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- Netflix''s Original Movie "The Discovery" is a philosophical mind-bender with a major reveal in the ending. And if you re-watch it a second or third time, you might see some new rabbit holes to go down or you might see things differently.
I’ve watched it 3 times in full and a handful of clips a handful of times. This video is my take on it as of April 3, 2017.
Please let me know if you liked the movie, where I was mistaken, what I missed, and any other theories you have. Thanks!
- Kev
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Very well done but with a minor error. The corpse is "Pat" as in "Pat Phillips" as in I played Pat in the film.
no way!!! Paul, is this actually you!?!? That is so cool!! Thank you for watching the video and commenting!!! omg!! (i feel like a teenager typing "omg" haha but its completely accurate to use that right now)
I'm jammed up right now trying to finish another video for Game of thrones, but I couldn't resist responding since I just saw this. I'm going to have to rewatch later to hear what I said. I'm so embarrassed. I stink at life! lol
If I had to guess, I may have slipped and said "Phil." I could see myself making that kind of a mistake. If that's what I did, I'm blaming it on alliteration + the last name resembling a semi-common first name.
But for the record, I apologize! I totally knew your character's name because I actually double checked it on IMDB while writing down the full name with pen and paper. I specifically remember thinking "ah ha. got it now!" LoL
I am terrible with names in real life, as well as in shows/movies. Here's a silly side story if you have a minute. I'm the type that can watch an entire show/movie and know who people are speaking about as I watch it...but moments after the movie ends, I will struggle to say a single characters name. It's weird the way the brain works sometimes, but that's an entirely different rabbit hole that I don't expect you to join my in lol
Anyway, sorry to respond with a novel. This was exciting though. Your cast and production team. Everyone involved. You have quickly become my favorite team ever! I look forward to seeing you in more works in the future!
Thanks for the kind words, Paul. All the best!
Hello again. Yup it's me. If you notice at the end of the first set of credits. Charlie McDowell put in "Special Thanks to: Paul Bellefeuille. Charlie Tweeted out the video. :)
I finally finished my work for the day. You'd laugh if you knew how little I had to do from then until now.
You're welcome! Thank you too.
i finally got a chance to rewarch my video last week, and i think i said Peter!?! i have no idea where that came from. I thought maybe i slipped and said "Phil" instead of "Pat."
I'm going to be going a followup video at some point, and i promise that i will not make the same mistake twice
anyway, happy monday! have a great week, Paul =)
very spot on, I just watched the film and it really drew me in. I can't believe people who say this film is boring or a waste of time, it makes you think and that is what films are suppose to do in my opinion. Thank you for bringing some extra depth and insight in a very good film.
thanks for the kind words!
I'm totally with you. I watched it three times all the way through. Granted, third was specifically because I wanted to make a video. But even if I wasn't going to make one, I really enjoyed it and would have watched it a second time either immediately or soon. Then again, i LOVE rewatching and rereading stuff lol. maybe i'm nuts
as far as people liking/disliking it, I feel like it will have a similar reaction as The OA had. And not even implying that the same people will either like or dislike it. But I feel like it's the kind of movie that will have black or white reactions. People either dig it a lot or dislike it a lot.
But the cult followings are the best anyway. Maybe not in terms of the producers making money, but in terms of learning. I feel like it is only a matter of time before some wizards emerge on reddit and blow our minds with some new connections/interpretations that I was unable to find/understand
but anyway, thanks again for the kind words!
you're totally right. Perhaps i will watch it again, it will be very interesting to see it with a different mindset. Keep up the good work! Cheers.
+Jeroen Hoppenbrouwer thanks! Have a good on Jeroen (awesome name btw)
Jeroen Hoppenbrouwer the "boring parts" my option are the love story moments yes it pays off in the end but this movie is a movie you watch till the end to get the twist than rewatch it again to enjoy it, that's what I did I honestly skipped over 40 minutes of the movie or so with it's boring parts, only to grow to love those parts on my second viewing. I also didn't like the pacing I feel like it could have been better done
The timing of this movie is perfect for me. It gives you enough space between important scenes and lets you think, but it does it just enough to not make the movie feel boring for me.
so if they constantly go through loops to better themselves and possible the world, then at the end of all the world's is a perfect world. heaven on Earth.
Luis Figueroa 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴 bruh
Luis Figueroa yeah they all get their own like hitler
but remember there is no end, just one long drawn-out middle
They'd be in Nirvana. A place where they don't have to go through the loop anymore cause they've done everything right. Enlightenment
And all of those prior loop trials could be the hell they have to endure prior to Enlightenment
One of those movies that makes you feel weird after watching.
It is!
I had the same feeling after watching the movie "stay"
Strange.
@@GeorgeJung19856 What is Stay about do you recommend it? Thanks bro.
@@angelgjr1999 Its very similar to the theme of this movie ... its abt death and afterlife ....i cant tell anything more, cuz everything would be a spoiler...
just 1 thing...watch it,...its great ;)
np, bro :)
@@GeorgeJung19856 is it a horror movie?
@@GeorgeJung19856 When did it come out?
The whole “living in a loop” realization was also slightly hinted at when Isla was sitting with Will on the beach and she was drawing what looked like an infinity symbol in the sand as she told him about loosing her son. I didn’t notice it the first time I saw the movie but I noticed it the second time. She also drew an arrow pointing the the ocean as if to say that he died at the same beach and maybe that’s why she went there to kill herself.
