Tier List Revision: Minas Tirith
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- Y'all thought we forgot about tier list didn't ya?????
Well we're back at it but jumping in with a bit of revision. we have had about a year to mull over our original placements and as we are now older and wiser we thought to make a few changes.
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Just starting to get into the game again, Minas Tirith is the army I'm building and I literally watched your original video yesterday 😂 got my first game in a few weeks and am here for this content 🙌
Man I wouldn't listen to us we're useless 😂
-Liam
For starters, I am quite pleased that a year has seen Elessar reach low B tier. I advocated for it before, and another year of playing him has convinced me he's very playable.
For a longform Gandalf the White essay, in my opinion there are two ways to make Gandalf work. First and foremost is a spam list, because big G needs time to get value and not be needed in combat. Him, Denethor, Hurin, and Irolas at higher points can actually do solid work with an absolute bucket of troops, and as you said you want to double down on shooting as well. The second (and I know you rate these models inside their list, but the three way green alliance for Rohan/MT/Fiefdoms is a goldmine of ways to shore up weaknesses) is to run him with Theodred around 650pts. 6 Might is quite doable there, Theodred hits like a hero twice his cost and is a great target for protective spells like Fortify Spirit, and you get the shooting of Minas Tirith with the Throwing Spears of Rohan, along with F4 Bodyguard cavalry.
As for tactics with him, one interesting thing is that every time you lose priority you can bully a banner, particularly hero banners. A mirror match against Big Bozz, for instance, is actually really rough for Bozz because he's losing that shooting war and he needs to stay on his feet to keep that Banner working. Either he loses priority/doesn't contest a heroic move to ensure he can stand up if he gets Sorcerous Blasted, which means Big G's force keeps up the tempo, or he moves first and gets blasted on his ass. Maybe he resists the first and second shots, but his shooting isn't getting many kills and the grind of MT vs. MT is gonna take a while. This isn't limited to Boromir, of course, with another huge staple of the meta being Suladan. Also D5, so you're blowing him up on 4s in addition to keeping his banner from functioning.
One thing I've found surprisingly worthwhile as well is leaving Shadowfax at home. It means he can get a 3rd attack from a spear even if he's charged (allying in pikes from Fiefdoms isn't a bad time either), you can get that extra couple bodies to really keep him safe, and a 25mm base is a lot easier to keep protected than a 40mm base. It means he can't make big impressive plays on the flanks or dash in/out to chuck spells, but I've found that those get him killed more often than not. It also means he can just go prone if you're really worried about him being shot. He won't be slaughtering hordes of enemies like a mounted combat hero, but he tends to whiff pretty often if you try to do that with him, so best to keep casting and accruing value that way and have him be more of a late game cleaner. Having him still hale and hearty in the center of the board chucking out Immobilizes, Commands, and Sorcerous Blasts to shut down your opponent's own tools and yank models off objectives is pretty clutch.
Lastly, with Lady of Light gone the meta (at least in the states, I know y'all are Aussies) has gotten very complacent towards the tools he brings. Angmar and Ringwraiths in general are everywhere, so Banishment is gonna come up quite a bit. Gandalf the Grey in Laketown, Radagast, and Saruman also aren't uncommon just in general (all of them are pretty solid), especially at the higher points where Gandalf tends to live regardless, so Your Staff is Broken helps you in more matchups there as well.
Is any of this enough to make him S tier? Dear lord no, this is a simple plea to keep him in the obscurity of C tier rather than the dishonor of D tier.
Cheers lads!
P.S. I sometimes bring Osgiliath Vets as a frontline for my Fountain Guard, because C5 means they're still relatively cheap while being able to charge Terror Walls with elf reliability. Really depends if I have the points though, a lot of the time I'll downgrade to WoMT w/Shield because I want another Fountain Guard.
This is the kinda essey I wanted.
Very well written mate and you made some Stella arguments as to why Gdaddy should be bumped back to C Tier.
Big fan of your idea of making a men of the west army (not the LL cause that shit, but that's another can I'd worms).
He is a menace late game no doubt but is the 240 worth it when waiting for him to run around late game?
The meta here with the introduction of the beorings is starting to head toward big combat heros and monsters, so maybe Gandalf the white can make a comeback and who knows maybe I'm a year he will be back at C Tier.
