Tapered fork NON Tapered Dirt Jumper Frame
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2020
- Finally figured out how to upgrade my dirt jumper fork so I could use my custom wheels I had built. These are #koozerhubs with Spank 32 rims. wanted to see if these hubs were any good. So far I love these hubs and they have great engagement. #customdirtjumper #startsmallgohuge
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This is what I need right now. I am looking for this instructional video for my tapered fork for non-tapered frame assembly. Thank you Buddy..
No problem my friend
very informative and straight to the point planning to fit a rockshox tapered fork on my budget dirt jumper
watching from Philippines
Awesome good luck with the project🤟
Thank you for the Video ! New fork feels so good !!
Nice DOO glad I could help👍
Oh mate, I'm so glad I found this video! Thank you!!
No Robles my dude 🤘🤘🤘
Finaly.....i've had the same problem in 2019 but at that time there was no chance to fix that problem
Keep on doing.....great channel nice👍🏻😁😎🚲 content
Awesome broskie. Glad I could help🤟👊
Great work bro on modifying your CaneCreek headset to fit your new tapered fork on your non-tapered DJ frame. Oh BTW.... the sticker on your helmet @ 0:39 is FIRE 🔥 🙃 and your DJ bike is 🔥 as well!! 😎 Keep up the great work bro 🤙
Thanks brochacho 🤟🤟🤟🤟
Great vid!!! I do all my own work. I loved the bolt and washer idea. Subbed!!!
Thank you. Thats Awesome!!! Welcome to the party 👍
Yeah man that's the way it'll be, guy at my local mountain bike shop told me the other day it wasn't possible, guess who didn't know what he was talking about. Trying to put a tapered RockShox or Manitou on a Fat Tire Bike with a straight head tube.
Nice 🤙 let me know how it turns out
Thanks dude ,your video really helps me... thumbs up👍
Glad I could help Bro🤙
Nice job. When i put the cane creek headset on my old bike, straight tube, i didn't think to put that larger lower cup on it. I have a fork i could have used on all 3 bikes if i had done that, instead i have a big heavy fork on it. Oh well, yes not many options. If i switched it over i'd also need a new wheel as it's all old skewer. But it works and the cane creek 10 straight steerer has not given me any trouble this last year, works great.
Awesome at least you could try it out if you wanted to👍
@@RydenDirty I built a similar headset press that RJ the bike guy recommended. But it was shifting, like what happened to the top of your press, as you were turning it. It needed a small nut or something to help keep the rod centered. I don't do alot. What i added was a piece of plastic between the washers to help it turn - the bolt and the washer. I used a cheap part box divider i drilled a hole in lol
Great vid, informative and I love the purple anodized parts!
Thanks brotha 🤘
That's dope bro !! And cool tool 👌🏼🔥
You know how we do it👌
Great video man! I have an older Giant STP3 I've been wanting to upgrade the forks on and use as a dirt jumper and this might just do the trick!
Thanks my dude. Just make sure you have a 44mm inner diameter on your headtube.
Great video. Hope your channel blows up👍
Thank you so much 🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟
never even considered this option for my steel dirt jumper, thanks for the ideas🙌🏼
No problem!! Let me know if you do it🤟
Dang Bro. You are a super handy bike mechanic. So good!!
Thanks broskie. I actually went to school for motorcycle mechanics 🤙
That was a super helpful video mate, thanks.
Hell ya bro glad I could help
Sweet. Thank you. I'm running an older Lynskey . Hopefully this trick will work.
No problem. As long as the headtube is 44mm you're all good
Did it work?
Yeah I'm gonna need to be trying this.
Well I wanted to but I think the headtube is 34mm id top and bottom.
Dude you’re awesome! 🤙🏽
Thanks my man 🤘🤘
I have the same problem - 8mm space in headtube, and 12mm high lower headset cup. I hope that grinder cutting won't weak my headset. Previous cup was much more lower - so I decidet to cut, and this video help me with this decision.
Nice glad I could help
Love your bike!😍
Thank you one of my favorite bikes that I waited so long to buy 😎
This looks like a simple solution, but will only work on certain bikes. With so many “standards” of headtubes, headsets and fork steerers this looks it could be a real wild goose chase. Not to mention, not all frames are made with suspension compensated geometry, I suspect most tapered steer tubes wether for for fat bikes or mountain bikes, will not be a good fit geometry wise even if you can make the bearings work if it’s an older bike or early fat bike . I recommend planning it out very carefully before ordering parts and cutting anything. This works on oversized headtubes that are probably aluminum. Headset needs to be semi-integrated. Regular pressed in cup headset will not work., full integrated will not work either, though it might if the headtubes is bored out.
