God's Crooked Lines EXPLAINED - Los Renglones Rorcidos de Dios Explicado
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- When a charismatic private investigator is admitted to a psychiatric hospital, her presence sows dangerous seeds of doubt among the doctors on staff. These are my thoughts and theories surrounding the new Spanish film on Netflix, God's Crooked Lines, or Los Renglones Rorcidos de Dios. Please share your thoughts and theories on what the film meant in the comments below.
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The thing that bothered me is that the police and everyone else is just going to gloss over the fact that she knocked out the coroner??
And started a fire
Yes yes yes thanks!! Was bugging me so much
Ditto
I noticed her book “Through the Looking Glass” and the fact that her name is Alice. The white haired man (forget his name) was like her white rabbit. And the fact her glass mirror was broken…just some interesting things I noticed and wanted to share. Good movie!
What great observations!!!
And I see the twins as Tweedledee and Tweedledum, so as Urquieta as Caterpillar as he constantly smoking 😅.
Ignacio literally asked her “what is it that brought you to wonderland?” 😮
¡Very good interpretation! I think the good thing about this movie is that it is open to various interpretations, a character in the film says "the truth is what you want it to be", and I think that is exactly what the film intends, to show the impossibility of reaching an absolute truth, each person, crazy or sane, has a different perception of reality. As for whether she is the true mother of Romulus and Remus, I don't think so, she is like the mother wolf from the legend of Romulus and Remus, she adopts them and protects them.
In the book end is explained. She has paranoja. She asked to go back to hospital because she realized her sickness.
Dont lie
A few minutes until the movie and my brain began to scream "Shutter Island". By the end, it was "Shutter Island" down the rabbit hole.
I did tooo. So you mean it's better than Shutter Island? I'm not sure I'll finish it today
Honestly !! Same thing I thank ! This is like leo in shutter island but now I don’t know 😂
@@carol76798no, shutter Island is a good movie but this one is not.
Sometimes I get tired of unclear endings. I’m fine with it now and then but it seems so many movies leave u wondering wth just happened. I quite enjoy the twists and turns throughout the movie, but some clarity at the end is not going to ruin the damn movie. I watched 3 movies over the weekend and they were all really good, but left room for much speculation. Literally when this movie ended I almost launched my remote across the room like “f*** not again!”
😂😂😂
you're suffering from schizophrenia my friend.😂😂
Bruh same. My wife and I just gonna omit the last minute. Too much shady shit for every little thing to be a coincidence.
Yeah it's terrible when one is left guessing all night!
one of the makers of the film affirms that there's only one possible ending, and that is she's mentally ill
Your forgetting the funds made out to the institution by her husband. So how could she have murdered him then have him make out the funds.
This? It don’t make sense how can someone that’s dead give you a $2. Million dollar donation
Damn I forgot about that one. But... it doesn't mean that she's not crazy. :D
@@niyaalott6436 It wasn't 2 million dollars, it was 2 million pesetas. At the time that was around $15,000.
I don't agree, I think it was a set up planned by her husband. Remember, the police confirmed that the money was taken out of her account, and the doctor went to her house and saw the proof that she was a PI. At the end of the movie, she was shocked to see someone that her husband had introduced him to be another guy.
At the end of the day, the movie is set up in a way that both could be true. The entire time, it's trying to confuse you. Lead you down one path then a other.
@@Delt4_Cr4wfish 100000000000% disagree. There’s literally nothing in the movie if you actually look at all the facts that came to the top that would suggest that she actually IS a patient suffering and not a victim. If the director were in the comments he’d be laughing at how dumb people are for even thinking that she was insane and made it all up
@c9knutzz385 “God’s crooked lines” toys with the audience’s mind till the very end, and the inconclusive ending further adds to the mystery. the entire time, it was a back and forth. You saw scenes at the beginning that were actually at the end. As the doctor said at the end, you believed in her delusions. The fact is anyone can fall for a lie, you or me.if you think it's over 100%, that means you fell for the lie
I was thinking the exact same thing!
@@c9knutzz385 the director would be laughing at you for being rude and not doing your research. In the book that this movie was made from, she actually is crazy at the end and made this entire narrative up to try to get out of the asylum. The movie decided to leave the interpretation of the ending to the audience, so yes it could be either or. No need to put people down for having a different opinion
I believe she is sane, and her husband is the one behind all these.
Shes crazy, she lied, manipulatee the doctors/ but also her husband put her there too and stole all her money
Shes def insane man, look at all the proof.
The murder that she was "investigating" never really happenned, she created that in her mind and then "confirmed" her delusions when the actual murder takes place at the end of the film as a consecuence of her trying to scape. What I do not understand is, when she got admitted into de asylum, no murder had taken place yet, and when she is talking to her doctors long before the real murder took place, she says that she is the investigator of a crime, and some of the doctors believe it, but why? This was prior to the real murder, and the doctors who worked at the hospital should have known back then that there had not been any crime yet, so WHY did they still believe her when she claimed to investigate something that the knew was not real?? If you were a doctor at a hospital, you would know if a murder had taken place, which was not the case yet, so why would you believe someone who claims to be the investigator of something you know never happened?
