The 19th wife is a great source of information as well. B.Y had so many wives that he once was in town and introduced himself to a lady whom he had forgotten was actually already one of his wives. Imagine the look on his face and the recover from that.
One of the things that JW&LDS have in common besides being from a nineteenth century spiritual seeker movement,Just like Mormon culture it has a strong history of shunning. I suppose the religious freedoms were the original cancel culture. Touché
@Kyree Grey you people know that hacking is illegal right? And this has nothing to do with the video y advertise something illegal rather if you feel your gf is not being honest rather than being sneaky n shady y not just ask her if she's comfortable with sharing her info with you and if not n you still have trust issues maybe get some professional help or just breakup/be friends rather than going down dark paths
@OTTO OCTAVIOUS yea that has worked so well🙄 Well mainly for the Arrogant old white heterosexual men at the top of a man made pyramid. All reactionary, dogmatic, inhuman, discompassionate jerks claiming to be a follower of Christ are definitely rationalizing sociological shunning over Common sense and Love. But then again what would I know about a story that has been rewritten and retold almost endlessly for the past two millenniums to placate bigots and sway the unthinking mouth breathing populous Whatever you need to justify your inhumanity as humane to
I remember my mom and dad sitting all of us down and reading this crap to us. Anytime they would come across something that didn’t make sense they would say “that proves the church is true“. I’d like to thank her for that because that is why I am no longer a Mormon. When you see other people learn of things like this and just keep trucking along in ignorance, it forces you awake.
Jessie, I was born LDS and for years struggled with it. After 40 plus years I decided to leave it but it has such a grip on that you feel guilty for leaving. Your videos calm me down and make me understand I made the right decision. I sincerely like how honest you are about how you feel about the church and how easy you make it for people to understand they are a cult. Thank you!
hey brother Dan, you left the church too early! Have you heard about the plausible discoveries of Nahom and Bountiful from the Book of Mormon? Have you heard about all of the chiasmus in the BofM? Or how about the ocean drift rates between old and new worlds that line up PERFECTLY with the Jaredites journey from the Book of Ether? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
@@Ether-pb5gb there is no chiasmus in the bom thats a false theory moronists make up. It's horrid anachronistic things it's crappy Christian corrupted you points have nothing to do with the past it's LACMA nursing about Jews of the biblical texts it is already apparent it's pretty Masonic satanic usages its Corruption of the New Testament and contradictions they're so great a man contradictions within itself excetera excetera excetera it's Smith put himself into the text to which makes it laughably hilariously proven is a fraud like himself
I love your channel, Jessie! I too left Mormonism to embrace the Lord Jesus and be born again. May your videos have God's blessings and reach many souls!
Idk if Native Americans are descendants from Israel or not. I don’t care but logically thinking it’s like why would native Americans use a land bridge or ice bridge? 10000 years ago the ocean literally was 400 feet down. Massive sites like Easter island you could the visit massive sites now under water. Or some say the Olmecs are Chinese which explain the flatter face as the Chinese fled their homeland to avoid genocide. It’d be possible for Chinese to travel by boat coming and going to Mexico. Watch the movie kontiki. A guy builds a raft and sails from Latin America to Polynesia
My husband and I just left the Mormon church and your videos, including this one have really solidified my choice and helped me to be sure that I had made the right one. Thank you!
I hope you haven't given up on God altogether! The Mormon god is false but the real God is not! Glad to hear that you left the LDS church but praying that you will find Jesus!
It's Me Jessie absolutely not! My relationship with God is honestly stronger than ever! Daily Bible study and so much prayer has made a huge difference! Also, really enjoyed your Good Friday video yesterday! ❤️
Great video! I grew up Mormon and then at about the age of 30 I left it. It's all thanks to my own study of the church, the CES Letter, and wonderful TH-camrs like yourself!! Thank you for all you do!
If you left the church because of the CES letter, then you don't know much and you haven't studied much. I have studied both for and against books for over 50 years. This lady doesn't even know the basic doctrines of the church. Talk about the blind leading the blind - she fits the bill.
And what is amazing is that the CES Letter is just a poorly researched exhaustive list of almost every bogus accusation leveled at the church from the past. It is like Jeremy Runnells is trying to just throw everything up on the wall to see what sticks. And the deeper you get into this letter it is just one blatant misrepresentation and fabrication after another. I am totally amazed that anyone gives it any credence at all. It is really that phony; no exaggeration. And like most of his contemporaries in the past, Jeremy Runnells is making his living promoting this work of fiction. Here is a reply to the CES Letter that goes through it point by point putonstrength.com/ces-letter/
The institution is flawless, good and righteous, restored. $100 billion, well let that accumulate until the end, when Armageddon or apocalypse happens. That's why we don't or why we just spend that money. K? The Mormon Church, the Institution, Christian institution is flawless, just a few behaviors, human behaviors, your judging because of sinners? Don't be afraid to see what it's about, nothing bad about it.
Paul Plumb Arguments for or against the church do not make it true or false. The truth is that the church / religion / god is false. There is no truth to your imaginary god or the prophets, the book of mormon, or the priesthood. Don't blind yourself to the reality of the world and life with bullshit dogma.
I am not a Muslim, though I have studied Islam, I cannot speak for Mormonism as I have not studied its theology that much, but from my understanding salvation as it is understood within christianity does not apply to Islam as within Islam there is no belief in the innate depravity of man, one achieves jannah (paradise) only through the complete submission to god, abandoning all false idols, and living in accordance with that which is halal (permitted by god). In regards to polygamy within Islam, I am not declaring any moral judgement upon it simply stating context, it is a result of the polygamy of pre-islamic arabia, and in fact limited the polygamy of its time. Islam would not state that an angel gave Muhammad a true book from heaven, but that the angel Gabriel spoke the word of god to Muhammad, which he would recite for scribes to write down, through a period 23 years of revelation. The wives in not stated within the Quran, though there are mistranslations, and it regarded by muslims in a variety of ways.
I think the CES letter is one of the primary reasons that LDS members are leaving the church in large numbers. Thank you Jeremy Runnells! His "excommunication" video is on TH-cam. The absolute highlight is when HE excommunicates THEM from his life! Joseph Smith, being a prophet and all, still did not foresee the damage the Internet would do to the LDS church. Mike Norton over at his NewNameNoah channel has actual filming of all of the Mormon temple rituals. Well worth watching. Thanks Jessie for bringing this letter to the forefront!
@Hale Hafa I'm curious as to what your thinking is on "I have a sure witness that this gospel is of God." Do you mean your testimony? I question this because a few years back I had a friend (not a member of any religion---she questioned all of them and thought they were all "bogus") who was approached by Muslims. They challenged her to read the Koran (Qu'ran) and pray and ask God if Islam was true after reading it. She did and she said God "absolutely" spoke to her heart that it was true and she converted. She is a very devout Muslim to this day. At one time I also had a neighbor who was a Pentecostal. (and somewhat obnoxious about it---I got tired of hearing it)! The Jehovah's Witnesses came to her house and challenged her to read the Watchtower literature and pray about whether it was God's organization on Earth. She told them she was absolutely convinced that the JW's were a "cult" and she refused to accept their literature.Her "hope" however was to convert THEM. For whatever reason they kept coming back to her house to talk (she was a very nice person) and eventually she said there was "absolutely" a convincing testimony from God telling her she needed to convert and become a Jehovah's Witness. (Then I had to hear all about her conversion experience over and over!) I was glad we moved! LOL My point is that many adherents to many different religions on this planet get a "testimony" of the truth of their beliefs and a "supernatural" knowledge that "IT " is the true church. They can't all be correct, can they? So how do you believe they "know" this???
Well, the tree of knowledge, was the first warning, to partake of the fruit was the cause of after, so as on schedule, many will stray and it's for the same reasons, but this time it's the cloud of knowledge. Ironically it just so happens to partake of the Apple iPhone or Computer. Is that a coincidence, the internet has caused this spit spurt of Athism, Flat Earthers and now those against the churches, more so, the LDS. Now able to see the second coming of Christ. There was a time when the old timers were told, we'd be able to see things at the same time over the entire earth. Wasn't possible, but they held their faith and here we are, it's possible now. They said, we'd be hearing Trumpets, are we? Trump/Pence. A bloodless brain of deception, it's what the internet is, it has so many truths, but out weighed by false notions about the truths. That money the LDS does not spend, is not for now, it's for that moment that's to come and everybody knows what that is. I would not want want that money being spent niether, it's too much of a resk, Prophet Monson took none of it, but yet made sure it's still accumulating, not for him, but for survivers. Like they said then, " don't believe everything you see on TV, "☝ that goes for the internet aswell. Every decade had its tribulations, everyone was worst than the other, Now we're experiencing not a century's tribulation nor a decade's, but a millennium 's, as on schedule, people still don't understand, we're witnessing tribulation, look at the news, or is it just fantasy?
@Hale Hafa Do you believe that the death of Jesus on the cross is the full and only atonement for the remission on sin? That, as Ephesians tells us, we are saved by grace, thru faith (and that not of us, but a gift of God), not works, lest anyone should boast? Do you believe, as we are told in Deuteronomy, that there is no god but God, nay not one? Or do you believe you must complete the ordinances and that you may also be a god someday? You can't have both.
CES letter was debunked, it’s nothing more than a lie that can’t even quote their sources right. It also changes quotes to best serve it. I feel sad for all who got tricked by it.
