I didn't even think that this was even possible, untill I accidentally stumbled upon this video. I keep finding nice tapered forks on ebay. I want to convert to through axel, but didn't think it was possible, because almost all the through axel forks are tapered. This "adapter" headset would help me out immensely. This is the kind of valuable information I don't get at any local bike shops. Please keep up the good work. Thank you.
You are very welcome, thank you and remember watching helps us out and so does using affiliate links in the description 😀 Appreciate you stopping by. 👊
Got a tapered shock that couldn't fit into the original frame. Went to ask the mechanic. The mechanic said you have to order the straight type only. I was so stressed out that I posted it for sale and it couldn't sell. Until I saw your video Thank you very much for making this video. Respect 👍👏
I put that headset on my Trek Marlin so I could run the Suntour Axon fork that was tapered as well. 120mm of travel and head angle measured at 67°. The lower bearing cup did sit flush on that frame but im sure you will have zero issue. You guys are always entertaining 😎.
Just installed my first forks yesterday. No real drama, thankfully. Used home-made tools - that involved a lot of machining on lathe and mill. Took pics, so will try to upload something to show how I did the tools. Used 40-grade Cane-Creek parts, and SuperLube grease with Teflon…
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS I was expecting a *lot* of trouble, actually. One trick I have learned was to use *two* Cane Creek cup drivers when pressing in the second instance of cup so you do not have to worry about messing up the one you just installed. I used a piece of rubber as a cushion, which ate the rubber sheet, so the next time I’ll either get another Cane Creek driver (bought from their website; they recommend using them, and I can see why!) or use either a piece of Delrin plastic or Thicker (8+ Oz) Latigo leather.
i just bought that exact bolinas 2 frame for a new build. the headtube angle in stock configuration is 69 degrees with a seat tube angle of 73 degrees. i'll send a photo of the finished build. the tapered fork mod is pretty sick,nice to know that can be done. looks great with the new fork,looking forward to future mods. great video brothers.
Perfect timing on this video. This is something I was considering to breathe some new life into an old project. Oh and if any ebike manufacturers read these comments send these guys a trail and dh rated ebike so they can review it. I'm getting to old to climb up to the trailhead more then once or twice in a day. Want to see a quality review before buying
I knew about the faper (lol) adapter but not this one VERY COOL !!!! Ok TH-cam comment story time....Recently I was at my local bike co op to replace my headset. I had Jessica/sealed bearing/red in hand. With the help of volunteer Amanda, she lubed up Jessica to guide her onto my head tube but Jessica was going on crooked. Thankfully, the guy in the opposite bike stand that was watching us, told Amanda to quit cranking down on Jessica, otherwise she could damage my head tube. Finally, with Jessica straight and re-lubed, with the other guy still watching us, Amanda grabbed my steer tube and carefully slid it into Jessica....true story
Tysm!!! you just saved me thousands dude seriously upgrading my hardtail specialized, and doing forks then front wheel, like buying parts then flipping them top a specialized status 160, so the two most expensive up front, then a month or two later the frame, and back wheel. Going I9 hydras, rode bmx, and played extreme sports for 25 years now. MTB is by far the most fun, and its alot less stress on me compared to bmx dirt jumping. #IDJM #eks #leatt #spy+ #fistgloves
Great video, however I'm looking for info on fitting a tapered fork on my straight frame but my frame's inner headtube measures 34mm... do you know if there are any adapters available ?
Hi Guys, i bought that exact non tapered to tapered headset conversion i'm putting a 150mm Suntour Aion fork (off my giant trance) onto the voodoo hoodoo, its only a 27.5 wheels but i truly cant wait......... great video guys hope that Marin rides real sweet
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS Awe man, i'm still stuck working out i Iraq until the 1st when i get out of this place (& home to Blighty), I'm only home for 3 weeks this time too before i return to the sand box.... but i will if all things go to plan try get the frame Wrap done and the forks fitted, if so i will take a pic n post it here if i can attach a link defo cant wait though. i just hope i dont hash up this wrap its a black smock camo design and if i can nail that then the fork and hole for the internal dropper will get done too. I am hoping that my next rotational leave will get this project done and dusted, turning the Voodoo Hoodoo into a sort of slack Geo trail hardtail ...... On the uphand the I will be bringing or rather trying to take my LUTU 120mm air forks, Wake handlebars and stem, and head set back out to Iraq to try do a "In Camp Special" from one of the cheap bikes they have out here..... we will see plus it gives me something to train skills on in the evenings THAT is if the Iraqi police don't confiscate it them on arrival in Basra, as they aint the .... lets say most "Honest" or "Un-corrupt" police force there is..... we will see. Cant wait for your next one guys you guys really help me get through working out here .... well done fellas
7:35 shorter exist, this cup does not fit this frame, it should be flush, all the way in, It should not be used like this. you need to get the correct cup with shorter internal part. Most brands have it, I know these brands have it: Chris king, Hope, Nukeproof, FSA, these are just few that come to mind.
I've seen someone get one of those adapters (a cane creek one) and hacksaw a few mm off the bottom cup and it fit perfectly flush to the frame. Always enjoy watching your videos 😍
2:25 technically it's not an adapter. correct term is external lower headset cup. An adapter adapts something, as in it's not compatible but the adapter makes it compatible, but many bikes come with external cups.
Just a side note, Cane Creek makes an adapter as well, the bottom cup is much shorter so the insertion will be flush to the frame! SO stoked to see you guys get this done
yeah i wonder why FSA makes the bottom cup so tall. I have a regular 38mm FSA headset and my bottom cup also has a gap in between the cup and headtube.
