@@odinikita4821why? I welcome electric cars. It is inevitable and needs to be done to decrease greenhouse gas emissions. I love cars but this is bigger than a few people wanting to drive ICE sports cars.
I will say dealer markups are price gouging and should be illegal. I tried to test drive a 22 civic SI yesterday and not only was the dealer not allowing test drives, they added a 6k markup on top of MSRP. So a 32k car is now 38 and out the door is over 40k. That's ridiculous
Oh I've experienced worse. Tried to test drive the Supra last year, and the dealer was like: "Let's run your credit and discuss price first. Once you decide to buy the car, you may feel free to test drive it." How the fxxk is that a test drive if I already bought the car?!
I love my BRZ! I bought in February and have hardly driven until recently because of the summer-rated tires. I have the "limited" version, which in Canada is called "sport tech" (no idea why there is a different name for it). It puts a smile on my face every time i drive it. This car is not about absolute speed, but travelling on twisty roads, or the rare traffic circle we have here. So much fun!
Those beautiful hands are once again hypnotizing me to get one of these... I miss both my old FRS and my BRZ dearly, they always just felt so special to drive. Seeing you drive these ZC8s is getting me feeling nostalgic, and now I'm perusing the classifieds! Maybe I need to grab a GR86 and we get on track for a head to head... 😉
I've seen some GR86/BRZ owners run the USB cable under their seat and to the driver's door side. They plug in the phone and rest it in the door handle area when driving. I figured I'd do that as I can't think of another decent area either. Hope this helps, love your videos and am eagerly awaiting my GR86 order's arrival!
I just factory ordered a 2023 BRZ Premium in WR Blue to replace my 2020 performance pack in the same color. Your videos are the reason I've fallen in love with this platform and I am so excited to get my 23!
@@gottagofest1610 I was quoted 30,018. For a premium(base)at msrp 1,080 destination and only accessories is a home link mirror. 23 models are $600 more than 22s
Convenient timing for this to pop up in my recommended; I JUST got home from the Subaru dealership and placing my order for a manual BRZ Limited. First car I've ever bought, been driving my dad's old Tundras for the past decade. Was originally gonna go for the GR86, but the Toyota dealerships here refused to let me place an order for one saying I just have to get lucky that one would come in and that it was extremely unlikely for a manual version to come in sooooo to Subaru I went.
Did you order a 2022 or a 2023? I even contacted Subaru directly TWICE as the dealers are clueless and they said the 2023 hasn't been "approved" for sale yet. Seems odd. One Subaru rep said the BRZ is having issues passing emissions and not sure when the 2023 will be released if at all. Yeah lady, they spent money to design a car only for a 2022. LOL We are waiting to order a 2023 as soon as we can. :) Grats on your purchase!
Great video! Your original video on your premium sold me on the car. Just put an order down on this exact spec (Lim, WRB, MT) last week. This wait is going to be hard, but so worth it!
After several autocross events I'm ecstatic with my BRZ. I added the front camber bolts and 245/40R17 Falken RT660s and the grip limits on-course is amazing. I also did an event on the Primacy tires and it was a nice exercise in car control, perhaps even more fun than on the Falkens. I didn't care about the 18 inch wheels on the Limited since I run 17s for autocross.
@@urbly2638 I run 7mm of offset to prevent rubbing. I noted a slight rub due to autocross but compared to street driving it is pretty demanding, so that shouldn’t be an issue there. Due to SCCA rules I run stock 7.5 inch wide wheels but I don’t recommend that for normal driving. Stick to the Tire Rack recommendations and you can’t go wrong in my opinion. They recommend 8.5 in width at this size.
First thing I did with my '17 was pull the plug from the 12 volt socket behind the glove box and use it to plug the noise tunnel. It is an annoying sound.
@@xSikks But maybe you should have kept it plugged, since the last gen model did not have any fake engine sound. There was a sound pipe that physically amplified the engine sound from the engine bay. The sound coming from the pipe was 100% real. The new gen model (2022 onwards) are the ones that actually have fake engine sound emitted from speakers. In fact the sound emitted does not sound like an engine at all. It seems like some sine waves were combined to create a new noise to simulate engine noise. The end result sounds terrible.
I just ordered a new '23 BRZ Limited 6AT (WR Blue Pearl) two days ago. I have a good working relationship with the dealership and got $1,005 off MSRP. It'll be a June '23 delivery. Pretty excited. Looks fun.
Nah the new BRZ is such a good looking car, especially for 30k, in a couple years these will hopefully be everywhere and just be such amazing deals for a great look and fun.
