The Paradox Of Great Guitar Tone

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    In this video, I talk to session guitar legend Tim Pierce about the "paradox" to great guitar tone. Tim shares a studio secret to help us get huge guitar sounds at home.
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  • @glen7228
    @glen7228 3 ปีที่แล้ว +495

    This is actually how I learned to play right out of the gate. My uncle was my first guitar hero and teacher. He gave me a very small amp and said it would only sound good if it was turned almost all the way up. Basically he said every amp has it's sweet spot and once you find it set it there and use your guitar and your picking for everything after that. He also said if I didn't want my Mom constantly yelling at me to turn it down, I better learn to play soft and learn to play actual songs.

    • @gibfen1235
      @gibfen1235 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Smart uncle.

    • @piratewhoisquiet
      @piratewhoisquiet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Unparalleled advice

    • @lbinok
      @lbinok 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Good stuff...... nails it.

    • @harrysachs2274
      @harrysachs2274 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Should have more likes

    • @joeb3590
      @joeb3590 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jayandgem what?

  • @markk171
    @markk171 3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    I am a complete newbie/beginner...5 months into my journey. I hated they way I sounded...kinda like 2 cats fighting in a tin can. Guitar all the way up and amp turned WAY down (turned up amp = really mad wife). So I tried this today during my practice routine...turn the guitar down a bit, play softly but with the amp turned up pretty loud...what a HUGE difference in tone! THANKS RHETT and TIM...wow!

  • @confoundingvariables
    @confoundingvariables 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    10:55 Before; anemic tone
    11:36 Output tubes dialed
    11:55 Preamp tubes dialed
    12:46 Output tubes excessively driven

  • @willemkossen
    @willemkossen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    My neighbors are going to love me trying this out. :[]

    • @above7793
      @above7793 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      My neighbours dont need to step up, my family will have already thrown me out before my neighbours get barely inconvenienced

    • @imannonymous7707
      @imannonymous7707 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ya i felt your pain plenty

    • @Ben59910
      @Ben59910 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, me too. Especially with my blues deluxe reissue

    • @bud9269
      @bud9269 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I love you trying it out

    • @Znew07
      @Znew07 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Some amps are now coming out with two “volume knobs” so you can overpower the amp but control the volume output so you can still get that sound without the volume turned all the way up. I’m pretty sure the boss katana is one of the first to do this but I could be wrong.

  • @scoutgirl7739
    @scoutgirl7739 3 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    62 years young, and emersing myself in the L.A. music scene since the early 70's, Rhett and Tim Pierce still school me every time I watch their videos. You're both a blessing to me. As you said Rhett. What a free goldmine of knowledge from amazing guitar masters like you and Tim.
    Kurtiss L. (CJ)

  • @grantandrews4826
    @grantandrews4826 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Mark Knofler does this flawlessly on Brothers in Arms.

  • @denjanin1
    @denjanin1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I could never figure out why my sound was so lackluster. It almost doesn’t matter what you play when you don’t have good tone. This helped so much.

  • @RageSondrayy
    @RageSondrayy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    never been good at that whole picking softly on high volumes thing.
    What I've often found though is that having the volume of the guitar at like 5 or something instead of at 10 and then turning up the master volume of the amp really helps to get a bigger feeling sound without actually being much louder.
    there's a lot of "tone" often trapped in that master knob when it's set to bedroom levels at about 2-3 with a dimed pre amp.

    • @gibfen1235
      @gibfen1235 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      This user comment is the one line answer to what this long and confusing video was supposed to be like. Emma, thanks for the simple clarification!

    • @MrMd5555
      @MrMd5555 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@gibfen1235 all of his videos have misleading titles & he rarely says anything profound in any of them, but they're usually quite entertaining anyways!
      This is Not meant to be disrespectful

    • @AvnerRosenstein-ULTRA-LXV
      @AvnerRosenstein-ULTRA-LXV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The reason why is because you lose Bass and Resonance when the master is turned down. While it is true that tone is defined in the preamp, It's power and projection is the master. In other words the true force of your EQ is in the Master.

    • @dogslobbergardens-hv2wf
      @dogslobbergardens-hv2wf ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You also have the capability to give yourself a boost and/or some extra grit with just a little pinky roll. Almost all guitarists start dialing in their amp with the instrument's volume (and tone) maxed... and they've got nowhere to go from there.
      Then they spend the next 20 years buying four hundred different boost and overdrive pedals... 🤣

  • @RobPierce103
    @RobPierce103 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Tim is 100% on this! There is a very colorful dynamic range and bloom to turning your amp up and the guitar volume down, something ive noticed by chance but never into philosophy!

  • @liquensrollant
    @liquensrollant 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    I actually caught that segment, and appreciate the more detailed overview you've provided here, particularly with regard to technique.