I have a 44mm straight steer tube on my Ripcurrent S fat ebike. I upgraded the straight fork and headset. The headset I got is a Cane Creek ZS44/28.6 with an EC44/30 crown race. If I ever want a to upgrade to a tapered fork, I just need to buy the Cane Creek 52/40 crown race and it will work with the headset.
hello again So rewatch this video again cuz I am wanting to convert both my Mongoose PRO 29" and my 27.5" Conorado NISKI too ROCK SHOX 15x110 BOOST setups on both of these bikes. I remenber seeing you do this Cuz these 2 bike need a better front supsention cuz what I have now are not working very well for me now. Also both of there headset take a 44mm cup size cuz I am running a FSA Orbit MX 1-1/8" type on them as of now. so THX again for doing this CUZ now I can upgrade these 2 bike too have a better Mnt. bike riding time.
Nice setup, but can you put also a tapered steerer in a straight headtube who was fitted with 1-1/8" (34mm) headset bearings ? Perhaps the video title missed the real size of the headtube on the Marin ? Straight headtubes are not a standard.
Hey, thanks for the comment. You know we are not aware of a 34mm adapter to fit a tapered steerer tube. The Marin ks a 44mm as I am sure you are aware.... not sure of we mentioned it?
Ran one of these adaptors on my wifes old hard tail fuji bike and it worked out great the only reason i think ppl freak out about not having a tapered headtube is bc its a bit of an inconvenience to replace the fork bc non tapered forks are becoming harder to find in shops
The example in this video is using an adapter to fit a tapered fork into a 11/4" headtube. Is it possible to stick a tapered fork into the old standard 1 1/8" headtubes?
I just did the same thing to my 2015 Specialized Rockhopper using the Cane Creek adapter. I picked up a Rockshox XC32 and a wheelset with tires at a bike swap meet for $30. The Headset adapter cost more than the rest of the parts.
Having said that, even though I saw someone trim the bottom cup and it did fit flush to the flame and seemed good I have no idea if it held up over time 😅 I love that you test these products for us and we all learn together 💪
Mr Jo!! Hey brother, ended using your chainring on Veronica Build!! I am sire you seen and thanks for that!! Also we have got to shave down the excess for sure, good looking out and thank you for the comment man.
Could you help be with a trek marlin 5??? What exactly would I need to put tapered forks onto my straight steer bike??? What are the part numbers I would need?
Well Justyn, is your headtube 44mm? If not then you cannot, but if it is...Good news, we have affiliate links for the headset. So headset and a tapered fork 👍 Then a wheel based upon your selection
This arrangement never seemed like an ''adapter'' to me. It's relatively common on newer road/track bikes top have a 44mm headtube with a 1.5 inch tapered fork. The lower assembly ends up being external cup like here becasue the crown ''race'' diamter is 40mm, which doesn't leave enough room for a bearing within the 44mm headtuve ID. It's actually my favourite headset/fork setup, to have a 44mm headtube with 1.5 inch tapered steerer. I'd like to have this on a custom road bike at some point. You can also put a straight 1 1/8'' fork in there with a reducer adapter.
I'm finally building up a frame I've had for a while and it needs an adapter like this too. I find it kinda funny that the bike you're trying this out on is a Marin and the one I'm putting it on is a Marlin😅
I did the same with my Specialized, tapered fork onto a straight steerer, I used a risk headset as they make an adapted one to do this (or at least they used to). It adds a little extra height to the front of the bike, plus I put 120mm forks rather than 100mm, but I've not really noticed any difference in handling. You should of asked, I could've told you all about it 😂😂😂 Im not sure I like the gap between the cup and the steerer tube, I think I would get a machine shop to buzz the top off it so it fits in tightly Interested to hear your thoughts after you've ridden it. Great video Take care guys 👍😎🍻
For sure Dan, we should of called you first!! 🤣🤣😜 I'm wondering how it will be too, I'm sure it won't be too crazy. 🤔 But I could be wrong, also gonna trim the excess👍
Thank you at this moment I had bought the bicycle fork I had said that I got the wrong size instead there are also adapters specifically for this. Ps; now I delete it from the sales ad!
You should put a 27.5 rear wheel on Ole cheech. This is referred to as a mullet bike. You might really like the flickability and stance it puts you in.
Right now I'm riding suntour forks non tapered I was really wanting foxforks till I realized there all tapered then my alternative forks were going to be rockshox Judy forks but now I seen this video I'm probably going to get foxforks but I will have to convert my front hub from a qwick release axle to a thru axle hub.
Hi, I hope you answer me soon I wanted to ask you can you tell me what size is the straight reed of the SCHWINN timber trail ALX since I bought and I’m doing an upgrade I wanted to ask if the conical thickness would be okay! Thank you in advance, greetings from Italy.
Hi . What's the model of that adapter . I see it is FSA but what model is this ? Need help , cause i want change my fork from straight to tapered. I have Marin bobcat trail bike , so i guess that adapter will be perfect for my problem?
Man bad news or good news first??? OK so you can do exactly this ! But not with a jessica....But more good news check the affiliate links in the description!! Lol
This is how I what me and my sons to be when they are order they're 10 and 7 ATM the 7 is a keen bike and the 10 does like to ride but does share the passion
Man itvtakes a lot of work and it's obviously not all fun and games!! LOL But we hope hope as well, we are truly each other's best friends.Thanks for the awesome comment
So... I got a 26 inch K2 Nomad 3.0 that I was HOPING to put a used 29er tapered fork on... I was able to get the bearing race cups out of the frame....and that doggone taper is STILL so wide where I don't think it will work. 😢 So I have a fork and some tires for sale and I'll probably be looking for a used Judy or something....
Is there any video on other way around? I have straight fork and tapered headtube, and have to replace whole headset, becaus eberings i have there, dont exist anywhere to buy anymore.
