Songs That Change TIME SIGNATURE In The Chorus [5 Levels Of Rhythm Change]

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    In most songs the chorus is made by 4 or 8 bars with a meter of 4/4. And herein lies the problem.
    Because, as you know, the chorus is the part of the song that is supposed to draw the attention of the listener and the part of the song that is supposed to be the most special.
    In this sense, the chorus is like the 'signature' of the song, and so it has to be as different as possible from the choruses of all the other songs...
    ...but how special and different can it be if the structure of every chorus of every song you hear is always the same?
    As it happens, though, not all songs have such a simple and obvious structure in their chorus.
    So in this video we see a few songs that take the road less traveled and changed the rhythmic structure of the chorus in more or less creative ways.
    From simply skipping a bit to breaking all the rules, in this video we will see the 5 levels of changing time signature in the chorus.
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  • @eldertmohr1366
    @eldertmohr1366 4 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Omggg when you said "To cut short the end of..." I was like wtf's wrong with my computer and then you said "see it works". Perfect!

    • @pizzzapi
      @pizzzapi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i loved that part too ! :D

    • @christopherheckman5392
      @christopherheckman5392 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I download these videos to listen to later, and sometimes when I download videos, I don't get the full audio. That's what *I* thought happened.

  • @gillianomotoso328
    @gillianomotoso328 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    4:32 - “Hey Ya” is actually even more complicated: you’ve cited an 18-beat progression (composite number or compound rhythm - divisible into 2 • 3 • 3), when “Hey Ya” actually uses 4/4 + 4/4 + *4/4* + 2/4 + 4/4 + 4/4, a 22-beat pattern (2 • [2 + 3]), mimicking the complex (prime) meter of 11/4 (“11/2”). It’s a 5.5-measure vamp, driving the whole song!
    And like in Bacharach’s song “Say a Little Prayer”, and the Italian song featured, the implied complex meters are nearly impossible to make completely smooth! It is a miracle of composition whenever something like “Hey Ya” comes about. Especially with such a big number like 11 (or 22). In 7/8, you can at least group into three “beats” - 2 + 2 + 3... in 5/4 you have the “Take Five” clave of 3 + 3 + 2 + 2. But in 11? In 13? In 22? You’re chunking together clumps of these elemental beats, and making a rhythm pizza.
    There’s a reason we almost always chunk them into composites of different-metered measures, whether it be “Say a Little Prayer” (occasional 10/4 and 11/4) or “March of the Pigs” (29/8), or even “Turn It on Again” (13/4, among others), which sounds like 6/4 + 7/4 in the chorus truly. But a song like “In Limbo” by Radiohead, in 18/8, simply sounds like its own meter because it works based on sextuple groupings.
    When you make it into prime or “complex” meters, they truly feel complex: like they are built out of the slabs of multiple rhythms strewn together. They always strike as ingenious when done right.

    • @msfridrichmusic
      @msfridrichmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thank you for your comment!! I didn't think he explained the "hey ya" chorus accurately and was like WTH?

    • @gillianomotoso328
      @gillianomotoso328 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@msfridrichmusic And thank you for subscribing to me! Sometimes I groan at my long-winded explanations lol. I love talking about it, now I’m learning how to truly do it.

  • @nerdyvegan8212
    @nerdyvegan8212 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Rush changed time signatures incredibly often in their songs. The way they managed to pull it off is real testament to their talent as musicians. RIP Neil Peart!

    • @olivierlemarois9620
      @olivierlemarois9620 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I love Rush=I like Dream Theater=I love ''The Dance of Eternity''

  • @honeychilerider
    @honeychilerider 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Man, "Wuthering Heights" continues to amaze me. I didn't see that coming, but the moment I saw her face I thought, "Oh, of course she has level 5 and it's 'Wuthering Heights'".

  • @jesusisaliveannie3594
    @jesusisaliveannie3594 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I just wrote a song with changing time signatures - not deliberately, just out of complete rhythmic incompetence. Now I watched this video I'm hopeful it will be a smash hit! 😄

  • @superhappypotatoe
    @superhappypotatoe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Wuthering Heights, I count 2 bars of 4/4, one bar of 2/4. And loop again. Snare then falls on each "3".