Good video none the less.
Agree on all statements. I just happened to get lucky and it worked for me.
Glad to find this because Im considering buying a black market malice 🤙🏼
Glad I could help 🤟
Great video!! Wish I would have seen this weeks ago. About to slap a manitou machete on my rockhopper. Your bike is sick!!
Awesome man thank you
Hi Harrison, meaning you got the machete comp straight steerer which you would not preferred ? Cheers
Great custom mod. I wish there was some part that makes it work.
Thanks. Same goal but using an fsa headset conversion.
Nice 🤟🤟🤟
Hell yes I’m gonna try this with my steel reserve. Excellent video bro.
Hells ya thanks brochacho 🤟🤟🤟
Won't work dude. Because the Steel Reserve uses a fully integrated headset, and this mod only works with a semi integrated headset.
@@wakazuzu so you mean that the 40 headsets doesn't works on steel frames?
@@assajacket9202 Not sure about other frames but the Haro SR uses an integrated headset where the bearing cups are formed into the headtube. These adaptor headsets only work with a semi-integrated headtube where the bearing cup is inserted into the headtube.
Thanks a million !!!
No Problem my friend👍
Good job. Sweet bike, I'm running the same bars on my trek
Sick they are pretty dope
Thank you for this video sir ,..
No problem 👊
Man you are awesome! I thought I was either fucked or I was gonna have to buy a new wheel with my new shop. Great video!
No problem my dude🤘👊
For anyone struggling just buy a digital caliper and measure everything on your bike. Lifesaver. They're £10 tops on amazon
That is a great point thanks for that 🤘🤘
the head tube is straight but it is the width of the tapered part of the fork on bottom and on top. this is the only reason why it works. On older bikes the head tubes are alot narrower. the tapered bottom of fork will not fit. I wish it did, I am trying to go to boost but cant because of older narrower head set.
Your bicycle’s headtube must have an inside diameter of 44mm or larger in order to use any tapered steer fork. Traditional 1 1/8 in headtubes, or 34mm inside diameter headtubes, cannot accept a tapered steering column fork, therefore we do not make an adapter that will allow you to use a tapered steering column on a traditional 1 1/8 in headtube.
Thanks for the tip 👍
wow cool, you can teach a old dog new tricks. I just learned something new today.
Glad you liked it!
It will work only if you're ht is 44mm Id or bigger
good to see this vedio from Philippines 🇵🇭
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Thank you
No problem 🤙
This is the kinda video where it's like good I can see the whole process before start ordering stuff. Nice editing too, not cocaine fuelled at all unlike some other less popular channels.
Glad you liked it my dude. Turns out a lot of people have older bikes that they want to swap the forks.🤟
You made it looks easy I spent £73.00 on Park tool HHP-3 tool to convert my non to tapered using Hope mix and match I just can't get it to go in straight spent hours and end up taking her to my LBS 🙄👍👍
Damn that sucks bro, glad you got it worked out though🤙
Am I the only one who noticed the JSD supply p320 jig box 😉. I love mine. Great video though. The JSD supply completely distracted me so I had to restart the video lol.
lol I figured nobody would know what it was 😁👍
I was one the waiting list for the jig and frame. I know that box from a mile away 🤣
@@codyphillips48 😆😆😆😆🤟🤟🤟
Great video, my only tip would be to press in one cup at a time, this way you are pulling against a flat and true surface, this ensures the cups go in straight. 👌
Sweet thanks for the tip I'll be sure to try it that way next time
I've always pressed both cups in at the same time. No need to do one at a time. All headset presses are built to do both at the same time.
nice bro, well layed out vid, cant go wrong with a dremel!!! cheers!!
Yup I know my way around some metal lol
thank u for making these video for giving us a knowledge About non-tapered and tapered i was having issues with myself about the frame head tube i have and still not sure what's the right headsets since i wanna go with fox shocks
no problem my friend🤘
Very clear video and great looking bike, thank you. I assume I can leave my old top headset in and just replace the bottom? Dan
As long as it's a 44mm headtube you're golden
Heeeyyy sik stuff bro! 😮 i likey!
Thanks my dude
Hi Ryden, thanks for the great video and sharing to a novice that probably bought a wrong new bike that can only take straight steerer fork 🤧 My frame is mentioned with head tube of "straight pipe 34/44 (inner hole); taper hole 44 (inner hole) ... does it means that it will meet your well appreciated reminder on 44mm from what you had done ? Tks !
