Yeah I like the M20 Pro and I'm thinking of a dual battery job the upgrade controller, motors brakes, suspension etcbut I'm a crossbar kinda guy, it helps to stretch a bit lol.
it probably is a 250watt motor, but its also probably a 36 volt motor with a 48 volt controller and battery, that would make it go alot faster, but still keeps it legal, you will just burn out the motor faster
I own the M20 and my wife has the L20. Your numbers are similar to what our American 750 watt bikes do. They have been impressing me on a daily basis. They do well off road and on hill climbs. They are well built machines
You can have the Throttle activated as long as it doesn't propel you faster than 3.7 mph! I was just reading all the stuff last night for my new one and come across the part about the 3.7 mph legal Throttle use! You can use it if you are older n have disabilities trying to put the power down to set off
That is actually a 48v bike with an 18amp controller that peaks at 960 watts and is rated at 750 watts continuous. In the USA this bike is technically illegal as it goes over 20mph by throttle alone. How could it be otherwise, the thing goes 25mph and flys uphill. If I were in the UK, I’d buy one in a second!! I live in the US and bought the class 2 Wired freedom (60v 2000 watts, 40mph when it is unlocked). Nice to have the power and speed if you need it.
The real motor power of this bike is 500 watts (both eu and us models rebranded as 250/750 same exact engine )wich paired with the 48v makes it really a good combo.
By the sound the bike is making I would say it is a planetary geared motor which gives more torque than a basic hub motor and this can be up to 3 times greater. Showing better performance on hills. Planetary geared motors will need maintenance before a hub motor. There is always a sacrifice for basic power.
I love a utiltarian e-bike especailly as things like aero and weight become less important. Assist speed of 15.5 is fine for me it's about 60% of my non assisted speed and I usually cruise about 16mph analgoue so for me it's about eliminating the hills and allowing me to not question adventures and taking stuff to work. 20mph just causes too much strain on my compenents and it stops becoming an assist and just becomes the primary power of motion which feels disengaged and defeates the point of being on the bike for me.
I've just bought a wolf in sheep's clothing tricycle three seater that does an eye watering 33pmh, 80 miles on a single charge 48v 30ah lithium battery, equipped with quadruple rear suspension creating anti tipping, can climb 30%+ gradients, grandma loves it for doing her Iceland shop 😁
Hi Dave sounds pretty great e-trike that can do 33mph is sufficient enough to handle the day - night life routine. Bet your grandma loves it going down for the shop, where did you get yours?? as my mom who is old less fortunate needs one.
Looked at loads of reviews of ebikes. Im 61 with a bit of arthritis. Your review was great. Sandy Lane done it for me. Love it to bits as does my housemate. Loads of people ask about it.Thx for the £50 code too. Keep up the good work.
On a normal MTB i pedal to 35 km/h, and my current e-MTB cuts off at 25 km/h and then e-brakes to slow me down when i go over. So i think 30-35 km/h should be standard/top for e bikes, not 25 km/h which is slower than i would ride with no motor on it.
It's a ridiculous law. My folding road bike can hit 22mph without much trouble. And I've been on a 16lb carbon road bike that hit 33MPH. This 15.5mph law makes no sense..
@@fender1000100 its to keep the scared curtain twitching daily mail readers voting tory, they think all ebikes and scooters are ridden by 14yr old gangsters whilst vaping
It'll never encourage car drivers to switch over to a "green" transport that does half the urban speed limit. It's silly cos I'm 54 and can maintain 20-22mph on legs all day. Even got stopped in my youth for doing 37mph downhill, in a 30 zone.
I would just like to thank you i saw this video a year ago when i was looking for a good ebike for the uk. Bit abit pricey for me after a year its my birthday i have enough looked at current videos and the reviews are still great so you were spot on! Get mine next week!!!
Yea, they do need to look at this, power and ability to get up hills with larger folks on and equipment etc puts the base 250w bikes with the dinosaurs, we need at least 500 and throttles to make these bikes easier and safer to use
Totally with you on this. No reason all bikes can't be 1000w but limited. They don't have to accelerate crazily either as some people think they must if they're that powerful.
It's very hard to find the torque for the L20 which is most important for climbing hills. I suspect it is between 40 and 50 nm when a Cube bike with a Bosch motor has 70 to 80 nm. It is however more than twice the price. It's almost as if Engwe and Ado etc hide the torque figures.
Great review mate, thanks for this. I'm going go car free this year, so I need a do it all bike. My back is a pretzel so the step through option is perfect. Thanks again.
The max speed in the uk is 70mph, if your so determined to force limited speed on ebikes, insurance license etc then you must then consider all cars have limiter fitted to 70mph, after all they are already on HGV PCV and ebikes, its time then to fit them to cars.
The bike could still be limited to 15mph but the regulations need to allow more torque for climbing and a speed limited throttle if they want us out of our cars. The current 250w are not useful enough so sadly i choose any of my three gas guzzlers for most trips
Your reviews are very good. I'd love for you to do one on Engwe's Engine X to see how it compares to this L20 and the Engine Pro. I know I don't want either the 750w EP2 Pro or Engine Pro as I don't want it confiscated and to be fined etc. I'm 16 and a half stone, and need something that's going to get me and some cargo up the steep hills hereabouts. The Engine X is marked as having a 250W motor but it can be unlocked as can its throttle. I'd love to see you put it through your hill test.
Thanks! I think the Engine X is a similar situation to the L20 where it will be faster and more torquey than the motor badge would suggest. So depends on whether you want cargo or folding. I prefer the L20 shape. I still have 2 of their bikes to review I might ask for the X when I'm done.
@@e-VRC According to Engwe the L20 has a maximum instantaneous power of 500w and a torque of 50. The Engine X has a maximum instantaneous power of 800w and a torque of 55.
I was going to go for the Engine X ,,, but this has just changed my mind, the speed combined with the bmx bars I'm converted,,cheers bro excellent vids👍
Thanks for watching 👍 The engine x is a similar situation where a more powerful bike is classified as 250w so is also pretty fast. Just a case of which form factor you prefer. Both are great.
Rear suspension is a must unless you like your spine to be the suspension. Also I just don't have confidence in these bikes from China. The quality issues will eventually show up with no way to get parts. Batteries on these bikes are usually low quality too. I'd get an Ariel Rider Grizzly if they were available in the UK.
I just got mine, and did nowhere near the claimed range of 140km ! False advertisement from ENGWE. I know range can vary from rider and conditions, but I got only 40km out of this bike... and only 25km on max settings...... Very very disappointed... All the rest is pretty good, except some gears jumping but this I'm sure I can adjust... I will be writing a complain to the company, FALSE ADVERTISEMENT by ENGWE! You are right ! CHINA
22mph what's that I can ride a bike nearly at that speed you want 30mph when you need it. Mine does 50mph great it's like being on a motor bike I don't do that speed as battery would go quick normally 34mph even 30 mph is fast people don't realize you can get from a to b in no time all my kit include lights £895 big difference
@@matthewgibbs6705 Trouble is mate…you’ve been lucky…they can absolutely can throw the book at you with £5000 fine and 6 licence points. It has put me off risking it.