    • @gunkanjima3408
      @gunkanjima3408 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not saying this isn’t true to get some good tones, but the bass gets cut like hell when doing this.

    • @joernbender2230
      @joernbender2230 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In two bands: it cuts very well. Just my experience ...

  • @tubularbill
    @tubularbill 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Tim is a total class act. Wonderful stuff.

  • @evankuntz6412
    @evankuntz6412 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Same sort of concept: I used to hate the boss DS-1 pedal, but I figured out if I turn my strat volume down to about 7, then turn the level up on the pedal. You can achieve a clean tone with light picking, then a heavier dist on hard strumming. Good stuff!

    • @Gk2003m
      @Gk2003m ปีที่แล้ว

      Vintage DS-1: $250+ on eBay. New DS-1, exact same design: $55 on Amazon
      That said: while your post is not off target, there’s significant difference between pedal distortion and tube amp drive. There’s just nothing like a tube amp cranked up.

    • @dogslobbergardens-hv2wf
      @dogslobbergardens-hv2wf ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Gk2003m either way it's still the same idea, though. It's basically just leaving yourself some headroom to play with. You don't get as much dynamics when *everything* is already cranked. Yes, even with solid state distortion pedals and amps, no tubes at all in the whole chain, you can have that "clean to dirty sweep" and get a heavy, rich, saturated tone a lot easier than most people realize.
      Almost everyone starts dialing in their rig with the guitar's volume and tone maxed, and they've got nowhere to go from there, and then they spend yearrrrrrrs buying different amps and overdrives and boosts to get that little extra.

    • @Gk2003m
      @Gk2003m ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dogslobbergardens-hv2wf I have both tube and SS amps. The principle does work on both, but the result on my tube amps is definitely ’richer’.

  • @soloseeker77
    @soloseeker77 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Something helpful I learned from owning guitars with single coils in the bridge (Les Paul Jr, Telecaster, etc) is that the volume and tone knobs have their own sweet spots when you play with high gain/distortion. Having your amp in its sweet spot is great for how it reacts to your playing, but not every guitar's pickups sound the best at full blast.

  • @bbarone
    @bbarone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    My recipe for perfect tone: Squier Bullet -> Boss Metalzone -> Katana 50 (any setting) -> slaved into a 68 Bassman

    • @brodyh2895
      @brodyh2895 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      how the cavemen did it :)

    • @bbarone
      @bbarone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@brodyh2895 KISS: Keep It Simple, Shredder!

    • @jacksolomon451
      @jacksolomon451 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Ridiculous unless butterscratch

    • @bbarone
      @bbarone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jacksolomon451 It's Ford Fiesta red :(

    • @gunkanjima3408
      @gunkanjima3408 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A bullet 😂

  • @brianharper4021
    @brianharper4021 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Rhett, I appreciate you taking your time to pay forward to us parlor players what Tim Pierce has shared with you. I try to incorporate what you, Tim, Rick Beato and others put out there for us. Thank you for the effort you make to spread the wealth to all of us who love making music. God Bless...

  • @avielkharrat5788
    @avielkharrat5788 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The format of this video is fantastic. The interview with TP balances perfectly with your comments / hands-on.
    Please do more of these. "Finding your tone" is a great subject.

  • @ibji
    @ibji 3 ปีที่แล้ว +264

    Here's a fun fact. Some guy who knew Jimi Hendrix said to him, 'wanna try out my guitar and amp?' and Jimi starts getting all those classic Jimi tones and sounds out of this guy's set up, he asks him, how are you doing that?, Jimi says 'here, look' and he had the amp all the way up, and the volume knob on the guitar all the way down.

    • @builderphill1361
      @builderphill1361 3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      A good player knows how to get his guitar to sing, a great player knows how to get his amp to sing 🙏

    • @hkguitar1984
      @hkguitar1984 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      @@builderphill1361 So true, in actuality you are playing both the amplifier and the guitar together.

    • @lifeofalex9199
      @lifeofalex9199 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      That’s how I used to run my AC30! Low input normal channel gunned with my guitar volume on like 2-3

    • @ricksanchezito8972
      @ricksanchezito8972 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'm a beginner (playing for 7 months) and just recently figured this out.

    • @gman2380
      @gman2380 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ricksanchezito8972 Out of interest , how did you figure this out ?

  • @jakebrandt5882
    @jakebrandt5882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Its crazy that you're sharing this a day after I noticed this myself....entirely on accident. I bought a Greer 5E3 a while back and its just a MASSIVE 15 watts, and I love the way a Tweed Deluxe style amp sounds when its in that big bloomy sweet spot, but its just too damn loud to play in the house, so I started messing around with touch and the guitars volume knob a lot more, and it's crazy how much more harmonic content comes through those speakers when you understand this idea. Its like....I see it has having a 500 horsepower engine in your car...but youre not going to just floor it all the damn time right? When you finesse that gas pedal (touch dynamics) you have all the get-up-and-go you could ever need, just by controlling your dynamic. Dig in, and get big, or keep it soft and enjoy the feeling you're creating. Jimmy Page NAILS this concept on songs like "Since I've Been Loving You", for a killer example. Great video Rhett!

