcom. See them in the playlist T-Mobile Home Internet 5G 4G LTE Wireless: th-cam.com/play/PL8d9FovK2dNQHp0KWk8gG8XXvaKzaoSB3.html
I added a pair of Yagi antennas to mine and it works pretty good (once you get it pointed correct ... LOl !!) ... I DO however have to play with the rotation a bit with the unit itself since (in my case) the internal antennas inside the unit (the two remaining antennas) they interact with the pair of outdoor antennas and it does indeed affect my signal to noise of the 4g ..... anyone else experience this at all???? (considering adding a 2nd 2x2 Mimo outside and that should end the antenna problem.... I did read recently where one guy disconnected the 2nd pair of internal antennas...
I have an arcadyan unit and I added the waveform external antenna. Worked for a month then stopped immediately with WAN002 error (rebooted/reset with no luck). Would the external antennas cause the unit to heat up and have a meltdown... more requiring the addition of a cooling fan? T mobile app still shows freq connections to 4G and 5G and good to very good signals. Just no internet functionality...
Try removing and reinstalling the SIM card. Let me know if it fixes your issue.
@@NaterTater No joy. Still same error :(
@@NaterTater Just an update. Got a replacement Arcadyan unit and same no internet issue/WAN002 on panel error. After calling t mobile home internet support several times, they elevated my case and I was given a case number (engineer to work on issue) 5 days ago. Yesterday it started working wohoo! With the recent April/May tower upgrades, speeds tripled now. Ordered a double bearing cooling fan to complete the setup--
What order, if any, do I hook up the 4X4 to the T-Mobile Arcadian gateway? I cant find anything and the arcadian is labeled differently than the trash can
Check out the 3min mark in th-cam.com/video/Qb0nTV9rev0/w-d-xo.html
What about instead using a wireless signal booster (like SureCall Flare Cell Phone Signal Booster). I am sure its not as effective but would not require modifying the T-Mobil hardware. Would this even work with this sort of device (as opposed to a cell phone...).
I have this same question! I just ordered an Amazboost from Amazon after reading a review stating that someone used it for this. It has free returns, so we’ll see how it goes!
It will work but not as well as an external antenna.
Can you use output of booster with a splitter into theses gateway input 3,4?
I'm not sure, I'd guess no.
I would like to ask a question, please if we get cell phone signal booster would it help get better signal on 5G gateway? Please advice. Thanks
In many cases no. Stronger signal but also stronger noise/interference so likely not big improvement in speed. Antenna is your best option.
@@NaterTater thanks for clarifying! Really appreciate
Hey my man is this possible with the new rectangular gateways? If so could you make a video on how? thanks!
Your wish is my command th-cam.com/video/g-oKre_RSYg/w-d-xo.html
I have an old TV antenna on an old climbable post that is taller than my house.
The antenna has the old aluminum fingers.
Could this antenna be used ?
Not likely. Needs to be an antenna and cable (50ohm) that is specifically for cellular freq.
How can you tell if your problem is weak signal versus an overloaded tower? My speed vary widely from 56/16 (D/U) to
If your signal specs are staying the same i agree you might just be seeing an overloaded tower. Those are typical off peak and peak times you mentioned.
Hi love the video
I'm trying to connect my Asus router but Its not working telling me limited connection?
What settings do I have to change on the TMobile gateway device any help would be appreciated thank you
Check your DNS. Change it.
@@NaterTater change it to No? Right thanks for the info what about the settings on the TMobile gateway device leave it alone? Just connect Ethernet cable
@@CROW_BH11 you can change the DNS to no (gets from tmobile gateway) or any other DNS til you find one that works ok. There are no settings to change on the gateway other than wifi.
@@NaterTater thank you so much for your time appreciate it
Exactly what cables do I need to order? Looks like three different things you have linked. Thanks
You have to match the cables to the ends on the antenna you buy.
@@NaterTater thanks for the response. Seen that after I commented.
