how i8s that any different from college tuition lol haha. so it every other educational system in the world. there to make money.. but Dapp university and Hackathons are way better and cheaper.
I attended one, in my country there are some 6 month bootcamps. The difference is that for me it was completely free and after I finished got a job in 2 weeks from a company that is in a partnership with the school, so they had very realistic expectations with me. Overall for me this was a great experience and I love my job.
I think there is a factor that could be missed on this too. And that is how did she sell herself to the employers. Yea she did bootcamp yea she did all those applications yea she when to a ton of interviews. But how did she sell herself in those interviews. Just because you do applications and go to interviews you have to sell yourself like a product. Plus what is her previous employment history. Has she had a lot of jobs in a short period of time in the past. These are things to keep in mind. Just saying.
I have a hard time finding solid data about the success rates of these boot camps. Almost as if by design. Why don’t tech companies design their own boot camps?
Total waste of money literally a belligerent rip off .. all I learned in Boot Camp was terminologies and git hub .. Everything else is self thought .. top best computer science programs are Udemy Colt Steele and Full Sail University.. hands down these people are a blessing
I'm a self-taught developer. It took me 319 job applications, to get 4 interviews and 1 offer. From the moment I started to study until I get my job, it took me 18 months and probably I didn't spend more than 2 grand between my laptop and udemy courses. I'm glad I followed this route!
It's the best way to go! Problem is that most people don't want to put in the work and want the "easy" way in. That's why they sign up for the 13-week 6 figure job boot camp. Honestly coding bootcamps are just a software development get rich quick scheme..
@@DorianDevelops That's just not true Dorian and a bit insulting to students of coding bootcamps. A lot of people want to put in the work and would rather be self-taught developers. Who wouldn't want to learn from home and pay close to $0, and still get the skills and the better job at the end. But learning on your own requires a good amount of self-confidence and motivation that is often hard to come by when you're already working a job that you don't like, or when you are stuck on a bug and can't get the help, when you wonder if you are good enough to learn to code etc... That's why ~95% of self-taught developers bail (lookup online learning completion rates), not because they're lazy and looking for shortcuts.
@@ludovicf Im going through the same. Bank teller for the past 13 years with no other skill but counting currency bills I decided to learn coding to switch my career but it's been almost two years and I still feel like Im not 100% proficient in html and css.. and now with a family and a full day job I'm finding it really really hard to practice code and succeed in it. 😢
@@sarfraznawaz7248You can do it! I was stocking shelves at a grocery store, working overnight. I always felt I wasn't ready, but I was still applying for jobs. I showed my company that I didn't know much, but I would give my all to succeed. They believed in me, and it's been 4 months since I literally doubled my salary, and I couldn't be happier!!! Keep studying, keep applying for jobs, you will have your chance to prove you deserve to be in this career!
I took a bootcamp because being self taught wasn't working out for me unfortunately... What the bootcamp really help me do is see the bigger picture in terms of what I was learning. It gave me the structure and direction I needed to learn what I needed to become a software developer. Thats just my experience though, if you're disciplined enough to be self taught then by all means go in that direction.
@@juliangonzales1169 Going to press a huge "X" on doubt. Because if you don't have the discipline to learn on your own... an actual programmer job is going to destroy you. Unless the company wanted a $9/hr code monkey.... then he can just buy a manual on algorithms.
That was what i was thinking… is not about being in a bootcamp or not, what matters is what the company will see on you. Probably she had troubles in the interview
@@LeonnardoNascimento Totally agree with you. As a senior software engineer I do participate in interviewing people time to time. It's funny that people who took the boot camp have fantastic resume where we do interview them. We ask them simple concepts, most of them do not have that approach that we simply have to put down.
@@min-k2689 that makes totally sense because the bootcamp helped me a lot to get at least an experience in how to do almost everything but unfortunately they dont go deep about the concepts especially with most basic things like css grids, what is oop, crud... That makes me feel kinda bad because even graduating i still feel i need more things to be at least accepted in a good company.
I got a 4 year degree in CS and landed a six-figure salary in an average cost of living metropolitan area 7 months before graduation. Although school gave me a well rounded education, when it came to the job hunt, personal projects outside of school are what will land you a job. Even traditional CS students are naive to believe that a degree will automatically land them a job. I know people who go into these bootcamps without ever having expressed an interest in coding, thinking they’ll land a 6-figure salary after completing the program. No matter which route you take, - university, boot camp or self-taught - if you don’t have an interest in coding or a strong drive, you won’t make it. Also, lower your salary expectations, and if you don’t, then work hard and avoid anything trying to pay you under $60K.
Graduated this spring. My 4 years college literally had a single class on html css js, and it was an elective. Top 30 college too. So many of my peers are totally fucked in the job market right now because they literally can't even code a website front or back end and only know whatever stupid Java and C projects the core classes gave them
In reality employers cares more about experience and whether you can acutally do the job than a college degree. The same applies to the IT field as you don't need a degree to work in IT as you are gling to end up starting out at the Help Desk before moving up as a Network Engineer or Systems Administrator. I've been working in IT myself without a college degree since 2012 and I'm actually a college drop out that went from studying CompSci to Network and Systems Administration. I had a home lab ready running 4 servers which then turned into a paid gig of me designing and deploying a business Network infrastructure and server for a small business. Hell Edward Snowden didn't have a college degree either that worked as a government contractor in varies of IT roles such as a Systems Administrator. All he had was a Security clearance.
I’ve chosen the Bootcamp route not because of the pipe dreams . I know from experience in my current field you have to grind to get a job. I choose Bootcamp because I need to structure. I tried the self taught route and I just didn’t have the drive/discipline to be consistent in my learning.
She had 40 interviews in those 6 months though so it wasn't the fault of the bootcamp. You still have to pass the interviews so in this case it was probably her
I get your point, but some people aren't good at selling themselves or speaking about their work, therefore, they will find it difficult to do interviews. It doesn't mean she is not capable of doing the job.
I agree. I went to the same bootcamp as her and it only took me 3 interviews before I got an offer. Our career coach collected data on all his grads and found it took something like 6 interviews for the average grad to get their first offer. I wonder if there's an issue with the way she's counting interviews as well. Did she interview with 40 companies or did she do 3-4 interviews each with 10-12 companies? I interviewed with only 3 companies, but I could say it took my 9 interviews or 30+ if I count phone screens from various companies and recruiters.
They're great if you need that kind of learning structure. I needed the structure, social accountability, and something external to drive me to study after a long day of work. I wasn't the first to get a job, but got 2 job offers 2 months later. They definitely don't guarantee a job, and it was especially hard to get a job during covid due to hiring freezes.
I took a 5 month bootcamp, working my ass off 12+ hours per day. After ending it I kept on studying that way, applying for at least 10 companies each day. I got a job after a month and a half. EDIT: I'm now getting job offers basically every day. Oh, I got trained on how to sell myself and I have over 10 years of experience in communication, I think that was what helped me the most, more than knowing how to code or having a nice portfolio.
Great video - I believe that coding is inherently self-taught. It is an advanced skill that requires active ingestion of new concepts and focused practice on a routine basis. Bootcamps can be perhaps a valuable intro to the concepts of coding, but it is going to require focused outside effort from the student to achieve even basic competency.
I went to a bootcamp for 6 months called App Academy and just like college you have to be proactive during and after. Took me a month after to land a 90k start up job which I had for a couple months which landed me at where I'm currently making almost 200k. I probably applied to 500 jobs and had only a couple respond. I plan on making twice that much in 2 years so for me a bootcamp help get the ball rolling but there are people in that bootcamp that didn't really amount to anything so it's definitely up to the individual.
Did u have degree befor entering because I think that’s what helped u bootcamp graduate without degree can’t make thta much money in first job they get
I need to add here that familiarity is a big part of the process. Boot camp gave me both the familiarity with fundamental software concepts, and some fantastic career support. While I think that I could have gotten here eventually on my own, it certainly accelerated the process. I have a job now, and it took about 6 months from the start of boot camp. I think going for the cheapest one that has structure would probably be a nice compromise for a lot of people. Also on the job search front, between me and my colleagues, anywhere from 200 to 500 applications was very normal; some students were doing 10-20 applications a day, and a lot of us got jobs pretty fast. So the 2 applications per day would be pretty slow in the whole scheme of things.
I went to Coding Temple, an online camp that teaches Python and web tech stack stuff, a pretty nice mix with lots of practice and personal attention. Best part was the career support though.
I just graduated from General Assembly last month and they were pretty transparent about the hunt. It was gonna be rough, but you get out of it what you put into it. People who expect to receive a golden ticket of some sort are only kidding themselves. I do think they're overpriced, but the structure and teaching was still really great. Personally, I'd definitely do it again if I had the choice, but I think the people who spend 6+ months searching aren't being proactive applicants who are networking and adjusting their resumes and building their portfolios after graduating. If you're applying to every job with the same resume, a github link with 0 contributions since graduation, and a portfolio with semi-refined work?? Probably not gonna get that job. Idk. Just seems like the popular thing to do is hate on bootcamps when I do feel like they contribute a lot to getting people involved in coding. Overpriced? Sure, but so is college. Some people just need the structure, and if they're okay with paying the price for it, then I don't see why it's such an issue.
Saying you only get out of it what you put into it is the biggest copout in the book. Often you need to exceed what you would get in order to reach your goals.
@@raventhorX it was meant as a general statement, not so literally. It’s A LOT of work, so people who put 0 extra effort into their skills, portfolio, resume, etc. most likely aren’t gonna get a job. That’s the point.
@@roxieetc your statement stating that "people who put 0 EXTRA effort into their skills, portfolio, resume, etc" right there already proves my point. If I get out of it what I put into it why is the an "extra" in the first place. That by itself already implies you need to put more into it then what you get out.
I think finding a mentor and going the self-taught route is perfectly fine. Unless the price isn't an issue for you. That price might give people the motivation they need to push themselves. I also wouldn't jump into a bootcamp without at least knowing the fundamentals of programming.
Here's the thing many bootcamps actually require you to finish a preparation course which is basically the fundamentals of programming. So you actually can't get in to some of these programs without actually knowing how to program.
Boot camps definitely can land you a job. Just don’t go in expecting to work at a FAANG unless you really have some exceptional stuff on your portfolio.
I went to bootcamp and it was great experience. In my country it is quite affordable 3.5 half months full time study for aproximately equivalent 3 months salary. It took me three months to land first job, because most employers wasnt exited to hire 30 years old junior. But I make it through and now recruiters and companies comes to me and asking for my services :-).
This video both give me hope and a sense of greater fear and jeopardy for having it worse. I'm on my 3rd year in university doing CS. And not performing nearly as much in standards. I've already given up A LOT of good chunk of time trying to learn like crazy, from day to night doing mathematics and code every other minute. It made me frail and insane almost despising being human and such. Now I have serious tons of catching up.
Finishing up my MS in Software Engineering. As any software engineer knows, school/courses are not enough. The reason I rocketed up the ladder after my BS in Software Engineering was because of my display of side projects. Almost every single one of my offers noted one of two things. Independence to construct and follow through with ideas and implementation. OR... Elicitation of requirements and client-facing manner reflects good translation of from low level concepts to easy to understand pieces. As an example, Amazon (whom I do not work for) reached out to me during one of my "exploring my options" phases, because they saw one of my side projects I had done and were impressed with it. More side projects, especially in different languages/frameworks, shows your ability to adapt and learn quickly. That's probably the advice I give everyone getting into software... And if you're not passionate about software... This isn't the field for you. It's not a quick buck or an easy out. There's a good reason the software industry has an insanely high burnout rate.
Though I agree with you, I just think companies just dont want to train or mentor people anymore. I feel like I am gambling every time I applied. I am back in School and at the same time working on my own Software LLC due to the Job hunt being like it is.
@@nikhilchauhan7511 in the same breath why invest in them when they wont invest in you? Most other profession have some sort of training after you have a foundation. Nures, plumbers and auto mechanics. After you build your own portfolio and you excel in it, a person can just work for themselves and cut the middle man and make all the money. Besides that companies need to be honest and say they only veterans.
@@nikhilchauhan7511 To answer the question directly, I have a good foundation that my Associste Degree In Information Tech provided. Data Structers, Algorithm anayalis and more. That should be enough to accomplish any programming task. I get exprience in the field is better but they are not giving you that chance. You litterally have to work for yourself and then apply. If you do this, their is a good chance you could just work for yourself and be better off. Even if one does work for these companies they should not expect company loyalty because they do not invest in you in the slightest and that why they should at least train developers with a good foundation if they are going to expect company loyalty. Since they don't, then employees should just work for a paycheck with side hustle for job security. Framworks come and go but the foundation is forever.