    • @RiggsTaylor
      @RiggsTaylor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The horsepower analogy is great- well said!

    • @jakebrandt5882
      @jakebrandt5882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@RiggsTaylor of course it's fun to lean into it! But sometimes it's just as much fun to take a slow and sweet ride man! Time and place for everything.

    • @jfo3000
      @jfo3000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I was actually reminded of Page while Rhett was demoing this idea.
      Page is a genius.

    • @matthewkuhns7303
      @matthewkuhns7303 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow, that's what scares me about buying a new tube amp. I'm currently running an orange crush 20 rt and it is PLENTY loud. The one amp I've been drawn towards is the PRS MT15. I live in maryland and I am a PRS fanboy and have met Paul (great man) and been to the factory. Here's one thing that draws me off the amp. Its not 15 watts!! Its more of a 30 watt amp because they basically put the Archon in a lunchbox head. I was watching I think a Philip McKnight video and he went to the factory and was talking with some amp builders and they were saying in maybe 30-45 minutes they could make the amp go from 15 to 50 watts. Its a beast of an amp and has crazy amounts of distortion. Plus it has a great clean channel. Personally if they put a reverb in it I would've gotten it last year. I am looking at a sonzera as well, those look fairly good. I just need an all around amp that can do jazz to djent and everything in between.

    • @javiceres
      @javiceres 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      5E3 amps are an instrument themselves. What an experience of an amp.

  • @Johnrack
    @Johnrack 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tim Pierce!!!! Awesome. Thanks for following up and having Tim on. And keep up the great videos.

  • @cmick09ish
    @cmick09ish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You and Tim Pierce are at the top of my all time guitarists that I take what you say as gospel. It's awesome to see both of you working together. I love our TH-cam Guitar community.

  • @mitchelllayton24
    @mitchelllayton24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dude i've learned more from your videos than any other channel. Thanks for keeping it real and being a huge help to all the guys trying to up their guitar game!

  • @Nightwinflyer
    @Nightwinflyer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    TH-cam and more importantly, the great people using it to teach others is so amazing. I recall my days trying to figure all this out when I was a teenager, feels like I was in a fog...never had any of this knowledge. I could play all these songs from my favorite bands, but the tone was never there.
    I never knew how to write a song, either...it took me a while to unlock that mystery. The guitar, and music is an endless well to pull from.

  • @Icantdrive55
    @Icantdrive55 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the collaboration with Tim, he’s awesome he’s a legend. Great video Rhett.

  • @MAP448
    @MAP448 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Rhett & Tim. You both are really nice & I appreciate every nugget of wisdom I can get. So thank you both for all your help.

  • @ginogenero7972
    @ginogenero7972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    As someone with a healthy dose of disdain for the tone of pedals for any distortion, favoring instead the natural clipping of the tube amp exclusively, I finally understand how to use them together with (not instead of) the amp. That tubby bottom end breakup of cleanish tones is no longer a challenge. Pristine clean and searing overdrive were always my strength, middle ground my weakness. Thanks to great people like Rhett and Tim a whole new world of delicious tone is now at my fingertips.

  • @sethbecker4542
    @sethbecker4542 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I was told when I was first starting out by my local guitar shop sage that all you need is a Princeton Reverb, volume, treble, and bass on 5 and learn right hand dynamics. A few years later I was able to pick one up and I’ll never go back.

    • @RKTologist
      @RKTologist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i want a princeton so bad, but i use a twin right now cause me and my friend play drums sooo loud

  • @Smoove7192937
    @Smoove7192937 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, you two make everything so much easier to understand. I tried those settings on my supro amp, and it totally brought it to life. Thanks Rhett!

  • @marcod24
    @marcod24 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how you make me think about my playing in such subtle ways.
    After every video I just pick my guitar up and find out something new.
    Many thanks!

  • @JimmyRadloff
    @JimmyRadloff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Billy Gibbons is a good example of this technique. He used 7 gauge strings on his guitars with a light touch and got massive sounds and tone.

  • @lazylion420
    @lazylion420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    what he calls the amp "falling apart" @ 12:47 is just what I call a beautiful blues burn. sticky and dripping. visions of a cowboy wandering the desert. and I love it.

  • @ClaburP
    @ClaburP หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent video! Very useful and great tips on dialing in the amp from you both, Rhett and Tim 👍👌

  • @Michlandir
    @Michlandir 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a great post, Rhett. Love Tim Pierce’s channel, and you’re right: It’s a great time to be a guitarist. Thanks for the awesome content!