Yes it should work broskie👍
@@RydenDirty My bad to have read up wrong model .. mine is 34mm headset looking straight with about 38mm od like below link and guess need frame to explore higher end all tapered fork 🥺. Nevertheless tks for the video and response 🙏
SG$ 108.92 | 34mm Titanium alloy Threadless Headset MTB Road Bike titanium Bicycle Parts Cycling Headsets
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Saw your sticker up in Flagstaff yesterday.
Damn im surprised I didn't see you i was there all day
I have that same Cane Creek headset in my Juiced RCS fat ebike
Nice dude
thanks bro. .
No problem my friend🤟
That's a killer bike bro, nice call on the fork upgrade!
I'm glad I didn't pass it up I would have regretted it lol.
I Wish I could have bike's like that..
Thanks for very informative tutorial..
Watching from phillipines.
Glad you like them! Thanks For Watching🤘
dude ty for showing the box, I was in a rgument on a facebook group where the admin was calling me stupid, cause I said this was possible cant stand mtb snobs.
No worries my dude glad you won lol 👍👍
nice one .. 😎👍
Thanks man 🤟🤟
Wow man! Amazing! What tool did you used to cut the fork? Thank yo
Thank you so much👍 I used a pipe cutter from harbor freight tools. 5 dollar tool
In 3rd world countries people still use straight tube frames but they are not that wide to put that adapter. You have to make them in a lathe . And i haven't seen videos of that.
I wish I still had my lathe to do that. I use to do that with motorcycle steer tubes
@@RydenDirty i wish some brand would make a cone that would fit bellow the frame tube to use tappered fork in those old frames. the risk of breaking the frame in jumps increases but i would still try that at my own risk lol
Top 👍
Thanks my dude
so it’s been a few months and before I go ahead and do this to by xc bike... how’s it ride? I know it fits... but what does the extra 10mm do to the head tube angel? Is the steering still responsive and not slippery?
I didnt feel a difference to be honest. So far so good 👍
Great vid bro! Wich headset did you used to adapt on frame? Need to do the same on my frame to install a tapered fork. Thnx👍
Thanks bro, item is in the description 🤙
How can I know if this will be compatible with my headtube? I have a press fit headset for my straight steer fork. The outside diameter of the headset at the bottom is 44mm, but the inside of the tube appears to be 40ish? Do you know if this would work for me? Thank you. Great vid btw.
Hmm🤔 not 100 percent sure about the top but the bottom should work. Or you could just use the top race you already have and just get the new bottom race and that might work
Badass rig! Sub'd bruhtha! Thanks 🤙
Hells ya thanks brochacho
I got me a mongoose xr pro I'm going to try a 34 fox float there I'll let you know how it goes
Sweet dude
for my nukeproof headset cup that does the same thing i just used a good quality file and took some off, had the same cut mark as this one. i guess its ment to be cut
It’s kinda funny how that worked. The lines were perfect to cut and then it’s gold
Hey man, not sure how much help you could be but I figured I'd give it a shot anyways. I have a 2017 reiliegh tokul 2 that has a non tapered fork.
It says it's a 45 degree upper and 1 - 1/8 . Do you think I could do what you did with the same part you used or if it's even possible? Let me know if some more information would be helpful and I could try and get that to you. Thanks so much and great video!
Here's what I know, if your head tube is 44mm you can do exactly what I did. You can go to crane creek and look and see what they got for headsets. They might have just what you need.
sir,what is the name of tools you use to remove the cup from the head tube.thanks
here you go my dude
www.amazon.com/Goldeal-Bicycle-Headset-Removal-Remover/dp/B07ZVQWSGB/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1CVTQIVH1F9YE&keywords=headset+cup+removal+tool&qid=1668399982&sprefix=headset+cup%2Caps%2C173&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1
is there any way to install tapered fork on 42mm headtube: Spank Tweet Tweet frame or similar....
To be honest I'm not really sure
So you just need to get the EC44/40 bottom to fit the tapered fork? You used the original top from your bike?
I got a whole new headset top and bottom.
Hi! Great vid! I am looking for a solution like this one for a while now!
I am rebuilding a Mongoose Fireball 06 frame which supports only traditional headsets. Is there any option of that adapter that would probably work for me to fit a tapered steerer?
Hey there thanks for watching. And to your question, you need to measure your inner diameter of your head tube. Cane creek might have something in that size
What's the difference between them apart from size ? Is tapered frame stiffer and somehow better ?
To be honest im not sure but my guess would be stiffer.
My 2012 Diamondback Overdrive head tube is too small for a tapered fork to fit into regardless of the bearing adapter. It's difficult to find straight steer forks after a certain price point.