Very good question
Thank youuuu for this question! And your explanation... This is exactly what had me confused also and still doesn't quite add up to me
No you didn't get the movie their is two cases one where the men takes his live and the second the twin accident so you can tell that the movie just go back and forth with the past and present
There actually was a death that occurred. At one point she was talking to Urquieta about it and he seemed surprised that she thought that it was a murder instead of a suicide. It didn't make sense to us at the time because we thought that she was referring to the stabbing that we saw, and that Urquieta was a witness to. It makes sense later on when we realize that it was a different death.
@@fresitacaramelo1233it was a crime there before you got to rewatchthats why they believe her
I cracked the code when I noticed the handwriting on the outside of the letter she forged from Dr. Donadio matched the same handwriting of the hebepherenic schizophrenic note she analyzed that was supposedly sent from the asylum. She wrote those herself as well as the notes that were sitting on the table that she claimed were written by the director. You have to really pay attention for this detail but when she is formally admitted at the very beginning you will see 3 signatures on her voluntary intake form. Alice's handwriting on that form matches the schizophrenic murder note and the letters on the table from the "director".
She is in fact suffering from paranoia.
you said that "schizophrenic note she analyzed that was supposedly sent from the asylum", sent by whom ? to whom.
Interesting point🤔
what i dont understand is that in her house she has a plaque saying she is actually a private investigator
Who’s the man at the last part of the movie?
@@tforceshamy7601 interesting. would an actual private investigator has a plaque saying they are a private investigator?
Man you gotta love psychology thrillers
We were told the twins were born in the mental hospital. They looked let’s say 16 years old. That would mean Alice would have been there for at least 16 years. We were told by Alice that she was there for two months. Had she actually been there for years wouldn’t you think the doctors would have looked at her funny when she mentioned two months? The doctors wouldn’t have approved her to leave.
doesnt say she was in the hospital when they were born
A beautiful woman like Alice, with such fine features, could never have sons looking like Romulus and Remus. Her husband was also good-looking, so if the filmmakers had planned to throw this possibility into the story, they would have chosen other twin actors.
Who says Shes the twins mother??
they just called her ‘mother’ like they called the girl their ‘sister’..they were introduced to her by her friend,the hydrophobic patient 😂
@@beautifulyou2815
Btw, how did that soker wash daily???😂
Guys De Olmo asking her what trouble she got herself into at the end this time makes me think she was married to his son and they are the parents of the twins. Something about all of this just doesn’t add up about being called mother and the director covering up the De Olmo death. I believe she killed him while she was admitted before and wrote that note. She was then voted to be discharged and began a new life with her current husband. The real reason she re admitted herself was to setup a plan to take down the director who knew her from before. He couldn’t comment on anything because he had signed some papers receiving cash from her husband. Once the husband found out her history from the director, he took everything and left her. The reason she wanted to come back and get the director fired was because he knew she was crazy and killed her husband. She didn’t want that to get leaked in her new life as a PI. Idk this is all kind of wild but if you piece together things it really does make sense.
I have a theory. I too believe she really has paranoia and was there to solve something that never existed. In the dream sequence when doc says "Truth is what we believe it to be" are words she is remembering from her previous therapy sessions. That was the time she was actually taking help from her doctor but now she is way down that lane and doesn't realise she has a problem. Truth is what we believe it to be is not a sign by directors that movie is open to interpretation. Truth is not subjective and in the movie the comment is another term for paranoia.Believing something that isn't true.
Also if you pay attention she said she got her admission signed by her husband along with some bank papers. Those are the papers that were needed for the funds transfer. That's my theory.
If she had really poisoned her husband and her husband had realised it, then why did a different doctor (not the doctor admitted her) was shown, when she made the first allegations against the chief doctor. The other doctors started doubting the Chief doctor coz his treatment was way out of normal procedure - why is that? Just coz the dwarfs body was lying next to detectives (fainted) doesn't mean she killed the dwarf, why was the chief doctor reluctant to be open? He tried to rub on the detective. Her friend saved her. If she has really poisoned her husband - then why poison him partially, why not poison him completely? If she has really poisoned she would not be thinking to prove the criminal (the giant man) she could have just escaped from the gate. This shows her humane and detective instincts. Hence she was framed by all the three - Her husband, his doctor friend and the chief doctor.
This movie makes my brain upside down , especially the ending
Great analysis! thanks!
Love your natural manner. Your voice is beautifully animated. You’re modest. Articulate and fair minded and interesting. I just watched “The Turning “ boring. Predictable. Read the original book. Its much scarier.
Book name ?
I like movies like this. I heard video explanation and read some of comments that disagree. The story can be taken in both ways, no clear prove one or the other are correct. Everything is left to viewers interpretation and that is thought cleverly, versus to movie “Shuttered island” where more or less it’s clear what really happened and who is who.
In my opinion She is really paranoid. Almost 3 indications proving it. First, the mirror that she took from her bag at the end was broken ( sign of disput with her husband) secondly why did she go back to the hospital after hearing the death of Romulus from the coroner while she had the opportunity to escape unless she is the real Romulus’s mother and at the end we saw clearly Dr saying to her “in what trouble you got yourself again?” Like she tends to lie and invite stories
I’m lowkey angry with the ending lol
She is obviously not the actual mother of the two boys. I believe that was put in to show us how easily and convincingly she can lie.