I enjoy seeing all the posts from ex-mormons. I’ve been studying to book of mormon and comparing it to the Bible. This video and the CES letters have saved me so much time
The Bible doesn't prove the accuracy of the BOM because it supersedes the Bible in knowledge about salvation. Your comparison therefore was a futile attempt to find the truth, if that was actually your purpose. Your comment above looks more like a cheap attempt to state that the Bible is the fulness of the gospel, which is what Protestant believe. I think your just a lying Protestant trying to convince us that your were a Mormon.
Carrow Please don’t be a hypocrite and critically judge the Book of Mormon and then just magically sssume the Bible is true. I hate that. So many leave Mormonism and yell praise Jesus im saved and then never critically study the Bible: It’s like Moses was commanded to commit genocide against Canaan. Abraham and jacob etc practiced polygamy. Magic happens and Moses the magician turns stick into snake.
@@melissaamoroso2205 hmmmm plz do and I'm sure you will know the real and complete truth 😊 I Investigated for almost five years then I got baptised. definitely no Way any church any organization can survive in those circumstances without divine help. There is another you tube channel saint unscripted I request plz check
Another great video, I have an old lds book from the early 60s. Pre priesthood, called “The Church and the Negro” I’m sure the church wouldn’t want to see or even acknowledge the book nowadays...
In the mid 70's Morman missionaries came to my home. They were using a book to tell about LDS founding. They turned to a page where a lightning bolt came down and blackened a man's skin. This they said was why Black people could not hold the priesthood. They explained they were marked with the sin of Cain. I will NEVER forget that. I said, "Wait a minute. This is not the God I know. " Some years later I read the NAACP went after them. Followed by their "prophet " receiving divine prophecy to allow them into the priesthood. They stopped polygamy when the US president said they would come in and shut them down. Just like the sin of Cain, the prophet at the time received a divine message to end polygamy. End of polygamy came before the end of the sin of Cain. There are so many other things to point out. I know it must be very difficult to be brought up believing this made up religion. There are good religions with bad people and bad religions with good people. When you can't ask questions that's a big red flag. Seek the faith that brings you closest to Christ.
in 2022, I went and spent a whole month in Utah for sport training and I was intrigued by the whole Mormon thing so I started researching the LTS and came across the CES letter, and I found it to be such an amazing read... My hat goes off to Jeremy Runnells for prioritizing truth and fighting for what is objective true.
My journey out of Mormonism started when they changed the temple ceremony. If the priesthood and it's Temple rights were restored by God, why change them?
You need to understand principles of truth and the practice of it- they are different. To say it’s not true because of the changes is like saying when Jesus taught more commandments and changed the old law to the new that the new is not wrong... bad logic
because times change and conditions change. What may work best in one time may not be the best in another time. In fact many things were changed by God going from old testament times to New Testament times.
Was also a CES (or S&I) employee for 26 years. I'm aware of the points raised in the CES letter and completely agree with his analysis. I, too, left my employment and the church after learning of several inconsistencies in the church's claims when we were tasked to look at how to respond to criticisms against the church. Major issues were: the DNA study that determined the origin of the native American Indians; Joseph Smith's philandering which he got away with by instituting "plural marriage" but the worst part of it was his marrying the wives of other men, some of whom were faithful elders sent on missions overseas, all against the guidelines issued in D&C 132 and nowhere like the plural marriages of Old Testament prophets cited as justification for the practice; origin of the temple signs, tokens, symbols, and attire; Wilford Woodruff's explanation for the 1890 Manifesto which basically admitted the government's authority over God; and the bogus translation of the Book of Abraham; to name just a few. You only need one false claim to destroy the Church's claim of divine sanction. But to have so many makes it pretty obvious.
But none of them are the "gotcha" they claim to be. 1. DNA happens to get bottle knocked and populations die off. Not to mention, we don't know what Jewish DNA looked like back then 2. Plural marriage was instituted. But Joseph was commanded to and sealing were often just sealing. Nothing more than a religious ceremony. The whole book of Abraham translation thing has been debunked as well. No argument has ever been a home run because more and more information comes out to disprove these silly ideas. I have studied alot of anti. I still know that this is the true church. Not only that but I challenge you to make a book like the book of mormon. You can't, because Joseph Smith is a prophet.
Because the CES letter is SOOOO full of truth, right? Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......careful. Lots of people don't want you to watch this...th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
I left the church as a teenager because I couldn't make sense of anything. I was gaslit and abused because of it, and yet here we are, with others who came to the truth.
Good on you. If you've been gaslit and abused for leaving then you can assure yourself you've done the right thing. I only hope you still believe in God and hopefully Jesus. I left the church about 8 years ago and no regrets whatsoever. Mormonism has alot of good stuff but it ain't the one and only true church. They struggle to provide simple answers to very pertinent questions and their historical truth claims are a major problem for them. Many many more will leave and their dogmatism will not go down well for them.
I stopped going when I was about 17. I don't recall the last time I went (I'm 37 now). Luckily I wasn't abused or anything like that, but something had definitely happened to my older sister and I don't know what. She was all about the church until she was about 24-25. Then she stopped going, and lived a normal life. Anytime the church would get brought up in conversation she would change the topic and visually be uncomfortable. Unfortunately my sister passed recently due to cancer, but one of the things she told her husband was that she didn't want the church doing anything at her grave or funeral or anything. I'm going down the rabbit hole now, as I hadn't really thought of anything church related and I'm getting more and more angry at myself and my family who brought me into that life for being so susceptible to these blatant made up things. I'm hoping to find some kind of peace in this educational journey because I never found peace in that church. I'm very sorry to hear that you were abused, and I hope if you haven't already that you find your peace.
Grew up Mormon and gay, it was horrible and I felt isolated. I left the church and came out when I was 20. After I had served an 11 month mission, I couldn’t finish because it was so hard to be gay and constantly with another guy who I was attracted to but teach people that what I was, was evil. I have come out and I have a beautiful fiancé and I am happy. Though I still struggle with spirituality and what comes after we die. I’m still happier than I was when I was in the church or should I say Mormon cult
Yeah, I remember leaving the church about 4 months back, and I was attending for six months, but later, God got ahold of me and told me that the LDS church is not the way to heaven. He did tell me we are saved by grace through faith, and that's all (ephesians 2:8-9) so it can be comforting to know that even though I mess up and we all do, we can still make it to heaven if we put our trust in Jesus alone for salvation.
So, you are a pervert and take pride in your actions that God himself has condemned in no uncertain terms in both the Old and New Testaments - way before the Church ever existed. Very sad. Were you molested by a male when you were a child? How much pornography did you consume? At what age did you start? I have a good friend that is a therapist. She said that in treating over 3000 cases over the last 20+ years she has not met one homosexual that was either 1) not molested as a child or 2) did not consume pornography. If you were molested, get help. It's out there and the damage can be reversed. If you brought this on yourself by consuming porn, get help. This is only slightly different than guys who view straight porn and find it impossible to be monogamous. Their lack of chastity and self control can be addressed in therapy. Your lack of chastity and self control can likewise be addressed. To be ok settling with the Telestial Kingdom should not be ok. You deserve better than that. Good luck overcoming your challenges.
@@erikmartinez6726 So everything that Peter, James and John wrote is superceded by what Paul wrote??? 🤦♂️ You do know that Peter, James and John were the First Presidency and that Paul was never a member of the Twelve Apostles, right? Paul was a great missionary, but his letters to various Bishops were never meant to be doctrine for the whole Church. I am sticking with what Peter, James and John wrote - that Faith without works is dead, and that we show our faith by our works.
Jessie - Been subscribed for some time now and I dont know how I missed this one . I have read about bits and pieces on the info in this video ,, but this is the first time ive heard it all at once .. I took alot of notes and will re-watch this many times to get more . You can plainly see that your labor is not in vain by the many comments of Mormons coming to faith in the REAL Jesus of our Holy Bible . I use all your info I have seen along with my points of fact to reveal truth to Mormons I have known for years .. God bless and keep you safe Jessie ...
The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
Always meant to tell you this story, about 3 years ago while painting my house this video started playing after I finished a general conference talk, thanks algos, I didnt even finish the video but I downloaded the CES letter read it all that night and the next morning I was done with mormonism after 37 years, 2 temple marriage, full time mission, eagle scout, and blessing my first child in the church. Since that day I have never set a foot in a mormon church, but I am a happy athiest now and my family is doing so well. thanks for your video it 100% chance the course of my life by complete accident.
So many pages constituting the ces letter are hugely lacking in any truth whatsoever. Every person impacted negatively by the ces letter must seek after truth from credible sources. Further, everyone must follow Mor 10 : 4,5. You must ask the Holy Ghost to give you spiritual confirmation.
Sorry you were deceived by false teachings. In the gospels, it tells us to not be deceived. Jesus said many false Christ's would come, false teachers....especially in the last days. God loves you, and jesus did die for the whole world. Repent, believe in Jesus. and follow Him!
Ferguson was the reason I left 6 years ago. See the Bible as a guide to life and not a religion. The Bible is all you need and through it you will know Jesus and who he really is. Faith is personal. Establish your own relationship with God. The Jesus in the BOM is not the Jesus of the Bible.
The CES letter has no invitation to search for Jesus in the Bible or gain a testimony of him by Prayer. Instead it’s leading the reader to abandon faith and make the search for God illogical. Christians that followed Jesus shared the Gospel with love for both the Jew and Gentile. Brother Runnels insults and counter on his blog are not Christ like in any form. Christians propogating this are doing more harm to the faith based community than good
Easily found online (there are several several PDF versions), “The CES Letter” by Jeremy Runnells poses a lot of questions regarding contradictory information regarding Mormon doctrines and the Book of Mormon.