The most fun and balanced sub-$40K driver's car you can buy (or not buy...) right now! Looking forward to driving a base model soon for some extra slidey action. #BRZBOIZ
For anyone watching this video in 2024, for the 2024 model year, the full Eyesight suite was added to the manual transmission equipped BRZs. So, you now have ACC which is not essential but is nice to have.
Amazing video, def my go to to get 22 BRZ content - can't wait for mine later this year! With the phone situation, I've heard routing the cable under the seat, you can place the phone in the door handle area. Involves buying a long cable though.
Solid review. Appreciate how I’m depth you went. One of the few reviews that did such a great job with the video as well as detail you provided. So thank you for that. I ordered a ‘23 limited. As a Brz owner, what modifications would you recommend? Thanks!
@TheTopher great video! Anyway possible for you to create your top 3 list of cars that you review in each car category / segment? Sometimes it's difficult for the audience to compare your feedback between two good reviews of the cars from the same segment. Having your preference supported by your experience in a top 3 list, etc. would be super helpful.
I hope Toyota/Subaru finds a way to keep this car alive in the age of electrification. I think something along the lines of a electric motor sandwiched between a manual transmission and a gas engine like the original Honda Insight should be adapted here!
This is my dream car ever since I played this car at Gran Turismo 5, and even at Assetto Corsa. Would love to drive the real thing, but stocks and pricing here in the Philippines is very unfair. The BRZ or GT86 here would cost around $40k~$45k when paid in cash, and around $50k~55$k when paid in terms. Hopeful to even buy the older model used, because I truly love this car. Watched your old videos also back then, and I hope to buy one soon.
@@Brzito I got it for MSRP price plus tax, plus license and registration, got up to around 32, that's what I financed with my bank. Took about 5 months to come is.
Not sure if anyone has said this before but Topher kinda sounds like the English voice actor of Takumi...🤭 so its kinda appropriate of him to be reviewing the BRZ/Gr86.
I got my GR 86, and I love it.... seriously this beast is amazing to drive. Best purchase I could have made. Should I stick to 16' inch tires for winter tires?
I got Michelin x snow tires on the same 18 inch wheels and was super pleased. They are quiet and the grip levels are honestly similar to the ps4 tires.
Honestly for me I wanted the Limited (or GTS for the toyota) for the sound system, lights, heated seats ect..... but I HATE the feel of suede, so I'm worried I couldn't stand the feel of the seats or door pads
My only question about this car. How is its audio system for the limited? And how would u guys compare it to the audio system on the 2021 wrx sti limited? There's no good comparison videos out there so wanted to see if anyone knew
The brz is truly something special. I miss my 2014 frs. Still the best feeling manual transmission and clutch in any car I’ve driven. So satisfying to drive and corner with. Unfortunately I couldn’t deal with the stiff suspension and manual trans for daily driving, it just became a headache for me. But on night drives with just me and the car, nothing else mattered but that connection. Wish I could have just one more night ride with it. Great video!
I'm probably gonna wait until next year but I'm really itching to sell my CX-5 and get into something smaller and back to driving a stick. I'm basically gonna cross-shop every manual under 40k that isn't a complete dog but I'm kinda leaning BRZ. It just looks so fun.
I’m surprised you went with this over the WRX for a daily driver based on both of the videos you posted. Seems like the WRX premium would be more practical with the car seat and both cars (wrx premium) are roughly the same price. Also WRX is all wheel drive and you like in MI with a lot of snow. Great reviews though thx
Any plans to review the mx5 2022 with KPC? Im interested to hear what you think of the new brz/gr86 vs mx5 now with all the changes made to both the cars
Thanks for releasing these videos, they’ve held me over until I was able to pick up my Halo Premium MT GR86 earlier this month! If you see one driving around Novi, give me a wave or flag me down for a chat! I also removed the clutch helper spring as I really enjoyed my 13’ BRZ much more with it removed. I also adjusted the clutch travel to have less dead travel prior to the engagement point (it now sits slightly above the brake pedal), have you tried this? Took about 5 minutes, it feels a lot more natural to me now, and I wish I had done this to my BRZ while I had it. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts.
Fingers crossed, everyone. Come noon tomorrow, I may or may not have a reserve on a 6-speed GR86. I've only driven manual a handful of times, outside of sims with a full setup, so it'll certainly be a learning experience, but I'm chomping at the bits, waiting. EDIT: No dice. The allotment to my local dealership was only for ONE automatic, zero manuals. I will try to remember to update in two weeks, after they get the next allotment.