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen 220 is that little bit more affordable to play lategame cleaner, and it paradoxically seems to keep him safer since he's harder to gank, less likely to make big dumb plays, and now has another couple bodies to surround him until then and make you harder to break. I 100% agree that the 240 pricetag really seals the deal for him just not being worth it in that role. Everyone I've seen considers Shadowfax to be an auto-take for the tried and true reasons of "mounts are good and mobile casters are good", but it really does seem to propel him from a C-tier choice into a proper D-tier points sink half the time.
Men of the West LL still makes me sad as well, it wouldn't be good still but Gandalf/Legolas/Gimli/Twins being able to at least lead troops would make it an interesting, if suboptimal, counterpart to the Defenders of Helm's Deep Legendary Legion. Got the Fellowship and a box of WoMT/Warriors of Rohan? Cheap list that goes all the way to 800 right there to get started playing at the local shop, if nothing else. Tempted to just houserule that for the local scene in Maine (Furthest northeast bit in the U.S. if you rightfully can't be bothered to look us up for a TH-cam comment) and see how it goes.
As for Beornings, Gandalf wants no part of those menaces. If bears are everywhere, stick him in D-Tier and leave him, he has no good reliable answers for that train beyond praying to Eru and rolling sixes XD.
I absolutely love that Gandalf is the lowest Hero :) You’re dead on - he is an awesome hero …. But far too expensive to ever really get your worth out of him.
I'm glad you agree mate
He really just doesn't seem to be worth it.
Not a great caster either, making him even less worth it
-Sean
The issue with gandalf is that you pay for everything, but you'll never use everything.
Awesome 💯
Thanks on the list guys. Rly awesome. Poor Os. veterans though : ( . If an argument can be made, when they dont lose Faramir or Boromir and they got a shield, they are the only f4-5 models that can use shielding other than the Fountain guards. So they could be cheaper models that when things go south can hold out maybe two models of the opponent each wiith shielding, better than the regular warriors do (after a shield wall has lost cohesion to not count that D7 which makes them more tanky, which with Ingold isnt that possible but ya know now, say you dont have Ingold xD). Or they could be there to tag two models each and go the shielding way, so more models of your own can be free to go for traps and actually do some killing. If it helps they are rly simillar to Elves with Banner Boromir around. F5 (not shooting elves xD, no elven blade) s3 d6 a1 w1 c5 (army bonus in) on 9 points with just the shield, say 10 cause you paid for that banner. Elf that can shield as long as Boromir is standind :D
Yeah look they aren't terrible, I just feel like there's models either side of them that do one of their jobs but better honestly, like a FTC with shield is only one point more and they get body guard
-Liam
Glad to see Aragron King getting bumoed up, been playing him a lot and in my local monsters are becoming poplar again. deffo agree Citadel guard and Beregond are so unrated.
I've recently seen ellesar put some work in thus me wanting to bum him up.
Do I still think there are much better options 100% but he can definitely put some work in especially against monsters and well now that the bears are showing up everywhere he's probably the best choice of killing them as long as he doesn't wiff haha
-Sean
I don't understand the Irolas neglect. Admittedly, he has no strike. But he has F5, 3 might, march, bodyguard and can make a strike after shielding. He is a fight-winning machine, especially relative to his points, and is great for taking down a horse against a mounted hero.
Personally I don't rate March as heroic, I find it a waste of might most of the time. Cool tool to have in your back pocket but nothing special. I probably use It once every 10 or so games if I have it in my army but even so I never miss it.
Irolas is good don't get me wrong but ingold is just so much better, strike, D7-8 shield wall, his don't back away rule.
If I need to kill an opponents horse I'll just shoot it, or have regular troops do it.
The only thing in my eyes that irolas has over ingold is body guard and I guess F5 (but ingold is backed up by FCG or Cit Guard who get F5 from boz)
Don't get me wrong I like him but he's only getting picked if ingold and hurin have already been taken.
-Sean
Great content as always.
It would be sweet to see a tier list for things like the Fellowship or White Council, which you probably wouldn't use on their own but would ally into other lists (obviously there are LL's for those two, but I'm more interested in an analysis of something like allying in Strider or good Saruman and where they might fit in best).