What the "wow took her 6 months!" Doesn't factor in is the bootcamp was only 3 months. She got a job in 9 months!!! College grads have to wait 4 years and spend much more money. One commenter wrote it took him 18 months being self taught which means he lost more money in potential wages than the cost of the bootcamp. This isn't the anti-bootcamp stance you think it is lol
I am against boot camps becsuse they prepare you for one job within Tech. A college degree prepares you for a varitey od Jobs within tech. Lets say I dont become a developer, I havr training in database while my bootcamp equivliant only knows one specific form of development. A Degree Cost more because I am learing so much more. In the end neither will guartee you a job but college leaves you better off if you do not go in massive debt otherwise uou fucked yourself with college. To recap: College teaches a varitey of skills in tech bott camps do not. Major Negative for College is possible is massive debt.
@@computernerd8157 A college degree is infinitely more expensive these days because of all of the unnecessary added bullshit gen ed courses you don't even need that don't apply to your major whatsoever. Great if you want to get into the same IT field as some bootcamp grad after you've spent 4 years learning it and they spent 6 months so be it. Not everyone wants to go back to college for another degree if they can avoid it, student loan prices are bananas.
@@CaptTragedy Yeah, if you have something you're passionate about learning you're probably better off enrolling to an online university in a country that's more reasonable about building curriculums (e.g. the ~7k USD per year tuition UK Open University, where a BSc/BA is only 3 years and a master's is 1)
@@CaptTragedy A College Degree even at a 2 year level Associate is still more valuable then a boot camp and is affordable. Companies still insist on a 4 year degree for the most part. Look for a State Unversity Like I am doing. Mines still cost alot but its way cheaper then most. I still stand by what I said. Looking at what I am learning comparing to a boot camp. I can apply it to all types of Software Development and not just web or mobile for that matter. Overall, School does not make a good developer dedcation and passion does. I would personally Hire anybody that went to a boot camp or self taught if I can get my LLC profitable.
@@computernerd8157 Most tech jobs you can by away with out the need of a degree since most employers cares more about experience and whether if you can acutally perform the job. This is esp true in the IT field thats very heavily experience driven. With online training platforms with little over head, you self teach yourself just about anything. A degree won't guarantee you a job without experience or a project portfolio. There's a lot of self taught Database Administrators out there. I've been working in the IT industry since 2012 without a college degree in varies of roles.
I can relate to this video, because it took me 4 months after completing my 17K boot camp to get hired, and the pay wasn't good either. What's funny is that a lot of my cohorts ended up not getting a job in IT when I checked up on them a year later.
@@Maria-xd8yc This is a no brainer, CS degree. You will still need to put the work on both but with the degree you are not bound to only one type of tech job but several.
All depends on what job you are applying to. You generally don't need a degree at all to work in IT esp in Support roles and Operations/Infrastructure roles like a Network Engineer or Systems Administrator since those roles are based on having experience and certs that build on as you grow. Software development you just have to build a project portfolio as a way of displaying experience.
@@Maria-xd8yc Not getting a free college degree is batshit mentally damaged insane. If you want instead, try being Jokers right hand man and join The Suicide Squad. AT LEAST try this. Don't worry on general credits grades and use that spare time to network in your area and always meet new people and go on hackathons or just try to find places to hang out and learn skills. If you still cannot get a job after graduation, THEN bootcamp. With networking with people + CS Degree + bootcamp that is 100% chance at getting job in first 3 DAYS not months.
I'll make one correction. I'm a bootcamp grad from General Assembly as of 3 days after you posted this video. I just wanted to address the ISA terms, because I'm also bound to an ISA with them. It's a 4 year, not 8 year agreement, and they charge an additional 50% tuition as interest across the 4 years. You're in deferment for the first 6 months post graduation, and after that, you have to provide income documentation. If you're above 40k a year, you'll be obligated to pay 10% of your income per month until you've either paid the 23,000 dollars or 48 months, whichever comes first. That's all the negative stuff. But the upside is, if you're unemployed, or you take a job in your old industry that doesn't break that 40k mark, you remain in deferment. If you remain in deferment for 54 months (the 6 month post grad + the 48 month agreement) then your debt is forgiven entirely. Obviously not having a job in software for almost 5 years post graduation after putting in all that time and effort to learn a new trade would suck, but at least you won't owe them any money.
I will say I got lucky graduating from my bootcamp and had offers within 60 days. I was self taught before I joined so i already had a good foundation but I think it would have taken me probably another 6 months to get to where I was after graduating and recruiters did really seem to like having my bootcamp on my linkedin.
I appreciate this video. And it's crazy cause I just started app Academy's free self taught boot camp. I was pretty worried about dropping 20k on their normal program which led me to just try and self teach. So far so good. And can't beat free.
I am currently attending a boot camp for software engineering, and very early on I realized that these boot camps will teach you the bare minimum to get in the door at an entry level position. Everything else definitely has to be self taught. I’m not complaining about the boot camp at all, but I am aware of the limitations and try to make up for it by studying/research after I do my coursework. I am actually very happy with the experience, and I’m glad I decided to take on this journey because I definitely do not have the discipline to teach myself any of these concepts.
@@MrZealot11 Thinkful Bootcamp. I admit I haven't been submitting applications the way I should be, but I landed an offer from this one company, trouble is they only want a part-time/back-up. I'll accept the job but will still submit applications weekly until I land a full-time position somewhere.
Honestly, jobs are all about who you know. I’ve yet to fill out an application for a job I’ve held. To get my first job a couple years ago, I applied to 25 places a week, but did start before I graduated college. Bootcamps are cool, but I think using free websites are just as good
I have a cs degree out of ucla and I go through several hundreds of rejections, not to mention several hundred others ghosting me. most of those interviews took all day, from white-boarding, to being asked questions by 2 or 3 managers & tech leads. Many people think its easy, its not and I have a cs degree.
I'm in the same situation. Someone told me I should have picked a career in health care since it's easier to get a job but they just don't know it's hard for us to get the first job.
@@naomirodriguez9638 Yeah nursing can be a little overrated, still people have to work very hard to get that first job. Once you prove yourself you will be OFFERED jobs. Go from job offers to offered jobs. haha that's a good line.
2:45: well it's going to be what you put into it too. Assuming that money is going to buy you a skill is nonsense. Too many variable here like did she grind day in and dya out trying to improve. Simply attending a bootcamp doesn't mean anything or even graduating from one. We all have different starting abilities and different drive. A self-taught programmer who grinds and has passion for the process...let me just say that 40 interviews and getting 2 offers means she was probably failing coding challenges at the interviews which is ok but also not the responsibility of the bootcamp.
I 100% agree with you but when someone signs up to an $18000 bootcamps they probably assume that's going to be enough for them to get a job. And I think that the bootcamps should be held accountable in that regard because many of them market their program as a fast track to getting "job ready".
Coding in a whole is self taught requires extreme discipline not to get distracted takes endless amounts of time and patience. People will troll because they don't like the harsh truth and reality.
I attended a $10,000 bootcamp (which is on the low end for bootcamp tuitions) and am not sure if I would have done it if it cost much more than that. My bootcamp was pretty up front through the whole process that the bootcamp was not the golden ticket to land a job and was pretty realistic about the job application process. All told, the $10,000 to have the structure, the resources, and the skills learned from the collaborative environment that you can’t get when being self-taught was worth it. I was offered a job 3 months after graduating. Landing a job is largely about making connections outside of just submitting the application, but there is a little bit of luck involved with that as well. Spending money on a bootcamp is going to depend on the person. If someone is considering a bootcamp, I recommend going through a bootcamp offered through a university since those are often cheaper.
Yup it’s no longer what it used to be. There’s more saturation and competition now than before. Either way-self taught or not, it just depends on how good you are and who’s interviewing you
@@devine_noise it is, I’m sorry I didn’t mean to come off snarky or anything. My job is offering this coding bootcamp and I will be reimbursed when completed. Want it to be worth it
The same thing has been happening for years in the trucking industry. Schools giving someone a few weeks of “training” but you have to spend years paying them back $$$. A lot of evil people out there willing to take advantage of the naive.
I went to AA, have been rejected 751 times. I’m on the final round for an interview now with this new job, so hopefully that works. But 300 rejections are rookie numbers LOL. Good for her though!
@@ImTheBatchMan Congrats! Yeah job search isn't easy. My coach would always tell me, "the grand canyon wasn't made by unbelievably powerful water, it was made by water that never stopped." Got me through a lot of the hard days.
Good luck I hope you get the job! I graduated with a bachelors in cs last year and got a job in 3 months as a project manager for a small company. Not exactly what I want to do but I took any opportunity they offered and pay is no where good enough to be living comfortably in southern California. I have decent experience now just need to look for a better job. Will continue practicing since this position made me rusty. Good luck to everyone!
@@emanuelcarmona9930 Good luck to you too! Being a project manager and not being able to live comfortably is a robbery. Hope you start getting paid what you're worth!
@@ImTheBatchMan @Emanuel Carmona I don't know if it was your guys well wishes or a gift from a higher power, but this week I got a response from Google to fly out to north carolina for an on-site interview. Literally cried reading that email. All the hard work was worth it in the end I guess. I hope you guys have a great year. Thanks for the well wishes.
Yeah this is so true. My coding bootcamp advertised I could get a job in 3 months when in reality it took a year for me to get hired finally at a 60k contract position. During that 1 year span I still had to work part-time at my other job, study Algorithms and data structures, build side projects, and volunteer my programming services to gain software development experience. 😅
It depends on the person and the luck. My friend graduated with a chemistry degree in UMD and then went to an Android bootcamp, then landed a 90k for his first job, and 130k in his second. He doesn't have a CS degree. He is a rare case though. A lot of effort and luck
It took me almost a year, and I am still happy about the decision because it was an alternative, and at that the best learning experience i had ever. It’s not just about a job. 6 months is not the worst - there are people not getting one and giving up.
Also, bootcamp is what you make it - it’s all about the attitude. And even 6 months is nothing compared to a full on degree. Even if the degree is worth it - some adults don’t have the 3 years of time and need to earn money and don’t have the drive or confidence to self teach everything.
I went through Lambda School in 2018-2019. It was a 24 month ISA at the time which imo isn't that bad. The school was great for 2/3s of the course, but after the lack of communication was really nerve racking. I didn't apply to jobs every day so most of the blame is on myself for sure but they really didn't help much at all in that department. I did end up getting lucky after a year of job searching with the connections I made in Lambda School however and landed a remote job making decent money like you were mentioning. I couldn't be happier with where I am now, but if I wasn't so lucky I might recommend getting a traditional degree or doing self taught. I am currently helping my friends out because I already went through this process and I know how hard it can be.
So the lambda connections they have with companies didn't help at all? I thought they have recruiters to help with the interviews! Did they really help with the 50kyear promise they say
@@lokokrz.gaming in a way it did help, but I didn't go through their system to get a job, my company just hired a bunch of people from Lambda School and my friend recommended me
I feel like I also know everything you said about boot camps, finding a job, starting salaries, and having to work hard outside of the program itself in the last three days of research I’ve done, but I find it all incredibly positive to be able to change one’s life circumstance through hard work and what amounts to a bargain when comparing the comparable cost of attending a college to get a degree for a similar end result. Self study is also a great option, but without direction can take even longer.
I took a couple years out of school & decided to go back to school for Software engineering, instead of coming out of pocket for a coding bootcamp. I went back to school & my job which pays for my certificate & tuition. I have, no out of picket expenses. It takes up to 10 months for a freshman. I had this plan mapped out to save money because bootcamps are expensive & I refused to take out a loan. So check your colleges & surrounding areas. You may even be eligible to get a IT certificate through a state funded program if you get government assistance. Even financial aid will cover a certificate if your college has the certificate built into your degree, which most of the time they do. Not that you have to get a degree but I really want mine so there u go. I wanted to educate people on this bcus I haven’t seen anybody talking about this avenue!
I saw this same post and wondered why this happened. I know a bunch of people who have done bootcamps and no one I know took longer than 3 months to find their first job. My personal job search after bootcamp (Springboard) was 3 and a half weeks. A number of others in my cohort had jobs before they finished the program. I applied only in the evenings (was working full time) so I am not sure how someone spending 8 hours a day applying and getting 40 interviews would only end up with 2 offers. Maybe she wasn't quite ready for her technical interviews or something. My bootcamp was remote, cost me $7000, and offers a money back guarantee if you don't get a 50k+ job within 6 months.
So she got 40 interviews in 6 months, which means she was interviewed every 4.5 days. That's actually not bad. It just means that she wasn't dling well on those interviews.
I wanna thank you for your honesty man. I enjoy your videos and they're really helping me. We half similar backgrounds and your a real encouragement thanks for taking the time to make these videos.
2 years ago someone I know quit their day job and went on a 3-month boot camp. I don't know what worked in her case but employers were knocking on her door, within a month she had several job offers
@Hoang Le she might be because 6 months after getting her first job as a dev she was promoted to a team leader. To be honest she might be an exception because before all this she worked 2 part time jobs while doing her master's in 2 foreign languages and graduated with honours.