This bike has a lot in common to the RadRunner plus. I got the lower model of RadRunner 2 and I love it. The hills in my area that used to give me issues basically have melted away with that ebike. It is properly set to Canada's class 2 specification with a 500w motor and 32kph/20mph limiter on it. Would be nice to have the US limit of 750w but I feel bad where you are you are limited to only 250w. That said with the speed you were getting you clearly were doing more than 250w and it shows. In your own test data it kept up with another 750w bike.
Yeah i think this is there version of the Radrunner basically. I wish all 250w ebikes were done like this. Basically a lot more powerful but limited in speed.
Couldn't get the link to work but purchase an L20 because of your review... Its fantastic and am going to get two more when they are back in stock, cheers.
I do, and still almost get sideswiped by drivers doing 40mph. If the legal limit is good enough for ebikes, why do car manufactures make cars that go 180mph? One rule for car, another rule for bikes..
@@fraserthomson5766ebikes are the only vehicle type that have power AND speed restrictions. You have learner motorcycles as well with power restrictions but they can go above 70 which is as fast as you can ever legally ride so it doesn't matter. The 15mph limit is just awkward and holds up traffic everywhere.
The idea of an e-bike is that it is a bicycle with motor assist. So it should be used in places where one would ride a normal pedal bike. Is it safe to ride a pedal bike in the city? If not then that should be addressed.
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe Then the city council should address that. Increasing the legal speed limit for e-bikes for safety reasons will only benefit those who can afford an e-bike, further increasing the divide between the haves and have-nots.
I never noticed the L20 when I was hunting for a EBike and went for the Engwe Engine X 250 and what a blast and getting my NHS friend to look at this model to get and I love the look of the Olive green and love to get one to match my folded up bike and a side note many thanks for making my mind up on the folding fat tyre bike I bought with your reviews
Glad I helped. I still haven't tried the engine X but from what I gather they're basically the same power and spec wise. I do love a step thru with BMX handlebars though 😊
Probably on the pavement or in a bike lane with most of the other people who use motorised bikes. Is it a lack of physical fitness thing or just cba getting insurance, taking a test and riding a proper motorbike? I suppose ebike users would have to be accountable then and that wouldn't do.
It looks just like the Fiido T1 Pro, which looks just like the Radrunner. The Fiido is better IMO so I bought one - (bigger battery & hydraulic brakes).
Radrunner was one of the first ebikes I ever saw a review about cool bike. For me the Rad and the Fiido definitely look a bit more 'workhorse' and aren't quite as cool looking as the L20.
Just got one the other day and it is so fun to ride, really comfortable and nippy as hell. Only issue i have is when i take the battery off to charge how do I protect the holder that the battery rests in from rain
I think 20mph would be a better limit, there is nothing more frustrating than hitting the brick wall at 15mm h, when you can easily achieve well over 20mph on a normal pedal bike.
Have you tried pedaling? In my 40's I managed to average over 25mph for a 100miles on a bike without assistance. You don't have to break the law or spend a lot of money all you do is get that fat off by training. Oh! And my bike looked cool and I could carry it without giving myself a hernia.
@@peterspowage5752 some younger friends bought emtb’s which are fun in the winter I wouldn’t manage an average of25mph for a long distance but quite often ride 70 +miles at a time on the road bike. Slowing down a bit to enjoy the scenery now I’m well into My 60’s.
This is the bike i want...but the foldability of the PVY just tips it for me. I live in a flat and Im hoping to take it on the train to the coast at some point
I hope you're able to do a review on the Vitilan U7 2.0 which looks very similar to this but with hydraulic brakes and bigger battery and 'possibly (given the l20 is only L20 right ?!) a bigger motor. kind regards and thanks for the great work
The ebike EU/UK law was supposed to be put on 'Borris Bonfire' of EU red tape...... Because Borris being a keen ebike user, knows cycling safely in the city 20 mph zones- its important to be able to keep up with traffic flow @ 20mph , rather than being cut up by buses trucks cars because the EU law is making cycling dangerous @ restricted 15 mph 😑 Problem is the fuzz see you cycling at over 15mph, your new ebike is impounded resulting in a fine 🤦
These bikes need some easy quick way to reset the controller. I' love to ride it unlocked but i don't want it taken of me because it's got too much power not because i'm going too fast. It doesn't take any mistakes by the rider - if you commute the same route over and over people can target you and make complaints. Believe me
On the verge of ordering one for £999 by Klarna. I'm the perfect world I'd get it through the cycle to work schemes instead of Klarna and save about 30% but I personally don't know any suppliers which sell these great models instead of Halfords type ebikes
Don't know what your doing with these bikes but I had a cheap Halfords bike... Prob the cheapest ebike... No suspension, it had a suntour hesc 250w hub motor on the back... I live off a hill at least twice as steep as that one and the suntour rips up the hill at full speed with 50nm of torque... Impressive motors them suntour and the new version has 70nm of torque...
I really like the way the battery easily lifts out of this bike for a change, but i wouldnt swap it for the Engine Pro. I took the rear pannier rack off my bike and it looks even better. It is a nice bike though. I saw one parked right across the road from me whilst i was having a beer. Then a guy about 80 got on it and sped off up the road 😂
Hmm. Looks OK, but after a bit of digging I discovered that (unsurprisingly) they are manufactured in China. This gives me some safety concerns regarding the battery. Are the batteries UN38.3 type tested, for example?
Well to do it you need to turn off the bike, hold the brake and throttle then turn on the bike and keep holding brake and throttle for ten seconds so it depends how good your balance is 😂
Help please,...! Firstly thank you for your fantastic reviews..I'm a 63 year old living near to you in Kinver....so hilly! I'm loving the L20 and wanting one..a discount through your you tube makes it £950 UK pounds from Poland. My question is...Do you think, or do you think they will bring a PRO version with Hydraulic Breaks? As much better for my arthritic fingers... This bike would be lovely for me to get out for picnics by the river. And shopping over to Stourbridge along the canal.. My current 250w Halfords citi folding is just not upto long journeys..and a pain up hills. Be lovely to hear from you... Take care Jim
Ooh good question. I can ask them. I asked the same question about m20 pro and they said no plans. I'd say check out the one in my latest video but i bet you like the look of the step through.
Speed: With throttle - up to 15.5km/h (and up to 750W) With pedalling - limited to 250W but no speed restriction. This are best of both worlds: - if pedalling - 250W is more than enough to support - With throttle - extra kick to head start, preventing teenagers to crash and die, when runaway from Police ;)
I dont believe the motor rating on this one, particularly with it being 48 Volts. But I think iits the right sort of bike to get people out of their SUV's and it needs legislation to make it legal, which im sure if you break it down.
