The 2022 Subaru BRZ is a Surprisingly Good Road Trip Car
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- 2022 Subaru BRZ Premium Manual Coupe
MSRP: $27,995
MPG: 20 city / 27 highway
Horsepower: 228 hp @ 7,000 rpm
Engine: 2.4 L 4-cylinder
Curb weight: 2,815 lbs
0-60 mph: 5.9 seconds
Transmission: 6-speed manual
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I have 6400 miles on mine at the moment. It is actually more than I thought I of had by now. I did get mine back in November though. I freakin love my car. I have fun driving my car every time I drive it and I am always looking back at when walking away from it.
Recently did a 250 mile camping trip with the GR86. Loved the fact that I could fit all our camping gear plus inflatable stand up paddles in the car. Have to admit it was pretty loud on the highway. But it was all worth it as soon as I got to the twisty roads.
Japanese cars have a lot of road noise. Can't stand it.
Did you sleep in the GR86 at the campsite too? lol
@@cdsprech There's actually a yt video of someone doing that
@@milesfathi Koooo Drive & Camp?
@@milesfathi yes that was the reference I was hoping people would catch!
Thanks for discussing fuel economy on trips. After Jack talked about his fuel numbers (low 20s) I was getting nervous about these twins. Glad to hear you got close to or around 30mpg, a place i feel a naturally aspirated I4/H4 should achieve considering no turbo.
My exact thoughts
I assume you're referring to Jack of savagegeese. I too was surprised at his report on fuel economy. I don't know if it's a consequence of the boxer engine, gearing, both, but Corvettes pulling same or better highway mpg is bizarre.
Especially on premium
if you're mostly doing city driving i'd say it is baout the mid 20s
Jack dropped the ball on accurately measuring the MPG delta. He made some really off remarks that were surprising for his level of knowledge. Hes usually great though
My wife and I bought our 2013 BRZ in July of 2012…one of only 6 available on the west coast at the time. The first 6 years, we lived in San Diego…and made 8 major road trips from there. Yosemite, Utah, Arizona, Oregon…the red woods, 101 from Oregon/California border to SD. During that time, it includes hours of commuting each day on California freeways. We have lived and driven through toooooons of snow (PROPER winter tires are key), torrential rain in the PNW…hot sunny summers in the southwest. Anyhow, in the 11 years we have owned our little underpowered turd, we put 100,000 miles in 6 years, 5,000 miles in the last 5 years. We have gone through 6 sets of tires, from all seasons to Michelin Pilots. The J02 recall at 90,000 miles…4 spark plugs and 1 water pump. Recently replaced the suspension with RSR springs, Bilstein B6, Whiteline bushings, StopTech brake kit, YellowStuff, stainless lines…anyways, we love our BRZ and will never get tired of it, or stop smiling when we back out the driveway. Maintenance and CARE are all a car needs to last for yeeeeeears. Torque dip aside, we wouldn’t trade it for the world! FA20 FoLife!!! Proud of Boxer❤
I love that the car is”compliant” too. Even when you are spanking the car on Sunday morning backroads, they are seldom “track smooth” and the new car has a supple fluidity that the Gen 1 lacked. When you keep a car light and make the body stiff, then you can make the suspension relatively soft without making the handling unruly. Lotus have always ridden well. Ditto Alpine, MX5/Miata. Sports cars don’t need to be punishingly uncomfortable.
For the infotainment carplay disconnect issue, I've now found if I just leave it plugged in, it cycles itself and reconnects - the whole process is still under a minute.
Any way to fix tho?
in my gr86 it does this too. over time the disconnects get longer and longer. then i just hold the volume button and tune button at the same time until it resets. after that it still does the periodic disconnect thing but it comes back in about 10 seconds
Different unit, but my 21 WRX did the same thing when it was new. Got a software update at the dealer and no issues since.
The car is just flat out beautiful, and is the best sounding 4 cylinder I've ever heard. I want one!
Have you heard any other 4 cylinders? 😆 I say this as someone on my 2nd BRZ!