Are you just going to leave that gap between the headtube and lower cup? That's how headtubes get cracked. If the cup is too long and won't let it seat then use a dremel to trim it down an 1/8 of an inch or so
Well you better fix the the gap in the lower head tube, I would take it back a part and grind ( Saw) the lower headset cup down, you want no gap. if you don't fix it your going to bend the lower cup
Agree totally with the is the gap is not good, the headset cup could bend as suggested or the internal lip inside the head tube could let go… most likely outcome is the first few big impacts will ram the cup into the head tube past the little lip, and because the diameter is less you could crack the head tube = dead bike 😭 Pop it back out and measure the inside insertion depth and cut the cup down please!
If you look closely they come with a line already grooved around the internal facing this is for the two different headtube bore depths. You cut along the line.
I got a fsa headset for my gt aggressor pro and also tried to center it, but eventually said screw it since it kept turning while trying to press it in. Mine also has a little bit of a gap in between the cup and and headtube although not as big as the gap on yours, it almost makes me wonder if we could file it down a bit to make it fit tighter because with my ocd it does annoy me a bit, but mine was a regular straight steerer headset, sorry Jason and Jessica.
Hi guys, I've got a Cannondale F5 and I'm finding it real hard to find new top and bottom bearings, I've already got FSA cups top and bottom, im not to good with bikes and numbers 😂 but I need 50mm bearings. Does that sound right to you guys? And if so could you please let me know where i can get a set please guys, thanks guys 🙏🏻
Hey brother, now we have looked up the bike and see everything from a 44mm to a tapered. What are your cup sizes? Bottom should be a 34,44,55 or 56. And upper?
You said you don't get suplimentary comments, so i made it a new one. A longer fork or making a mullet doesn't change the architecture of the frame. BB drop is a hardware thing. A longer fork effects stability but it's constantly moving. Making a bike a mullet reaks havoc with a bikes geometry (unless it was designed that way) but doesn't change BB drop from a frame standpoint. Think of it as leverage over the bike when your standing on the pedals. No matter what fork or wheels are on it it's a fixed point of leverage acting over the frame. So is it a deal breaker loosing 4mm of bottom bracket drop? One side of the room you have stability, the other side you have sensitivity to rider input. You may like the higher BB drop better! Just my opinion!
Risk make a headset that will work well with the Marin straight tube when converting to a tapered fork . The recess being not deep enough is a common issue .
I don't know about that? it seems like if you can put a bike together out of the box you should be able to make a simple driveline adjustment?! if not take it to your local bike shop to make sure it's safe (big box right!) to ride and everything works correctly?!
Well out of the box I can see were you are coming from, but most will buy at the store. And I seriously doubt walmart employees do not tune it in. So we just want to show what to expect for most. Thanks for the comment 👍
I was so sad when I found out my 2010 Stumpy with an integrated headset can't accommodate one of those cups so I'm pretty screwed gonna see if I can convert my Talas 32 140mm fork to a Float with Risse Racing. We'll see, hopefully it'll last a while like that.
I have a GT Aggressor with 80mm a travel fork. Been reading upgrades should be no more than 20mm from factory because it’s more stress on the steer tube and changes geometry. What was your experience with having a 120mm on a bike meant for 80mm?
You got it right! it looks sharp the color combos on this bike with the fork are sweet! I did a ledge x 1 video and also I got me a wheelmaster 27.5 wheel I am making my gravity fsx 1.0 a mullet bike I tried my ledge X1 front wheel up front and man it rolled over everything so much smoother than my 26" wheel did. Go test that new set up out I hope it works for ya!
Cheech is looking spiffy!! A new set of Clarks rotors would look nice on him. Nice Major League hat Wolfman is sporting in this one. Someone is gonna send you guys "The Clapper™" !
Hahaha that's hilarious! Thanks man, my buddy got me the Major League hat in St. Louis. We gotta fix that dang adapter, and then we will take a look at the brakes. Thanks buddy🥰👍
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS That's one heck of a buddy! Messing with brakes is fun, I finally put hydraulics on my 29er and had to order another kit for a bleed screw, hopefully it's the right size screw. Have a fun weekend and get out there and shred!!
Well that worked only cause that headtube was big to begin with. Before there were tapered steerer tubes there were straight 1 1/2” steerers. So the old headset was a reducer OR the zero stack hight jobbies...
Gotta do something about that gap between the head tube and lower cup. It will end up disastrous for the bike and possibly disastrous for you, my friend.
I'm using a tapered fork on a regular 1 1/8 straight headtube. I let the bottom 11/8 race drop as far as it would go on the tapered headtube. Then I dropped the headtube on to the tapered steertube. Seems to work fine.
Shoot, the lower external FSA cup is too tall for that bike as there should be no gap. There is a groove on inside of headtube and it isn’t deep enough for the FSA lower cup to sit flush. That needs to be flush, I suppose it could maybe be cut or machined down but I don’t think you want to ride it like that. I saw someone install the Funn lower external cup in Marin Bobcat and it sat flush. That was one I was going to try and send but it was sadly currently unavailable. Cheech is looking sweet though! Would look sharp with few blue accents….maybe pedals and stem 🤔Lol
11:16 don't measure at the head tube as the head tube can be tapered externally, so it will give slacker angle than it actually is, it's best to measure at the station or the fork legs at a straight area.
I believe that’s not accurate because forks have offsets and if you measure off the fork it will be a slightly different head angle. They measured correctly
@@josuemedina58 The reality is that some frames (most these days) have tapered headtubes externally and you'll get an incorrect angle. And some forks are not parallel to the steer tube, so you may also get an inaccurate angle. But most forks, even when offset, are still parallel to the steer tube. You can prove this by measuring the headtube angle, then rotate the bars 180 degrees and measure again. If the measurement is the same, then your forks are parallel with the steer tube. (Also a good way to check for a bent fork!)