I think you might be right 😉 it's nice that if it comes throttle disabled and speed limited though it will still get you up hills and no one will get into trouble.
250 is about what I produce as a cyclist. On a racer that equates to about 21 miles inone hour on a flat course. I suspect that this bike is producing more than 250 given the non aero position and extra weight
And of course you’re a fittie…prolly 80Kg wet through and have muscular legs from years of cycling….I’d not deny you an e-bike, but you don’t NEED it to enjoy cycling right? WHEREAS, old, unfit, obese and damaged folk need a lot more than 250w to get up a hill. 500w minimum…OR does Government and the cycling lobby admit they don’t want old, unfit fatties enjoying riding. I could buy a petrol moped, but I can’t afford £300+ a year to insure a summer recreational bike and I don’t want the noise/smell/ cost of operation.
20mph/32km/hr is a good compromise of speed and safety, for a regular bike. 40-odd km/hr is about as fast as I like to go on the shoulder of the road under good conditions, things start getting too sketchy by 50km/h, unless I'm well and truly on the road -- and then I have to deal with traffic. Most bike paths around here aren't designed for going over 32km/h, if that. If I had to choose, I'd take torque over top speed any day, as I'm constantly slowing down and speeding back up, or having to climb hills, so torque is king for every day use.
Nice looking bike, especially in green. However you're too good a salesman - these things are sold out in the US and even in the UK & EU looks like they are down to 1 color for a bit.
This video shows you that it's very easy to change speed limit. If you want to enable the throttle function, there's an easy to find video on that too.... th-cam.com/video/Bd2wmjwQVyE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9UhV48yxQXkAcnB4
I used to have a Raleigh Wildcat and a Raleigh Vektar in Black as a kid that I subbed Streethawk and even had custom sticker placed saying Streethawk lol, I would have loved this electric battery on that. In fact I think somebody needs to turn them into E-Bikes they would be epic.
They are so cool! You know I was having a similar thought not long ago. We used to call them 'computer bikes' and most had the sound module on the handlebars. They would be so cool as electric bikes.
The legal ebike assist limit should be that which is on the signs for the road you're on, so people don't have to overtake you. The most dangerous manoeuvre is overtaking. 250w isn't enough to reach higher speeds so that should be raised to 1kw or more.
The wattage limit should be dropped completely and replaced with an acceleration limit anyway. To make it fair for larger people and to allow hill climbing. Such acceleration limit should be high enough to make roundabout emerges safe and no more.
@@MrWibbleman I'm all for license plates for all bikes and mandatory insurance. Not limited to ebikes. What I'm against is having a separate bike license when I have a car license. I have proved I know the rules of the road, a CBT should cover me for riding any bike I want but it doesn't.
@@burgersnchips yep licencing and insurance would be great for all road users along with some kind of formal training. Doubt it will happen and anyway at least in Ireland no one would bother and police would not ensure the law was complied with
I don't have a reference in front of me but there was a DoT variation that permitted throttle control. Downside is that a dealer has to take the bike to an MOT station to get it certified as legal. I was quoted £250 on top of a new bike cost for a test certificate. IF I could do it myself .. £55. Bureaucratic nonsense killed it stone dead for me.
True 250W gives you tru 25km/h on flat, climbs hills with your help 8km/h . 40km/h requires 1000W on flat can go 25km/h up hill , go faster if you lift up rear wheel.
Great review mate!! What do you think of pedaling? Did you ghost pedal a lot or you could actually feel you were pushing something? I find that ghost pedaling gives a bit stupid feeling and afraid of that..
You can definitely help. When i got to 29/29 mph i was definitely helping. Cruising at 25 you don't have to help but you can always knock it down a level and help it out. I don't mind ghost pedalling I just need to remind myself I don't need to be whizzing around real fast. Thanks for watching 👍👍
Thanks for the answer mate. So it didn't give a 'stupid feeling' most of the time for you..at least resistance of SOMETHING was present even on low speeds.
My ENGWE T14 seems to have the same power train setup but no derailleur, it will carry me up fairly shallow hills 10% after which it is possible to pedal or you walk, 'pedal assist' while it is there isn't really possible at most normal (up to 15 mph) cruising speeds, what is needed is a choice of gears for the motor not the peddler.
I was thinking this myself about the way the battery fits in. I've had one for a while but no chance to review. I'll be doing a review/range test in the coming weeks so that'll be interesting.... any issues getting your battery to fit properly? The one I have doesn't fit perfectly with the locking mechanism.
@@e-VRC no my battery slides in neatly, I bought this folder because I can take it on train journeys, however the bus companies are becoming wary of e bikes because of fear of the batteries. Great Western trains has banned e scooters but not e bikes. I have thought of buying a spare battery in order to extend range, I saw someone's homemade type bike which was clearly fitted with two batteries.
@pcka12 it's a tidy looking bike tbf. I want to do a road trip with the t15, dyu d3f and dyu s2. It seems more usable than those 2 too. I wonder if you could just replace it with a 20ah one or something. I noticed it's a 48v battery too 💪😂
@@e-VRC yes, I felt I recognised the same components, of course the T14 has smaller wheels, but for a thing that folds up easily & under £500 from Bangood when I bought it seemed an ideal way for me to test the waters of e bikes. As supplied you bang your knees on the handlebars so I have fitted a handlebar extender which moves the crossbar up & a bit forward. The thing is essentially a mini bike like the old Honda mopeds. I was introduced to an electric folding Brompton which made me jealous of everything but the price!
Great review and if I hadn't bought the engine pro, which I love I would get the L20 the pink one of course, keep up the good work and I look forward to the next video, and I think the ebike speed should be increased to 20 and a throttle should be allowed its dangerous without...also if you have any recommendations for 20 by 4 tyres for my engine pro I would appreciate the advice thanks
I know I’m a Year late to the party. But after just buying my first e-bike 15.5mph is not fast enough realistically 20mph would be fine but it needs to have a bigger motor to get 20mph up a decent hill but it what it is.
Great video .up to seeing the L20 i was on verge of buying the EP 2 .can u advise pls which u think is best ?? And is tickling the L20 throttle a simple enough job ? Cheers mate
Cheers! It is mega easy yeah, there's a video on their site. Annoyingly there's not much L20 stock at the moment. The ep2 pro is great but I prefer the L20.
I have the ep-2 - I'd weigh up how much you really need the folding feature as it kinda messes with the geometry of the bike - a bit narrow/wobbly/funny handlebar angle, and it's pretty heavy. looking at this L20 I'd happily have bought it instead of the ep2 - i like the front rack and green colour more
Being forced to drive with the key on the battery is not very judicious : a false movement and here is the broken key flush with the barrel! We look stupid after.