    • @markdelange3638
      @markdelange3638 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's how I hear it too.

    • @Wind-nj5xz
      @Wind-nj5xz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It would be 10/4 then

  • @itsarchie1261
    @itsarchie1261 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very interesting regarding Wuthering Heights. After listening to it a few times I can see the arguments for a few different variations. 4/4 | 3/4 | 2/4 | 3/4 seems to work very nicely but I can also completely see why some people are suggesting 5/4 | 5/4 | 2/4.
    Personally however my preference is feeling the beat as a half time throughout the track with snares on the 3. The nice thing about this is you can then think of the chorus as this pattern:
    4/4 | 4/4 | 2/4 | 4/4
    4/4 | 2/4 | 4/4
    To me personally this feels really good to groove to the track and everything matches up really nicely with drums, bass and vocals. I don't even need to think about counting for this version as it's all basically 4/4 with the occasional accent bar of 2/4 which makes it just click for me. YMMV of course!

    • @haikovd8371
      @haikovd8371 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I felt 5 5 2 when listening to the drums, but I can see how the accents in the vocals lean more towards 4 3 2 3

  • @henryharmon3656
    @henryharmon3656 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    As a drummer, I hear something different on the chorus of ``Wuthering Heights''. The drummer plays a simple kick on the downbeats 1 and 3 and snare on the upbeats 2 and 4, but then appends an extra quarter note on the kick. This happens twice, and then the chorus is rounded off with a bar of 2/4. So 5/4, 5/4, and 2/4! This is supported by the fact that the bass player seems -- at least to my untrained ear -- to land on stable notes at the beginning of each 5-beat phrase. Having said that, all elements of the composition contribute to the perception of the time signature, so Tommaso's view is supported by the vocal melody: If we count as he does, the naturally accented syllables of ``home'' and ``window'' land on the first downbeats of his measures. I just choose to hear her as drawing extra attention to those words by placing them on that fifth beat. I suppose notating time signatures is a holistic affair. (Interestingly, Bush said she could not get out of the chorus when she was writing it. This lends support to Tommaso's claim that such choruses trap us in a cycle with no clear beginning.)

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's VERY interesting, thank you Henry!

    • @ybb31
      @ybb31 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      5/4 5/4 2/4 for me too !

    • @Luchianopalma
      @Luchianopalma 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      also hear this

    • @the_most_ever_company
      @the_most_ever_company 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I hear a distinct 5/4 + 4/4 + 3/4

    • @rafaelmacedo826
      @rafaelmacedo826 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here. Maybe it’s a drummer thing. Say, did you guys hear Say a Little Prayer like he notated it at the video (4/4 + 3/4 + 4/4) or in some other way? I always thought of it as a clear 4/4 + 4/4 + 3/4 because the third bar is where there’s a shift on the up beats and down beats.

  • @Bacopa68
    @Bacopa68 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Alan Merrill died from Covid-19 last night. He wrote "I love Rock and Roll".

  • @EasyBreather000
    @EasyBreather000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Wuthering Heights"
    What follows is my interpretation of its time signatures.
    Intro : 4/4 x2 bars
    V 1 : 4/4 x6 bars 2/4 × 1 bar
    Pre - chorus 1 : 4/4 : 4/4 : 2/4 : 4/4
    Chorus 1: 5/4 : 5/4 : 2/4 : 5/4 : 5/4 : 4/4
    V 2 : repeat as for V 1
    Pre - chorus 2 : repeat as for P C 1
    Chorus 2 : 5/4 : 5/4 : 2/4 : 5/4 : 5/4 : 2/4
    Bridge (or pre - outro) :
    4/4 × 5 : 2/4 ×1 : 4/4 ×1
    Outro chorus : repeat as for chorus 2 - x 6 cycles.
    Not so complex but very intelligent, enchanting and haunting song with a lot of paradoxes hidden inside it. Thank you Kate Bush and team! Thank you Tomasso !

  • @shannonjones3714
    @shannonjones3714 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a great video! Thank you for posting this!

  • @PANTECHNICONRecordings
    @PANTECHNICONRecordings 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    “Hey ya” is actually 3 bars of 4, then 1 bar of 2, and another 2 bars of 4, isn’t it?