I just moved to Michigan from Florida and the statement about Michigan roads being poor is an understatement. These roads damn near warrant a state of emergency.
I love when you do reviews of the BRZ because I ordered my 2023 and get it in September! Thank you @TheTopher
Thanks for the report on real life road trip summary. It was good to hear how your mpg turned out, and also good to get some reviews of the headlights (something not easy for most of us to be able to test on a demo drive with the dealership, plus it is so rare for any of the on-line reviewers to do a night drive and report on headlight quality).
Just got my 2022GR86 on Tuesday and it’s been great!! 10/10 recommend
I love the luxury of a Mercedes but I love this cars interior it’s so easy and simple to use
honestly whatever video you do with the BRZ i would watch it :D
Did my longest trip so far in my 22' last weekend, about 5.5 hours in the car total in one day, mostly highway. The cockpit is snug but reasonably comfortable. Good thing my ass is relatively narrow because the seats are tight. Not Cadillac quiet but not obnoxiously loud either at 75mph. Rides well, a perfect balance I think between ride and handling for public roads. Climate control system is excellent. Too much buffeting to have the windows all the way down at highway speeds.
I am in my early 50's, have arthritis and am anemic. Because of this I find my limit in this car is about 2.0-2.5 hours before I have to get out and stretch or I start to cramp up. If I was 19 again I would drive all day til the petrol ran out. Speaking of which, I averaged 34.4 mpg for the whole trip. My previous longest run, again primarily highway and done in two 110 mile stints averaged 34.9 mpg with fewer stops so it seems pretty consistent. I tend to keep it within 5 mph of the posted limit.
Will be taking a solo camping trip in September that will include a longer driving stint. Have already test fitted my camping gear and it all fits nicely even if it is more stuff than I would like to carry. Not as young as I used to be so I can't completely rough it anymore. Will have to leave the Kayak at home though.
Compared to the MG Midget that I drove from Santa Barbara to San Francisco when I was 19, this is the greatest road trip GT car ever.
You have an auto or manual transmission, Mate?
@@Notadrianmonroy MT. Anything else would be pointless.
@@MFitz12 atta boy!! 🤙
Glad to hear this further testimony on the suspension tuning. I have a BRZ coming in September, hopefully, and most of the back roads around me are hardly what I call smooth, and I’m not planning to track it. Sounds like the BRZ > 86 for dealing with those kind of roads, which is good for me as similar to you i started out looking for an 86 and gave up because they weren’t taking orders and charging 20% over MSRP for what they had.
How’s the BRZ?
Always a pleasure to watch your ownership review videos!! Since the first week you got your BRZ, I went to my local Toyota Dealer and put down a deposit for a Base GR86 at MSRP. Unfortunately I'm still waiting lol.
Good luck hopefully you'll get is soon.
Hey what was msrp? Can the dealer mark it up once you officially take delivery?
@@C_Suarez It was around $29,100 for a base model manual transmission in white. I had to sign a partial payment form and a some preliminary paperwork that stated my MSRP may vary depending on the options the allocated car would come with. I did not choose any options, so I’m pretty sure I’ll end up paying a bit more with whatever options the car will come with. I have been called already twice for premium models but I have denied them.
Congrats, what city/state is this in? Sounds like they have some premium models to get rid of, or are they simply trying to upsell?
@@Ethan7s Miami, FL. Most likely upswell given, they don’t get many allocations.
Coming from a 2016 Frs I cannot wait to feel what my 2023 premium brz is gonna feel like when it comes hopefully next month
Congrats!! I bet its gonna be sick
Thanks Chris, This is a very thoughtful and comprehensive summary of your first 2,400 miles of ownership. 👍
WhereI live, Subaru dealers have refused to sell BRZs since the 1st gen. So the only way to get one is importing one from the states or going to a Toyota dealership and buy an 86. I asked these Subaru dealers why don’t they want to sell BRZs and they say that they don’t think their clients want RWD Subarus 🙃. Yet Toyota dealers here sell them in less than 48 hours every time they arrive.
im about to make a 1800 mile trip in mine. glad to hear this car does good.