You could have reamed out that 1/4”... I reamed my 26.8 seat tube to 27.2 for a PNW Coast post. Think the ream was around $40. So a 1 1/2 is maybe twice the price ?...
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS Yeh, though it was a 26.8 seatpost, it took a 31.8 collar, like other 27.2’s, it think...and yes it was a little scary. I might have destroyed what was a $589 2006 Banshee Scirocco frame. It’s extremely over-built and looks like it will last forever. I got one of the last good forks with a straight 1 1/8 steerer. A Manitou Circus Expert. A 130mm dirt jump fork that your dad couldn’t bottom out. And a bargain @ $400...
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now i can put an expensive fork on my 98 dollar mountain bike
or a used decent fork on a cheap mountain bike
Dreams sometimes come true 😅 lol!
I didn't even think that this was even possible, untill I accidentally stumbled upon this video. I keep finding nice tapered forks on ebay. I want to convert to through axel, but didn't think it was possible, because almost all the through axel forks are tapered. This "adapter" headset would help me out immensely. This is the kind of valuable information I don't get at any local bike shops. Please keep up the good work. Thank you.
You are very welcome, thank you and remember watching helps us out and so does using affiliate links in the description 😀 Appreciate you stopping by. 👊
Got a tapered shock that couldn't fit into the original frame. Went to ask the mechanic. The mechanic said you have to order the straight type only. I was so stressed out that I posted it for sale and it couldn't sell. Until I saw your video Thank you very much for making this video. Respect 👍👏
I saw a guy trim the extra off of the bottom cup and it worked and looked great. good job!
I put that headset on my Trek Marlin so I could run the Suntour Axon fork that was tapered as well. 120mm of travel and head angle measured at 67°. The lower bearing cup did sit flush on that frame but im sure you will have zero issue. You guys are always entertaining 😎.
Chris thanks for saying that, it means a lot to the both of us brother. Hope it goes well, we will be shaving it down a bit 👍
question i have a trek marlin 8 do you think this headset will fit on my bike so i can use a tapered fork like the one you said
I have the trek Marin 4 will this work for me two
Just installed my first forks yesterday. No real drama, thankfully.
Used home-made tools - that involved a lot of machining on lathe and mill. Took pics, so will try to upload something to show how I did the tools.
Used 40-grade Cane-Creek parts, and SuperLube grease with Teflon…
Hell Yeah!! WOLFTICK THRU AND THRU🤘🤘🤘 SHOCKED there was no drama!! LOL
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS I was expecting a *lot* of trouble, actually.
One trick I have learned was to use *two* Cane Creek cup drivers when pressing in the second instance of cup so you do not have to worry about messing up the one you just installed.
I used a piece of rubber as a cushion, which ate the rubber sheet, so the next time I’ll either get another Cane Creek driver (bought from their website; they recommend using them, and I can see why!) or use either a piece of Delrin plastic or Thicker (8+ Oz) Latigo leather.
i just bought that exact bolinas 2 frame for a new build. the headtube angle in stock configuration is 69 degrees with a seat tube angle of 73 degrees. i'll send a photo of the finished build. the tapered fork mod is pretty sick,nice to know that can be done. looks great with the new fork,looking forward to future mods. great video brothers.
Thanks a bunch man, that's funny you've got the same bike!! AWESOME, now we can build them together ❤ later brother and see you on the next🤘👊
Perfect timing on this video. This is something I was considering to breathe some new life into an old project. Oh and if any ebike manufacturers read these comments send these guys a trail and dh rated ebike so they can review it. I'm getting to old to climb up to the trailhead more then once or twice in a day. Want to see a quality review before buying
You can get a good Haibike, Cube (FS) or any of the better hardtail emtbs that will hold up well.
Foggy, thank you so much for that comment brother. That's very cool of youbto say, I would love to review a real mountain bike ebike!!
I knew about the faper (lol) adapter but not this one VERY COOL !!!! Ok TH-cam comment story time....Recently I was at my local bike co op to replace my headset. I had Jessica/sealed bearing/red in hand. With the help of volunteer Amanda, she lubed up Jessica to guide her onto my head tube but Jessica was going on crooked. Thankfully, the guy in the opposite bike stand that was watching us, told Amanda to quit cranking down on Jessica, otherwise she could damage my head tube. Finally, with Jessica straight and re-lubed, with the other guy still watching us, Amanda grabbed my steer tube and carefully slid it into Jessica....true story
🤣🤣🤣 Oh my god, what a story and I am gonna need some footage! I want all the angles 😉
Tysm!!! you just saved me thousands dude seriously upgrading my hardtail specialized, and doing forks then front wheel, like buying parts then flipping them top a specialized status 160, so the two most expensive up front, then a month or two later the frame, and back wheel. Going I9 hydras, rode bmx, and played extreme sports for 25 years now. MTB is by far the most fun, and its alot less stress on me compared to bmx dirt jumping. #IDJM #eks #leatt #spy+ #fistgloves
Great video, however I'm looking for info on fitting a tapered fork on my straight frame but my frame's inner headtube measures 34mm... do you know if there are any adapters available ?
There are not for a 34, we do have a video explaining and using a tapered n a 44mm with adapter.
Hi Guys, i bought that exact non tapered to tapered headset conversion i'm putting a 150mm Suntour Aion fork (off my giant trance) onto the voodoo hoodoo, its only a 27.5 wheels but i truly cant wait......... great video guys hope that Marin rides real sweet
Thanks Phil, how did it go??
