Idaho 4: "Their Means of Death Don't Match"
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- What did Steve Goncalves mean when he told the press that Kaylee and Maddies's means of death didn't match? It's probably not what you think.
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Ken Mains said that often they put their energy into the fight vs screaming and that happens more often than not, that people don't hear screams.
Especially if the first plunge of the blade is into a lung or a key neck injury!
J embree flip flops he doesn't know any more than anyone else reporting but pretending he does.
yep!
You could be right. J. Embree could be right. Nobody really knows at this point. But, I do agree with J. Embree that it probably was not Bryan.
I unsubscribed from him. I tolerated bs for a while but victim blaming is disgusting.
True Crime Web recreated the lighting and how Dylan could have seen him without him being able to see her.
Thank you for your logical approach to clarifying the nonsense out there.
Paverati also says her room was not locked. How does he know this. Nowhere does the PCA say this, only that it was locked after she saw him.
Finally someone that agrees with my theory that Kaylee walked in on him attacking Maddie.
Because it is supposition pretty much stated as fact. All of which we do not know until it comes out in court. I don't have an issue with her doing it.
Every one is entitled to their opinion. BUT opinion is NOT fact. I see this on a lot of things.. one person states gossip opinon etc and suddenly it is fact. Like the freaking telephone game we were taught in school. A very good lesson taught to us old people
Good analysis, There is one thing about the partial wall removed from the image you showed. Maddie's table was against the window wall and the west wall, if sitting you would be facing the West wall toward the steps on the other side of the wall and wouldn't be that close to the door. I googled this "Maddie Mogen Tiktok in her room" It shows her sitting on the white chair at the table with a mirror on the wall behind it. There appear to be some jewelry accessories also. The area of the wall taken from the image you showed would be where the door would be if it were open. That table also had the white chair she used and news footage shown when they were removing things; it was pristine white and had no blood on it. Also to note she has lights strung up in her room so it wouldn't be that dark.
I could see the person behind the door then push Kaylee onto the bed and she attempted to back up to get away from the person. She would be cornered though or blood spatter if he encountered her coming in.
Exactly right. The PCA is written very vague for reasons. These TH-camrs keep reading this and adding new meaning each time they read it. He does not know how Dillon described him because LE did not include her exact quotes, just a summary.
Exactly. The number of people who think there was zero evidence at the scene except for the sheath just infuriates me! We have never seen the inventory list from the crime scene. We have zero idea what else was in this scene, and it was likely a whole lot more than was indicated in the PCA!
The wounds did not have to match. If you look in the Apple River attack. 5 people were stabbed in the matter of 20 seconds by the same guy with the same knife, but some had puncture wounds and some had slashing wounds, and one kid got disemboweled. I agree Kaylee was trying to get away or fight to protect Maddie. Maddie was probably attacked in her sleep. Would have been very different wounds.
People don't realize knives can make different types of wounds depending on how people use them.
It’s frustrating seeing some of these creators (not this one tho I’m new here) trying to disprove a K-bar via slash wounds. That knife is VERY capable of both types of wounds. It’s a slashing machine, or stabbing, all depending on how it’s used, and that can change in a fraction of a second.
There’s good reasons why the Marines love it.
Thank you for your common sense approach, which doesn’t seem to be very common these days. 😁 It’s tiring how some people believe that all the prosecution has is what’s in the PCA. I highly doubt that. Also, I’ve found that there are some creators who stir up unfounded storylines and conspiracies because it gets them more views and therefore, more $. There are a lot of cons in the world.
This is the problem i have with creaters like j. They absolutely refuse to acknowledge or entertain or tell thier viewers there are other possibilities. They intentionally neglect to mention things like dylans door was under the steps and people who frequented the house said it was easily mistaken for a closet. The suspect could have also mistook it for a closet.
I do disagree with kaylee walking in. I believe she was sleeping in bed with maddie. They were both making calls to jack and i believe that kaylee was asleep against the wall and she woke up once maddie was attacked and ended up trapped sitting up in the corner fighting for her life. I think dylan hear kaylee fighting the attackwr the best she could. But she was terapped. I just dont think a 20ish year old girl walks in and doesn't run back out when she sees whats happening. I just dont see her attacking the perp. Cast off could have ended up on the removed piece of wall with both girls in bed. I also believe xana was the person saying someone was there, not kaylee. Who would kaylee be talking to? I think its much more likely that xana being awake by evidence of door dash and tiktok was or thought she was speaking to ethan. I think kaylee and maddie were both asleep together.
This my favorite channel. These weirdos are just makin 💩 up for clicks.
Instead of worrying about what other creatures do on this app, making content off of their content, acting like you know any facts about this case, and acting like you're better than people trying to "fact check" stay in your own lane. You stay worrying about other people- worry about yourself. YOU KNOW NOTHING MORE ABOUT THIS CASE, than what everyone else does.