I drove my ‘13 from the coast of South Carolina to Las Vegas. It went surprisingly well tbh. It gets pushed around a bit when you reach flat lands with high winds but pretty stellar otherwise.
I have almost 4k miles on my 23 brz and my lifetime average so far is 27.4.
Keeping in mind I live in NYC and use it as my daily to commute to and from work and the mountains on whatever random day I can get away
The vents all being pointed in different directions is killing my ocd man. Just killing me..... it literally hurts
The premium BRZ interior looks much better than the pure GR86 one. Also the 17 inch wheels look way better in my opinion. Subaru did a great job with the base model!
Isn't the interior the same except for stitching color...?
@@trackntrail2869 yes it is, idk what he’s on about
@@OxiSG Ofc quality wise the two base models are the same. It just happends that I think the Subaru with its red stitching and the missing stitching pattern on the base seats, aswell as with its diffrent wheels looks way better IN MY OPINION! You are heartly invited to disagree.
I averaged 31 from salt lake to Colorado springs. On the return trip I only averaged 29. Not sure why the difference, but it's definitely better than I expected
Sounds great, wish I could get one for MSRP. Dealers raising its price by 10k means its not in my price range.
that's crazy, there are dealers out there selling for msrp
That and available supply. I have a '17, so still get regular emails and slug mail from the dealer. Of course they are always trying to tempt me with "how much my used car is worth", but they have also notified me that they are sold out of '22 BRZ's and if I was so inclined, could put down a deposit on a '23. Think I'd like to actually drive one before putting money down.
@@jonasbaine3538 they're not within 100 miles of my location buddy. I have a website with lists of dealers and what they charge in your area, I'm not going on a mini road trip for a car that's at the high end of my price range.
@@jonasbaine3538 i live in south florida, land of stupid people with too much money.
@@jordankelly4684 get it shipped. I had my motorcycle shipped to me from California to Georgia. It was fine.
Looks like a chill highway vehicle!
I’m so excited to see my GR86 on Monday 😁
A surprisingly car indeed, Mr. Topher...
😂😂😂indeedly
Just did a road trip NYC to Raleigh and back. 1100 miles. 2020 Accord 2.0 Sport. Fully stock, 29mpg on 93..Trying to convince my gf to get this car or the Si
Not crazy about the round fish eye mirrors, just adjust the mirrors out more to eliminate blind spots and use the rear view mirror for the rest.
Only thing I would disagree with are the seats, which obviously is very subjective. In my case, they are hands-down the most uncomfortable seats I've ever had, and I'm coming from a '19 WRX and a '16 before that, which both had super comfortable seats. I'm 5'10" 190 lbs, so not huge, but not tiny either, and I do have wide hips for a guy(even when I was 150 lbs I still had a 36" waist). That said, the seat bottom bolsters were way too snug and hard for these seats - to the point that they were making my leg go numb and becoming painful after only about 15 mins in the car. Ended up have to remove the bolster support wires and most of the bolsters themselves, replacing them with super soft filler in order to keep the seat shape. Now, they're significantly better and tolerable, but still not the best. Never had to modify seats like this in 35+ years of driving. Good enough to hold out for better aftermarket seats though, which for me at least, are necessary.
You should take the highlander out for a road trip next time! It’s a great road trip car (though with the V6 only avg’s around 26 mpg). Took it from NJ to Texas and back (~5000 miles) and it was great!
Drove mine all day today. Absolute pleasure💨
It's cool to see a TH-camr from metro Detroit lived here my whole life 😁
man I'm really torn between the new Brz/86 or the GR corolla.. Gonna have to wait until they officially announce the price of the corolla.
Got a feeling the Corolla is going to be damn near 50k by the time dealers add in their BS, at least in the first year.
I was also conflicted between these two, but what pushed me to edge towards the GR86 was that the GR Corolla is still based on the corolla platform, above all. The GR86 feels like a real sports car, while a GR Corolla will always be a hot hatch, a really great hot hatch.