Might look into something like this in the future.
Maybe 'the best model to ally with another force'
-sean
I'd bump Pippin to bottom of C tier. Purely because he's got Resistant to Magic. It's not that great but keeping that shield wall active is pretty vital and Ingold only has the one Will and Boromir will need his for resisting spells targeted at him. Someone like Elrond who can try natures Wrath for free every turn can run that Will down in 4 turns max but a cheeky extra dice each time and always the ability for someone to resist as long as Pippin is nearby is kinda nice. Same goes for Instill Fear or any other area effect spells. Heroic Defence and two fate can also make him an emergency speedbump.
I'll give ya the emergency speed bump, that's nice, but man it'd be so very easy to avoid him when it comes to his resistance to magic. If he had heroic resolve then maybe we're talking. He's where we belongs 😂
-Liam
Drop Gandalf 20 points and give him a casting re-roll like Saruman and Witch King has and he's perfect. Even better if he gives a 6 inch courage buff, or just treat Gandalf's Maiar presence like a Warhorn, which would be very fitting lorewise. I know Minas Tirith doesn't really need the courage buff but every increase helps. Losing ONE courage test against terror can absolutely obliterate a formation of Warriors in shieldwall. What other things could make Gandalf good? If his profile had no changes, what point cost would make him worth taking?
I have a bone to pick with you guys about Aragorn however. It doesn't really sound like you're considering what the free Might point means for the army. The ability to basically never spend might to take the initiative even in turns where you lose priority is incredible. You make your opponent drain might and possibly waste it while you lose absolutely nothing. But yes, I agree, he IS still too expensive. As he is now, he should be A tier. But if they bump him to F7, where he really ought to be to be honest, then he's worth what he's set to right now. Another thing worth considering is what he does for Hurin. I don't know if you guys have somehow never had ugly situations with Hurin, but I have. 2 attacks is rough on any beatstick, him hovering around Aragorn like some kind of Kingsguard is absolutely epic. He'll always benefit from that banner effect AND get the extra re-roll. 4 dice rolls minimum, 5 if he gets to charge. Aragorn and Hurin combined means you just mow down troops fast, and wipe out monsters quickly while Ingold holds the line. Still though, here's hoping we eventually get some actual Gondor Legendary Legions...
I think there's one thing with Cirion that is being overlooked, and that's spending only 140 points to get 6 more points of might in the form of Murin and Drar. I think it's quite a bargain and worth discussing. Is it amazing? No, but I do think it is pretty good, and a very critical thing to consider. This is particularly good if you get a lot of cheap heroes to get a lot of warriors.
I agree about Osgiliath Vets, they are awful. No shieldwall means they're just crap, sorry but it's true. F5 is overrated anyways, you cannot change my mind. Maybe it just depends on the competitive scene in your region, but in mine so many players are always bringing elves. F5 just means you get a 1/3 chance of winning ties, that's it. What matters more for Minas Tirith is survivability and killing power. D7 is critical. Strength 2 bows needing to roll twice is a big deal. Strength 3, which is basically everything except some humans, morannon orcs, and dwarves needs 6s. D7 also means you can comfortably feint/stab with your front ranks. There's also the synergy with Fiefdoms to consider. For this reason, the Warriors of Minas Tirith are well placed, but I'd put Fountain Court up in S with them. I've used them so many times to just charge a few models and shield to tie them down, it's great. I am shocked that citadel guard with spears are in A though. Wild, I just don't see it. Rangers with spears are so much better. I'd probably only consider citadel guard if I mounted them and gave them a longbow, sent them off to objectives in the corners and shoot from there.
Gandalf definitely needs some changes and absolutely he needs a reroll when casting. As he is now I'd probably not wanna pay more than 170ish.
I rate the idea of a courage buff, maybe a 3' autopass courage aura.
Elesaar is a Curze missile, you just slam him in to shit and he kills, which is great. The free might is also great. But he is so easily stopped by a semi decent player. All you need to do is road block him and if the opponent wants to combat well they aint using that free might of other stuff so now it's coming from his store.
You become way to reliant on him doing all the work that when he gets shut down the rest of your army doesn't function.