You don't like what he or other people you think your gonna "fact check" DONT WATCH THEM- STOP CREATING CONTENT OFF THEIR CONTENT!
Or you could not watch her content if you don’t like it
Agree it’s pathetic… I stopped here by accident. Not coming back especially seeing Vivian on here too. These people are out trying to get the LE BS narrative out there. Prosecutors are in deep 💩 and going to be lots of Bradey Giglio coming out on this case.
imo the PCA is 5% truth, 95% paraphrasing, theories and assumption. These are not exact quotes from DM, etc.
The hearings are where you see what's really going on... Not TH-camrs opinions, Steve or LE.
I agree with this. Nothing that has been coming out in the recent hearings aligns with the PCA.
Nothing in the hearings have contradicted the PCA at this point. It’s only TH-camrs that have made this narrative.
@@Boondog-j6t Wait I’m sorry…. The PCA wanted us to believe that Bryan was stalking them…. But, he wasn’t. They also wanted us to believe that he was at the house at the time of the unalivings. Now you have Sy Ray testifying that everything he’s seen so far has been exculpatory for Bryan and that he wasn’t near Moscow. Maybe you should pay closer attention to the hearings. So, now we’re talking about someone that had none of the victims DNA in his apartment, car, office, parent’s home. They can’t find a connection. He didn’t stalk them. Had no motive. Has no history of being violent. And they’re trying to push an unrealistic timeline to unalive 4 able bodied young adults that were NOT asleep. At least not Kaylee and not Xana. Oh yeah…. And you have TOUCH DNA on a knife sheath which is super weak in a contaminated crime scene since there were people called over before the police.
@@Starseedchick how do you know that. Stalking and surveilling them are 2 different things. No one said he was not surveilling them. Again this is vague on purpose, and only made more of a deal by TH-camrs that clearly want to trash LE or The Prosecution.Sy Ray didn’t even have the discovery to make those assessments when he testified, which is why he stated several times that he reserve the right to state if it showed BK innocent or guilty. His testimony clearly did not concern the state, as they didn’t even ask him one question, or try to discredit him, even though they could have with recent judges ruling his testimony unreliable. They are not worried about his testimony at all or they would have tried to challenge him. This tells me they have the evidence they need. Or at least they feel they have it.
@@Boondog-j6t There is NO evidence of him surveilling the house. And sorry, but LE is not going to come out and say he wasn’t stalking if he was indeed stalking the house. Same thing. You’re walking a very thin line there.
Absolutely agree with you. Very logical explanation. But we will see in the court. Nuances are possible.
OMG THANK YOU FOR clearing all these things up your common sense!! J. Embree flip flops so much he doesn’t know anything but yet he thinks he knows what everyone is thinking! He has no common sense and cannot stand to listen to him! Undersubscribed long ago, thanks again for your logical approach❤
You are so welcome!
Great show, love your delivery and channel. One thing that has always confused me... I looked this house up on Zillow shortly after the murders. I looked at all of the images, zoomed in, and there was no lock on any of those bedroom doors. The only lock it could have been is an old school push in knob type. Not sure what they were "locking". Also, I've watched the guy's videos that you refer to ---- nothing burger every time. Think about what he says about DM and BK being face to face, which didn't happen... if it was made up, the storyline would be that Dylan never saw anything. Why would they "makeup" a story that weakens their theory?
They could all be door knob locks where on the inside you turn something clockwise or so. Most homes have those.
Steve also said they didn't have to go upstairs
they is plural and he is singular..why did steve say they. thx.
@@fleck36 Steve said a bunch of things that aren't fact
@@truecrimelover61 'they' can go either way; singular or plural. For example as per dictionary "The victim refused to testify at the trial because they feared for their life." Early on most presumed it was 'he' as in 1 person; however, it wasn't stated to be male, males, female or females....therefore 'they'.
The creator you mention reminds me of the main character in the movie “ A Beautiful Mind” I think he puts a lot of thought into his videos and theories, but the more he thinks about it the more far out his theories get.
I always think the target was Maddie as it was random that kaylee was there for the night. I also think they were in the room together which is why the attack was so quick.
Good point about the balaclava... the only problem is that this is a pretty noticeable piece of clothing and that should have been mentioned by Dylan in the report.
There has to be his DNA or fibers from his clothes on one or more of the victims, under their nails, etc, especially since at least some of them probably fought with him
I really dig your perspectives on this crime. So unlike certain storytellers and their sites. When this case is tried and all of the stories are debunked some people if they are still on line are gonna have a very low profile.
I hope you’re right, but I think many of those people will continue with their false narratives because there are a lot of people blindly following conspiracy theories, instead of facts.