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Errrrmmmm... so apparently I can count odd-time signatures, but I can't count the number of bars :-) That's a bit embarrassing... You're right Pantechnicon.

    • @PANTECHNICONRecordings
      @PANTECHNICONRecordings 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      But you have THE best opening line on YT! “Hello internets...” Brilliant.

    • @RawUndergroundMusic
      @RawUndergroundMusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      When hey ya Came out, every DJ in the world cried out at once.

    • @aylbdrmadison1051
      @aylbdrmadison1051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My apologies for making a wrong assumption. :/

    • @dieggosilva9909
      @dieggosilva9909 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      MusicTheoryForGuitar 4 bars of 4, 1 bar of 6.
      = 22.
      22/2 = 11. Hey ya is in 11.

  • @davidmillar-haskell8863
    @davidmillar-haskell8863 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is an excellent video. Well done, sir!

  • @theunnamedhorrors
    @theunnamedhorrors ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looks like im 2 years too late lol. I love your lessons my friend. You are the only teacher i have found that explains everything that i can understand. Im in two bands and one of them i will experiment with different time signatures. Watching your lessons have really sparked my creative juices. You are awesome brother!!

  • @necudavamkazem
    @necudavamkazem 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This really interested me in writing in unusual rhythms - great job!

  • @xenontesla122
    @xenontesla122 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I always love when the time signature of a song changes slightly! Some other examples I know of are Run by Joji, Stand by Sly and the Family Stone and People Make the World Go Round by the Stylistics.

    • @MrBluesboy21
      @MrBluesboy21 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Easy by The Commodores, too.

  • @rasputinsbeard3899
    @rasputinsbeard3899 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The 4th example for Wuthering Heights is what I hear, too.

  • @user-wy9tn1pz9e
    @user-wy9tn1pz9e 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Killed it with the lyrics analysis

  • @olliefoxx7165
    @olliefoxx7165 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I'm no musician but this was in my recommended feed. It's a little hard to follow along as I don't know music structure but he presents this in a very interesting way and I can somewhat understand the points. Subbed, you made me think!

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad to hear this :)

    • @slimyfister
      @slimyfister 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You've been chosen son! no better time than a quarantine to grab a DAW or an instrument

    • @olliefoxx7165
      @olliefoxx7165 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@slimyfister it's a good idea. I actually have access to a guitar. Our state has ordered all non essentials to stay home and quarantine. Might as well see if there's any hope learning.

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@olliefoxx7165 There will never (hopefully) be another occasion like that to learn to play guitar. Go for it!

    • @aylbdrmadison1051
      @aylbdrmadison1051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Ollie Foxx : If you do, I am slightly envious in a way. To be starting out on such a great adventure once again.

  • @williampamblanco
    @williampamblanco 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This was super fun, I'd love to see more examples!

  • @psbii
    @psbii 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This makes me want revisit a couple songs my daughter wrote & recorded in straight 4/4, see if we can spice them up a bit! I think the first simple dropping a beat might work really well.

  • @marioguarini
    @marioguarini 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    for me Kate bush song is 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 this are the accents, however great contents as always very ispiring.

  • @billyvitale8994
    @billyvitale8994 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tomaso.. one word.. AWESOME!
    grazie

  • @andreigagiu9856
    @andreigagiu9856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bravo! Great examples!

  • @suezeeque1
    @suezeeque1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    WHOA!!! Great video, Tommaso!! I love it!!! :)

  • @JereToikka
    @JereToikka 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video Tommaso! :)

  • @joaop.b.figueiredo3769
    @joaop.b.figueiredo3769 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video and explanation, thanks!

  • @javierlestido3418
    @javierlestido3418 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video; Thanks so much! I was studying two of us of the Beatles and wanted to understand this better. Now is much better

  • @BandexTV
    @BandexTV 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! Keep them coming!

  • @amerocker
    @amerocker 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I saw Kate Bush, listened briefly to some explanations and fast forwarded to, "Wuthering Heights".

  • @neilquarrell7551
    @neilquarrell7551 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just love your videos,
    Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge.

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My pleasure!

