I was diagnosed with sz at 21. I hold a bachelor's in philosophy and a masters in the humanities. Everyone is different. Find a path that you love and you will be ok. Don't worry about numbers.
I had an imaginary dog for years, never had a problem with it untill I had room mates who thought the dog was real. Then it got to be really fun; I pooped on the carpet in the living room; it really is hard to overcome a lifetime of toilet training to defacate in the living room so as to blame it on the imaginary dog, but six beers and a doobie and it was done. Now to forget about it so I can act like I didn’t know, I did that too. Then the day came my room mate told me they knew about the dog, I told them that I took him to the pound after he shit in the house. Well that broke their heart! We could’ve had a dog together! I just wanted to meet him! What kind of dog was he? A Dalmatian, i said. I named him Boner. Having fun with no money ladies and gentlemen.
For me cognitive impairment only occurs during episodes. Prior to the onset of my illness I was studying astrophysics in college and was doing calculus on a regular basis. During my episodes I can't even do simple arithmetic.
I actually almost completely feel this. I have PTSD. Not schizophrenia. But I'm a math centric individual. And I can't work if I feel unwell. I can't do anything at all if I feel unwell. I freeze. Sometimes I feel cheated. Imagine how much more I could have done by now if I didn't go into a literal gut twisting terror rage and lose my fucking mind on average three times a week? But when that happens, my mind goes just ping pong. Like a million little balls just flying in every single direction. Can't catch any of them. Working under that condition is... Labourous.
True! During episodes cannot even remember correctly and reasoning at all! This sickness makes us stupider in some ways... it's unfortunate to have the sickness. Prior to my 1st episode, I can reasoning and thinking better. Now I become very forgetful and fear the mass of people. Performance becomes so low that I can barely pass the final stage on college. 1st episode on my final college stage, untreated until I finished it.
@@zincronium2719 Are there not any treatment or training that could partly reverse this ? It’s such a shame that you lost lost so much. In my adolescence I had a dark horror that something very bad would happen in my brain. I thought I developed schizophrenia, with only negative symptoms. But I managed university and a qualified profession, but did not a great career. I didn’t have social skills either, but managed. Now I think I had/have (?) autism.
@@martinasikk6162 my psychiatrist said I must eat my medicine everyday regularly. Exercise, relax, develop my hobbies. Other than that, not so much other type of treatment to reverse it.
I had low scores in memory and some with fluency. I'm definitely not the sharpest in the shed. While I got a 116 on the IQ test, it didn't represent total function because I struggled with the various tasks, but I did well in others. I had a hard time with visual distraction. People think they have a gift when they have schizophrenia thanks the media. It's more or less a curse.
its not we use our brain different, dont be discouraged be creative a follow your passion f what these peopl say f these tests the say nothing it's the conditioning like this and as result the stigma that leaves us numb... o the misinformation. trust yourself, then trust others its gaslighting you so you will isolate and keep yourself away from them, only bc they are uncertain and affraid... its called projective identification
Well also has a schizophrenic I can see it both ways and a few other ways! But that's the point we don't think like neurotypical people. I can understand that yes we do seem to have some cognitive differences, but that doesn't mean we're less! In some ways it does mean we're more. The doctors really don't know much about it. That video is 7 years old now and they really don't know anything else!! And like he said the antipsychotics only helped a little bit if you are hallucinating and are totally delusional, which I don't and not very much. But I'm really not looking forward to the Alzheimer's and the Parkinson's!!
Not the sharpest in the shed? Thats a good IQ score, since 100 is the average. Don't belittle yourself, there are enough shit people in life who will do that to you. Watch a beautiful mind.
"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first of all check that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes." William Gibson ( b.1948 )
This was 11 years ago, back when I was first diagnosed. I have always been intelligent, but not smart, and the illness + antipsychotics both made me lose my intelligence. I wonder what remedies exist.
I was quite intelligent till I started taking olanzapine 20 mg. Olz 20 mg made me a dumb person. In my case, it was the antipsychotic drug that did the cognitive impairment to me.
My daughter (now 26yrs old) was diagnosed with schizophrenia in August of 2020, and diagnosed with "high functioning autism " in 2014. Her skill set of every function is that of a 3yr old now. The psychiatrist she sees seems to be at a loss , and has been changing medications ritually.... possibly to appease me. He says she is a "special case" , and he's correct! She was also diagnosed with T.O.F. at 4 DAYS old, and had open heart surgery at 6 months old. There are medications that could be problematic if taken , because of her heart condition. A good day is : her not hitting herself, nodding yes, using the toilet with guidance, and allowing me to bathe and groom her. I am her 24/7 caregiver and use a baby monitor. I wish there was a specialist close to me that'd go above and beyond to help me figure out what's happening Versus ... just swapping out meds that are next on a list. I'm mentally and physically strung out , and I'm emotionally struggling some days. Her autism symptoms were a walk in the park ... in hindsight 😑
You are such a great mother with beautiful heart !! I always wish too have a mamma like you !! But here in my real life I am dealing with the mother who never supports me for anything..she is narcissist..my parents always fight at home....i too diagnosed with depression anxiety and ocd ..I had psychotic episode also...but more than a meds self love and spirituality healed me...quickly.i came out of psychotic drugs withdrawal symptoms also. Eating nutritious food and positive healing thoughts calm music being touch nature helped to heal.i am not taking medicine anymore....but still sometimes I get anxiety attacks .thats okay I console myself.i make a distinction between me and mind .I get the control easily.we are not our thoughts or mind..we are more than that.!! suffering from schizophrenia is a hell.. sometimes meds make it worst. Hope you are daughter ( my sister )) recover soon. I am also 25 now. I love your kind heart mamma ....you are gem of person.you are doing great.you are a great mom.❤️💐 I am from India. Sorry for my English mamma.🙏
Did you treat her autism with medication? That would explain the development of schizophrenia... You're switching those drugs a lot? That inflicts a lot of brain damage. They have different receptor bindings. You are trusting people who have no clue what they are doing.
@@cjgodley1776 what help are we giving this heroic person ,?.As a society ,there is insufficient help for Carers .They save taxpayers a fortune by caring for those who need help ,and we need to recognise their contribution and help them !.
I was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder and had problems from the time I was a little girl. I had problems daydreaming in class. I also have problems with spatial relations, memory problems and learning. I had problems pacing myself in class and reasoning. I was always depressed and paranoid. I am unable to do math. Because, I cannot use abstract reasoning. It’s terribly frustrating. It has only gotten worse. My IQ is high normally. But, I can’t use what I have and it’s only getting worse. I know that some of it is from psychotropic medications. I couldn’t take the SAT’s. I failed the basic literacy tests and had to take it twice. It took me 6 years to get my associates degree. I have almost been fired due to me taking so long to learn things and not being able to keep up. Luckily people knew me as I worked there for so long. Then, I got layed off. I know that I will have trouble with my memory and can’t learn things quickly. Nobody wants to take the time to teach me. I have been a productive member of society until now. I can live on my own. But, my father has to check on me every day. I can do simple things like word searches and color in a coloring book. Most people in my family are genuses and are making great salaries. But, they aren’t like me. I have had frustration playing games, especially memory games and have struggled all of my life, feeling “stupid” and “wouldn’t amount to anything” per most of the children.
@@kobanebook9888 Yes, I get sad. Especially, when I get yelled at for not being able to learn or go faster. I also get very frustrated when I can’t keep up with everyone else and am not following directions. So, I can see where the frustration makes you sad. I also get very hurt when yelled at.
Aw, thank you due sharing that. Very Interesting and also sad no one would take the time to teach you. We are all in such a rush for nothing these days. I'm sorry.
The first thing I noticed when my friend got schizophrenia was the extreme loss of her intelligence. It was dramatic, sudden and pervasive. 3 years on she has finally got an official diagnosis and we know what it is. But for a long time I felt really frustrated, was unsure what had happened to her brain, some sort of event causing brain damage was what I was worried about. She had been extremely sleep deprived for months then suddenly went mentally slow and was hearing odd sounds. That was the beginning of it all. It was really unexpected for a mother, wife, in her late 30’s who had never done drugs nor had mentioned any mental illness in the family. Just bizarre.
Extreme sleep deprivation can lead to psychosis and hearing odd sounds. Psychosis is not automatically schizophrenia. I'm so sorry that your friend had to go through this. She might just have some medical or neurological issue that affected her sleep. If she'd been on Benzodiazepines, she might have been suffering from the withdrawal effects that could last years. Many people get misdiagnosed with schizophrenia because they don't get a proper medical evaluation. Have you seen the movie 'Brain on Fire'? It's based on the true story of a writer who would have been diagnosed as psychotic or schizophrenic when what she really had was encephalitis.
@@czlucar she’s been in and out of care for 3 years. Monitored by psychiatrists and psychologists continually for 3 years at home and also under 24/7 monitoring in hospital by experts in the field for a total of over 6 months, (one being the highest ranking psychiatrist in our state) they did not jump to a conclusion, we have one of the best heath are systems in the world, and she has received an extraordinary amount of specialist assessment and care, they took their time and were extraordinarily thorough. Why would you assume that these experts would have misdiagnosed her? Are you some global expert with some knowledge that they don’t know? Because if you have some secret knowledge that these people don’t have after their decades of study at the best universities in the world and their decades of experience, I’m sure they’d love for you to educate them.