Also easily found online, "A Faithful Reply to the CES Letter by a Former CES Employee," by Jim Bennett. It answers every question that Jeremy Runnells asks. canonizer.com/files/reply.pdf
@@ConnorSmith-lh7uw no it doesn't answer it's a start with false conclusions and make stuff up so no way that incorrect but it's all so laughably wrong so no and I thought he did blong more on his some this video does too so did you actually watch the video or are you just scared
The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
@@Ether-pb5gb Yes these videos also prove the CES letter a fraud. TH-cam "LDS transaction law suit part 1,2,3,4," So far thousands have came to debunk it and cannot.
@@paulgregersen3570 the book of abraham and book of mormon are a fraud and a hoax. They are totally false. They are nonsense and full of stupidity. American are not Jewish descendants but they are native American indian who are from asia .
Good video Jessie. Fun fact. Jessie was “my new name” that the Mormons gave me in the temple. I went on a Mormon mission to the Bible Belt. So I’ve heard a lot of Christians arguing points against Mormons. Kudos to u for staying out of that. When that happens Mormons just roll their eyes. What u did by sharing these highlights kept any Mormons watching instead of just rolling their eyes. God job. U also seem really knowledgeable about Mormonism. Good job doing good research. Since losing my faith I’ve become an agnostic. I can’t bring myself to believe that an all powerful being, capable of anything, made a plan that required his son to be tortured and die. And then for only a minority of his children to return to live with him. I can’t believe that a Jewish person who is an amazing human will go to hell cuz they don’t believe in Christ but a horrible person who says a prayer and “accepts Christ” goes to heaven. Sorry. If there is a god. And that’s his plan. I can’t worship that god. Ironically you’d say that god is good and all loving. But any parent who does something like this you’d also say is a horrible parent. I just can’t. If it’s bad for me to do that to my kids I can’t worship a god that does that.
Some persons never hear of Christ. Others are prejudiced against Christianity because of the bad example given by Christians, and because of this "invincible prejudice" they never accept Christianity. Nevertheless, if they hold themselves to moral conduct, repent when they slip, and believe in a just God, God will take them into heaven. I was taught this in a Catholic high school in the late 1950s--and also, of course, that God prefers everyone to be Catholic though he isn't a hardass about it. Much more humane than some evangelical doctrine. I left Catholicism because of disagreements on other matters.
Has the Mormon church addressed the CES letter and talked about it with their members? I tried telling my family about it and they said they’re afraid to read it because of the temple question on affiliating with “anti Mormon” groups.
Jessie is wrong do your own homework because she is not! She is incorrect about 99%. Of what she says. There is no history of wheat in pre-America because it wasn’t recorded it’s known that we don’t know how long wheat has been in America because American Indians did not make records and neither did the people before them.
@tapir rider you are only versed in being rude. I doubt you got past 6th grade. Old world barley: ediblesouthwestcolorado.com/ancient-barley-an-old-world-grain-receives-modern-attention/
@tapir rider you have absolutely no proof that barley was not on this land just like you don’t have proof of half the stuff that happened in the Bible but you believe that don’t you?
@Mike Kebbingler Fascinating. What other things, such as Zelph, Mahanroymorryanchemorh, and Zarrahemlah, was Joe Smith capable of? They were all figments of his plump imagination.
@Mike Kebbingler No, Joseph claimed in the Book of Abraham that Heavenly Father lives on a planet next to the STAR Kolob. Also, that our sun gets it's light from Kolob.
Not true, at all! Latter-day Saints can go to numerous people in the church to ask questions and can get any answer they need. Ultimately, the best answers come from God, himself, the source of all truth. Be honest when you write stuff.
@@RussellFineArt I politely disagree. When I had tough questions, my church leaders made sure to let me know I was engaging in dangerous behavior (seeking truth) and they didn't have answers to the questions I had. Also, emotions/feelings (i.e. praying to God) are not a reliable method to establish truth. Analysis of historical evidence such as court records, journals, and other primary documents reveal much more about what actually happened than praying for an answer will. For example, this is one of my questions. Why was Emma the 23rd woman to be sealed to Joseph Smith? After all, I had been raised my whole life in the church; primary, sunday school, seminary, mission. I knew so much Mormon history, right? Emma was Joseph's first and only wife, right? So I expected her to be the only one. But why was she the 23rd? My Bishop and SP said the answer wasn't pertinent to my salvation. Other members didn't even know Joseph Smith was a polygamist (polygyny and polyandry) and said I was mistaken. Praying, of course, didn't give me an answer. So I had to study the actual history. I found out about all of Joseph Smith's prior intimate encounters with women and it all made sense now. To maintain the illusion of a prophet, he needed people to think he was righteous, so the women needed to be sworn to secrecy. What a better way than creating a new ordinance called "celestial marriage," which was too "holy" for the women to talk about? Even to each other? For example, the Partridge Sisters were both married to Joseph independently of each other. Also, when Joseph got Emma to finally give in, she picked the Partridge sisters. He was "sealed" to them AGAIN at a later date because Emma didn't know about the first sealings, which he kept secret from her. So basically he used sealings as a way to amass wives and keep them silent. If it really had anything to do with love and eternal families, he would have gotten sealed to Emma first and foremost. But that's not what happened. And no one at church is going to admit to you that this is the reason. I can go on and on.
@@garrettrichards5559 Thanks for your reply, Garrett. Give me the names of who told you not to research church history, I'll chew 'em out! :) Yeah, not sure why anyone would say to not research church, Bible or any history as you can learn a lot, however, being an historian myself and having thoroughly research church history, I can honestly say, there has been a tremendous amount written about church history that is not accurate, comes only from opinion and speculation or is purposefully intended to lie about our church history and characters. And some church history we just don't understand as the records are either too scant and not given enough detail. It can be difficult to find what's actually true, especially since we don't have the characters here to testify themselves. Regarding the Partridge sisters and Emma, we know from scant records that Emma was opposed to plural marriage, of any kind, when Joseph first talked about it and began to act upon it, however, we don't have any records of who was sealed to Joseph Smith nor exact dates. That may sound like a cop out but, it's true, we can speculate but, we don't know exactly who was married or sealed to Joseph Smith and when, other than Joseph and Emma's civil marriage, which we have court records of. We have journal entries and notes after the events and many of them, long after the events of temple sealings, but we have no Nauvoo temple records of Joseph Smith's marriages. We know, from personal testimony, of several of the spiritual wives of Joseph Smith, in the church vs. Fed. Gov't on plural marriage, which my own great-great grandfather, George Reynolds, represented the church at, that several of these women Joseph had been sealed and married to, in the Nauvoo temple, had sexual relations with him, all who had not been civilly married to another man or where underage (under 18). Who was sealed to Joseph when, is speculation as we just don't know. We have various records which often contradict each other or are unsubstantiated. Either way, we know that Joseph Smith taught plural marriage by way of commandment from God but have little details of how it was carried out, until the 1850's Utah period, when it became public. Likewise, we have no details exactly why Abraham, the ancient prophet, killed innocent people, why he practiced polygamy, why Moses killed a man, practiced polygamy and ordered the genocidal killing of thousands of innocent people to steal their lands. There's A LOT of scant historical accounts we just don't know all of the details of, which is why I suggested to pray for the answers. Sure, you can research but as an old college professor once told me, history is just that; his story, meaning, the story someone tells, which may become an historical account is the story or one person that's likely biased to fit their narrative. I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, just like Peter, Isaiah, Moses and the others listed in the Bible and I believe he did the best he could with what he knew and that we know only some of what he knew. I spent years not active in the church, attending other churches and studying many other religions and philosophies and couldn't give a tiny rat's butt about the church, however, I had a friend rail agains the church one day and it's leaders, which I thought was unfair and flat-out wrong, as I knew he was lying. I decided to read the Book of Mormon, as an adult, which I had never done and never cared to, and prayed to know if it was true or just a hoax, like my friend said it was and I got a powerful answer, an audible one, that it was true and that the church was true. Not what I had expected. I was bothered by some of the church history, especially polygamy and banning the priesthood to some so I began researching, over 30 years ago, traveling to: New York, Ohio, Missouri, Illinois and Salt Lake City, where I wasn't from, to church sites, church records and critical books. I found as I mentioned earlier, there is scant records or no records of some of the things I was researching but a TON of opinions from others. I found the only source of real truth is from God and have faith that I'll learn everything I need, some day. I know that the church and its leaders have done a tremendous amount of good in the world, have fed and clothed millions of people, have taught good principles and have done their level best to help others and do their best. Neither Joseph Smith nor any other church leader is perfect and neither am I but they have done their very best and are guided by God. Kind of like rolling a car tire down a street, it will get off track, wobble a bit, nearly tip over at times but eventually, gets to the right destination with good guidance. Please read the scriptures, keep researching and don't forget to pray! God bless
@@RussellFineArt when I was an investigator for nearly 4 months, I had questions. Sometimes it was met with polite change of subject or the casual "you have so much to learn, worry about that stuff later once you grasp the core". It seemed an excuse to push the question away. Other questions I noticed seem to annoy active members with harsh statements telling me that "if you are looking for issues don't waste our time". These gruff replies were brutal and awkward. Fortunately, that was from a select few. The Mormon missionaries that were assigned to me often played "good cop / bad cop" one being very kind and supportive, the other often 2nd guessing why I was asking certain questions. The 3 of us spent lots of time together. We visited the Smith Farm (I'm only 15 miles away from Palmyra, NY) and the Book Publishing building. The history was fascinating. Shame these 2 guys finished their trip. The new missionaries were not as educated or as friendly and I lost interest as an investigator and did my own homework.
I have been watching Exmolex. She grew up mormon and several family generations back original mormon. Her stories are really fascinating, however, she is now an atheist. I am so happy to know you are a born again Christian.