    • @aylbdrmadison1051
      @aylbdrmadison1051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You're the "best" Tommaso (and I rarely use the word "best" for anything because it's just an opinion and even my own opinion on art is ever changing, at least subtly).

  • @lordmjh
    @lordmjh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That was very intuitive and educational, thank you.

  • @joskun
    @joskun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this lesson my friend. Throughly enjoyed it 🙂

  • @eleidiscos
    @eleidiscos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Un placer tenerte maestro

  • @GeorgeFrantzis
    @GeorgeFrantzis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video with amazing content. Rhythm modulations are not discussed very often....

  • @gerbs139
    @gerbs139 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pete Townshend, Slit Skirts: verse in slow 4/4, channel fast 3/4, chorus fast 4/4. The key is the 12-beat fill transition to the chorus which you can choose to hear as either 4 bars of 3 or 3 bars of 4 (or both or neither).

  • @s.vidhyardhsingh3881
    @s.vidhyardhsingh3881 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You speak music!! No more words!! 😊👍🏻

  • @tedhetfieldakapatrickdonat92
    @tedhetfieldakapatrickdonat92 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Video,Again 🤘👌💪

  • @shaonakolte
    @shaonakolte 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Brilliant 👌🤘

  • @davejones4292
    @davejones4292 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow! Lots of information here. Almost too much to digest in 13 1/2 minutes. Fortunately, I seem to have a lot of time on my hands for music these days. One of your best videos from a songwriting perspective, and that's saying something. Thank you. And stay safe.

  • @EclecticEssentric
    @EclecticEssentric 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the ideas and knowledge!
    I've been accused in my early days of cheerful, moving songs with depressing lyrics.

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When they accuse you of something, most likely they do it because it's good stuff. Keep doing it ;)

    • @EclecticEssentric
      @EclecticEssentric 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MusicTheoryForGuitar I'll accept that theory. :)

  • @RangKlos
    @RangKlos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Big fun Tommaso. You stay healthy!

  • @aylbdrmadison1051
    @aylbdrmadison1051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    1:19 LMAO, this had me grabbing at the connection for my headphones immediately.
    Also, thanks for using an Outkast song as an example. This is hands down my favorite "rap" band ever. Although they're really more of a conglomeration of different genres like soul, R & B, rock, blues and even a touch of jazz imo.
    Also, as someone who easily gets songs stuck in their head anyway, ear worms are just mean. Please don't do this to me, lols.
    Just kidding... mostly.

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The bouzouki is such a good-sounding instrument...

    • @dogsandyoga1743
      @dogsandyoga1743 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Rap" shouldn't be in quotation. Outkast (as well as Organized Noise who gave them their sound) were def many things, but they were rooted in Hip Hop and foremost a Hip Hop group. Hip Hop is an incredibly wide ranging genre. Ridiculously so haha...no need to diss 😋❤

  • @DustyChalk
    @DustyChalk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yours is quickly becoming my favourite channel on TH-cam. Cheers. Re: the Kate Bush song -- is it possible that the different instruments are playing in different time signatures that still line up? I think the drums are in that last one, but her vocals are in the 3rd one...

  • @daysandwords
    @daysandwords 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    12:42 I really wish you'd said "guitar playing" there so that it was: "Started by guitar players, for guitar players to teaching guitar players everything they need to know about guitar playing". 😀

  • @JonWhitney
    @JonWhitney 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Mindy Smith - Take Me Back Chorus | 5/4 + 6/4 + 5/4 + 6/4 + 5/4 +6/4 + 3/4

  • @Tioso1
    @Tioso1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for the amazing content you provide us for free, we really appreciate it!
    I'm brazilian and I'd like to suggest you just a little correction in the portuguese title: "a assinatura do tempo" is wrong, use "o compasso" instead 😉

  • @TalalRane
    @TalalRane 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are fantasticteacher

  • @rafaelmacedo826
    @rafaelmacedo826 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Storytime: When I was 16 I subbed for a pop-rock band on the drums, which at first it didn’t seem as much of a challenge. A 15 song pop-rock setlist? “Ok”, I thought.
    But oh boy, what was my surprise when I found this little rascal lerking in the middle of the set: Ghost of York - As Tall as Lions (th-cam.com/video/4tEi4jQbvME/w-d-xo.html).
    The chorus is 4/4+4/4 + 4/4+3/4 + 4/4+2/4 (or 8/4 + 7/4 + 6/4, or 4/4 + 7/8 + 3/4 in half the tempo, it’s really to the taste of the customer lol). Basically, it feels every two bars, the song loses a beat compared to the previous two bars... or something like that, idk.
    At the time, metric modulation was completely new to me and it seemed like something Satan himself wrote as a personal punishment for my sins. It took me longer than I like to admit to figure out what was going on and learn the damn song.