I believe Alicia! 100%! Why?..well it’s simple it’s all in the letter address to the doctors at the Asylum.
See if in deed the Dr. Who arrived in the end wrote the letter, Alicia wouldn’t have known the contents of the letter word for word.
..but because the husband and the Dr. conspired to get her committed, they hatched a plan that would involve Alicia participating in her committing herself.
While I do believe Alicia do suffer from some sort of paranoia, stemming from the sort of private investigative work she does, I don’t believe it broke her psychological mind.
With that being said, The Dr. at the Asylum, the husband and the Dr. In the end were all in on the plan to commit Alicia.
Let’s not forget the check made out to the asylum Dr. by the husband.
“Money is the route to all Evil!”
Wow thanks for explaining
@@precious3844
Welcome 🥰
I agree! But how is she the mother of the 3 children and how come her children were in a mental institution if she was sane? This is the only part thar messes up the theory that she is sane.
@@BossBible
Those are not her children.. she was just appeasing them to keep them feeling safe is all. The twins parents were both institutionalized there, the twins were born there. The girl’s story was unknown when Alicia ask the female doctor about the children status.
Your analysis is correct!!!!! Absolutely agree!! Don’t forget the certificate seen in the house stating she is a Private Investigator. The elephant man killed the first patient the same way, they just didn’t investigate! Huge cover up.
That was a huge part for me, if she was saying she was sent to solve a crime but the actual crime happen way later. That should have been questioned more from the other doctors
I love this kind of psychological movies that makes u ponder. I was actually confused at first about the timeline.
Very much enjoyed movie. That in the end you’re not really sure about her reality. I like that we can’t completely figure out about the husband - dead, alive, left with fortune. This is not a Hollywood movie that explains everything. Very very creative.
First of all: how in the world did the Asylum allowed such a large area of "forest" to be visited FREELY by patients(some known of have fighting before) WITHOUT a worker of the asylum following them? That made 0 sense.
Second: if SHE wrote the letter to enter the asylum, why did she choose an illness that would be very hard for her to prove fake? She could have said she had any other disorder, like hydrophobia like that guy. It would be so easy for her to prove she was just faking if something went wrong as it did.
Third(I may be mistaken about this one): she said Dr Alvar knew why she was there, so why all the trouble faking her illness to enter the asylum? (again, I may be wrong about this one, but I kind of remember she said that)
Then: wtf was that about her being the mother of the twins? was she completely nuts at that point? That was very weird, because at the same time she "embraced" being their mother, she, in her mind, knew she didn't belong in there as was set up. That was very confusing.
Also: why the part where it shows the twins changing places? What was the point of that?
Plus: The guy with hydrophobia, was really just afraid of water or he had a condition? Because it was shown that after he put his arms under water, SEVERE blisters and rashes appeared on his arm, which indicates he REALLY has a condition and he is not only paranoid about it.
Finally: was there even a suicide there?
The movie is fun and all, but it fails to explain itself. Shutter island gives you hints THE WHOLE MOVIE but you don't mind them until you reach the end, and when you rewatch it you will notice. This doesn't happen in this one. You never know what is true or not and it never cares to explain.
The truth is what you want it to be.....either u believe in Alice or Dr. Alvar
My primary query revolves around whether the story initially narrated by Alice, which seemingly takes place as a crime scene, is intricately connected to the crime investigation she embarks on within the asylum during the pre-climax of the movie. I find myself pondering how such a connection is plausible. Is the narrative within Alice's mind, or does it reflect her remarkable cleverness? Furthermore, I'm intrigued by how Dr. Family Dr. comes to learn about the murder narrative, and how this narrative aligns with the events in the pre-climax. It's a subject that has not received the attention it deserves.
No one seems to be discussing the correlation between the fire in the artwork shop, the rainfall, the murder of one of the twins, and their proximity to the crime investigation Alice is involved in.
Both the narrative and the real-world events seem to overlap, leaving us to question which version is credible. Can you provide an explanation for this intricate web of connections?
It could go either way. What makes me think she was crazy is who she was investigating. Was it another patient or just the twin boy? If it was just the twin boy she was saying she was sent there to investigate then she cray cray. If it was another patient then she may have been legally admitted under false pretenses…..
I believe she says truths because when doctor went to her house he saw her detective card and she was working on murder which is she was talking.
Besides that they saw her husband took all money from her account and escaped to asia.Another argument she described all murder moment like she was in there.Only detectives would give that much details
It shows how professional she is.
Also I don’t believe that much smart woman couldnt her husband poisoned, if that woman would want to do that she wouldn’t do her job half :D
she is innocent
I'd like that to be true, but then... what does the final twist mean?
In my opinion, she was telling the truth. Her husband set her up. The Dr was in on it so I don't think his testimony at the end would make a difference... Well, except for the fact that the doctor turns out to be the man who hired her... which makes no sense, so I'm just going to ignore that part 😄. She was framed.
Ignoring the last twist seem to be the best move... but it still exists, which isn't good for the movie.
It was an excellent plan to set her up or maybe she is in fact a mad women who fooled everyone to believe her including the audience. Notice how her face changed after she realized who donadio was at the end, for someone sane and professionally a private detective she shouldn't have mentally collapsed that easily.
