Hey apologies the music is loud at the start of the gameplay segment I had some copyright issues with music I have licenses for so I used the TH-cam tool to just replace the music at the start.
Could we have a new series called “Why did you use?” Covering old weapons and frames that were meta. I think it would be interesting due to you being a long time player and would be cool to see why they were used and why they aren’t used anymore.
The problem with this would be the lack of video to go along with it since he (obviously) can't capture footage of what used to be possible. It would just end up being a monologue where Brozime reminisces about the good/bad old days.
I agree with the fact that yeah he doesn’t have the old footage to compliment it but just to show the old build, explain why it was the build, what the point of the weapon was at the time and maybe what it’s replacement is currently? I don’t think it has to be on par with his WWYU vids where he shows off the effectiveness of the build in steel path unless the weapon is good enough to do so with a niche build.
@@Prophes0r Typically speaking, most things that actually got worse only got worse relative to new things being introduced that displaced them and then steel path coming out to actually force people off of them, so footage of it isn't actually a problem. I think Maiming Strike and Covert Lethality are the only two things that used to be good but basically do nothing now.
Yes, that would be epic, covering the soma prime, the tonkor + zephyr combo, vaykor hek, Etc. Etc. What a nostalgia trip, people love numbers go up and people love nostalgia.
Great video, and as a Savage silence ash lover myself I didn't even know about the slide while activating mechanic. However, the ash build seems like it could use just one change. Over 100% efficiency is NOT needed on ash. You get back the energy you spent to bladestorm enemies when they die, and with this build, and mine, they die instantly, so while I cast a wide net of targets, while they die, my energy is rapidly being replenished. Drop fleeting expertise. You'll lose nothing really on the energy economy end, but you'll gain 60% duration, not needed for smokescreen, but helps not have to cast silence as often, which compliments your energy needs. In its place use Rising Storm. I understand that you get combo count chance with all those other sources, but rising storm alone with that much power strength gives you more than all those other sources combined. Around 10 per kill if I recall. Along with that is the additional +10s combo duration. It just seems silly to leave out that augment when you go so far to build a stat stick to do what one Warframe mod can help achieve. But the stat stick is great. Again, love the build and video, just the only change that will make it a 9/10 to a 10/10 build is swapping fleeting for rising storm.
To add onto this, he went over the arcanes but not exodia brave. I tend to forget it too, but its also a very good way to get energy, youre invis anyway, got a big pool of energy. So much efficiency is really wasted here as you pointed out already
@@ElderYama your melee weapon doesn't really matter. Rising storm + high strength maxes out your combo to 12x insanely fast, run dex arcanes on your guns if you want more combo. I mean your melee could run drifting contact or something, but the only real *required* mod for your melee is +50% attack speed. And not conditional attack speed, some combo of quickening and gladiator vice or fury, OR JUST primed fury. The attack speed boosting your clones kill speed is literally required to make the killing rotations good enough. Other than that you can use whatever. Although I personally usually run a glaive prime most often, either that or a 12x combo slash weapon like gunsen or preados or a nikana etc
I'm so glad that you're making an updated build video series. I just recently got back into the game after about one or two years of being gone. So much has changed. I have no idea what Steel Path even is. But I remember your videos being very informative and generally agreeing with a lot of your opinions and reasoning. I'm really happy to return to a trusted source of information to tackle the new things the game has to offer. Thank you for your work!
@@AlvinEarthworm You give your clone a boom weapon, finish objective fly away and if you’re not a retard you won’t die. He makes a mundane gameplay loop less mundane that’s it.
@@AlvinEarthworm Except wukong in terms of kit quality is a B tier frame. The A ranking was down to his meta usage, which was based on usage data from the prior year. Wukong would now be in a similar position just because people use him, hes not actually all that great. Wukong really only has 2 abilities, and its frankly pathetic that his 4 deals less damage than melee weapons that don't have an energy drain
@@AlvinEarthworm I don't need other people to tell me how to build a frame when I've played the game for literal years, I know what I'm doing. Wukong is only used because of how fast he is and because of how lazily he can be played, compared to the really good frames his kit is mediocre at the very best. But yeah he's better than inaros since You know he actually has abilities you will ever cast
Thanks for this guide. I havent played ash in forever because of all the other frames just kinda pulling me away from what was once my main frame. Definitely going to have to revisit this guy soon.
I greatly appreciate someone else finally seeing the power of Savage Silence Ash and how pointless stripping armor is when you're 1 tapping guys with full armor anyway.
@@dahabs123 Actually you still 1 tap in steel path. If we're talking non-steel path it's even more ridiculous. Maybe try it out for yourself and see, the only thing that limits the damage output is weak weapons and weapons not modded for the purpose. Also Daggers are fine, and there is certainly nothing wrong with using a zaw dagger. But if you really want to see it shine throw some attack speed and crit on a hammer and go to town with those 12x finisher multipliers.
Just barely been getting back into Warframe, as soon as I found out that you could Helminth abilities now, this was the first thing that came to mind! Really happy to see this man, thanks!