Excellent instructional video. I have a technical question; can someone help me with this? Can I use a Dual Mimo Outdoor Antenna-4G LTE WiFi Omni-Directional Antenna ?
Yes you can! th-cam.com/video/lA0W1XRU4J8/w-d-xo.html
Have you added your antenna comparison video yet? I can't find it.
Goes live at 4pm today. Most of my video launches are Thursday 4pm EST
I signed up when this was on sale for 25.00/mo in december. My signal has either been excellent or very good without any external antenna, but I'm only about 1/4 mile from the tower.
Lucky! Awesome
Can you tell us which TS-9 adapter you used?
Justin, I used this one. amzn.to/2QQjGKQ.
Thanks for the great video! I just purchased a single parabolic antenna(The Long Ranger
Ultra High Gain Parabolic Antenna) thinking it would work with this gateway. You mentioned that you need to use antennas with two wires....I missed that part the first time I watched prior to ordering. Could you confirm and elaborate that this will not work. Thank you!
The gateway expects MIMO so it needs two ports/cables for that. You can buy another long ranger and use two of them. That's what people do with log periodic antennas.
Hi, again, Nate- I decided to continue with the trashcan instead of the Acadian, because the trashcan allows you to select your desired wifi channel, and when it reboots, it always comes back up on the same selected wifi channel. Acadian may select a new channel for you upon reboot. Have you tried connecting a N41 band (only) antenna to any of the trashcan ports? My trashcan always locks on the N41 as the Secondary Signal internet connection, with the Primary always being B2 or B66. B66 is good, but B2 has a lousy ping. The primary RSRP is around -100 and SNR from 3 to 8, but the secondary is much worse at about -112 and 6, respectively. The trashcan's internal antennas are all marked "5G", which doesn't tell you whether it is for the 700-900 mHz range or the 2.5 ghz N41 band. I want to put a 2.5 ghz only antenna on port 3 or 4 to improve the N41 signal, leaving the other port, 4 or 3, connected to the trashcan's internal antenna. Have you tried somethibg like this? This should work, as these ports are paired (I think) to allow for "diversity reception", via a 90-degree hybrid combiner for each pair 1-2 and 3-4. I cannot run 4 coax cables for a 4X4 MIMO antenna over the required distance using "fat" low loss coax, so a single cable is a must. Thanks for all you do on these.
You dont want to run a single antenna but you can do a 2x2 MIMO. th-cam.com/video/ED4a913fOl0/w-d-xo.html 5G will always show up as secondary on the Nokia, thats normal.
@@NaterTater Thanks, Nate!
I wonder if you insert an AT&T sim into the gateway will it work?
There are many cellular based modems that would allow that and be a much better option due to extra settings. You can buy the Nokia Fastmile gateway (that this tmo gateway is based on but has less user adjustable settings). So long as at&t sim isnt IMEI locked it would work.
how can you stop speed inconsistency? sometimes speedtest gave me speeds 100s 200s 300s always 2 bars.and sometimes horrible speeds, but good or bad speeds if i go to my PC or cellphones it takes forever to load any page.
Download speed will vary based on network congestion. To improve page load I would use a custom DNS server and/or your own router which offers better QoS.
Got t--mobile internet the cylinder arrived yesterday. I live in north Texas. Got 4 bars reception.
download speed 2.07mb/s upload 23.40mb/s I live in a good sized town also...lmao
how do you deal with modem restarts ? like ours drops signal or disconnects from the internet.
I dont, i used a fan when i had the nokia. Now i use 3rd party gateways.
I have a new tmoble trashcan and hooked a waveform 4x4 to it. Now the app isnt working and I can't connect my PS4 or Roku to the wifi. Also says no signal (before I installed the 4x4 it was "weak") now it just says no signal lol. I figure it's a firewall issue or DNs since it won't allow my devices to connect
That's not a firewall or DNS issue. Those dont prevent devices from connecting to the wifi. Make sure all your antenna leads are properly seated and check the sim card (remove and reinstall) and reboot the gateway making sure the power cord is fully seated.