I am completely frustrated and irritated by this movie! The movie itself feels like insanity.., and it is insane.., to try and make sense of this insanity!!!!
I feel that I wasted more than two hours emotionally invested in this pure insanity.., Everything about this movie is insane!!!! I feel robbed of my time and of brain cells fooling around with this insanity!!!! I feel tricked by the devil!!!
Just insane!!!….
Hahahaha u so funny
Actually she 1000000000% victim and healthy the doctor said to her that the the truth is whatever she want to be, according to her files the doctor and her husband set her up very very smart because if she really a patient so why he doesn’t write in the files that her husband or someone else maybe someone else took her money from from her bank, and why anyone don’t speak about her friend who afraid of water in the start of the movie they threaten him to “do and say what they want” and than when they called him when alice need his help he tell some story about the dwarf and dilution or not she really dosnt remember what’s happened there in the woods ,and it can be that she so intelligent and at the same time the movie creator deside to present us Alice in A character of a superficial murderer I mean if she is really a murderer so my eyes wanted to see more feels and emotions when she find out about her husband, cause we saw Alice feel bad for other patients and after all what in wrote now I think I’m becoming paranoid cause how it can be that the murder took place exactly the same way the murder she came to investigate???
Great analysis. What makes this so intriguing is the creators wanted to make it opaque.
The ending clearly shows that she is insane:
Watch the contrast between her face expression and her behavior when she sees the doctor that supposedly hired her to investigate the death of his son and it is not the guy that hired her (in dr. Alvarez office) and the last scene.
You can see the shock and kind of acceptance in her eyes when she sees her doctor at the end. She wouldn’t behave that way if it were a setup- remember how arrogantly she behaves in situations when her narrative is being put to doubt.
That is because she wasn’t just lying: her mind painted the picture where her doctor was that man that hired her to investigate his son’s murder and it all fell apart when she saw him as her doctor (remember also how dr. Alvarez explains it: her conscious mind just makes up a story).
Nah, I believe her ending expression was how it was because she knew her fate is sealed and she's lost the credibility. Husband's trick eventually worked.
@sakshattiwari6831 bothed can be true i was thinking back to when they said u break free but you still will be stuck
So does she get to leave or not?
Can someone explain me how the main character could claim to have come to a sanatorium to investigate a particular murder when it actually happened chronologically at the end of the film?
she went there to investigate the murder of another person.
@@frivma313 who doesn't exist
Yes. I mean the purpose of her admission just actually happend at the end? Like it was confusing when ive seen it.
@@frivma313 they framed her that is the whole point. isnt it
It was a flash forward instead of a flash back. We are less to believe that this is what happened to the son that was killed, but in actuality we never saw that in a flash back
Greatly entertaining movie. Nice video but you don’t explain the ending. In the book after the sanity hearing she is released and returns to her life but one day realizes she has a problem and checks back into the hospital for help.
I think the psychiatrist was right about her. She couldn’t take that her husband was only after her money so she planned his death and makes it look like her husband stole her money and disappeared
I think she is sane but after dousing in countless medicines she was not herself she saw the white bearded guy in the hall and she had the funny experience of seeing herself in different persona so it could be at the end seeing him again scared her
Great review! Watched it last night and would rate it as the best Psychological thriller I’ve seen. The ending is awesome because it adds a heavy weight to the Scenario that she is indeed a patient. However there is still small chance that she’s not a mental patient but was indeed framed. The movie doesn’t absolutely spell it out which is why it is so brilliant!
I think I will need to rewatch it to look for clues to the various scenarios, for example Is she really the twins mother. If she is she would’ve had to been committed previously and then was able to get out. Are there any clues that the other patients recognize her?
Great review of a great movie.
PS I wonder if anything was lost in the translation from Spanish to English , the subtitles didn’t always match what was spoken…
The first time she gets into the hospital that white haired woman approached her and told her "im not dead" or "im alive" i dont remember. But again if she was a previous patient why wouldnt the doctors mention it or smth like that cause them patients are crazy af cant trust them 💀
Yes I watched in Spanish and English subtitles I speak Spanish it wasn’t 190% exact but close enough
My thought is : she's "sane" but a habitual liar with a heart of gold.
Her three major lies : having her husband sign the paper, fooling the first doctor , and pretending to be the coroner but her in harms way so that she could protect someone else.
She has a habit of lying, getting caught, and then explaining why her deception was necessary all while humiliating her mark. We saw that leads to resentment in characters and it no doubt lead to resentment in her husband who saw the perfect opportunity to be rid of her by hatching this elaborate scheme of poisoning himself , and presenting her with a case from the fake Dr. Olmo.
Being married to her for so long I would imagine that some of her duplicity would rub off on him and his resentment for her lies would reach a boiling point.
At the End when she sees the imposter she is still shaken because his word is better than hers regardless if it it is truth or not. After all, he is the only other person on the outside besides her husband that could vouch for her.