I wish the fatal silence ash build was talked about more its really powerful you insta kill basically everything and get a cool cinematic w/ invincibility, its just nutty.
Redeemer (Prime)/Vastilok are really great stat sticks for this build as you can get 12x in 3-4 shots if all pellets hit and using 1-2 combo chance mods. I also like to run secondary dexterity on my secondary primer so you don't have to use as many combo duration mods. Good build tho!
Oh yeah. And then if you choose Vastilok you can also build Shattering Impact into it to do armor stripping in case you ever need that in the same build.
I've seen this build in game before and it looked like a lot of fun. Ash is an amazing frame and is by far my favourite "stealth" frame. I use him with the MIGHTY SEER and it's a 10/10
@@Prophes0r out of character yeah it's a meme. Started off by me getting friends to build it by saying how good it was. Now days its changed into there being so many "meta breaking op" vids and stuff so I push this in satire type thing. That and if I stop people call me out haha
Just wanna drop you a line. I haven't used Ash in MONTHS. Although I'm not using 100% of the ideas you put out on the vid, I was given a few ideas about my set up and weapon synergy so thanks a bunch. Looking forward to future refresh ideas. FYI I was today old when I realized what POLARITY swaps did. I've been playing the game for 5 years and have followed numerous commenter/influencers. Maybe I missed that lesson that day?
For those watching after AoZ update, the innodem is by far the new best melee weapon for Ash. You'll lose out on the arcane, but gain the following. Evo 2: your choice Evo 3: 60% finisher damage Evo 4: 20 combo on finisher Evo 5: On finisher, stun aware enemies in a 10m radius, OR collecting ammo provides 5 melee combo counter
1. If you are using the real definition of Ninja, there are several frames that qualify. * 2. If you are using the thematic definition of Ninja, there are several frames that qualify. BONUS: Go look up how the traditional black ninja costume came about. It is almost certainly not how/why you think. But it IS a neat little mind-screw. * or possibly zero.
I love to use fatal teleport and rising storm along with the swift momentum aura mod which adds to the combo counter. I think I'm going to try using savage silence, but I'll have to figure out what I'll drop In the build. Ash is my go to for steel path and endurance runs. Great build by the way. Few things I didn't know.
Teleport has always been my favorite melee Ash ability. In solo or decently coordinated co-op, I basically zip to an enemy, anomaly if it's a group, leave behind a lethal slash proc or two and move on. I think Seeking Shuriken is cool for focused dps vs. like an acolyte, but the rest of his kit is where the high scaling kps comes from. I wish the strip wasn't an augment, I feel just needing to build str for 100% should be enough, no practical point to the ability otherwise. Then the ability would 100% have my approval as the occasional answer to a tank, it's expensive and slow to spam, but otherwise great speed and economy. Ohh, this is vulnerable to crossfire though, need good rolling guard movement.
Stripping definitely should be a standard feature of the shuriken. Without stripping it is a completely useless ability. Augments should change abilities, not be band aids to fix useless abilities.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 Yep Ash is definitely not the only case like this... It'd be amazing if they move on to focusing on this after most general frame reworks are done, then maybe change up some weapons so they have niches over the weapons that pretty much powercrept them, still quite some statuses that are really hard to make an argument for as well.
I just started posting and made an Ash build guide today as well. In the back of my mind I'm nervous that I'm trying to compete with you, but never the less, loved the build. Haven't seen this Ash build used before so it was a fresh breather :)
I run a similar build to this however i do run a different melee, I run a ranks dark dagger that goes, blast,corrosive,radiation, it lost has both sacrificial mods, covert lethality, and lastly healing return. So the danger can give energy, oversheilds, health and take on most enemies. Cant. Wait for cross play…
1. I see what you did there with that first music track Mr. Clever Guy... 2. It would probably be worth doing 2x builds for some (Most?All?) Frames. The vast majority of players don't have every frame. Or Helminth. So "I don't use X for" is less valid than "X can be used for". I know your Free 2 Play series shows a lot of shortcuts to power, but these videos might be someone's first encounter with your content, and it could be very helpful for lower MR players who have only a handful of frames(or frame slots) to understand that X frame can be useful for Y utility. 3. Ash Specific Q: Do syndicate procs interact with Ash [4] finishers? If so, the Energy Restoring weapons, or mods if it only works with melee, could be super useful for people without a full Arcane Energize.
I'd like to know this too. Even back when Covert Lethality guaranteed a kill on a Finisher, Teleport was way too slow for combat use with the forced finisher anim. I ended up only ever using it to bypass laser grids or other alarms during spy missions.
