Your demonstration on eyelights vs no eyelights really made me realize how important every detail is, as it really does make a huge difference that we don't usually think about. I'm in awe in how much work goes into filming.
Maybe I'm wrong, but Infrared doesn't seem to interact with skin the same way the visible light spectrum does, there is less to no subsurface scattering happening with infrared light, making the skin look clay-like, less human.
I'm very impressed by your explanation of your process. you take a lot of time with something that I've always considered key--that the best way to get an image you want is being able to describe it well, before you can figure out how to make it happen.
I once had a bug on my phone where i only got infrared shots. I loved this effect so much but never really knew what it was. Thanks for letting me know it was infrared!
Awesome. Also I keep wondering how come the rubber prosthetics over Feyd-Rautha and Baron' didn't impact the IR emission compared to their faces, like their heads and foreheads wouldn't react like normal skin.
I see a similar effect of The Engineer, in the movie Prometheus (2012). That almost translucent skin is unique. Having blonde or light coloured eyelashes helps. Avoiding reflections on the eye leaves them looking soulless.
The part about eye-light is very shocking to me, how can such a little detail change so drastically the portrayal of a scene? Definitely want to know more about those film-making tricks.
even if the viewer doesn't pick up on small details like that, the brain does subconsciously, while saying it drastically affects the scene is a bit of an exaggeration it definitely contributes - movies are full of tiny tricks like that to coerce the viewer into feeling a certain way
this was really awesome, an infrared scene i would love to see recreated or explained is the one from Jonathan Glazer’s zone of interest, i think it might use a different kind of thermal technique but I’m not sure
Love the video! Also, I am not sure they used filtration on these, they may have but i believe they just used an infrared modded arri 65 for the infrared capturing, in which they removed the infrared limiter. There are some great interviews with DP greig fraser about it.
They removed the internal IR-blocking filter known as a "hot mirror." Without that internal hot mirror, the camera captures IR, visible, and UV light (similar to this 2:08). To achieve the desired effect, they used an infrared filter after removing the hot mirror to cut out UV & visible light and hone in on a specific IR wave-length, creating the black and white look seen in Dune.
I was skeptical at first, but that's pretty impressive. Do you guys make 46mm infrared filters? I would be interested to see what it would look like on a drone
Thanks for the compliment! In fact, we have 46mm infrared-size filters: kolarivision.com/product/kolari-pro-gen-3-infrared-lens-filter/ and we also sell drone filters: kolarivision.com/product-tag/drone-and-gopro-filters/
I did pretty much this exact thing the weekend after the movie came out. Actually bought eyebrow blocker prosthetics as a cosplay test, put an IR filter on my camera, and did a little shoot. I don't have an IR converted DSLR so the effect wasn't as good, but shooting B&W at high ISO with a strobe as a light source worked okay. The eyebrow prosthetics sucked, though. I need to find a better solution.
would you reccomend a full spectrum camera to do nowmal film production and the occasional jaunt into IR/UV film work, or would it be too cumbersome to have additional filters to essentially make this a normal camera on the daily?
We would 100% recommend a full spectrum conversion. Everything we film on this channel is with a full spectrum camera and a hot mirror. It varies between cameras but with our clip-in filters and other form factors it is incredibly simple to put in a hot mirror and forget it is there until you want to remove it.
i had no idea that infrared photography exists. how would the giedi prime scenes have looked if it was just shot regularly? i assume it takes more than just setting the saturation slider to zero. could this look be achieved by just tinkering in the video editing software?
Short answer: no. As someone pointed out above, IR captures light differently, i.e. skin has less subsurface scattering. Unfortunatly, we don't have a "turn skin subsurface scattering on/off" in After Effects, but maybe one the someone makes an AI filter that is trained on IR footage and can mimic it.
If you get a full spectrum conversion your camera is able to capture ultra-Violet, visible, and infrared light. That means depending on the filter you choose you can shoot black and white IR, false color IR, normal visible light, and UV.
No you will need to have a dedicated infrared or full-spectrum conversion done on your camera. Learn more here kolarivision.com/full_spectrum_conversion
I am thinking about using this at night possibly for a fantasy/sci-fi short but wonder, can these lenses allow for more definition in low light? I shoot with an FX3 for context. I’d also be shooting in the woods or country with lots of foliage.
things look different in IR, some things are also a lot more visible when filmed in infrared, most commonly things like veins and so on. It looks pretty different, skin looks more "powdered" and smooth, eyes look glazed over
omg, how much marketing blah-blah for something costing almost nothing, a camera with no UV/IR cut, and an infrared filter, opening at say 850nm and OD4-5.