How does it do getting up kerbs? Does the low build mean it catches? Does it have a decent walk assist so I can wheel it up a step into the house? If pedal assist is so slow, how does that work on a hill start?
Should bounce up kerbs no problem. Yeah hold down for wall assist. There's always the throttle on hill start but if not using it just remember to be in gear 1 when you come to a stop 👍
What’s the range on this thing on max PSA with some throttle given it wise about as much as the engine pro and doesn’t look at being very skinny any rough estimate of range and relatively flat streets? Still think it’s way overpriced for what it is? Was thinking about it because you’re less likely to get pulled over on this, I suppose, but I think they just want you to buy the 16 amp battery to be honest, but with the 13 amp any rough estimate of a range
My e-bike cuts out at 37mph but there are always people overtaking me an stuff, I don’t see why I can’t have it as fast is possible, it is a single person vehicle that’s lightweight so has no wear and tear on the road so shouldn’t pay for the use of a road, the pedals will keep it a bike and not a motorbike so if you scuff a car then the insurance is normally always covered via no claims maintained, the only accidents I’ve seen is when people go after them like they are on a motorbike and cause an accident, they have so many safety features it makes it safer than a normal cycle bike no doubt, would you rather someone throwing themselves fully into a bike to get 30mph and is more at risk of an accident he’s so occupied, or would you rather see someone 30-40mph sitting totally relaxed and I’m control of the bike fully? It’s a no brainer, they are safer, they are eco friendly, bringing in laws to restrict the use of these will backfire and show the government’s hypocrisy, stating it wants more people to take up green energy or low carbon emissions, I have zero carbon emissions, I live in Scotland, we use no fossil fuel where I am
They must have a maximum power output of 4 kW and a maximum speed of 28 mph. If they exceed these limits, they are classified as mopeds or motorcycles, and riders must comply with the relevant regulations.
What do you think about step through ebikes? I'm sold! Links to reviews of other Engwe bikes are in the description.
There is a stigma associated with step through bikes, it’s basically associated with being a girls bike but personally I couldn’t care less.
Yeah I like the M20 Pro and I'm thinking of a dual battery job the upgrade controller, motors brakes, suspension etcbut I'm a crossbar kinda guy, it helps to stretch a bit lol.
@@goingoutotheparty1 haha yeah the L20 is the easy life 😂
I have a several bikes a step through e bike being one of them each bike is slightly different ride posture and feel but all are fun
@@matthewgibbs6705 one for each occasion 👍👍
it probably is a 250watt motor, but its also probably a 36 volt motor with a 48 volt controller and battery, that would make it go alot faster, but still keeps it legal, you will just burn out the motor faster
I own the M20 and my wife has the L20. Your numbers are similar to what our American 750 watt bikes do. They have been impressing me on a daily basis. They do well off road and on hill climbs. They are well built machines
Glad you're enjoying them. So cool that you enjoy them together 👍👍
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Which one is better for hilly routes?
After researching we got my wife the e26 to follow me around on my Freego F1 pro and the Engwe is a horse. Great bang for buck
You can have the Throttle activated as long as it doesn't propel you faster than 3.7 mph! I was just reading all the stuff last night for my new one and come across the part about the 3.7 mph legal Throttle use! You can use it if you are older n have disabilities trying to put the power down to set off
That is actually a 48v bike with an 18amp controller that peaks at 960 watts and is rated at 750 watts continuous. In the USA this bike is technically illegal as it goes over 20mph by throttle alone. How could it be otherwise, the thing goes 25mph and flys uphill. If I were in the UK, I’d buy one in a second!! I live in the US and bought the class 2 Wired freedom (60v 2000 watts, 40mph when it is unlocked). Nice to have the power and speed if you need it.
Yeah it's good that it can be classed as 250w as plausible deniability is a beautiful thing 😂
I wish there was a way to get the wired freedom shipped here to the UK. I'd get one instantly.
@@e-VRC
As all governments know!😉🤫
Yup, except it's legal in good ole Florida. We regulate speed not wattage.
@@FloridaEbikes this is how it should be 👌👍
The real motor power of this bike is 500 watts (both eu and us models rebranded as 250/750 same exact engine )wich paired with the 48v makes it really a good combo.
Is that the actual specs of the motor ?
The front light on the L20 can also be mounted on the fork brace using the front mudguard bolt
I do think the speed limit in the uk should be at least 20/25mph depending on the rider, but that's me that olso depends where I'm riding
Some parts of America remind me so much of the UK 😜
Excellent 250 w e-bike 😜 , very similar to the FIIDO T1 but that’s has a 20AH battery .
my t1 has 2x 24ah batterys and bac 855 controller 😊
By the sound the bike is making I would say it is a planetary geared motor which gives more torque than a basic hub motor and this can be up to 3 times greater.
Showing better performance on hills. Planetary geared motors will need maintenance before a hub motor. There is always a sacrifice for basic power.
What sort of maintenance, Brian, my friend?😊
That was not only a great review but an enjoyable watch too. Thank you.
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@@liammalarky3483 sorry I'm late. Thanks for watching 👍🏽
Can you please tell me, where to clear the 'Trip-Counter' in the display ??? It always shows the value of the whole driven distance ?!?
I love a utiltarian e-bike especailly as things like aero and weight become less important. Assist speed of 15.5 is fine for me it's about 60% of my non assisted speed and I usually cruise about 16mph analgoue so for me it's about eliminating the hills and allowing me to not question adventures and taking stuff to work. 20mph just causes too much strain on my compenents and it stops becoming an assist and just becomes the primary power of motion which feels disengaged and defeates the point of being on the bike for me.
Very true!
EXCELLENT review. Loved watching it, Definitely swaying me to e-bikes.
(If the seat was a little bit higher your knees will hurt less?)
Thanks very much. Yeah I definitely have my seat too low. Welcome to the wonderful world of ebikes 😊
I've just bought a wolf in sheep's clothing tricycle three seater that does an eye watering 33pmh, 80 miles on a single charge 48v 30ah lithium battery, equipped with quadruple rear suspension creating anti tipping, can climb 30%+ gradients, grandma loves it for doing her Iceland shop 😁
I want it lol
Hi Dave sounds pretty great e-trike that can do 33mph is sufficient enough to handle the day - night life routine.
Bet your grandma loves it going down for the shop, where did you get yours?? as my mom who is old less fortunate needs one.
What tricycle is it though?
@@insistentmind498Dave is on the wind up me finks lol
@@mikehunt1528 Lmao possible
Looked at loads of reviews of ebikes. Im 61 with a bit of arthritis. Your review was great. Sandy Lane done it for me. Love it to bits as does my housemate. Loads of people ask about it.Thx for the £50 code too. Keep up the good work.