Linda, I feel the opposite. Exmolex has done so well by waking up and smelling the forbidden coffee, opening her eyes to all the bullshit in fantasy religions the world over. Sadly, Jess isn't there yet, she is still clinging to something.
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Good detailed list of errors in the BofM. Once you see those, it's easy to see the same type of errors in the PofGP and bible. I respect that some need to believe in something greater, but they have to turn a blind eye to an awful lot of evidence.
Thank you so so much for this video. Although I love Mormon stories and RFM I don’t have the attention span to sit through long form videos that go on for hours and hours discussing the CS letters. I appreciate you giving me the cliff notes version.😀
I wasn't born into Mormonism but I have learned so much from your channel. Hopefully I will be able to speak to any Mormons I may meet in the future with compassion and intelligence. Thanks for all your work. Also, you so pretty. Free compliment :).
"I will remark with regard to slavery, inasmuch as we believe in the Bible, inasmuch as we believe in the ordinances of God, in the Priesthood and order and decrees of God, we must believe in slavery. This colored race have been subjected to severe curses, which they have in their families and their classes and in their various capacities brought upon themselves. And until the curse is removed by Him who placed it upon them, they must suffer under its consequences; I am not authorized to remove it. I am a firm believer in slavery." (Prophet Brigham Young in the Joint Session of the Legislature, January 1852)
“From the days of the Prophet Joseph even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel. Furthermore, your ideas, as we understand them, appear to contemplate the intermarriage of the Negro and White races, a concept which has heretofore been most repugnant to most normal-minded people from the ancient patriarchs till now. God’s rule for Israel, His Chosen People, has been endogamous. Modern Israel has been similarly directed. We are not unmindful of the fact that there is growing tendency, particularly among some educators, as it manifests itself in this area, toward the breaking down of race barriers in the matter of intermarriage between whites and blacks, but it does not have the sanction of the Church and is contrary to Church doctrine.” (LDS First Presidency (George Albert Smith), letter to Virgil H. Sponberg (critic of the anti-black ban), May 5, 1947)
I had most of these questions in my mind from the age of ~10. I'm 38 now. 28 years of just accepting the answer 'it just is'. Nope, Mormonism is NOT Christian and is entirely based on lies by a greedy man who had greedy followers.
The LDS church is just a large corporation like Exxon or Disney masquerading as a church. When you look into how much money they've spent on vanity projects you'll be shocked
@@jt2481 I'm talking about how much money the lds church pours into buying stocks or buying private farm land in comparison to what they actually give.
Thanks to you putting this out I had the thought to get History of the Church (I am not a Mormon/LDS whatever) just a Bible believing Christian... SO I am glad that you gave me the "address" for the many wives. @18:54 (Time stamp for me to refer back to when the books come in)
Thank you for sharing your knowledge on these topics and for your courage to say these truths. My best friend is Mormon and it is so hard to watch her be held in chains by this religion and never feel "worthy". Hopefully one day she will see the truth as you have.
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@@blahtime99 Why are you HELL-BENT on Destroying peoples Faith? Why don't you go on your merry way & leave people alone? It doesn't mount to a hill of beans or make a difference in your day to day life, so why not let it alone? I refuse to debate you on the subject because It won't effect your view of it, but the Truth will be known in The End, & we'll both know it then!✝️🙏🏼 Physical EVIDENCE for The Bible's teachings. th-cam.com/video/oQd-fdpq9mk/w-d-xo.html
@@Agenda21Truth1 You mean you won't because you have ZERO evidence. It's sad that you can't offer even a speck of evidence for something that you are basing your life on. And no, quoting the bible doesn't count as evidence.
Thank you for this highlight reel. Also, thank you for your message/mini-testimony at the end - that takes a lot of courage and I admire your sincerity and faith
Born into it, it took me a few decades to find the truth. Frankly, I consider myself lucky. My parents weren't devout and I wasn't "properly indoctrinated" as a child. It's culty, authoritarian and patriarchal and uses thought suppression and guilt. Not a fan.
@@robertmelcher904 I'm perfectly aware that Mormonism and all religions are false. They are simply myth and superstitions that people still believe. What did I say that led you to think I have a religion??
@@utah133 Hey! Many people who leave the LDS church turn to atheism because they are so angry and feel so much betrayal for being lied to all of their lives! I was raised in the church from birth in 1954 until I left in 1992. For a long while I felt the same. Then one book changed my life. "Evidence That Demands A Verdict" by Josh McDowell. Give it a read.
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Patty Farb I am in the same place. Witnessed to my brother and sister in law that the BOM was false. Asked them to just look into it like we are called in the Bible (to test all things). He said, “I guess we will see who is right when we die” 😢
@@jennifernewland1851 you might share this link with them comparing the Bible to the BOM. It's very long but very well put together in my opinion. th-cam.com/video/3OE2jyEMNWI/w-d-xo.html
@@kkheflin3 I just watched the video. The most chilling part was the Blood Atonement. How awful was this practice. This history should be revealed to everyone in TV movie so that everyone the world over can see the cruel, evil, cult tactics at work in Mormonism.
I have read the CES Letter. In honesty I felt these were all very legitimate questions concerning Church doctrine, I was a TBM up to age 50, I lost my belief in the church while studying about church history and the Book of Abraham what started out as a spiritual journey, with the idea of being faith promoting. The life of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham became a wrecking ball to what I felt to be a strong testimony. Now I have come to the conclusion that all religion is crap. I no desire to believe in holy books or holy men. I am done with religion. I still believe that there is a God, but one who is above any dogma or religion.
John Lee well John you sure like to get out there with the accusations and personal insults. Are your issues bordering on hatred or just a warm dislike. I don’t pretend to have any special knowledge about your testimony or Temple worthy ness. I do question your commitment to your to the love your neighbor as thy self commandment, in this case your response has been very similar to what I seen in posts by evangelicals, I always thought the LDS were better then that. You probably should have started your response with bearing your testimony on you know that Joseph Smith was a Prophet or the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. I talk about my personal experience and opinion. I don’t do character assassination or resort to personal attack’s. If you want to be the defender of the faith great, but have a little dignity.
John Lee well there you go again, name calling, trying to play the TH-cam bully. Were you looking in the mirror when you came up with hypocrite? I was expecting some sort of retort, not one so unthought out. If you get this out of wack with the comments of a stranger, then one can only imagine your reactions to people you actually know. Who have opinions that differ from yours.
Steve Smith You shouldn't blame God because you were deceived by Joseph Smith. He warned you by Jesus Christ to not be deceived. I had to own it myself after a lifetime of delusion as well, so I understand your feelings. Peace.
@@Mikha335 All we have a man made religions and flawed humans preaching that they're the ones with the truth. If your Jesus or God or Allah or Buddha wants us to know something, let him tell us, not you
She wouldn't go into what she believes. Because she knows that her beliefs and rationale could just as easily be twisted....just like she twists what Latter-day Saints believe. The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
@@Ether-pb5gb She isn't twisting. She is speaking truth. The Mormon Church is built on fraud. She has spoken about her faith .She is a Bible believer. You don't know what you are saying.
@@cc-mk2hp I believe in the Bible too. I believe it when Jesus prays to his Father, I believe that the Father witnessed the baptism of Jesus, I believe that when Jesus was transfigured that he saw the Father, I believe that when Jesus was on the cross that he was pleading with his Father, I believe that in John 17 when Jesus is praying in Gethsemane, that he was praying to his Father. He was not praying to himself as the trinity teaches!!
@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 I have nothing to offer you. I am a mere mortal. A sinful, fallen creature. God offers you everlasting life as a free gift. No strings attached. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. The fact that you will die someday shows that you have sinned. God made a way past death. Jesus Christ abolished death. 2 Timothy 1:10 but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, The true and living God who created you wants you to have everlasting joy. He created you to have a love relationship with Him. "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart and with all thine soul and with all thy mind." The greatest thing in life is to know God. Jeremiah 9:23 Thus says the Lord, “Let not a wise man boast of his wisdom, and let not the mighty man boast of his might, let not a rich man boast of his riches; 24 but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the Lord who exercises loving kindness, justice and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things,” declares the Lord. John !7:3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. Unfortunately, your sins separate you from a infinitely holy God. Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear. Worse still, there is nothing you can do to merit everlasting life. You cannot bribe God. Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. The good news, the gospel, is that God is rich in mercy. God made a way for you to be reconciled to God, by the death of His Son. Jesus Christ, who was God in the flesh, humbled himself, shed his blood, died and rose again. He paid the penalty for all your sins when He died on the cross. All you need to do is humble yourself, repent of your sin and put your faith in what Jesus Christ has already done for you. And God will grant you the gift of everlasting life.
Now Shay, please prove to me that the Bible, it's character and events, are true, or that they ever even happened. Prove to me that Jesus ever existed. Prove that ANYTHING you believe is true. I can recommend you to a good Tony Robbins motivational presentation that will be of as much help as what you're experiencing.
Hey Jessie! This is now your second video I've watched, and I must say, they are golden. You got a new subscriber. Thanks for sharing that content, it fits very well in my life right now.