Thanks for saying this. I went to a boot camp and was one of those lucky few who landed the pipe dream after just 10 applications. I was irritated with the boot camp already at that point, feeling I could have self taught, because that’s what I did: All of the content was online, available on GitHub. The reason I landed the pipe dream job was because I: 1. Had an existing network and existing professional work experience, 2. studied extensively beyond the scope of our program and continued to do so following graduation, and 3. Was on that leetcode grind the entire bootcamp because my own personal network had stressed the importance of DSA practice to me before I even started. That isn’t the experience of nearly 75% of the people in my cohort. I should have listened to advice that I could self teach but fell for the networking bs. Instead, the bootcamp’s “networking” was setting students up with companies like Revature. 🙃 I denied the bootcamp to be able to use my name in promotional materials- I am not their average student and I have no intention of being used to sell a lie. If you really want to do this, I promise you don’t need to pay 15k+ for a bootcamp. If you need career help, pay a career coach for some sessions and get a professional resume review. Do a practice technical interview on skilled inc. All of that would cost you less than 1k and give the same results!
In my cohort i only know one person who didnt get a job before graduation or shortly after. but he ended up getting on with jp morgan maybe 4 months later. Pick your bootcamp wisely!!!
I always thought that both college and coding bootcamps are a total rip off. Lots of people have this mindset that spending lots of money on education somehow is like buying a golden ticket and a red carpet will roll out for you. It really all comes down to you being absolutely 100% into what you're doing and doing outstanding work over a long period of time to perfect and master your craft. Nobody is going to do it for you.
agreed. bootcamps and college outline your learning and give you a path but you practically learn it on your owns anyways. so look up the curriculum and copy it
You can't teach people how to code. You can only show them examples. That's what those calculus and discrete mathematics courses are for. if you want solutions like a code monkey, they already have code interpreters for that, and it's by far much cheaper than a $9/hr code monkey.
Tuition is $8000 a year for the best college in my state. But with a few scholarships and finacial aid you can make it nothing. Scholarships for CS is also easier too. Its what I did.
@@AJ213Probably sounds like the school I went to... there's a NSF scholarship for Computer Engineering, and it's 150,000 for 4 years. So essentially... you're PAID to get it.
Man! You have got to be one of the realest TH-camrs I have ever watched. I think everyone that is starting out in learning to code should tune into your content so we can easily identify the trickery these boot camps and bs YTbers are selling. Thank you bro!
I'll stick with TH-cam videos and teaching myself. The going is slow and sometimes frustrating, but I don't have that type of money to toss to some "school". If I end up getting a Web Dev job, great, if I don't at least I learned a new skill.
Bootcamps are a good route if you have the money or okay with going into debt and if you learn better with others in a structured environment. I like learning at my own pace and had so much debt from school loans that I didn't want to get into more debt from a boot camp. If you're able to get a job after a bootcamp, even 6 months after completing a bootcamp, $18k is a good investment for a career path that will bring in 6 figures. But this is a big risk for people who can't afford to be out of work for over 8 months at the least. If you are going into a boot camp, be aware of the risks. Make sure the curriculum is good, you are okay with long hours of stressful learning, and possibly be unemployed and looking for a job for many months.
I think 6 months is good now that I look back. 😅 she went to the top bootcamp so she's definitely pretty smart. I thought it'd take me 1 month when I first started. So naive 🤦🏾♀️ Those bootcamps that make you pay years after are wicked. It used to be 1 year, then 2 years and now some are 8 years?! I did self taught but it was brutal. I would have preferred to do a bootcamp because self teaching was lonely and discouraging.
I'm a four year college graduate from the year 2000 with a bachelor of science in computer science. Ive held a couple of development positions over the past 22 years but most of my experience has been in QA. I want to switch back to development and been grinding 3-4 hours a day after work for the past 7 months. I considered doing a bootcamp to further enhance my knowledge. But I don't know if it's going to teach stuff I already know and will be a waste of money. My goal is to be faster in my problem solving.
Just 357 rejections? I got rejected 548 times with 7 interview. I did a bootcamp and after bootcamp I started to search for a entry level job as a developer and finally got a job(im working as a frontend developer) after 548 rejections.
I’ve been taking colt steeles udemy web developer course. Self teaching myself and coding along. Now going into the back end making requests, working within the terminal. I hope that I will be comfortable with making a portfolio with all that syntax I’ve learned and get my first job
I joined a boot camp and got in for free by applying through a scholarship and , trust me it’s basically teaching yourself but because your pair programming and working in a team your forced into being accountable for your education
Many people who go to study in these bootcamps, do not obtain any results and they can enter in debt because they believe that they are going to get a job and that they are actually making an investment. One does not hear of these cases because the bootcamp companies intimidate them and force them to sign confidentiality agreements where they cannot talk about what happened. I would like you to speak a little more about this.
Great video! I think you’re really onto an important problem. Not Only do they charge that much because there are no pricing estimates on what they’re really worth. Some of them also don’t even have screening processes of candidates, so it’s pretty much all about who can pay a lot. And many of the graduates also end up as assisting teachers which is not exactly What they had in mind I think during the pandemic This has become an even bigger problem when the demand for tech jobs is just rocketting skyhigh
Allow me to shared my journey in tech (only about 17 months in or so): I was a barber at 14 self taught always had an eye for beauty and design. After I turned 20 I decided to get my license fast forward I'm charging 65$ just to fade you. Boom covid hit no more job for me. So the stimmy checks come in (yeah I got some cool shit) but I used it mainly to get through the pandemic and buy a pc to learn to code/game on. So I sign up for a university of Washington hosted web dev camp (trilogy). Here's how that went: you pay 12k to go then they start you with the basics html then css then some JS now there's one teacher about 40-50 students and 3 TA. The TA were fresh graddys who couldnt land jobs (not a inspiring start) so obviously they didn't know shit. The teacher was good but spread way too thin for the class. Now there were three types of people in the camp the ones who practiced beyond the assignments and work and those who didn't and ppl like me who did the work and studied PC's and comp si on my own to understand more than just making a pretty site. So after the 3 weeks 1 per tool set (html,css....) We move on from the holy 3 as I call them and this is where I got pissed. They start teaching us some old ass tech like handlebars and mustache like shit NO one uses now. Then we get a week of SQL a week of mongo more js then jQuery. Mean while we get homework on these each week. As any coder knows when you're green a week isn't shit when learning code. Finally we get last 2 weeks for react. No one got a job I was the first one and that because I changed to cloud and studied like 8 hours a day for 4 months to land a it engineer role in Azure. The boot camps DO NOT GET YOU JOB READY. If you're into web then please learn a stack Mean Mern Farm All of these are In demand and will land you jobs. Build 4-5 working projects figure out jwt and auth. On free code camp theres a 19 hour build a full functioning API with a DB in postgres and deploy to a docker image FOR FREE fucking unreal. My lesson here is the camps do nothing but teach you to teach yourself just do it on your own.
$18k for a bootcamp is still better than $40k for undergraduate degree. Even worse with $80k debt for a Master's degree. All 3 educational programs still leave a graduate with an average of 6 months to find a job. What is left out in the selling pitch is that tech companies have hiring seasons. Most between January to March.
Wait why wouldn't you think it takes 6 months to get a job? They show u that it takes 6 months to get a job for 85% of people who graduated. They're pretty transparent about it
I attended a Bootcamp after military and would do so again - and I had to pay out of pocket for it bc GI Bill wouldn't cover it, although, that has changed since. It took me a few months to get a job (in 2015) partly because I moved to a new city after graduating, but it was worth it. I love my career. What we don't know about the example in this video is how well the resume was written, how the person came across in interviews, what time of year they graduated...sometimes companies don't always hire all year long. The job market changes and its hard to quantify what personal attributes go into getting a job vs not. Every criticism here could also be said about going to college. $18K is cheap compared to getting a state college degree.
I think there’s a lot to be said still when $18k is merely a fraction of what a formal CS college education costs these days. Yeah of course nothing is better than free or self-taught, but there is still some merit for a fraction of what college costs if it still eventually means you can work in the field.
I’m going self taught to save money and it’s more flexible for me. Full time job, 2 month old, and a slight fishing addiction take up a lot of time. I’m nervous about the job search…
I feel you. I'm also doing self taught going into 2 months so far and with my fiance and I both working full-time and a 10 month baby I only have so much time but I wake up thinking about coding and going to sleep thinking about coding just have to keep chipping at every chance I have to learn. One day at a time!
My brother got a bachelor's in aerospace engineering from Penn State and thought himself how to code and got a job coding without any prior experience in New Jersey right away. He was 21 at the time and fresh out of college.
I will start my Bootcamp in two days. After learning front end by myself, building a portfolio and projects I still did not get a job after over a year of applying. I got a lot of interviews but that's where it always ended. I already lost all my motivation. I know I have maybe to learn more and build better projects. Learn more backend, but since my motivation is lost I decided to join a bootcamp. Also I will switch from Front end to python:)
Trust me you arent the only one. The field isn't as great as everyone makes it out to be. If you already know how to make stuff, consider doing contract work on sites like Upwork. That way you can get paid a little bit and get a bunch of connections
I'm a bootcamp grad. In the past 6 months I've sent nearly 300 apps out and have gotten 5 interviews so far. They all compliment my work but ultimately say they're looking for someone with more work experience.
@@WiFiCashAcademy they all wanted someone with relevant work experience. they liked my personal projects, but ultimately wanted someone who's already worked in the field.
@@wetsand7379 It's been a year now and in the same boat. One company wanted to hire me, had funding issues. Another one said I answered everything well but they want more experience. Have had a few interviews and it pretty much always comes down to nobody wanting someone who doesn't have 2 - 3 yrs experience working as a dev already. I've done bad on one or two interviews but I don't count those. Their interviews were whiteboarding types and yeah, I haven't spent 4 months leet coding and those companies also weren't a faang company so not concerned with that. Reasonable companies that have whiteboarding in the interview or as part don't ask anything crazy, just simple algorithm problems, but some of them think they're google when they aren't haha.
Thank you for this! I think it's great that you think that the self-taught route is best. I was a teacher for plus years, and I'm currently in a software development boot camp that is really good. It's 8 and 1/2 months,with Woz-U The reason I love a boot camp, or at least one that is going to be helpful, is because in order to learn a new skill, most of us need guidance, the structure, people to ask questions to and bounce issues off of. If I had been left to my own devices, I would have quit months ago, when it got difficult. But being able to have tutors and support has been instrumental for me personally. Most people when learning a new skill, need these things in place to overcome their own Self Doubt, and to help them learn.
I have been teaching myself for two years coding while working 60 hours a week . I applied for 800 jobs for 3 months straight I had 60 rejection and one offer.
Kinda crazy how differently we all are studying. I started an online degree about 2 years ago (part time school, full time work) mainly focusing on Java. But I've learned sql, mongodb, Cassandra, Jaba OOP. The degree requires classes such as technical communications, systems analysis, project management, etc. I find it kinda weird I am finally taking algorithms and data structures this coming spring semester and a web development course. My point is everyone will take a different amount of time to learn coding. Enjoy the process while you're at it.
I had 2 offers after bootcamp. My 2 cents... A 4 year degree def isnt necessary ( I had lots of cs grads in my bootcamp), but plays a role as some companies only hire folks with degrees. Self-taught is possible but you lose out on time, valuable info, experience, pair coding(IMPORTANT), team work(IMPORTANT), agile methodologies (IMPORTANT) and networking. Why I chose my bootcamp? Curriculum was great. Career prep was great. Meeting contacts at top companies was priceless. And match-making (students interview with companies) was awesome! If you want a career in tech you will ALWAYS be self teaching. So don't hang your glory on being self taught and saving 15k initially. Pick a really good bootcamp and work your butt off.
I agree you will always be self teaching no matter I did a boot camp for support. The o oh thing I’m worry about is them making me pay for the lowest salary.
I am a self-taught programmer and technician. It took me 18 months to get my first job. There is no such thing as an easy way into the tech field. Everything worth doing is going to require some blood, sweat and tears--and maybe even a bit of self reflection. No, you cannot get a six figure job after a 13 week boot camp. The most reliable pathway to the six figure club is hard work, networking and pounding the pavement--the old fashioned way.
@@dreamy665 this is going to sound rough, but its honest. Put nearly 100 percent of your life's energy into this for a brief period of time, or dont do it at all. This world does not reward procrastinating. Take free, or inexpensive subscription based courses online. Do your research. You have plenty of options and time. Then consider a bootcamp when you are ready to increase your level of difficulty. Then think about nothing but your goals until you make it into the career of your dreams. The money, lifestyle, and satisfaction is worth it in the long term.