Also, I think it was cool that there was a crowd behind her like a jury, this whole discussion makes me feel like we were in that audience, deciding wether she was a bad egg or not 🧑⚖️
Just a theory though, they say in the book she actually IS insane, but for the movie 🤷♀️
She is a highly intelligent psycho manipulator, she already gave it away in the beginning when she said that i will always achieve what i set out to do to the doctor with glasses, her trick is to really believe in her own lies and creat her own scenarios to come out thrust worthy, the head director of that institute was right believe him!
Voldemort: Why am I reading between the lines and inferring that you don't like women much? You may not be a full-on misogynist, but a slightly reductive chauvinist.
@@AlexAlexon3897 i don’t hate woman but im good with spotting a narcissist,if you think she is innocent chances are you also got into her hooks, you just using ur feelings ant not ur brain to fully understand whats really her intentions..
@@Hogsmeat: Oh dear, your poor grammar is quite telling.
@@AlexAlexon3897 Yet his logic clearly exceeds yours..ironic... Goodbye.
@@glmnk: You're a coward. Made a comment then ran off. You hate women because they ignore you. 😅
The doctor received payments from the husband. And my confused about the doctor names.
I believe she constantly has to prove a challenge
But when doctor went in her house he saw not only that she was inspector but also picture and all documents of the boy who “commited suicide” . So she must be telling the truth because if she is long time in mental hospital it would be removed and someone would see that before, or husband would remove that to make her crazy.
Also the empty bank account are telling us that she is sane.
But what does it means at the end when doctor said to alice “what are you into now”, only writer know.
All in all i think she is sane but at the end writer is trying to make us think differently. Everyone thought that she is sans till last second.
@@vinkomogucnost549 i think the guy who she thought was the father of the murder is really a doctor that was plotting with her husband
What a great film! So confusing😣though
Definitely a set up! She had proof of being a PI.. at her house she had the entire board of evidence! My only question is who the hell was the doctor in Alvar’ office ?? And who was the doctor at the end?? Bc those were two different people.
The doctor in the office was the real father of the boy who commited suicide , while the doctor in the end is her doctor ( the one in Zurich ) who recommended that she should be admitted after poisoning his husband which in her fake reality ( which was mentioned by the director that her brain snapped the time she will be admitted to the hospitAl and believed in a fake reality ( schizophrenia) , and I believe she is really a private investigator that’s why there board of evidence . But the problem was , she snapped due to her paranoia Of her husband’s interest to her wealth . Her doctor also said she is very good in lying , and manipulating .. maybe because she will do her best to escape the facility coz she really thought in her fake reality that she was being kidnapped . If you happen to watch a beautiful mind starring Russell Crowe, you will easily understand why is she like that .. in her dream the doctor said it is her choice what reality she believes in.
@@NihonKirei daaaaang
Alice must be mentally ill. My evidence for this has nothing to do with the intricacies of the plot or dialogue but rests entirely on the fact that I'm madly in love with this character, and I always fall in love with the crazy ones
in my opinion it will be an open explanation, in a part alice said that her husband take control of the newspaper which means that he is a powerful man adding the money in her file that dr motlets or whatever her name found in the director s office>> if we pretented that she is sane 100% why didn t she escape when she has the opportunity trying to solve romulos case .. well this leads us to a great movie work that made us think > thank you
Can someone answer this.. so I can decide if I get this movie. When she tells her side of the story, she said she saw the asylum boy murder on the news on TV. And saw the boy's father. Then she recognized him in the party before her husband introduced them. Her husband can manipulate one newspaper copy with a made up news and a picture for her tobread. But can he manipulate a news story on TV?
I can't decide if she's sick or not yet. Need to watch it again ..I guess.
If she is mentally ill, she creates in her mind whatever fantasy that suits her agenda. Nothing she says should be taken seriously in those circumstances
Thank you
I agree with the idea that she was set up by the husband. Even if we are going to discredit her account of the events entirely, this leaves us with the fact that the main doctor was found to have received a large sum of money from the husband. we know that through the young female doctor not through Alice. He explained it by saying he transferred the money to the hospital accounts, but he is not to be trusted at all ( he wanted to cover up the murder, he manipulated and traded his vote for a safe exit via resignation to escape any consequences).
Also her shock at the end was because she found that her husband lied again and introduced the man as the father not the doctor.
Sorry, but if we assumed it was the same as what I mentioned, it would have been a superficial story that a 10-year-old person could compose.
And also the story about the movie that he talked about a mental illness, which is paranoia, so why did they quote this disease in the story! From a vacuum?
My head is still spinning after watching the film.
The movie is clear as day at the end. The doctor nobody was believing prove them all wrong at the end. Her husband appeared, and asked "What did you do this time?" And her face clearly recognizes him, as saying "fuck... I fucked up again"
So yeah. She was metally ill, and just trying to get out of there.
الذي ظهر ليس زوجها و إنما طبيبها النفسي ، راجع فهمك !
The doc that showed up in the end was the same guy that was standing in the room that she didn't recognise. That's why the end didn't hit hard, I thought they debunked that part already.
I guess I would have to read the novel by Torcuato Luca de Tena to see if there are more clues.
Is there english version of book, i couldnt find it
@@WiPeSCZ I guess you're correct. It seems so.
I need to watch twice seriously
I think she is who she say she is the ending where her expression change because she know her husband had win . They guy who claim to be the father is really a dr that her husband had sign off . There was a part in the movie that said when you try to escape your stuck
I just finished watching the movie and am really confused
She was making all up.
