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Season 4 Episode 21: Life on Mars
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Look at Matty nailing this scene without saying a single word. He had so much more to do in this world...smh
Nah, he was not a nice dude
That was his downfall. He kept trying to reach the same level of 'relevance'
For those who don't understand this scene: Hoynes was having affair and showing off to the woman by leaking classified information. The Mistress then took the information and went to a Journalist.
Who was the woman with the letter?
@@rickyray2794staffer
@@rickyray2794 secretary i think
Yeah, I totally get the weight of this scene but for the non WestWing fanatics, a lot of context is needed for this scene.
@@rickyray2794 one of VP Hoyne’s staff. Someone he trusts who would deliver that letter and not share it with the world.
Matthew Perry was a great comedic actor, but I just love him in these more serious and subtle roles. I wish he had been given more chances to show us this side of his talent
Studio 13? I think it was called. Lasted one season but it was a solid show He was good in it
@@terrygracy8345studio 60, amazing show
@@terrygracy8345 I do remember that one ( I think it was also by Sorkin too), but yeah I hated that it only lasted a season.
@@terrygracy8345 Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. Ironically Sorkin made Bradley Whitfield's character an alcoholic and drug addict. Timothy Busfield (Danny Concannon) played their boss. Allison Janey also guest starred on one episode. There were 2 main problems that led to the show's cancellation. First, the scenes of the show within a show (a SNL type sketch show) weren't very good. The other main problem was 30 Rock also came out that year. Even though neither show had great ratings, 30 Rock was cheaper to produce (1/2 hour sitcom versus an hour comedy-drama). Matthew Perry was initially offered $50,000 per episode but negotiated $175k with Whitfield receiving around the same.
There was also some issues at NBC. For instance, Sorkin wanted to watch SNL being produced but Lorne Michaels refused.
@@terrygracy8345studio 60 on the sunset strip - Sorkin was able to complete the story without cliff hanger so it is a complete show in and of itself.
Such a great episode. Matthew Perry was so good in this role. RIP.
forever wishing for more of this character truly an amazing actor
@tysons9222 … couldn’t agree more. …. missed opportunity that they didn’t find a way to write him in much more (course, it could’ve been an issue with his SUD … huge compassion for this talented man.)
Friends was still going strong so it would have been hard for him to be a regular
@@untexan What made it convenient for the time he was able to do it is that both "Friends" and "The West Wing" filmed at Warner Bros., so it was nothing to him to go across the lot.
@@AndSoItGoes24 Well - Sorkin did create Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip with him in mind. Ironically, he had Bradley Whitfield play the alcoholic and drug addict.
Matty killed this.. I've told everyone who will listen that Matthew Perry's stint on The West Wing was incredible. What a talent..
I thought he was absolutely wonderful. He was a good actor. He was so talented.I'm so sorry.He's gone and I miss him. It's sometimes hard for me to watch Old Friends episodes.Because it hurts to know he's gone. And we will never know all of what he would have done in his life. Thank goodness for TV and movies.Because we can revisit the people we admire. And take comfort from them.
MP smashed this role out of the park, from first scene to last. Sadly his contract for Friends did not allow him any further opportunities with WW than he got. As a measure of how good he was in that role, of his only three episodes, in the show he was TWICE nominated for Emmy's for Best Guest Performer.
Chandler Bing never appeared on WW. He was always Joe on this show. Even when he was attempting humor it wasn’t fake.
I will say this: with great material, it's hard to miss. Aaron Sorkin did an amazing job with the script.
That being said, it takes a great actor to pull off a great script, and MP definitely nailed it.
@@The_Keepah Maybe I'm an outlier, but I also like the Matthew Perry + Aaron Sorkin output "Studio 60". Not as dramatic, tho.
I love how Stu just keeps on yapping...😂
And they completely ignore him.
Right? 😂😂
Cute how Ellen Totleben, the show’s set decorator, worked her name and the names of some other crew into the WH call log.
It's a standard practice. That way nobody with that name can sue if their name is used detrimentally. "OK your name may be Ellen Totleben but the name on screen refers to OUR Ellen Totleben and she gave us permission to use it."
I used to know a guy was an electrician on film and TV sets. He used to make some extra cash for allowing his name to be used this way.
Totleben translates to Dead Life in German. Odd surname, indeed!
Stu Winkle - one of the scriptwriters best names.
"...six figures according to Stu Winkle. Stu Winkle. Could that POSSIBLY be his real name?"
Matthew Perry at his best - thank you Matthew
I loved when he did drama. We lost so much. He could very well not have done his best work yet.