@@dreamy665 I dont agree with andrew. I started a bootcamp from Masterschool and I am still doing it and I can tell you that it is worth it. Not even a month into it and I not knowing anything about html, css and javascript at the start of that bootcamp, made a project from scratch, which lets the user create a grid with custom size. After that the user can pick a color and fill individual pieces with the colors he wants. As a little challenge for myself and still before the hard deadline I also added an option to save the color so you can pick it faster later. I said to myself, that I cant believe it that I created that from scratch. My point is, the bootcamp forces you to advance faster than most people can when they try to learn it themself. I dont think I would have had the MINDSET to do that same project even after 4 months of self learning. In my opinion a bootcamp lays a solid FOUNDATION which you can build upon when you have a job, because you will always make mistakes and learn new things in that field. Think about it: do you want to learn with a bootcamp and start a programming carrier, even if it is a mediocre programming job, with a high chance to get a job within a year or do you wanna teach yourself, wasting time, having doubts and possibly at the end not going that route? Once you will have a job it can only go up, you can improve your knowledge at home and the at job while earning money. puh that was long ;D
@@accelerator5524 which bootcamp did you? I think I will try to learn it on my own first, like get the basics then Ill do the bootcamp. I just wish I did IT when I was in highschool.
@@dreamy665 yeah i wish i started with IT when i was younger too. i am doing the bootcamp by masterschool. you dont need to pay any fees, except the entry fee, which was 250€ and only after you get a job in IT, you will need to pay back 10% from your paycheck for max 5 years or if you paid 12.000€ within these 5 years. but they only accept a limited amount of applicants. i think around 50 or so. so to summarize: no financial burden for me. i can save or spend the money i currently earn and i will only have to pay back the fees when i find a job in that field that the bootcamp teaches.
I failed a coding bootcamp... dropped university courses...just landed a job this Monday. It's about how you communicate and represent yourself on your resume and in phone/in person interviews. Just make a good resume, put it on indeed and hit apply now for easy applications.
@@bzchii7474 no I think I was always a good communicator, but for the resume and linkedin stuff, I learned through mimicry and iteration. I just read my resume or profile over and think if I could improve, remove or add one thing, what would it be..and everytime I learn new important skill or language and use in projects, I add it as well.
I payed like 10$ for a bootcamp on udemy, I know its not the same thing a being physically there, but for the price of 10$ it was probably the best investment i ever made and i think it was even better than a real one because it tought me how to teach myself. When I got stuck I didn't have anyone to ask so it forced me to learn how find things on my own. This is one of the best skills a programmer could have, self learning.
Spent a year and a half without finding a job after boot camp only to get a job in IT as soon as I changed my resume and focused on IT. My starting pay is significantly more than my colleagues that has a software engineer job.
@@Jorsten I was focusing on trying to get a front end developer position, until I decided to transition into IT. As soon as I marked on my resume "currently studying CompTia A+ certification" I received a ton of calls for interviews with 2 offers.
@@pete_99 I am a software analyst at the company I am at. When a hardware technician arrives at a restaurant, they will call my department to perform whatever project they are assigned to. Right now our main project is making sure the software is fully operational after they replace the restaurant's network. There are some small projects I'll get every so often, but this is the current main project.
Everyone learns differently. I feel that coding can’t be taught through lectures but its a learned skill through practice. I personally gave up coding at 14 and I’m 36 now, reteaching myself. I guess everyone learns differently. Plus the old saying goes, “if its too good to be true, odds are its too good to be true.”
I am a self taught FE that studied for 8 months before jumping into the job market. Recruiters were breaking down my door when I posted my resume to get my first job. 2 weeks, 4 interviews, 2 offers. One was from a fortune 500. Go pick up a real contract or two and build a few sites with a modern framework. Say you did it for your own company, and put literally everything you did for those projects on your resume. It's all about how you structure your resume. Don't post the wrong resume. Recruiters take snapshots and drop them into a searchable database, then rarely update.
Hi, Thanks for sharing your success story. May I know how did you do it? What was the thing u did that was different from other people? I think a lot of people can benefit from your experience and knowledge ☺️
I'm doing a 31-week program with Merit America. I only pay them 8k if I get a 50k job six months after graduation. I have technical coaches and a career coach that does resume and portfolio building, mock interviews, recruiter meetings, etc. It's been challenging. I think for a Bootcamp style of learning, it's worth it. If I fail out, or can't find a job, I don't owe them a penny.
Some self learning online training platforms do includes training boot camps. Its probably best to avoid the boot camp portion all together and just take the training courses and Labs on your own. You don't need a degree to work in IT since you are going end up starting out at the Help Desk before moving up. You can utilize that time to study for certs and job shadow. For developers, they just need to build a project portfolio.
I attended App Academy and the CEO told us TO OUR FACES that the certificate we were going to get from graduating the boot camp was useless and that if we don't actually learn and put the work in we're making a huge mistake. I think it woke some people up, ha.
In other words its a waste of time and money. We be better off learning data structers and sellkng ournown apps independently. Once we have a few apply for a job if we still want to worm for somebody else. I honestly, I feel this way about Degrees as well. My reason for going back to school is soley to increase my credientials thats one thing college can do that a boot camp cant.
I had a friend who decided to do boot camp after struggling what to do with his career. I grabbed a collage degree…and from what I saw.. boot camps are only for people who are truly interested in learning IT and want it as a career. If you think it’s a quick career change to get a job quickly, it’s going to be a waste of money for you
You want to hear a way better story? I live in Mexico, have a masters in computer science, in the moment I had 0 working experience (though I was selling it as the master was indeed experience), and was applying to 5-10 jobs a day and it also took me 6 months in the end I only managed to have 20 enterviews, now I have a fairly good paying job at least to Mexico standards so at least my story has a happy ending. Not saying that her history is lame or anything I do hope some day the job market gets better for people entering the job force. But this seemed like a good place to share my own story.
I’m not a fan of wasting money for stuff like College, bootcamps etc with no guarantees. I joined a free program where they taught Java programming (which I already knew being self-taught) for 6 months and they give you an internship at a Fortune 500 company for 6 months guaranteed. I ended up being top of my class and getting a internship at Equifax. They decided to hire me full-time. Was there for 3 years. Started as a product support engineer, changes in the company changed my position to an SRE. Left to join my current company making six figures. All with NO DEGREE. Going back to school starting March 1st but my company will essentially be paying for it.
The only one I'm thinking about doing is nucamp. It seems better than a lot of them. The 22 week course is $1800. The 11 month course is like 4 grand. I've learned some basics myself but they have a weekly meet ups in my city for the classes and it would be nice to meet some other developers.
I got a 4 year computer science degree. It took me nearly 6 months to get a well paying software engineering position after college. I had a personal portfolio and was grinding LeetCode/Algo Expert daily for about 3 months after graduation. I was admittedly doing other activities for money at the time and not applying for jobs that frequently. Eventually I landed 3 offers and a sign on bonus for 2 of the offers. I had around 15 rejections after college before getting my first offer. It can definitely be a struggle to land that first position bootcamp, college, or self taught. Just hang in there anyone trying because you can make it. Word of advice though - learn a lot about data structures. At least at my job I use tree structures, queues, recursion, and dictionary/hash maps on an almost daily basis. I say this because my college degree did not teach much about implementing these topics and most of the projects in college did not require them. Luckily Leet Code, Algo Expert, and other services do teach about writing solutions with topics like these though. Also learn about databases as that topic comes up more than you may think.
There are bootcamps that are trying to do it the right way, like ours (Nucamp), but are rarely showcased compared to the more mainstream and cash-grabbing ones. Too bad.
My friends who either took nucamp classes or taught it were pretty unimpressed with nucamp though. Do they at least incorporate git flow into their curriculum now?
6 months is not that bad for only 16 weeks tbh.. there’s people self learning that can’t get a job after 2 years. But idk, I hate programming. I only know about my friends which are 3 that self taught themselves and only 2 god jobs after all that times
I kind of agree with this video, but my experience was different. I did the bootcamp in one day and got a job the day after. A total of two days to go from unemployed to making $180k + bonus at Facebook.
I subscribed for simply keeping it real! Thanks a bunch. At the end of the day, tech companies want to see your work! Sure, a certificate or a degree is nice but that isn’t the meat of your skill set.
A friend of mine did HackReactor and got a job with 2 months of finishing it. Some people are lucky, some get shafted. Because he got a job, I damn near pulled the trigger, then I did my research and realized it's basically equivalent to being self taught, the only difference is you have a mentor from the bootcamp
The comments here are an eye-opener. It's shocking that job candidates are sending out 300+ applications for a job in Software development? Is this a case of supply of workers being significantly greater than the demand for workers? It doesn't make any sense. So many companies have Software Development and Coding positions open. I just looked at the website for a company called Merkel. They have at least 200 coding positions open. Are candidates perhaps not searching in the right place? Are companies hiring overseas workers instead? What's really going on? Something doesn't add up..........
There's nothing here that doesn't make sense. It makes perfect sense. The market is only hot for mid-senior level positions. Junior dev positions receive HUNDREDS of applications. What do you think the odds are of a recruiter even taking a peek at a noob resume? To get your foot into the door, you have no choice but to play the numbers game.
@@snoudoubts1745 Yep, it's even harsher for IT I think. I have almost 8 years experience in IT and have sent out 150 applications in the past 2 months. So far I got about 7 responses which led to 4 interviews in total and 2 offers...
Now I know, I also paid the same, but I knew from the beginning that it will be impossible to get a job with only one month of everything (maybe I wanted to learn more), imagine getting a job with just 1 month of javascript, 1 month react, node , mongo, express jaja and call yourself a full stack dev :D
What are your thoughts on coding bootcamps? Let me know in the comments!
how i8s that any different from college tuition lol haha. so it every other educational system in the world. there to make money.. but Dapp university and Hackathons are way better and cheaper.
I attended one, in my country there are some 6 month bootcamps. The difference is that for me it was completely free and after I finished got a job in 2 weeks from a company that is in a partnership with the school, so they had very realistic expectations with me. Overall for me this was a great experience and I love my job.
I think there is a factor that could be missed on this too. And that is how did she sell herself to the employers. Yea she did bootcamp yea she did all those applications yea she when to a ton of interviews. But how did she sell herself in those interviews. Just because you do applications and go to interviews you have to sell yourself like a product. Plus what is her previous employment history. Has she had a lot of jobs in a short period of time in the past. These are things to keep in mind. Just saying.
I have a hard time finding solid data about the success rates of these boot camps. Almost as if by design.
Why don’t tech companies design their own boot camps?
Total waste of money literally a belligerent rip off .. all I learned in Boot Camp was terminologies and git hub .. Everything else is self thought .. top best computer science programs are Udemy Colt Steele and Full Sail University.. hands down these people are a blessing
I'm a self-taught developer. It took me 319 job applications, to get 4 interviews and 1 offer. From the moment I started to study until I get my job, it took me 18 months and probably I didn't spend more than 2 grand between my laptop and udemy courses. I'm glad I followed this route!
It's the best way to go! Problem is that most people don't want to put in the work and want the "easy" way in. That's why they sign up for the 13-week 6 figure job boot camp. Honestly coding bootcamps are just a software development get rich quick scheme..
@@DorianDevelops That's just not true Dorian and a bit insulting to students of coding bootcamps. A lot of people want to put in the work and would rather be self-taught developers. Who wouldn't want to learn from home and pay close to $0, and still get the skills and the better job at the end. But learning on your own requires a good amount of self-confidence and motivation that is often hard to come by when you're already working a job that you don't like, or when you are stuck on a bug and can't get the help, when you wonder if you are good enough to learn to code etc... That's why ~95% of self-taught developers bail (lookup online learning completion rates), not because they're lazy and looking for shortcuts.
@@ludovicf Im going through the same. Bank teller for the past 13 years with no other skill but counting currency bills I decided to learn coding to switch my career but it's been almost two years and I still feel like Im not 100% proficient in html and css.. and now with a family and a full day job I'm finding it really really hard to practice code and succeed in it. 😢
@@sarfraznawaz7248You can do it! I was stocking shelves at a grocery store, working overnight. I always felt I wasn't ready, but I was still applying for jobs. I showed my company that I didn't know much, but I would give my all to succeed. They believed in me, and it's been 4 months since I literally doubled my salary, and I couldn't be happier!!! Keep studying, keep applying for jobs, you will have your chance to prove you deserve to be in this career!
You are a motivation brother!
I took a bootcamp because being self taught wasn't working out for me unfortunately... What the bootcamp really help me do is see the bigger picture in terms of what I was learning. It gave me the structure and direction I needed to learn what I needed to become a software developer. Thats just my experience though, if you're disciplined enough to be self taught then by all means go in that direction.
Are you working as a dev now?