@@jdsantibanez
No she wasn’t
@Precious go read my comment i posted. I break it down
She was making all up...not she is not...wtf..🤣🤣🤣
@@amitclick99
No she was not making it all up!
I’m not sure if you know how too, use your brain but watch again to understand that she wasn’t making any of it up!
People work with people like that every day and everywhere. They just haven’t gotten caught yet. 😅
I heard today that a RV has a chair that can be thrown around. I don't know who whose
The truth is what you want it to be
Can someone explain to me how two different murders are exactly the same? the same weapon is used, it was raining, the arrival of the coroner, fire... how?
We're shown the events out of order at the beginning and then later are shown how they all went down in the correct order.
@@MoviesAndMunchies does that mean there weren't two murders in the insane asylum? she goes inside to investigate one murder, while another happens while she's inside. if it is the same murder that was shown later how it actually happened, then we now know with certainty that it is all fiction and that she is actually crazy.
@@zarkob.acimovic4511 Exactly! The murder she believes she's there to investigate is the same one that happened when she started the fire and created all the chaos. So yes, she has been in the asylum the entire time. At least that's how I interpreted it 😀
@@MoviesAndMunchies that's wrong, I thought the point of the end of the movie was that we have two truths :( but thanks!
But at the first meeting with all the doctors they all acknowledged the "suicide" she's there to investigate in the first place, so it did happen but she could be trying to solve it but as a patient after being committed
This is one of those films that seem clever but they are really just confusing, or dishonest really. Nothing wrong with suspense and ambiguity, but wrap it up, please. Get to the point.
She’s not just suffering from paranoia , she has schizophrenia. Recall what the director has stated that she had made a fake reality and hair brain was in a blackout that time when she realized she will be admitted to a hospital because of trying to poison his husband that also due to her paranoia about loving him because of money . As to the questions of people here why she has a proof that she was an investigator, because maybe she is really one before she was admitted . I don’t believe she was admitted there for a long time , the sequence is there was really a true suicide happened which she saw on the news coz the director and the doctors on the hospital also talked about it that time , which by the way as a schizophrenic, you can easily mix up that moment to your fake reality …
Netflix description is misleading haha, I thought that she is really a private investigator but in the end, it shows that she is really sick.
I've just watched Shutter Island 2022
Está basada en un libro de los años 70… más bien es al revés.
The book is mind-blowing as it is narrated thru her eyes, so really nothing is realistic. Even it explains that she lost her mind due to gaslighting and sex abuse from her husband. Quite patriarcal as Alice is highlighted as s neurotic patient in the Freudian way, as women are crazy due to sexual incestuous delirium.
"The Truth is whatever you want to BeLIEve." X
She can’t be the mom because she was told that the twin boys they were born in the facility from a patient and she can’t be that old I guess
So why add that part?! :D Seriously, I can't decide if I liked that story or not.
When the doctor went to Alice house he saw a certificate that says Private investigator therefore she is telling the truth
And her money was really removed
@@winningcapital2313 yeah this movie feels very contradictory. It's like one thing is established, and you're like okay yeah so that's what happened but then you think about it and realize it contradicts something else that was established as truth.
I think theres multiple layers of truths and they are folded. I think she really might be crazy, but it's also true her husband stole her money. They feel like it's either or but they might both be true.
Maybe she was going crazy and tried to poison her husband. And the husband aware of the situation decided its best to put her in a mental institution and take her money rather than file a police report.
Idk
She could have been a detective before she went crazy, that’s why she’s so smart and clever
@@JGAbstract ikr I feel sorry for the doctors that believed her story lol I hope she was telling the truth they need to make part 2
Yeah she’s telling the truth about being a private investigator, but that doesn’t prove her innocence or guilt. Just that she was truthful about being a PI.
Why did she show herself looking at her makeup mirror with the glass cracked which would point to her killing Remus? If she did kill him, why? Also, who was the elephant man’s “one true love” that was pointed out as his motive, was it the little sister who Romulus kept away from him or was his one true love the dwarf (whether platonic or romantic it doesn’t really make a difference) and who actually killed him , was it Alice? They said the twins were born in the psychiatric hospital so is Alice actually their mother and has she been in and out of there for years? She couldn’t have been in there the whole time because of the investigation board that was found in her house. So many questions! Hey Chris congrats on over 50k subs and please show us some of your favorite holiday munchies soon!
In the elephant man's love i will consider it to be the dwarf. Like i dont see any interactions with the elephant and Remu's sister at all that would consider his love for her. Revenge for his lover dwarf is the same reason i knew why he killed Remus. I dont think Alice is their biological mother, she just adopted them while staying in the asylum as her own children as Romulus portrays her as their mother. Overall this movies is amazing with so many twist and revelations.
I think I've cracked. The institution needed someone smart enough to outsmart Alice. That's why it needed different directors😀
This movie is not about sanity.. it's about who is wrong and who is right... she is right and her husband is wrong in all ways. He take all her money n lives, if she is paranoid that's becoz of him.. that's called: God's crooked linea
I heard that the twins are her biological sons
Brilliant
i enjoyed this movie but there’s too many loose ends in my opinion
I didnt like how the book depicted her as this murderous paranoid person. I wish things were the way they were in the movie. She was clearly framed if she was sick her husband wouldn't have run away with her money , and that one doctor who went to her house saw the award or something for private detective with her name on it. Many things dont make sense if she's sick.