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Good luck at the born again Christian thing. I went through all that in my 20s had took another 20 years of heartfelt investigation to be able to finally discard all Middle Eastern based religions. Now I'm peacefully and happily agnostic
Wow, impressed by the literary references in the beginning. The algorithm brings me to this part of TH-cam through IBLP. I’d heard of the CES Letter but assumed it was full of doctrinal references I wouldn’t understand. Instead, it’s right up my alley - my degree was in French and English Letters, so I read a ridiculous amount of 19th century literature. The only time I tried to read the Book of Mormon, I was sitting bored in a hotel. Of course there was one in the desk drawer. The prose was just a parody of KJV-esque language mixed with the lowest-tier popular reading material of the 1800-1830 period, before Romanticism really took off. As far as the actual content, I only remember the Angel Moroni showing up. If I remember correctly, Smith was saying things like ‘and the hem of his sleeves was approximately one inch’ and all of these other ridiculous details that NO ONE would be noticing if an angel was suddenly standing there. It sounded like a 13 year old throwing minute details into an elaborate lie b/c he thinks it makes it sound more believable, when in fact it tips his parents off that he’s lying. And don’t even get me started on the etymology of all the names that he evidently thought were very impressively ‘bible-sounding.’ And then, when I talked to Mormons, they had a tendency to try to look deep into your eyes and implore you to ‘read the book and ASK YOURSELF if it’s true.’ Dude, I couldn’t get through a few pages without rolling my eyes, throwing it back in the drawer and reading the menu from the local Chinese takeout place instead. Same difference - flowery language, suspicious descriptions and you read it wondering to what degree it’s lies.
it's such a poor quality read that it's been changed in 4000 places. all without the slightest hint of a change ever being made. and there are no distinct mormon doctrines in the book. i'm suppose to believe that god needed a book to bring out hidden secrets of christianity, and then he forgot what those hidden secrets are. and then there's the authorship question. who wrote it? his mother had already written one book. and she had already raised one other son, alvin, to be a prophet, but alvin died. years later, after joseph is shot and killed, his mother and wife take up living together in the same house, and guess what? another prophet is raised. what a concidence. i'm not saying it was not a miracle. i'm sure it was a miracle. it's a miracle that anyone can read the book without dieing of boredom.
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My friend was a Mormon and he took me to one of their churches at one point. The preacher went up to the altar and I swear he actually said, "9/11 was a good thing!" I kid you not! He blamed it on abortionists, LGBTQ people and other minorities. I whispered to my friend that we had to go immediately cause all hell was going to break loose if we didn't. So we left. People who think that way are the reason why the world is the way it is today. It's blatant hypocrisy: Preaching love, peace and compassion and then turning around and condemning people because they don't agree with the fact that they are different. It makes me mad that I breathe the same air as these idiots
Yes Jessie is so obviously full of the Holy Spirit! God is using you Jessie and I love your channel. Factual and spot on every single time. Thank you for all you are doing!
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@@RussellFineArt the Bible tells us to reprove and admonish. Are you going to reveal that you never judged an atheist or exMormon or other religious organizations? Answer carefully.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Yes, reprove: "reprimand or admonish" -Webster's Dictionary, which means to reprimand or admonish YOUR members, which the Bible also clearly instructs, if they get out of line with hitting their kids, stealing from others, etc., not showing bigotry and hate and intolerance for others and their beliefs. The Bible also says: "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, save he revealeth his secrets unto his servants, the prophets." Amos 3:7 And, "scripture is not for personal interpretation" 2 Peter 1:20 But requires a prophet to interpret. If you're not a prophet, you cannot interpret the scripture and if you don't follow a prophet of God, you do not know his secrets and will. Fortunately, there is a prophet of God on the earth today and he speaks with God and to God's people. Read what he has to say: churchofjesuschrist.org/ God bless!
@@RussellFineArt I can interpret the scriptures. The Catholic church and Jehovah's Witnesses also play the game that they are the only ones that can interpret scriptures. Baloney! Notice that the verse says _"prophecy OF scripture."_ It does not say, "no scripture" is of any personal interpretation. Prophecy is a subset of Scripture. It is not Scripture as a whole. So, what is prophecy of Scripture? Well, its prophecy. Let's look at the context. 2 Peter 1:20 does not say that we cannot interpret the word of God without church authority. Furthermore, the Greek word for "interpretation" is ἑρμηνεία, hermeneia. It occurs twice in the New Testament. Scripture speaks of individual's ability to interpret Scripture 1 John 2:27, _"As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him."_ Acts 17:11, _"Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so." _ Romans 14:5, _"One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind." _ As you can see from the three verses above, we are told that the anointing we have received, the Holy Spirit, will teach us what we need to know (1 John 2:27). We see that people compared even what Paul the Apostle said to Scripture and they were commended for it (Acts 17:11). We also see that Paul said "each person must be fully convinced in his own mind" regarding worship days (Romans 14:5). If ecclesiastical authority is necessary in order to interpret Scripture, then why is it these three verses speak to the contrary? There is no necessity given to submit to an ecclesiastical authority that will tell people what the Scriptures "really mean." As is evident from reading, the verse is speaking of the subset of Scripture; namely, prophecy. Prophecy is something that occurs within Scripture, just as narration, poetry, imprecation, songs, etc., also occur in Scripture. But, it is only prophecy that is singled out regarding interpretation. This makes sense, especially when consider what Peter says next in 2 Peter 1:21. _"for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."_
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 And what is scripture? It's writings of men moved upon by the Holy Ghost, which is prophecy. Sure, you can read scripture and try to understand it but you will never fully understand it without the spirit of prophecy, which prophets of God have. You help prove my point that the Bible contradicts itself, over and over and over again as you can find virtually any scripture and find another that will completely contradict it. It's bizarre but true. I know the Bible extremely well but avoid arguing any point in it as I can just as easily find the counter argument and just go in circles, all day, every day. Is the Bible pointless? No, it's valuable but needs to be understood by the spirit of prophecy and no other way as you'll get caught in the circle. Cheers!
Despite these damnable teachings. Some Mormons choose to remain Mormon for various reasons: public status, job, family ties, the culture, has Christian-like traditions, social reasons, marriage purposes, etc. And from what one man I spoke to--because he liked the idea of polygamy. He didn't care about doctrines or who Jesus was. Mormonism is a man-centered religion.
Triumphator in Christ MAGA 2020 Also FEAR, fear that what if the Mormon church is true. They’ve been taught in a very diabolical way that their church is the one true church and their leaders will not lead them astray
@@MeToo-py1tq yes, this fear is difficult to overcome, it holds my family hostage! 😢 l praise the Father and my Lord Jesus that through them l am free.
@@alexislane1035: Finding peace and happiness does not mean you are saved. A Muslim, Hindi, Native American or a young lady in FLDS polygamist sect can find peace and happiness too. Only Christ through His Gospel (Bible) can save you (John 14:6)
Great job from a former Mormon also born again Christian. Even in the face of all this my Mormon friends continue to cling to Mormonism. I'm afraid all the facts in the world will not change them.
So what do you do and say about other people’s videos just like you but about the Bible- mistakes- things that cannot be proven. Stories told by people who were not present while things were happening, etc. how do you explain away all of those points for your belief in the Bible? (Also which Bible do you use?) If you can do that for the Bible why not the Book of Mormon?
Spoken like a Mormon who has NEVER read the whole bible and believes what her church leaders told her. Do some research and start in genesis asking God to teach you his truth.
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This is so depressing. Thank you! Rogue teachers need to explore the CES letter during class. A clerks need to slip it into every members tithing statements!
What she’s reading is referring to the original KJV translation, done in 1611. The KJV was produced in the early 17th century. Joseph Smith’s 1769 edition was a printing of a 17th century translation
@@markking8292 Indeed. One of the prima facie falsities of the BOM is that it is supposedly a 19th century translation and yet it sounds suspiciously like 17th century English! 19th century Americans weren't talking with "thees" and "thous" and other flowery, old timey grammar.
Good job, Jessie. I am an ex-Mormon and I worry about my Mormon friends following such a cult and thinking it's the true church. Joseph Smith was a terrible shrew.
I have people i love dearly in the LDS Church. I pray for them, for related mormons and for the whole church. It's sad, because there are things they seem to have a handle on, such as love and relationships and service, that seem to have been lost in many of today's Christians. They seem to maintain the centrality of their church in their lives whereas many Christians faith seems to be just one aspect of their lives. They could teach Christians so much about practical love within the church.
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I call myself the revolving door Mormon. I've been inactive for prolly 40 ish years than active since 2016 and with that goes all the lifestyle being inactive, if anyone can find fault with the church would be me but that's another book. The one thing that has been my anchor is a witness I had of Christ, Jesus at age 11. I already know that there's kajillions of things to the contrary of Mormonism being this and that but this one and only witness I had has cleared the way for me to know where I stand with Jesus Christ as my Absolute and Eternal Redeemer. I received my testimony that Jesus is The Christ in 1966 at age 11 in Arlington Virginia before I was ordained into the Aaronic Priesthood of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. The Holy Ghost bore witness that "pierced me to my very core." Every part of me became "one" with this experience with a JOY and BLISS words can't express. There isn't anything earthly that can even come close to expressing this eternal reality through words or writing. I was between two planes of existence, one physical and one spiritual. My mom and I were reading the children's rendition of the illustrated version of the Book of Mormon. I was sitting on the bed while she was reading. This was a daily routine in which mom would read aloud. She encouraged me to read on my own, the Holy Bible and the Book of Mormon written for youngsters. Over time we were on chapter 11 of 3rd Nephi starting with verse: 8 And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them; and the eyes of the whole multitude were turned upon him, and they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them. 9 And it came to pass that he stretched forth his hand and spake unto the people, saying: 10 Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world. 11 And behold, I am the light and the life of the world; and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me, and have glorified the Father in taking upon me the sins of the world, in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning. 12 And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words the whole multitude fell to the earth; for they remembered that it had been prophesied among them that Christ should show himself unto them after his ascension into heaven. 13 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto them saying: 14 Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world. All I can say is whatever works for you to believe in Jesus Christ as your Savior is a foundation of giving, caring, ministering and above all loving each other. Just words right?! I know I'm the ultimate hypocrite too so like I said, I can write a book about being out of the church. I can only go from my experience and I can tell you that it is not from the "Dark Side." There is no other name or way to have this feeling I witnessed from the Holy Spirit at age 11 than through our Precious Jesus Christ. He is the Only Way 🕊️🕊️🕊️
@kiwibrown I received my witness of God Jesus Christ as our Savior and of God the Father as our Father from God the Holy Spirit while reading the Book of Mormon,, to deny that witness would be unforgivable and unpardonable. If you believe in Jesus Christ as your personal Savior then you will believe in the Book of Mormon
@kiwibrown there's a phenomenal difference between Satan and God the Holy Spirit. I have had the witness of Satan when I indulged in mind altering substances and he is beyond anything you can ever wish to experience. Do not question my experience between the light and the dark. Who am I to deny God the Holy Spirit?