  • @jasonwalsh8281
    @jasonwalsh8281 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Happiness Is A Warm Gun has some crazy bars all through it...especially cool when Ringo keeps the plodding 2/4 in the 'chorus' for 9 bars, and the rest of them roll along in a waltz for 12 bars, then they all land together on beat 1 for the end. Awesome.

  • @rudistoph1140
    @rudistoph1140 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    im a drummer and with 'wuthering heights' i go: 4/4 1/4 4/4 3/4 and repeat, if you listen to the bass, it gets obvious that his weight is on the one of the full bars

  • @jonatola
    @jonatola 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Checkout the song Down by Fuel which is on the Something Like Human album. It has a massive tempo change and groove change between the verse and chorus. The verse is a slow 70 bpm and the chorus is at 118 bpm. It's has an incredibly dramatic effect, but I'm sure it's tricky to pull off in a live context.

  • @petertrotman763
    @petertrotman763 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Genesis 'Turn It On Again'. It's all over the place but still flows like it's 4/4.

  • @sharpphilip
    @sharpphilip 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How about songs that are unusual in the verse and/or prechorus strictly to set up a greater feeling of groove once the chorus shows up in 4/4? :)
    I love your videos because you often address things that I find myself wondering about.

  • @markdancer3501
    @markdancer3501 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hear it as you do because the distinguishing feature is the snare drum: 1 bar of 4/4 with the snare on beats 2 and 4; one bar of 3/4 with the snare on beat 3; one bar of 2/4 with the snare on beat 2; and one bar of 3/4 with the snare on beat 3; repeated twice. The only other possible patterns I can envisage are three bars long (4/4 + 5/4 + 3/4; or 4/4 + 3/4 + 5/4) or two bars lone (7/4 + 6/4); but that seems needlessly obtuse compared to 4/4 + 3/4 + 2/4 + 3/4.

  • @LAghemo
    @LAghemo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Well done and stimulating video! A thumb up for mentioning Elio e Le Storie Tese, they're super genius and they deserve to be known outside Italy too!
    About Wuthering Heights (an amazing song from an amazing artist) what I hear is 4/4 - 4/4 -2/4 - 4/4 - 4/4 - 2/4 - 4/4 at a speed of around 125 bpm. If the song is played at 62 bpm that would be 5/4 - 4/4 - 3/4 repeated. IMHO, but I tested on a DAW and both seem to work.

    • @flyingsteaks
      @flyingsteaks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I think it's pretty obvious that it's 4 4 2 4 4 2 4, just listen to the snare, it's playing at 3 every time, except on the 2/4 bar...

    • @LAghemo
      @LAghemo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@flyingsteaks yes, so it seems to me

  • @nebyusamuel7858
    @nebyusamuel7858 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love this video

  • @ArtinSinger
    @ArtinSinger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Tommmaso, again so great 😃👍
    I love your lessons ❤️
    Stay healthy!
    EDIT: listening to the Kate Bush song simply made me crazy without any result ... 😜

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kate Bush will do that to you :)

    • @ArtinSinger
      @ArtinSinger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      MusicTheoryForGuitar hehe, that would be the reason instead of my musical incompetence ... 😉

  • @frankbreen4206
    @frankbreen4206 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guilty by Barbra Streisand & Barry Gibb has two bars of 5 in the verses (or maybe 2+3) and then two bars of 3 in the choruses plus a bar of 2 in the outro choruses. Got to concentrate to play that song!

  • @Vertlain
    @Vertlain 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So about Wuthering Heights, I hear it clearly: 4/8 + 4/8 + 2/8 + 4/8 + 4/8 + 2/8 + 4/8 I guess it all depends on what you're focusing on in the song. Great video, thanks for the food for thought.