I wonder if the Helminth system can make Frost...better...or at least more fun. God I wish I could just do half the fun stuff new and updated frames can do.
you can helmith immune to status. that would take you to steel path. silence needs duration.and strength. your bubble would be teenie tiny :O immune to status is better. there will be times,everybody dies...except you. on exit from a thing your doing..that is hard.and you cant get out fast enuf :O p.s. it has done wonders for my nova. shes not fond of dying. and yes im one of those mages that likes to stand in the red stuff the boss spews...cuz i can :P
It's really good as a dps maxer, I wish it wasn't an augment so it's less of a waste to have access to in normal missions though. His slash enhancing passive is kinda the nail in the coffin for it's uses besides like bosses/very high level demolysts etc. If it was a freebie I'd throw it at every tanky enemy, it's very cheap and fast if you use it selectively.
So will this be along side the roster review in the sense where you'll just link back to these in the roster review? Like a "here's ash. he's sitting at an A. He can do a lot of content will some fun helminth builds, check out this video for more." kind of thing?
being that i dont play the game anymore i dont care if things get nerfed when you get to mag im more than sure you are aware that beach surge is completely busted on mag however i dont think people know that breach surge can prock arcane rage. with how close proximity they all are you have a 100% uptime on rage and with the new mods this is kinda busted. breach surge does not proc dead hunt and most of the time the enemies die from mags bubble so its more diffecult to use the weapon arcanes. you still get enough kills with direct impact on lower tier stuff for it to be relevant. effectively you could run rage and merciless for an absurd dmg and runn all elemental/functional mods. tbh though in most content it is not needed mag is already busted but its an extra busted option.
Not sure why, but even after copying your build 100% (except prime sure footed, but that's not relevant) but my Bladestorm does nowhere near enough damage you do. I test against level 135s and without silence they don't die from the Bladestorm, but they do die after bleeding for a while afterwards. With Silence active they die, but not from one hit. All three hits are necessary. I don't understand the difference, do you have any ideas what could be causing it? Combo counter maybe?
After doing a few tests, Yes! It is because off the lack of combo counters, Blade Storm gains 25% additional damage for each combo multiplier, up to a 3.75x damage multiplier at 12x combo, or 4.0x with Venka Prime equipped at 13x combo, if you btw want to make it a bit easier to not only get them up and running faster but also to keep them for longer, look into replacing the Streamline mod with his Rising Storm augment.
@@gratefulguardian7407 Yeah I noticed this after doing more testing. I have been running this in Steel Path now, and I absolutely love it! Might give Rising Storm a go, thanks for the suggestion!
As a bit of feedback and constructive criticism, maybe condense a few frames in one video, because by the time you'll be done with this series, DE will have changed a bunch of frames and the meta will have shifted. That's all!
would relentless combination work for the stat stick? cause 100% chance to increase the melee combo counter on slash proc with an ability that has guaranteed slash procs seems like it'd be pretty good
Haha, was just commenting about this build about a week ago Altho i run less efficiency in exchange for Rising Storm which allows glaives to reach a second level of ridiculousness
if they changed ash's blade storm to activate the moment an enemy is marked i'd play him sooooo much, i hate marking then killing enemies with any ability
i love that you're going over older frame builds to update them. but the cat constantly making noises is kinda distracting for me (watching with a headset).
It has always been that way. It has something to do with the way that finisher animations are chosen from the available pool, based on the current animation. If you slide into any finisher animation you limit the pool to a specific pool, even in other circumstances.
much as id love the "no-activation for ash on 4" idea you gotta admit DE is trying REAL hard to not just insert "look at enemy and they die" mechanics, yea? cuz the way 4 works now is you turn it on, look around, turn it off, things just happen. now change that to "turn on 4, look around, stuff doesnt stop dying until you stop lookin" and we're basically changing to an entirely different game altogether. at least with ignis wraith you have to hold a button down the entire time or pause to reload. 😅
Hey, since I believe u might do a roaster review for this year, I was thinking maybe u can grade warframes twice, base frame/helminth frame. I think this is cool cause some frames go from C to A and that's a huge difference e.e
No matter how much damage ppl put on him, no matter how much ppl use helminth on him, no matter how many stupid ppl say "he`s perfect" despite you needing fatal teleport to even make the ability work consistently, it won`t fix the amount of issues he has. He needs a revisit not a rework, not QOL A REVISIT stats and ppls actions proves it.
I’m an ash main and I’d say take off stretch teleport goes the distance without it so you have a free mod slot but the build is similar to mine just weaker and I would see how difficult to use this build you have in steel path I use a zaw with the dykiu and the hykau
They've still yet to fix the jank that happens when you teleport to an enemy that's in *ANY* animation or just climbing a ledge. Even without that it at times refuses to attack for you given you use the augment if there's even a bit of an elevation going..
Why do you need so much energy economy when Bladestorm refunds all the energy if it kills enemy before the third attack (which is all the time with savage silence)?
How does Savage Silence compare to the Smoke Screen crit buff? For this build at least. Since being invis has advantages for the ult, and you want to use it anyway...I was thinking then I could subsume something else instead of silence.
Is this build still viable? According to TheKengineer, Combo Counters make no difference to the Shadow Finishers. So is the combo multiplier just for the non finisher attacks?