Re the pad for right leg tunnel. My '17 Limited has that and it seems like it doesn't hit me in the right place. It is right where you showed you wish you had one. Nice that you can drive and compare the two trim levels.
Thanks for the extended insight! I'd be happy to see you make more videos on it. I have one question if you don't mind: Are the mode settings sticky? Does it stay in sports mode after you turn off the car? Same with traction control and lane keeping assist. It is one of the main things that annoy me about modern cars. Having to configure things every time the car is started. It's what makes me think to get a base model as it hopefully comes with less. Though it might be different in Australia. The Type R came with lane keeping and other annoyances in AU when it didn't yet in other countries. PS: I did watch your Type R videos many many times. And when I got to a point of being able to buy one they stopped making them. I'm hopying to have more success with the new GR86 once it makes it to AU.
Hey @TheTopher #TheTopher , watch at 7:46, but with all love bro, I love watching your videos but ain’t tire pressure always physical? Lol thought that was funny, thought I should share 😂
@TheTopher Thank you so much for doing another review and including the sound system test. Your channel is truly the best for car reviews. Anytime I wan to see what a car is like I search TheTopher (car here) :)
You said you would update us on everything you’d do to the car. You did not update us on the camber bolts and adjusting your camber. I just ordered a 2023 premium from factory and I’m following you very closely.
Driving a 2011 prius i will definitely will pick this up when it kicks the bucket which might not be for a couple of years but ill be ready for any opportunities
The thing to keep in mind is that YOU are going to kick the bucket. Life is too short to spend it driving a twelve yr old Prius. Go out there and make it happen!
Im glad you said "Australia comes with a spare (tyre/tire)" because I was wondering why I sometimes saw a spare sitting in the middle of the boot/trunk in some videos and not others. Since im in Australia mine will obviously come with a spare (full size actually).. I wonder if I can pull it out and put in the repair kit instead to utilise more boot/truck space?
Thanks for the night drive and test of the adaptable headlights. Do you know if they adapt for hills? I have the '17 and I think they went to a single illumination source with an "eye lid" type shroud that drops down over the top half of the light source to make the low beams. They have a brutally sharp horizontal cut off across the entire beam spread and are bizarre on hills. (Some engineers somewhere should be slapped for this design.)
@@2qwik4u Thanks! Just to be clear, you have the '22 Limited? (So they kept the "eyelid" for vertical, but added horizontal movement? Wow! Can't believe more people have not complained about the eyelid situation. Going down a rolling down hill, the top section of the hill just vanishes, creating a weird illusion.)
Hi Topher, Enjoy all your videos about brz so much actually because of your I bought my BRZ ad I'm loving it. Two things: Wondering if the engine makes a clank sound or noise when you cruising in first and second gears? Also sometimes I find that when 2nd gear goes into 3rd gear it feels like it's hitting gears if I change it a bit fast. Are these normal? Thanks !!
Hey Topher, couple questions! How does the music sound on highway compared to an ND soft top miata? The miata bothered me since I couldnt really hear the music with all the wind noise. Also you mentioned 28-29 mpgs. Whats your typical commute? Ive heard huge ranges of mpgs for this car… some saying as low as 21 mpgs. I feel like ~25-26 combined might be an accurate assumption?
Hey Topher and fans, do you have recommendations on other tires? When I test drove the GR86 Premium the Michelin’s literally hurt my ears on the freeway. My ears still hurt 5+ hours later after the only 10-15 minutes on the highway. Loved the handling and shifter otherwise.
Those pilot sport 4s are really bad. Continental extremecontact sports will be a lot quieter, pretty much anything else in that category will offer better noise levels. Downsizing to 17s will help too
Agree on the steering. Apparently the rack is very slightly slower (13.5 v 13.0) but it feels like they’ve upped the assistance a bit too. It’s like they’ve been influenced by the ND Miata. It’s accurate enough and probably makes the car feel a bit more “chuckable”, but it’s lost quite a bit of feel (maybe any feel) in my opinion. Probably the only thing that I think the new model has gone slightly backwards on. Agree with the knee pad! The voice command initiation is from the steering wheel button. I accidentally knock it all the time too.
I wish the WRX got all the sporty tech from this car, I guess it really shows the wrx is not supposed to be a true sports car. I like my analog gauges but all those other features are neat, and the shift light is cool too.
I filmed a few GR86 videos from the launch last year 🙌 here’s the review: 2022 Toyota GR 86 Premium - POV Driving Impressions th-cam.com/video/FSzsU0lyv-U/w-d-xo.html
Cool car. Wouldn't give my 2021 wrb sti for it, but I wouldn't mind having one and putting the sti under a cover in the garage now that they don't make em.