  • @theelusive9625
    @theelusive9625 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This video is fantastic and timely: a dude I work with just bought his first tube amp and I am definitely going to show this to him. Awesome info.

  • @RealRogGuitar
    @RealRogGuitar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Wow, actually really impressed by this, turned the master volume up and ive now managed to dial in a tone i was looking for. running an overdrive pedal in the front of a clean tone really improves the head room and clarity especially with reverb. Thanks!!! keen for the live show on Oct 10th!

  • @TheBluesman56
    @TheBluesman56 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a superb tutorial video. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and experiences Rhett. I have been on the guitar learning journey for 20 years now, I’m 65 and this has been a major step up in my understanding. 👍😎

  • @jackmckee8196
    @jackmckee8196 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks so much Rhett and Tim!

  • @jamesstonehouse3448
    @jamesstonehouse3448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    "Gross and flubby" perfect spot for Doom metal.... love that squished attack of a dimed OR120.

    • @jamesstonehouse3448
      @jamesstonehouse3448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @William Harvey I do work for *a* government, but I'm talking about the classic Orange OR120 from the early 70s. It has an almost fuzzed out overdrive. It's a perfect tone for stoner rock and doom metal. Tune low, play slow.

  • @shawnlaizure
    @shawnlaizure 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Short Comment: I thought I knew a secret! ...Long Comment: I got an Orange Rocker 32 and was looking for solutions to attenuate it due to living in an apartment and I went with the JHS Little Black Amp Box (which goes in the send and return) and it’s amazing! That combined with the upgrades to my Fender Jazzmaster (put V-Mod pickups in, changed the pots from 1meg to 250K, and a Mastery bridge) made me fall in love with my Jazzmaster and guitar in general all over again.

  • @supernoah71
    @supernoah71 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In my circle growing up a long time ago we all played big amps and no one ever talked about this stuff. Young players today are so lucky to have this channel.

  • @jaredcowell5470
    @jaredcowell5470 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve heard about this concept for years but never really understood the “calculus” of it. You and Tim are an incredible pair. Thanks for this one. Amazing stuff!

  • @danszabo5211
    @danszabo5211 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think this is all spot on. Something else to keep in mind is that when you play with softer dynamics, the signal out of the guitar changes substantially. Beyond the amp characteristics, which are obviously important, the signal out of the instrument is arguably more important. Add on top of that the interaction between the guitar and the amp, and it becomes obvious quickly how this becomes a whole new kind of instrument in the hands of a skilled player.

  • @onenotesolo256
    @onenotesolo256 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I’ve been doing this for a while almost by accident, as I have a fairly loud valve amp in an apartment block. I realised recently that I do exactly what Tim described, and I do often receive good comments on my tone (this does not necessarily apply to my talent level lol). It became very evident when I had a friend over, handed him my guitar without changing any settings, and he almost blew the windows out on his first chord and lead notes - he plays smaller amps, hard, in a detached house and doesn’t have to worry about volume. Tone not as fat though. Great video Rhett.

  • @DavideGranato
    @DavideGranato 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I particularly loved the fact precious information comes at reach for the beginner , being very friendly for those , and always useful even for experienced players. Coming from two of my favorite Artists is just the cherry on the cake. Keep always honest and upfront Rhett , thank you!

  • @-JohnGalt-
    @-JohnGalt- 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video, interview and presentation. Spot on Rhett! Keep up the good work brother!

  • @honkytonkinson9787
    @honkytonkinson9787 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think that the muting the strings tip is soooo important. When I'm playing lazy I usually am not muting very well and I sound like crap. Just putting in a little bit of effort to mute strings while playing does so much to make you sound professional!

  • @perlo830
    @perlo830 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Tom Bukovac (Uncle Larry) talks about strumming softly and how he learnt thats how Angus Young achieves his massive sound

  • @allenmcclain2745
    @allenmcclain2745 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great clearly stated instruction in all your vids, Rhett. Thanks for the channel!

  • @kenkovar2647
    @kenkovar2647 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks guys for sharing your hard won insights, I will be sure to check out your other stuff!

  • @christianboddum8783
    @christianboddum8783 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I've witnessed James Burton up close do this with a Fender twin, full up, the rest controlled from the guitar, and man can he get a big tone out of a Tele!!!

  • @rickc2102
    @rickc2102 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    When you can say, "I'm just gonna call up Tim Pierce," you know you're on the right track. Bravo, dude, and thanks for expanding on Tim's pointer. My neighbors will surely enjoy my explorations into my amp's sweet spot. 😂

    • @gagslovedotcom
      @gagslovedotcom 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I saw that and was like, "Wha....? Do ALL these TH-cam guys know each other? :D

  • @maniacalion6170
    @maniacalion6170 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve slowly been learning to play more “touch sensitive” but this really made everything click!!! Thanks so much for what you do :)

  • @TehSoulZero
    @TehSoulZero 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Big thank you for the both of you for giving us this 💪

  • @KarstenJohansson
    @KarstenJohansson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Pretty much everything live from Jimi Hendrix is a master class on this subject. He'd have it right "on the edge" of distortion, and as a result, he'd get such amazing bell tones along with some serious punishing distortion depending entirely on his picking. That's where I learned about doing this, so it's nice to see it dissected more technically here.