Whoa. Nice catch
Also I think he might have been the little boy because he did say he had uh accident at 5 and she lost her kid when he was 5
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She points him the location to look after.
This movie has Black Mirror vibes. I like it.
A couple things:
1. There's no indication that Will kills himself after learning of Isla's suicide. I understood it as him living his life with the regret of not helping her and then eventually dying (like everyone else)
2. Lacey does shoot Isla in the stomach with the intention of killing her. She says she didn't kill her and just relocated her because how can you really kill someone is their consciousness is proven to continue on? She relocated her consciousness to the next plane of existence. Lacey foreshadows this earlier in the movie when she says something along the lines of "It's only a matter of time before people start killing other people since we know there's an afterlife."
Thanks for the video, it certainly helps piece things together.
as far as Will killing himself, the only indication (its light) is that she says something like "you did what everyone else did", which i interpretted as suicide... admittedly, its not definitive tho. i hear ya
as fr as number 2. i may have used poor wording. i knew she wanted to "kill" her, but i mean not "kil kill" - like a final forever kill (by shooting her in the head). poor wording on my part. apologies and thanks for highlighting that!
Why would you need to leave the brain intact for the "discovery" to occur? The way I read it, an intact brain was only necessary for the machine.
Also, I can't believe I misinterpreted that death flag. I was somehow assuming that Isla was going to end up killing Will, when she said it was just a matter of time before that happened.
She wasn't in the room when they were discussing the real discovery or tearing down the machine. Also, she seemed so happy to see him when they walked outside to address the people, that I was thinking she was going to find out what they were trying to hide and do to Will just what Lacey did to her. Either because she was pissed that he tried to keep the final discovery from her or because she wanted him to have a chance to save his mother.
I was thinking the same thing. Like i was preety sure the film never said anything about him killing himself
@@bridge4 My take on her shooting her in the side and not head was so she can put the memory she wants in her head of Will as she slowly dies cuz if it's instant then she will reloop and forget will. this way she dies slowly kissing him and that why he appears on the beach saving Oliver. so it untimely brings them both together in the next loop
Yes it’s no coincidence that she aimed for the stomach too as she theorize that her soul is stored in the brain.
One of the most important things about this film is..the discussions that are posted here. That was one of the take-aways that Justin Lader and Charlie McDowell wanted to have. That viewers enjoy the film but also talk about it. Talk about the concept and the characters. They are both brilliant writers and one of the things Charlie mentioned at one of the previews is that this movie's budget kept them focused on the characters so that the story could be told without having to spend a lot of money on things that weren't necessary. My character actually had lines that were trimmed in order to keep things cost effective. Pat and his sister Janice have an argument about not visiting the hospital.
What was the point of the slightly awkward brother character? He didn't even seem to have an arc. I also don't understand what the arc of the father was either. In fact, even the lead protagonist's motivations escaped me. Something about... Feeling guilty he shared his memory of seeing the afterlife when he temporarily died as a kid once? And mom killed herself because dad was late to dinner one too many times? And the woman's problem is she is a negligent mother who keeps losing her kid so she.... Well she just gets shot and dies and that's pretty much it. What was her arc about and what was the significance of the son she keeps losing?
@@mybluebreeze1995 that's the point of the movie. Your questioning it
what's really creepy is i watched this and had a feeling i already did
Woah
Ur on a loop get outta it..
Well pay attention this is just one perspective that you've already obtained.
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I have something to say about the outcome on this:
First of all, the Isla we get to know is a projection of Will's memory: "I'm a part of you.", and it made him clear the fact that Will felt guilty after this woman committed suicide in his first life, and it was the reason for him to always come back to the ferry.
We see him worried because he did "saved" her from commiting suicide in his latest life, but she died anyways; and he asked: "What am I supose to change?" to make her "live", and Isla said: "There's more then one way to save someone, Will." And I think he immediately thought about her son, Oliver. And that by "saving" him, Isla wouldn't intend to kill herself in the first place.
We have to keep in mind that Isla is a projection of Will's own consciousness, that's very important during the climax and the outcome of the story.
So, Will is about to die (again), and he's not ready to leave Isla, but he said to her that it's not a big deal because he will return to the exact same place ¿right?, and she tells him that he transcended that loop (when he save her in the water), and he didn't have to go there anymore, and that he will go to another "place". Will didn't want to leave her, because he felt in love with her, and he asked her: "When I get there, will I be able to remerber you?", and she answered him: "I hope so". He accepts this new "death", with the only wish of remenbering her. He "dies".
And then we saw him, on the beach, he sees little Olivier playing in the water, and he "saves" him, "meets" Isla, and the most important thing for him: he remembers her; creating a FREAKING EXISTENCIAL PARADOX. What will happen next with him remembering? It's very romantic, but does it work in this movie own universe? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All of this world, the story we see, is a elaboration of his own mind, and I think it was the way of the character to tray to "help" her, so he can be at peace with himself. So in a way, we can say that he is "saving" (or dealing) with himself, but I don't think he IS Oliver (in a metaphysics kind of way). But (speculating), if this child didn't existed at all in his first life, he can be a representation of Will.
In other way, he felt in love, out of guilt, with an elaboration of his on mind. And thrives all this resets so he can "save" her and be with her. And if we go deeper, maybe his first life was also an elaboration of his own mind, who knows.