Different classes of cars so not directly comparable. Also they provide different experience. M2 offers more of everything except perhaps pure connection between driver and the car. Which might be the reason itself to go BRZ/gr86. Keep in mind, M2 will be significantly more expensive over the long run. If your finances allow for it, go m2, but since you're asking this particular question, I think you would be better of with BRZ/gr86. You want to own the car. You don't want the car to own you.
I swear the Japanese just don't do good fake engine noise. I mean I'm not for them, but at leat the Germans make their soundaktors sound good. The new Civic Si and this BRZ soundaktors make it sound so much worse than just real engine noise. Its like they took a 4-cylinder sound, made it sound fartier, and threw the sound file into a speaker and called it quits.
The more videos I see about BRZ, the more I become interesred. It's probably one of the last true sport cars before dawn of inevitible elctric age.
I have the same feeling for this
Exactly, I feel like if I want to enjoy a true sports car, now is the time 😬
such a defeatist attitude. I don't see charging stations sprouting up quickly, in fact I don't see any.
@@odinikita4821why? I welcome electric cars. It is inevitable and needs to be done to decrease greenhouse gas emissions. I love cars but this is bigger than a few people wanting to drive ICE sports cars.
@@odinikita4821 I do. New Tesla stations becoming more common day by day
Every time a BRZ video of yours pops up, I watch it without hesitation
I will say dealer markups are price gouging and should be illegal. I tried to test drive a 22 civic SI yesterday and not only was the dealer not allowing test drives, they added a 6k markup on top of MSRP. So a 32k car is now 38 and out the door is over 40k. That's ridiculous
Oh I've experienced worse. Tried to test drive the Supra last year, and the dealer was like: "Let's run your credit and discuss price first. Once you decide to buy the car, you may feel free to test drive it." How the fxxk is that a test drive if I already bought the car?!
But dealers were meant to protect the customer! That’s why direct sales from manufacturers are dangerous 🙃
Blame uncle Joe
@@GAMRMNTS2 bLAmE uNcLE jOe
@@GAMRMNTS2 had nothing to do with Biden, this was long coming post covid
I love my BRZ! I bought in February and have hardly driven until recently because of the summer-rated tires. I have the "limited" version, which in Canada is called "sport tech" (no idea why there is a different name for it). It puts a smile on my face every time i drive it. This car is not about absolute speed, but travelling on twisty roads, or the rare traffic circle we have here. So much fun!
How was it in the winter ?
Thank you for the shoutout! Any time you’re in the Tampa area, you can take any of my cars out for some videos
Those beautiful hands are once again hypnotizing me to get one of these... I miss both my old FRS and my BRZ dearly, they always just felt so special to drive. Seeing you drive these ZC8s is getting me feeling nostalgic, and now I'm perusing the classifieds! Maybe I need to grab a GR86 and we get on track for a head to head... 😉
Heck yeah! I may have just messaged you about an upcoming track day 😎
I've seen some GR86/BRZ owners run the USB cable under their seat and to the driver's door side. They plug in the phone and rest it in the door handle area when driving. I figured I'd do that as I can't think of another decent area either. Hope this helps, love your videos and am eagerly awaiting my GR86 order's arrival!
hey that's a really good idea, thanks! :D
I was thinking about just buying a phone sleeve and using 3m tape between the seat and center console but it might be hard to reach.
I just factory ordered a 2023 BRZ Premium in WR Blue to replace my 2020 performance pack in the same color. Your videos are the reason I've fallen in love with this platform and I am so excited to get my 23!
Woo! Me too. Im so freaking excited. I had a 13 and then a 17, i cant wait. Hopefully our cars come in soon!
Same boat, had a 16 Frs for 5 years
Hello may I ask if for a factory order you paid a reservation price? Thinking of trading in my WRX for a 2023 BRZ.
@@gottagofest1610 I was quoted 30,018. For a premium(base)at msrp 1,080 destination and only accessories is a home link mirror. 23 models are $600 more than 22s
@@bhearing7681 Thanks for the info man. Crazy how MSRP + 600 is still cheaper than markups.
I love the Cameron Hill shoutout. That man has been a gem to the car enthusiast community.
Convenient timing for this to pop up in my recommended; I JUST got home from the Subaru dealership and placing my order for a manual BRZ Limited. First car I've ever bought, been driving my dad's old Tundras for the past decade. Was originally gonna go for the GR86, but the Toyota dealerships here refused to let me place an order for one saying I just have to get lucky that one would come in and that it was extremely unlikely for a manual version to come in sooooo to Subaru I went.