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS Awe man, i'm still stuck working out i Iraq until the 1st when i get out of this place (& home to Blighty), I'm only home for 3 weeks this time too before i return to the sand box.... but i will if all things go to plan try get the frame Wrap done and the forks fitted, if so i will take a pic n post it here if i can attach a link defo cant wait though. i just hope i dont hash up this wrap its a black smock camo design and if i can nail that then the fork and hole for the internal dropper will get done too. I am hoping that my next rotational leave will get this project done and dusted, turning the Voodoo Hoodoo into a sort of slack Geo trail hardtail ......
On the uphand the I will be bringing or rather trying to take my LUTU 120mm air forks, Wake handlebars and stem, and head set back out to Iraq to try do a "In Camp Special" from one of the cheap bikes they have out here..... we will see plus it gives me something to train skills on in the evenings THAT is if the Iraqi police don't confiscate it them on arrival in Basra, as they aint the .... lets say most "Honest" or "Un-corrupt" police force there is..... we will see.
Cant wait for your next one guys you guys really help me get through working out here .... well done fellas
7:35 shorter exist, this cup does not fit this frame, it should be flush, all the way in, It should not be used like this. you need to get the correct cup with shorter internal part. Most brands have it, I know these brands have it: Chris king, Hope, Nukeproof, FSA, these are just few that come to mind.
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@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS you can save it for another build. Maybe it fits a different frame.
Yep, this video should not be used as a “how to” the interface is wrong.
Very nice! New to me parts.... Love your enthusiasm. Keeps everyone coming back for more. Have a safe weekend boys.
Greg thank you for the awesome comment. That means alot from someone who has been around for as long as you have.
I've seen someone get one of those adapters (a cane creek one) and hacksaw a few mm off the bottom cup and it fit perfectly flush to the frame.
Always enjoy watching your videos 😍
Joe, that is exactly what we will do, thanks brother. Always nice to see ya in the comments 👍
2:25 technically it's not an adapter. correct term is external lower headset cup.
An adapter adapts something, as in it's not compatible but the adapter makes it compatible, but many bikes come with external cups.
GOTCHA....
Just a side note, Cane Creek makes an adapter as well, the bottom cup is much shorter so the insertion will be flush to the frame! SO stoked to see you guys get this done
yeah i wonder why FSA makes the bottom cup so tall. I have a regular 38mm FSA headset and my bottom cup also has a gap in between the cup and headtube.
Absolutely brother, we mentioned that in the video, we will most likely shave down the excess!👍👍😆 Thanks Dude
@@NonLegitNation2 better to offer it long and let the end user trim i guess
Would you mind linking the cane creek adapter??
What’s the name of the cane creek one?
Officer Tick! That Suntour fork looks sharp on any bike. It has that color scheme that just pops.
That will be a big 10-4 😎👮♂️
I have a 44mm straight steer tube on my Ripcurrent S fat ebike. I upgraded the straight fork and headset. The headset I got is a Cane Creek ZS44/28.6 with an EC44/30 crown race. If I ever want a to upgrade to a tapered fork, I just need to buy the Cane Creek 52/40 crown race and it will work with the headset.
Sounds right👍👍👍
hello again So rewatch this video again cuz I am wanting to convert both my Mongoose PRO 29" and my 27.5" Conorado NISKI too ROCK SHOX 15x110 BOOST setups on both of these bikes. I remenber seeing you do this Cuz these 2 bike need a better front supsention cuz what I have now are not working very well for me now. Also both of there headset take a 44mm cup size cuz I am running a FSA Orbit MX 1-1/8" type on them as of now. so THX again for doing this CUZ now I can upgrade these 2 bike too have a better Mnt. bike riding time.
8:05 what does that do? Cause I didn't do that when I installed my fork
That was awesome. I did not know those adapters existed. Now to see how it holds up!
🤣🤣 YES SIR, WE SHALL FINDOUT TOGETHER!!
Nice setup, but can you put also a tapered steerer in a straight headtube who was fitted with 1-1/8" (34mm) headset bearings ? Perhaps the video title missed the real size of the headtube on the Marin ? Straight headtubes are not a standard.
Hey, thanks for the comment. You know we are not aware of a 34mm adapter to fit a tapered steerer tube. The Marin ks a 44mm as I am sure you are aware.... not sure of we mentioned it?
Looks good!
Kevin has purpose for everything he buys!!
Hey we love that about him, he totally thinks things out!!
Ran one of these adaptors on my wifes old hard tail fuji bike and it worked out great the only reason i think ppl freak out about not having a tapered headtube is bc its a bit of an inconvenience to replace the fork bc non tapered forks are becoming harder to find in shops
Absolutely man, also trying to find a tapered fork with a qr!! LOL MANITOU!!
1:25 you guys beat me to that. Have had 2 adapter for over a year and no bike, good job
HA ha ha! It's all Kevin brother 👍👍🙏
The example in this video is using an adapter to fit a tapered fork into a 11/4" headtube. Is it possible to stick a tapered fork into the old standard 1 1/8" headtubes?
Can't believe you guys do not have 100k subs.
I just did the same thing to my 2015 Specialized Rockhopper using the Cane Creek adapter. I picked up a Rockshox XC32 and a wheelset with tires at a bike swap meet for $30. The Headset adapter cost more than the rest of the parts.
Now those are the deals we like!! LOL Nicely done 👍👍👍
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS Thanks! Out here in Colorado people change bike components like most people change underwear so there are deals to be had. ;)
What’s the name of the cane creek adapter?
Used a few of these now and as long as your headtube diameter is correct you are gold. Bike is looking good!