Oh, Matty. We miss you. 💔😢
Thing is hoynes could have survived the affair politically but he had to go and impress her with classified info
I actually agree with Hoynes that he probably couldn't have survived the affair because of Bartlet's M.S. scandal - Bartlet and Leo offer to stand behind him, but Hoynes tells them that the M.S. stuff "is the one you get." I think he knows that two scandals in as many terms is too many, and remaining VP would lead to one of two outcomes: a) the public has no remaining sympathy for his scandal after dealing with Bartlet's, and he gets booted, or b) he survives but the negative perception of him and his party means that he'll never win another election again, and he hurts Democrats down-ballot and in the future. The fact that he leaked classified info is really just icing on the cake.
the last half decade?? maybe. 2003 when the episode ran? No. what people accept over time changes. It would have cost the party way too much. MS hearings would be one thing - notice they didn't really go after the President just those around him. Affairs? the opposition would have a field day.
@@timmadigan Right, considering not too long before this period we had a real life affair scandal in the White House involving the president.
"I can't tell you how classy..." CLICK! 😂
Incidental music giving me chills. Snuffy could play our anticipation like a harp.
“It gives me another chance to say Stu Winkle, the Post’s ‘Man in the Thick of it’”
I wish the showrunners would have kept Matthew Perry in the series, he was brilliant in this role.
He had another gig.
@@darrinbaker00 what was he doing after TWW? Was it the other Aaron Sorkin series?
@@bored1caFriends was still airing while Perry did the 3 episodes of TWW
A show called Studio 60 on The Sunset Strip produced by Sorkin that premiered the same year as 30 Rock. With Bradley Whitford, Sarah Paulson and Amanda Peet. Cancelled after one season. Very expensive show to make, praised but low rated and I think people tired of Sorkin's speechifying formula.
@@gheller2261the biggest criticism I've always seen thrown at Studio 60 was the fact that a show about a late night comedy sketch show was NEVER funny when they showed scenes from it. I loved the show in general but definitely took itself too seriously at the same time 30 Rock was coming about
I always loved the weight of the paper they used on this show. The noise it makes just adds to the importance of the information on the page. The little things they paid attention to were astonishing.
Another fun fact: the wording is exactly the wording used on Nixon's resignation letter to Henry Kissinger - just one sentence. The only difference is the "effective 6am'" part. No reason, no nothing. Just, "I hereby resign."
All those sounds would be added later in post, by the foley artists. The sound department was nominated for an Emmy for this season.
Easily one of my most favourite episodes of the entire series. But...just one of. This show did such a great job of not only creating a political distance between Hoynes and Bartlet, but even a physical one: the VP's aide showing up in a taxi cab might happen if his entire staff are outside the building... but anytime we see the VP's office, we're made to believe it's in the Old Executive Building, when the VP's working office is actually down the hall from the Oval Office in real life. It's remarkable how they played that up.
I love that there’s no dialogue but it’s all there in their faces, and Stu babbling in the background is like being pecked to death by ducks.
THanks much...I've been binging some WW, and was looking for this scene. Joe Quincy was great.
oh boy, Matty, sorely missed.
The shit Aaron started with this episode lol
Spill that tea!
Set up John Goodman becoming president when Zoey was taken, no VP to pass to.
The few episodes he was in were all brilliant. He brought something new to the series but yet fitted right in with an established cast. He picked up their rhythms really quickly. A great actor.
Those dang phone records……………..
Highlighter pen took a beating that day although they did miss atleast one.
@@mookuk1 They really did lol. Helen was busy lol
Good on Carol for hearing CJ, or maybe she was using an intercom?
think Carol is like Donna in Suits, if the phone is not in use she always has the intercom open so she can do what is needed as soon as her name is mentioned.
Matthew was doing Friends in 2003, he couldn't be in more episodes
Perry nailed this role
So the Vice President was having an affair, and he was calling the woman with whom he was having the affair from a WHITE HOUSE LANDLINE TELEPHONE??!?!?!?!?!?!? It didn't occur to him to have someone buy a pre pay phone (this was 2003, mobile phones had been around a while, especially for national level politicians) that he could use?
Signal wouldn't penetrate. Not from an area that's been hardened against signal emissions, especially where classified discussions can and do take place.
Some people just want to be caught.
@@redmed10 especially those who have done "The Wire" even. : ))))))))
@@rcslyman8929 OK, do you think that everyone's who works in the white house can't use a mobile phone throughout the day?
@@Bazookatone1there are plenty of jobs where that is true. Many in the defense industry. Wouldn't surprise me if the White House either has a dedicated cell (for safety) or doesn't allow cell phones.
Matthew Perry’s death was a shocking tragedy. Not a surprise, but shocking none the less.