Also, at the end of this movie we don't know in wich ways this "reality" connects with his first life:
Firs of all, the micro "flashback" of the conversation they had on the ferry in that "first life" doesn't tell much. Did this woman told him about his son? Did he find out after she comtited suicide, by the news? Did she have a son at all? What happened with the "discovery"? Did his mother committed suicided? Did he really drowned when he was little? We simply don't know.
It is a movie that leaves you with more questions than answers. It shows how "consciousness creates reality", and has a little bit of a fractal construction vibe to it. And the paradox created at the moment he remembers her, it's just crazy.
Isla means "island" in spanish, btw, and the movie develops in an island, so that adds something to the construction of the script.
If this was a book it would be called: "Dealing with guilt: A hundred ways of having a conversation, fall in love and be happy with my conscience (after my first death)." Hahahahaha.
That's my analysis on this, 6.5/10 for me.
P.S.: I REALLY liked your analysis ^-^
please let me know if i'm understanding you correctly. do u interpret it as Isla always being just a memory, until Will went to the next life? or was she only a memory that last time, when he was sort of between life and death?
as far as the names, i stil plan on doing a "things you missed" type video for this movie where i'd touch on stuff like that. there are more aside from Isla. think about "will" in terms of people leaving a "will" when they die. And wasnt their last name Harbor? i found that pretty cool (like a harbor on the sea...for boat)
when i make a "things u missed video," do you mind if i screen cap your post when i mention the "Isla" symbolism?
btw, i loved your little emoji thing. this ( ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ) hahahah that made my morning. phenomenal. actually, i loved the entire post. awesomeness. thanks for taking the time to share this!!
Hi there!
What I meant was that Isla is a construcction of Will's mind throughout the whole movie, or at least since his first "reset".
Now, having in consideration the non lienar time theme, we can say that all of the characters are "individuals on their own". And Isla and Tom are aware (in some level) of what is happening, and that is a shared reality that they have to live in till they move on to another place/time of existence (trascendence). And this has a lot to do with "reincarnation" and the Samsara's wheel.
For me, that fractal loopy multi-dimentional "one repetitive existence" premise, is kind of complex, because the decistions that they make in each of their reboot, afetcs each and every one of the planes of existance, affecting each other's lifes as well, even with someone's birth, for example. And that's pretty crazy, but anyway...
I would love to see your "things you missed video".
PS: Sorry for my english ;D
Paola Ysamar De Andrade so every time he fails to save her when he eventually dies he resets to that same ferri. While he was in limbo, he was talking to a memory of Isla (One who is strangely conscious of what is going on). He dies, moves on to the next plane of existence but, it's not a memory or a moment in his life that he lived. It's more of an alternate reality if he had been there at that very moment to save Oliver. Which now that I'm thinking about it, maybe he always subconsciously knew that the only way to save Isla was to go to that beach and be there to save Oliver. Which would explain why he was always drawn to it. I don't no it's all confusing in the end every reality doesn't matter and every individual in the infinite different realities are their own self. So the same Isla he saves is not the same Isla he first met in reality 1 or 2. She's her own but, in Will's mind he has saved her. So now Will can move on to the next regret in his life to try and fix that. But whether that be a regret in reality 1 or the other realities is another question that needs answering. I cam see why now you typed a lot. I might actually read it now.
6,5 is way too low
if there is no linear reality how do the memories get built?
This explanation made me more aware of how great this movie really is. I couldn't get the colours out of my head as well. Blue represents seeking peace and tranquility. A lot of the shots have blurred backgrounds as well, that proves it's not "Real".
I will never sleep again haha.
aw, i havent watched this in awhile. i loved it tho. and the direct and co-writer are both really great guys. i cant wait to watch their stuff for decades to come =)
The discovery actually feels real ....as we all go through those de javu moments. .....I think there is another plane of existence
Watch The OA on Netflix its gives a better example and is a great series
@@KTdgxf The OA is an amazing show, a tradgedy what happened to it.
@@TheGamerPhan does watching the 2 seasons justify it? Or does it leave you hanging ?
time is a circle
There’s ancient theories about deja vu. Usually when I notice it I try to act differently than how I remember it. It’s creepy sometimes because I can literally predict what words are about to come out of your mouth or what’s about to happen. I hope that in changing small ways I act each time I get deja vu, then I can change my destiny.
Barely watching this and hearing you say “another pandemic” got me tweakin the universe connects us all in so many ways
Pandemics happen every 5 years. Remember Ebola? H1N1? Most people forget these things.
I ignored the reviews and finally watched this, and I'm so glad I did.
Awesome movie, and thanks for the explanation. Gonna need to watch it a second time now.
+Beast Mode it's a treat th second. I keep pushing back a "things you missed" video for this movie (which are things I certainly missued as well tje first few times I watched it), but keep ur ees peeling and ears ready. Stay off ur phone while doing th3 rewatch. The first 30-40 minutes or so, if I real correctly, are jam packed with signs of everything you learned in the final scene
Thanks for ur kind words btw. and have fun on the rewatch!
(Fun fact, I've interacted with both tmod the co-writers of this film. If u have questions, or want to send ur regards, tag them twitter. They are really cool dudes. Justin Lader and Charlie mcdowell. They will probably respond to you.