Did you order a 2022 or a 2023? I even contacted Subaru directly TWICE as the dealers are clueless and they said the 2023 hasn't been "approved" for sale yet. Seems odd. One Subaru rep said the BRZ is having issues passing emissions and not sure when the 2023 will be released if at all. Yeah lady, they spent money to design a car only for a 2022. LOL We are waiting to order a 2023 as soon as we can. :) Grats on your purchase!
One of the best 2022 BRZ videos I have seen. Nicely done.
Loved this comparison! You should do old vs new in the future
Great video! Your original video on your premium sold me on the car. Just put an order down on this exact spec (Lim, WRB, MT) last week. This wait is going to be hard, but so worth it!
Congrats on 400k subs, keep up the great work!
I’m a simple man….I see new brz content from TheTopher, I click like and watch.
After several autocross events I'm ecstatic with my BRZ. I added the front camber bolts and 245/40R17 Falken RT660s and the grip limits on-course is amazing. I also did an event on the Primacy tires and it was a nice exercise in car control, perhaps even more fun than on the Falkens. I didn't care about the 18 inch wheels on the Limited since I run 17s for autocross.
what size rim do you need for 245 and does it rub at max lock (u-turn)
@@urbly2638 I run 7mm of offset to prevent rubbing. I noted a slight rub due to autocross but compared to street driving it is pretty demanding, so that shouldn’t be an issue there. Due to SCCA rules I run stock 7.5 inch wide wheels but I don’t recommend that for normal driving. Stick to the Tire Rack recommendations and you can’t go wrong in my opinion. They recommend 8.5 in width at this size.
@@aroundomaha hm thanks, I appriciate it
Car really is comfortable with a surprisingly plush ride. Coming from a Focus ST (which was firm but not terrible), the BRZ is pretty big improvement.
LOVE that shout out to Savagegeese! Keep up the great work!
Just bought the 2023 brz limited, absolutely worth every cent!
I am surprised people aren't getting the spoiler on these. It looks so good!
Huge difference without the fake noise. Way more enjoyable.
Agreed!
First thing I did with my '17 was pull the plug from the 12 volt socket behind the glove box and use it to plug the noise tunnel. It is an annoying sound.
@@xSikks But maybe you should have kept it plugged, since the last gen model did not have any fake engine sound. There was a sound pipe that physically amplified the engine sound from the engine bay. The sound coming from the pipe was 100% real. The new gen model (2022 onwards) are the ones that actually have fake engine sound emitted from speakers. In fact the sound emitted does not sound like an engine at all. It seems like some sine waves were combined to create a new noise to simulate engine noise. The end result sounds terrible.
I just ordered a new '23 BRZ Limited 6AT (WR Blue Pearl) two days ago. I have a good working relationship with the dealership and got $1,005 off MSRP. It'll be a June '23 delivery. Pretty excited. Looks fun.
I come here to only say that I bought a new grey magnetite Subaru BRZ and I am so happy with it.
Nah the new BRZ is such a good looking car, especially for 30k, in a couple years these will hopefully be everywhere and just be such amazing deals for a great look and fun.
The most fun and balanced sub-$40K driver's car you can buy (or not buy...) right now! Looking forward to driving a base model soon for some extra slidey action. #BRZBOIZ
2023 type r
@@jw3384 A factory souped up grocery getter does not qualify. Cool car anyway.
@@fidrat24 they both 4 bangers lol
@@jw3384 '23 Type R is $50k (if you're lucky).
9:05 savagegeese LOL
I wish we could tag him :(
For anyone watching this video in 2024, for the 2024 model year, the full Eyesight suite was added to the manual transmission equipped BRZs. So, you now have ACC which is not essential but is nice to have.
The blue looks fantastic on camera.
Amazing video, def my go to to get 22 BRZ content - can't wait for mine later this year! With the phone situation, I've heard routing the cable under the seat, you can place the phone in the door handle area. Involves buying a long cable though.
I love your reviews. I just ordered the 2023 limited in world ralley blue. I’m super excited !
Solid review. Appreciate how I’m depth you went. One of the few reviews that did such a great job with the video as well as detail you provided. So thank you for that. I ordered a ‘23 limited. As a Brz owner, what modifications would you recommend? Thanks!
Depends what you’re going to do with the car but I’ll have a video on recommended mods soon!
@@TheTopher you’re the man! Thank you!!
KEEP MAKING VIDEOS ON THE BRZ. thanks
Thanks for making your reviews about the car and not the reviewers ego.