@@moonsharn I'm sorry but TH-cam won't allow links to articles. I can only post an excerpt. Long term antipsychotic treatment is being reconsidered even by some prominent psychiatrists and researchers. Even long term use of benzodiazepines is being reconsidered because it's harming so many patients, but I don't think mainstream psychiatry has admitted to it yet. "Long-term treatment is not necessary for all Robin Murray (King’s College, London) took the opposing view, that antipsychotics are not necessary for long-term prophylactic treatment of all patients with schizophrenia. Although antipsychotics are important in the acute phase, long-term prophylaxis is less clear cut. Patients are reluctant to take long-term treatment when they are feeling well, especially with a side effect burden including obesity. Prof Murray suggested one-fifth of patients could stop antipsychotics after their first episode, and more may be able to reduce doses. In a 10-year follow-up study8, 19% of those with schizophrenia had no psychotic symptoms and were off antipsychotics. In another study, outcomes were better at 18 months in the continuation arm, but by 7 years those in the decrease/stop arm were functioning better. Prof Murray concluded that antipsychotics should not be abandoned, but with long-term treatment to use the minimum possible dose for shortest possible time, aiming to stop in some patients. The future When patients initiate stopping treatment the psychiatrist’s role is to support their decision-making Overall there was more agreement than disagreement, with both clinicians acknowledging the pros and cons of prophylactic treatment, and suggesting dose reduction is considered. They stressed the need for research to identify which patients can stop, when and how. Often the patient initiates stopping treatment, and the psychiatrist’s role is to support their decision-making, with best available evidence." - Are antipsychotics needed for the long-term treatment of schizophrenia? - Schizophrenia - 08.07.2020
@@moonsharn RE: misdiagnosis, "In a small study of patients referred to the Johns Hopkins Early Psychosis Intervention Clinic (EPIC), Johns Hopkins Medicine researchers report that about half the people referred to the clinic with a schizophrenia diagnosis didn’t actually have schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a chronic, severe and disabling disorder marked by disordered thinking, feelings and behavior. People who reported hearing voices or having anxiety were the ones more likely to be misdiagnosed. In a report of the study in the March issue of the Journal of Psychiatric Practice, the researchers say that therapies can vary widely for people with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, major depression or other serious types of mental illness, and that misdiagnosis can lead to inappropriate or delayed treatment. In a small study of patients referred to the Johns Hopkins Early Psychosis Intervention Clinic (EPIC), Johns Hopkins Medicine researchers report that about half the people referred to the clinic with a schizophrenia diagnosis didn’t actually have schizophrenia."
@@moonsharn I wish I could link to some Ted Talk videos. One by Eleanor Longen on her diagnosis of schizophrenia and deterioration in a psychiatric institution until she found an enlightened psychiatrist who believed she could recover. She's now a research psychologist. Another by Dr. Bessel van der Kolk on how a diagnosis is not only stigmatizing but can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I have adhd, bipolar, and schizophrenia. Life is hard but with help I'm still going to school and working to take care of my kids. I have a 130+ IQ BUT my deficits in cognition has truly affected my life negatively which shows on my neuropsychology tests. I think there's a large issue with lumping IQ and cognitive tests.
My ex-girlfriend became very impaired by schizoaffective disorder, she couldn't finish college and had already presented poorly in high-school, while before she was a model student. But some people with schizophrenia seem to be mostly unaffected cognitively, so it's kind of a hit or miss.
This is interesting to me because I have this disorder, and have been tested. My IQ blew everyone away because my acedemic scores were nearly all Fs for years. My mind works in a very specific manner and my condition makes me extremely sensitive to external stimuli. My environment must be specific to my needs for me to process information. This includes home life. When I have what I need through the whole day, my scores skyrocket.
I was diagnosed with this a few years ago,I believe its mild compared to others,but I have suffered through early childhood on up always knew I was different from others. I always wondered where the face recognition came from when one of my husband's friends would come over to see him and he wasn't home,he would ask well who was it? What did he look like? I'd be like I don't know. And I would get people mixed up with each other. I 've always had problems remembering vehicle's as well. See and hear things that aren't there. But I thank God that I don't have it as bad as other ppl do,I feel so sorry for them, Its scarey when you see a sheet of paper on the floor flipping around and moving in the air and no one else see's it.
"It's scary when you see a sheet of paper on the floor flipping around and moving in the air and no one else's sees it." - I have auditory and tactile! So I hear mass of people talking to each other about me being a fake Albert Einstein but no one else hear them talk trash about me at all.
My brain was totally normal until I got a shot of Invega. I was great at my job, memory, and could talk your ear off on anything. Then I got horrible insomnia, memory deficits and anhedonia. Gone. Can't remember what I just read.
@@cjgodley1776Both actually give you brain damage. Both the illness and the medicine. My friend went off his medicines and had a bad psychotic and manic episode. He was never the same after that episode. Bad psychotic and bad manic episodes damage the brain. So does medicine but it takes longer.
this illness really hurt and stopped my progression in life i hope there is a cure soon for my Cognitive impairment so i can start doing some thing i see that will help me have a positive effect on my day to day life living with schizophrenia is hard its like endless nightmare and constant suffering
I have schizoaffective bipolar disorder - i had to drop out of college and currently I'm disabled. I have had 2 weight loss surgeries since dropping out of college which have changed my life, plus I take invega, both in shot and pill form.
Long-term use of major tranquilizers might be what's causing the cognitive impairment. Psychiatric researcher Robin Murray has this to say: “There is no doubt that antipsychotics are necessary in acute active psychosis. But do (we) have to continue to prescribe them in some patients because we have rendered the D2 [dopamine] receptor supersensitive to the excess dopamine released? I, and indeed most investigators, have neglected this vitally important question.”" Are you aware that many patients weaned off the drugs recover? Dr. Robin Murray also has this to say: "“Amazingly, such is the power of the Kraepelinian model that some psychiatrists still refuse to accept the evidence, and cling to the nihilistic view that there exists an intrinsically progressive schizophrenic process, a view greatly to the detriment of their patients.”
My sister had serious side effects from the drugs and had to stop taking them. She suffered even more after that. Her behavior became even more paranoid and erratic. She thought someone broke into her home and fixed her toilet and had more instances where she thought people broke into her home and stole things but replaced the stolen items with something else. She also thought someone had access to her computer and phone. Terrible illness, especially when the person is paranoid.
@@patsmith5859 Psychiatrists like it when patients and their social circle blame side effects from the drugs or reactions to stopping them on their mental illness. It absolves them of any responsibility and makes it easier to manage them by just adding more drugs. Stopping any psychiatric drug, especially cold turkey, will have side effects. Patients need to be carefully weaned from these drugs, and even then, it can get worse before it gets better. Just ask someone who's done it. Check out these Ted Talks to find out more. 'On a scale of 1-10 how crazy are you' by Elizabeth Kenny and 'The voices in my head' by Eleanor Longden.
This was 11 years ago. Hope psychiatry has evolved somewhat since then in its understanding of what's diagnosed as schizophrenia. I think many clinicians now recognize that schizophrenia is biopsychosocial. There's also more of an awareness that many could recover when the drugs are used short term. And that a lot of the cognitive impairment might be from the antipsychotic drugs used to treat it, or just not being able to attend to much to the world outside when they're feeling such turmoil inside or feeling such fear that they're hyper-focusing. As much as some psychiatrists would like to see it as a brain disease, if it really were one, it would be something for neurologists to diagnose with biomarkers and treat. Many can recover if given the chance and given hope. I'm worried that people diagnosed with schizophrenia are misled into believing that they can never recover.
I'm moving closer to my kind. Antipsychotics make it so that.I can do basic tasks, which I couldn't do without them. Don't think I like the meds. It used to be nearly impossible for me to dress myself in Virginia or focus my brain with al the chitchat. I wore a pair of jeans stained with urine for a month or more. While I'm not as "creative" on meds, I can at least make dinner. People don't know how much this sucks. They'll fix it in my lifetime, I believe.
i wish you all the luck in the world. i am going through the early stages of this disease. it’s life changing. i’m only 23. let’s pray they can find a treatment for negative symptoms soon.
these idiots will fix nothing. they do not even know 1% of the illness, let alone treatment, let alone causal treatment. its a brain disease. i feel the same. totally crushed.
Ive been alongside my daughter for 27 years She was diagnosed at 2 with aspergers , after puberty she had her first psychotic break consequently her diagnosis changed....UNDESCRIPT schizophrenia was added to her high functioning aspergers/autism NOW her major challenge is in fact dellusional thinking due to schizophrenia
What about abstract thinking? I have trouble socially and don't do well with vague information, like when a pharmacist tells me they'll let me know when my medication is ready. I didn't know where to stand, how long to wait, etc.