850, not 720, but whatever. Unless you have 850nm LEDs projecting light, all the camera saw was darkness. Light bulbs emit infrared, not LEDs. Marketing blah blah blah, sales pitch. Downvoted.
Sadly, if a big production like Dune uses something, it then becomes painfully derivative to that production if used after by someone else - homage or not. People will just say 'Oh they're just ripping off Dune'. Remember the Matrix killed off a lot of methods and genres for that very reason.
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Your demonstration on eyelights vs no eyelights really made me realize how important every detail is, as it really does make a huge difference that we don't usually think about. I'm in awe in how much work goes into filming.
This is such a high-value video. It is so educational to see detail by detail how you recreate that seemingly simple shot.
Maybe I'm wrong, but Infrared doesn't seem to interact with skin the same way the visible light spectrum does, there is less to no subsurface scattering happening with infrared light, making the skin look clay-like, less human.
I'm very impressed by your explanation of your process. you take a lot of time with something that I've always considered key--that the best way to get an image you want is being able to describe it well, before you can figure out how to make it happen.
Much appreciated! It is the most important part!
I once had a bug on my phone where i only got infrared shots. I loved this effect so much but never really knew what it was. Thanks for letting me know it was infrared!
Awesome. Also I keep wondering how come the rubber prosthetics over Feyd-Rautha and Baron' didn't impact the IR emission compared to their faces, like their heads and foreheads wouldn't react like normal skin.
I see a similar effect of The Engineer, in the movie Prometheus (2012). That almost translucent skin is unique. Having blonde or light coloured eyelashes helps. Avoiding reflections on the eye leaves them looking soulless.
The part about eye-light is very shocking to me, how can such a little detail change so drastically the portrayal of a scene? Definitely want to know more about those film-making tricks.
even if the viewer doesn't pick up on small details like that, the brain does subconsciously, while saying it drastically affects the scene is a bit of an exaggeration it definitely contributes - movies are full of tiny tricks like that to coerce the viewer into feeling a certain way
I heard that in another movie, they had an eyelight, then turned it off when the character died. Somehow that worked.
Bro, why aren't you blinking?
for cinematic reasons
The result is incredible. Great job.
Thank you!
Wow the amount of knowledge you have to have in order to notice all that details is amazing 👍🏻 Super interesting video!
Very cool! Learnt a lot from this. You guys deserve more subs
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have played with my IR camera for years and never think that I can use it to shoot story telling footages. I will try it in near future.
I was really happy to see infrared shot in the movie. I hope to see more of them in the future. Thanks for explaining how it was done :D
this was really awesome, an infrared scene i would love to see recreated or explained is the one from Jonathan Glazer’s zone of interest, i think it might use a different kind of thermal technique but I’m not sure
The detail about eyelight / no eyelight was very insightful, thanks!
that's actually a really good recreation, great job
My full spectrum camera will also going to be used in movie making
came here expecting entertainment and got that and education! Thanks for all the useful info man!!
Love the video! Also, I am not sure they used filtration on these, they may have but i believe they just used an infrared modded arri 65 for the infrared capturing, in which they removed the infrared limiter. There are some great interviews with DP greig fraser about it.
100% - the same exact camera was used for Loyle Carner’s “Nobody Knows” video:
th-cam.com/video/kaDgT7w4dEg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=F_bplW-_F8K6AHcm
They removed the internal IR-blocking filter known as a "hot mirror." Without that internal hot mirror, the camera captures IR, visible, and UV light (similar to this 2:08). To achieve the desired effect, they used an infrared filter after removing the hot mirror to cut out UV & visible light and hone in on a specific IR wave-length, creating the black and white look seen in Dune.
Honestly had no idea this was shot in infrared. Really cool video
This deserves more view
I’m curious to know how these results would change if you used tungsten lights, considering how much of their spectrum is in the infrared zone.
It's seems to be film light (LED / HDMI / TUNGSTEN) + small infrared light shot to the face of the subject (as seen on the making of).
I was skeptical at first, but that's pretty impressive.
Do you guys make 46mm infrared filters? I would be interested to see what it would look like on a drone
Thanks for the compliment!