Dudes just absolutely MEHH.
yeah look I have no idea why citadel guard with spears are where they are. Definitely a blunder especially with FCG in the mix.
Tho I rate them with longbows even unmounted, won't see me running any S2 bows.
Getting stuff to F5 is pretty big in our scene, we have such a large variety of different factions that get played at every tournaments.
-Sean
Feels like yesterday you uploaded the original Minas Tirith tier list 😅
Definitely agree on the big three. Almost every time I have had a crack with Aragorn and Gandalf I just find myself wishing I had big Boz running around with that big fancy banner. Although Aragorn really pulls his weight against Dwarves, pretty much the only exception where I would prefer him instead.
I actually rate Irolas 🤑. I find him to be very flexible, has the march with the extra might and fight value over the captain but also has the ability to call defence and shield if you need to roadblock somewhere. Plus he has bodyguard which is always a bonus. Lacks shield wall but I more use him as a plug for where he is needed.
Longbow bodyguards are yummy, enough said.
Keep up the good work 🥳
It's really hard to look past Boz and his all mighty banner, it just offers so much to Minas tirith. The big one being the ability to bump Minas tiriths killing power in knights to F4 which is just massive for them.
I do rate Irolas, but I just find it very hard to take him over ingold. I personally don't rate March as a heroic, I can't remember the last time I used it, good tool to have in your back pocket but not worth building a list around, unless your hobbits.
Irolas does have a few nifty rules and can definitely be a road block but I just feel ingold does it better.
You make some great points tho
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen Indeed with those knights being fight 4. Something that often isn't mentioned too much that I find incredible is buffing him to natural fight 7. Really causes fight 6 heroes with strike to preserve might which could have been used to influence the game elsewhere. Or they use it and then just flatten them 🤤
Beregond on foot, with 3 citadel guards with longbows are 60 points, and all have bodyguard. Sit them on an objective and they are gold
About the only argument as to why you would run him in my opinion haha
-Sean
Faramir is a top 3 book character, and I love running him. So it kills me to say this, but he's kind of bad for the points. An extra attack and wound, or a special rule like a 12" stand fast would be delightful
He is bloody awesome in the books and decent in the movies.
His MESBG profile is just lackluster aye, especially now we have Hurin who does basically everything Faz does but better and cheaper.
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen exactly, he needs a little love
I hear Galadriel is great within a Minas Tirith army to support Boromir. Restore fate, and protect from shooting. Would be interesting to see how you would mix armies and what impact this would have on a particular units/hero’s tier. And also discuss what units are best to counter other units. I’m new to MESBG and interested to hear what units would be best for say dealing with A Balrog or Saruman, Aragorn I guess but I gather that most Isengard Amies won’t take Saruman?
I'll be honest man not much is good at dealing with a Balrog.
You ignore it or You just need to feed it a sacrifice or 2 each turn to keep it from moving too much and reaching its full potential.
Could throw your heroes at it and trap it but you better win those fights hahaha
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen as The Balrog should be the fear of the battlefield alongside Sauron, Elendil, The Which King, Gil-galad, Dain, Glorfindel
Oh man...
I'll try to advocate for Gandalf the White here. But before I begin, I should put some context in:
1. I'm from Russia, and Russian MESBG community has a huge preference to magic over shooting. The preference is so strong that 7/10 lists would have 0 shooting but almost guaranteed Witch King or any other Nazgul with some nasty stuff up in their sleeves. Shooting begins to appear in the lists above 700-750 points, but that's usually 2-3 models with bows mostly with the purpose of wasting some time in between rounds of combat.
2. Russian community also likes playing with war beasts like Mumaks, War beasts of gorgoroth and dwarf chariots.
3. I guess I'm still considered a new player with just over a year of proper tournament gaming experience. Can't brag about 100+ games played with Gandalf (about a couple dozen though)
The way I found Gandalf being extremely powerful is through an green alliance with Fiefdoms. I mostly run a fiefdoms army with Prince Imrahil and Forlong as my two main heroes and Gandalf fits really well not only providing strong defense from any casters in the opponents list, but also controlling the war beasts in the mid and late stages of the battle.