I have schizophrenia and I can feel my cognitive decline with things such as reactivity and hand eye coordination ive always had very exceptional hand eye coordination but it just seems to get progressively worse and my reactions in physical sports is losing its touch too, I feel a lot slower on some days too this is definitely a less severe symptom in my illness and I find I can still do more complicated math and physics problems but there are days where I do struggle to focus/concentrate and sometimes I will find myself going from doing a problem to just staring at a random spot on the wall, the weird thing is Im not even really thinking about anything im looking at the wall like its a rainbow or something its not like I think the wall is beautiful its more like you know when you look at a picture online or when you go out in public when your eye focuses on a new object/scene you automatically just focus on the thing that interests you the most its something like that im not hallucinating that theres something on the wall Its just for some reason as interesting to me as looking outside of a window
Everyone is like that. Everybody’s mind wanders. It doesn’t mean you’re sick. And then after the menopause you get brain fog and you often can’t remember the words for things, or remember what you’re doing . And I’ve never been able to hit a ball because of my eyesight. It’s not important to be able to play sports. It won’t get you a job. And I’m not good with certain people’s faces. What you describe sounds like normal life to me.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree I was talking about the scientific part about the video I wasn't here to give a full list of cognitive symptoms I started failing in school because I had very bad brain fog I was talking about hand eye coordination because that's where my mind goes when I think of cognitive decline (ex. I trip a lot because I have bad hand eye coordination and it got bad enough to where I had to get an MRI) I was just going over one issue of brain fog, the issues that made it hard to do school were inability to focus, unable to think like you start a thought process and then you just randomly zone out (best way I have of describing it) and yeah that alone doesn't make you "sick" as you put it but if you are hearing voices isolating struggling to deal with daily tasks that most people can do then there is something going on. I don't really like to use the word "sick" because it doesn't really feel like a sickness although some people do think of it like that it just feels like its the way my brain operates and its different from what society deems to be the norm.
I'm so sorry you have this illness. My sister had this and she suffered terribly her entire life. I think this is probably the most serious illness one can get. Hopefully, yours is not as debilitating as my sisters. I'm sending light and love to you.
When they communicate with a schizophrenic with there heart intelligence , the one suffering from schizophrenia will respond totally coherent but if they adress them from their intellect there will be a protection and a rejection of communication
Thank you for sharing!!. I also started hearing the voices, along with the shadows. I started thinking about my life and memories brought me to the conclusion that I have always heard voices but never paid attention to where they was coming from. I am 31 and noticed the voices big time now. The voices ont feel fake, they even tell me it's nanotechnology and the people. For me it even feels that the whole world is in on this conspiracy that I like to believe schitsofrenia is made up. The voices tell me I'm targeted because I'm perverted and what not. My thoughts are read before I even noticed them. I search nanotechnology and it's a technology that can manipulate your mind and manipulate your feelings. Something positive I can leave you with is, find a way to love music, wear headphones! A good pair. Watch good movies that fill your heart up with happiness and tranquility. . Prepare yourself for one day your love of your life is no longer in your life. Save money for the rainy days. Love you !!
I sometimes get delusional thoughts of acts of violence. I could be talking to the nicest person in the world, even an old lady, and i will randomly picture knocking them out as i zone out from what they are saying for about 2 or 3 seconds, at which point i subconsciously tell my self that these are evil thoughts and snap straight back out of it. I am very compassionate and wouldnt hurt a fly. It scares me sometimes but i know i am in full control of my actions. I immediatly regret the thoughts which sometimes can feel somewhat cartoonish and immature..
I totally get where you are coming from. I was diagnosed with Schizoaffective disorder late 2018 and I couldn’t explain the fantasies of violence that I was having. I take medications but the thoughts still remain and it scares me a lot. I know that I’m in charge of my actions but sometime in middle of an episode I have to wonder “ Will this be the day that I lose it?’ It’s annoying to space out for seconds at a time. I have to fake what I heard and sometimes ask people to repeat what they said. I feel like a scrambled ticking time bomb and I hate it.
That's not a mental disorder that's a normal variant called 'call of the void'. It's created by the creative and empathetic brain to train your impulse control
Very good and informative video.. I wish I had seen this years ago.. when my daughter became unwell.. it would have helped me so much.My grandson who has recently been diagnosed, is exactly the way you describe.. thank you for explaining it..
My hallucinations, delusions, memory and attention have declined a lot since graduating last year from high school. I haven’t be diagnosed with anything major, mainly cause I just don’t talk too much about it, but it can be a number of things that affect these problems I have. I’m 99% certain I don’t have schizophrenia, and it often irks me when people infer that I do. No disrespect, but until a doctor tells me I have whatever illness, you can’t just go around saying you have it or someone else does. I find it disrespectful to those who do, because they struggle with it. I can understand what people with schizophrenia go through to a certain extent I believe. It’s a hard thing to go through and sometimes down right scary. I hope one day they find a way to help these people, to where they don’t have to have scary experiences or a decline in social and cognitive connections.
I know someone who has hallucinations and she is the weirdest most socially awkward person I know. I feel for her, to a certain extent because the choices she makes, are HER choices. I suspect she does have some sort of mental disorder, because she is very different and says some interesting things. But because I am not a doctor I cannot and will not assume she has schizophrenia. She "jokes" about getting high off of her seizure medicine and it genuinely concerns me, but I love analyzing her in social situations even though it may make me uncomfortable. I really do hope they bring this disorder to light so that more can be done to treat people with it. I cannot even begin to imagine the immense pain and struggle.
Has to be the treatment. Because I definitely have it, I literally hear people talking all the time that I havent seen in years. Its so bad that my head even has to turn into the direction where their voices are coming from when I reply (which I seem to have lost control over, literally cant suppress replying). My mind still works excellent. If I have to perform I perform. I attest this to me refusing to get treatment.
@@AmandaHugandKiss411 Meds can cause some brain damage but so can bad psychotic or manic episodes. This happened to my friend. He went off his medicine and had a really bad psychotic and manic episode and he was never the same again.
It's very, very difficult to focus on anything when one is being distracted. Does this then lead to the 'appearance' of cognative decline in schizaphrenia? Are those that are treatment resistant, the ones that suffer the most cognative impairment due to the continuance of distracting positive symptoms? Are treatment resistant patients more cognitively challenged than those who are not TRS?
Im very sensitive to coherent cognition...my brain tunes to it but rapidly falls away if dissonance from schizophrenia in communications with a patient occurs. Certain people are incoherent to me as my brain fails to process their mess of communications. I have wondered whether cognition can be stolen by implementing warfare in psycho environental stress with controls at the communicative level. Basically i believe a coherent environment wires the brains communications to qdapt and increases intelligence. But the opposite is true and is thus environmental to the point of warfare.
Can a person gain enhanced /super human cognition sometimes during the day, just because he has schizophrenia? Rare deviation to the disorder? I have a freind, he is very different from most people. When he wakes up in the morning , at ground state , he can defeat a chess master. Later on, during the day , he loses the ground state , becoming a novice/bad chess player.
From my experience, that is not really surprising. Even a normal person can lose/win sometimes. Your friend seems to put much effort when he won, but not much effort when he lost.
Schizophrenia was referred to as pre dementia in some of my early research! And I believe that to be true. I'm waiting on some of that myself just like my grandmother did!!
Stoney Vowell It was referred to as predementia in the past, but they no longer refer to it as such because they realized it is either dementia nor pre dementia.
@@Zorkmid123 I'll put it this way. My grandmother was diagnosed with schizophrenia back in the 60s. When she died in the early 2000s it was due to complications of vascular dementia! I was diagnosed with schizophrenia just a couple of months ago! I just had my MRI still waiting on results! But I'm expecting to find enlarged fluid pockets in the brain causing pressure issues as well as signs of stroke and vascular dementia!
He stopped taking the drugs, cognitive impairment gone. Don't coldturkey second generation drugs, this leads to brain damage and you can also die from it.
He didnt take the medication. See the irony ? A schizophrenic would never trust a doctor. And he turns out to be correct. The one time where the Schizophrenic would like the doctor to be correct. The doctor is wrong.
Horseshit. Cognitive impairment is not the core of schizophrenia. At it’s core, schizophrenia is a *PSYCHOTIC* disorder. That’s why the DSM calls it a psychotic disorder, and not a cognative disorder. It is not possible to have schizophrenia without having a positive symptom, but it is possible to have schizophrenia without any cognitive problems. In fact most of the cognitive impairment that schizophrenics have is CAUSED by the antipsychotic medications. Psychiatrists make a lot of mistakes. Trying to classify schizophrenia as a cognitive disorder and not a psychotic disorder is one of them.
I disagree somewhat yes it is a psychotic disorder just like bipolar, but I have been diagnosed schizophrenic or actually schizoaffective because I I also am diagnosed bipolar 1 which I think makes me more psychotic. On the other hand the main thing with my schizophrenia is the cognitive deficits. I am realizing that I am more delusional than originally thought but don't have many typical hallucinations. Most of my hallucinations are body senses not seeing things or hearing things. I have no idea what my z-score is though haven't got that far yet!