In fact, we have 46mm infrared-size filters: kolarivision.com/product/kolari-pro-gen-3-infrared-lens-filter/
and we also sell drone filters: kolarivision.com/product-tag/drone-and-gopro-filters/
It's nice they could invite Michael Cera to present this subject
Great video! & love the results!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
What does it look like with different skin tones
FINALLY SOMEONE DOES THIS
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Wow! I'm extremely impressed, I'm going to try and use this in an upcoming video compeition of mine!
how much light do you feel was lost when shooting with led?
Awesome video! One of your filters is the next thing I'll buy for my camera!🙌
dude said "using minimal gear", and then the gear showed up.... -_-
Now I want to see a scene shot in ultraviolet.
I did pretty much this exact thing the weekend after the movie came out. Actually bought eyebrow blocker prosthetics as a cosplay test, put an IR filter on my camera, and did a little shoot. I don't have an IR converted DSLR so the effect wasn't as good, but shooting B&W at high ISO with a strobe as a light source worked okay. The eyebrow prosthetics sucked, though. I need to find a better solution.
Is it necessary to transform the camera or is it enough to put the filter on the lens?
Impressive stuff. Great job
would you reccomend a full spectrum camera to do nowmal film production and the occasional jaunt into IR/UV film work, or would it be too cumbersome to have additional filters to essentially make this a normal camera on the daily?
We would 100% recommend a full spectrum conversion. Everything we film on this channel is with a full spectrum camera and a hot mirror. It varies between cameras but with our clip-in filters and other form factors it is incredibly simple to put in a hot mirror and forget it is there until you want to remove it.
Thank you for this
Great Results, I though you were going to remove filters from the sensor
Great work guys
i had no idea that infrared photography exists. how would the giedi prime scenes have looked if it was just shot regularly? i assume it takes more than just setting the saturation slider to zero. could this look be achieved by just tinkering in the video editing software?
Short answer: no. As someone pointed out above, IR captures light differently, i.e. skin has less subsurface scattering. Unfortunatly, we don't have a "turn skin subsurface scattering on/off" in After Effects, but maybe one the someone makes an AI filter that is trained on IR footage and can mimic it.
I want to convert my canon T7i to shoot IR. Can the filters allow for both color and b&w or do I have to choose one or another.
If you get a full spectrum conversion your camera is able to capture ultra-Violet, visible, and infrared light. That means depending on the filter you choose you can shoot black and white IR, false color IR, normal visible light, and UV.
So if I have a BMPCC6kPro I just need one of these filters to achieve a similar look?
No you will need to have a dedicated infrared or full-spectrum conversion done on your camera. Learn more here kolarivision.com/full_spectrum_conversion
I am thinking about using this at night possibly for a fantasy/sci-fi short but wonder, can these lenses allow for more definition in low light? I shoot with an FX3 for context. I’d also be shooting in the woods or country with lots of foliage.
Villeneuve: May thy Canon chip and shatter :D
Did you guys had to change anything in the sensor of the camera? or you can get infrared by just using the filter?
Hi Lucas, it's a full-spectrum modified camera. If you're interested, you can learn more here: kolarivision.com/full_spectrum_conversion/
Fraser said that the alexa 65 has an anti infrarred filter, so they removed it and the camera could already record in infrared natively
I wonder if someone's going to try streaming like this at some point
Amazing.
3:54 Dude looked like Layne Staley. Min reason why I clicked on the video.
And what difference makes using IR instead of black and white filming techniques?
The colors will be very different. For example, foliage will look white in infrared but dark grey on traditional black and white
things look different in IR, some things are also a lot more visible when filmed in infrared, most commonly things like veins and so on. It looks pretty different, skin looks more "powdered" and smooth, eyes look glazed over
Sora please turn my footage to look like it was shot using infrared camera
love u for ihis
That’s not how you say hoyte hoytema
This was a cool and insightful video but you should definitely know how to pronounce Harkonnen correctly
omg, how much marketing blah-blah for something costing almost nothing, a camera with no UV/IR cut, and an infrared filter, opening at say 850nm and OD4-5.
850, not 720, but whatever. Unless you have 850nm LEDs projecting light, all the camera saw was darkness. Light bulbs emit infrared, not LEDs. Marketing blah blah blah, sales pitch. Downvoted.
@@palvaradinagy6703 We carry and sell IR flashlights and used IR emitting lights centered at 850nm for this project.
may your lens break and shatter /jokes
fresnel anyone?
Sadly, if a big production like Dune uses something, it then becomes painfully derivative to that production if used after by someone else - homage or not. People will just say 'Oh they're just ripping off Dune'. Remember the Matrix killed off a lot of methods and genres for that very reason.
Dude chiil. Denis Villeneu is genius, not u