I loved this movie. But after chatting with them, I became an even bigger fan of them as people and look forward to more of their works in the future. :)
FANTASTIC! This is why, when, we meet someone we either hate them, love them, feel passionate about them and wanting to help and help and help some more so their GOODWILL will shine and they'll be much happier people !!! I have had NDE's, and I came back with more love and understanding my life so much better. I have had this feeling that I needed to change my personality, my ways, and how I have treated other people or allowed them to treat me in certain ways! Why hate? When there is LOVE?!
Right back at you
I feel like my mind just expanded
Yes, this movie is similar to Buddhism religion. Eastern philosophy is fascinating.
I actually think I like the movie more now that I got to see this explanation. :D
I also picked up on the Oliver story being oddly similar to Will's childhood clinical death one. But when you brought up the name theory, Isla mentioning looking as your name, I was blown away :O Totally, in some plane of existence Oliver and Will are the same person! Which got me thinking on romantic love and son/mother love... and although it wasn't confirmed it was hinted that Will's mother also drowned, right? It happened in the tub, but still... Isla drowned in one of the realities, too! So what if Isla and Will's mom are also the same person?!
This movie is AWESOME! And your explanation just opened a Pandora's box of interpretations for me. Thank you very much!
So my question is when you’ve lived in the loop until all of you regrets have be fixed.What happens to your conscious, does it go somewhere to rest or do you cease to exist, pitch black.
That’s actually a good question
I was thinking the same
Maybe they could improve the already fixed regrets and keep doing it until it’s perfect then that’s their heaven: the fact that they don’t have regrets. And maybe that’s why we’re taught to do good deeds so that the process of fixing your regrets is a lot quicker than if you’re a bad person and have a lot of regrets.
You find moksha if you Hindu or nirvana if you Buddhist lol
This was so well explained that I can't wait to watch it again. As a matter of fact, I subscribed just so I can check back here after i've seen a movie. You're fantastic!
I liked this movie, but I felt like I was missing some interesting theories and subjects. Thanks a lot for fulfilling thoses hidden ideas that I couldn't reach!
Just watched the discovery today and needed something to rebuild my mind. Your video did just that.. thank u! I'll definitely tune in to watch your other vid on the discovery once it's up. Subbed
+Mars Lucius awesome. Thanks Mars!
they get into a different reality where they chose to go for xbox instead of psp
Thank you for explaining it, it was driving me nuts !
Man I just watched this movie and typed in reviews and of course you did a review on it haha.
Great job. This movie is kinda blowing my mind. Such a deep, deep story. Wow.
I needed this explanation. I kept starting and stopping this movie in various places over the last few years because my own existential crisis couldn't handle it lol. I just watched it from beginning to end now, had some questions and found your video. Thank you.
Very interesting insight here. I watched the movie for the 2nd time this afternoon and I definitely think you're on the right track. It was fun picking up on things that I didn't notice in the 1st viewing. And I think the movie will only get better with more viewings.
This was great, thank you so much!
my pleasure, Sir. thanks for the kind word!
I liked the movie, but it begs the question to be asked: Once you've gone back and "fixed" your "greatest regret," wouldn't a new "greatest regret" eventually occur? How often would you keep re-living your life? Till "perfection"? What then? Also, wouldn't "one long drawn out middle" be a kind of "hell"?
Interesting philosophical questions.
To this, I say: The Road to Wisdom is Easy to Express: Err & Err & Err Again, But Less & Less & Less. (Piet Hein) At some point we graduate, and get to move on to higher-dimension realms. Earth is a very heavy place, where we get to experience things with much higher intensity. A lot of karma can be worked out here in a relatively short period of time.
Great reaction..I’ve always felt like I’m in a loop, reincarnation n or alternate parallel lives and decided to research cuz at times I felt alone n maybe crazy for thinking that but it’s so satisfying witnessing movies & books that align with my thoughts, like everyone is really interconnected, like we know but it goes beyond our comprehension.. but question still feels like a forever looping need part II ...tik tok had the movie and I watched it tonight n came straight here after.
That was a great breakdown, I'm definitely going to watch it again.
+Ryan Burge thank you, sir
dude very cool. this is literally the only video like this on TH-cam...and I'm surprised there aren't more. sure...the movie wasn't perfect.. but I liked it. I do in fact subscriber to the idea that he is oliver... I mean... it's just too on the nose for it to be nothing. n again dude this was really well done. I just got done watching that movie lime 15 min ago and I jumped on here for some clarification... which you provided. thanks!
edit: upon further search I see that there are more videos with this same topic.. but I have no need for them. you did more than suffice
Thank you for this explanation!
watched the movie last night and loved it. Your explanation really helped me to understand the bigger picture for the second time watching the movie
nice. it's still a work in progresss tbh. i would take what i said with a grain of salt since i think my video is incomplete and the movie can be interpretted various ways
but there's a couple useful tidbits in there i guess. glad it helped. thanks for the feedback. appreciate it =)
Amazing review and explanation of everything!!! Wow! Thanks for putting this together - I just finished watching it and your discussion was very enlightening! Thank you 😊
i got lucky :-P
thank you for the kind words Lala. amazing movie. the team who put it together are really talented
You're very welcome, and you didn't get lucky - you are clever! I agree - it was a really great film, very thought provoking. Thanks again for your discussion video, I really enjoyed it :)
Loved this!! Thanks!!
:))
Outstanding video. Just finish4d this movie last night so good.