They have to assign the cognitive impairment to a symptom of schizophrenia, otherwise it would be more obvious how harmful those drugs are and they are pushing them for everything.
I don't have schizophrenia. I have bipolar, PTSD and autism but my IQ dropped almost 30 points in 20 years. Luckily it was high to start with so I was still on the high end of average.
My dear friend seems to be suffering from something. She has severe mood swings and will start calling me names and being mean to me for no real reason. She starts calling me a narcissist. She watches all these narc videos. I think they are brain washing her. She wants to blame me for everything. I've had many pleasant times with her, but they always deteriorate. She has had some substance abuse issues and has had alcohol disease most of her life beginning with childhood abuse. While I want to believe some medication will help her, I think her anger stems from trauma as a child, possible rape, and other trauma that hasn't been dealt with by a counselor. It's been difficult trying to be her friend. I'm helping her and doing all types of things for her, but she is always angry at me. I believe she just needs some counseling to deal with the repressed memories of the trauma she experienced.
Jesus can help you. Also stay away from junk food,drugs and alcohol. Hope this helps,I know it helps me to deal with it. Not saying you do those things but I know certain medications made mine worse.
@@Catlily5 There is no test for "psychosis", just a subjective judgment, so how do you know it causes brain damage? You sound like a writer of the horror movie " A Nightmare on Elm Street" if you go to sleep you will die, but if you don't sleep you also die.
@@markae0 My friend went off his medicine and into a psychotic episode where he believed that a woman wanted to marry him. In actuality she did not. He also believed he was a good satan. After being extremely psychotic for a few weeks he was never the same again. I read that severe psychotic episodes can cause brain damage and because of what happened to my friend I believe it. There may not be a test for psychosis but when someone is extremely out of touch with reality it is recognizable. Like in my friends case we knew that the woman didn't want to marry him. She didn't like him.
Are the schizophrenic people taking antipsychotics at the time of the tests? If so what effects do these drugs have on performance? Has the general population taking the Q scores been taking the same antipsychotics?
In effects of childhood therpy. If an individual who is an adult that at one time have had a sever head collision not once but twice where, and a collective abuse as a child with hits to the head with meatl objects such as rings and gems on that ring. Knowing that later that the adult individual my have taken medication thorough out there childhood to adulthood but received a Collage education and proffesion. But handed agate to function with the tryna. What are considered. Beside individuals that are trying to progressively to live a normal life. Cognitively functioning in trying to receive full guardianship in a Disability Court of law . In order to move into earning the freedom of being able to re-enter into a normal functioning living standard..
Could be a personality disorder related to it like Schizoid or Schizotypal. I have Schizoid, but after watching this, I definitely have cognitive impairment...
Sounds more like a sales rep for pharma, as opposed to a critically-thinking, concerned mental health professional. It's a madness in itself, how some people can be so convinced of their own version of reality, based on small amounts of information that is additionally absent of the qualitative views of the conditions they speak of. I remain unsurprised that the man sounds American. That place is so far up it's own hole, it can see out of it's own eyes, twice. Really wish I could sue for the time I dedicated to listening to this, which is something I'll seemingly never get back. Thanks anyway but I must dash. Dunning Kruger is knocking at the door.
I have the diagnos Bath its only fake to hide my embarrassment I dont care any more I go Swiming to day But I slimm and people feel embarrassment for Mee They dont like my naket boddy I dont care but people inkluding health care try to trick me Im small sorry all embarrassment people
My IQ was higher to my comment because it is so! Just because they say I am, they don’t know! Please know everything is true. We want to all be the way is best and can be everywhere! Thank you
So why fight AGAINST them getting: usefulness, work, fun, fulltime-career, independence, friendships, accomplishments, healthy food, gym memberships,;, knowing that this will help them, learning disabled, autistic, anxiety, bipolar, child-abuse-victims, "normal people" (!?!?!?,;,&;,;,)
When I was in the Syke ward in the hospital they felt I had Schizophrenia. Now my therapist said she disagrees that I’m Bipolar1 , ptsd, ocd, severe anxiety. So who do I believe. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you
It’s difficult to say but I would start with someone who’s knows you who has gotten to spend time with you . It’s hard to find a good therapist or psychiatrist but keep trying they are out there ! Take your time before changing & always voice your concerns & thoughts . Some people diagnose based off a 5-10 minute appointment which is a good start but not enough , others diagnose based off a report from a previous facility who may not have gotten to spend time with you either . You’ll know when you find a good provider !
Are delusions causes of or caused by low IQ? Perhaps they are both affected by the same lesions or imbalances. OTOH they could be caused by compounded effects of multiple undermining experiences.
I also quite curious about that. Do you find your answer? In my case, my IQ get lessened the more the time closed around my 1st episode of Schizophrenia. I had it high before I get near this event in my life. It lessened because of age too! Strange huh?
@@zincronium2719 Interesting - conflicting influences are less likely to be causes of tension as we age perhaps. This genetic fatalism of the early decades of the century has taught us little about how to cope when stuff goes wrong. Since any tweeking of point mutations across complexes of hundreds pleiotropic genes is unlikely to provide effective solutions to our mental health, that's probably just as well.
I was diagnosed with sz at 21. I hold a bachelor's in philosophy and a masters in the humanities. Everyone is different. Find a path that you love and you will be ok. Don't worry about numbers.
Thanks you sir you provide hope
How is it possible? I have sciza and im stupid after diagnosed
Im have paranoid sz and are currently applying to programming school
Daamn! How's your memory @@sibjor2023
I had an imaginary dog for years, never had a problem with it untill I had room mates who thought the dog was real. Then it got to be really fun; I pooped on the carpet in the living room; it really is hard to overcome a lifetime of toilet training to defacate in the living room so as to blame it on the imaginary dog, but six beers and a doobie and it was done. Now to forget about it so I can act like I didn’t know, I did that too. Then the day came my room mate told me they knew about the dog, I told them that I took him to the pound after he shit in the house. Well that broke their heart! We could’ve had a dog together! I just wanted to meet him! What kind of dog was he? A Dalmatian, i said. I named him Boner. Having fun with no money ladies and gentlemen.
I have schizaphrenia. It's like dreaming while you are awake. Unfortunately that can be a nightmare and not a dream.
???? That is not what I experience at all. Just voices of people that I have strong emotions for coming from about south-west of my view.
For me cognitive impairment only occurs during episodes. Prior to the onset of my illness I was studying astrophysics in college and was doing calculus on a regular basis. During my episodes I can't even do simple arithmetic.
I actually almost completely feel this. I have PTSD. Not schizophrenia. But I'm a math centric individual. And I can't work if I feel unwell. I can't do anything at all if I feel unwell. I freeze. Sometimes I feel cheated. Imagine how much more I could have done by now if I didn't go into a literal gut twisting terror rage and lose my fucking mind on average three times a week? But when that happens, my mind goes just ping pong. Like a million little balls just flying in every single direction. Can't catch any of them. Working under that condition is... Labourous.
True! During episodes cannot even remember correctly and reasoning at all! This sickness makes us stupider in some ways... it's unfortunate to have the sickness. Prior to my 1st episode, I can reasoning and thinking better. Now I become very forgetful and fear the mass of people. Performance becomes so low that I can barely pass the final stage on college. 1st episode on my final college stage, untreated until I finished it.
@@zincronium2719 Are there not any treatment or training that could partly reverse this ? It’s such a shame that you lost lost so much. In my adolescence I had a dark horror that something very bad would happen in my brain. I thought I developed schizophrenia, with only negative symptoms. But I managed university and a qualified profession, but did not a great career. I didn’t have social skills either, but managed. Now I think I had/have (?) autism.
@@martinasikk6162 my psychiatrist said I must eat my medicine everyday regularly. Exercise, relax, develop my hobbies. Other than that, not so much other type of treatment to reverse it.
I had low scores in memory and some with fluency. I'm definitely not the sharpest in the shed. While I got a 116 on the IQ test, it didn't represent total function because I struggled with the various tasks, but I did well in others. I had a hard time with visual distraction. People think they have a gift when they have schizophrenia thanks the media. It's more or less a curse.
its not we use our brain different, dont be discouraged be creative a follow your passion f what these peopl say f these tests the say nothing it's the conditioning like this and as result the stigma that leaves us numb... o the misinformation. trust yourself, then trust others its gaslighting you so you will isolate and keep yourself away from them, only bc they are uncertain and affraid... its called projective identification
Well also has a schizophrenic I can see it both ways and a few other ways! But that's the point we don't think like neurotypical people. I can understand that yes we do seem to have some cognitive differences, but that doesn't mean we're less! In some ways it does mean we're more.
The doctors really don't know much about it. That video is 7 years old now and they really don't know anything else!! And like he said the antipsychotics only helped a little bit if you are hallucinating and are totally delusional, which I don't and not very much. But I'm really not looking forward to the Alzheimer's and the Parkinson's!!
Not the sharpest in the shed? Thats a good IQ score, since 100 is the average. Don't belittle yourself, there are enough shit people in life who will do that to you. Watch a beautiful mind.