Unfortunately, many of them will just double down and say that LE still got it wrong.
The only thing that Dylan would’ve been sure that there was an a party in that house that night we can’t be sure of anything else until trial comes
Liver and lungs could mean she was attacked from the back
First, I like your channel.I only watch two people when it comes to the Idaho 4 case and you are one. I am curious about K coming into the room vs already being there. We don’t know for sure, but from what I’ve heard it sounds like K and M were calling and texting K’s ex up until shortly before their murders. I could see them in M’s room “ coordinating “ what to say to her ex and then just crashing in that room. If B is in the room killing M and K walks in, unless she attacks B or tries to help M she would have a great avenue of escape. B would have to come around the bed to get to K while she would be in the doorway and could have gotten downstairs or back to her room before B could reach her. Again, we don’t know for sure. But I think I lean towards K and M being in bed together in M’s room. But is just a guess. Keep up the great work!!
Thank you!
I still believe KG was in her room with Murphy. She probably wasn't playing with him, but possibly trying to calm him down. And when she couldn't she went to check on MM. If she had been grabbed and attacked from behind that would explain why her wounds were different. She probably fought her way to the bed and was trapped. NONE of actually know the time or the facts. So those who want to judge DM and her statements need to do a reality check.
Completely agree with everything you say! ❤
I agree CA. Your thoughts are similar to mine on this case. At 4:02, I believe Dylan described everything she saw even his hair if he was wearing a Covid mask instead of a Baklava (sp). In the PCA, LE intentionally omitted the full description to keep from spooking the suspect, but if Dylan noticed his hair was black or lip bloody, she told LE all of this they just omitted it for obvious reasons.
She.said you know dylan, said the police would not leave her alone she was in that room 5 hours with them and only seen an image of a guy close to 5Ft 7 inch with all black on and a mask w/ bushy eye brows, she said the police wanted her to state it was bryan, she said she could not identify him 5 hours and she told her friend this a few days after the murder. He said she was shaken but was herself not upset about it? So was she even there?
@@deborahbeltz718 I did hear this rumor, but it's just a rumor. We have not seen the transcript of all that was said, and the interview could very well have been taped.
I heard the friend speak, and he had pertinent information that only she could tell him his name is David. But to some point, you are right we really don't know !
@@deborahbeltz718 I heard him as well, but I don't have any other info. on him to say he even knows her. A lot of people come out of the woodwork and claim to know folk.
@Pllm30 This is so true, I will try and dig for more. Let everybody know
Lying about door being unlocked. She could always have unlocked it fabricated
More than one weapon used that's why the wounds are different.
👏👏👏 (all of the video) ... I too can not rule out attempted SA at knife point of 1 ... and everything went sideways for the perp.
The Goal. Motive. Fantasy.
Is not written in stone.
Or, even robbery? Or, theft of a student ID before moving?
Nothing is off the table.
Could be the first time someone woke up?
Could be a look alike? Truth is stranger than fiction.
But, what is the 6 degrees of separation ... if not BK?
We can argue transfer/touch DNA. But, must also rationalize why is BK there that night at that exact/approximate time.
WHAT brought him back THERE after leaving the same bar and driving all the way back home to Washington.
That’s an interesting point!
How do you know BK was there at the same time? And how do you know he went back to the scene? The only evidence they have of his location that’s been released is his phone pinging off of the same cell tower (which covers a wide area and his home was only about 10 miles away) and that a car similar to his was seen. I have not once seen evidence that it was his car with images of him driving, his license plate, geolocations, etc.
Also, him changing out his license plates soon after the murders is because his license plate was going to expire in a few weeks (end of November).
He’s a clown. All his “theories” can be disproven within seconds. He has a really hard time interpreting simple information.
He also just said he believes Dot, the fake witness. He's a joke.
Everyone has a different way of reading into this ! Sometimes , a comma or period or explanation mark is omitted or added , which would change how it's being read ! I'm not going to down the guy or anyone else , just saying , 10 people could read the same thing , and you could have 6 or 8 different views on what it said ! If , I don't like someone's work , i don't pay any attention to them ! None of us , none of us knows what happened that night , and probably will never know the truth of what happened ! All these podcasts are simply just someone's opinion ! You have to take each one , and pull from it , what you want to believe !
Just dawned on me. If Hunter was the only one who knew the code to get into Xana’s room, then wouldn’t he be the only one who could get in and off them? The fact he “found” him could’ve been him wanting to see his work.
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There were no key codes on any doors except the front door
@@Vivianamarie01 They reported all 6 doors had code locks. Doesn’t matter it didn’t happen the way everyone thinks. It wasn’t him, it was more than one person and it started at 2am.