Damn what a drag. But it’s true the options are very limited. Manitou is pretty much the only company producing straight tube forks
Hey I just bought a 1-1/8 - 1.5” tapered rock shox with a 51mm offset forks for my small budget specialized rockhopper 2021 version which is currently on 1-1/8 and an offset of 46mm will this fit if I get the cane creek part? Can anybody help me out with this? Would be very much appreciated
It's all about the head tube. If it's a 44mm opening at the bottom it will work 👍
Im planning on putting a tapered manitou machete on my non tapered mountainpeak frame. Do u think its safe to use on an amateur xc race?
in my opinion yes🤘
Hello. Thanks for a good video. I am about to make a similar modification. I bought a NUKEPROOF NEUTRON BOTTOM HEADSET CUP but I realised there is a gap between the head tube and the bottom cup so I need to cut it. The bottom cup is now resting on a small ledge inside the tube rather than on the lower part of the head tube. How important is the precision? Is it supposed to rest on both the ledge and the bottom or just the bottom? Grateful for any help.
In my opinion I would cut enough off the top or bottom Races so they fit flush to the frame on top and bottom. once you put it all together they aren't going to go anywhere.👍
@@RydenDirty Operation completed. Worked like a charm even tough the cut weren't perfect. 😀
@@danielvernersson1936 awesome my friend glad to hear it all worked out 👍👍
How will this mod hold up, e g wear and tear on the adapter?
Thanks 🥰
Honestly it’s the same as any headset so it should last a long time
I see that you are using koozer hubs bro, do you know how to reduce the resistance on the rear hubs, they have a lot of resistance the hub doesn't want to freewheel, I heard thisis a ccommon issue with the xm 490
Honestly I haven't had any issues to be honest 😕
My question is how do you remove the bottom piece of the cane creek tapered if I want to go back to straight steerer
The tool I use in the video should work
@@RydenDirty I tried it and it’s not working
Was the old fork a markhor? I have same frame hard to get forks for it. Good advice on the new set up. I have a markhor already. All my friends are telling me thet is kind of dangerous riding on that.
Yes it is a markhor. In my opinion its a pretty decent fork. With that being said, I would say for a light not the best rider it a great fork to start with. If you're an advanced rider I wouldn't recommend it because an advanced rider would probably be to hard on it. But I have been using mine for almost a year and I've had no problems with it.
I’m trying to upgrade my old Scott contessa from like 6 years ago. I want a new fork and my dealer told me good luck, you have a straight 1 1/8 tube and is hard to find a fork that size this days. I’m so sad because I really love my bike frame. Should I try this method on my bike?
Absolutely and also there are plenty of companies that make a straight tube and a tapered fork that are the same model. Just pricey
@@RydenDirty Unfortunately lower usd250 ones and not even midend usd500 🤧
Good video, i have the same problem. What is the inner diameter of the headstock? I need something like a bush on the bottomside which is 48 mm and can fit a 40 mm tappered fork, the top side of the fork is 28.6 mm
🤔 I'm not sure
Did you used a top raise before inserting that headset cap?
Not sure what you mean..
Just what I was looking for. . . I think.
Cannondale 1.5" straight steerer, just slap a 44 bearing in the bottom and a 1 1/8 top, right?
If you head tube will fit a 44mm race you're all good
@@RydenDirty Pretty sure. It's funny--everywhere else I've looked has made this a major undertaking with nothing fitting, the sky falling and zombies eating my brains (small enough meal there) whereas it looks as if it's pretty simple and straight forward. Thanks again. Now to start hitting convenience stores to get the money for a fork. . .
I need to do this to my trek marlin backup bike. It has an absolute garbage suntour fork and I'm used to riding a buttery fox float on my real bike.
Hell ya do it
Hey, thanks for the video. Can I install a non tapered fork on a tapered frame?
I believe so. I think you just need a different bearing race like this
cambriabike.com/products/fsa-steel-crown-race-adaptor-1-5-to-1-1-8?variant=13178767605872&adpos=&scid=scplp117719&sc_intid=117719&gclid=CjwKCAjwjJmIBhA4EiwAQdCbxjSi4cwZlAYE1fO-KqOhsFm5Pu7lPwZjXt_SKn8bf41vGYqYJ6MHRxoCbN0QAvD_BwE
This whole new tapered thing is stupid. It's impossible to fix something that's not broken. Just a cash grab in my opinion, I wish mountain bike parts where more standardized rather than less standardized would make things easier. So instead you got trial and error. $$$$
Couldn't agree more, I wish all parts were universal. Took me two weeks to figure out what bottom bracket would work on my used crank I bought.