I got a scholarship for mine so I didn't pay a red cent
@@juliangonzales1169 Going to press a huge "X" on doubt. Because if you don't have the discipline to learn on your own... an actual programmer job is going to destroy you.
Unless the company wanted a $9/hr code monkey.... then he can just buy a manual on algorithms.
That’s how the boot camp did me for a plus I didn’t even get that cert just went for Ccna
Which bootcamp did you go too?
10% of jobs that she applied too gave her an interview. That's not bad.
Yup that’s pretty good tbh
That was what i was thinking… is not about being in a bootcamp or not, what matters is what the company will see on you. Probably she had troubles in the interview
@KK my thoughts exactly
@@LeonnardoNascimento Totally agree with you. As a senior software engineer I do participate in interviewing people time to time. It's funny that people who took the boot camp have fantastic resume where we do interview them. We ask them simple concepts, most of them do not have that approach that we simply have to put down.
@@min-k2689 that makes totally sense because the bootcamp helped me a lot to get at least an experience in how to do almost everything but unfortunately they dont go deep about the concepts especially with most basic things like css grids, what is oop, crud...
That makes me feel kinda bad because even graduating i still feel i need more things to be at least accepted in a good company.
I got a 4 year degree in CS and landed a six-figure salary in an average cost of living metropolitan area 7 months before graduation. Although school gave me a well rounded education, when it came to the job hunt, personal projects outside of school are what will land you a job. Even traditional CS students are naive to believe that a degree will automatically land them a job. I know people who go into these bootcamps without ever having expressed an interest in coding, thinking they’ll land a 6-figure salary after completing the program. No matter which route you take, - university, boot camp or self-taught - if you don’t have an interest in coding or a strong drive, you won’t make it. Also, lower your salary expectations, and if you don’t, then work hard and avoid anything trying to pay you under $60K.
Graduated this spring. My 4 years college literally had a single class on html css js, and it was an elective. Top 30 college too. So many of my peers are totally fucked in the job market right now because they literally can't even code a website front or back end and only know whatever stupid Java and C projects the core classes gave them
@@engineerepixlele2845 ow....literally me right now lol. I'm teaching myself how to make websites now and its going slowly lol
@@engineerepixlele2845 yeahhh I feel that. I only have C projects to show for my time in uni before I dropped :(
You sound like a successful guy my dude. I am going to say you earned your way into the big daddy jobs.
In reality employers cares more about experience and whether you can acutally do the job than a college degree. The same applies to the IT field as you don't need a degree to work in IT as you are gling to end up starting out at the Help Desk before moving up as a Network Engineer or Systems Administrator. I've been working in IT myself without a college degree since 2012 and I'm actually a college drop out that went from studying CompSci to Network and Systems Administration. I had a home lab ready running 4 servers which then turned into a paid gig of me designing and deploying a business Network infrastructure and server for a small business. Hell Edward Snowden didn't have a college degree either that worked as a government contractor in varies of IT roles such as a Systems Administrator. All he had was a Security clearance.
I’ve chosen the Bootcamp route not because of the pipe dreams . I know from experience in my current field you have to grind to get a job. I choose Bootcamp because I need to structure. I tried the self taught route and I just didn’t have the drive/discipline to be consistent in my learning.
She had 40 interviews in those 6 months though so it wasn't the fault of the bootcamp. You still have to pass the interviews so in this case it was probably her
I get your point, but some people aren't good at selling themselves or speaking about their work, therefore, they will find it difficult to do interviews. It doesn't mean she is not capable of doing the job.
Yea. The problem is they want us to be good programmers and masters at the coding interview which is two different skills.
I agree. I went to the same bootcamp as her and it only took me 3 interviews before I got an offer. Our career coach collected data on all his grads and found it took something like 6 interviews for the average grad to get their first offer.
I wonder if there's an issue with the way she's counting interviews as well. Did she interview with 40 companies or did she do 3-4 interviews each with 10-12 companies? I interviewed with only 3 companies, but I could say it took my 9 interviews or 30+ if I count phone screens from various companies and recruiters.
My thoughts
@@ImTheBatchMan hmmm interesting point
They're great if you need that kind of learning structure. I needed the structure, social accountability, and something external to drive me to study after a long day of work. I wasn't the first to get a job, but got 2 job offers 2 months later. They definitely don't guarantee a job, and it was especially hard to get a job during covid due to hiring freezes.
Im in a similar situation as you, i need structure. Which bootcamp did you do?
I took a 5 month bootcamp, working my ass off 12+ hours per day. After ending it I kept on studying that way, applying for at least 10 companies each day. I got a job after a month and a half. EDIT: I'm now getting job offers basically every day. Oh, I got trained on how to sell myself and I have over 10 years of experience in communication, I think that was what helped me the most, more than knowing how to code or having a nice portfolio.
Can you elaborate on your communication skills getting you a job? That would be super helpful for us trying to get our first job. Thanks bro!
Any hints would be greatly appreciated!
so what kind of work are you doing now?
@@adjeteysowah3895 frontend dev for a big company, full time.
@@danieltkach2330 man congratulations ! what bootcamp did you take?
Great video - I believe that coding is inherently self-taught. It is an advanced skill that requires active ingestion of new concepts and focused practice on a routine basis. Bootcamps can be perhaps a valuable intro to the concepts of coding, but it is going to require focused outside effort from the student to achieve even basic competency.
the funny thing is the comp sci majors still have to do a lot of self-learning to learn things like github and react.
I went to a bootcamp for 6 months called App Academy and just like college you have to be proactive during and after. Took me a month after to land a 90k start up job which I had for a couple months which landed me at where I'm currently making almost 200k. I probably applied to 500 jobs and had only a couple respond. I plan on making twice that much in 2 years so for me a bootcamp help get the ball rolling but there are people in that bootcamp that didn't really amount to anything so it's definitely up to the individual.
Did u have degree befor entering because I think that’s what helped u bootcamp graduate without degree can’t make thta much money in first job they get
I need to add here that familiarity is a big part of the process. Boot camp gave me both the familiarity with fundamental software concepts, and some fantastic career support. While I think that I could have gotten here eventually on my own, it certainly accelerated the process. I have a job now, and it took about 6 months from the start of boot camp. I think going for the cheapest one that has structure would probably be a nice compromise for a lot of people. Also on the job search front, between me and my colleagues, anywhere from 200 to 500 applications was very normal; some students were doing 10-20 applications a day, and a lot of us got jobs pretty fast. So the 2 applications per day would be pretty slow in the whole scheme of things.
Which bootcamp did you attend?
Yeah which school did u go too, and what curriculum did u choose( front end or back end/ languages )
I went to Coding Temple, an online camp that teaches Python and web tech stack stuff, a pretty nice mix with lots of practice and personal attention. Best part was the career support though.
I just graduated from General Assembly last month and they were pretty transparent about the hunt. It was gonna be rough, but you get out of it what you put into it. People who expect to receive a golden ticket of some sort are only kidding themselves.
I do think they're overpriced, but the structure and teaching was still really great. Personally, I'd definitely do it again if I had the choice, but I think the people who spend 6+ months searching aren't being proactive applicants who are networking and adjusting their resumes and building their portfolios after graduating. If you're applying to every job with the same resume, a github link with 0 contributions since graduation, and a portfolio with semi-refined work?? Probably not gonna get that job.
Idk. Just seems like the popular thing to do is hate on bootcamps when I do feel like they contribute a lot to getting people involved in coding. Overpriced? Sure, but so is college. Some people just need the structure, and if they're okay with paying the price for it, then I don't see why it's such an issue.
Thanks for feedback.
Saying you only get out of it what you put into it is the biggest copout in the book. Often you need to exceed what you would get in order to reach your goals.
@@raventhorX it was meant as a general statement, not so literally. It’s A LOT of work, so people who put 0 extra effort into their skills, portfolio, resume, etc. most likely aren’t gonna get a job. That’s the point.
@@roxieetc your statement stating that "people who put 0 EXTRA effort into their skills, portfolio, resume, etc" right there already proves my point. If I get out of it what I put into it why is the an "extra" in the first place. That by itself already implies you need to put more into it then what you get out.
@@raventhorX I mean, take what you want out of what I said, I guess. I’m not gonna argue semantics lol
I think finding a mentor and going the self-taught route is perfectly fine. Unless the price isn't an issue for you. That price might give people the motivation they need to push themselves. I also wouldn't jump into a bootcamp without at least knowing the fundamentals of programming.
Here's the thing many bootcamps actually require you to finish a preparation course which is basically the fundamentals of programming. So you actually can't get in to some of these programs without actually knowing how to program.
What are the fundamentals of programming?
@@joeybean8669functions, conditionals, loops, pointers, scope, and modules.
@@joeybean8669 and data structures. Forgot that one
Boot camps definitely can land you a job. Just don’t go in expecting to work at a FAANG unless you really have some exceptional stuff on your portfolio.
I went to bootcamp and it was great experience. In my country it is quite affordable 3.5 half months full time study for aproximately equivalent 3 months salary. It took me three months to land first job, because most employers wasnt exited to hire 30 years old junior. But I make it through and now recruiters and companies comes to me and asking for my services :-).
This video both give me hope and a sense of greater fear and jeopardy for having it worse.
I'm on my 3rd year in university doing CS. And not performing nearly as much in standards.
I've already given up A LOT of good chunk of time trying to learn like crazy, from day to night doing mathematics and code every other minute. It made me frail and insane almost despising being human and such.
Now I have serious tons of catching up.
Me too :(
Finishing up my MS in Software Engineering. As any software engineer knows, school/courses are not enough. The reason I rocketed up the ladder after my BS in Software Engineering was because of my display of side projects. Almost every single one of my offers noted one of two things. Independence to construct and follow through with ideas and implementation. OR... Elicitation of requirements and client-facing manner reflects good translation of from low level concepts to easy to understand pieces.
As an example, Amazon (whom I do not work for) reached out to me during one of my "exploring my options" phases, because they saw one of my side projects I had done and were impressed with it. More side projects, especially in different languages/frameworks, shows your ability to adapt and learn quickly. That's probably the advice I give everyone getting into software... And if you're not passionate about software... This isn't the field for you. It's not a quick buck or an easy out. There's a good reason the software industry has an insanely high burnout rate.
Though I agree with you, I just think companies just dont want to train or mentor people anymore. I feel like I am gambling every time I applied. I am back in School and at the same time working on my own Software LLC due to the Job hunt being like it is.
@@computernerd8157 genuine question: why would they train you? they need working individuals, right?
@@nikhilchauhan7511 in the same breath why invest in them when they wont invest in you? Most other profession have some sort of training after you have a foundation. Nures, plumbers and auto mechanics. After you build your own portfolio and you excel in it, a person can just work for themselves and cut the middle man and make all the money. Besides that companies need to be honest and say they only veterans.
@@nikhilchauhan7511 To answer the question directly, I have a good foundation that my Associste Degree In Information Tech provided. Data Structers, Algorithm anayalis and more. That should be enough to accomplish any programming task. I get exprience in the field is better but they are not giving you that chance. You litterally have to work for yourself and then apply. If you do this, their is a good chance you could just work for yourself and be better off. Even if one does work for these companies they should not expect company loyalty because they do not invest in you in the slightest and that why they should at least train developers with a good foundation if they are going to expect company loyalty. Since they don't, then employees should just work for a paycheck with side hustle for job security. Framworks come and go but the foundation is forever.
What the "wow took her 6 months!" Doesn't factor in is the bootcamp was only 3 months. She got a job in 9 months!!!
College grads have to wait 4 years and spend much more money.
One commenter wrote it took him 18 months being self taught which means he lost more money in potential wages than the cost of the bootcamp.
This isn't the anti-bootcamp stance you think it is lol
I am against boot camps becsuse they prepare you for one job within Tech. A college degree prepares you for a varitey od Jobs within tech. Lets say I dont become a developer, I havr training in database while my bootcamp equivliant only knows one specific form of development. A Degree Cost more because I am learing so much more. In the end neither will guartee you a job but college leaves you better off if you do not go in massive debt otherwise uou fucked yourself with college.
To recap: College teaches a varitey of skills in tech bott camps do not. Major Negative for College is possible is massive debt.
@@computernerd8157 A college degree is infinitely more expensive these days because of all of the unnecessary added bullshit gen ed courses you don't even need that don't apply to your major whatsoever. Great if you want to get into the same IT field as some bootcamp grad after you've spent 4 years learning it and they spent 6 months so be it. Not everyone wants to go back to college for another degree if they can avoid it, student loan prices are bananas.
@@CaptTragedy Yeah, if you have something you're passionate about learning you're probably better off enrolling to an online university in a country that's more reasonable about building curriculums (e.g. the ~7k USD per year tuition UK Open University, where a BSc/BA is only 3 years and a master's is 1)
@@CaptTragedy A College Degree even at a 2 year level Associate is still more valuable then a boot camp and is affordable. Companies still insist on a 4 year degree for the most part. Look for a State Unversity Like I am doing. Mines still cost alot but its way cheaper then most. I still stand by what I said. Looking at what I am learning comparing to a boot camp. I can apply it to all types of Software Development and not just web or mobile for that matter.