Appreciate ya Chicken Sendies! 🐔 Noce to see ya man
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS I try to stop in when I can.... Sorry it has not been more lately. You guys are killing it like usual 😁😁😁
Having said that, even though I saw someone trim the bottom cup and it did fit flush to the flame and seemed good I have no idea if it held up over time 😅
I love that you test these products for us and we all learn together 💪
Mr Jo!! Hey brother, ended using your chainring on Veronica Build!! I am sire you seen and thanks for that!! Also we have got to shave down the excess for sure, good looking out and thank you for the comment man.
Could you help be with a trek marlin 5??? What exactly would I need to put tapered forks onto my straight steer bike??? What are the part numbers I would need?
Well Justyn, is your headtube 44mm? If not then you cannot, but if it is...Good news, we have affiliate links for the headset. So headset and a tapered fork 👍 Then a wheel based upon your selection
This arrangement never seemed like an ''adapter'' to me. It's relatively common on newer road/track bikes top have a 44mm headtube with a 1.5 inch tapered fork. The lower assembly ends up being external cup like here becasue the crown ''race'' diamter is 40mm, which doesn't leave enough room for a bearing within the 44mm headtuve ID. It's actually my favourite headset/fork setup, to have a 44mm headtube with 1.5 inch tapered steerer. I'd like to have this on a custom road bike at some point. You can also put a straight 1 1/8'' fork in there with a reducer adapter.
Absolutely man, is there any road bikes with a tapered headtube?
Fork looks great on the bike. Also, that new logo on the back wall is nice. You gotta get it on some merch!
🙏🙏🙏 Man got merch!!! Also that sign was an awesome gift from Big Sis Brandi!! Loving it, thanks for noticing.
I'm finally building up a frame I've had for a while and it needs an adapter like this too. I find it kinda funny that the bike you're trying this out on is a Marin and the one I'm putting it on is a Marlin😅
Hey Josie, oh my gosh that's funny! Now go buy that adapter👍👍👍 Great to see you here
I did the same with my Specialized, tapered fork onto a straight steerer, I used a risk headset as they make an adapted one to do this (or at least they used to). It adds a little extra height to the front of the bike, plus I put 120mm forks rather than 100mm, but I've not really noticed any difference in handling. You should of asked, I could've told you all about it 😂😂😂
Im not sure I like the gap between the cup and the steerer tube, I think I would get a machine shop to buzz the top off it so it fits in tightly
Interested to hear your thoughts after you've ridden it. Great video
Take care guys 👍😎🍻
For sure Dan, we should of called you first!! 🤣🤣😜 I'm wondering how it will be too, I'm sure it won't be too crazy. 🤔 But I could be wrong, also gonna trim the excess👍
Fsa is a set really smooth when you are riding .bike looks very nice with that fork hope it rides well 👍
We hope so as well, it is super cool to have some options like this.
Righteous upgrade guys we’ll see how it works 😀😀👍👍
Hopefully well!! Thanks for the view as always and man, what a cool design!! Later Guys!!
Thank you at this moment I had bought the bicycle fork I had said that I got the wrong size instead there are also adapters specifically for this.
Ps; now I delete it from the sales ad!
Good job.A new headset is always a good upgrade. Your new Wolf Tick sign looks great, now you just need to have it illuminated somehow........
It has different colored lights behind it. With the light setup they use for filming, it's hard to see the light on (blue one in this video)
Thanks brother, now please look closely!!!! BLUE BABY!!!
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS I see it now. Old eyes sorry.......
You should put a 27.5 rear wheel on Ole cheech. This is referred to as a mullet bike. You might really like the flickability and stance it puts you in.
Right now I'm riding suntour forks non tapered I was really wanting foxforks till I realized there all tapered then my alternative forks were going to be rockshox Judy forks but now I seen this video I'm probably going to get foxforks but I will have to convert my front hub from a qwick release axle to a thru axle hub.
Good luck brother 👊
Hi, I hope you answer me soon I wanted to ask you can you tell me what size is the straight reed of the SCHWINN timber trail ALX since I bought and I’m doing an upgrade I wanted to ask if the conical thickness would be okay! Thank you in advance, greetings from Italy.
Hi . What's the model of that adapter . I see it is FSA but what model is this ? Need help , cause i want change my fork from straight to tapered. I have Marin bobcat trail bike , so i guess that adapter will be perfect for my problem?
I’ve got a 44mm head tube and I’m trying to get the correct Jessica headset to do the tapered fork swap also any help would be awesome thanks !
Man bad news or good news first??? OK so you can do exactly this ! But not with a jessica....But more good news check the affiliate links in the description!! Lol
Marin looking good
Absolutely man, after we try the fork we will put some more time I him👍👍👍🤜
This is how I what me and my sons to be when they are order they're 10 and 7 ATM the 7 is a keen bike and the 10 does like to ride but does share the passion
Man itvtakes a lot of work and it's obviously not all fun and games!! LOL But we hope hope as well, we are truly each other's best friends.Thanks for the awesome comment
some higher end frame use that style headset also, I'm going to need one around the end of July
Well Keo, we do have affiliate links!!! LOL Thanks brother 👍
So... I got a 26 inch K2 Nomad 3.0 that I was HOPING to put a used 29er tapered fork on... I was able to get the bearing race cups out of the frame....and that doggone taper is STILL so wide where I don't think it will work. 😢 So I have a fork and some tires for sale and I'll probably be looking for a used Judy or something....
I have the same headset on my honzo with straight steer tube. That bottom cup has to go up all the way or you will ovalise the head tube.
Gotcha, appreciate the input man. We have fixed it and hopefully you tune in for the next video👍 We talk about it!!
Is there any video on other way around?
I have straight fork and tapered headtube, and have to replace whole headset, becaus eberings i have there, dont exist anywhere to buy anymore.