Have you tested a variant that benefits from high combo counter using Venka Prime as "stat stick"? Would be curious to see how that variant fares against this one
personally I've been really enjoying silence on ivara, simply for being able to speedrun spy or rescue etc. Just having the resonator effect of turning off the ai in a specific aoe around ivara for speedrunning is really nice, especially when you use arcane consequence and bullet jump the whole tile in 1 jump.
Speed running spy with Ivara? Pretty sure you wouldn't make the top 1000 on any spy mission list with wukong as an option. No augment to pass through lasers AND he GAINS speed when going invisible. Ivara may be nice for spy, but saying you Speedrun spy with Ivara is kind of a laugh
been loving this build since it came out but I seem to have noticed that recently, its been more difficult activating Arcane Trickery. Anyone else here noticed this? Or am I just imagining things (or perhaps just extremely unlucky)
If you have the fatal teleport augment and teleport to join your clones mid blade storm does the augment increase finisher damage of your blade storm like savage silence or no is doesn’t work someone please answer
@@spenkerdetanker9067 I think they might be talking about old covert lethality, but that wasn't really good for kps, and don't need it for dps with how busted weapons are, especially with Ash's passive. Can also strip armor, even make use of stealth multiplier if you do it right. Ohh wait, iirc Ash actually used to be a crazy AoE nuke before I even played the game? Maybe they're talking about that instead.
@@Gnurklesquimp I was making fun of the spelling lmao. Yeah ash's 4 was basically "everything in a 30m radius around ash get's their juggular surgically deleted"
Sadly, not even really then. Ash is the king of slash procs, and slash totally bypasses armor. Do armor strip is never needed on him….even a rivenless convectrix can VERY easily kill lvl 9,999 demolysts in the hands of ash, with no armor stripping.
Hey apologies the music is loud at the start of the gameplay segment I had some copyright issues with music I have licenses for so I used the TH-cam tool to just replace the music at the start.
Ngl, I liked it. I usually only listen to these videos and it gave me something to listen to for a minute instead of leaving.
i love it by the way
Does covert lethality do anything with ash when he uses daggers with them equipped?
Tbh hearing the first song replaced being silly piano music to ash obliterating hundreds of dudes was incredible, top tier moment
Does the xoris work with ash?
Could we have a new series called “Why did you use?” Covering old weapons and frames that were meta. I think it would be interesting due to you being a long time player and would be cool to see why they were used and why they aren’t used anymore.
The problem with this would be the lack of video to go along with it since he (obviously) can't capture footage of what used to be possible.
It would just end up being a monologue where Brozime reminisces about the good/bad old days.
I agree with the fact that yeah he doesn’t have the old footage to compliment it but just to show the old build, explain why it was the build, what the point of the weapon was at the time and maybe what it’s replacement is currently? I don’t think it has to be on par with his WWYU vids where he shows off the effectiveness of the build in steel path unless the weapon is good enough to do so with a niche build.
@@Prophes0r Typically speaking, most things that actually got worse only got worse relative to new things being introduced that displaced them and then steel path coming out to actually force people off of them, so footage of it isn't actually a problem. I think Maiming Strike and Covert Lethality are the only two things that used to be good but basically do nothing now.
Yes, that would be epic, covering the soma prime, the tonkor + zephyr combo, vaykor hek, Etc. Etc. What a nostalgia trip, people love numbers go up and people love nostalgia.
NovaUmbra does that already from what I've seen
Edit: specifically for warframes
Great video, and as a Savage silence ash lover myself I didn't even know about the slide while activating mechanic.
However, the ash build seems like it could use just one change. Over 100% efficiency is NOT needed on ash. You get back the energy you spent to bladestorm enemies when they die, and with this build, and mine, they die instantly, so while I cast a wide net of targets, while they die, my energy is rapidly being replenished.
Drop fleeting expertise. You'll lose nothing really on the energy economy end, but you'll gain 60% duration, not needed for smokescreen, but helps not have to cast silence as often, which compliments your energy needs.
In its place use Rising Storm. I understand that you get combo count chance with all those other sources, but rising storm alone with that much power strength gives you more than all those other sources combined. Around 10 per kill if I recall. Along with that is the additional +10s combo duration.
It just seems silly to leave out that augment when you go so far to build a stat stick to do what one Warframe mod can help achieve. But the stat stick is great.
Again, love the build and video, just the only change that will make it a 9/10 to a 10/10 build is swapping fleeting for rising storm.
To add onto this, he went over the arcanes but not exodia brave. I tend to forget it too, but its also a very good way to get energy, youre invis anyway, got a big pool of energy. So much efficiency is really wasted here as you pointed out already
I have a question its range really necessary?
Am takeing notes off this comment lol
So if we drop fleeting for rising storm how should the melee be modded then?
@@ElderYama your melee weapon doesn't really matter. Rising storm + high strength maxes out your combo to 12x insanely fast, run dex arcanes on your guns if you want more combo. I mean your melee could run drifting contact or something, but the only real *required* mod for your melee is +50% attack speed. And not conditional attack speed, some combo of quickening and gladiator vice or fury, OR JUST primed fury. The attack speed boosting your clones kill speed is literally required to make the killing rotations good enough. Other than that you can use whatever. Although I personally usually run a glaive prime most often, either that or a 12x combo slash weapon like gunsen or preados or a nikana etc
I'm so glad that you're making an updated build video series.