I have this same router. When I first got it, it worked great. It's been almost 2 months now that I have horrible service. My internet is so slow. We can't watch movies anymore. But I have also noticed my phones are slow as well. Will installing one of these antennas help both my internet and phones? I've called Tmobile multiple times and they are no help.
It may very well be that more folks are now using the service which ultimately limits the bandwidth available to everyone. It slowed down a bit for us too BUT it still gets the job done for well over a hundred a month less than Cox was charging us. We kept going well over the 1 TB limit and had to pay multiple overage fees monthly. We used 8TB last month and the bill was still only 50 bucks. Tmobile kicks butt. They changed the cellular industry for the better and at this rate they'll be making the cable and telecom companies think twice. What I did on my phone periodically in high congestion areas was switch my signal from 5g to 4g as most folks are now pulling from the 5g. It'll give you potentially more bandwidth to play with. :)
Hey I know this is an old video but I need help. My gateway I was given has a messed up power port. Could you please somehow tell me/show me how to take it apart and fix it?
T-mobile will replace it for free.
@@NaterTater Yea I just got off the phone with them after being on hold. And you was right! Tysm! On top of that thank you for actually replying, Not many TH-camrs do so, Lots of respect!
@@MetallikArmata 😎👍
so if your external is hooked to ports 3 and 4, could you leave 1 and 2 disconnected? Force the signal to come off the external?
I think I've tried that, and it never connects when the other 2 are unplugged, when I plugged them back up, it worked....But it didn't hemp me at all , I think it's because the yagi's I have are for 4g only and not 5g
How are you able to see which bands you are connected to? Which apps are you using?
Arby, check out my playlist that covers many of the common questions T-Mobile Home Internet 5G 4G LTE Wireless: th-cam.com/play/PL8d9FovK2dNQHp0KWk8gG8XXvaKzaoSB3.html
Why the hell doesn't TMO include an external antenna port and sell them as an option?!
Do you have to put the silver case back on for any reason?
Yes, in order to return it to t-mobile
@@NaterTater I meant for it to work. I ordered the wagi style 4x4 they will be here Wednesday just wondering if I need to fully reassemble It for it to function. If not I may leave the silver case off. In
@@shifty198885 😂I know, just trying to be funny. You can leave it off, just don't misplace the shell for whenever you have to return it.
@@NaterTater Just installed the adapter wires from waveform i have the 4x4 mimo style. Your video helped alot. Having big hands attaching the 4 wires to the board was the hardest part for me.
I have the same unit from T-M as you. My tower is 0.7mi away, and yet, the strongest signal I get is only 2 bars out of 5. Talked to their tech support and they tell me the tower coverage is mediocre here, but is on the list to be upgraded. My question is, do you think an external antenna will actually help someone in my position? Or am I wasting a bunch of time and $$ for an external antenna that really won't produce significant increases in signal strength? And even if I get a better signal strength, that doesn't necessarily mean I'll get increased speed does it? Thanx. Dennis
It might work it might not, I have no personal experience with this device but, technically better signal quality will allow better QAM for faster speed, and potentially better Carrier aggregation for faster speed
If it makes tou feel better i only get 2, sometimes 3 out of 5 bars but can surpass 100mbs download (does vary a lot though). The tower upgrades they promis are a real thing, its not an empty promise. External antennae could potentially help. I'll touch on what to check and watch for to determine IF it is likely to help or not.