@@RydenDirty been their brother! 👍
Steering is more responsive and less flex in the front end but i only notice when im chucking down flights of stairs or landing sideways of a jump. 🤷♂️
Met you today bro!!!
Yo what up broskie
Hello bud I'm looking at doing this to my ns suburban due to straight steerer forks being harder to come buy, which model headset did you use as there seems to be lots of options for the 40 series
Think I've worked it out, is it a zs44 to ec44 tapered headset?
Yes thats the one buddy. Just make sure your headtube has 44mm openings
So are there other brands of headset that will work with this setup? It is unclear to me what specific spec is the thing that is making this work? The Cane Creek 40 headset is $85, and comes in about 20 different varieties. For my backup bike, I'm looking for something much cheaper if possible.
Not sure of other brands. But I will say just measure the inner diameter of your head tube and you’ll have your answer🤘
Wow man.. i have a giant talon 1 2018 and is also straight tube and i what to upgrade the fork to a rockshox reba but that fork is tempered. Which cane Creek should i get.
Hey dude, first thing you have to is measure the bottom of your head tube so you can figure out what size it is. For what I did you need a 44mm head tube in order to use the cup I used. 🤘
How do I know which one to get? The website says top, bottom, or complete. I have a specialized rockhopper comp and am wanting to upgrade my fork. Thanks
I would get the whole set. But make sure your head tube is a 44mm inner diameter.
@@RydenDirty ok
I have a 2020 specialized rockhopper and it has a straight steerer fork with a 49 mmm outer diameter on the headset do you know if a tapered fork will fit inside? Thanks for any help.
It should but you have measure the inner diameter
@@RydenDirty it’s 44mm and I think it’s a similar gram to yours. Thanks for the help. 👍
@@largeman0026 then you should be all set
Do you need to buy the top headset also to make this work or will buying just the bottom and using my original top headset work?
You can buy just the bottom
@@RydenDirty thanks man
will it work for a 2018 Diamondback hook
Just depends on the headtube diameter. Needs to be 44mm inner diameter
This is amazing! How do I find out the part number on cane creek, there's so many options
If you email cane creek they can sort you out 🤙
@@RydenDirty nice 1
Hy guys, thanks for your work movie. I was in the mood for one of these upgrade. What do you think, that will be any risk with this operation, if I change same 100mm fork than before just the new fork will be tapered and 15x110mm axle version? Wich risk: cracking or breaking may protrude my straight 1,1/8" headtube wich is 125mm long.
I ask these because the manufacturer says this modification will not be covered by the frame warranty if the frame head tube is damaged after the modification. Do you think it's worth the risk, do I have reason to fear? Incidentally, according to an archive brochure, the model 2 years ago was factory-fitted with such a converter in the frame of the fork.
Sorry for my novel grade question, but your response and post-installation experience would help a lot.
Thanks once and I 👍 your work
I think you should be fine. as long as the head tube is 44mm. technically you're not doing anything to the frame just the headset. so the frame should still be covered.
@@RydenDirty Thanks your answer. It should be still covered, I give you right....but our distribute at home said, with this opretion will lost the cover of my frame. I think due to the increased roughness of the headpiece and fork which can put a heavier load on the headpiece than the smooth straight headpipe versions.
Will it works on my commencal absolut cr-mo? Internal diameter is 42mm...
Only if its a 44mm
You have listed a link to the complete headset, but i dont understand numbers. Which one did you buy?
What you need to do is measure the inner diameter of your head tube. That will give you the answer of what headset to buy. Or you can look up the manufacturer of your frame and they can tell you
@@RydenDirty like when i press on the link there are a bunch of options. Line ec44/30 and so on... Which one did you pick?thx
@@TheCrazyStockholmRider 40-Series -
ZS44/28.6/H8
V EC49/40 -
Complete -
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Remember boys and girls 1:03 this only works on 44mm head tube
But also remember that cane creek has lots of other options too👍
Can you please list the exact product name. Not just the brand. So those of us who want to buy one, know what were looking for. I want to do this to my mountain bike but I want to get it exactly right the first time. Thanks.
There is a link in the description but you will need to figure out your head tube diameter so you can order to buy the right one. And that depends on what frame you have
Great video! A lot easier than my idea I had tossing around lol
Glad I could help my friend 😁
Amazing video super like good luck❗❗❗👍😊🙏👉🔔👌🙌🏼💝💙💛
Thank you so much 😁
What cane creek headset is that?
Canecreek headset
canecreek.com/product/forty/