What a superb video! I used your code and bought one as a result :)
On a normal MTB i pedal to 35 km/h, and my current e-MTB cuts off at 25 km/h and then e-brakes to slow me down when i go over. So i think 30-35 km/h should be standard/top for e bikes, not 25 km/h which is slower than i would ride with no motor on it.
I think the Uk limit should be raised to 20mph and a throttle allowed... But i doubt it will ever happen.
We can hope 🤞🤞
Agreed, it'll be a cold day in hell before they bother looking into their 4th 100,00 signature petition.
It's a ridiculous law. My folding road bike can hit 22mph without much trouble. And I've been on a 16lb carbon road bike that hit 33MPH. This 15.5mph law makes no sense..
@@fender1000100 its to keep the scared curtain twitching daily mail readers voting tory, they think all ebikes and scooters are ridden by 14yr old gangsters whilst vaping
It'll never encourage car drivers to switch over to a "green" transport that does half the urban speed limit.
It's silly cos I'm 54 and can maintain 20-22mph on legs all day. Even got stopped in my youth for doing 37mph downhill, in a 30 zone.
I would just like to thank you i saw this video a year ago when i was looking for a good ebike for the uk. Bit abit pricey for me after a year its my birthday i have enough looked at current videos and the reviews are still great so you were spot on! Get mine next week!!!
Yea, they do need to look at this, power and ability to get up hills with larger folks on and equipment etc puts the base 250w bikes with the dinosaurs, we need at least 500 and throttles to make these bikes easier and safer to use
Totally with you on this. No reason all bikes can't be 1000w but limited. They don't have to accelerate crazily either as some people think they must if they're that powerful.
It's very hard to find the torque for the L20 which is most important for climbing hills. I suspect it is between 40 and 50 nm when a Cube bike with a Bosch motor has 70 to 80 nm. It is however more than twice the price. It's almost as if Engwe and Ado etc hide the torque figures.
@@MikeBrown-dk7or According to Engwe the torque of the L20 is 50 nm.
@@PHOT0GUY And will only climb 10 deg
what's the most powerful foldable bike you would recommend?
Probably the Pvy z20 plus 1000 but there is a z20 Max coming soon.
Great review mate, thanks for this. I'm going go car free this year, so I need a do it all bike. My back is a pretzel so the step through option is perfect. Thanks again.
Cheers glad it helped 👍 good luck with ebike life 🤟
The max speed in the uk is 70mph, if your so determined to force limited speed on ebikes, insurance license etc then you must then consider all cars have limiter fitted to 70mph, after all they are already on HGV PCV and ebikes, its time then to fit them to cars.
The bike could still be limited to 15mph but the regulations need to allow more torque for climbing and a speed limited throttle if they want us out of our cars. The current 250w are not useful enough so sadly i choose any of my three gas guzzlers for most trips
they probably don't want them "useful". everything is a scam. people who are in charge for all of this are flying private jets
Thats what they want. Everyone on powerful ebikes would be less tax money and less oil use.
What is the price?
Your reviews are very good. I'd love for you to do one on Engwe's Engine X to see how it compares to this L20 and the Engine Pro. I know I don't want either the 750w EP2 Pro or Engine Pro as I don't want it confiscated and to be fined etc. I'm 16 and a half stone, and need something that's going to get me and some cargo up the steep hills hereabouts. The Engine X is marked as having a 250W motor but it can be unlocked as can its throttle. I'd love to see you put it through your hill test.
The engine x is the same as the ep-2 pro basically. The engine pro is the bike you want if you are trying to get a lot of weight up a steep hill.
Thanks! I think the Engine X is a similar situation to the L20 where it will be faster and more torquey than the motor badge would suggest. So depends on whether you want cargo or folding. I prefer the L20 shape.
I still have 2 of their bikes to review I might ask for the X when I'm done.
@@e-VRC According to Engwe the L20 has a maximum instantaneous power of 500w and a torque of 50. The Engine X has a maximum instantaneous power of 800w and a torque of 55.
I love a step thru bike, especially if youre a man of a certain age and adility!!
Definitely handy for that. But I love the casual-ness (real word?) If a step thru.
I was going to go for the Engine X ,,, but this has just changed my mind, the speed combined with the bmx bars I'm converted,,cheers bro excellent vids👍
Thanks for watching 👍 The engine x is a similar situation where a more powerful bike is classified as 250w so is also pretty fast. Just a case of which form factor you prefer. Both are great.
@@e-VRCi have Engwe x26 1370 watts 😃
@56679076 how long does sport mode last for on your bike? Does it lock you out of sport mode after being used for a certain amount of time?
@@e-VRC max speed 50km/h, last time with main battarey 27km and 40% left after ride
You can use cruise mode, you need to hold booster aprox. 8 seconds to get it on 😃
Rear suspension is a must unless you like your spine to be the suspension. Also I just don't have confidence in these bikes from China. The quality issues will eventually show up with no way to get parts. Batteries on these bikes are usually low quality too. I'd get an Ariel Rider Grizzly if they were available in the UK.
I just got mine, and did nowhere near the claimed range of 140km ! False advertisement from ENGWE. I know range can vary from rider and conditions, but I got only 40km out of this bike... and only 25km on max settings...... Very very disappointed... All the rest is pretty good, except some gears jumping but this I'm sure I can adjust... I will be writing a complain to the company, FALSE ADVERTISEMENT by ENGWE! You are right ! CHINA
That's a nice bike but I doubt it could negotiate the hills where I live in Cornwall ? I think I would need something designed for off road.
This would be absolutely fine. I live in the lake district and ebikes smash the hills here and the hills are big
I think the uk limit should be 22 mph with throttle and maybe 500 Watts
22mph what's that I can ride a bike nearly at that speed you want 30mph when you need it. Mine does 50mph great it's like being on a motor bike I don't do that speed as battery would go quick normally 34mph even 30 mph is fast people don't realize you can get from a to b in no time all my kit include lights £895 big difference
I don't really think I matters to much as people will always unlock them to go faster
What a clown world when a normal street bike can pass you at 40+ km.
I have a few e.bikes the slowest one does 15.5 and the quicker one does 28+ and have never had any problems with the police
@@matthewgibbs6705 Trouble is mate…you’ve been lucky…they can absolutely can throw the book at you with £5000 fine and 6 licence points. It has put me off risking it.
Saving this for my dinner time today
How was dinner
I’m happy riding mine at 25mph max speed on open road. 10-15mph on sidewalks to avoid automobile traffic…
those handlebars on the my engine pro would look great
Agreed
Are there any plans to review the LE20 cargo ebike that looks amazing deal with two batteries and middrive motor
@@kennethhutchinson5052 hopefully, I'll look into it 👍👍
This bike has a lot in common to the RadRunner plus. I got the lower model of RadRunner 2 and I love it. The hills in my area that used to give me issues basically have melted away with that ebike. It is properly set to Canada's class 2 specification with a 500w motor and 32kph/20mph limiter on it. Would be nice to have the US limit of 750w but I feel bad where you are you are limited to only 250w. That said with the speed you were getting you clearly were doing more than 250w and it shows. In your own test data it kept up with another 750w bike.