does it explain all of the chiasmus and other hebraisms found in the Book of Mormon? Or does it talk about the discovery of Nahom? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
Whoa, I mean although we say the Sacrament prayers every week (before Covid-19) in which it says "to always remember Him, to keep His commandments which He hath given them," and serve missions around the world, provide various humanitarian help, and other general acts of goodwill, we definitely don't give our lives to Jesus Christ. We just think we do, but it's the thought that counts. Although doing some stuff like that helps. Did you catch the sarcasm? That means, we DO give our lives to Christ. Maybe you should do some research (like Jessie) before you go around posting things. - From a Mormon (a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)
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@@Ether-pb5gb "The CES letter is a major fraud. " Please show me a citation that proves the CES letter is a fraud from a non-Mormon source; thank you in anticipation.
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Something that really bothered me was when I was serving my mission in mexico I would share 1Corinthians 15:40 with people which states, "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another." I would teach people that this talked about the three kingdoms of glory but celestial and terrestrial mean heavenly and earthy in spanish and the third telestial is meaningless. I tried reasoning what this meant in my head to no avail. Also why would the second kingdom be called earthly and not the third. Lastly this ones pretty funny in the KJV the word mammon is used which means riches and its used in 3 Nephi 13:24 directly copied from the kjv, however, in the spanish Book of Mormon its spelt mamon which means idiot. If Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon from Egyptian why didn't he use the word riches instead of mammon.
Luke 17 verse 21 states the kingdom of God lives in us. Jesus Christ had said before his crucifixion had his kingdom been on the earth they would have fought for him. We do not die to get to the celestial kingdom it's lives in us just like all 3 degrees we decide if we make it to the celestial kingdom in this life and get to live in Christ presence or not. Christ said follow me. His Gospel is true and we get to the celestial kingdom by putting into actions his gospel which is a life style and not a religion. We choose where we go in this life.
@@RussellFineArt That's an ignorant lie. I get comments and emails every single day from exMormons who now know the true Savior and are born again Christians, filled with hope and joy.
@@itsmejessie Can you prove ANY of them are remaining Christians? We baptize nearly 900 people a day in our church who know the Savior lives and loves them and testify that His church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. We have the records, I've met many of them and have personally baptized many former Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, evangelical Christians, atheists and others who respect their former churches and beliefs and are taught to never say anything disparaging or defamatory about them but to move forward with what they believe to be true, sharing love and peace. What you're doing, Jesse, if fanning the flames of hate and bigotry, and you know it! If you don't agree with our beliefs, fine, you can simply state that and move on, as we do, and talk about your own beliefs. You know full well that the ONLY reason you're making these videos is to defame our church and members and spread bigotry and hate.
@@RussellFineArt The LDS church teaches a false Christ, a false Gospel, false prophets, changes who God is, has occultic (demonic) background and influence in the temples, esteems Joseph Smith to the level of Jesus Christ and he himself even boasted that he did a greater work than Christ. The LDS church is blasphemous and full of deception. My ONLY goal is to preach the truth of the Bible and to expose the false teachings that contradict the Bible.
So glad that you have read to us instead of using Ai...You fumbled a few words but that just makes us sit up and take notice. Carry onm young lady and thank you.
Most of my friends as a teen were Mormon and I praise the Lord I wasn’t “called” to it. Even at 15 years old I just didn’t buy it. Two years ago I went to SLC with my best friend. They OPENLY deny the racism and “white and delightsom” BS. It’s was mind blowing.
I was a 5th generation Mormon, and by the time I was 14 I stopped believing (if I ever did in the first place). I couldn’t leave until I was 18 though. I have never regretted my decision, and I’m so thankful I found the true Jesus ♥️
Jeremy Runnells was well qualified to write this paper due to his life long membership in the church and a return missionary. I gather you've read books refuting the Bible and Christianity, such as, 'How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee.' I'd highly recommend it. "All we would need to do would be to read the Bible and accept what it says as what really happened. That, of course, is the approach to the Bible that fundamentalists take. And that’s one reason why you will not find fundamentalists at the forefront of critical scholarship." "Faith is not historical knowledge, and historical knowledge is not faith." - Bart Ehrman.
@borrowed tomb Yet the Bible is the very foundation of Christianity, and with little to no evidence of it's core claims such as, the resurrection of Jesus Christ. That creates a problem for those who proclaim the Bible as a divine or holy book, Or Christianity as the one true religion. Bart Ehrman absolutely differs from others, that's why he debates people such as James White on the issue of specifically the New Testament and Jesus. He also debates people such as William Lane Craig. Your comment and my reply was a digression from the original purpose of my comment. Jessie spends alot of time criticising Mormonism as a false religion, My comments are a reminder to examine your own belief system for errors and false information in an unbiased manner. Your comment was placed in the area of the historical evidence of the new testament, this has absolutely no bearing on the divine claims made within that book. Therefore many Christians are in the same position as anyone else when it comes to faith claims, It's blind. In conclusion I think it's completely hypocritical of anyone in a religious group or philosophy to criticise the other for falsehood.
@@TheChrishendrix “The evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.” The First Line of Evidence for Christ's resurrection To begin with, we have demonstrably sincere eyewitness testimony. Early Christian apologists cited hundreds of eyewitnesses, some of whom documented their own alleged experiences. Many of these eyewitnesses willfully and resolutely endured prolonged torture and death rather than repudiate their testimony. This fact attests to their sincerity, ruling out deception on their part. According to the historical record (The Book of Acts 4:1-17; Pliny’s Letters to Trajan X, 97, etc) most Christians could end their suffering simply by renouncing the faith. Instead, it seems that most opted to endure the suffering and proclaim Christ’s resurrection unto death. Granted, while martyrdom is remarkable, it is not necessarily compelling. It does not validate a belief so much as it authenticates a believer (by demonstrating his or her sincerity in a tangible way). What makes the earliest Christian martyrs remarkable is that they knew whether or not what they were professing was true. They either saw Jesus Christ alive-and-well after His death or they did not. This is extraordinary. If it was all just a lie, why would so many perpetuate it given their circumstances? Why would they all knowingly cling to such an unprofitable lie in the face of persecution, imprisonment, torture, and death? While the September 11, 2001, suicide hijackers undoubtedly believed what they professed (as evidenced by their willingness to die for it), they could not and did not know if it was true. They put their faith in traditions passed down to them over many generations. In contrast, the early Christian martyrs were the first generation. Either they saw what they claimed to see, or they did not. Among the most illustrious of the professed eyewitnesses were the Apostles. They collectively underwent an undeniable change following the alleged post-resurrection appearances of Christ. Immediately following His crucifixion, they hid in fear for their lives. Following the resurrection they took to the streets, boldly proclaiming the resurrection despite intensifying persecution. What accounts for their sudden and dramatic change? It certainly was not financial gain. The Apostles gave up everything they had to preach the resurrection, including their lives. The Second Line of Evidence for Christ's resurrection A second line of evidence concerns the conversion of certain key skeptics, most notably Paul and James. Paul was of his own admission a violent persecutor of the early Church. After what he described as an encounter with the resurrected Christ, Paul underwent an immediate and drastic change from a vicious persecutor of the Church to one of its most prolific and selfless defenders. Like many early Christians, Paul suffered impoverishment, persecution, beatings, imprisonment, and execution for his steadfast commitment to Christ’s resurrection. James was skeptical, though not as hostile as Paul. A purported post-resurrection encounter with Christ turned him into an inimitable believer, a leader of the Church in Jerusalem. We still have what scholars generally accept to be one of his letters to the early Church. Like Paul, James willingly suffered and died for his testimony, a fact which attests to the sincerity of his belief (see The Book of Acts and Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews XX, ix, 1). The Third and Fourth Lines of Evidence for Christ's resurrection A third line and fourth line of evidence concern enemy attestation to the empty tomb and the fact that faith in the resurrection took root in Jerusalem. Jesus was publicly executed and buried in Jerusalem. It would have been impossible for faith in His resurrection to take root in Jerusalem while His body was still in the tomb where the Sanhedrin could exhume it, put it on public display, and thereby expose the hoax. Instead, the Sanhedrin accused the disciples of stealing the body, apparently in an effort to explain its disappearance (and therefore an empty tomb). How do we explain the fact of the empty tomb? Here are the three most common explanations: First, the disciples stole the body. If this were the case, they would have known the resurrection was a hoax. They would not therefore have been so willing to suffer and die for it. (See the first line of evidence concerning demonstrably sincere eyewitness testimony.) All of the professed eyewitnesses would have known that they hadn’t really seen Christ and were therefore lying. With so many conspirators, surely someone would have confessed, if not to end his own suffering then at least to end the suffering of his friends and family. The first generation of Christians were absolutely brutalized, especially following the conflagration in Rome in A.D. 64 (a fire which Nero allegedly ordered to make room for the expansion of his palace, but which he blamed on the Christians in Rome in an effort to exculpate himself). As the Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus recounted in his Annals of Imperial Rome (published just a generation after the