I think I could be on be spectrum because I can get forgetful and I could have poor coordination.
What about treatments?
I think anybody would have cognitive impairment if society treated them like garbage and isolated them.
It’s the disease
"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first of all check that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes."
William Gibson ( b.1948 )
This was 11 years ago, back when I was first diagnosed. I have always been intelligent, but not smart, and the illness + antipsychotics both made me lose my intelligence. I wonder what remedies exist.
I was quite intelligent till I started taking olanzapine 20 mg. Olz 20 mg made me a dumb person. In my case, it was the antipsychotic drug that did the cognitive impairment to me.
My daughter (now 26yrs old) was diagnosed with schizophrenia in August of 2020, and diagnosed with "high functioning autism " in 2014. Her skill set of every function is that of a 3yr old now. The psychiatrist she sees seems to be at a loss , and has been changing medications ritually.... possibly to appease me. He says she is a "special case" , and he's correct! She was also diagnosed with T.O.F. at 4 DAYS old, and had open heart surgery at 6 months old. There are medications that could be problematic if taken , because of her heart condition.
A good day is : her not hitting herself, nodding yes, using the toilet with guidance, and allowing me to bathe and groom her. I am her 24/7 caregiver and use a baby monitor. I wish there was a specialist close to me that'd go above and beyond to help me figure out what's happening Versus ... just swapping out meds that are next on a list. I'm mentally and physically strung out , and I'm emotionally struggling some days. Her autism symptoms were a walk in the park ... in hindsight 😑
You are such a great mother with beautiful heart !! I always wish too have a mamma like you !! But here in my real life I am dealing with the mother who never supports me for anything..she is narcissist..my parents always fight at home....i too diagnosed with depression anxiety and ocd ..I had psychotic episode also...but more than a meds self love and spirituality healed me...quickly.i came out of psychotic drugs withdrawal symptoms also. Eating nutritious food and positive healing thoughts calm music being touch nature helped to heal.i am not taking medicine anymore....but still sometimes I get anxiety attacks .thats okay I console myself.i make a distinction between me and mind .I get the control easily.we are not our thoughts or mind..we are more than that.!! suffering from schizophrenia is a hell.. sometimes meds make it worst. Hope you are daughter ( my sister )) recover soon. I am also 25 now. I love your kind heart mamma ....you are gem of person.you are doing great.you are a great mom.❤️💐 I am from India. Sorry for my English mamma.🙏
Did you treat her autism with medication? That would explain the development of schizophrenia... You're switching those drugs a lot? That inflicts a lot of brain damage. They have different receptor bindings. You are trusting people who have no clue what they are doing.
What are you doing to empower her and provide a trauma-free environment?
@@cjgodley1776 what help are we giving this heroic person ,?.As a society ,there is insufficient help for Carers .They save taxpayers a fortune by caring for those who need help ,and we need to recognise their contribution and help them !.
I wish so too and am praying for you - and her ♥️
I was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder and had problems from the time I was a little girl. I had problems daydreaming in class. I also have problems with spatial relations, memory problems and learning. I had problems pacing myself in class and reasoning. I was always depressed and paranoid. I am unable to do math. Because, I cannot use abstract reasoning. It’s terribly frustrating. It has only gotten worse. My IQ is high normally. But, I can’t use what I have and it’s only getting worse. I know that some of it is from psychotropic medications. I couldn’t take the SAT’s. I failed the basic literacy tests and had to take it twice. It took me 6 years to get my associates degree. I have almost been fired due to me taking so long to learn things and not being able to keep up. Luckily people knew me as I worked there for so long. Then, I got layed off. I know that I will have trouble with my memory and can’t learn things quickly. Nobody wants to take the time to teach me. I have been a productive member of society until now. I can live on my own. But, my father has to check on me every day. I can do simple things like word searches and color in a coloring book. Most people in my family are genuses and are making great salaries. But, they aren’t like me. I have had frustration playing games, especially memory games and have struggled all of my life, feeling “stupid” and “wouldn’t amount to anything” per most of the children.
Do you ever get sad trying to remember? Sometimes I do and I'm afraid when im older I wont be able to remember at all...
@@kobanebook9888 Yes, I get sad. Especially, when I get yelled at for not being able to learn or go faster. I also get very frustrated when I can’t keep up with everyone else and am not following directions. So, I can see where the frustration makes you sad. I also get very hurt when yelled at.
I'm sorry, I hope you start to feel good most the time
@@kobanebook9888 Thank you
Aw, thank you due sharing that. Very Interesting and also sad no one would take the time to teach you. We are all in such a rush for nothing these days. I'm sorry.
The first thing I noticed when my friend got schizophrenia was the extreme loss of her intelligence. It was dramatic, sudden and pervasive. 3 years on she has finally got an official diagnosis and we know what it is. But for a long time I felt really frustrated, was unsure what had happened to her brain, some sort of event causing brain damage was what I was worried about. She had been extremely sleep deprived for months then suddenly went mentally slow and was hearing odd sounds. That was the beginning of it all.
It was really unexpected for a mother, wife, in her late 30’s who had never done drugs nor had mentioned any mental illness in the family. Just bizarre.
Extreme sleep deprivation can lead to psychosis and hearing odd sounds. Psychosis is not automatically schizophrenia. I'm so sorry that your friend had to go through this. She might just have some medical or neurological issue that affected her sleep. If she'd been on Benzodiazepines, she might have been suffering from the withdrawal effects that could last years. Many people get misdiagnosed with schizophrenia because they don't get a proper medical evaluation. Have you seen the movie 'Brain on Fire'? It's based on the true story of a writer who would have been diagnosed as psychotic or schizophrenic when what she really had was encephalitis.
@@czlucar she’s been in and out of care for 3 years. Monitored by psychiatrists and psychologists continually for 3 years at home and also under 24/7 monitoring in hospital by experts in the field for a total of over 6 months, (one being the highest ranking psychiatrist in our state) they did not jump to a conclusion, we have one of the best heath are systems in the world, and she has received an extraordinary amount of specialist assessment and care, they took their time and were extraordinarily thorough. Why would you assume that these experts would have misdiagnosed her? Are you some global expert with some knowledge that they don’t know? Because if you have some secret knowledge that these people don’t have after their decades of study at the best universities in the world and their decades of experience, I’m sure they’d love for you to educate them.
@@moonsharn I'm sorry but TH-cam won't allow links to articles. I can only post an excerpt. Long term antipsychotic treatment is being reconsidered even by some prominent psychiatrists and researchers. Even long term use of benzodiazepines is being reconsidered because it's harming so many patients, but I don't think mainstream psychiatry has admitted to it yet.
"Long-term treatment is not necessary for all
Robin Murray (King’s College, London) took the opposing view, that antipsychotics are not necessary for long-term prophylactic treatment of all patients with schizophrenia.
Although antipsychotics are important in the acute phase, long-term prophylaxis is less clear cut. Patients are reluctant to take long-term treatment when they are feeling well, especially with a side effect burden including obesity.
Prof Murray suggested one-fifth of patients could stop antipsychotics after their first episode, and more may be able to reduce doses. In a 10-year follow-up study8, 19% of those with schizophrenia had no psychotic symptoms and were off antipsychotics. In another study, outcomes were better at 18 months in the continuation arm, but by 7 years those in the decrease/stop arm were functioning better.
Prof Murray concluded that antipsychotics should not be abandoned, but with long-term treatment to use the minimum possible dose for shortest possible time, aiming to stop in some patients.
The future
When patients initiate stopping treatment the psychiatrist’s role is to support their decision-making
Overall there was more agreement than disagreement, with both clinicians acknowledging the pros and cons of prophylactic treatment, and suggesting dose reduction is considered. They stressed the need for research to identify which patients can stop, when and how. Often the patient initiates stopping treatment, and the psychiatrist’s role is to support their decision-making, with best available evidence." - Are antipsychotics needed for the long-term treatment of schizophrenia? - Schizophrenia - 08.07.2020
@@moonsharn RE: misdiagnosis, "In a small study of patients referred to the Johns Hopkins Early Psychosis Intervention Clinic (EPIC), Johns Hopkins Medicine researchers report that about half the people referred to the clinic with a schizophrenia diagnosis didn’t actually have schizophrenia. Schizophrenia is a chronic, severe and disabling disorder marked by disordered thinking, feelings and behavior. People who reported hearing voices or having anxiety were the ones more likely to be misdiagnosed.
In a report of the study in the March issue of the Journal of Psychiatric Practice, the researchers say that therapies can vary widely for people with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, major depression or other serious types of mental illness, and that misdiagnosis can lead to inappropriate or delayed treatment.
In a small study of patients referred to the Johns Hopkins Early Psychosis Intervention Clinic (EPIC), Johns Hopkins Medicine researchers report that about half the people referred to the clinic with a schizophrenia diagnosis didn’t actually have schizophrenia."