I just recently got back into the game after about one or two years of being gone.
So much has changed.
I have no idea what Steel Path even is.
But I remember your videos being very informative and generally agreeing with a lot of your opinions and reasoning.
I'm really happy to return to a trusted source of information to tackle the new things the game has to offer.
Thank you for your work!
Love that you're making refresh vids. Gotta say your fashion is on point. Any chance you'd add a section at the end or a link to it somewhere?
Looking forward to your roster review, you're the only person I trust to give an accurate tier list
@@AlvinEarthworm its not like wukong is all that great hes just easy and brain dead.
Check out Knightmare Frame
@@AlvinEarthworm You give your clone a boom weapon, finish objective fly away and if you’re not a retard you won’t die. He makes a mundane gameplay loop less mundane that’s it.
@@AlvinEarthworm Except wukong in terms of kit quality is a B tier frame. The A ranking was down to his meta usage, which was based on usage data from the prior year. Wukong would now be in a similar position just because people use him, hes not actually all that great. Wukong really only has 2 abilities, and its frankly pathetic that his 4 deals less damage than melee weapons that don't have an energy drain
@@AlvinEarthworm I don't need other people to tell me how to build a frame when I've played the game for literal years, I know what I'm doing. Wukong is only used because of how fast he is and because of how lazily he can be played, compared to the really good frames his kit is mediocre at the very best. But yeah he's better than inaros since You know he actually has abilities you will ever cast
Thanks for this guide. I havent played ash in forever because of all the other frames just kinda pulling me away from what was once my main frame. Definitely going to have to revisit this guy soon.
Thrilled to hear about the build refresh series!
I greatly appreciate someone else finally seeing the power of Savage Silence Ash and how pointless stripping armor is when you're 1 tapping guys with full armor anyway.
Blade Storm's damage bypasses armor, it deals true damage as slash damage.
Stripping armor with his one is only useful now in disruption. But even that can be given to any other frame now.
you one tap nothing in the steel path...you say what you say.because you play nub maps :O
@@dahabs123 Actually you still 1 tap in steel path. If we're talking non-steel path it's even more ridiculous.
Maybe try it out for yourself and see, the only thing that limits the damage output is weak weapons and weapons not modded for the purpose. Also Daggers are fine, and there is certainly nothing wrong with using a zaw dagger. But if you really want to see it shine throw some attack speed and crit on a hammer and go to town with those 12x finisher multipliers.
@@Ka05Incarnate is arca titron good? Got a riven for it
Just barely been getting back into Warframe, as soon as I found out that you could Helminth abilities now, this was the first thing that came to mind! Really happy to see this man, thanks!
Hey me too! Wouldn't happen to be on pc would you?
4:10 is by far my favourite moment of this video
ive been on a binge of your older build videos and i was wondering if you would do something like this. thank you so much!
Sir "it make number go up" is a MIGHTY need
I wish the fatal silence ash build was talked about more its really powerful you insta kill basically everything and get a cool cinematic w/ invincibility, its just nutty.
Let everyone keep sleeping on him.
Redeemer (Prime)/Vastilok are really great stat sticks for this build as you can get 12x in 3-4 shots if all pellets hit and using 1-2 combo chance mods. I also like to run secondary dexterity on my secondary primer so you don't have to use as many combo duration mods. Good build tho!
Oh yeah. And then if you choose Vastilok you can also build Shattering Impact into it to do armor stripping in case you ever need that in the same build.
I've seen this build in game before and it looked like a lot of fun. Ash is an amazing frame and is by far my favourite "stealth" frame. I use him with the MIGHTY SEER and it's a 10/10
@@jakepittman3068 only to the faithless
That horse is mighty dead.
I'm almost positive that this is a joke...
...but not entirely? So good job I guess?
@@Prophes0r out of character yeah it's a meme. Started off by me getting friends to build it by saying how good it was. Now days its changed into there being so many "meta breaking op" vids and stuff so I push this in satire type thing. That and if I stop people call me out haha
Ash goes better with the GODLY KRAKEN.
Will these be replacing the roster reviews? Or will these just be alongside an upcoming roster review?
they go with it
Just wanna drop you a line. I haven't used Ash in MONTHS. Although I'm not using 100% of the ideas you put out on the vid, I was given a few ideas about my set up and weapon synergy so thanks a bunch. Looking forward to future refresh ideas. FYI I was today old when I realized what POLARITY swaps did. I've been playing the game for 5 years and have followed numerous commenter/influencers. Maybe I missed that lesson that day?
For those watching after AoZ update, the innodem is by far the new best melee weapon for Ash. You'll lose out on the arcane, but gain the following.