Awesome explanation.
Thanks 4 this 😊👌🏻
all credit to the writers ans those involved in this production. thank you for the kind words tho, ser :))
very well put together man
thanks, Serrano!
It's missing some pieces though. I'm slowly rethinking things and also learning from other people. So I may do a second version of this in a couple weeks (without the recap portion - just a second video focusing on the new interpretation, so hopefully i will keep it down around 5-7 minutes the second time around
anyway, thanks again for ur kind words!
Ur very well put together man
Your review makes perfect sense and make the movie much much enjoyable.
thanks!
Very Well Done. Thank you for this.
+Stephen Epic no my pleasure. Been meaning to do a "thing u missed" type video of all the signs. I took notes awhile ago. I gotta schedule time to bust that one out
Anywya, thanks for ur kind words, sir :)
I felt it was something like Buddhism reincarnation, you just have to let go and move along to your new self
i'm not too well versed in Buddhism reincarnation, but i bet people could draw parallels between this movie and various religions. the biggest takeaway i got was the concept of forgiveness. forgiving others AND forgiving yourself...
@@bridge4 Ever notice how every modern religion is about forgiveness and redemption? We are all guilty about something. Whether it was killing God’s son, or being born in a lower caste class.
@@angelgjr1999 jesus is not gods son. Jesus is gods prophet.
Buddhism isn't about moving to new self.
Buddhism is about cessation.
Keep reincarnating over and over is considered a suffering.
Buddhism looks for cessation actually, meaning to eventually not being born again.
That way you will not suffer anymore
Now, I'm fully satisfied finally.
Thank you,bro👍🏻
Best explanation, thank you! 🙂
This really made me happy and hopeful thank you
This is one of my favorite movies. I can’t explain why I love this movie so much.
This was a fascinating watch. I love films that make you question meanings, both within the film and in life.
I just watched this movie and I had to come here to see your interpretation. And now that I saw this I'm going to rewatch it again. This cleared it up to me so much.
Awesome summary. Loved this movie.
Man this was a perfect explanation ending!! Thanks
Wow, brilliant video. I just finished watching this, and I needed more answers. I think if they just drew out the explanation at the end a bit more it would have been better.
thanks, Neil. if you rewatch it, there are TONS of signs through the entire thing. i keep intending to make a video, but i'm just behind on it. the movie was pretty well thought out imo
anyway, thanks for the kind words =)
very good explanation thank you dude
+Erica Faini thanks Erica :) I think I fell short on will tho since I focused on explaining how isla moved on. Seems that she helped him as well. The main thing I missed is that he ended up forgiving his father :)
loved the movie, thankyou for helping to make sense of it all, something I did notice that I don’t think any one else has is the mum. You never get to see a close up picture of her throughout apart from seeing her in the dads memory but as she appeared closer I knew who it was. Right at the beginning of the film the dad is being interviewed by a woman. The woman states that she had been specifically asked for by the dad. I think this is another alternate world and this is the mum, the dads subconscious got her to interview him without him really knowing that it’s her, if that makes sense. I really felt that she in particular meant something. He was on another alternate world and she was there with him he just didn’t realise. But he asked for that interviewer on purpose.
Interesting!!
Thankyou for explaining the movie
I want to know why the doc's assistant was recording messages to himself!
He was a psychopath. xD
I thought it was supposed to be messages to god or something along those lines
I think he was Journaling stuff so that if he killed himself he would have those documents maybe
I actually enjoy your recap others don't explain the movie the way you do
I can almost relate it with quantum physics (superposition, entanglement and measurement) but in a human scale. Key points to this is: "time is a nonlinear illusion", planes of existence could be interpreted as parallel worlds and the scientific evidence of an after life.
Wow, I liked the explanation, it was difficult to find a video to help me understand the ending, especially in my language (Portuguese), thanks
+César Augusto my pleasure. Glad u liked it. Are u able to understand my voice and accent? Should I focus on articulating better?
For me it's good, I understood without problems.
you know the hilarious part? I still don't understand it
great theory man..... keep it...I am sure your channel will grow to the heights....all the best for future
Also +1 sub
+Gamers Threshold thank you for the kind words :) really appreciate it!
Great explanation...just made the movie better. Thank you!
thanks!! you know what the coolest part was. one of the actors, and one of the writers hit me up and chatted for a little. amazing people!! =))
Perfect ending of the video. It deserves much more views!
Whoa. Okay...(sigh)..you did it again..great vid, great content, perfect voice.Thank you.Will probably rewatch your vid several more times now! It's a tricky one! (Fun)
+Linda Shovea thank u!!! U made my morning!!
instead of my rewatching my video tho, rewatch the movie. :) I realized that I'm probably still missing sooooo much
Here's an example. I focused on how he saved her and let her move. And then he followed as if he is some sort of angel.
But that's not doing her justice. She probably saved him as well! A line that is jumping out to me is when where she told will 'u have to forgive him' in reference to is father. (I think it may have been during the daytime (3rd?) Bunkbed scene)
Forgiving his father was probably the big change that allowed will to transfer to a new plane of existence. :)
What do u think?
This explanation was really clear. I bawled at the end of the movie. But there are a couple things I don’t understand:
1 - what was the proof that Thomas found that the consciousness/brain waves go somewhere? Surely it had to be something undeniable, demonstrable and graphic to have millions of people immediately believe it and commit suicide.