fire): “Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.” (Annals, XV, 44) Nero illuminated his garden parties with Christians whom he burnt alive. Surely someone would have confessed the truth under the threat of such terrible pain. The fact is, however, we have no record of any early Christian denouncing the faith to end his suffering. Instead, we have multiple accounts of post-resurrection appearances and hundreds of eyewitnesses willing to suffer and die for it. If the disciples didn’t steal the body, how else do we explain the empty tomb? Some have suggested that Christ faked His death and later escaped from the tomb. This is patently absurd. According to the eyewitness testimony, Christ was beaten, tortured, lacerated, and stabbed. He suffered internal damage, massive blood loss, asphyxiation, and a spear through His heart. There is no good reason to believe that Jesus Christ (or any other man for that matter) could survive such an ordeal, fake His death, sit in a tomb for three days and nights without medical attention, food or water, remove the massive stone which sealed His tomb, escape undetected (without leaving behind a trail of blood), convince hundreds of eyewitnesses that He was resurrected from the death and in good health, and then disappear without a trace. Such a notion is ridiculous. The Fifth Line of Evidence for Christ's resurrection Finally, a fifth line of evidence concerns a peculiarity of the eyewitness testimony. In all of the major resurrection narratives, women are credited as the first and primary eyewitnesses. This would be an odd invention since in both the ancient Jewish and Roman cultures women were severely disesteemed. Their testimony was regarded as insubstantial and dismissible. Given this fact, it is highly unlikely that any perpetrators of a hoax in 1st Century Judea would elect women to be their primary witnesses. Of all the male disciples who claimed to see Jesus resurrected, if they all were lying and the resurrection was a scam, why did they pick the most ill-perceived, distrusted witnesses they could find? Dr. William Lane Craig explains, “When you understand the role of women in first-century Jewish society, what's really extraordinary is that this empty tomb story should feature women as the discoverers of the empty tomb in the first place. Women were on a very low rung of the social ladder in first-century Israel. There are old rabbinical sayings that said, 'Let the words of Law be burned rather than delivered to women' and 'blessed is he whose children are male, but woe to him whose children are female.' Women's testimony was regarded as so worthless that they weren't even allowed to serve as legal witnesses in a Jewish court of Law. In light of this, it's absolutely remarkable that the chief witnesses to the empty tomb are these women... Any later legendary account would have certainly portrayed male disciples as discovering the tomb - Peter or John, for example. The fact that women are the first witnesses to the empty tomb is most plausibly explained by the reality that - like it or not - they were the discoverers of the empty tomb! This shows that the Gospel writers faithfully recorded what happened, even if it was embarrassing. This bespeaks the historicity of this tradition rather than its legendary status." (Dr. William Lane Craig, quoted by Lee Strobel, The Case For Christ, Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1998, p. 293) “The evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.” www.gotquestions.org/why-believe-resurrection.html
@borrowed tomb Your argument is a straw man fallacy, Let's get back on track. How can you criticise another religion for falsehood, when there is no evidence for the divine claims made within Christianity?
@borrowed tomb Ad hominem attacks on the character of Joseph Smith and the morality of Jesus Christ stills doesn't provide any evidence of the divinity of Christianity. You need to face facts, You cannot provide any evidence for Christ being a divine being. You are essentially exercising blind faith, just as a Mormon does for the book of Mormon.
Chris Shearer Bart Ehrman himself acknowledges that all evidence supports that a Jesus's disciples believed he had risen from the dead, from the earliest days of the church. This, and the doctrine of the atonement are the firmest basis of Christianity from the beginning. After 30 years of dealing with doubt in the evidence to support the truth claims of Mormonism, I personally can appreciate the abundance of evidence of the historical claims of the Bible. The foundation evidence for Mormonism is not even comparable -- not anywhere close. Ad far as later doctrinal developments, Bart Ehrman's views are very relevant and should not be dismissed, by any serious investigator. You can no more assume that Christianity today is what it was originally than you could assume Mormonism is today what it was originally.
Funny how the church calls people who are thinking about going to the church investigators". Yet the church tells their members to avoid investigating. Under their breath of course.
I never heard anyone tell me not to investigate. I have studied books both for and against and after 50 years, I'm still a member. The church has absolutely nothing to fear from the garbage that is on this channel. Her knowledge is like kindergarten and her facts are not true. If you have some questions, start looking where there are real answers - I would suggest the BYU archives and scholars articles.
@@paulplumb6360 the LDS church's prophecies change like the wind. Does God ever change? No. So then the prophets must be false prophets and the doctrine not true. Also, the concept of salvation...LDS scripture and doctrine teach that you are saved by grace "after all you have done". So then you only receive saving grace by works. Except You can't earn your salvation by works. Biblical scripture is clear on that. If you believe the Bible to be true (as LDS members say they do), then you can't also believe Mormon scriptures. They are heavily in conflict with each other.
Speaking as a recently returned LDS missionary, we hear about the CES letter every 3-4 weeks. Believe me, we'd love to argue and show you why the CES letter is bunk. But we're specifically told not to do that. You won't get anywhere, because anything you say we've heard ten times before. We know the Book of Mormon is true because it's brought us closer to Christ. Alongside the Bible, it is the single greatest witness of Christ's divinity and mission. Through it, you can find peace if you follow its teachings. I know that for myself.
The good work of fraud? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
This is a really good rundown. You could edit it to show which sources you are quoting. Never doubt your own beliefs. And don't let anyone get you down
It's sad when you realize the CES letter is a plea for his life back! He desperately wants answers. I think the reality is there are lots of Mormons who don't care whether it's 'real' or not. They're content just rowing their boat downstream.
You're right, I'm a mormon who doesn't so much care whether it's "real" or not. But I'm not just rowing my boat downstream, I'm working hard on my life, my growth, trying to be better everyday. I'm on a path and it feels alive and amazing. Thanks to the LDS doctrine. I would be doing this regardless if it was real or not. But it is real.
Do your own homework! Jessie has published her own truth which is a fantastical tale. All the animals she states were not in pre-America, have been archeologically proven to have been in pre America during times and dates in the Mormon book.
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Thank you for your videos! As a believing member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I appreciate opposing views and welcome them with open arms. This video actually strengthens my testimony in the LDS church even more. All of the points that are brought up can be equally counter argued to show that the church is indeed true. Appreciate you and all the anti Mormon peeps. Keep the videos coming!
Oh, I forgot to tell you that you don't bashed and/or attack the believe system, and your major strength comes from just respectfully informing, All best
..well, see... at the very moment one attacks and/or bashes then in and itself the message is self defeated and he or she lacks credibility. Further, it is very easy to know that "mormonism" is nothing more than a mean to make money through the Internet. ...jeeee, srry but I am just speaking out pure reality..jeeee
Wrong, this is the exact definition of bashing and defaming someone's belief system and religious beliefs. If this Jesse made a video, "informing" people of Jewish beliefs and mocking their beliefs, people would EASILY see that it's anti-Semitic and pure bigotry. If she doesn't agree with our beliefs, that's perfectly fine, she can simply state, "I don't agree with their beliefs" and the talk about her own beliefs, we do this all of the time about other religions and their beliefs but we NEVER make videos, books, tracts or sermons on other people's beliefs, defaming and disparaging them, it's wrong and goes 100% against Jesus' teaching of not judging others.
Being a missionary is a great responsibility! The missionary must have great energy, fortitude and courage. Wherever the issionary goes, in whatever part of the world he is in, he must spread the Word. The local people must understand what the missionary is saying to them. The missionary must get the Word right to the people! Therefore, every missionary must know the language of the local people! To everyone who is going on a mission or preparing for one I would like to recommend a very good workshop by Yuriy Ivantsiv Polyglot Notes. Practical tips for learning foreign language. This excellent book will give you answers how to correctly learn a foreign language with a minimum of your time and effort. This book answers many of the questions that everyone faces when learning a language. Good luck with your important work!
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The 19th wife is a great source of information as well. B.Y had so many wives that he once was in town and introduced himself to a lady whom he had forgotten was actually already one of his wives. Imagine the look on his face and the recover from that.
@Amber Sanford! Priceless!
Hadn’t heard this one before! Classic!
mark twain did a little parody on that in the book roughing it. i didn't know it actually happened. rofl rofl
I cackled when I read what you wrote. Do you have a source?
Pimp Daddy Brigham 😂
Not an ex-Mormon, but I’m an ex-Jehovah’s Witness and they teach some crazy ass shit too
One of the things that JW&LDS have in common besides being from a nineteenth century spiritual seeker movement,Just like Mormon culture it has a strong history of shunning. I suppose the religious freedoms were the original cancel culture. Touché
@Kyree Grey you people know that hacking is illegal right? And this has nothing to do with the video y advertise something illegal rather if you feel your gf is not being honest rather than being sneaky n shady y not just ask her if she's comfortable with sharing her info with you and if not n you still have trust issues maybe get some professional help or just breakup/be friends rather than going down dark paths
@OTTO OCTAVIOUS yea that has worked so well🙄 Well mainly for the Arrogant old white heterosexual men at the top of a man made pyramid.
All reactionary, dogmatic, inhuman, discompassionate jerks claiming to be a follower of Christ are definitely rationalizing sociological shunning over Common sense and Love.