Great Videos! I've been trying to work with my T Mobile Home internet to get just a little better quality so my ping is better during online racing. I ordered the MIMO Panel External Antenna Kit for 4G LTE/5G Hotspots & Routers and got it all hooked up and tested in many places. it moved the signal bar from 2 bars to 3 bars and did seem to help the SNIR a little, but when I was running the speed test the download and upload speeds were awful. It actually went down to download of 1.9 and upload of 6.5 when I can normally get 48 down and 21 up. I double checked the setup several times and it appears to be correct. I did notice that the size of the 30 ft Ultra-Low Loss RS400 N-Male to N-Male Coaxial Cables I received with the package is much larger than what you are using in this video. Do you feel that the large Low-Loss cable at 30ft and the large connection before going into the N-Female Pigtail Adapter could be an issue? This external antenna just didn't give my the increase quality I was hoping for when I hooked it up. I appreciate your great detail in your videos and all the great feedback in these comments.
Hey Colton, sounds like you got one 2x2 MIMO so two cables right? If so most have the best success with ports L3 and L4 (bottom two) on the gateway. Some others have tried L1 and L2 or even mixed them up like L1 and L3 or L2 and L4, etc. Either way you need to have all 4 ports connected to something (either the stock internal ones or your external panel). RS400 cable is good and 30ft isn't a problem so those shouldn't be your issue. You should check which towers and bands you normally connect to and make sure your antenna is capable of those frequencies (do a web search on your band freq). Did you check out my antenna test video?
@@NaterTater Thank you for the response. I did look at that video (several times. Ha!) and probably should have posted the question under that one. I'm using L3 and L4 and left the other ones all on the stock antennas. I didn't touch them at all. My band freq is usually B2 or B66.It has been on B2 lately, but I seem to get better quality out of B66, but as you have noted I don't think I can lock it into one band. I was just really surprised how bad the speed test was with the external antenna hook up even thought the cell tower numbers were at least as equal to the numbers I showed when using just the T mobile modem.
Most people think the battery is useless but it’s not there to keep your internet up during a power outage, it’s there to keep the device powered long enough to complete a firmware upgrade if your power goes out in the middle of it. If it goes out mid firmware upgrade, you risk bricking your device. I highly suggest anyone who follows this, keeps the battery in the device!
I doubt that's the reason for the battery. It does a reboot when power is lost so I assume it may still brick itself if it was mid firmware update (which doesnt happen often). I still think the battery is useless.
@@NaterTater Actually the battery in the Nokia gateway is to facilitate moving the gateway around to find the best signal
@@TecKnight2k i know that's what they say but really it is pointless. Knowing how many bars of signal you have is not helpful in optimizing your signal. The band, RSRQ and SINR are more important than signal strength bars.
I haven’t had any luck getting my antenna to work. Not sure it’s maybe because it’s 4g only? I used the two ports to the right of the purple gps one
Meaning no signal or just not better than internal antennae? You do have to check your antenna freq range vs the signals you are trying to pick up
Can you tell me the order to plug a waveform 4x4 to t mobile grey trash can?
www.waveform.com/a/b/guides/hotspots/t-mobile-5g-gateway-nokia
I did this but I made the mistake of getting a directional antenna instead of omnidirectional. It has helped a ton but I feel as if omnidirectional will help a lot more
Directional is what you want typically. Often you will connect to just one tower so directional pointing at that tower is better than an omni.
What is the lte modem in the trash can?
Still have the white square-ish t-mobile home internet modem router, not the round one. I wonder if this is do-able on that model? They told me they don't use the round ones for my area. Find that hard to believe, but whatever I guess lol.
It is but its more complicated and requires soldering to the board.
@@NaterTater Yeah, I was looking at a video about a guy that had to do that for the simple fact that he couldn't find any connectors that would work. They look proprietary. But, anyway, he didn't do into logistics about it. Do you have any resources as to how to do this modification? my box is this one: the-gadgeteer.com/2019/09/17/julies-gadget-diary-t-mobile-home-internet-part-2/
Is there a video for the new TMobile 5G internet modem?
yes many videos on the new gateway. here's the disassembly one: th-cam.com/video/g-oKre_RSYg/w-d-xo.html
Thoroughly enjoyed the video. My question is why did you reassemble the router and leave the adapter cables off the router. I am guessing that you are not utilizing an external antenna after doing the experiment. Maybe my observation is way off the mark. Still looking forward to the follow up video with your results.