2 - when people die and go to the next plane where they try to fix their biggest regret - is the idea that there are always these alternate planes of existence going on, and when you die in one plane, your consciousness gets transferred to you in another plane? Or do you reincarnate like get born at again and relive it all?
I'd say you are transferred to a plane where you made all the same choices except one or two that created said regret.
@@Sugho2023 But then what happens to the consciousness that was already in that body that actually did make all those choices? What happens when you die really old?
@@Red1Green2Blue3 They fuse I guess.
His own experience of him drowning gave him the ability to save the boy at last. Maybe the Will wasn't Oliver in another reality/dimension, but because he had that lifethreatening experience and knowledge he could realize in what dangerous situation the boy was in whereas another person wouldn't estimate it as risky and wouldn't help the boy, walking by leading him to drown without knowing.
I had these situations in my own life where I knew something and I didn't help a person because I thought they surely were aware of what they are doing and was surprised when what I forsaw happened and in other situations I helped and people actually thanked me that I pointed it out to them, some didn't say anything which was okay too because I knew what could be.
I understood the movie but your break down gave me alot more than what I expected!
But what disturbs me is that this is what’s to come in the future bc it’s like they subconsciously prepare us through movies etc.
Exactly my thoughts 💀, we know too much...
Movies have a great way of having subtle messages or clues about whatever the hell is going on here
Thank you, and well done.
thanks, Martin!
Thank you for watching !!!!
one of the few good movies I have seen in a long time.It is about us as a whole and the importance of learning from our mistakes and from other people mistakes also.Simple things are the most complicated and even if they think that they know what happens afterlife a new set of questions are thrown on the scene like the question about animals or children/newborn after life.
+Cristi Soare great post! I need to pin this tomorrow when I wake up and get to a computer. Well said :)
amazing movie will go down as one of my all time faves, with the ending being one of the things I always thought happened when you died but no one else has ever mentioned in other movies.
+joey_rooklyn ha e u rewatched it yet or did u get it the first time through?
+joey_rooklyn I agree btw. Awesome movie. Very deep! I can't wait until they write another
I have to admit your video added another layer I had not noticed the first time around, watching a 2nd time after the video you made - made the movie better, Thanks for the upload. Michio Kaku has the bubbles / multiverse - but I think its like when you were a kid and painted in water colors, that these worlds / parallel universe can overlap where the colors run together.
+joey_rooklyn oh wow. Cool analogy. That's awesome. Thanks!
bridge4 Haven't seen the movie yet (complications w time), but still want to rewatch yours before I see it!
i'm torn on that. personally, i dont mind spoilers because i watch things over and over anyway. so it's nice to have some ammo in advance. in that sense, i dont blame ya.
but im not gonna lie. i hate BEING that spoiler ya know lol. bc seeing it the first time through without spoilers is a special experience in its own right
but anyway, when you get to it, i hope you enjoy it as much as i did =)
This movie was underrated! Your analysis was excellent. I ll propose a couple more things. I dont think they were intended by the writers but they definitively left room for interpretation. Firstly there is no beginning reality, and no ending (goal) reality. What we saw was a period of Will's consciousness, he defines consciousness as brainwaves. There is no need for a first discovery, it was his explanation of what's going on.... everyone in what you called reality 2 was a figment of his own consciousness. It goes the same with all 3 realities we saw. The discovery in a sense was his explanation of going through the iterations. He is thomas, Will and Oliver. Maybe he even is everyone. With the exception of isla who is someone important. But after so many iterations, roles are mixed up. Sometimes she is his wife sometimes his mother. The machine is also fictional. Its a subconscious way of seeing his iterations. In some of them he died as a child "what happens when a child dies?" Will's mother in reality 1 committed suicide by drowning cause her son (Will) drowned. Isla intends to do the same. He project' his mother on the fictional character of Isla. All three realities are equally real. Death is a relocation. That was his explanation. Also I have a theory that death was not necessary to go through consciousnesses... In the beginning Will is Thomas. Maybe he jumps immediately to Will and reality 2 or maybe he dies "as everybody else" and then goes as Will in reality 2, where his projection Isla, immediately questions his identity. I could go on. This was a brilliant plot and heavily underrated. I hope in time people realize the potential.
When you said "Maybe he was everyone" I immediately thought about series "Dark". Same concept but with different plot. I just love this type of multiverse stories. Leave you without answers but also without questions. Nothing to be solved. It's just as it is. No beginning or end. It just is. You choose something and it exists. When you die, you came back to same place to choose something else. Or maybe it happens at the same time. Time is not important. It's always PRESENT but ever expanding present. Just like our universe :)
Very good video.
This really helped me understand some of the meta aspects. However I believe Lacy shot Isla in the stomach as she believed her soul resided there and she legitimately wanted to move her soul from this plane of existence.
This was a very beautiful film. I was moved. I felt empty yet inspired; hope and despair. I consider this movie an accomplishment. As things seem to fall apart around us, the only thing we can do is live our lives for someone else.