She didn't say what color eyes,an ,why open 3 times? IMO DLAN KNW,WHY DID THEY LET HER LIVE? ESPECIALLY AFTER HE SAW HER
Just because she saw him, does not mean that he saw her. He was leaving, after taking out 4 people, his adrenaline was through the roof, there was a neon sign on the wall, which would have shone in his eyes as he was rounding that corner into the kitchen.
I think IF K said "someone's here", it was said before she entered the M's room and saw him. The dog must have alerted K that someone was in the M's room.
I am always 🤔 I think cautious is the world I wanna use whenever Steve Goncalves says anything. I say Steve because he had been the most vocal one, but also because a a parent, it is natural to want to believe that your child fought back or didn't make it easy for the perpetrator to unalive them or that you feel or believe that their child got the worst of it or that everyone loved their child that they had no enemies that they weren't sexually active that their child put God before everything else etc etc.. I am NOT saying that it wasn't like that with Kaylee it very well could have been. I mean no disrespect. And J Embree from what I thought is a former LE officer. I don't know if he was but from things I have heard him say that is why I think that he was former LE. Which is why I watche his content. I think it is interesting how/why a police officer thinks that the crime went down the way it did. Because the thought process of a criminal and that of LE just aren't the same.
Once again I am sorry for the loss of Luca. The day after mother's day I had to put one of my dogs down😭. It is never easy.
I don’t think they cut sheet rock for blood spatter, but if it is a drug house it makes sense stuff would be hidden in the walls.
The sensationalism is nauseating
Initial reports was wearing a hoody and face mask. INSIDE LOOKING blog has culprit wearing a head mounted torch. PR blog raised the topic of stun device.
"Curious noises at Linda Lane " titled video is of interest. ......
If Kaylee found Maddie being in the middle of being attacked why did she scream surely somebody could have heard that and it's hard for me to understand why you are still quick on calling other theories BS but you can have a theory and it's all good just asking
Because my theories are based on facts.
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Who is that podcast or he has everything wrong?
You might notice eyes and eyebrows if the person was a similar height to yourself ie you looking him straight in the eyes
We should be going by what the roommates first statements were, not the pca, because it’s be3n proven they don’t mean squat! She said they slept the entire night! Then she said she heard someone, that sounded like the frat guys. Also that D was downstairs, not on the upper level. They are all said in early police statements. Even in the pca, she said something was covering his nose and mouth, nothing about covering his full head.
She never said they slept the entire night. What are you talking about
Where are these supposed police statements?
Yes she said something was covering his nose and mouth. The bala clava covers his nose and mouth. What is your point
When did the roommates give statements to the public? I must have missed that and haven't been able to locate anything since. They didn't even actually 'speak' at the vigil or even attend that we are aware of. We heard police statements regarding the roommates activities....they were both on the bottom floor, not witnesses, not tied up, not injured, cooperating. LE are allowed to lie during the course of an investigation but not on a PCA that they are swearing to. Also the PCA is just a summary. If it stated every word that was stated, every descriptive detail, every thought, every breath, every feeling the PCA would be over 200 pages long. Anything heard outside of the PCA (frat guys) is rumor & speculation. The only thing even close to frat was that BF saw Xana & Ethan at the Sigma Chi house.
I didnt realise that Character analysis meant analysing other creators i thoufht u were analysing criminals/people/suspects and so on,
Am I blocked? Can anyone see my comment?
You're not blocked.
@@MyCharacterAnalysis thank you. Last video I was having issues with my comments.
Its funny that dylan heard crying, she heard kayleigh she heard murphy and she heard a man, but she didnt hear even 1 scream when it has been stated rhat some of the victims fought there attacker, yeah i believe u dylan, and yes also agree with pavarotti, Clad i. Black doesnt sound like the terminology of a student, especially a party stud3nt, defo with you there again J, CA have followed u for a long time, but ur content seems to have changed of late, i hope that u find yourself again, just my opinion !
Sometimes people don't always scream when in shock. Their vocal cords and/or lungs could have been punctured too causing them to be unable to make sounds.
Be very careful youre close to getting pulled
@@Pllm30right? Ken Mains said that often they put their energy into the fight vs screaming and that happens more often than not, that people don't hear screams.
That's because Dylan didn't say ckad in black. Thst's Payne's wording.
@@kateylondon7345 we don't know what exactly DM saw, heard, or did. We know what le put in a PCA to get him arrested
Nooo shit!
I'm native! Don't really know white words.
Totally agree with you and Kalie potentially walking in on Maddie And her being the one to say someone’s here. Pavarotti personally attacking a woman on TH-cam is disheartening and disgusting, shows his southern conservative and prejudiced roots…
@tracyhickman1359
I found his comments to be...
I'll say, distasteful. For sure.
And I find your comment to be in the same category.
You guys don't no shit...
@@AlexPeshlakai *know 😂