Evo 2: your choice
Evo 3: 60% finisher damage
Evo 4: 20 combo on finisher
Evo 5: On finisher, stun aware enemies in a 10m radius, OR collecting ammo provides 5 melee combo counter
I wonder if with the ammo changes the ammo combo count evo 5 will get buffed to give more since ammo will be a rarer drop.
Being only actual ninja in this space ninja game Ash will allways have a special spot in the roster. +it being solid frame doesent hurt.
1. If you are using the real definition of Ninja, there are several frames that qualify. *
2. If you are using the thematic definition of Ninja, there are several frames that qualify.
BONUS: Go look up how the traditional black ninja costume came about. It is almost certainly not how/why you think. But it IS a neat little mind-screw.
* or possibly zero.
I love to use fatal teleport and rising storm along with the swift momentum aura mod which adds to the combo counter. I think I'm going to try using savage silence, but I'll have to figure out what I'll drop In the build. Ash is my go to for steel path and endurance runs. Great build by the way. Few things I didn't know.
Crazy to see a build I suggested show up in one of these videos. I had been dropping this build idea for months and months now.
Good to see Ash getting some love.
Teleport has always been my favorite melee Ash ability. In solo or decently coordinated co-op, I basically zip to an enemy, anomaly if it's a group, leave behind a lethal slash proc or two and move on. I think Seeking Shuriken is cool for focused dps vs. like an acolyte, but the rest of his kit is where the high scaling kps comes from. I wish the strip wasn't an augment, I feel just needing to build str for 100% should be enough, no practical point to the ability otherwise. Then the ability would 100% have my approval as the occasional answer to a tank, it's expensive and slow to spam, but otherwise great speed and economy. Ohh, this is vulnerable to crossfire though, need good rolling guard movement.
Stripping definitely should be a standard feature of the shuriken. Without stripping it is a completely useless ability. Augments should change abilities, not be band aids to fix useless abilities.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 Yep Ash is definitely not the only case like this... It'd be amazing if they move on to focusing on this after most general frame reworks are done, then maybe change up some weapons so they have niches over the weapons that pretty much powercrept them, still quite some statuses that are really hard to make an argument for as well.
Just crafted ash prime, your bladestorm gameplay definitely put a smile on my face 😀
I just started posting and made an Ash build guide today as well. In the back of my mind I'm nervous that I'm trying to compete with you, but never the less, loved the build. Haven't seen this Ash build used before so it was a fresh breather :)
yooooo please just go down the list of warframes and do build refreshs or rework ideas i love this
I like the music over the kuva survival show off. I think it makes the run more interesting to watch
I run a similar build to this however i do run a different melee, I run a ranks dark dagger that goes, blast,corrosive,radiation, it lost has both sacrificial mods, covert lethality, and lastly healing return. So the danger can give energy, oversheilds, health and take on most enemies. Cant. Wait for cross play…
Finally I've waited for this
1. I see what you did there with that first music track Mr. Clever Guy...
2. It would probably be worth doing 2x builds for some (Most?All?) Frames. The vast majority of players don't have every frame. Or Helminth. So "I don't use X for" is less valid than "X can be used for". I know your Free 2 Play series shows a lot of shortcuts to power, but these videos might be someone's first encounter with your content, and it could be very helpful for lower MR players who have only a handful of frames(or frame slots) to understand that X frame can be useful for Y utility.
3. Ash Specific Q: Do syndicate procs interact with Ash [4] finishers? If so, the Energy Restoring weapons, or mods if it only works with melee, could be super useful for people without a full Arcane Energize.
Really like the idea of this series!
Think this build works super well, only problem is the horrendous grind to farm regular ash...
Why would you bother to grind?
It would be far FAR faster to grind plat and buy Ash Prime.
@@Prophes0r regular ash for the subsume ability
Lol wasn’t expecting the swing jazz in the Sp run nice touch
I’ve always wanted this thank you 🙏🏽
Ive been waiting for this for a while.
What are your use cases for Teleport? Curious as to the reasoning, almost everyone replaces it haha
I'd like to know this too. Even back when Covert Lethality guaranteed a kill on a Finisher, Teleport was way too slow for combat use with the forced finisher anim. I ended up only ever using it to bypass laser grids or other alarms during spy missions.
Why don't you use Covert Lethality on his stat stick? Does it not work?
So instead of a teir list vid this year we get build videos for ever frame I like it
Looking forward to Oberon. Also this build is so much better than mine I’m gonna yoink some ideas
Do you ever go into public games and people are like , yoooo that’s Brozime!
I wonder if the Helminth system can make Frost...better...or at least more fun. God I wish I could just do half the fun stuff new and updated frames can do.
you can helmith immune to status.
that would take you to steel path.
silence needs duration.and strength.
your bubble would be teenie tiny :O
immune to status is better.
there will be times,everybody dies...except you.
on exit from a thing your doing..that is hard.and you cant get out fast enuf :O
p.s. it has done wonders for my nova.
shes not fond of dying.
and yes im one of those mages that likes to stand in the red stuff the boss spews...cuz i can :P
“Defection” Brozime’s thoughts: “Oh shit now they know I actually like defection… fuck fuck fuck.”