  • @blindguitarfox
    @blindguitarfox 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    While I don’t really think this is exactly anything “new”, it occurred to me that this was the kind of thing learned from other musician’s and that this was the first time I had seen someone put something like this online. Good job!

  • @timharrington4470
    @timharrington4470 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Both you and Tim are awesome and extremely knowledgeable, thanks for sharing

  • @geraldd10
    @geraldd10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rhett man, I came across your videos via brother Rick Beato. I have been playing guitar and pedal steel for 37 and 20 years respectively would you believe I have never tried what you and Tim are talking about here? Crazy! Your videos are extremely high quality and inspiring, and you sound really great on the instrument. Thank you for sharing what you know - I am gonna try it on a session later this week. Look forward to hearing how it works on steel as well as 6 string!

  • @AndrewStonerock
    @AndrewStonerock 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    For drop tuned metal we tend to run the power amp pretty low. We don't want any power amp breakup or anything like that. Usually I'll use the master to dial in cab resonance, if there is no resonance control.

    • @kenkovar2647
      @kenkovar2647 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks but as a noob I am not familiar with some of those term, will have to look them up

  • @hhelipena
    @hhelipena 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This is how I try to set up my amps, i didn't know that this was really a "thing" and always wondered how the guys with what I thought was great tone achieved it. You're right, the internet is a gold mine of guitar knowledge. Used to be if you wanted to know anything you'd either have to scour guitar mags or just know somebody that was an experienced player willing to give advice.

    • @kenkovar2647
      @kenkovar2647 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      truly amazin, the interwebs 🙃

    • @hervecaparros6806
      @hervecaparros6806 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What about solid states amp ? The same thing ?

  • @cameronwinters5179
    @cameronwinters5179 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Rhett, great video with a really solid explanation for finding the sweet spot. Also, really good image/sound editing of this piece.

  • @williampintor1286
    @williampintor1286 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks so much for that, that was a nice gift to all of us trying to learn to play.

  • @RC32Smiths01
    @RC32Smiths01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I've said this many times, but tone is so important to getting really motivated to playing guitar. The sounds you get are really pivotal to moving people with music! Awesome work man!

    • @Jupiter2ignite
      @Jupiter2ignite 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Man this is so true!

    • @RC32Smiths01
      @RC32Smiths01 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jupiter2ignite Yeah!

    • @notbraindead7298
      @notbraindead7298 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think we all know what you're saying but you've put it perfectly into words.

    • @francistherrien
      @francistherrien 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So true

    • @emcg.9655
      @emcg.9655 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think this holds true the more experience you have. I find it difficult to get into any kind of zone playing in the bedroom now, it's just not the same.

  • @jakestewartmusic
    @jakestewartmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video! It's a shame that more people don't know this concept. I play an Esquire straight into a Carr Rambler cranked to 10 and simply use my guitar's controls and my playing dynamics to get everything I need. I may not turn my guitar volume to 10 for an entire gig, but that power and extra gain is there when I need it. I find that I get the same effects mentioned by Tim when I roll back or play softly, but I still have that extra power in reserve.

  • @spaceghost5026
    @spaceghost5026 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, I learn so much from your videos!

  • @mikedwiles
    @mikedwiles 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Rhett and Tim! Tried it with a Marshall head while watching. Love how it's working. Greatly appreciate the part on dialing in the amp also. Very helpful!

  • @NJSonye
    @NJSonye 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Elliott Randall says the rig he used on “Reelin’ in the Years” was an Ampeg SVT! A 300 watt bass amp!

    • @alanshadyvally
      @alanshadyvally 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had one back in the late 70 early 80 run one of those old fuzz pedals with the two big round wheels on the sides you could feel the wind.

    • @jonathansteadman7935
      @jonathansteadman7935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Didn't the Stones use SVTs in 70s same as Ron Wood in the Faces. It's the same tone.

    • @larrypower8659
      @larrypower8659 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      N. J. Sonye I know and played some gigs with Elliott, and that info is correct. I always thought it was a small Fender
      amp just dimed but no. He had “that guitar” with him, a ‘62 or ‘63 Strat with a PAF humbucker in the neck position. He
      said he turned up the amp and worked the guitar volume to where he liked the sound. The SVT was the only amp avail-
      able at the time so he just went with it. Fun fact: That solo was the second take, with no edits. Apparently, they all
      felt the first one was even better (hard to imagine) but the engineer didn’t record that one. He thought it was just a run
      through. After that, Becker and Fagen had engineers record everything, just in case. Elliott is a master guitarist and a
      very sweet person, in case anyone cares about that stuff.