@TheTopher great video! Anyway possible for you to create your top 3 list of cars that you review in each car category / segment? Sometimes it's difficult for the audience to compare your feedback between two good reviews of the cars from the same segment. Having your preference supported by your experience in a top 3 list, etc. would be super helpful.
Please keep this BRZ videos coming....
Man, she's a beauty! Great insights, good work, man.
I hope Toyota/Subaru finds a way to keep this car alive in the age of electrification. I think something along the lines of a electric motor sandwiched between a manual transmission and a gas engine like the original Honda Insight should be adapted here!
This is my dream car ever since I played this car at Gran Turismo 5, and even at Assetto Corsa. Would love to drive the real thing, but stocks and pricing here in the Philippines is very unfair.
The BRZ or GT86 here would cost around $40k~$45k when paid in cash, and around $50k~55$k when paid in terms. Hopeful to even buy the older model used, because I truly love this car. Watched your old videos also back then, and I hope to buy one soon.
I prefer the grill and the spoiler of the gr86 but I can’t get over the wr blue and the red interior. It just looks so much better.
Appreciate the detailed review for both trims. Thanks a lot for sharing!
I know this is about the BRZ, but I can’t wait to see your review on the Nissan Z!
Mine is coming end of month, so exited
How long did it take to get delivered? And how much did you end up paying?
@@Brzito I got it for MSRP price plus tax, plus license and registration, got up to around 32, that's what I financed with my bank. Took about 5 months to come is.
Wish they include auto blip mode for daily traffic same as most modern manual cars
Not sure if anyone has said this before but Topher kinda sounds like the English voice actor of Takumi...🤭 so its kinda appropriate of him to be reviewing the BRZ/Gr86.
BROO YES, literalyyyy
I cant believe i actually found someone who noticed that, your comment made my day (5 months later lmao)
First time ever to see a car review around Ann Arbor!!
Great shout out to SavageGeese in his natural form.
I got my GR 86, and I love it.... seriously this beast is amazing to drive. Best purchase I could have made. Should I stick to 16' inch tires for winter tires?
would you consider the new gr corolla as an upgrade?
I got Michelin x snow tires on the same 18 inch wheels and was super pleased. They are quiet and the grip levels are honestly similar to the ps4 tires.
16s are perfect for winter. Would recommend a slightly narrower and taller tire 205/60r16 is perfect
Honestly for me I wanted the Limited (or GTS for the toyota) for the sound system, lights, heated seats ect..... but I HATE the feel of suede, so I'm worried I couldn't stand the feel of the seats or door pads
My only question about this car. How is its audio system for the limited? And how would u guys compare it to the audio system on the 2021 wrx sti limited? There's no good comparison videos out there so wanted to see if anyone knew
"here we have a dyno map, that actually shows a small torque dip" LOL
Still can't get over how beautiful the new twins are. The old ones looked great too but I'm happy they didn't do some outlandish 2020s styling
I love that 90´s radio. Simple to use.
The brz is truly something special. I miss my 2014 frs. Still the best feeling manual transmission and clutch in any car I’ve driven. So satisfying to drive and corner with. Unfortunately I couldn’t deal with the stiff suspension and manual trans for daily driving, it just became a headache for me. But on night drives with just me and the car, nothing else mattered but that connection. Wish I could have just one more night ride with it. Great video!
The new BRZ is a lot softer! Almost rides like a Camry 😂
I'm on the other end, I have been daily driving mine for 4 years now and don't care for a softer suspension.
The new model is definitely more compliant than the old one…which is a good thing.
we need substitute topher reviewing your car
Just put my 2023 on order!
Nice car! I love the color. I'll have to test drive sometime to see if I like.
I'm probably gonna wait until next year but I'm really itching to sell my CX-5 and get into something smaller and back to driving a stick. I'm basically gonna cross-shop every manual under 40k that isn't a complete dog but I'm kinda leaning BRZ. It just looks so fun.
I’m surprised you went with this over the WRX for a daily driver based on both of the videos you posted. Seems like the WRX premium would be more practical with the car seat and both cars (wrx premium) are roughly the same price. Also WRX is all wheel drive and you like in MI with a lot of snow. Great reviews though thx
Dude i cant wait for mine to get here been waiting since February
Did you receive it how do you like it?
Great video! That is one slick car.
Any plans to review the mx5 2022 with KPC? Im interested to hear what you think of the new brz/gr86 vs mx5 now with all the changes made to both the cars
Thanks for releasing these videos, they’ve held me over until I was able to pick up my Halo Premium MT GR86 earlier this month! If you see one driving around Novi, give me a wave or flag me down for a chat!