  • @santiagoargibay
    @santiagoargibay 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    A great example is Solsbury Hill from Peter Gabriel. 7/4 metric at end of chorus is 4/4.

  • @AlexandreMachado0
    @AlexandreMachado0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For me, "Wuthering Heights" chorus seems to have a 4-4-2-4-2-2-2-4 beats structure.

  • @garycitro1674
    @garycitro1674 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Two words: Gentle Giant. Not at all uncommon for them to have multiple signatures at once -- polyrhythms all over. God I love them.

  • @cheeseisjar3058
    @cheeseisjar3058 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Free will by rush has a bar of 3/4 in the 4/4 chorus

  • @johnjoseph1966
    @johnjoseph1966 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! You did a video on the Tristan chord. It would be great if you would kindly do a 3 part video of one long one on the 3 Aug6 chords and there resolution. : ) I hope you will consider this.

  • @Antiligenzbestian
    @Antiligenzbestian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's strange, because I always thought Hey Ya adds half a measure or two beats instead of skipping it. Now I can hear it both ways in my head, but adding the beats makes much more sense to me.
    Also Wuthering Heights clearly is 5/4+5/4+2/4 then 5/4+5/4+4/4 ;)

  • @youthofyesterdayrecords
    @youthofyesterdayrecords 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A couple of really good Buffalo Springfield songs do this. They go waltzing in the chorus...or the verse. I'm too tired to check.

  • @Strellock
    @Strellock 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:53 ---- 1 beat in 4/4, that's one beat assigned to one quarter. one quarter is 2 eights. 4-1.5= 2.5; 2 quarters and an eight; that's... 4 eights+1 eight= 5 eights. 5/8. You're right! I thought it would be 6/8 for some reason (faulty brain!) I apologize for thinking you were wrong! :D
    Also 6:08 ---- 13/8, I would count that 1234/2234/3234/5; it would be veery impractical to count that song like this (especially since it's quite fast, a, and b, why would anyone start counting a measure prior to the exception anyways; and c.- it's very rare that I will count 8ths no matter what.
    Awesome channel, btw!

  • @techiyew
    @techiyew 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thanks for this Tommaso, time to make some earworms

  • @nicksimms3771
    @nicksimms3771 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The drums in Wurthering Heights clearly suggest 4/4 3/4 2/4 3/4, but otherwise I hear the vocal melody and glockenspiel as being 4/4 3/8 4/8 3/8 4/8 2/8, or maybe it’s just that I haven’t slept. It’s probably that- in the morning I’ll wonder WTF I was thinking. I’m gonna have to come back to this when I’m sane…
    The 5/4 5/4 2/4 argument is compelling too tho

    • @okilfeathermusic
      @okilfeathermusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      don't think lack of sleep is getting in the way, writing in multiple metres you usually end up slathering a load of other compounds on top with the other instruments to disguise the interrupted flow

  • @jonfoxpowers4622
    @jonfoxpowers4622 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! As for the Kate Bush, two bars of 5/4, followed by one in 2/4 would be easy to notate and give the right accents, but I actually hear 4/4, 1/4, 4/4, 3/4

  • @santiagoargibay
    @santiagoargibay 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Other examples from beatles "Lucy in the sky of Diamonds" 3/4 verse and 4/4 chorus in a different tempo. "We can work it out" 4/4 and 3/4 chorus change.

  • @amisfitpuivk
    @amisfitpuivk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:10 when the drums start, counting with the high-hat and guided by the bass and voice, I hear an obvious 4 4 2 4 4 2 4 4 4 2 4 4 2 4..end

  • @eamonahern7495
    @eamonahern7495 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hear it as 1 2 *3* 4, 1 2 *3* 4, 1 2 *3* 4. Three bars of 4/4 with emphasis on the 3rd beat of each bar.

  • @edward4840
    @edward4840 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cardiacs' Jibber and Twitch has a chorus which changes the number of beats in a bar from 4 to 6, but the time it takes for the bar to be completed is the same. Somehow it actually works here

  • @adamo-7
    @adamo-7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Golden Brown" by The Stranglers has some extra beats in the instrumental parts. Maybe 6/8 to 7/8?