What a beautiful profound statement..and when u live for someone.. it's actually for u - that u live for..bcos we all are one
Thanks for this
+sheepairsupport np. My pleasure. Great movie#
trust me. i loved the movie. this was my pleasure. when i make the videos, it forces me to dive in and understand it a little better. and then i always end up learning even more from ideas people share in the comment section =)
He couldn't get over his mothers suicide until he saves the girl from committing suicide.
ahhhhhh you are awesome. i realized after making the video that i focused WAY too much on him saving her and not her saving him
so i was thinking that he was able to movie on since he forgave his dad. but i think you are right as well. he may finally be over his mother's suicide.... and maybe its because he knows that she moved on. and he doesnt have to worry about her? what do u think?
@bridge4 right! but also the movie hints that oliver is actually will right so it’s safe to assume that lila is wills mom. so when he saves lila from committing suicide, he’s technically saving his mom from committing suicide in a different reality. everything is connected.
@@stfuliana that’s kinda incest isn’t it
Although this was well thought out, and detailed.... I'm still lost. lol
lol, dont worry. you're not alone. i keep seeing some things differently. its a tricky one, thats for sure
Basically when you die you relive past regrets untill you get it right
One has to watch this movie a few times! I sometimes I think to myself - "How can anyone write a story like this"? Then I'll find out that in most cases there are always two people who can write like this! I hope I'll find that person very soon who I can write with! =)
@@geyj1 Yes I agree there’s so many little details that are easy to miss. There are multiple realities in this movie that are kind of hard to notice. For example, did you notice that Will’s clothing is slightly different in different scenes?
@@jacobgonzalez4235
What the hell is that? 😂
I can't imagine reliving the past regret.
How do we exist in that the other reality first of all
spot on
i dunno about that. but i tried! =)
Finally watched this film! Thanks for the vid you posted... I watched it alone, so all the comments here are like a discussion for me. I'm gonna process it for a bit, then watch again to see it from a diff perspective. If anything, all the comments on here just made my brain explode more, was hoping for more closure, haha!
hahah sorry. hyeah its one of those thats open to interpretation for sure. but some rabbit holes are fun =))
I just saw this movie and what i think is you don't go to any other reality or whatever loop , it's just your brain thinking of other possibilities that could happen as we always think of changing things to have some other outcome.
this movie made me cry not because of the movie itself because I just remembered my regrets and put myself in a situation on which I would choose? now or fix my regrets.
Few years ago I thought about some similar idea for a draft based on the concept that when you are about to die your whole life flashes before your eyes, however when the flashback ends isntead of it ending and you die, you enter into a second flashback as soon as the first flashback is about to end and so infinitely, basically creating a loop in which the protagonist is stuck. I'm truely happy to see that some really good writers thought about something similar and made it into the best movie I have watched so far.
Just watched the film and really enjoyed it , the ending was a bit mental though so i watched this video and it explained everything . Thankyou so much , i'm about to watch it again and hopefully understand it a bit better ......... the film reminded me of "eternal sunshine of the spotless mind" ?
no problem, my pleasure. and trust me, im with u. i had rewatched it twice the first day, then a third time the day later when i started thjis video. and even tho i said that i watchd it three times in the video, i had probably watched a handful of scenes 5 times in trying to figure this out LOL
and i'm sure i still havent figured it out. but we made progress at least =)
1) I don't thing will kills himself in reality one. I believe he just died. Wills version of Isla (the first 're-incarnated' one we see on the boat at the end) tells him about him going about his life but his regret about not saving a stranger isla. And then she said 'you just died like everybody else.' Also to him (at this point) he doesn't see suicide as an answer, for both moral and discovery reasons. So I don't think the first time he died, it was suicide.
not to be nitpicky, but i think the wording was slightly different. instead of 'you just died like everybody else', i think it was 'you died just like everybody else'
if it was the second wording, that leads me to believe he committed suicide. but no matter what, i feel like it was open ended. as opposed to the wording of the sentence, its probably better to look at the situation/motivations like you did. to see if it fit his character. i'll keep an open mind to this next time i watch the movie
thanks for sharing a contrary opinions. appreciate it!! =)
I'm glad I found this vid so I don't have to watch the movie another 9 times.
Lol
0 DISLIKES ON THIS VIDEO. Well that is a first I see on TH-cam. This was an amazing analysis. You know this movie reminds me of the TV SHOW "DARK" In a way in which also explained there us not Beginning or End. I find these topics so fascinating.
I haven't watched the movie, after your review I definitely will.... Thanks
Great video explaining. Also no thumbs down!
+HelplmAlive thanks :)
This movie is hard to understand but this helped me thanks, I really liked the film I need to watch it again
same here. i watched it a bunch of times in a row. i'm almost due for a rewatch with a fresh mind =)
This is giving me memories of the videogame Bioshock infinite. You should check it out. Great video!
to me...this movie was on the same level and theme as "I origins" somber... cerebral as hell...and beautiful.
+Eric Tomlinson ive never seen I origins. Thanks for the recommendation!
awesome post! loved this movie, reminds me of The OA!
I almost thought it was the same actress at first
i was curious if you were going to watch this. I feel like there will be good cross-over between the OA fans and the Discovery fans
and i'm seeing similar responses online. just like the OA, people seem to either really like or be really put off by this movie
i happen to be on TeamTheDiscovery and TeamTheOA tho =)
i'm glad to see you are, too, Keisha!!