I also removed the clutch helper spring as I really enjoyed my 13’ BRZ much more with it removed. I also adjusted the clutch travel to have less dead travel prior to the engagement point (it now sits slightly above the brake pedal), have you tried this? Took about 5 minutes, it feels a lot more natural to me now, and I wish I had done this to my BRZ while I had it. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts.
sweet! And likewise if you see me around. I haven’t adjusted the clutch pedal butI’ll look into it, that sounds like a nice change.
Fingers crossed, everyone. Come noon tomorrow, I may or may not have a reserve on a 6-speed GR86. I've only driven manual a handful of times, outside of sims with a full setup, so it'll certainly be a learning experience, but I'm chomping at the bits, waiting.
EDIT: No dice. The allotment to my local dealership was only for ONE automatic, zero manuals. I will try to remember to update in two weeks, after they get the next allotment.
Re the pad for right leg tunnel. My '17 Limited has that and it seems like it doesn't hit me in the right place. It is right where you showed you wish you had one. Nice that you can drive and compare the two trim levels.
Yes to lightweight fun rwd sports cars!
The new gen 86 is a good improvement from the first gen.
Thanks for the extended insight! I'd be happy to see you make more videos on it.
I have one question if you don't mind: Are the mode settings sticky? Does it stay in sports mode after you turn off the car? Same with traction control and lane keeping assist. It is one of the main things that annoy me about modern cars. Having to configure things every time the car is started. It's what makes me think to get a base model as it hopefully comes with less. Though it might be different in Australia. The Type R came with lane keeping and other annoyances in AU when it didn't yet in other countries.
PS: I did watch your Type R videos many many times. And when I got to a point of being able to buy one they stopped making them. I'm hopying to have more success with the new GR86 once it makes it to AU.
just got mine delivered yesterday, just in time for the last snowstorm lol
That’s how it works haha congrats!
@@TheTopher Thanks! Put 200 miles on it this weekend, I think Im in love lol
Does the BRZ have duel injection (port and direct) like that of the 86?
I definitely prefer the BRZ without the piped in noise, was just wasted time IMO to include that.
Hey @TheTopher #TheTopher , watch at 7:46, but with all love bro, I love watching your videos but ain’t tire pressure always physical? Lol thought that was funny, thought I should share 😂
@TheTopher Thank you so much for doing another review and including the sound system test. Your channel is truly the best for car reviews. Anytime I wan to see what a car is like I search TheTopher (car here) :)
Don't cry no matter how bitter it is - Despite the pain
You said you would update us on everything you’d do to the car. You did not update us on the camber bolts and adjusting your camber. I just ordered a 2023 premium from factory and I’m following you very closely.
Going to do a video on track prep here soon, just gotta get the brake pads installed!
@@TheTopher understood sir! Please let us know what parts you got and where you got them from ☺️😬.
@@TheTopher still waiting boss :)
Damn, the infotainment and knobs/buttons for hvac is perfect. I wish they used this on the new 22/23 base WRX ugh...
Love the delay in the gear indicator. Maybe it really - what gear you just left.... lol.
Love this car got an alfa romeo 4c and BRZ. These cars r so fun not much HP but tons of fun.
You forgot about the blind spot monitoring and rear cross traffic alert.
Driving a 2011 prius i will definitely will pick this up when it kicks the bucket which might not be for a couple of years but ill be ready for any opportunities
The thing to keep in mind is that YOU are going to kick the bucket. Life is too short to spend it driving a twelve yr old Prius. Go out there and make it happen!
Nice video. Thanks!
Im glad you said "Australia comes with a spare (tyre/tire)" because I was wondering why I sometimes saw a spare sitting in the middle of the boot/trunk in some videos and not others. Since im in Australia mine will obviously come with a spare (full size actually).. I wonder if I can pull it out and put in the repair kit instead to utilise more boot/truck space?
i'm glad to hear the clutch is better . i drove the first gen FRS and that clutch was waaaaaaay too vague. a lot of stalling.
Ayyy shout out to Cameron Hill. Love that guy.
9:04 exactly what came to my mind there
Thanks for the night drive and test of the adaptable headlights. Do you know if they adapt for hills? I have the '17 and I think they went to a single illumination source with an "eye lid" type shroud that drops down over the top half of the light source to make the low beams. They have a brutally sharp horizontal cut off across the entire beam spread and are bizarre on hills. (Some engineers somewhere should be slapped for this design.)
That’s a great question, I don’t have many hills to test on but I don’t think they do.