The short answer is I had to travel out of town and didnt have time to setup external options so I returned it to stock so the internet would work while I was away.
Thanks for great video Nate. Very well done!
I have a couple tips to add if it helps anybody (I used a Waveform Panel kit as it is heavily treed where I live).
1) When removing the bottom plate, use thin guitar picks (or other thin plastic shims) to push down on either side of the "pillars". Wedge between grey plastic cylindrical cover and black bottom plate. I found 0.88mm or thinner picks to work best. 1mm was a bit too thick. This releases the plate safely without causing any damage to the grey plastic cover (which could happen with flat blade screwdriver used in "pry bar" fashion). I used 4 picks (2 each at 2 pillars). At that point the plate pops off easily. Again, the clip release points are adjacent to the pillars, not directly in line with the pillars.
2) In my case, the Waveform adapter coax was actually a bit larger dia. compared to stock. Since these wires are difficult to bend sharply, I found it easier to utilize L1/L2 since L3/L4 would require a sharp turn coming up from ventilation grilles. Note the pcb soldered wire retainer clips barely can hold these larger dia. adapter wires. Strain relieve well the wires elsewhere or risk the U.FL terminals popping off. Waveform uses nice quality cables, but this is the downside.
*Results*:
I was averaging 40-60mbps down/0.7mbps up before the modification. RSRP was -114 to -111.
Now I'm at 75 to 100mbps down/0.7mbps up. RSRP now -112 to -109.
Tried sides of house and roof. Spent a good 3-4 hours optimizing placement/height/direction/distance from house wall. Placement/location didn't matter hardly at all in my case, but direction did.
I think I might purchase another antenna from them and replace L3/L4 with external. Will report here if I do that. I doubt it will help much, but I need better upload.
Thanks for the detailed post. Thats odd your upload is so low. If you're on n41 then you'll also be on a 4G LTE signal, thats what you would need to improve to get faster upload. 5G NSA still uses only the 4G for upload. I think the 4G has to be on the same tower but i could be wrong and if I am then you might need to point the antenna elsewhere to improve the 4G signal. Good luck!
@@NaterTater Yup thanks for info! For sure direction matters for my implementation. I'm toying with the idea of purchasing the log periodic to increase gain and focus what limited TX power I have at the tower. Although technically I don't have clear LOS, it might be worth trying. I will call support on Monday and get Waveform's input as well.
@@NaterTater Just an update here. I purchased a log periodic antenna from Waveform to compare against the panel. In my case, the results are nearly identical. Spent many hours optimizing and also did a 30 minute tech support call with Waveform. Tower is 3.5 miles as the crow flies. A third of that distance is lake, a third farmland and a third is treed. Flat elevation in between.
For anybody that tries this, remember to try many combinations of can rotations paired with external antenna directions. The combination matters.
Also if you have poor upload and it matters to you (say a content creator) try a lower frequency band (which may be a different tower...and may also have associated lower download speed). Don't always assume highest RSRP/download will equate to best upload. Check both! In my case, orienting toward farther tower with band 25 halved my download speed, but more than doubled my upload. That's the tradeoff I'm running with since my uploads were as low as 100-200kbps on some days. I am attributing better upload on lower bandwidth tower to the lower frequency (which has higher tree penetration) all else being equal. I sent the panel back, but really they work the same for my conditions.
@@cobra-he9xj thanks for the follow-up. As you probably know the upload is only your 4G LTE (primary) whereas the 5G NSA contributes to download. Even on the same tower I have a different orientation to optimize 4G vs 5G.
@@NaterTater Have you tried those griddy or parabolic antennas with the silver t mobile can?
How can I hook it up to a internet booster and have my Xbox be wired I can’t get to 40 downloads