And I'm still overdue for OA videos. here;s my latest update. so my channel subs has nearly doubled since i started doing Game of Thrones vids. so from now until the end of season 7 (late summer), im tyring to do a Game of Thrones video as 1 out of every 2 or 3 videos so that I don't alienate my new subscribers. Im trying to keep growing =)
So that why i keep postponing the OA analysis unfortunately.
but this is my new tenative plan for this week
Today: GoT video (havent chosen a topic.. which is a bad sign because i usually need more than a day to turn around a video if im starting from scratch (no prior research on the internet, books, and episodes). so this might roll in to tomorrow
but optimistically:
Tommorrow: 2 easy OA videos. "why did she leave the doors open" and "can the OA REad" or something like that. basically, I see those comments pop up a lot, so ill make a video to try to address what we know and the various theories/interpreations for those 2
Saturday: The Discovery "What you Missed + Easter Eggs" - im pretty pumped for this. remember when he was sitting there and Isla explained the loops... we saw 4-6 examples of de ja vouz and what not (pulls, holding head, "you look familiar", etc). i have a list of 25 different signs so far. and i plan on watching again to find more. so that one will be fun. but i have it booked as "saturday" for that reason i mentiond above. im trying not to lose my Game of Thrones subs, so ill do another Got video in between those 2 OA ones and this 2nd Discovery one
but with that said, I still want to do a full rewatch and theory video of the OA. and when i do, i am going to go through every comment you ever wrote here. I cant recall specifically what it was, but i know there was something u said once that i DEFINITELY wanted to highlight to people (and give u credit of course)
so yeah. Ill; do another GoT after the 2nd Discovery vidoe, but the plan would be for an OA followup after that (earlt to mid next week =) im pretty pumped bc i havent watched it fully through since i made those videos a couple months ago. im excited =)
thank you, btw!
i've seen a couple people say that!
I'm a huge Brit MArling fan, as writer, actress, and most importantly, as a person. she seems like a total Gem to this world
but the actress here has her own cool story. I haven't listened to as many interviews of her as I have of Brit (at least not yet), but she does a bunch of charity work, so that's winning in my book. When people ask me what my goal is, I say that i Am an aspiring philanthropist. well Rooney Mara IS a philanthropist, of both her time and wealth =)
here are 2 excerts from wikipedia:
(1) Mara is also known for her charity work and oversees the charity Uweza Foundation, which supports empowerment programs for children and families in the Kibera slum in Nairobi, Kenya, one of the largest slums in Africa.
(2) Mara was born and raised in Bedford, New York, a town in Westchester County.[3] Mara's mother's family founded the Pittsburgh Steelers and her father's family founded the New York Giants.[4] Her father, Timothy Christopher Mara, is the vice president of player evaluation for the New York Giants, and her mother, Kathleen McNulty (née Rooney), a part-time real estate agent.[5] She is the third of four children: she has an older brother, Daniel, an older sister, Kate, who is also an actress, and a younger brother, Conor.
I'm doing research on the cast and the writers, Justin Lader and Charlie McDowell. Everyone involved in this production seems to be a role model. So the story alone had me at hello (did i just say that? LOL im such a dork), but as I find out more about the people behind it, I am appreciating the work even more (just like the OA)
Keisha Maria that's because these aren't just movies or TV shows that are trying to make us slowly Realize..
Great film just finished watching it.
For sure. My hats off to everyone involved as well
when will first sees the boy going into the ocean, my first thought was that it was him as a boy and he was there to save himself, not just from drowning, but in a spiritual way as well. I like the ending. I like to think he siezed the day.
+Justin G I agree. Ending was cool :)
That thought occurred to me because they never had sex which would have made him an MF.
Okay anyone notice that in his other life’s that there was like a weird lighting difference around Will
There's a British guy named Anthony Peake that believes that we all relive our lives over and over again like in Groundhog Day. He has a ton of interviews and lectures on TH-cam if you wanna see them. I wonder if he's seen this movie.
If that's true, then hell is right here on earth. Because I was born into a family of coke addicts and alcoholics, then married into a cult-minded family. I finally "escaped" at age 37. It's been a rough life. I hope to God I don't have to do it again. In fact, the only thing that got me through those awful years was the belief that it was all a test, and that once I "passed" the test(s), I would move on to something better. The thought of reliving what has been my life makes me feel a bit sick.
Damn This movie should be uprated!
It feels so real!
Literally!
I needed this video lol
lol. what do u mean?
bridge4 he needed it to understand the movie.
whoops. i should probably make sure i'm fully awake before i start responding to comments =). thanks for the clarification, BigMo!
bridge4 don't worry about it 😂😂😂😂
U also need to find God
Mind Blown
in a good way i hope, lol
please tell me you saw the movie tho. i didnt spoil it for you, right?
Yeah just finished watching it
oh ok. *phew* ! i get paranoid that im going to spoil stuff for people. i am getting better at putting in an immediate spoiler warning and 25s-30s intros. but i know that inevtiably, someone is going to have youtube autoplaying in the background and im going to be the Spoilerer (spell check is telling me thats not a word...it should be lol)
this movie really had me thinking
This statements are really, really important, deep, true and yet...i´m confused more and more. Sick.
this is simualary to "Photografing Faries" from 1997.. obscure but one of my top looper films; LIKE DD
hey Erika, what is a "looper." are u referring to films where the plots sort of loops around i guess? did u make up that turn? i love it. it should be used more often if its not already...
So all in all....we all live repeatedly and only of us has a chance to recall little memories where we came from before...but still we dont know and remember everything...its like a new revision of ourselves with minor scratches of the previous life or origin