The other is that i fell in love with the CE GRC with that carbon roof. But then I thought what if there was a CE GR86? Then itd be no brainer GR86. So it proved to me I actually prefer 86, I just wish it had a CE version.
The blind spot monitor on the new cars is actually better than those mirrors.
I thought it was a silly gimmick at first but have come to absolutely depend on those blond spot monitors. They see stuff before I do.
@@MFitz12 1st gen driver assists basically were gimmicks but after 15 or so years of them, engineers have dailed them in to such a level that yah they are way better then silly little glue on mirrors lol.
Did a 500 mile road trip and overall it is good. Road noise is manageable imo. I did have some lower back pain though but not sure if it’s just me not used to riding in those seats on long trips. I usually don’t have much back issues with other cars though. The Apple CarPlay issue is annoying when you are in an area with no signal. Sometimes Google maps stops navigation so you won’t be able to load back the map you were on if you don’t have signal.
I get google offline map loaded especially in predictable low signal areas. Works well then. No traffic updates though
I wish the limited car came with 17s like the previous model
I love the GR86, I want one.
I drove a 2022 Limited manual and I was surprised by the RPM the engine sat at when going 80mph. I understand that the final drive is higher to help acceleration, but still seems like it would hurt fuel economy at higher highway speeds.
I have a GR86 and have found that around 3,000 rpm is the sweet spot for fuel economy whether i'm in 4th gear or 6th gear. Took an 800 mile road trip a few weeks ago and got about 30 mpg on 70 mph highways.
@@DevoT But driving 70 on freeways is ridiculous. At least in the western US it's easy to do 80-90 most of the time.
Yes more BRZ content!
I never drove the 2022 one but my 2015 did a good job when I drove from NY to Florida. My car is saying it average 26.9 mpg but I don't know how true that is.
It seems like there is a huge range for what people are getting MPG wise. I've been averaging 20-22 with a mix of city/highway driving fairly conservatively. Best I have managed is 24. I'm at >5000 ft though, that could be playing a part.
I'm pretty sure Savagegeese reported similar gas mileage.
No boxer engine gets good MPG expect low 20s unless you're all freeway 65 cruise control then high 20's
totally - best I've managed is 24.5 with 50/50 mix of freeway and LA city (stop n go), it's usually around 20-22 mpg driving pretty conservative with 20/80 freeway/city mix.
Did you not have any anxiety road tripping without a spare tire?
Twice I drove my 2013 Frs cross country. Awesome car but man it was rough.
Have you checked out Michelin's CrossClimate2 tires. I put them on my Camry hybrid this spring and I really love them. I would love to see a skid path test done with them. They are really quiet, and they ignore the wet on pavement. Tempted to put them on my BRZ when it arrives.
Thanks for the update on your car!!
I have Primacy 4 on my 2017 GT86 and they do feel quite grippy. Granted my Primacy HP were very old so not much grip in that respect.
This car proved to the world that you don't need a 6 figure price tag on a car to enjoy the drive.
5:46 so true brother. So true
Agree with all of your points. Car is really good on the highway. Very stable at high speeds and comfortable. Love the seats/driving position for long hauls. Noise from the primacys is the only thing that keeps it from being a perfect cruiser but even that isn't too bad.
I didn’t understand the word “primacy” in your comment as English is my second language, could you explain please?!
@@lyon7410 primacy’s is just the name of the tires
7:45 Like that torque
8:45 Better seats
10:00 Night driving
11:30 👍
13:00 Suspension tuning
Fuel economy is always important, so thanks for covering that. I'm tired of these clowns why say "it's a sports car. If you want good fuel economy, buy a (fill in econo-box of choice)". This sentiment is just idiotic in my opinion. Even in a pickup truck, fuel economy is a major factor to anyone who wants to save money at the pump. Rant aside, I am currently cross shopping the BRZ Limited and the Miata GT soft top, both in manual, and thanks to discounts that are available to me, both cars would be excellent deals. The Miata would wind up being about $2000 more than the BRZ, but the Miata's drop top more than compensates for that price premium in my opinion. The much improved and bargain priced BRZ can't be ignored though.