Yeah i think this is there version of the Radrunner basically. I wish all 250w ebikes were done like this. Basically a lot more powerful but limited in speed.
Correct, the website (now) also mentions the 750w motor
Couldn't get the link to work but purchase an L20 because of your review... Its fantastic and am going to get two more when they are back in stock, cheers.
Nice one. Yeah it's great. Thanks for the heads up about the link I'll check that out 👍
20mph limit would be so much safer as then you could travel same speed as cars in the city.
I do, and still almost get sideswiped by drivers doing 40mph. If the legal limit is good enough for ebikes, why do car manufactures make cars that go 180mph? One rule for car, another rule for bikes..
@@fraserthomson5766ebikes are the only vehicle type that have power AND speed restrictions. You have learner motorcycles as well with power restrictions but they can go above 70 which is as fast as you can ever legally ride so it doesn't matter. The 15mph limit is just awkward and holds up traffic everywhere.
The idea of an e-bike is that it is a bicycle with motor assist. So it should be used in places where one would ride a normal pedal bike. Is it safe to ride a pedal bike in the city? If not then that should be addressed.
@@HenriZwols usually no, it's not safe in the city on a bike.
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe Then the city council should address that. Increasing the legal speed limit for e-bikes for safety reasons will only benefit those who can afford an e-bike, further increasing the divide between the haves and have-nots.
I never noticed the L20 when I was hunting for a EBike and went for the Engwe Engine X 250 and what a blast and getting my NHS friend to look at this model to get and I love the look of the Olive green and love to get one to match my folded up bike and a side note many thanks for making my mind up on the folding fat tyre bike I bought with your reviews
Glad I helped. I still haven't tried the engine X but from what I gather they're basically the same power and spec wise. I do love a step thru with BMX handlebars though 😊
@@e-VRC when you did the folding EP2 Pro and the engine pro set up did it and big respect for doing it in the rain
Probably on the pavement or in a bike lane with most of the other people who use motorised bikes. Is it a lack of physical fitness thing or just cba getting insurance, taking a test and riding a proper motorbike? I suppose ebike users would have to be accountable then and that wouldn't do.
How can it be powering you over 20mph when by law assist supposed to cut out at 15mph this must be illegal.
Everything is illegal wake up
Jobsworth
It looks just like the Fiido T1 Pro, which looks just like the Radrunner.
The Fiido is better IMO so I bought one - (bigger battery & hydraulic brakes).
Radrunner was one of the first ebikes I ever saw a review about cool bike. For me the Rad and the Fiido definitely look a bit more 'workhorse' and aren't quite as cool looking as the L20.
Great up load as normal mate👌👌
Cheers!
Just got one the other day and it is so fun to ride, really comfortable and nippy as hell. Only issue i have is when i take the battery off to charge how do I protect the holder that the battery rests in from rain
Does the front basket come off or is it fixed
I would say put it upto 20mph but no more than that.
20mph is a good speed 👍
Most people who have used an ebike would agree with that, but the ignorant masses who have never used an ebike will ruin things as usual.
I think 20mph would be a better limit, there is nothing more frustrating than hitting the brick wall at 15mm h, when you can easily achieve well over 20mph on a normal pedal bike.
Have you tried pedaling? In my 40's I managed to average over 25mph for a 100miles on a bike without assistance. You don't have to break the law or spend a lot of money all you do is get that fat off by training. Oh! And my bike looked cool and I could carry it without giving myself a hernia.
@@peterspowage5752 some younger friends bought emtb’s which are fun in the winter I wouldn’t manage an average of25mph for a long distance but quite often ride 70 +miles at a time on the road bike. Slowing down a bit to enjoy the scenery now I’m well into My 60’s.
This is the bike i want...but the foldability of the PVY just tips it for me.
I live in a flat and Im hoping to take it on the train to the coast at some point
On the U.S. website it says it’s 750w with 960w peak power.
At least they seem to know a bit more about power than the UK.
At the price, it should be 16 A, I wonder if you could put on 3 inch road tires on the wheels?
I'm new to the channel and looking to buy my first ebike , this is definitely a bike I could see myself riding
Welcome aboard! Yeah it's very nice, practical and looks decent 👍
I hope you're able to do a review on the Vitilan U7 2.0 which looks very similar to this but with hydraulic brakes and bigger battery and 'possibly (given the l20 is only L20 right ?!) a bigger motor. kind regards and thanks for the great work
The ebike EU/UK law was supposed to be put on
'Borris Bonfire'
of EU red tape......
Because Borris being a keen ebike user, knows cycling safely in the city 20 mph zones- its important to be able to keep up with traffic flow @ 20mph , rather than being cut up by buses trucks cars because the EU law is making cycling dangerous @ restricted 15 mph 😑
Problem is the fuzz see you cycling at over 15mph, your new ebike is impounded resulting in a fine 🤦
These bikes need some easy quick way to reset the controller. I' love to ride it unlocked but i don't want it taken of me because it's got too much power not because i'm going too fast. It doesn't take any mistakes by the rider - if you commute the same route over and over people can target you and make complaints. Believe me
Yes! I've been saying this. Like a panic mode, hold down 3 buttons.
If you keep it limited to 17 you'll still have the power an 17 isn't too bad you'll get away with that. Then throttle can be turned off pretty fast.
On the verge of ordering one for £999 by Klarna. I'm the perfect world I'd get it through the cycle to work schemes instead of Klarna and save about 30% but I personally don't know any suppliers which sell these great models instead of Halfords type ebikes
Don't know what your doing with these bikes but I had a cheap Halfords bike... Prob the cheapest ebike... No suspension, it had a suntour hesc 250w hub motor on the back... I live off a hill at least twice as steep as that one and the suntour rips up the hill at full speed with 50nm of torque... Impressive motors them suntour and the new version has 70nm of torque...
Engwe is making amazing bikes.
As regards your braking ... you might want to adjust the Front / Rear bias
Brilliant review.. just bought one.. I am having trouble lifting the limited speed.
Please advise
@@MrTonka1972 what have you tried so far?
This one looks really good. Might wait for some of those upgrades though.
I'm waiting to see if an upgraded one available with hydrologic breaks otherwise would get someone to do the job for me.
I really like the way the battery easily lifts out of this bike for a change, but i wouldnt swap it for the Engine Pro. I took the rear pannier rack off my bike and it looks even better. It is a nice bike though. I saw one parked right across the road from me whilst i was having a beer. Then a guy about 80 got on it and sped off up the road 😂
Haha nice. Bet he likes having a step thru.
you sure that wasn't @TonyCSmith ?😂
@@h4y4shi89what ?