Personally, I think this was Matt Perry's best role and performance
So Hoynes was having an affair and he was forced to quit?
He was showing off to the lady by telling her classified information.
@@bobhepburn2307 And according to the snippet of the article in the paper, the mistress was looking for a book deal.
great edit, can't believe I've never seen this episode
It takes a certain kind of actor to act on a Sorkin show; Perry was perfect for his dialogue. Too bad Studio 60 wasn’t very good.
Non-verbal acting in this scene was awesome.
I can’t figure out how they put it all together.
Hoyne's leaked classified information to his Mistress and the Mistress went to a reporter about it.
And the mistress was a named source in the newspaper articles.
This scene was the ultimate downfall of Hoynes.
RIP Matthew Perry.
Charlie sure gave Claire a grand tour on the walk to the Oval Office - surprised they didn't take a quick run through the residence.
Imagine in real life being the early 20 something VP office lowly staffer delivering the resignation letter to the President……oh the mark on history it must be…..
I am confused by this scene
The VP had been leaking secrets to Helen, who was then passing it to reporters -- like the gossip columnist. Thats the first part's discovery.
The second part is after many other scenes, and it is the VP resigning.
Matthew Perry's character figures out that VP Boyne is having an affair, and that he's sharing information with his mistress, who was then telling these things to a gossip reporter. CJ's call confirms the trail of evidence.
They started off by getting a weird series of questions from various reporters. The new Associate Counsel picked up a trial and figured out that all those reporters were getting their info from another reporter named Stu Winkle, but he wasn't sure. The purpose of the sneaky call from CJ was to confirm this. Then he pointed to an article which suggested that Stu's source was a lady named Helen Baldwin, with whom the VP was having an affair and was basically bragging to her a bunch of classified information.
@@nibblersevenThe Vice President’s name is John Hoynes, not Boyne.
@@ryanr1701 Whoops, that's my bad. I used to work for a company called Boyne, so that's where that must have come from!
I really wanted to hear the end of Stu's story.
It hasn't ended yet. He's still talking.
I completely forgot Perry was in this show. :(
Perry.....🖤🖤🖤
Remember when this was as serious as it gets? Feels naive now.
I'm not sure how the plot was improved by the aide's car not starting?...
It gave the actress more lines.
Hard working, clearly stressed, and carrying the envelope that will result in the end of her job there in DC. Her car not starting is demonstrating that, as a staffer in DC, she's not paid well enough to keep her car maintained. So she's poorly paid *and* about to lose her job... due to the vice president not being able to keep it in his pants AND, worse, leaking confidential information. The impact of his careless choices will have impacts both large and small, but the impacts she'll feel on her individual life won't feel small at all to her. It's a way to put a human face to the impact.
How did Bartlet know she took a cab?
Highlighter missed some Hoynes-Baldwin calls 😢
Good catch. There is a missed call on the first page of the log CJ looks at, and also the third page.
This is my favorite episode.
Do you know what season and episodes he was on?
@@danajessop2835 S4.E21/22, S5.E7
@@willenholly Thank you so much.
Who is the actor playing Stew ?
Sam Pancake.
Probably because she was late and it was explained to him
Here's the thing - this was not a very clever way to create a story for Hoynes to resign. Hoynes is very smart and very calculating. There is simply no way that he would have been dumb enough to use a White House line to make calls to or receive calls from his mistress.
I felt the same thing about the way the writers did Toby towards the latter half of the series. There's just no way Toby would do what he did. It made no sense for a deeply moral man like Toby to do that, and (like YOU said) it made no sense for a deeply cynical and cunning man like Hoynes to go out the way he did here.
Generally I'd agree, but we've seen some successful, cunning, and calculating politicians get destroyed by cosmically stupid decisions. They get so powerful and get away with so much, they get lazy and think they don't have to cover their tracks.
Um, Bill Clinton? Not that he left the same sort of paper trail, but savvy people can absolutely do dumb things.
It's called the willing suspension of disbelief: sometimes, drama only works when you don't think about it too literally or analytically 😅
@@dizwellSuspension of disbelief works with stuff like Harry Potter and 30 Rock. I expect more out of writers of programs like West Wing.
Where did perry suddenly get all that info from, a paper folded to the exact section, call records. These people are superhuman. They can do ten things at once. Of course i know it's an idealised version of the white house from over 20 years ago but it looks like a fairy tale compared to whats been going on there over last 7 or 8 years.
Dont like what you did with the edit. ending with the cold start.
The episode ends with a replay of the same cold start, with the addition of Bartlet saying "Yeah, we're gonna need a new Vice President."