    • @johnbanjo5772
      @johnbanjo5772 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Golden brown is 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3,4 in the instrumental and 1,2,3 throughout the verses.So I guess for the instrumental you could count it as 6/8 7/8 but I think of it as 3/4 3/4 3/4 4/4 Which is kind of the same thing.It's just how it sits in your head.

    • @gillianomotoso328
      @gillianomotoso328 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes! Some call it 13/8... but that’s a giant number to chunk.

    • @Wind-nj5xz
      @Wind-nj5xz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johnbanjo5772 I think it's better to count it as 3 measures of 6/8 and one of 7/8

  • @nachofian8934
    @nachofian8934 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Check out "cheques" from L.Spinetta. in the instrumental chorus they skip half beat

  • @prestachuck2867
    @prestachuck2867 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Listen to the time changes in the song Chain Lightning by RUSH from the Presto album. It’s interesting.

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes! For this video I decided to go without Rush, Dream Theater and the like to show that changing time signature even in the chorus is not exclusive to prog music. But I do love my Rush and my DT :)

    • @aylbdrmadison1051
      @aylbdrmadison1051 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      After the first couple tunes, I sort half expected Rush (one of only 2 favorite bands I've ever had) and Dream Theater (who I also love) to be missing from this video. Not even sure why I did, but after reading Tommaso's coment here, I understand the logic now.

  • @19boro76
    @19boro76 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video, thumbs up:) I did take a challenge, it was something like: 4/4 4/4 3/4 or 6/8 then 4/4 3/4 or 6/8 then 4/4 4/4 3/4 or 6/8, what do you think? I have focused not only on the drums but also on the strong accented notes of the bass guitar, Great video anyway :)

  • @sesclaytpoop8525
    @sesclaytpoop8525 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Helium and the Tense Stories

  • @Matthew-ez4ze
    @Matthew-ez4ze 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Death and All His Friends" is a fun example, with verses in 4|4 and the chorus sneaking into 7|4

  • @collectitbydiyversity2442
    @collectitbydiyversity2442 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Although as always this is really great it would be even better if you display the time signatures on the videos/examples as they are playing.

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I made the precise choice to not do that. I think people learn more if you present them with a little challenge. Just my opinion of course.

    • @collectitbydiyversity2442
      @collectitbydiyversity2442 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes in some cases (more so when one has already had previous teaching on the subject) but in this case it really doesn't work. I'm left unclear. The examples don't really stick out showing what you are teaching. and have more chances of getting learning it wrong.
      It would make a stronger impact seeing the time change and a bigger effect on learning the lesson and even see how we can implement in in our own music. Hopefully you can make the exception and add them. I'm sure we will appreciate learn from it even more.. I know I will. Thank you.

    • @okilfeathermusic
      @okilfeathermusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@collectitbydiyversity2442 from a teacher's point of view it makes a stronger impact when the student does a little bit of their own work, one shouldn't have to give everything away as that makes for lazy students. he gave you the exact rhythmic scheme of a few seconds of music followed by the example. count the bass drum in the first video, the bass guitar in the second, and notice where the irregularity falls. there is nothing that sticks out more than a bass drum in a Joan Jett song, and the walking bassline in the ABBA song is also very pronounced. stick with it, you'll get it.

    • @collectitbydiyversity2442
      @collectitbydiyversity2442 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree to a certain degree and yes I'm coming from a teacher's point of view. I teach holistic therapies, eg clinical massage, fitness, yoga and other forms of therapies to beginners and to other therapists and instructors, and for fun, I also teach fundamental music theory. I think the lessons here are great! I'm even referring the channel to my students and peers. I'm simply giving this suggestion because it will help other students better grasp and learn this lesson and to help build your awesome channel.
      So yes, one shouldn't have to give everything away as that makes for lazy students. And yes the bass drum in a Joan Jett song and the walking bassline in ABBAs song helps a bit but, to be honest to the new and undeveloped ear it is not helpful since to them 4/4 - 4/4 - 4/4 - 3/4 isn't easy to pick up and if they are lucky maybe would sound like 15/4 which is still confusing. And like some of the comments below many are hearing something different and in many cases, even drummers are even flipping the measures around. So what's going on in the mind and ears of the new student? Our future musicians.
      A click track accenting on the 1's would even be helpful. It's not making anyone lazy it's guiding then to learn to listen (we need to start to walk before we run) in the right direction instead of having them lost wondering with no direction or worse learning it all wrong and creating bad habits which as I'm sure you know as a fellow teacher are difficult to get rid of in the long run.
      In the end, what's more important, is that the students are able to ingrain this knowledge write and not start off with bad habits because of confusion and not clearly understanding the material/lessons. This is simply to help and for the love of music.