Just came here to agree that sharp cut offs are terrible, and I hope this doesn't have them.
They do not, it's only left/right. I have a limited and have noticed the same thing, I can see the cut off on highway signs all the time.
@@2qwik4u Thanks! Just to be clear, you have the '22 Limited? (So they kept the "eyelid" for vertical, but added horizontal movement? Wow! Can't believe more people have not complained about the eyelid situation. Going down a rolling down hill, the top section of the hill just vanishes, creating a weird illusion.)
Hi Topher, Enjoy all your videos about brz so much actually because of your I bought my BRZ ad I'm loving it.
Two things: Wondering if the engine makes a clank sound or noise when you cruising in first and second gears? Also sometimes I find that when 2nd gear goes into 3rd gear it feels like it's hitting gears if I change it a bit fast. Are these normal? Thanks !!
It’s hard to tell without hearing it but there have always been some funky noises from the engine and trans in these cars.
@@TheTopher Thanks for the reply!
Hey Topher, couple questions! How does the music sound on highway compared to an ND soft top miata? The miata bothered me since I couldnt really hear the music with all the wind noise.
Also you mentioned 28-29 mpgs. Whats your typical commute? Ive heard huge ranges of mpgs for this car… some saying as low as 21 mpgs. I feel like ~25-26 combined might be an accurate assumption?
21 isn’t that bad. I get 22 in my Honda Civic that is supposed to get 38 mpg
@@Dragon228833 Your civics got some serious problems man LOL
I hate that the tach has 2-4000rpm so squished like that
thats just in track mode, not in sport or normal
I don’t love it either but it does make sense for track work. I just wish you could customize which modes it turns on/off in
@@TheTopher Hopefully it can be programmed out, it is annoying they hard-linked it to traction control.
The difference between the two BRZ. The old one can reach over 230KMH the new BRZ is electronically limited to 226KMH
Hey Topher and fans, do you have recommendations on other tires?
When I test drove the GR86 Premium the Michelin’s literally hurt my ears on the freeway. My ears still hurt 5+ hours later after the only 10-15 minutes on the highway.
Loved the handling and shifter otherwise.
Those pilot sport 4s are really bad. Continental extremecontact sports will be a lot quieter, pretty much anything else in that category will offer better noise levels. Downsizing to 17s will help too
Agree on the steering. Apparently the rack is very slightly slower (13.5 v 13.0) but it feels like they’ve upped the assistance a bit too. It’s like they’ve been influenced by the ND Miata. It’s accurate enough and probably makes the car feel a bit more “chuckable”, but it’s lost quite a bit of feel (maybe any feel) in my opinion. Probably the only thing that I think the new model has gone slightly backwards on.
Agree with the knee pad!
The voice command initiation is from the steering wheel button. I accidentally knock it all the time too.
And ditto on opening the center storage with my elbow all the freaking time! Arrrggghhh
I wish the WRX got all the sporty tech from this car, I guess it really shows the wrx is not supposed to be a true sports car. I like my analog gauges but all those other features are neat, and the shift light is cool too.
Would love to see your drive if you can get your hands on an 86!
I filmed a few GR86 videos from the launch last year 🙌 here’s the review: 2022 Toyota GR 86 Premium - POV Driving Impressions
th-cam.com/video/FSzsU0lyv-U/w-d-xo.html
Im just learning how to drive manual. May i ask why you go from 4th gear to 6th gear when your pulling into the highway?
When are you going to change your profile pic to the your new 86?
Lovin the BRZ
I wish in my country we would get the updated look and engine we still have the old one 😩
Cool car. Wouldn't give my 2021 wrb sti for it, but I wouldn't mind having one and putting the sti under a cover in the garage now that they don't make em.
Would you rather get a brz/gr86 or save up and wait for the next bmw m2?
Different classes of cars so not directly comparable. Also they provide different experience. M2 offers more of everything except perhaps pure connection between driver and the car. Which might be the reason itself to go BRZ/gr86. Keep in mind, M2 will be significantly more expensive over the long run. If your finances allow for it, go m2, but since you're asking this particular question, I think you would be better of with BRZ/gr86. You want to own the car. You don't want the car to own you.
I swear the Japanese just don't do good fake engine noise. I mean I'm not for them, but at leat the Germans make their soundaktors sound good. The new Civic Si and this BRZ soundaktors make it sound so much worse than just real engine noise. Its like they took a 4-cylinder sound, made it sound fartier, and threw the sound file into a speaker and called it quits.
Subaru just treats Australia better.
I want the WRX Sport Wagon. Manual would be even better.