@@moonsharn I wish I could link to some Ted Talk videos. One by Eleanor Longen on her diagnosis of schizophrenia and deterioration in a psychiatric institution until she found an enlightened psychiatrist who believed she could recover. She's now a research psychologist. Another by Dr. Bessel van der Kolk on how a diagnosis is not only stigmatizing but can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I have adhd, bipolar, and schizophrenia. Life is hard but with help I'm still going to school and working to take care of my kids. I have a 130+ IQ BUT my deficits in cognition has truly affected my life negatively which shows on my neuropsychology tests. I think there's a large issue with lumping IQ and cognitive tests.
My ex-girlfriend became very impaired by schizoaffective disorder, she couldn't finish college and had already presented poorly in high-school, while before she was a model student. But some people with schizophrenia seem to be mostly unaffected cognitively, so it's kind of a hit or miss.
This is what i was wondering. My nephew seems as clear and smart and present when he is stable and on meds. I don’t see the difference.hmmmm
@@mzlee333 "No behavior or misbehavior is a disease or can be a disease." They are not medications, but drugs.
This is interesting to me because I have this disorder, and have been tested. My IQ blew everyone away because my acedemic scores were nearly all Fs for years. My mind works in a very specific manner and my condition makes me extremely sensitive to external stimuli. My environment must be specific to my needs for me to process information. This includes home life. When I have what I need through the whole day, my scores skyrocket.
How do you adapt the external environment to your specific needs though?
I was diagnosed with this a few years ago,I believe its mild compared to others,but I have suffered through early childhood on up always knew I was different from others. I always wondered where the face recognition came from when one of my husband's friends would come over to see him and he wasn't home,he would ask well who was it? What did he look like? I'd be like I don't know. And I would get people mixed up with each other. I 've always had problems remembering vehicle's as well. See and hear things that aren't there. But I thank God that I don't have it as bad as other ppl do,I feel so sorry for them, Its scarey when you see a sheet of paper on the floor flipping around and moving in the air and no one else see's it.
I think almost everyone is touched by it,some have it worse then others.
I've always had problems with facial recognition as well. Never occurred to me that it might be tied to having schizophrenia.
@@sailorstarrr me too, I also can't remember where I'm going if the place is unfamiliar without google maps
Idk if that's how it is for me if I have it. I think I'm Borderline though for sure
"It's scary when you see a sheet of paper on the floor flipping around and moving in the air and no one else's sees it." - I have auditory and tactile! So I hear mass of people talking to each other about me being a fake Albert Einstein but no one else hear them talk trash about me at all.
My brain was totally normal until I got a shot of Invega. I was great at my job, memory, and could talk your ear off on anything. Then I got horrible insomnia, memory deficits and anhedonia. Gone. Can't remember what I just read.
did you recover?
Ding, ding, ding! The MEDS are 90% of the problem, NOT the condition itself.
@@cjgodley1776Both actually give you brain damage. Both the illness and the medicine. My friend went off his medicines and had a bad psychotic and manic episode. He was never the same after that episode. Bad psychotic and bad manic episodes damage the brain. So does medicine but it takes longer.
this illness really hurt and stopped my progression in life i hope there is a cure soon for my Cognitive impairment so i can start doing some thing i see that will help me have a positive effect on my day to day life living with schizophrenia is hard its like endless nightmare and constant suffering
How are you keeping now bro
@@Slidehhy with meds i am doing good now apart from attentions and weak memory problems
@@ehabalsorady4918 what meds you on? And do they work for negative symptoms
I have been diagnosed as schizophrenic and my IQ is 'Superior' or even 'Gifted'.
Extremely educational,I'm 59 years old with schizophrenia and bipolar1 and now I'm noticing Avolition and it's a big problem.
Same
I get paranoid too part of same illness I find sleeping it off helps
i tried taking an anti inflammatory during a 48 hour heavy psychosis and my stress went away straight away and fell into a great mood.
i drank a drink called lemsip multi symptom relief
Interesting
Mental illness causes a lot of inflammation.
I have schizoaffective bipolar disorder - i had to drop out of college and currently I'm disabled. I have had 2 weight loss surgeries since dropping out of college which have changed my life, plus I take invega, both in shot and pill form.
Long-term use of major tranquilizers might be what's causing the cognitive impairment. Psychiatric researcher Robin Murray has this to say:
“There is no doubt that antipsychotics are necessary in acute active psychosis. But do (we) have to continue to prescribe them in some patients because we have rendered the D2 [dopamine] receptor supersensitive to the excess dopamine released? I, and indeed most investigators, have neglected this vitally important question.”"
Are you aware that many patients weaned off the drugs recover? Dr. Robin Murray also has this to say:
"“Amazingly, such is the power of the Kraepelinian model that some psychiatrists still refuse to accept the evidence, and cling to the nihilistic view that there exists an intrinsically progressive schizophrenic process, a view greatly to the detriment of their patients.”
My sister had serious side effects from the drugs and had to stop taking them. She suffered even more after that. Her behavior became even more paranoid and erratic. She thought someone broke into her home and fixed her toilet and had more instances where she thought people broke into her home and stole things but replaced the stolen items with something else. She also thought someone had access to her computer and phone. Terrible illness, especially when the person is paranoid.
@@patsmith5859 Psychiatrists like it when patients and their social circle blame side effects from the drugs or reactions to stopping them on their mental illness. It absolves them of any responsibility and makes it easier to manage them by just adding more drugs. Stopping any psychiatric drug, especially cold turkey, will have side effects. Patients need to be carefully weaned from these drugs, and even then, it can get worse before it gets better. Just ask someone who's done it. Check out these Ted Talks to find out more. 'On a scale of 1-10 how crazy are you' by Elizabeth Kenny and 'The voices in my head' by Eleanor Longden.
This was 11 years ago. Hope psychiatry has evolved somewhat since then in its understanding of what's diagnosed as schizophrenia. I think many clinicians now recognize that schizophrenia is biopsychosocial. There's also more of an awareness that many could recover when the drugs are used short term. And that a lot of the cognitive impairment might be from the antipsychotic drugs used to treat it, or just not being able to attend to much to the world outside when they're feeling such turmoil inside or feeling such fear that they're hyper-focusing. As much as some psychiatrists would like to see it as a brain disease, if it really were one, it would be something for neurologists to diagnose with biomarkers and treat. Many can recover if given the chance and given hope. I'm worried that people diagnosed with schizophrenia are misled into believing that they can never recover.
I'm moving closer to my kind. Antipsychotics make it so that.I can do basic tasks, which I couldn't do without them. Don't think I like the meds. It used to be nearly impossible for me to dress myself in Virginia or focus my brain with al the chitchat. I wore a pair of jeans stained with urine for a month or more. While I'm not as "creative" on meds, I can at least make dinner. People don't know how much this sucks. They'll fix it in my lifetime, I believe.
i wish you all the luck in the world. i am going through the early stages of this disease. it’s life changing. i’m only 23. let’s pray they can find a treatment for negative symptoms soon.
Can you please share your medicine names
these idiots will fix nothing. they do not even know 1% of the illness, let alone treatment, let alone causal treatment. its a brain disease. i feel the same. totally crushed.
Ive been alongside my daughter for 27 years
She was diagnosed at 2 with aspergers , after puberty she had her first psychotic break consequently her diagnosis changed....UNDESCRIPT schizophrenia was added to her high functioning aspergers/autism
NOW her major challenge is in fact dellusional thinking due to schizophrenia
What about abstract thinking? I have trouble socially and don't do well with vague information, like when a pharmacist tells me they'll let me know when my medication is ready. I didn't know where to stand, how long to wait, etc.
So ask them how long and go sit on a seat.or come back in 5 minutes
I have schizophrenia and I can feel my cognitive decline with things such as reactivity and hand eye coordination ive always had very exceptional hand eye coordination but it just seems to get progressively worse and my reactions in physical sports is losing its touch too, I feel a lot slower on some days too this is definitely a less severe symptom in my illness and I find I can still do more complicated math and physics problems but there are days where I do struggle to focus/concentrate and sometimes I will find myself going from doing a problem to just staring at a random spot on the wall, the weird thing is Im not even really thinking about anything im looking at the wall like its a rainbow or something its not like I think the wall is beautiful its more like you know when you look at a picture online or when you go out in public when your eye focuses on a new object/scene you automatically just focus on the thing that interests you the most its something like that im not hallucinating that theres something on the wall Its just for some reason as interesting to me as looking outside of a window
Everyone is like that. Everybody’s mind wanders. It doesn’t mean you’re sick.
And then after the menopause you get brain fog and you often can’t remember the words for things, or remember what you’re doing .
And I’ve never been able to hit a ball because of my eyesight. It’s not important to be able to play sports. It won’t get you a job.
And I’m not good with certain people’s faces.
What you describe sounds like normal life to me.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree I was talking about the scientific part about the video I wasn't here to give a full list of cognitive symptoms I started failing in school because I had very bad brain fog I was talking about hand eye coordination because that's where my mind goes when I think of cognitive decline (ex. I trip a lot because I have bad hand eye coordination and it got bad enough to where I had to get an MRI) I was just going over one issue of brain fog, the issues that made it hard to do school were inability to focus, unable to think like you start a thought process and then you just randomly zone out (best way I have of describing it) and yeah that alone doesn't make you "sick" as you put it but if you are hearing voices isolating struggling to deal with daily tasks that most people can do then there is something going on. I don't really like to use the word "sick" because it doesn't really feel like a sickness although some people do think of it like that it just feels like its the way my brain operates and its different from what society deems to be the norm.
thank you for writing this eth.