1:05 thought I saw Cydia on your home screen for a sec lol
Im absolutely torn between a BRZ GR86 or Civic Si with the HPD package, the civic has the BOSE audio with the full safety suite whereas the twins are RWD but are lacking a decent audio system and a active safety suite in the MT models. Given that I already have a NC1 Miata I’m thinking it’ll still scratch my RWD itch if I go with the Si
Nah u need rwd
If you have a miata, get the 4 door si, and way better gas
Rwd always
@@hendersonli6594 you people really need to calm down with the RWD only crap. There's other cars that are fantastic and don't need rwd to be fun. You don't have to slide everywhere
If its a daily driver, civic si. If its for autocross/track, then brz/gr86.
Thanks for the advice on the blind spot mirror
love the car, but what pisses me off, is that they make this car for younger 'enthusiasts', and they put in a dreadful, awful stereo and infotainment. An automotive engineer will tell you that the cost difference between putting trash in a car, and a properly designed system is about $15 per vehicle. Yup.
God I miss those Michigan on ramps…
CSSubaruBRZCarFan Here Dude Chris For My Subaru Fans and My BRZs Fans Again That I am A First Subaru BRZ Car Like A 2016 Or A New 2022 Subaru BRZ Again We Just Love Subaru Cars A Lot.
The BRZ is your most favorite car on earth!
You should change your name to the BRZ Guy and then just review BRZ's only from here on out.
Idk what you expect, it’s his car he’s gonna do more with it than press vehicles he can only drive for an afternoon
Lol
SubaruBRZFan
I am still surprised they want to gear this car so aggressively that it turns well over 3000rpm at 75mph in sixth. Pretty much the same 6th gear as my ND2's 2.0L, and I already thought that car was silly overgeared. I'm sure the excessive revs contribute to a lightweight, aerodynamic car with a 2.4L getting official fuel economy ratings much worse than you would expect.
I prefer for cars with smaller engines to keep the revs higher in top gear. I'll gladly pay the price in lost mpg to avoid lugging.
My NB1 Miata turned 4k at 70 mph, and I'll admit, it took some getting used to. Once I got used to it, I didn't want to go back.
@@jayjacaty3009 I just don't think it's necessary gearing in a modern car. That engine (like the Miata) has considerable mid-range torque, and 6th gear is not used in a sporty fashion. I say keep the first 5 gears close ratio, and let 6th be a real highway gear. There's no way this engine would lug at 2700rpm at 75, unless you're going up a 10% grade. It's a big MPG penalty that just saves you from downshifting to 5th a couple times on a road trip.
@@thatoneotherotherguy Agree! It's such a stupid design, most of the modern 6 speed manuals are similar in this regard. My 2022 WRX at least stays at 3000 at 80. But that's still much too high!!!
I’ll willingly sacrifice a few MPG for a nice close ratio gearbox. I would hate to see it geared like a Cayman!
I just put a deposit down on a WR Blue Limited with the six-speed manual. ETA is December, I genuinely cannot wait!
I would expect much better fuel economy from a light weight NA car, compared to Supra 2.0T.
You shouldn't expect a 2.4 NA to be more efficient than a 2.0 turbo
16,000 miles on my daily brz 🌚🌚 did a couple road trips hehe fun car
can you please somehow make your voice louder in the video pls? i can barely hear your voice at all.
6:23 can confirm, all four 18" rims on my gti are currently bent.
27 mpg on such a small car with a 228hp engine, is kinda stopping it from being a road trip car. At $5+ a gallon
I get mid-30's on the highway no problem.
i can drive about 3.5-4hours before i have to full refuel, but the chairs are not comfortable at all to sit in for 7hours in
Sounds pretty loud IMO... Hope some better tires make it better.
stock exhaust and speaker disabled? Sounds ok like that really
Worried about dailying this thing since Im not used to something with more road feel + road noise. Feel like after a year+ of it I might get tired and look to sell/trade.