Hmm. Looks OK, but after a bit of digging I discovered that (unsurprisingly) they are manufactured in China. This gives me some safety concerns regarding the battery. Are the batteries UN38.3 type tested, for example?
When chargingI sit the charger and battery in a metal wok under the fire alarm just in case lol
Nice review, thanks. Is it possible to turn off/deactivate the throttle whilst riding, or do you need to stop and get off the bike?
Well to do it you need to turn off the bike, hold the brake and throttle then turn on the bike and keep holding brake and throttle for ten seconds so it depends how good your balance is 😂
@@e-VRC Understood, thanks for the reply
@@843thebear 👍👍
I'm 52 riding 100-200 kilometers per week on my mountain bike on all sorts of terrain, I really hope I never need an ebike but this does look fun.
Awesome! Maybe if you ever need a little push like a coffee in the morning 😂👍
No matter what age you are, ebikes are more fun than push bikes.
Your first person to assemble properly 👌
@@nickocallaghan725 really what did I do different?
Help please,...! Firstly thank you for your fantastic reviews..I'm a 63 year old living near to you in Kinver....so hilly! I'm loving the L20 and wanting one..a discount through your you tube makes it £950 UK pounds from Poland.
My question is...Do you think, or do you think they will bring a PRO version with Hydraulic Breaks? As much better for my arthritic fingers...
This bike would be lovely for me to get out for picnics by the river. And shopping over to Stourbridge along the canal..
My current 250w Halfords citi folding is just not upto long journeys..and a pain up hills.
Be lovely to hear from you...
Take care Jim
Ooh good question. I can ask them. I asked the same question about m20 pro and they said no plans. I'd say check out the one in my latest video but i bet you like the look of the step through.
You guys got it rough over there. I just finished converting my mongoose fat tire bike into a 5000w monster.
Nice where is that?
How can it be legal if it has a throttle? I have the EP2 Pro. I was told it can’t even have one attached even if it’s not connected. Great video btw
Thanks for watching. Who told you that? If the thumb lever/twisty handle doesn't throttle anything it is no longer a throttle. Just a twisty handle 😂
Same bike, I feel if they can catch me they can give me a ticket. However if stopped by cycle police, I'm just gonna outrun them.
Make sure you film it. Killer content 🤟🤟👏👏👍
The law is it can't go over 3.7mph under throttle use.
@@Destide insane
Speed:
With throttle - up to 15.5km/h (and up to 750W)
With pedalling - limited to 250W but no speed restriction.
This are best of both worlds:
- if pedalling - 250W is more than enough to support
- With throttle - extra kick to head start, preventing teenagers to crash and die, when runaway from Police ;)
If you keep it legal and not have the throttle - can it be manually peddled beyond 15mph ok? Down hill I assume it would go more
I dont believe the motor rating on this one, particularly with it being 48 Volts. But I think iits the right sort of bike to get people out of their SUV's and it needs legislation to make it legal, which im sure if you break it down.
I think you might be right 😉 it's nice that if it comes throttle disabled and speed limited though it will still get you up hills and no one will get into trouble.
and can you do the Fiido T1 Pro 750w the new one not the old one
250 is about what I produce as a cyclist. On a racer that equates to about 21 miles inone hour on a flat course. I suspect that this bike is producing more than 250 given the non aero position and extra weight
You suspect correct 😉
And of course you’re a fittie…prolly 80Kg wet through and have muscular legs from years of cycling….I’d not deny you an e-bike, but you don’t NEED it to enjoy cycling right? WHEREAS, old, unfit, obese and damaged folk need a lot more than 250w to get up a hill. 500w minimum…OR does Government and the cycling lobby admit they don’t want old, unfit fatties enjoying riding. I could buy a petrol moped, but I can’t afford £300+ a year to insure a summer recreational bike and I don’t want the noise/smell/ cost of operation.
20mph/32km/hr is a good compromise of speed and safety, for a regular bike. 40-odd km/hr is about as fast as I like to go on the shoulder of the road under good conditions, things start getting too sketchy by 50km/h, unless I'm well and truly on the road -- and then I have to deal with traffic. Most bike paths around here aren't designed for going over 32km/h, if that. If I had to choose, I'd take torque over top speed any day, as I'm constantly slowing down and speeding back up, or having to climb hills, so torque is king for every day use.
I think I agree with all of that 👍👍
Love your vids. Have you thought about reviewing RKS brand ebikes from Turkey? RSIV pro in particular.
DO NOT BUY THESE BICYCLES...THIS BICYCLE IS TOTALLY ILLEGAL...THE POLICE IS SEIZING IT IN THE UK
I wonder what the IP rating is for the battery as in the review it was raining so there must be some weather protection scenes it is exposed
I wonder if you installed hydraulic brakes with the levers that come with the kits would it affect the brake light?
Nice looking bike, especially in green. However you're too good a salesman - these things are sold out in the US and even in the UK & EU looks like they are down to 1 color for a bit.
Very informative video. Sold it to me.
So if I was to purchase and move 😉 to the USA. How would one go about unlocking the throttle etc
This video shows you that it's very easy to change speed limit. If you want to enable the throttle function, there's an easy to find video on that too....
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Do you think you could put on 3 inch tires on these bike wheels for agility around town?
I used to have a Raleigh Wildcat and a Raleigh Vektar in Black as a kid that I subbed Streethawk and even had custom sticker placed saying Streethawk lol, I would have loved this electric battery on that. In fact I think somebody needs to turn them into E-Bikes they would be epic.
They are so cool! You know I was having a similar thought not long ago. We used to call them 'computer bikes' and most had the sound module on the handlebars. They would be so cool as electric bikes.
I've just started looking into these ebikes, this one looks great.
The legal ebike assist limit should be that which is on the signs for the road you're on, so people don't have to overtake you. The most dangerous manoeuvre is overtaking. 250w isn't enough to reach higher speeds so that should be raised to 1kw or more.
The wattage limit should be dropped completely and replaced with an acceleration limit anyway. To make it fair for larger people and to allow hill climbing. Such acceleration limit should be high enough to make roundabout emerges safe and no more.
@@burgersnchips totally agree 👍
so you want an electric motorbike without the insurance / responsibility etc..
@@MrWibbleman I'm all for license plates for all bikes and mandatory insurance. Not limited to ebikes. What I'm against is having a separate bike license when I have a car license. I have proved I know the rules of the road, a CBT should cover me for riding any bike I want but it doesn't.