I'm so sorry you have this illness. My sister had this and she suffered terribly her entire life. I think this is probably the most serious illness one can get. Hopefully, yours is not as debilitating as my sisters. I'm sending light and love to you.
Wow! This exactly describes my brother-in-law. Thank you.
It's not the condition, it's the treatment.
And what is your name, doctor?
@@patsmith5859 😆
When they communicate with a schizophrenic with there heart intelligence , the one suffering from schizophrenia will respond totally coherent but if they adress them from their intellect there will be a protection and a rejection of communication
You don't understand the disease. This is ridiculous.
Thank you for sharing!!. I also started hearing the voices, along with the shadows. I started thinking about my life and memories brought me to the conclusion that I have always heard voices but never paid attention to where they was coming from. I am 31 and noticed the voices big time now. The voices ont feel fake, they even tell me it's nanotechnology and the people. For me it even feels that the whole world is in on this conspiracy that I like to believe schitsofrenia is made up. The voices tell me I'm targeted because I'm perverted and what not. My thoughts are read before I even noticed them. I search nanotechnology and it's a technology that can manipulate your mind and manipulate your feelings. Something positive I can leave you with is, find a way to love music, wear headphones! A good pair. Watch good movies that fill your heart up with happiness and tranquility. . Prepare yourself for one day your love of your life is no longer in your life. Save money for the rainy days. Love you !!
Love you too. Stay strong
I feel the same
I sometimes get delusional thoughts of acts of violence. I could be talking to the nicest person in the world, even an old lady, and i will randomly picture knocking them out as i zone out from what they are saying for about 2 or 3 seconds, at which point i subconsciously tell my self that these are evil thoughts and snap straight back out of it. I am very compassionate and wouldnt hurt a fly. It scares me sometimes but i know i am in full control of my actions. I immediatly regret the thoughts which sometimes can feel somewhat cartoonish and immature..
I totally get where you are coming from. I was diagnosed with Schizoaffective disorder late 2018 and I couldn’t explain the fantasies of violence that I was having. I take medications but the thoughts still remain and it scares me a lot. I know that I’m in charge of my actions but sometime in middle of an episode I have to wonder “ Will this be the day that I lose it?’ It’s annoying to space out for seconds at a time. I have to fake what I heard and sometimes ask people to repeat what they said. I feel like a scrambled ticking time bomb and I hate it.
Call on Jesus quickly in these situations and just see what happens. Jesus help me.
That's not a mental disorder that's a normal variant called 'call of the void'. It's created by the creative and empathetic brain to train your impulse control
@@dydx8585It can be a part of schizophrenia.
It is called OCD. 40 percent of the schezofrenics have these compulsive thoughts. It is a stress symptom.
I have Schizophrenia. Sometimes, it's hard to learn anything. Mostly, my memory is garbage. I'm looking into NLP for cognitive symptoms and memory
What is NLP?
@@rosettebattista6121 neuro linguistic programming
Very good and informative video.. I wish I had seen this years ago.. when my daughter became unwell.. it would have helped me so much.My grandson who has recently been diagnosed, is exactly the way you describe.. thank you for explaining it..
What about antidepressants? In particular, drugs which increase norepinephrine in the prefrontal cortex?
I take them, made great difference for me.
My hallucinations, delusions, memory and attention have declined a lot since graduating last year from high school. I haven’t be diagnosed with anything major, mainly cause I just don’t talk too much about it, but it can be a number of things that affect these problems I have. I’m 99% certain I don’t have schizophrenia, and it often irks me when people infer that I do. No disrespect, but until a doctor tells me I have whatever illness, you can’t just go around saying you have it or someone else does. I find it disrespectful to those who do, because they struggle with it. I can understand what people with schizophrenia go through to a certain extent I believe. It’s a hard thing to go through and sometimes down right scary. I hope one day they find a way to help these people, to where they don’t have to have scary experiences or a decline in social and cognitive connections.
I know someone who has hallucinations and she is the weirdest most socially awkward person I know. I feel for her, to a certain extent because the choices she makes, are HER choices. I suspect she does have some sort of mental disorder, because she is very different and says some interesting things. But because I am not a doctor I cannot and will not assume she has schizophrenia. She "jokes" about getting high off of her seizure medicine and it genuinely concerns me, but I love analyzing her in social situations even though it may make me uncomfortable. I really do hope they bring this disorder to light so that more can be done to treat people with it. I cannot even begin to imagine the immense pain and struggle.
Seek a diagnosis
Is it the course of disease which reduces IQ or cognition or is it the treatment side effects which cause it?
Has to be the treatment. Because I definitely have it, I literally hear people talking all the time that I havent seen in years. Its so bad that my head even has to turn into the direction where their voices are coming from when I reply (which I seem to have lost control over, literally cant suppress replying). My mind still works excellent. If I have to perform I perform. I attest this to me refusing to get treatment.
Both can.
I know people on medication who perform well and people off of medicine that perform poorly. It could go either way.
It's the meds.
@@AmandaHugandKiss411 Meds can cause some brain damage but so can bad psychotic or manic episodes. This happened to my friend. He went off his medicine and had a really bad psychotic and manic episode and he was never the same again.
Thank you doctor, extremely informative video.
It's very, very difficult to focus on anything when one is being distracted. Does this then lead to the 'appearance' of cognative decline in schizaphrenia? Are those that are treatment resistant, the ones that suffer the most cognative impairment due to the continuance of distracting positive symptoms? Are treatment resistant patients more cognitively challenged than those who are not TRS?
lovely video, the information is really well presented, nice that you provide reference to literature for if we want to have a more in depth look.
Can you please explain what is Hemsley’s model of the attentional deficit that occurs in Schizophrenia please?
Im very sensitive to coherent cognition...my brain tunes to it but rapidly falls away if dissonance from schizophrenia in communications with a patient occurs. Certain people are incoherent to me as my brain fails to process their mess of communications. I have wondered whether cognition can be stolen by implementing warfare in psycho environental stress with controls at the communicative level. Basically i believe a coherent environment wires the brains communications to qdapt and increases intelligence. But the opposite is true and is thus environmental to the point of warfare.
Can a person gain enhanced /super human cognition sometimes during the day, just because he has schizophrenia?
Rare deviation to the disorder?
I have a freind, he is very different from most people. When he wakes up in the morning , at ground state , he can defeat a chess master.
Later on, during the day , he loses the ground state , becoming a novice/bad chess player.
From my experience, that is not really surprising. Even a normal person can lose/win sometimes. Your friend seems to put much effort when he won, but not much effort when he lost.
try watching this with subtitles. i had fun
Is the cognitive impairment seen in schizophrenia related in any way to what happens in dementia? Is donepezil a nicotinic?
Schizophrenia was referred to as pre dementia in some of my early research! And I believe that to be true. I'm waiting on some of that myself just like my grandmother did!!
Stoney Vowell It was referred to as predementia in the past, but they no longer refer to it as such because they realized it is either dementia nor pre dementia.
@@Zorkmid123 I'll put it this way. My grandmother was diagnosed with schizophrenia back in the 60s. When she died in the early 2000s it was due to complications of vascular dementia! I was diagnosed with schizophrenia just a couple of months ago! I just had my MRI still waiting on results! But I'm expecting to find enlarged fluid pockets in the brain causing pressure issues as well as signs of stroke and vascular dementia!
@@stoneyvowell1239 Do your own research.
@@stoneyvowell1239 how are you now?hope you're okay
How did _the_ most influential mathematician of the 20c, John Nash, cope with such cognitive impairment?
How did he?
He stopped taking the drugs, cognitive impairment gone.
Don't coldturkey second generation drugs, this leads to brain damage and you can also die from it.
He didnt take the medication. See the irony ? A schizophrenic would never trust a doctor. And he turns out to be correct. The one time where the Schizophrenic would like the doctor to be correct. The doctor is wrong.
John Nash took medicine but stopped. He was also given insulin shock therapy.
He stopped taking medication.
Horseshit. Cognitive impairment is not the core of schizophrenia. At it’s core, schizophrenia is a *PSYCHOTIC* disorder. That’s why the DSM calls it a psychotic disorder, and not a cognative disorder. It is not possible to have schizophrenia without having a positive symptom, but it is possible to have schizophrenia without any cognitive problems. In fact most of the cognitive impairment that schizophrenics have is CAUSED by the antipsychotic medications.
Psychiatrists make a lot of mistakes. Trying to classify schizophrenia as a cognitive disorder and not a psychotic disorder is one of them.
I disagree somewhat yes it is a psychotic disorder just like bipolar, but I have been diagnosed schizophrenic or actually schizoaffective because I I also am diagnosed bipolar 1 which I think makes me more psychotic. On the other hand the main thing with my schizophrenia is the cognitive deficits. I am realizing that I am more delusional than originally thought but don't have many typical hallucinations. Most of my hallucinations are body senses not seeing things or hearing things. I have no idea what my z-score is though haven't got that far yet!