Dang, my 2001 Miata 1.8l VVT with a 3.9 6-speed manual and 200tw tires aired up to 34lbs I get like 25-26mpg when I'm doing mostly highway trips.
I wonder what those same road trip MPG would’ve been with the RPF’s? Ive found ultra light wheel/tire setups on my 2018 Civic increased about 2 MPG.
So sad to see more comments about fuel economy rather than the car itself and how fun it is to drive.
Lovin the BRZ
How is the stereo system? You touched on carplay which sounds typical, but how are the speakers and such?
If I cruise at 75 I get 25mpg but 68mph gets me around 30mpg
putting a deposit down friday :)
trading in a 3 series
I live in Nj, and am worried about winter
When you mention winter tires, do you swap & keep same rims on for winter?
you should get an exhaust for it !!
How tall are you just curious because I’m thinking of getting a car like this and I’m damn near 6’4 and I’m still growing
I’m 6’3 150 lbs and most of that height is legs, my dad is 6’3 240 lbs mostly torso and we both fit in here comfortably
5'10, but you'll fit fine at 6'4, I have a buddy who daily drives his FR-S and is 6'4
I am 6'3" and kept growing well into my 20s. If you are still growing you might want to lease a car rather than buying one.
@@michaelwakim2198 u would look like a walking stick at only 150
Hey Chris! Been around for a long long time, I had a 2013 that I bought mainly because of your brz! I am trying to decide between ordering a 23 brz or a GR86. I just wanted to ask you if you could tell the difference between the two in terms of throttle response/ rev-hang? I’ve seen the graph showing the GR86 tune closes the throttle faster and I can’t find anyone who has driven them both and noticed a difference?
Have you had issues with flying rocks on the windshield? I got multiple scratches on mine and had to get it replaced because of 2 large cracks
Try Momo or Ironman tires next time - very surprised at their performance and quietness! They're not top-tier, but get you 85-90% of the performance of the top brands.
I have a 2016 brz and was considering buying 2022 suspension to improve ride comfort, would you say its a major difference between your older brz? P.s Love watching all your reviews btw, any plans to review the 2024 sonata n line?
7:40 its already doing over 3k rpms so definetly in the power in 6th. how is the fuel economy with it geared like that?
The GR86 ride a lot rougher?
I'm also curious about the difference in BRZ vs GR86 for road manners. Does the BRZ make the better road trip car, even with what are likely minor suspension differences?
A little bit but drastically a big difference.
You find any bad tire wear with that much inflation on the tyres? I’ve never gone over 32-ish but if I can go over and get better mileage w/o bad tyre wear I’d be all for it!
Can easily do 36psi without issue. I do that with my daily highway commuter. No abnormal tire wear for me
Nah, the BRZ is so light that tires really don't wear out as much as you'd expect. I had to work hard to wear down the Primacy's on my 2014 BRZ and even then I could only get them down to 50% tread by the time I sold the car in 2020.
If you’re playing music does the display screen show the album cover?
Drive and review a Hyundai KN
Have you take this car road trip to San Francisco?
Any particular fisheye mirror preference?
The ones that rotate usually don’t move around as much. Autozone or o’reilly’s
@@TheTopher Thanks!
how can a car with such poor cabin noise insulation be considered a good road trip car??
I’m not gonna lie a gtr is my dream car but this car right here is the car Ik I can get and afford in the future only problem is idk how to drive manual Ik there’s automatics out there but I heard there hard to find is that true also tbh I’m sorta scared to drive manual Afraid it’s just gonna keep dying out on me and or not switching gears on time Ik the lights flash above the speed odometer which would help me but I’m still kinda afraid anyone have any tips for me in the future ? Id gladly appreciate it
Yeah I have the same android auto disconnecting problem in my gr86,
You took a 6hr road trip?
Is this your actual daily car mate?
have you felt any rattle in your transmission? I have changed the shifter twice and all of them rattle….even the STI short shifter !
A guy my size 6 2 235 lbs would you think interior space is decent? I wish dealers would have one so I could check for myself but they don't in Maryland