Overall, School does not make a good developer dedcation and passion does. I would personally Hire anybody that went to a boot camp or self taught if I can get my LLC profitable.
@@computernerd8157 Most tech jobs you can by away with out the need of a degree since most employers cares more about experience and whether if you can acutally perform the job. This is esp true in the IT field thats very heavily experience driven. With online training platforms with little over head, you self teach yourself just about anything. A degree won't guarantee you a job without experience or a project portfolio. There's a lot of self taught Database Administrators out there. I've been working in the IT industry since 2012 without a college degree in varies of roles.
I can relate to this video, because it took me 4 months after completing my 17K boot camp to get hired, and the pay wasn't good either. What's funny is that a lot of my cohorts ended up not getting a job in IT when I checked up on them a year later.
Was it worth it for you? I have an option to apply for a CS degree for free or do a boot camp out of pocket.
@@Maria-xd8yc This is a no brainer, CS degree. You will still need to put the work on both but with the degree you are not bound to only one type of tech job but several.
All depends on what job you are applying to. You generally don't need a degree at all to work in IT esp in Support roles and Operations/Infrastructure roles like a Network Engineer or Systems Administrator since those roles are based on having experience and certs that build on as you grow. Software development you just have to build a project portfolio as a way of displaying experience.
17k? That's a schmuck move
@@Maria-xd8yc Not getting a free college degree is batshit mentally damaged insane. If you want instead, try being Jokers right hand man and join The Suicide Squad. AT LEAST try this. Don't worry on general credits grades and use that spare time to network in your area and always meet new people and go on hackathons or just try to find places to hang out and learn skills. If you still cannot get a job after graduation, THEN bootcamp. With networking with people + CS Degree + bootcamp that is 100% chance at getting job in first 3 DAYS not months.
yeah I've been very critical of bootcamps because they never give you the car fax of those "prodigy" students.
I'll make one correction. I'm a bootcamp grad from General Assembly as of 3 days after you posted this video. I just wanted to address the ISA terms, because I'm also bound to an ISA with them.
It's a 4 year, not 8 year agreement, and they charge an additional 50% tuition as interest across the 4 years. You're in deferment for the first 6 months post graduation, and after that, you have to provide income documentation. If you're above 40k a year, you'll be obligated to pay 10% of your income per month until you've either paid the 23,000 dollars or 48 months, whichever comes first.
That's all the negative stuff. But the upside is, if you're unemployed, or you take a job in your old industry that doesn't break that 40k mark, you remain in deferment. If you remain in deferment for 54 months (the 6 month post grad + the 48 month agreement) then your debt is forgiven entirely.
Obviously not having a job in software for almost 5 years post graduation after putting in all that time and effort to learn a new trade would suck, but at least you won't owe them any money.
I will say I got lucky graduating from my bootcamp and had offers within 60 days. I was self taught before I joined so i already had a good foundation but I think it would have taken me probably another 6 months to get to where I was after graduating and recruiters did really seem to like having my bootcamp on my linkedin.
What boot camp was this
I appreciate this video. And it's crazy cause I just started app Academy's free self taught boot camp. I was pretty worried about dropping 20k on their normal program which led me to just try and self teach. So far so good. And can't beat free.
I am currently attending a boot camp for software engineering, and very early on I realized that these boot camps will teach you the bare minimum to get in the door at an entry level position. Everything else definitely has to be self taught. I’m not complaining about the boot camp at all, but I am aware of the limitations and try to make up for it by studying/research after I do my coursework. I am actually very happy with the experience, and I’m glad I decided to take on this journey because I definitely do not have the discipline to teach myself any of these concepts.
Which boot camp did you attend and were you able to land a job yet?
@@MrZealot11 Thinkful Bootcamp. I admit I haven't been submitting applications the way I should be, but I landed an offer from this one company, trouble is they only want a part-time/back-up. I'll accept the job but will still submit applications weekly until I land a full-time position somewhere.
Honestly, jobs are all about who you know. I’ve yet to fill out an application for a job I’ve held. To get my first job a couple years ago, I applied to 25 places a week, but did start before I graduated college. Bootcamps are cool, but I think using free websites are just as good
I have a cs degree out of ucla and I go through several hundreds of rejections, not to mention several hundred others ghosting me.
most of those interviews took all day, from white-boarding, to being asked questions by 2 or 3 managers & tech leads. Many people think its easy, its not and I have a cs degree.
Jheez, where are you pocated
I'm in the same situation. Someone told me I should have picked a career in health care since it's easier to get a job but they just don't know it's hard for us to get the first job.
@@naomirodriguez9638 Yeah nursing can be a little overrated, still people have to work very hard to get that first job. Once you prove yourself you will be OFFERED jobs. Go from job offers to offered jobs. haha that's a good line.
2:45: well it's going to be what you put into it too. Assuming that money is going to buy you a skill is nonsense. Too many variable here like did she grind day in and dya out trying to improve.
Simply attending a bootcamp doesn't mean anything or even graduating from one. We all have different starting abilities and different drive.
A self-taught programmer who grinds and has passion for the process...let me just say that 40 interviews and getting 2 offers means she was probably failing coding challenges at the interviews which is ok but also not the responsibility of the bootcamp.
I 100% agree with you but when someone signs up to an $18000 bootcamps they probably assume that's going to be enough for them to get a job. And I think that the bootcamps should be held accountable in that regard because many of them market their program as a fast track to getting "job ready".
Coding in a whole is self taught requires extreme discipline not to get distracted takes endless amounts of time and patience. People will troll because they don't like the harsh truth and reality.
I attended a $10,000 bootcamp (which is on the low end for bootcamp tuitions) and am not sure if I would have done it if it cost much more than that. My bootcamp was pretty up front through the whole process that the bootcamp was not the golden ticket to land a job and was pretty realistic about the job application process. All told, the $10,000 to have the structure, the resources, and the skills learned from the collaborative environment that you can’t get when being self-taught was worth it. I was offered a job 3 months after graduating. Landing a job is largely about making connections outside of just submitting the application, but there is a little bit of luck involved with that as well. Spending money on a bootcamp is going to depend on the person. If someone is considering a bootcamp, I recommend going through a bootcamp offered through a university since those are often cheaper.
What was the bootcamp?
Yup it’s no longer what it used to be. There’s more saturation and competition now than before. Either way-self taught or not, it just depends on how good you are and who’s interviewing you
Bootcamp was 12k. Applied to 50 places, 3 interviews and 1 offer. Making 50k doing Shopify sites at an agency.
50k is what I make at the warehouse im trying to get out of 🥴
@@Myaliciousss i was making 100k as a producer and self-employed. Starting over is a hard pill to swallow
@@devine_noise it is, I’m sorry I didn’t mean to come off snarky or anything. My job is offering this coding bootcamp and I will be reimbursed when completed. Want it to be worth it
@@Myaliciousss it'll be worth it. I'm going to work where I'm at for a year and learn a bunch and then go for a 20% jump.
The same thing has been happening for years in the trucking industry. Schools giving someone a few weeks of “training” but you have to spend years paying them back $$$.
A lot of evil people out there willing to take advantage of the naive.
I went to AA, have been rejected 751 times. I’m on the final round for an interview now with this new job, so hopefully that works. But 300 rejections are rookie numbers LOL. Good for her though!
Good luck! I made it to the early 700s before I got my offer.
@@ImTheBatchMan Congrats! Yeah job search isn't easy. My coach would always tell me, "the grand canyon wasn't made by unbelievably powerful water, it was made by water that never stopped." Got me through a lot of the hard days.
Good luck I hope you get the job! I graduated with a bachelors in cs last year and got a job in 3 months as a project manager for a small company. Not exactly what I want to do but I took any opportunity they offered and pay is no where good enough to be living comfortably in southern California. I have decent experience now just need to look for a better job. Will continue practicing since this position made me rusty. Good luck to everyone!
@@emanuelcarmona9930 Good luck to you too! Being a project manager and not being able to live comfortably is a robbery. Hope you start getting paid what you're worth!
@@ImTheBatchMan @Emanuel Carmona I don't know if it was your guys well wishes or a gift from a higher power, but this week I got a response from Google to fly out to north carolina for an on-site interview. Literally cried reading that email. All the hard work was worth it in the end I guess. I hope you guys have a great year. Thanks for the well wishes.
Yeah this is so true. My coding bootcamp advertised I could get a job in 3 months when in reality it took a year for me to get hired finally at a 60k contract position. During that 1 year span I still had to work part-time at my other job, study Algorithms and data structures, build side projects, and volunteer my programming services to gain software development experience. 😅
It depends on the person and the luck. My friend graduated with a chemistry degree in UMD and then went to an Android bootcamp, then landed a 90k for his first job, and 130k in his second. He doesn't have a CS degree. He is a rare case though. A lot of effort and luck
It took me almost a year, and I am still happy about the decision because it was an alternative, and at that the best learning experience i had ever. It’s not just about a job. 6 months is not the worst - there are people not getting one and giving up.
Also, bootcamp is what you make it - it’s all about the attitude. And even 6 months is nothing compared to a full on degree. Even if the degree is worth it - some adults don’t have the 3 years of time and need to earn money and don’t have the drive or confidence to self teach everything.
I went through Lambda School in 2018-2019. It was a 24 month ISA at the time which imo isn't that bad. The school was great for 2/3s of the course, but after the lack of communication was really nerve racking. I didn't apply to jobs every day so most of the blame is on myself for sure but they really didn't help much at all in that department. I did end up getting lucky after a year of job searching with the connections I made in Lambda School however and landed a remote job making decent money like you were mentioning. I couldn't be happier with where I am now, but if I wasn't so lucky I might recommend getting a traditional degree or doing self taught. I am currently helping my friends out because I already went through this process and I know how hard it can be.
So the lambda connections they have with companies didn't help at all? I thought they have recruiters to help with the interviews! Did they really help with the 50kyear promise they say
@@lokokrz.gaming in a way it did help, but I didn't go through their system to get a job, my company just hired a bunch of people from Lambda School and my friend recommended me
I feel like I also know everything you said about boot camps, finding a job, starting salaries, and having to work hard outside of the program itself in the last three days of research I’ve done, but I find it all incredibly positive to be able to change one’s life circumstance through hard work and what amounts to a bargain when comparing the comparable cost of attending a college to get a degree for a similar end result. Self study is also a great option, but without direction can take even longer.
I took a couple years out of school & decided to go back to school for Software engineering, instead of coming out of pocket for a coding bootcamp. I went back to school & my job which pays for my certificate & tuition. I have, no out of picket expenses. It takes up to 10 months for a freshman. I had this plan mapped out to save money because bootcamps are expensive & I refused to take out a loan. So check your colleges & surrounding areas. You may even be eligible to get a IT certificate through a state funded program if you get government assistance. Even financial aid will cover a certificate if your college has the certificate built into your degree, which most of the time they do. Not that you have to get a degree but I really want mine so there u go. I wanted to educate people on this bcus I haven’t seen anybody talking about this avenue!
I saw this same post and wondered why this happened. I know a bunch of people who have done bootcamps and no one I know took longer than 3 months to find their first job. My personal job search after bootcamp (Springboard) was 3 and a half weeks. A number of others in my cohort had jobs before they finished the program. I applied only in the evenings (was working full time) so I am not sure how someone spending 8 hours a day applying and getting 40 interviews would only end up with 2 offers. Maybe she wasn't quite ready for her technical interviews or something. My bootcamp was remote, cost me $7000, and offers a money back guarantee if you don't get a 50k+ job within 6 months.
What boot camp is that if it is OK to share?
What school is this?
@@ymccarter1 he wrote it. its called springboard
@@stkbloc9717 he wrote it in the description. its called springboard
So she got 40 interviews in 6 months, which means she was interviewed every 4.5 days. That's actually not bad. It just means that she wasn't dling well on those interviews.
I wanna thank you for your honesty man. I enjoy your videos and they're really helping me. We half similar backgrounds and your a real encouragement thanks for taking the time to make these videos.
2 years ago someone I know quit their day job and went on a 3-month boot camp. I don't know what worked in her case but employers were knocking on her door, within a month she had several job offers
@Hoang Le she might be because 6 months after getting her first job as a dev she was promoted to a team leader. To be honest she might be an exception because before all this she worked 2 part time jobs while doing her master's in 2 foreign languages and graduated with honours.
@@unicornishcornish is she attractive?
@@ismailah4576 l'd say she's an average looking girl. But what does that have to do with anything?