They have to assign the cognitive impairment to a symptom of schizophrenia, otherwise it would be more obvious how harmful those drugs are and they are pushing them for everything.
@@kareendeveraux1847 That's quite likely true.
@@kareendeveraux1847name ONE other disorder that Clozapine is prescribed for. Just one, I'll wait
i actually took the sam iq test 3 years apart and scored 20 points lower :(
I don't have schizophrenia. I have bipolar, PTSD and autism but my IQ dropped almost 30 points in 20 years. Luckily it was high to start with so I was still on the high end of average.
I have skitzorenia. But. Im. 👍 but. I. Must. Stay. Alone. Because. Of. Strange. People. I. Wasn't. Born. With. It.
Very funny, a**hole. We repurpose words, not start putting periods behind every word.
So this was 8 years ago... where is the medicine to help me with my cognitive function??
it works too well so there's no money to be made
My dear friend seems to be suffering from something. She has severe mood swings and will start calling me names and being mean to me for no real reason. She starts calling me a narcissist. She watches all these narc videos. I think they are brain washing her. She wants to blame me for everything. I've had many pleasant times with her, but they always deteriorate. She has had some substance abuse issues and has had alcohol disease most of her life beginning with childhood abuse. While I want to believe some medication will help her, I think her anger stems from trauma as a child, possible rape, and other trauma that hasn't been dealt with by a counselor. It's been difficult trying to be her friend. I'm helping her and doing all types of things for her, but she is always angry at me. I believe she just needs some counseling to deal with the repressed memories of the trauma she experienced.
Why are you her friend then?
Maybe she's right, maybe you're a narcissist.
@@schnaps1428 this channel doesn’t have any content
@@schnaps1428 she doesn’t want you man. Maybe go to Ukraine and be a hero.
thou shalt not kill. thou shalt not steal. thou shalt not commit adultery.
I have scitzoaffective, u could do a video on that
Schizoeffective disorder
Very good suggestion
Schizoaffective actually. Schiz for Schizophrenia , and affective for mood.
Try watching "living well with schizophrenia" it's a great channel on TH-cam, run by a woman with schizoaffective disorder 👍
Yes please do a video on schizoaffective disorder? Not enough is known, especially about how it differs from other forms of schizophrenia.
Schizophrenia is destroying my life. How can I resolve this battle for PEACE.
Try GABA, its OTC so you can get it at the health food store. Don't eat wheat
Jesus can help you. Also stay away from junk food,drugs and alcohol. Hope this helps,I know it helps me to deal with it. Not saying you do those things but I know certain medications made mine worse.
Learn all you can and start understanding it. Be patient and dont stop learning about yourself
@@zithxx_x5319 Thank you for your support.
@@zithxx_x5319 are you norwegian ?
I hope their is medications to improve these functions of the brain...
There was probably nothing wrong with the brain before they broke it with "medications" that are really just drugs.
They just disable and inflict massive brain damage.
@@markae0 Psychosis causes brain damage as well.
@@Catlily5 There is no test for "psychosis", just a subjective judgment, so how do you know it causes brain damage? You sound like a writer of the horror movie " A Nightmare on Elm Street" if you go to sleep you will die, but if you don't sleep you also die.
@@markae0 My friend went off his medicine and into a psychotic episode where he believed that a woman wanted to marry him. In actuality she did not. He also believed he was a good satan. After being extremely psychotic for a few weeks he was never the same again. I read that severe psychotic episodes can cause brain damage and because of what happened to my friend I believe it.
There may not be a test for psychosis but when someone is extremely out of touch with reality it is recognizable. Like in my friends case we knew that the woman didn't want to marry him. She didn't like him.
Are the schizophrenic people taking antipsychotics at the time of the tests? If so what effects do these drugs have on performance? Has the general population taking the Q scores been taking the same antipsychotics?
Yeah! I think that certain things are true although I know it is not so... It really impairs my ability to think and function on a daily basis....
Thank you so much for this video it is tremendously educational are there any other videos by you on this topic?
The Channel "living well with schizophrenia" is quite informative and helpful
I want to know how cognitively stable your intro music guy was.
it was good
The laid back style seems a little inapt given the subject but very classy stuff just the same!@@vakuums1896
What about explicit learning and semantic memory
Cognitive impairment is more due to hallucinations getting in the way of focus and thinking.
That whole intro, then just...hello
Get worse when you get older
In effects of childhood therpy. If an individual who is an adult that at one time have had a sever head collision not once but twice where, and a collective abuse as a child with hits to the head with meatl objects such as rings and gems on that ring. Knowing that later that the adult individual my have taken medication thorough out there childhood to adulthood but received a Collage education and proffesion. But handed agate to function with the tryna. What are considered. Beside individuals that are trying to progressively to live a normal life. Cognitively functioning in trying to receive full guardianship in a Disability Court of law . In order to move into earning the freedom of being able to re-enter into a normal functioning living standard..
I consider this cognitive Impairment I have during my childhood days.....but I had schizophrenia when I became a teenager.....how was that so?
Maybe its autism+puberty and or drugs :v
Could be a personality disorder related to it like Schizoid or Schizotypal. I have Schizoid, but after watching this, I definitely have cognitive impairment...
I appreciate this
Sounds more like a sales rep for pharma, as opposed to a critically-thinking, concerned mental health professional. It's a madness in itself, how some people can be so convinced of their own version of reality, based on small amounts of information that is additionally absent of the qualitative views of the conditions they speak of. I remain unsurprised that the man sounds American. That place is so far up it's own hole, it can see out of it's own eyes, twice.
Really wish I could sue for the time I dedicated to listening to this, which is something I'll seemingly never get back.
Thanks anyway but I must dash. Dunning Kruger is knocking at the door.
I hate myself and want to die..
tameron wheeldon me too
Same
I have the diagnos
Bath its only fake to hide my embarrassment
I dont care any more
I go Swiming to day
But I slimm and people feel embarrassment for Mee
They dont like my naket boddy
I dont care but people inkluding health care try to trick me
Im small sorry all embarrassment people
Childhood rejection is the root of this.. Please watch Frank Hammonds pigs in the parlour.. Full truth understanding and heal.. You are loved 💙
Hack :v
@@thomaswepfer if theres no clue to the cause you can't reject the theory
I believe you are absolutely correct. Has to do with trauma, not the "medical or genetic model" we've been led to believe.
@@cjgodley1776Lots of people experience trauma and rejection. Not all of them become schizophrenic.
@@Catlily5 What is your point?
I function at level intellectually sound it hypertension!
5 words highlighted in red not 4😆
Thanks a lot for this information
My IQ was higher to my comment because it is so! Just because they say I am, they don’t know! Please know everything is true. We want to all be the way is best and can be everywhere! Thank you
Huh, fascinating. I might be schizophrenic
So true.
So why fight AGAINST them getting: usefulness, work, fun, fulltime-career, independence, friendships, accomplishments, healthy food, gym memberships,;, knowing that this will help them, learning disabled, autistic, anxiety, bipolar, child-abuse-victims, "normal people" (!?!?!?,;,&;,;,)
Because it is their ability to function in society and peer groups that holds them back.
When I was in the Syke ward in the hospital they felt I had Schizophrenia. Now my therapist said she disagrees that I’m Bipolar1 , ptsd, ocd, severe anxiety. So who do I believe. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you
It’s difficult to say but I would start with someone who’s knows you who has gotten to spend time with you . It’s hard to find a good therapist or psychiatrist but keep trying they are out there ! Take your time before changing & always voice your concerns & thoughts . Some people diagnose based off a 5-10 minute appointment which is a good start but not enough , others diagnose based off a report from a previous facility who may not have gotten to spend time with you either . You’ll know when you find a good provider !
my reading abilities and literacy capacity is good.
How about someone with a 180 IQ ...is that something else.
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Are delusions causes of or caused by low IQ? Perhaps they are both affected by the same lesions or imbalances. OTOH they could be caused by compounded effects of multiple undermining experiences.
I also quite curious about that. Do you find your answer? In my case, my IQ get lessened the more the time closed around my 1st episode of Schizophrenia. I had it high before I get near this event in my life. It lessened because of age too! Strange huh?
@@zincronium2719 Interesting - conflicting influences are less likely to be causes of tension as we age perhaps. This genetic fatalism of the early decades of the century has taught us little about how to cope when stuff goes wrong. Since any tweeking of point mutations across complexes of hundreds pleiotropic genes is unlikely to provide effective solutions to our mental health, that's probably just as well.
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im fucking nuts, im really fucking nuts. i talk to myself. i hate peanuts. i like brazil nuts.
im not skitz. im fucking nuts. theres aa difference youno
Well hello Professor shiny nose!
Sorry had to laugh
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fooken skitz m8
duh eh? it all these hallucinations and grandiose delusions and pursectory delusions. what it not well leave Asd out it!
im going to sue you for misinformation. get ready to lose your licence
Largactyl..