    • @NJSonye
      @NJSonye 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Larry Power what a great bunch of NYC studio players in the 70s

    • @paulbangash4317
      @paulbangash4317 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Larry Power yes , a friend of mine played some drums with Elliot a couple of years ago. He lives in London ( or did then) not that far from me. Always loved his playing , really wonderful 💫

  • @Bigandrewm
    @Bigandrewm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The amateur engineer in me really enjoyed seeing the amp opened up and talking about what's in it.

  • @bniwa
    @bniwa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    good to see you guys in the same circle - a web of info that is working quite well for a lot of us out here. Thanks.

  • @Munchvader
    @Munchvader 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video. I've been digging in your videos lately. So informative.

  • @louaguado995
    @louaguado995 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I heard Jimi Hendrix did this all the time in the studio. Marshall plexi on 10, guitar volume on 2.
    This is why low wattage tube amps are selling like crazy, getting that sweet spot without blowing your ears out

  • @alexwoolridge94aw
    @alexwoolridge94aw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The muting advice yall gave is second nature for us slide players. Muting is everything but damn this was a great video.

  • @brownsfan7753
    @brownsfan7753 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Rhett!! Very nice to have this broken down !! Thank you!!

  • @timrussellguitar1516
    @timrussellguitar1516 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved this show Rhett. And yes, Tim Pierce is amazing. Thank you !

  • @glennchartrand5411
    @glennchartrand5411 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One of the sources of harmonics is the speaker shaking the tubes.
    The three note "NBC Chime" was originally created by the radio broadcaster reaching over and tapping three of the preamp tubes with his pencil.
    Sound waves hitting the tube causes the interior components to vibrate , you get small changes in distance between the gate, emitter and collector plates.
    This creates secondary and tertiary resonances.
    Its why the tubes are close to the speaker and sideways to it (to catch the sound waves)
    You want to shake them hard enough to create resonances , but too hard creates distortion and a squealing type of sound.
    (You start hearing the glass tube ringing)
    So tube amps usually have a sweet spot that could make a banjo sound like a cello.

    • @m0j0b0ne
      @m0j0b0ne 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I suspect the tube tapping tone tale is an urban legend, but there's some truth in that microphonics were a big part of Jimi's sound."Getting the tubes to ring" was absolutely NOT an aim of early amp designers who were concerned with eliminating microphonic feedback, not encouraging it; even building the amp into a separate cab so it didn't have to be vibrated by the speakers, as in a combo.

    • @ChrisOBrien666
      @ChrisOBrien666 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      'The three note "NBC Chime" was originally created by the radio broadcaster reaching over and tapping three of the preamp tubes with his pencil.'
      Urban legend - the original NBC chime was seven notes long and was most likely created using a small handheld chime.

  • @antoniomonteiro1203
    @antoniomonteiro1203 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    There is another factor not mentioned here, that I've experienced: playing relatively loud and with the guitar close to the speaker(s) cab, there is a controllable amount of feedback that generally increases sustain.

    • @godsinbox
      @godsinbox 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      you see that feedback from your housemates when they cover their ears and run

  • @danweberhealing
    @danweberhealing 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome video rhett. that was super helpful! love that edge of breakup tone, so full

  • @papasway8684
    @papasway8684 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Rhett and Tim for this gold nugget !!

  • @misterzed
    @misterzed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Tim mentions Daniel Lanois as a key user of this technique - and he's right. Lanois gets killer tones and dynamics using this. If you've never heard Lanois, do yourself a favour and listen to his album Acadie as well as the 2014 Premier Guitar Rig Rundown in which Lanois goes into depth on his use of the loud amp, gentle picking technique both on pedal steel and regular guitar.

  • @TheAndyroid
    @TheAndyroid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "Turning your amp up and turning your guitar down". Then the conversation instantly became about playing loud but gently. Then gain staging. I was expecting to hear something about Miller capacitance, the real reason to turn your amp up. ;-)

    • @silvanolapenna2510
      @silvanolapenna2510 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly... We're you and I the only ones seeing this?

    • @TheAndyroid
      @TheAndyroid 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@silvanolapenna2510 At 7:00, I was sure he was going to talk about the impedance curve of the speaker interacting with the gain of the power amp at different frequencies, making a touch responsive EQ curve...but no. Then later on he gets the gain staging backwards, you set the preamp gain BEFORE the master volume, so you know what kind of signal you're sending into the power amp. Still, they at least get some great guitar tones, even if they don't really understand how they've done it!

  • @cliftontorrence839
    @cliftontorrence839 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Rhett, great vid . & good stuff to ponder and work over. Kudos Tim. instructions for a better world.