Thanks for saying this. I went to a boot camp and was one of those lucky few who landed the pipe dream after just 10 applications. I was irritated with the boot camp already at that point, feeling I could have self taught, because that’s what I did: All of the content was online, available on GitHub. The reason I landed the pipe dream job was because I: 1. Had an existing network and existing professional work experience, 2. studied extensively beyond the scope of our program and continued to do so following graduation, and 3. Was on that leetcode grind the entire bootcamp because my own personal network had stressed the importance of DSA practice to me before I even started.
That isn’t the experience of nearly 75% of the people in my cohort. I should have listened to advice that I could self teach but fell for the networking bs. Instead, the bootcamp’s “networking” was setting students up with companies like Revature. 🙃
I denied the bootcamp to be able to use my name in promotional materials- I am not their average student and I have no intention of being used to sell a lie.
If you really want to do this, I promise you don’t need to pay 15k+ for a bootcamp. If you need career help, pay a career coach for some sessions and get a professional resume review. Do a practice technical interview on skilled inc. All of that would cost you less than 1k and give the same results!
Was your first role as a software developer, front end or back end?
@@dj_hereSoftware Engineer, backend focused but technically fullstack
In my cohort i only know one person who didnt get a job before graduation or shortly after. but he ended up getting on with jp morgan maybe 4 months later. Pick your bootcamp wisely!!!
@@SheBeCodingSht what boot camp did you attend?
@@nae1300 Tech Elevator (remote campus). Oh, but what she said about leetcode was 100%.
I always thought that both college and coding bootcamps are a total rip off. Lots of people have this mindset that spending lots of money on education somehow is like buying a golden ticket and a red carpet will roll out for you. It really all comes down to you being absolutely 100% into what you're doing and doing outstanding work over a long period of time to perfect and master your craft. Nobody is going to do it for you.
agreed. bootcamps and college outline your learning and give you a path but you practically learn it on your owns anyways. so look up the curriculum and copy it
College is a good way to introduce you what you need to look for. It’s does nothing to introduce you to how real work will be.
You can't teach people how to code. You can only show them examples.
That's what those calculus and discrete mathematics courses are for.
if you want solutions like a code monkey, they already have code interpreters for that, and it's by far much cheaper than a $9/hr code monkey.
Tuition is $8000 a year for the best college in my state. But with a few scholarships and finacial aid you can make it nothing. Scholarships for CS is also easier too. Its what I did.
@@AJ213Probably sounds like the school I went to...
there's a NSF scholarship for Computer Engineering, and it's 150,000 for 4 years.
So essentially... you're PAID to get it.
Man! You have got to be one of the realest TH-camrs I have ever watched. I think everyone that is starting out in learning to code should tune into your content so we can easily identify the trickery these boot camps and bs YTbers are selling.
Thank you bro!
I'll stick with TH-cam videos and teaching myself.
The going is slow and sometimes frustrating, but I don't have that type of money to toss to some "school".
If I end up getting a Web Dev job, great, if I don't at least I learned a new skill.
Bootcamps are a good route if you have the money or okay with going into debt and if you learn better with others in a structured environment.
I like learning at my own pace and had so much debt from school loans that I didn't want to get into more debt from a boot camp.
If you're able to get a job after a bootcamp, even 6 months after completing a bootcamp, $18k is a good investment for a career path that will bring in 6 figures. But this is a big risk for people who can't afford to be out of work for over 8 months at the least.
If you are going into a boot camp, be aware of the risks. Make sure the curriculum is good, you are okay with long hours of stressful learning, and possibly be unemployed and looking for a job for many months.
I think 6 months is good now that I look back. 😅 she went to the top bootcamp so she's definitely pretty smart. I thought it'd take me 1 month when I first started. So naive 🤦🏾♀️ Those bootcamps that make you pay years after are wicked. It used to be 1 year, then 2 years and now some are 8 years?! I did self taught but it was brutal. I would have preferred to do a bootcamp because self teaching was lonely and discouraging.
how long did I take you to self taught? Thinking of doing boot camp
I'm doing an online degree and it's lonely and discouraging. Lol
Did you have a degree prior ?
I'm a four year college graduate from the year 2000 with a bachelor of science in computer science. Ive held a couple of development positions over the past 22 years but most of my experience has been in QA. I want to switch back to development and been grinding 3-4 hours a day after work for the past 7 months. I considered doing a bootcamp to further enhance my knowledge. But I don't know if it's going to teach stuff I already know and will be a waste of money. My goal is to be faster in my problem solving.
Just 357 rejections? I got rejected 548 times with 7 interview. I did a bootcamp and after bootcamp I started to search for a entry level job as a developer and finally got a job(im working as a frontend developer) after 548 rejections.
I’ve been taking colt steeles udemy web developer course. Self teaching myself and coding along. Now going into the back end making requests, working within the terminal. I hope that I will be comfortable with making a portfolio with all that syntax I’ve learned and get my first job
Hey there, that is great. I just started that course at Udemy. I will glad if you share your further experience and good luck
I’ve been doing this for a year… constantly applying and nothing. But I won’t give up. Keep grinding y’all
I joined a boot camp and got in for free by applying through a scholarship and , trust me it’s basically teaching yourself but because your pair programming and working in a team your forced into being accountable for your education
Many people who go to study in these bootcamps, do not obtain any results and they can enter in debt because they believe that they are going to get a job and that they are actually making an investment. One does not hear of these cases because the bootcamp companies intimidate them and force them to sign confidentiality agreements where they cannot talk about what happened. I would like you to speak a little more about this.
I've been working in IT for the past 9 years. In 2019 I applied over 300+ jobs and only got 2 job interviews and 0 offers.
Great video! I think you’re really onto an important problem. Not Only do they charge that much because there are no pricing estimates on what they’re really worth. Some of them also don’t even have screening processes of candidates, so it’s pretty much all about who can pay a lot. And many of the graduates also end up as assisting teachers which is not exactly What they had in mind
I think during the pandemic This has become an even bigger problem when the demand for tech jobs is just rocketting skyhigh
Allow me to shared my journey in tech (only about 17 months in or so):
I was a barber at 14 self taught always had an eye for beauty and design. After I turned 20 I decided to get my license fast forward I'm charging 65$ just to fade you. Boom covid hit no more job for me. So the stimmy checks come in (yeah I got some cool shit) but I used it mainly to get through the pandemic and buy a pc to learn to code/game on. So I sign up for a university of Washington hosted web dev camp (trilogy). Here's how that went: you pay 12k to go then they start you with the basics html then css then some JS now there's one teacher about 40-50 students and 3 TA. The TA were fresh graddys who couldnt land jobs (not a inspiring start) so obviously they didn't know shit. The teacher was good but spread way too thin for the class. Now there were three types of people in the camp the ones who practiced beyond the assignments and work and those who didn't and ppl like me who did the work and studied PC's and comp si on my own to understand more than just making a pretty site. So after the 3 weeks 1 per tool set (html,css....) We move on from the holy 3 as I call them and this is where I got pissed. They start teaching us some old ass tech like handlebars and mustache like shit NO one uses now. Then we get a week of SQL a week of mongo more js then jQuery. Mean while we get homework on these each week. As any coder knows when you're green a week isn't shit when learning code. Finally we get last 2 weeks for react. No one got a job I was the first one and that because I changed to cloud and studied like 8 hours a day for 4 months to land a it engineer role in Azure. The boot camps DO NOT GET YOU JOB READY. If you're into web then please learn a stack
Mean
Mern
Farm
All of these are In demand and will land you jobs. Build 4-5 working projects figure out jwt and auth. On free code camp theres a 19 hour build a full functioning API with a DB in postgres and deploy to a docker image FOR FREE fucking unreal. My lesson here is the camps do nothing but teach you to teach yourself just do it on your own.
$18k for a bootcamp is still better than $40k for undergraduate degree. Even worse with $80k debt for a Master's degree. All 3 educational programs still leave a graduate with an average of 6 months to find a job.
What is left out in the selling pitch is that tech companies have hiring seasons. Most between January to March.
Wait why wouldn't you think it takes 6 months to get a job? They show u that it takes 6 months to get a job for 85% of people who graduated. They're pretty transparent about it
I attended Georgia techs bootcamp and I can 100% say there are free online code camps that are just as good if not better
I attended a Bootcamp after military and would do so again - and I had to pay out of pocket for it bc GI Bill wouldn't cover it, although, that has changed since. It took me a few months to get a job (in 2015) partly because I moved to a new city after graduating, but it was worth it. I love my career. What we don't know about the example in this video is how well the resume was written, how the person came across in interviews, what time of year they graduated...sometimes companies don't always hire all year long. The job market changes and its hard to quantify what personal attributes go into getting a job vs not. Every criticism here could also be said about going to college. $18K is cheap compared to getting a state college degree.
I think there’s a lot to be said still when $18k is merely a fraction of what a formal CS college education costs these days. Yeah of course nothing is better than free or self-taught, but there is still some merit for a fraction of what college costs if it still eventually means you can work in the field.
I’m going self taught to save money and it’s more flexible for me. Full time job, 2 month old, and a slight fishing addiction take up a lot of time. I’m nervous about the job search…
I feel you. I'm also doing self taught going into 2 months so far and with my fiance and I both working full-time and a 10 month baby I only have so much time but I wake up thinking about coding and going to sleep thinking about coding just have to keep chipping at every chance I have to learn. One day at a time!
My brother got a bachelor's in aerospace engineering from Penn State and thought himself how to code and got a job coding without any prior experience in New Jersey right away. He was 21 at the time and fresh out of college.
I will start my Bootcamp in two days. After learning front end by myself, building a portfolio and projects I still did not get a job after over a year of applying. I got a lot of interviews but that's where it always ended. I already lost all my motivation. I know I have maybe to learn more and build better projects. Learn more backend, but since my motivation is lost I decided to join a bootcamp. Also I will switch from Front end to python:)
Why do you think you didnt get the job? Not skilled enough? No education? No work experience? Bad comunication?
Trust me you arent the only one. The field isn't as great as everyone makes it out to be. If you already know how to make stuff, consider doing contract work on sites like Upwork. That way you can get paid a little bit and get a bunch of connections
I'm a bootcamp grad.
In the past 6 months I've sent nearly 300 apps out and have gotten 5 interviews so far.
They all compliment my work but ultimately say they're looking for someone with more work experience.
Did they specify what they mean by work experience? Would they also accept personal projects as experience or just a job?
@@WiFiCashAcademy they all wanted someone with relevant work experience. they liked my personal projects, but ultimately wanted someone who's already worked in the field.
@@wetsand7379 It's been a year now and in the same boat. One company wanted to hire me, had funding issues. Another one said I answered everything well but they want more experience. Have had a few interviews and it pretty much always comes down to nobody wanting someone who doesn't have 2 - 3 yrs experience working as a dev already. I've done bad on one or two interviews but I don't count those. Their interviews were whiteboarding types and yeah, I haven't spent 4 months leet coding and those companies also weren't a faang company so not concerned with that. Reasonable companies that have whiteboarding in the interview or as part don't ask anything crazy, just simple algorithm problems, but some of them think they're google when they aren't haha.
What city or metropolitan area are you applying in if you don't mind telling?
@@ish562 I live in the American south east but I've been applying to remote jobs due to covid and being in the high risk category.
Thank you for this! I think it's great that you think that the self-taught route is best. I was a teacher for plus years, and I'm currently in a software development boot camp that is really good. It's 8 and 1/2 months,with Woz-U The reason I love a boot camp, or at least one that is going to be helpful, is because in order to learn a new skill, most of us need guidance, the structure, people to ask questions to and bounce issues off of. If I had been left to my own devices, I would have quit months ago, when it got difficult. But being able to have tutors and support has been instrumental for me personally. Most people when learning a new skill, need these things in place to overcome their own Self Doubt, and to help them learn.
I'm currently attending a bootcamp. I have no expectation at all that it will be enough on its own to get me a job.
I have been teaching myself for two years coding while working 60 hours a week . I applied for 800 jobs for 3 months straight
I had 60 rejection and one offer.
Did you take that offer though?... 😅
@@WiFiCashAcademy yeah bro
Amazing offer
Currently focusing on the backend even though my learning path was the frontend
happy for you
Congrats!
Kinda crazy how differently we all are studying. I started an online degree about 2 years ago (part time school, full time work) mainly focusing on Java. But I've learned sql, mongodb, Cassandra, Jaba OOP. The degree requires classes such as technical communications, systems analysis, project management, etc. I find it kinda weird I am finally taking algorithms and data structures this coming spring semester and a web development course. My point is everyone will take a different amount of time to learn coding. Enjoy the process while you're at it.
I had 2 offers after bootcamp.
My 2 cents...
A 4 year degree def isnt necessary ( I had lots of cs grads in my bootcamp), but plays a role as some companies only hire folks with degrees.