I use ash 1 with augment for grineer bosses. Works amazing
It's really good as a dps maxer, I wish it wasn't an augment so it's less of a waste to have access to in normal missions though.
His slash enhancing passive is kinda the nail in the coffin for it's uses besides like bosses/very high level demolysts etc.
If it was a freebie I'd throw it at every tanky enemy, it's very cheap and fast if you use it selectively.
@@Gnurklesquimp same
So will this be along side the roster review in the sense where you'll just link back to these in the roster review?
Like a "here's ash. he's sitting at an A. He can do a lot of content will some fun helminth builds, check out this video for more." kind of thing?
Gotta love the chill music playing in the background while ash is committing mass genocide. True super villain status :D
being that i dont play the game anymore i dont care if things get nerfed when you get to mag im more than sure you are aware that beach surge is completely busted on mag however i dont think people know that breach surge can prock arcane rage. with how close proximity they all are you have a 100% uptime on rage and with the new mods this is kinda busted. breach surge does not proc dead hunt and most of the time the enemies die from mags bubble so its more diffecult to use the weapon arcanes. you still get enough kills with direct impact on lower tier stuff for it to be relevant. effectively you could run rage and merciless for an absurd dmg and runn all elemental/functional mods. tbh though in most content it is not needed mag is already busted but its an extra busted option.
Slide leads to spin, perhaps that is why the animation is slightly quicker 🤔
Not sure why, but even after copying your build 100% (except prime sure footed, but that's not relevant) but my Bladestorm does nowhere near enough damage you do. I test against level 135s and without silence they don't die from the Bladestorm, but they do die after bleeding for a while afterwards. With Silence active they die, but not from one hit. All three hits are necessary. I don't understand the difference, do you have any ideas what could be causing it? Combo counter maybe?
After doing a few tests, Yes! It is because off the lack of combo counters, Blade Storm gains 25% additional damage for each combo multiplier, up to a 3.75x damage multiplier at 12x combo, or 4.0x with Venka Prime equipped at 13x combo, if you btw want to make it a bit easier to not only get them up and running faster but also to keep them for longer, look into replacing the Streamline mod with his Rising Storm augment.
@@gratefulguardian7407 Yeah I noticed this after doing more testing. I have been running this in Steel Path now, and I absolutely love it! Might give Rising Storm a go, thanks for the suggestion!
Welcome to the party Brozime, took you a while to figure out Silence on Ash :D Also Ash Ult benefits from Finisher bonuses on Rivens.
Sir, we don't speak of those things in polite conversation.
I only know about things I've made a video about? This build is old it's just an up to date video for him
I replaced the shuriken with Marked for Dead. It does the job well.
This was my 1st helminth
As a bit of feedback and constructive criticism, maybe condense a few frames in one video, because by the time you'll be done with this series, DE will have changed a bunch of frames and the meta will have shifted. That's all!
would relentless combination work for the stat stick? cause 100% chance to increase the melee combo counter on slash proc with an ability that has guaranteed slash procs seems like it'd be pretty good
Sadly relentless doesn't work with it
excellent just what i was waiting on lol
Haha, was just commenting about this build about a week ago
Altho i run less efficiency in exchange for Rising Storm which allows glaives to reach a second level of ridiculousness
if they changed ash's blade storm to activate the moment an enemy is marked i'd play him sooooo much, i hate marking then killing enemies with any ability
i love that you're going over older frame builds to update them. but the cat constantly making noises is kinda distracting for me (watching with a headset).
Savage ash does big meme damage easily 150k slash ticks in steel path
Will a Riven with +Finisher Damage affect the damage of his bladestorm?
the slide speed boost for finishers better be a hidden mechanic and not an oversight from DE
It has always been that way. It has something to do with the way that finisher animations are chosen from the available pool, based on the current animation.
If you slide into any finisher animation you limit the pool to a specific pool, even in other circumstances.
much as id love the "no-activation for ash on 4" idea you gotta admit DE is trying REAL hard to not just insert "look at enemy and they die" mechanics, yea? cuz the way 4 works now is you turn it on, look around, turn it off, things just happen.
now change that to "turn on 4, look around, stuff doesnt stop dying until you stop lookin" and we're basically changing to an entirely different game altogether. at least with ignis wraith you have to hold a button down the entire time or pause to reload. 😅
Hey, since I believe u might do a roaster review for this year, I was thinking maybe u can grade warframes twice, base frame/helminth frame. I think this is cool cause some frames go from C to A and that's a huge difference e.e
No matter how much damage ppl put on him, no matter how much ppl use helminth on him, no matter how many stupid ppl say "he`s perfect" despite you needing fatal teleport to even make the ability work consistently, it won`t fix the amount of issues he has. He needs a revisit not a rework, not QOL A REVISIT stats and ppls actions proves it.
Use Madurai Focus for more damage, or Naramon to make combo counter even more forgiving! Unless they don't apply idk
I use Naramon. You don’t really need the extra damage but being able to keep your combo counter will allow you to hold onto that initial damage.