@@burgersnchips yep licencing and insurance would be great for all road users along with some kind of formal training. Doubt it will happen and anyway at least in Ireland no one would bother and police would not ensure the law was complied with
I don't have a reference in front of me but there was a DoT variation that permitted throttle control. Downside is that a dealer has to take the bike to an MOT station to get it certified as legal. I was quoted £250 on top of a new bike cost for a test certificate. IF I could do it myself .. £55. Bureaucratic nonsense killed it stone dead for me.
Would be good if you tried big game bike and compare to all the others?????
Hi thank you for the video how do you think it would be for the beach saltwater and sand ? FISHING
fallen in love with the L20, excellent review very in-depth and honest --- where can I get one from?
Thanks! Good question. They seem to be sold out right now 😢
@@e-VRC😢😢😤
True 250W gives you tru 25km/h on flat, climbs hills with your help 8km/h . 40km/h requires 1000W on flat can go 25km/h up hill , go faster if you lift up rear wheel.
Great review mate!!
What do you think of pedaling? Did you ghost pedal a lot or you could actually feel you were pushing something?
I find that ghost pedaling gives a bit stupid feeling and afraid of that..
You can definitely help. When i got to 29/29 mph i was definitely helping. Cruising at 25 you don't have to help but you can always knock it down a level and help it out. I don't mind ghost pedalling I just need to remind myself I don't need to be whizzing around real fast. Thanks for watching 👍👍
Thanks for the answer mate.
So it didn't give a 'stupid feeling' most of the time for you..at least resistance of SOMETHING was present even on low speeds.
@iakobkv271 yeah it's a case of being able to choose to or choose not to.
My ENGWE T14 seems to have the same power train setup but no derailleur, it will carry me up fairly shallow hills 10% after which it is possible to pedal or you walk, 'pedal assist' while it is there isn't really possible at most normal (up to 15 mph) cruising speeds, what is needed is a choice of gears for the motor not the peddler.
I was thinking this myself about the way the battery fits in. I've had one for a while but no chance to review. I'll be doing a review/range test in the coming weeks so that'll be interesting.... any issues getting your battery to fit properly? The one I have doesn't fit perfectly with the locking mechanism.
@@e-VRC no my battery slides in neatly, I bought this folder because I can take it on train journeys, however the bus companies are becoming wary of e bikes because of fear of the batteries. Great Western trains has banned e scooters but not e bikes.
I have thought of buying a spare battery in order to extend range, I saw someone's homemade type bike which was clearly fitted with two batteries.
@pcka12 it's a tidy looking bike tbf. I want to do a road trip with the t15, dyu d3f and dyu s2. It seems more usable than those 2 too. I wonder if you could just replace it with a 20ah one or something. I noticed it's a 48v battery too 💪😂
@@e-VRC yes, I felt I recognised the same components, of course the T14 has smaller wheels, but for a thing that folds up easily & under £500 from Bangood when I bought it seemed an ideal way for me to test the waters of e bikes.
As supplied you bang your knees on the handlebars so I have fitted a handlebar extender which moves the crossbar up & a bit forward.
The thing is essentially a mini bike like the old Honda mopeds. I was introduced to an electric folding Brompton which made me jealous of everything but the price!
Great review and if I hadn't bought the engine pro, which I love I would get the L20 the pink one of course, keep up the good work and I look forward to the next video, and I think the ebike speed should be increased to 20 and a throttle should be allowed its dangerous without...also if you have any recommendations for 20 by 4 tyres for my engine pro I would appreciate the advice thanks
Thanks! (Sorry i missed this) haha I'd love the pink one... you got a burst tyre?
I know I’m a Year late to the party. But after just buying my first e-bike 15.5mph is not fast enough realistically 20mph would be fine but it needs to have a bigger motor to get 20mph up a decent hill but it what it is.
Great video .up to seeing the L20 i was on verge of buying the EP 2 .can u advise pls which u think is best ?? And is tickling the L20 throttle a simple enough job ? Cheers mate
Cheers! It is mega easy yeah, there's a video on their site. Annoyingly there's not much L20 stock at the moment. The ep2 pro is great but I prefer the L20.
I have the ep-2 - I'd weigh up how much you really need the folding feature as it kinda messes with the geometry of the bike - a bit narrow/wobbly/funny handlebar angle, and it's pretty heavy. looking at this L20 I'd happily have bought it instead of the ep2 - i like the front rack and green colour more
Great review.
Its 750w 1000w boost bafang style motor imo
Being forced to drive with the key on the battery is not very judicious : a false movement and here is the broken key flush with the barrel! We look stupid after.
It is in a dumbass place and im sure one day im going to forget and break it lifting it over a stile
Which would you choose between the Fiido Titan or Engwe L20 for daily commute to work? I have some steep hills on my route.
How do you feel about the bike 6 months on ? Any problems ?
How does it do getting up kerbs? Does the low build mean it catches? Does it have a decent walk assist so I can wheel it up a step into the house? If pedal assist is so slow, how does that work on a hill start?
Should bounce up kerbs no problem. Yeah hold down for wall assist. There's always the throttle on hill start but if not using it just remember to be in gear 1 when you come to a stop 👍
What’s the range on this thing on max PSA with some throttle given it wise about as much as the engine pro and doesn’t look at being very skinny any rough estimate of range and relatively flat streets? Still think it’s way overpriced for what it is? Was thinking about it because you’re less likely to get pulled over on this, I suppose, but I think they just want you to buy the 16 amp battery to be honest, but with the 13 amp any rough estimate of a range
I would really love to buy it but with my 195cm I'm almost sure I'm really too tall for this small bike
My e-bike cuts out at 37mph but there are always people overtaking me an stuff, I don’t see why I can’t have it as fast is possible, it is a single person vehicle that’s lightweight so has no wear and tear on the road so shouldn’t pay for the use of a road, the pedals will keep it a bike and not a motorbike so if you scuff a car then the insurance is normally always covered via no claims maintained, the only accidents I’ve seen is when people go after them like they are on a motorbike and cause an accident, they have so many safety features it makes it safer than a normal cycle bike no doubt, would you rather someone throwing themselves fully into a bike to get 30mph and is more at risk of an accident he’s so occupied, or would you rather see someone 30-40mph sitting totally relaxed and I’m control of the bike fully? It’s a no brainer, they are safer, they are eco friendly, bringing in laws to restrict the use of these will backfire and show the government’s hypocrisy, stating it wants more people to take up green energy or low carbon emissions, I have zero carbon emissions, I live in Scotland, we use no fossil fuel where I am
I think the UK speed limit for ebikes should be age related, and higher speed limits also require a CBT
I'd be ok with that
They must have a maximum power output of 4 kW and a maximum speed of 28 mph. If they exceed these limits, they are classified as mopeds or motorcycles, and riders must comply with the relevant regulations.
@@iOmada88 i think you're confusing ebikes with mopeds
@@e-VRC Am I... Or is the law...
@iOmada88 oh it's a suggestion. I've caught up lol 😂😂