Self-taught is possible but you lose out on time, valuable info, experience, pair coding(IMPORTANT), team work(IMPORTANT), agile methodologies (IMPORTANT) and networking.
Why I chose my bootcamp? Curriculum was great. Career prep was great. Meeting contacts at top companies was priceless. And match-making (students interview with companies) was awesome! If you want a career in tech you will ALWAYS be self teaching. So don't hang your glory on being self taught and saving 15k initially. Pick a really good bootcamp and work your butt off.
I agree you will always be self teaching no matter I did a boot camp for support. The o oh thing I’m worry about is them making me pay for the lowest salary.
I went to a $12000 boot camp in 2019. I would of been better off doing a free training online now I’m in debt and not a software engineer.
What are you doing now?
went through a 9k boot camp 5 years ago, got into my current full time position. Now I'm a few k short of six figures and love the work.
Can you share which bootcamp ?
What do you do?
I am a self-taught programmer and technician. It took me 18 months to get my first job. There is no such thing as an easy way into the tech field. Everything worth doing is going to require some blood, sweat and tears--and maybe even a bit of self reflection. No, you cannot get a six figure job after a 13 week boot camp. The most reliable pathway to the six figure club is hard work, networking and pounding the pavement--the old fashioned way.
How long did it take to self study? What course did you do? I want to do the same but I dont know where to start...
@@dreamy665 this is going to sound rough, but its honest.
Put nearly 100 percent of your life's energy into this for a brief period of time, or dont do it at all.
This world does not reward procrastinating.
Take free, or inexpensive subscription based courses online. Do your research. You have plenty of options and time. Then consider a bootcamp when you are ready to increase your level of difficulty.
Then think about nothing but your goals until you make it into the career of your dreams. The money, lifestyle, and satisfaction is worth it in the long term.
@@dreamy665 I dont agree with andrew. I started a bootcamp from Masterschool and I am still doing it and I can tell you that it is worth it.
Not even a month into it and I not knowing anything about html, css and javascript at the start of that bootcamp, made a project from scratch, which lets the user create a grid with custom size. After that the user can pick a color and fill individual pieces with the colors he wants. As a little challenge for myself and still before the hard deadline I also added an option to save the color so you can pick it faster later. I said to myself, that I cant believe it that I created that from scratch.
My point is, the bootcamp forces you to advance faster than most people can when they try to learn it themself. I dont think I would have had the MINDSET to do that same project even after 4 months of self learning.
In my opinion a bootcamp lays a solid FOUNDATION which you can build upon when you have a job, because you will always make mistakes and learn new things in that field.
Think about it: do you want to learn with a bootcamp and start a programming carrier, even if it is a mediocre programming job, with a high chance to get a job within a year or do you wanna teach yourself, wasting time, having doubts and possibly at the end not going that route? Once you will have a job it can only go up, you can improve your knowledge at home and the at job while earning money.
puh that was long ;D
@@accelerator5524 which bootcamp did you? I think I will try to learn it on my own first, like get the basics then Ill do the bootcamp. I just wish I did IT when I was in highschool.
@@dreamy665 yeah i wish i started with IT when i was younger too. i am doing the bootcamp by masterschool. you dont need to pay any fees, except the entry fee, which was 250€ and only after you get a job in IT, you will need to pay back 10% from your paycheck for max 5 years or if you paid 12.000€ within these 5 years.
but they only accept a limited amount of applicants. i think around 50 or so.
so to summarize: no financial burden for me. i can save or spend the money i currently earn and i will only have to pay back the fees when i find a job in that field that the bootcamp teaches.
I failed a coding bootcamp... dropped university courses...just landed a job this Monday. It's about how you communicate and represent yourself on your resume and in phone/in person interviews.
Just make a good resume, put it on indeed and hit apply now for easy applications.
what are some tips to do that? did u learn that somewhere?
@@bzchii7474 no I think I was always a good communicator, but for the resume and linkedin stuff, I learned through mimicry and iteration. I just read my resume or profile over and think if I could improve, remove or add one thing, what would it be..and everytime I learn new important skill or language and use in projects, I add it as well.
@@jamess3159 that is very helpful. Thank you very much kind sir🙏
@@bzchii7474 not a problem at all. Good luck to you and just keep pushing through the process.. Your time will come soon
This is the best bootcamp reality check video.
I payed like 10$ for a bootcamp on udemy, I know its not the same thing a being physically there, but for the price of 10$ it was probably the best investment i ever made and i think it was even better than a real one because it tought me how to teach myself. When I got stuck I didn't have anyone to ask so it forced me to learn how find things on my own. This is one of the best skills a programmer could have, self learning.
What was the course called in udemy you took?
Spent a year and a half without finding a job after boot camp only to get a job in IT as soon as I changed my resume and focused on IT. My starting pay is significantly more than my colleagues that has a software engineer job.
What do you mean exactly? Are you a programmer, or do you do something else not related to the IT? What did you focus on in your resume exactly?
@@Jorsten I was focusing on trying to get a front end developer position, until I decided to transition into IT. As soon as I marked on my resume "currently studying CompTia A+ certification" I received a ton of calls for interviews with 2 offers.
@@shawnhumphreys3504 but what job did you get exactly?
@@pete_99 I am a software analyst at the company I am at. When a hardware technician arrives at a restaurant, they will call my department to perform whatever project they are assigned to. Right now our main project is making sure the software is fully operational after they replace the restaurant's network. There are some small projects I'll get every so often, but this is the current main project.
OK, I guess not a bad way to then apply for the engineering role.
Everyone learns differently. I feel that coding can’t be taught through lectures but its a learned skill through practice. I personally gave up coding at 14 and I’m 36 now, reteaching myself. I guess everyone learns differently. Plus the old saying goes, “if its too good to be true, odds are its too good to be true.”
Bootcamps was 2011. Its 2021, even CS grads can't get jobs. As a SWE, she should have automated it: 300 applications is rookie numbers.
What can then ?
I am a self taught FE that studied for 8 months before jumping into the job market. Recruiters were breaking down my door when I posted my resume to get my first job. 2 weeks, 4 interviews, 2 offers. One was from a fortune 500.
Go pick up a real contract or two and build a few sites with a modern framework. Say you did it for your own company, and put literally everything you did for those projects on your resume.
It's all about how you structure your resume. Don't post the wrong resume. Recruiters take snapshots and drop them into a searchable database, then rarely update.
Hi,
Thanks for sharing your success story. May I know how did you do it? What was the thing u did that was different from other people?
I think a lot of people can benefit from your experience and knowledge ☺️
I'm doing a 31-week program with Merit America. I only pay them 8k if I get a 50k job six months after graduation. I have technical coaches and a career coach that does resume and portfolio building, mock interviews, recruiter meetings, etc. It's been challenging. I think for a Bootcamp style of learning, it's worth it. If I fail out, or can't find a job, I don't owe them a penny.
That’s amazing congrats
Some self learning online training platforms do includes training boot camps. Its probably best to avoid the boot camp portion all together and just take the training courses and Labs on your own. You don't need a degree to work in IT since you are going end up starting out at the Help Desk before moving up. You can utilize that time to study for certs and job shadow. For developers, they just need to build a project portfolio.
I attended App Academy and the CEO told us TO OUR FACES that the certificate we were going to get from graduating the boot camp was useless and that if we don't actually learn and put the work in we're making a huge mistake. I think it woke some people up, ha.
The reality is, you're not paying them for that paper.
You're paying them for their time.
Can you share your experience with App academy ?
@@athulliapaulose positive experience. But definitely put in the time. It's a commitment. Try seeing if you like coding before signing up.
In other words its a waste of time and money. We be better off learning data structers and sellkng ournown apps independently. Once we have a few apply for a job if we still want to worm for somebody else. I honestly, I feel this way about Degrees as well. My reason for going back to school is soley to increase my credientials thats one thing college can do that a boot camp cant.
I had a friend who decided to do boot camp after struggling what to do with his career. I grabbed a collage degree…and from what I saw.. boot camps are only for people who are truly interested in learning IT and want it as a career. If you think it’s a quick career change to get a job quickly, it’s going to be a waste of money for you
I agree. no matter what route you take all roads lead to self studying to get the job anyways.
Even with an engineering degree it’s still a struggle …
You want to hear a way better story? I live in Mexico, have a masters in computer science, in the moment I had 0 working experience (though I was selling it as the master was indeed experience), and was applying to 5-10 jobs a day and it also took me 6 months in the end I only managed to have 20 enterviews, now I have a fairly good paying job at least to Mexico standards so at least my story has a happy ending. Not saying that her history is lame or anything I do hope some day the job market gets better for people entering the job force. But this seemed like a good place to share my own story.
Thanks for making this video. I almost started the bootcamp.
I’m not a fan of wasting money for stuff like College, bootcamps etc with no guarantees. I joined a free program where they taught Java programming (which I already knew being self-taught) for 6 months and they give you an internship at a Fortune 500 company for 6 months guaranteed. I ended up being top of my class and getting a internship at Equifax.
They decided to hire me full-time. Was there for 3 years. Started as a product support engineer, changes in the company changed my position to an SRE. Left to join my current company making six figures. All with NO DEGREE.
Going back to school starting March 1st but my company will essentially be paying for it.
what program was that?
The only one I'm thinking about doing is nucamp. It seems better than a lot of them. The 22 week course is $1800. The 11 month course is like 4 grand. I've learned some basics myself but they have a weekly meet ups in my city for the classes and it would be nice to meet some other developers.
I got a 4 year computer science degree. It took me nearly 6 months to get a well paying software engineering position after college. I had a personal portfolio and was grinding LeetCode/Algo Expert daily for about 3 months after graduation. I was admittedly doing other activities for money at the time and not applying for jobs that frequently. Eventually I landed 3 offers and a sign on bonus for 2 of the offers. I had around 15 rejections after college before getting my first offer. It can definitely be a struggle to land that first position bootcamp, college, or self taught. Just hang in there anyone trying because you can make it. Word of advice though - learn a lot about data structures. At least at my job I use tree structures, queues, recursion, and dictionary/hash maps on an almost daily basis. I say this because my college degree did not teach much about implementing these topics and most of the projects in college did not require them. Luckily Leet Code, Algo Expert, and other services do teach about writing solutions with topics like these though. Also learn about databases as that topic comes up more than you may think.
There are bootcamps that are trying to do it the right way, like ours (Nucamp), but are rarely showcased compared to the more mainstream and cash-grabbing ones. Too bad.
My friends who either took nucamp classes or taught it were pretty unimpressed with nucamp though. Do they at least incorporate git flow into their curriculum now?
Shots fired!
@@DorianDevelops Indeed!
@@TuningAnApple Yes Git has always been part of the curriculum.
6 months is not that bad for only 16 weeks tbh.. there’s people self learning that can’t get a job after 2 years. But idk, I hate programming. I only know about my friends which are 3 that self taught themselves and only 2 god jobs after all that times
I kind of agree with this video, but my experience was different. I did the bootcamp in one day and got a job the day after. A total of two days to go from unemployed to making $180k + bonus at Facebook.
I subscribed for simply keeping it real! Thanks a bunch. At the end of the day, tech companies want to see your work! Sure, a certificate or a degree is nice but that isn’t the meat of your skill set.
A friend of mine did HackReactor and got a job with 2 months of finishing it. Some people are lucky, some get shafted. Because he got a job, I damn near pulled the trigger, then I did my research and realized it's basically equivalent to being self taught, the only difference is you have a mentor from the bootcamp
I went to WGU because it was affordable & I got a degree in the end. I graduated in about a yr, & don’t regret it.
The comments here are an eye-opener. It's shocking that job candidates are sending out 300+ applications for a job in Software development? Is this a case of supply of workers being significantly greater than the demand for workers? It doesn't make any sense. So many companies have Software Development and Coding positions open. I just looked at the website for a company called Merkel. They have at least 200 coding positions open. Are candidates perhaps not searching in the right place? Are companies hiring overseas workers instead? What's really going on? Something doesn't add up..........
The hiring process is harsh and they don't want to give the job to just anyone
There's nothing here that doesn't make sense. It makes perfect sense.
The market is only hot for mid-senior level positions.
Junior dev positions receive HUNDREDS of applications.
What do you think the odds are of a recruiter even taking a peek at a noob resume?
To get your foot into the door, you have no choice but to play the numbers game.
@@snoudoubts1745 Excellent point! You are right! The only field these days where a noob can get a job quickly is Nursing!!!
@@snoudoubts1745 Yep, it's even harsher for IT I think. I have almost 8 years experience in IT and have sent out 150 applications in the past 2 months. So far I got about 7 responses which led to 4 interviews in total and 2 offers...
Now I know, I also paid the same, but I knew from the beginning that it will be impossible to get a job with only one month of everything (maybe I wanted to learn more), imagine getting a job with just 1 month of javascript, 1 month react, node , mongo, express jaja and call yourself a full stack dev :D