Provided the low dice values you need to roll to successfully cast a spell with Gandalf, he typically uses no more than 2 of his will points per turn in the opening part of the game, and by the time the opponents will store is depleted he doesn't need a bunch of dice to hunt for the 6...
The price point, however, really makes Gandalf only playable in the large format (750 points and more, i guess)
In my 20-something games I have not lost Gandalf once, though I certainly agree it is very difficult to play him properly.
Yay so glad you guys revisited
We gonna revisit them all mate
So keep an eye out
-Sean
that intro though. We're going to have to up our game!
I wanna see an animated atomic card intro ASAP
-Sean
I agree on Gandalf. It's a decent profile, but it's not worth 240 points mounted on a horse what may be killed by one stray arrow. He needs something more, like a Third attack (why not? IT'S 240 POINTS!), the ability to cast while engaged or even just make Glamdring into a Masterwork. A fully powered Witchking on fellbeast and Crown of Morgul it's 15 points cheaper than Gandalf on Shadowfast. And for 15 points less I've got a unit that flies and has brutal power attacks as well as a reroll that it's basically one free will, or better since it works for both Casting and Resist.
Where I don't agree it's the King of Men. On his own, it's fine. But, fact is, to play a King of Men you are giving up every other named hero. In an army that depends on their named heroes more than many others. Once you have him fully ready, it's 85 points on horse. 5 less than Hurin on horse. And I do think that most players will rather have Hurin. Kings of Men don't have access to strike, nor they have any special rule that makes it worth the losses. The only time KoM are considered is as green allies to Eorl the Young.
Fighting against 2 kings of men and a couple of captain was a cakewalk. with no named heroes, the whole army has nothing to defend agaisnt anything more than a shieldwall to shieldwall fight.
Without its named heroes, Minas Tirith is left to dice alone.
I'm glad we agree on Gandalf mate.
Yeah look your 100% right about the King of men. On the other side though, I love the king and how a Gondor King army plays.
Spam cheap heroes, and spam troops, backed up with a bolt thrower or 2 is a tough nut to Crack, but is very reliant on the troops of the army.
You are right and in hindsight he should be in B tier
-Sean
You should not forget that the osgiliat veteran has more Courage. With the Army bonus they have C5 and don't realy need Bodyguard. Also they can have Speer and Bow unlike the citadel Guard. The Rangers with speer might be still better but have less courage and only D4. But yehhh they are not a good unit.
I'll take bodyguard over one extra courage any day of the week still, especially when one of those bodyguard units can get to d7!
-Liam
No new ranger heroes? Angborn and Mablung or whatever they're called.
Gandalf is very good, but so expensive for what he does.
Love the new intro lads.
Oh yeah, managed to forget them twice 😅
Third time's the charm maybe?
Probably not
-Liam
I wish Osgiliath Veterans were strength 4, that would make so much sense and it would be more practical.
I don't think str4 would have made sense for them but they needed something to differentiate themselves a little more from the other models in the army
-Liam
@@NoobsandMen Maybe Fearless instead.The profiles just need a change or maybe an osgiliath veteran theme LL.
That just a cit guard or a fountain court guard, I think if they had a bonus to wound orcs or something that would make a heap of sense
-Liam
@@NoobsandMen That is so true, Hatred would be a great special rule for them. Maybe hatred Mordor when Faramir is near them.
You'd have to have a rather specific scenario where (1) Gandalf would die to shooting through Blinding Light, and (2) any other Hero from Minas Tirith would have survived in the same situation.
Maybe Gandalf is positioned in a more exposed way? "Because he has Blinding Light, he's (nearly) immune to shooting!" or something similar. I just cannot see how that could happen otherwise...
Man I've shot Gandalf both white and grey off the table many times. Dunedain and even a Dale bow block is all that's needed.
Sure any other hero could also get shot off the table but they ain't 240pts getting shot off the table. Not to mention any other hero probably isn't as big of a priority to shoot off the table (other then Ellesar and Boz who are both D7), whereas Gandalf if I can drop you 240pts early on and there's also the huge chance I'm getting a leader kill with that aswell imma take it. Immobiliz and what not aren't that scary but can be annoying so it's worth removing that's from the table ASAP.
The other thing is a bow block can be enough to keep Gandalf outta the game even with blinding light, that fear of him getting shot is enough to make my opponent keep him hidden the whole game.