Are you just going to leave that gap between the headtube and lower cup? That's how headtubes get cracked. If the cup is too long and won't let it seat then use a dremel to trim it down an 1/8 of an inch or so
Hey brother, not gonna keep it like that. We will be shaving down some excess material for sure.
Well you better fix the the gap in the lower head tube, I would take it back a part and grind ( Saw) the lower headset cup down, you want no gap. if you don't fix it your going to bend the lower cup
Agree totally with the is the gap is not good, the headset cup could bend as suggested or the internal lip inside the head tube could let go… most likely outcome is the first few big impacts will ram the cup into the head tube past the little lip, and because the diameter is less you could crack the head tube = dead bike 😭
Pop it back out and measure the inside insertion depth and cut the cup down please!
Thanks Keith, appreciate that man. We will be doing that before the Realtime Review. 👍
If you look closely they come with a line already grooved around the internal facing this is for the two different headtube bore depths. You cut along the line.
Would tapered forks fit diamondback heist 2.0 2018 straight headtube? I hope so please let me know
Unfortunately the headtube looks to be a 34mm to 34mm. So.....sorry man, it's not gonna work.
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS I don’t think so coz integrated headtube. I think u may be wrong
If it's a 44mm-44mm you can adapt a tapered fork but if it is a 34mm you can't.
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS Have a look on google diamondback heist 2.0 2018 in bright yellow/green colour and let me know?
I just wanted to ask, is the Hope bottom headset H EC44/40 designed to adapt a tapered fork to a straight headset as well?
I got a fsa headset for my gt aggressor pro and also tried to center it, but eventually said screw it since it kept turning while trying to press it in. Mine also has a little bit of a gap in between the cup and and headtube although not as big as the gap on yours, it almost makes me wonder if we could file it down a bit to make it fit tighter because with my ocd it does annoy me a bit, but mine was a regular straight steerer headset, sorry Jason and Jessica.
🤣🤣🤣😆😆 Love it man, and we will be right there with ya, totally gonna shave it down a little because the non flush Ness. 😳
Is there a tapered option for the GT Agressor pro?
Nah, it's a 34mm and that's a bummer....Maybe oneday?
Cool video i love it when us ukers get a shout out didn't know that was possible look forward to the e11 real time review
😁😁😁🤣 Damn Dan, you truly take it all in!! LOL Thanks man, appreciate all you UKERS 🇬🇧
Need this for my Marlin 8, will 140 mm be too much ?
Hi guy's. I tought hearing the FSA adapter number on your video but seems like not. Can you provide me the FSA adapter model number please? Thanks!
Here is an affiliate link brother 44-44 FSA ADAPTER
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Hi guys, I've got a Cannondale F5 and I'm finding it real hard to find new top and bottom bearings, I've already got FSA cups top and bottom, im not to good with bikes and numbers 😂 but I need 50mm bearings. Does that sound right to you guys? And if so could you please let me know where i can get a set please guys, thanks guys 🙏🏻
Hey brother, now we have looked up the bike and see everything from a 44mm to a tapered. What are your cup sizes? Bottom should be a 34,44,55 or 56. And upper?
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS I'm not sure but I'm sending pic's with this buddy, hope they help
You said you don't get suplimentary comments, so i made it a new one. A longer fork or making a mullet doesn't change the architecture of the frame. BB drop is a hardware thing. A longer fork effects stability but it's constantly moving. Making a bike a mullet reaks havoc with a bikes geometry (unless it was designed that way) but doesn't change BB drop from a frame standpoint. Think of it as leverage over the bike when your standing on the pedals. No matter what fork or wheels are on it it's a fixed point of leverage acting over the frame. So is it a deal breaker loosing 4mm of bottom bracket drop? One side of the room you have stability, the other side you have sensitivity to rider input. You may like the higher BB drop better! Just my opinion!
So is the bike lighter with the new fork on it or does it wear the same❤️👍✌️
Man it's gotta be lighter, the old fork is an anchor!
My polygon premier 5 has 44/30 semi integrated headset if I was to go tapered fork I'd need a new headset as is but i get my shop to do it
Absolutely man
Is it works on 45 45 BMX std on my tonic fabrication frame Howie v2?
Risk make a headset that will work well with the Marin straight tube when converting to a tapered fork .
The recess being not deep enough is a common issue .
Gotcha, we have since grounded it level and now it fits perfect, thanks man
That is a beautiful bike!! But... you have to do something about that space in the bottom of the headtube, like Keith said.
By far my favorite bike on your channel! Have been looking at that brand for a while now and have to say I'm inspired!
Thanks brother and yes, we will be removing some material👍
I don't know about that? it seems like if you can put a bike together out of the box you should be able to make a simple driveline adjustment?! if not take it to your local bike shop to make sure it's safe (big box right!) to ride and everything works correctly?!
oops!!...sorry this comment is for the Kent real time review
Well out of the box I can see were you are coming from, but most will buy at the store. And I seriously doubt walmart employees do not tune it in. So we just want to show what to expect for most. Thanks for the comment 👍
cane creek offers a shorter bottom cup to mitigate the gap issue
Thanks brother, you know we will be sharing off some excess. Appreciate the heads up
I was so sad when I found out my 2010 Stumpy with an integrated headset can't accommodate one of those cups so I'm pretty screwed gonna see if I can convert my Talas 32 140mm fork to a Float with Risse Racing. We'll see, hopefully it'll last a while like that.
Diego, that's a bummer man! 😕 we have been there time and time again, glad you are gonna try and make something work 💪
Hi....how about, 34mm to tapered, is it possible?
Will this work with Marin Fairfax 2?
Where can i find those adapters?