    • @contrarian8877
      @contrarian8877 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@collectitbydiyversity2442 Damn dawg why don't you write a novel next time?

  • @alessandrolombardi981
    @alessandrolombardi981 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    30 centimetri di dimensione artistica

  • @diqweezle9751
    @diqweezle9751 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been looking for an example of verse in 4/4, ENTIRE CHORUS in 3/4, then back to 4/4 for the verse.

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "The house jack built" by Metallica? Not 100% sure, so check if it's what you want

    • @diqweezle9751
      @diqweezle9751 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MusicTheoryForGuitar thx so much! Checking it out.

  • @RudyLib926
    @RudyLib926 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you ever heard a song where each part plays a different rhythm simultaneously over a longer period? I’ve been fascinated with the concept. E.g. Bass plays 6 bars of 2/4, guitar plays 4 bars of 3/4, and drums play 3 bars of 4/4. Like something where it’s obvious they’re playing different rhythms but somehow it works.
    Is this even a thing or am I crazy?

    • @MusicTheoryForGuitar
      @MusicTheoryForGuitar  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is a thing, it's called "polymeter". Bands like Meshuggah do it in several songs.

  • @robertmurphy1299
    @robertmurphy1299 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lucy in the sky with diamonds.

    • @jasonwalsh8281
      @jasonwalsh8281 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      6/8 to 4/4 and changing the pulse!

  • @jasoncampbell3955
    @jasoncampbell3955 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here's another way to look at #5: 5/4, 5/4, 7/4, 5/4, and the last one would be 4/4 (if you played the last full bar in the video). This is from a drummer, that's how I hear it because of the drummer's phrasing!

  • @gabriele_marrocco
    @gabriele_marrocco 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    o mio dio Elio e le storie tese😍

  • @jasonthefates7311
    @jasonthefates7311 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    where i find trouble is throwing it to the grid on say logic or protools. main reason i hate digitally recording. how many wrote a song counting? A good song that is.

  • @TheMultiGamerOfficial
    @TheMultiGamerOfficial 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A better example of an extra beat is "Superfreak", they add an extra beat at the end.

  • @eumorpha876
    @eumorpha876 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ok, so "Last Exit" by Pearl Jam has the chorus in 4/4, which is cool and good except the rest of the song is 5/4

  • @laurentanneet
    @laurentanneet 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i don't understand why some people do a thumbs down on a video. :p

  • @jimmcdougall9973
    @jimmcdougall9973 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have a listen to Hold On by YES

  • @PaolinoMK
    @PaolinoMK ปีที่แล้ว

    4/4 + 3/4 + 2/4 + 3/4, but also 7/4 + 5/4 for "Wuthering heights"

  • @davetheone7948
    @davetheone7948 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Times Like These by Foo Fighters and Joga by Bjork

  • @satchrules101
    @satchrules101 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish I could hear the one best or 2 beat missing.. should I be listening for the drum or the instruments?

  • @RJC1124
    @RJC1124 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the difference, if any, between a chorus, a bridge and a middle eight?

  • @adam872
    @adam872 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rush - Limelight. Starts in 3/4 and ends in 4/4.

  • @Phoebedumplings
    @Phoebedumplings 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey ya also has a false cadence, I think, key of G...the 6th, E should be minor, but he plays Emajor. Great song, clever guy, Andre?

  • @timbeaton5045
    @timbeaton5045 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My favourite example of lyrics that cut completely across the feel of teh song, is "Veronica" by Elvis Costello. Happy upbeat song, until that moment you realise what teh song is about.
    Go check it.

    • @timbeaton5045
      @timbeaton5045 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, did Burt Bacharach EVER write a song without some time signature modulation?