  • @mikedegrazia
    @mikedegrazia 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you both for the amazing content! Super valuable information.. great tone

  • @timwhite5562
    @timwhite5562 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I set my rig with the idea of "amp volume up/guitar volume down." I typically will do it with an EQ pedal more than the guitar volume, so the loss of treble when lowering the guitar volume isn't an issue, and I can adjust it for different guitars with different output levels.

  • @RighteousMane
    @RighteousMane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Honestly, this is great advice and all, but... man, your "anemic" tones sound so good to me, just sparkly and clean. I know it's not as full and rich as the wide-open sounds, I'm sure a lot of it is just my taste (and TH-cam compression). But to your point, even with the Line 6 Spider 3 amps my friends and I had growing up, we figured out there was a sweet spot in the volume, just a bit past halfway up, where the amps really opened up and came alive. We always said that was when VTEC kicked in.

  • @unklefester1980
    @unklefester1980 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes Great piece guys, exceptional instruction.

  • @daviddestefano2541
    @daviddestefano2541 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your insight and advice starting at about 1130 was invaluable. Totally changed my approach to dialing in my sound!

  • @dawgson1756
    @dawgson1756 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I watched an interview with Ed King, He said the same, “my motto is turn the amp up, turn the guitar down”

  • @MarkTheDude
    @MarkTheDude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +187

    Dude... love your vids. However, this is now the second ‘amp setting’ video you’ve done where you haven’t talked about where you are setting your guitar volumes and tone. If you are cranking up the volume on the amp, where are you setting your guitar? Are you backing it way off or are you only playing quieter? In my world I have 3 dials to play with, guitar volume, preamp volume, and master volume. Can you add / talk about the guitar volume and how it plays into this type of setting? Thanks for all you do. I am learning a ton, just want to lear a little more.

    • @patricksommer3971
      @patricksommer3971 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      I always have guitar controls on 10, because if you don't have a treble bleed in your guitar, you're losing high end when turing down your guitar vol.
      If you have a treble bleed, just turn the guitar vol to 10, set the preamp to the maximum amount of gain you'll need for the song and set the master as high as you want it to be.
      Then you can use the guitar volume to control your gain.

    • @olafnelsonduerksen9676
      @olafnelsonduerksen9676 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@patricksommer3971 The Treble Bleed. I think it's an underrated little electronic device. Gonna ask my Guitarbuilder to install one in my Custom Shop Fender Strat.

    • @patricksommer3971
      @patricksommer3971 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@olafnelsonduerksen9676 A Custom Shop Strat doesn't have one?

    • @olafnelsonduerksen9676
      @olafnelsonduerksen9676 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@patricksommer3971 well, it's not a genuine Fender Custom Shop. That guy made the guitar using original Fender parts. Japanese Single Coils from the 90's, Tele neck and the rest new parts. The body treated with an aging process. I bought the beauty.

    • @m0j0b0ne
      @m0j0b0ne 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@patricksommer3971 Yes. most passive guitar volume knobs will bleed some treble, but that's easily fixed with a voltmeter, a soldering iron and a custom resistor or two. Consult a qualified tech, though because the fix is different, depending on your axe's pickups and control circuit.

  • @ckellydrums928
    @ckellydrums928 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a drummer who has been noodling aimlessly on guitar for the past 20 years, your channel has been a goldmine of information, inspiration, and direction. I've been watching your videos nonstop at work everyday and just can't wait to come home each night to dive into guitar and exploring my gear. I've also learned about some legendary and informative guitarist, namely Tim Pierce, through your channel. I cannot wait to live in a house where I am able to crank my Fender Deluxe amp and finding that sweet spot! Thank you for all the inspiration Rhett, I truly appreciate it!!!

  • @brianwhite7686
    @brianwhite7686 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I apologize for not getting into your channel earlier. I've watched a number of your episodes, but this one really woke me up to the quality of your content. I have now subscribed and will be watching for more great insights.
    Rock On Brother!

  • @micahortega6041
    @micahortega6041 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is the exact opposite approach that I use. I feel that attack is always fighting tone and body. I have an extremely heavy right hand(picking hand). I fight that by not cranking amp and playing lightly but by turning down the tone knob and playing heavy. The tone knob is a balancing act between tone and pick attack. That’s how I roll.

  • @rickg8015
    @rickg8015 3 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    Jimmy Page always did this in the studio.. He said “it’s a healthy thing..”

    • @michaelcraig9449
      @michaelcraig9449 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      From Jimmy Page, who was as unhealthy, and frail, as it gets..

    • @alexanderkelley2556
      @alexanderkelley2556 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He also used small amps in the studio.

    • @maxmustardman298
      @maxmustardman298 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly. I swear all those vibrations around me and the house help me clean body and soul when I turn that brother up.