I have a GT Aggressor with 80mm a travel fork. Been reading upgrades should be no more than 20mm from factory because it’s more stress on the steer tube and changes geometry. What was your experience with having a 120mm on a bike meant for 80mm?
got same head tube diameter as yours want to buy new tepered fork should I buy new crown and new headset?
You got it right! it looks sharp the color combos on this bike with the fork are sweet! I did a ledge x 1 video and also I got me a wheelmaster 27.5 wheel I am making my gravity fsx 1.0 a mullet bike I tried my ledge X1 front wheel up front and man it rolled over everything so much smoother than my 26" wheel did. Go test that new set up out I hope it works for ya!
Awesome to hear your experiences! Now we have to head over and watch the Ledge Video!! Thanks brother, we will head over soon.
Agree with the others, no gap on lower cup. Needs 2-3mm off the top. Fiddly job tho
It should be lot's of fun😉🤣👍
You’ll desire a lathe…
Hii...can you share link for the purchase...my bike is Marin bobcat trail 4
Please look in the videos description.
Cheech is looking spiffy!! A new set of Clarks rotors would look nice on him. Nice Major League hat Wolfman is sporting in this one. Someone is gonna send you guys "The Clapper™" !
Hahaha that's hilarious! Thanks man, my buddy got me the Major League hat in St. Louis. We gotta fix that dang adapter, and then we will take a look at the brakes. Thanks buddy🥰👍
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS That's one heck of a buddy! Messing with brakes is fun, I finally put hydraulics on my 29er and had to order another kit for a bleed screw, hopefully it's the right size screw. Have a fun weekend and get out there and shred!!
Seems like you could still do this with a 34/44 head tube, just use the bottom half of the adapter.
guys any info on the adapters gap?? did it hold up after use?
It might be possible but you probably need a tapered lower cup to.make it fit
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can you guys please put another schwinn rotor on the back of the marin my ocd is killing me
🤣🤣🤣🤣😜😜 Possibly!!
Well that worked only cause that headtube was big to begin with. Before there were tapered steerer tubes there were straight 1 1/2” steerers. So the old headset was a reducer OR the zero stack hight jobbies...
Gotcha, happy it is no longer the old days! Man I hated them quil style stems!! Lol
So you said "take a tapered head tube and stick it". Well, I'm waiting!
🤣🤣🤣 Damn Editing! LOL 😆
What's the benefits of a tapered versus non tapered?
Bigger bearing is one. Bigger diameter equals less leverage
Honestly, not a lot. Mainly a better fork selection and maybe a little more stability. The straight steerer tube forks are getting hard to find.
looks nice and beefy !
Did you say steak?? 🤔
Gotta do something about that gap between the head tube and lower cup. It will end up disastrous for the bike and possibly disastrous for you, my friend.
Gotcha brother, appreciate the concern and we will be shaving it down!! 👍Thanks
Video should be deleted since not everyone will read these comments. Dangerous to get it wrong like this.
The calliper setting tool part number (please)? I want one like now! Thank you, anyway :).
I'm using a tapered fork on a regular 1 1/8 straight headtube. I let the bottom 11/8 race drop as far as it would go
on the tapered headtube. Then I dropped the headtube on to the tapered steertube. Seems to work fine.
If the Wolfman ever gets fed up and takes the Tick to the ground, who’s gonna win? Lol
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Must be a long headtube lower cup you need a spacer or the short headtube lower cup
Man feel ya, we will be taking some excess material off.
Did that to my hydroform last year
Nice, so it is a 44?? Hmmm.... That's awesome!
Shoot, the lower external FSA cup is too tall for that bike as there should be no gap. There is a groove on inside of headtube and it isn’t deep enough for the FSA lower cup to sit flush. That needs to be flush, I suppose it could maybe be cut or machined down but I don’t think you want to ride it like that. I saw someone install the Funn lower external cup in Marin Bobcat and it sat flush. That was one I was going to try and send but it was sadly currently unavailable. Cheech is looking sweet though! Would look sharp with few blue accents….maybe pedals and stem 🤔Lol
Check out Ryden Dirty TH-cam channel. He had to trim his cane creek external cup to get it to sit flush
HA ha ha! Yes pedals and a stem would be super nice!! LOL We will be taking some meat off the cup, thanks for the heads up
Where can we buy
11:16 don't measure at the head tube as the head tube can be tapered externally, so it will give slacker angle than it actually is, it's best to measure at the station or the fork legs at a straight area.
Very Good Point
I believe that’s not accurate because forks have offsets and if you measure off the fork it will be a slightly different head angle. They measured correctly
@@josuemedina58 The reality is that some frames (most these days) have tapered headtubes externally and you'll get an incorrect angle. And some forks are not parallel to the steer tube, so you may also get an inaccurate angle. But most forks, even when offset, are still parallel to the steer tube. You can prove this by measuring the headtube angle, then rotate the bars 180 degrees and measure again. If the measurement is the same, then your forks are parallel with the steer tube. (Also a good way to check for a bent fork!)
does anybody know if i can put that headset on my trek marlin 8
Man hopefully someone can help you out
You could have reamed out that 1/4”...
I reamed my 26.8 seat tube to 27.2 for a PNW Coast post. Think the ream was around $40. So a 1 1/2 is maybe twice the price ?...
What?? There was enough meat to ream it out!?!? That's great man, and you don't wanna see me ream anything!! 🤣🤣😜
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS Yeh, though it was a 26.8 seatpost, it took a 31.8 collar, like other 27.2’s, it think...and yes it was a little scary. I might have destroyed what was a $589 2006 Banshee Scirocco frame. It’s extremely over-built and looks like it will last forever. I got one of the last good forks with a straight 1 1/8 steerer. A Manitou Circus Expert. A 130mm dirt jump fork that your dad couldn’t bottom out. And a bargain @ $400...