She's paranoid, the whole story is in her head
I assume that all of the scenes in the movie are real events, otherwise you can claim any version, like maybe Dr Alvaro does not exists at all, etc.
Thus...
At the start of the movie, she asks the guy who she believes to be Del Olmo, not to go with her, as he could be recognized.
If she knows he is not Del Olmo, why would anyone recognize him?
It's only the two of them, so that dialogue only makes sense if she really thinks he is Del Olmo.
If she knew the guy to be Dr Donadio, what would have been the difference if he is seen or not?
She explicitly asks Alvaro to contact Donadio, why would she do such thing if she knew that who she belives to be Del Olmo is actually Donadio.
As soon as the real Del Olmo shows up, the question remains, who dropped her off, not Del Olmo.
When the real Del Olmo shows up, she has no reaction.
When the fake "Del Olmo" arrives and claims he is Dr Donadio, her world seems to collapse.
There is a private investigator diploma in her house, thus she is a PI at least on paper.
And she always insists that there are copies letters sent to Alvaro in her home, why?
Why does Alvaro deflect when the rest of the doctors want to fact check her story? It could have been a quick end to the story (just like the eagles taking Frodo to Mordor :)
If she really killed her husband, why wasn't anyone looking for her or her husband? No police investigation.
How about this, Alice's husband, a playboy from what it seems, decides to get all her money (maybe a big outstanding poker debt).
He gets Dr Donadio and the director Alvaro to play along.
Dr Donadio, a real doctor, impersonates Del Olmo, her facial expression at the end can be attribute to the fact that she realizes who was the mastermind all along. Dr Donadio, as her husband from what we know is a simpleton.
First time i felt stupid and not understanding what this story is about?
What about the first murder? Same fire blown and same investigation scenes? It is only the first murder then she must be lying because if the first murder were never happened then why is she here?
But then what about the letter signed by dr. Dureti (or whatever his name is) how can she read word by word from the letter if she didn't type it? How can she know letter's content?
If u believe she is lying then how she knows about the letter?
If i believe she is ok and it's a trap then who was she investigating if there were no murder?
The fact that she was shocked at the end of the movie to see her previous doc really says it all. As, doc can prove her lie and there is no escape after that.
And husband leaving her bank and home means he ran away before she can come back to kill him.
So all adds up at the end
or she is not a detective, nor rich, all these events are in her paranoid head with multiple presonnalities. look at it from this point of view: we the audience are the doctors and she is the patient and at the time of the interview she tells this crazy story from start to finish. all these characters are her imagination, so she can tell us (audience /doctors) to see and hear what she wants. small remark: the murder of the twin brother was committed in 1978 and she was hospitalized in 1979 to investigate, but indirectly causes the same murder in 1978, ca c a symptom of multiple personalities and paranoia
@@ulrickkamdem9728 the police confirmed her identity and her money been stolen by the husband
This is a very complicated story I think I waste my to and half hour and after that watching reviews oh God.........
The part that confused me was if there was an actual death there she was investigating - the son committing suicide.
I thought there wasn't a murder, rather the husband made that up so when she's there she seems crazy trying to solve a murder that didn't happen.
WE as the viewers think the murder she's investigating is the murder at the end, so when Dr alves says "there's no mystery, it's a suicide" we think he's referring to the murder at the end of the movie that the editor spliced in making it seem like it already happened.
But in reality that death hasn't happened yet. So what "suicide" is alves referring to. Dr. Olmo really had a son that committed suicide there a year prior?? And Dr. Donadio PRETENDED to be Dr Olmo at the start? Wtf?
I am questioning this same thing. Like wtf???
That's the thing, the movie leaves both options for interpretation. You can either believe that:
a) She is a legit mental patient and Dr. Donadio is her real physician that appears at the end. Whether or not he really drops her off in the asylum is up for debate. After all nobody else saw him there, we only "know" that he dropped her off before she says so. But who's to say that she's even telling the truth?
or
b) She really is just a private detective on an investigation and her story about her husband setting her up is completely true. If so, than that person that appears in the end is in on the whole scheme and is merely pretending to be her doctor, and he's just there to further reinforce that she's actual insane.
The crime she's investigating is different than the murder at the end. As far as I know, there's a part where the person face (one she's investigating) was shown on some kind of paper.
I came here to get some answers
I left here with more questions without answers
My questions + if she was really thier mother
alice finessed us all I guess. im so confused haha
Every time I want a explanation for a movie it’s always 10-12+ minutes. But you sir finish it in 5 mins and saves us a lot of time. Thank you 🫡
First all I don’t agree with the meaning of the title, god didn’t make a mistake and it doesn’t start from us, even the devil was once an angel in conclusion the devil is the one that is steering the pot.
I think the end with dr Danubio it's put there deliberately just to gave orgasms to our brains and create this debates, which I find brilliant and fun because everyone can make his own ending!