-Sean
Fair enough, I've not played against that kind of shooting so I can only talk from a theoretical point of view. No one in my playgroup plays Corsairs or Assault upon Helm's Deep, for example.
But just saying, if Gandalf the White is shot off the table on turn 2 or 3, the same amount of shooting could've killed two 2-wound 1-fate Heroes - for example Hurin and Irolas. And that sounds really scary! 😅
@@joeltimonen8268 that's it mate, the same amount of shooting could kill a hero like hurin but old mate 90pts compared to 240pts.
But in saying that I rather lose Gandalf then hurin.
-Sean
yeah tier lists are back :)
We back babyyyyyyyyyyyy
-Sean
Would love to see a Barad Guldur review! Didn't seem to find one in the past videos.
Do you mean Dol Guldur or Barad-dur 😅 if it's the latter we did that joined to our Mordor tier list! We'll do Dol Guldur soon!
-Liam
@@NoobsandMen Oh yeah, I definitely meant Barad-Dur. Nice, I'll check it out then, thanks!
awesome intro :D awesome content :D
Tier lists ftw
Get keen more are on their way
-Sean
I will keep Gandalf on C only bcs on high points matches he can boost one of those powerfull killin' heroes (Aragorn/Hurin/even Boromir if you are not afraid on losing the army bonus) with fortify spirit. Apart from that, he can do some "normal stuff" like blast on enemy cavalery (always trying to get a hero on the way) and then get a charge to that prone models. It is not worth 240 pst for that. But he still can do some stuff (compare to Pip).
Now, one i think you're sleepping a bit is Aragorn. At least i will put him Mid A (AT LEAST XD). I will talk about my experience with him ofc. Knowing the fact that Minas Tirith is not really good at killing he is one of your options to do THE KILLING. Wounding on 4 (3 if you take the two handed) is crazy. Apart from that he has the free point of might that is crucial at the end of the game (if you keep him alive). I know that for the troops he does not do to much (compare to Boromir for example) But what he does against the oponents army is mounstrous. The way i play with Aragorn is all around him. And so far it had good results. I do not take an army thinking i will kill my oponent, but to hold the line as Aragorn do the killing (with some help ofc. A.k.A Hurin).
Ofc there are gonna be games when hes gonna struggle. i had one he was with one Rider of Rohan for 3 turns. But even then, as soon he went free, he killed Gameling/Theoden/and left only one wound on Eomer.
And there are gonna be other games that he just destroys. Yesterday i played with him (it was a 1300 poins game, have to said it) and with the backup of Gandalf, he killed Khamul on fell beast, Witch King on fell beast, a Morgul Captain on horse, two banners, and like seven or eight warriors.
So i think (at least on my experience) he deserves a A, at least.
Now, sorry if i wrote something bad, i do not speak english as my main language, but i love this game, and wanted to gave my opinion on the matter.
Good tier list boys
Hey man thanks for putting in the time to comment, and never apologise for using a 2nd language, it was written better then what I usually write.
I also know how intimidating it can be to use a 2nd language, but always keep at it, would love to see more of your comments in the future.
You have made some great points mate, Aragorn is the killing power in this list and the regular troops are the holding power.
The only issue I find with him is that a good player can hold Aragorn and hide their heroes or even alpha strike Aragon, to the point where he's not showing his killing potential or is dead early on.
Could it be cause I use a bolt thrower and hurin and a bunch of Cav as my killing power in the list? Very much could be but if I was to take away the bolt thrower and the cav Aragorn is alot more enticing.
I lean towards Boz cause of what he does as a whole for the army and in my case late game Boz is just as power if not more so then Aragorn, tho the free might is nice.
Nothing I love more then watching my opponent drain all their might on combats, moves and so on to break through my shield wall only to be met by a full stack Boz who's just been chilling in my back line all game.
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen fair points.
I saw your Minas Tirith list on a vid and it is very powerfull.
Thanks for the reply
You guys are getting all grown up. Side question, how would you rate shading and highlighting your bases?
Honestly my dude never even thought about it haha.
I just dip my models into some basing material from Zorpazorp and boom done.
Would love to see what you have done tho mate.