I’m an ash main and I’d say take off stretch teleport goes the distance without it so you have a free mod slot but the build is similar to mine just weaker and I would see how difficult to use this build you have in steel path I use a zaw with the dykiu and the hykau
Waiting for that 2022 warframe tierlist now
2022 tier list when?
ash used to be great you didn't have to mark the targets just find a enemy hit R1 and kill everything in and outside of the room
they should definitely go back to that it was fun
They've still yet to fix the jank that happens when you teleport to an enemy that's in *ANY* animation or just climbing a ledge. Even without that it at times refuses to attack for you given you use the augment if there's even a bit of an elevation going..
I'm here being excal fan boy using the second skill subsumed ability that can go up to 500%(on my build) forgot banshee exist and it does more XD
Why do you need so much energy economy when Bladestorm refunds all the energy if it kills enemy before the third attack (which is all the time with savage silence)?
I'm doing decent damage but not nearly as much as you I don't know what I'm doing wrong? Should I be using the same melee weapon as you or something?
I take it + X% finisher damage on melee mods doesn't affect Ash's 4 still.
Hey Brozime what Archon shards would you recommend on this build for Ash?
Maybe i just suck at doing damage but i actually really like armor stripping
Broz: explaining useful things
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"you dont need this" me, getting it anyway
How does Savage Silence compare to the Smoke Screen crit buff? For this build at least. Since being invis has advantages for the ult, and you want to use it anyway...I was thinking then I could subsume something else instead of silence.
When’s the 2021 roster review coming?
Is this build still viable? According to TheKengineer, Combo Counters make no difference to the Shadow Finishers. So is the combo multiplier just for the non finisher attacks?
Have you tested a variant that benefits from high combo counter using Venka Prime as "stat stick"? Would be curious to see how that variant fares against this one
Can you make a video on the best way to get arcanes? Still confused and the grind seems a lot
A cool build, thank you! Also could someone tell me what his ephemera is? Doesn't look like smoking body to me.
I think its vengeful toxin
"Alphabetical order"
Xaku mains will need to have some patience
personally I've been really enjoying silence on ivara, simply for being able to speedrun spy or rescue etc. Just having the resonator effect of turning off the ai in a specific aoe around ivara for speedrunning is really nice, especially when you use arcane consequence and bullet jump the whole tile in 1 jump.
Speed running spy with Ivara?
Pretty sure you wouldn't make the top 1000 on any spy mission list with wukong as an option.
No augment to pass through lasers AND he GAINS speed when going invisible.
Ivara may be nice for spy, but saying you Speedrun spy with Ivara is kind of a laugh
@@Vi74LiTy im an ivara main so, i know wukong is fast but i enjoy ivara as a frame
do u have to use a zaw or can you use a nikana prime will it still be the same ?
Do I still augment ash with duration archon shards with this build or go for full ability strength shards?
is there a way to remove the piss colored filter when you use ash's invisibility? loki and octavia don't have this.
Anyone else play from release and still not have any idea what you are doing?
I've got almost the same setup but it seems like I'm only maybe 10-30% of the same damage, no idea what I'm doing wrong
i'm not sure how i feel about ash massacring enemies to jazz lol
Would the innodem incarnon dagger be good? Ty
been loving this build since it came out but I seem to have noticed that recently, its been more difficult activating Arcane Trickery. Anyone else here noticed this? Or am I just imagining things (or perhaps just extremely unlucky)
It feels like it hardly procs ive been wondering If I should get another one
cant wait for nezha
Epic
If you have the fatal teleport augment and teleport to join your clones mid blade storm does the augment increase finisher damage of your blade storm like savage silence or no is doesn’t work someone please answer
*Ash used to be really good at high levels until DE swapped that last H for an S.*
higs levels?
@@spenkerdetanker9067 I think they might be talking about old covert lethality, but that wasn't really good for kps, and don't need it for dps with how busted weapons are, especially with Ash's passive. Can also strip armor, even make use of stealth multiplier if you do it right.
Ohh wait, iirc Ash actually used to be a crazy AoE nuke before I even played the game? Maybe they're talking about that instead.
@@AlvinEarthworm You don't seem to remember that "Git Gud" is a phrase used to make fun of people who tell others to "get good".
@@AlvinEarthworm I mean...you're welcome for letting you know that you are using something wrong, and look like a fool when you do it?
@@Gnurklesquimp I was making fun of the spelling lmao. Yeah ash's 4 was basically "everything in a 30m radius around ash get's their juggular surgically deleted"
you try Arcane Ultimatum in build ?
Ash's 1 is only useful for Steel Path Disruption. Even then, you'd have to go decently deep into the run for it to become super useful.
Sadly, not even really then. Ash is the king of slash procs, and slash totally bypasses armor. Do armor strip is never needed on him….even a rivenless convectrix can VERY easily kill lvl 9,999 demolysts in the hands of ash, with no armor stripping.