My ending is, she was really a detective that was tricked and she snapped at the end because that's the fake doctor and she knows he will put her back, and from there we gonna have a second part! Tbh it's hard to see the real ending if there is one, but too many loose ends, if she was the mother, they said the boys were born in the institution therefore they should have some records of her, the poisoned husband, there's no evidence about it during the movie, the big donation and extreme treatment from the director lead the police to get on his tail, so because there are so many loose ends I think it was a magic touch to let us fabricate our ending based on our understanding, like the end of inception, was he dreaming or not, same question here, was she a real patient or a real detectiv, brilliant movie and touch!
I think she’s sane. I think becuase we rarely know her husband. Who knows what game he’s playing. Lol 😂 simple as that. Don’t make the movie more complicated than it is. Yes it can be interpreted both ways, sure why not. But for me. I’m with my girl Alice 💅🏼💯
Despite the last twist?
Most people in psychiatric hospitals have disorders just like this woman, only a small number of people in the institution behave like people as the director described them.
It gives me Shutter island vibes
Enough content to point out that she's normal and the watchers are getting too creative indeed lol. Her reaction in the end scene was of absolute shock because she realised her fate is sealed and she's lost all credibility now in front of the panel. Because the doc that comes in at the end of it, was bought off too, major plan.
The main reason being, the main doctor gave her a super severe punishment even after it was established that she was the one assaulted in the forest. And the lady doctor agreed too that the "punishment" and treatment were too severe. The main doctor was clearly trying to break her mental stability.
1. The husband could not be tracked, he ran off to South Asia with the money.
2. If she really tried to poison her husband, he would have gone with legal action.
3. Why are we forgetting that the midget did assault her? She didn't have a violent nature, and it's clear that the dude who was deluded as her son protected her.
4. Would a doctor really be dumb enough to send a note with her to be given to the facility she's being admitted to for treatment?
5. Are we all going to forget the cheque?
However I wouldn't blame some watchers for getting too imaginative, the film takes too much liberties to make it interesting but it works against it.
(Sorry I'm just bad with names lol).
ஏற்கனவே ஒரு முறை ஒருவரை அழைத்து வந்து இவர் தானே நீங்கள் சொன்ன Dr என்று Alver காமிக்கும் போது , alice இவர் இல்லை அவர் வேறு ஒருவர் நீங்கள் யாரையோ கமிக்கிரிங்க என்பார் , அடுத்து படத்தின் இறுதியில் இதோ உங்க Dr வந்துட்டார் வெளியூர் பயணம் முடித்து வர இவருக்கு காலதாமதம் ஏற்பட்டது வந்ததற்கு நன்றி கூறி விட்டு வெளியே வரும் அவர் நாம் நினைப்பது போல் ஒரு Dr இல்லை அந்த கலந்தாய்வில் இருப்பவர்களுக்கும் தெரியாது ஆனால் Alice மட்டும் தெரியும் அது அவரின் கற்பனை
Just watched it like 10 minutes ago. First minutes kind of boring, fucking same on Shutter Island. Two movies has same vibes, and these kind of movies are great that make you want to watch it again to catch the twist.
In my opinion. . . She's telling the truth, all planned by her husband
You just wrote the opposite in another post!
@@AlexAlexon3897 She is that woman.
@@dave-874: Ok! Tangled webs everywhere.
@@AlexAlexon3897 affirmative
My conclusion is that you have two options and both are right
You choose which one you believe in
@@dave-874 hi
No I'm not that woman 😃
This movie has very loop holes for that theory. But one thi g for sure, this movie is not even near Shutter Island.
Both books the movies are based on came out in different decades. God's Crooked Lines was published in 1979 and Shutter Island in 2010. Both movies are ver faithful to their respective books. I really loved both films.
The whole time I was watching the movie, I was thinking it feels exactly like shutter island. It’s so interesting how similar they are. I wonder if one of them borrowed the idea from the other, because it’s a little too similar
@@juliyar1670This film is based on a 1979 Spanish novel of the same name, and Shutter Island is based on a novel of the same name published in 2003. Perhaps the Shutter Island novel was inspired by the God's Crooked Lines novel.
You're so way off on this it's pretty funny. I believe we are led down a merry path where we are led to think she was genuinely being committed, but she prepared for this and went along with it, knowing exactly how things would play out right up to and including the reveal of the real father of the man whose death she was pretending to investigate. After that she had to think on her feet. When the dwarf was killed (it really is irrelevant who did kill him) she used that to her advantage later on when she encountered the giant and told him it was one of the twins who killed him, in the hopes of causing further chaos and distraction. When she encountered the coroner as she was about to flee and heard that one of the twins was murdered, she knew exactly who had done this, so she seized on that opportunity to get away cleanly and legally, as escaping on foot while her only option at first, would be very risky and had too great a risk of being tracked and recaptured given that she was miles away in the middle of knowhere. She killed her husband, emptied the bank accounts and sent the overly generous donation to the asylums director herself before being committed. The only fly in the ointment was the genuine Dr who turned up at the end. She was a high IQ sociopath who merely used people and had no real emotions for anyone but herself. It could also be the case that she genuinely was set up and the reveal at the end that the father of the murdered man she was investigating was in fact the Dr who' falsified the report that led to her being commited is what shocked her so much. The movie allows for both being equally true.