Especially if your shading purple, you know I love that stuff
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen I already knew the answer, but it still pains me to hear your poisonous words. I'm still coming up with a plan for the Minas Tirith guys' bases. I've been staring at the cavalry for like 2 weeks, trying to muster the courage to make some capes.
Cobblestone with some sort of ethereal glow would be dope.
Cape are scary business mate, if you do it you're a braver man then I.
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen I'm going to give sculpting them a shot. May as well fail bigly if I'm going to fail.
@@briarsandbantams I've always said if your gonna fail make it big.
-Sean
Matebros total MESBG n00b here, can one just ally with the fellowship and include a few of its characters or do I have to include all of them? Would it be correct to assume that the fellowship characters cannot lead any troops? Thanks for the good lists!
You can ally the fellowship into other Army and it doesn't have to be all of them. such as what I'd do and ally boromir into Rivendell.
Make sure to keep an eye on the alliance matrix which can be found atge the back of the Army books (it explains how it works there)
Model allied in from other armies/faction can only lead troops from their original faction
-Sean
@@NoobsandMen Very helpful, much appreciated!
Aragorn in B tier completely unwatchable
Comment completely unreadable
-Sean
Seans have no opinions that matter
Also a Sean
do tier list tier list. Rate your tier list videos best to worsy
Now that's a scraping the bottom of the barrel kinda idea we love soooo much.
Keep an eye out for it 👀
-Sean
Hi question how many crebain are required in the war of Rohan dunland scenarios I can't find the information needed and I don't have the book
Looks like none mate, just dunlending warriors and what not, though if you ever wanna play army of dunland LL I highly recommend some!
-Liam
@@NoobsandMen thanks very much for your help I love dunland and easterlings and harad
Me going to my first tournament and playing for first against Ellesar and GtW at 800pts and losing, then seeing this list. 😢
Hahahahaha fuck that must hurt.
They are good models in the hands of a good player.
Beyond that yikes.
-Sean
Elessar is at least A tier, he's a wrecking ball that wins games by himself, wounding on 3s, being a banner and free might which is what wins games 90% of the time makes him brilliant and as for boromir, overrated, he struggles to kill and boosting a tanky army is nice, but not essential
Wrong
@@NoobsandMen nope
Nope, your mum.
I'm also just wondering, where are you getting 3s from?? When Elessar two hands, rolls a 4 high and loses the fight? Also boz struggles to kill?? 6 might? Like if you want something dead Boz will kill it.
Boz will absolutely win a game on his own every day of the week, either in combat and being f7 base or by buffing the army to f5 and having them winning more fights and getting more chances to kill and losing less models all up. Like Elessar does okay, his big thing can of killing can be countered by a decent magic caster or mitigated by good play. Boz will always been a banner and fight buff until you kill him and good luck there (I know Elessar is a banner but Boz' better and cheaper overall)
-Liam
Oh yes more teir lists. Beregond should be S.
Don't worry we are getting back on them aswell as more revisions.
I'm starting to rate beregond more.
-Sean
Faramir is C tier and it's a hill I'll die on. Anything he can do another hero can do better. Cav striker? Húrin is better and cheaper. Infantry commander? Ingold does it better and is cheaper. Ranger commander? MADRIL DOES IT BETTER! Gah, stop running Faramir people, it's a trap!
This has largely been my experience with ol' Faz as well but I just can't leave my boy at home! 😆
I'm with you mate faz is not a great pick, just so many better options.
But it's faz he's a cool character that we all love so it's hard not to run him.
-Sean
I recently ran a family list with Denethor, Boromir, and Faramir and I had to force myself to include him over anyone else. And Faramir was one of the first models to die. I don't think I will take him other than his ranger loadout.
@@NoobsandMen 'he sucks but we like his character in the movie' isnot a good argument to keep him in A tier, lol. 😘
You'll have to talk to Liam about that hahahaha
I wanted to push him down but Liam controls the mouse, he has all the power 🤣
-Sean
Aragorn should be F7 otherwise he’s just not ok! Bozza with banner is F7 for fs sake! Gandalf is ok on shadowfax he can run in magic and run out! Also S5! Vets are just underwhelming! I prefer rangers or citadel guards with longbow! Hurin is fun