    • @modestoney1577
      @modestoney1577 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@aquatichighs he did use a rather small Supro combo an the first album
      and of course size is relative
      compared to a 100w Marshall head, maybe even 200w, a 30w amp is small(er)

    • @markrobinson8410
      @markrobinson8410 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexanderkelley2556 You are right small amp all the way up

  • @jon-nolanacousticsingerson9920
    @jon-nolanacousticsingerson9920 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Rhett! Thank you for the tip.

  • @tylerevans1700
    @tylerevans1700 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Prob one of the most informative and helpful vids about guitar, tone, and just music in general..

  • @amieffects5754
    @amieffects5754 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Flubbyness as a lot to do with the general EQ and Bass level. You might notice that at high volume the power amp distortion is tighter and the sound is more punchy with the bass knob set lower.

  • @marshallallensmith
    @marshallallensmith 3 ปีที่แล้ว +155

    "I like for my guitar to melt the windows in the studio and make peoples eardrums bleed" -- Abraham Lincoln

    • @kennethhoneycutt4513
      @kennethhoneycutt4513 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh my yes it was such education I am eight Avid guitar player and really don't know a lot about setting up my pedals my amp and finding that sweet spot but that was such a big help and I'm watching your videos Rick beato and now Tim Pierce videos to get inspiration and education on how to set my rig up thank you so much for all what you guys do it really helps us dummies out

    • @BreauxBobby
      @BreauxBobby 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow, ole Abe Lincoln was even cooler than we thought.

    • @cardbored_
      @cardbored_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm pretty sure that was Mark Twain.

    • @burriedabove
      @burriedabove 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cardbored_ no i remember learning about it in school, it was Abraham

    • @radio7353
      @radio7353 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@burriedabove you sure it wasn't theodore roosevelt?

  • @juliodefreitas157
    @juliodefreitas157 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best amp lesson ever.i want to thank you and your host for a lesson that i will never forget. You guys Rock 👍💚

  • @dankelly7712
    @dankelly7712 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is great stuff Rhett. Thanks a lot

  • @SypherLXVII-MySixStringJourney
    @SypherLXVII-MySixStringJourney 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video with some food for thought. I might just try playing with ,y volumes this evening. I usually have the amp at low to mid levels and the guitar at various levels. Looks like I have been missing out on some good tones. I'm looking forward to experimenting more. Thanks for arranging the call and producing this video.

  • @Bigandrewm
    @Bigandrewm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I'm a trombonist, not a guitarist, but I really enjoy playing with a guitarist who knows how to control their sound. It's a different discussion, but IMHO worth pointing out that there are times (although more rare for some than for others) when you want to go in the opposite direction: not much tone and a lot of articulation. The quintessential example would be a classic Freddie Green quarter-note pulse appropriate for some forms of jazz swing. That style is all about rhythmic placement in the pulse and articulation, and definitely not using a tone that may interfere with other instruments in the same register as where the guitar places their voicings. Playing with a guitarist who knows how to switch approaches where appropriate is just lovely.

    • @starbattles1
      @starbattles1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Nothing Noone Um no... We're not. Actually takes a hell of a lot more skill to play guitar then brass and woodwind. I know... I play both guitar and sax. And I accomplished what he was saying with my amp turned up, and mixed turned to living room volume. He's right. Big fat superb tone and no more room volume then I had before. You see... we're smart enough to do that, whereas you couldn't even imagine it being anything but LOUD. You just displayed a lack of vision, and lack respect for fellow musicians.
      Just in case you didn't know.... You Just Got Served.
      So go blow it out your trombone. Fucking troll. Why you even here? Just to be a dick? Mission accomplished, now crawl away simpleton.

    • @notbraindead7298
      @notbraindead7298 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I encountered a reverse situation a couple of years ago. A trumpet player sat in with our church band and did an excellent job of controlling his column and played very tastefully.

    • @leightranter4758
      @leightranter4758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I've been a professional trombone and guitar player and honestly , guitar players in general don't get dynamics the way orchestral players do. Hopefully lots of people watch this video

    • @Bigandrewm
      @Bigandrewm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Just to be clear: the subject of the video and my reply here is about tone, not volume. Related, but different.

    • @starbattles1
      @starbattles1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bigandrewm I know. You think tone is something it's not. You dont seem to know what tone is. Tone does not interfere with other instruments. Volume might, but tone does not. Every instrument has some kind of tone. If you put a band, or an orchestra together then you have to make sure all the instruments selected work together. And they will. Big Band music had it all. Arrowsmith used big band music in there tone filled hard rock and made one of there best songs ever.
      If you think a great guitar tone is responsible for interfering with other instruments I have to question if you even plan an instrument at all. Maybe you do, alone in the house, and just speculate everything else. I don't know, but you are so far off it's not even funny. Or maybe you should just tell your tech to turn the guitarist down on the mixer, or turn the rest up. Has nothing to do with tone.

  • @dean9498
    @dean9498 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great information. Tim is an excellent instructor.