But then again what would I know about a story that has been rewritten and retold almost endlessly for the past two millenniums to placate bigots and sway the unthinking mouth breathing populous
Whatever you need to justify your inhumanity as humane to
I hope you have the true gospel.
I’m ex-lds & love studying all these weird cults. They’re entertaining af.
I remember my mom and dad sitting all of us down and reading this crap to us. Anytime they would come across something that didn’t make sense they would say “that proves the church is true“. I’d like to thank her for that because that is why I am no longer a Mormon. When you see other people learn of things like this and just keep trucking along in ignorance, it forces you awake.
Just believe because they want you brainwashed too cult. Stamp out doubt is common in cults
Yes . That is truth right there!
i am not mormon i feel the same way when tv keeps playing evolution video's now they have trex swimming like a whale
Jessie, I was born LDS and for years struggled with it. After 40 plus years I decided to leave it but it has such a grip on that you feel guilty for leaving. Your videos calm me down and make me understand I made the right decision. I sincerely like how honest you are about how you feel about the church and how easy you make it for people to understand they are a cult. Thank you!
Ex-Mo for five years, it is very interesting to be able to look at the Mormon church from the outside. I can't believe how deluded I was.
Christ is freedom. Guilt is demonic.
When you embrace the true God, Jesus Christ then guilt and fear and shame flee from you ✝️
God bless you.
hey brother Dan, you left the church too early! Have you heard about the plausible discoveries of Nahom and Bountiful from the Book of Mormon? Have you heard about all of the chiasmus in the BofM? Or how about the ocean drift rates between old and new worlds that line up PERFECTLY with the Jaredites journey from the Book of Ether? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
@@Ether-pb5gb there is no chiasmus in the bom thats a false theory moronists make up. It's horrid anachronistic things it's crappy Christian corrupted you points have nothing to do with the past it's LACMA nursing about Jews of the biblical texts it is already apparent it's pretty Masonic satanic usages its Corruption of the New Testament and contradictions they're so great a man contradictions within itself excetera excetera excetera it's Smith put himself into the text to which makes it laughably hilariously proven is a fraud like himself
@@yaruqadishi8326 no chiasmus? I didn't realize that you dropped out of 6th grade.
I love your channel, Jessie! I too left Mormonism to embrace the Lord Jesus and be born again. May your videos have God's blessings and reach many souls!
Do you know where that born again thing came from? It started with the "Great Reformation.' Read about that. That idea was not taught before then.
Now it's time for you to research Christianity and leave that cult as well.
I am Lakota and a ex Mormon.What Kimball said about Native Americans turned me away.I am a Christian and what you said is true.
Dude
I answered the DNA queation and they deleted it. They dont want the truth. You are trusting them though
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You are now a True Warrior! A Lakota Warrior for the one True God
What did he say?
Idk if Native Americans are descendants from Israel or not. I don’t care but logically thinking it’s like why would native Americans use a land bridge or ice bridge? 10000 years ago the ocean literally was 400 feet down. Massive sites like Easter island you could the visit massive sites now under water.
Or some say the Olmecs are Chinese which explain the flatter face as the Chinese fled their homeland to avoid genocide. It’d be possible for Chinese to travel by boat coming and going to Mexico.
Watch the movie kontiki. A guy builds a raft and sails from Latin America to Polynesia
My husband and I just left the Mormon church and your videos, including this one have really solidified my choice and helped me to be sure that I had made the right one.
Thank you!
I hope you haven't given up on God altogether! The Mormon god is false but the real God is not! Glad to hear that you left the LDS church but praying that you will find Jesus!
It's Me Jessie absolutely not! My relationship with God is honestly stronger than ever! Daily Bible study and so much prayer has made a huge difference! Also, really enjoyed your Good Friday video yesterday! ❤️
@@harleylamay1306 Oh, praise the Lord!!! 💕
Praise the Lord!!!
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I pray to Christ Jesus that He leads all the good people out of the LDS church ❤️
Amen!
And I pray to Cthulu that he will lead all the good people out of Christianity
Jesus Christ said to pray to the Father.
Great video!
I grew up Mormon and then at about the age of 30 I left it. It's all thanks to my own study of the church, the CES Letter, and wonderful TH-camrs like yourself!!
Thank you for all you do!
If you left the church because of the CES letter, then you don't know much and you haven't studied much. I have studied both for and against books for over 50 years. This lady doesn't even know the basic doctrines of the church. Talk about the blind leading the blind - she fits the bill.
And what is amazing is that the CES Letter is just a poorly researched exhaustive list of almost every bogus accusation leveled at the church from the past. It is like Jeremy Runnells is trying to just throw everything up on the wall to see what sticks. And the deeper you get into this letter it is just one blatant misrepresentation and fabrication after another. I am totally amazed that anyone gives it any credence at all. It is really that phony; no exaggeration. And like most of his contemporaries in the past, Jeremy Runnells is making his living promoting this work of fiction. Here is a reply to the CES Letter that goes through it point by point putonstrength.com/ces-letter/
The institution is flawless, good and righteous, restored. $100 billion, well let that accumulate until the end, when Armageddon or apocalypse happens. That's why we don't or why we just spend that money. K?
The Mormon Church, the Institution, Christian institution is flawless, just a few behaviors, human behaviors, your judging because of sinners?
Don't be afraid to see what it's about, nothing bad about it.
Paul Plumb Arguments for or against the church do not make it true or false. The truth is that the church / religion / god is false. There is no truth to your imaginary god or the prophets, the book of mormon, or the priesthood. Don't blind yourself to the reality of the world and life with bullshit dogma.
@@DavidN831 The truth hurts
Mormonism and Islam are so alike in many ways. Polygamy, angel with a true book from heaven, wives in heaven, salvation by works, etc, etc, etc.
True, except Islam is monotheistic (one god) & Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion (uncoutable gods)
Both are derived from the Abrahamic Covenant plus 11 other nations yet to be revealed.
All religions are fucked up
I am not a Muslim, though I have studied Islam, I cannot speak for Mormonism as I have not studied its theology that much, but from my understanding salvation as it is understood within christianity does not apply to Islam as within Islam there is no belief in the innate depravity of man, one achieves jannah (paradise) only through the complete submission to god, abandoning all false idols, and living in accordance with that which is halal (permitted by god). In regards to polygamy within Islam, I am not declaring any moral judgement upon it simply stating context, it is a result of the polygamy of pre-islamic arabia, and in fact limited the polygamy of its time. Islam would not state that an angel gave Muhammad a true book from heaven, but that the angel Gabriel spoke the word of god to Muhammad, which he would recite for scribes to write down, through a period 23 years of revelation. The wives in not stated within the Quran, though there are mistranslations, and it regarded by muslims in a variety of ways.
You wrong
I think the CES letter is one of the primary reasons that LDS members are leaving the church in large numbers. Thank you Jeremy Runnells! His "excommunication" video is on TH-cam. The absolute highlight is when HE excommunicates THEM from his life! Joseph Smith, being a prophet and all, still did not foresee the damage the Internet would do to the LDS church. Mike Norton over at his NewNameNoah channel has actual filming of all of the Mormon temple rituals. Well worth watching. Thanks Jessie for bringing this letter to the forefront!
Yes, I've seen both channels! The internet can be used for so much good! I'm thrilled it's pouring truth into LDS member's lives about their beliefs!
@Hale Hafa I'm curious as to what your thinking is on "I have a sure witness that this gospel is of God." Do you mean your testimony? I question this because a few years back I had a friend (not a member of any religion---she questioned all of them and thought they were all "bogus") who was approached by Muslims. They challenged her to read the Koran (Qu'ran) and pray and ask God if Islam was true after reading it. She did and she said God "absolutely" spoke to her heart that it was true and she converted. She is a very devout Muslim to this day. At one time I also had a neighbor who was a Pentecostal. (and somewhat obnoxious about it---I got tired of hearing it)! The Jehovah's Witnesses came to her house and challenged her to read the Watchtower literature and pray about whether it was God's organization on Earth. She told them she was absolutely convinced that the JW's were a "cult" and she refused to accept their literature.Her "hope" however was to convert THEM. For whatever reason they kept coming back to her house to talk (she was a very nice person) and eventually she said there was "absolutely" a convincing testimony from God telling her she needed to convert and become a Jehovah's Witness. (Then I had to hear all about her conversion experience over and over!) I was glad we moved! LOL My point is that many adherents to many different religions on this planet get a "testimony" of the truth of their beliefs and a "supernatural" knowledge that "IT " is the true church. They can't all be correct, can they? So how do you believe they "know" this???
Well, the tree of knowledge, was the first warning, to partake of the fruit was the cause of after, so as on schedule, many will stray and it's for the same reasons, but this time it's the cloud of knowledge. Ironically it just so happens to partake of the Apple iPhone or Computer.
Is that a coincidence, the internet has caused this spit spurt of Athism, Flat Earthers and now those against the churches, more so, the LDS.
Now able to see the second coming of Christ. There was a time when the old timers were told, we'd be able to see things at the same time over the entire earth. Wasn't possible, but they held their faith and here we are, it's possible now.
They said, we'd be hearing Trumpets, are we? Trump/Pence. A bloodless brain of deception, it's what the internet is, it has so many truths, but out weighed by false notions about the truths.
That money the LDS does not spend, is not for now, it's for that moment that's to come and everybody knows what that is. I would not want want that money being spent niether, it's too much of a resk, Prophet Monson took none of it, but yet made sure it's still accumulating, not for him, but for survivers. Like they said then, " don't believe everything you see on TV, "☝ that goes for the internet aswell.
Every decade had its tribulations, everyone was worst than the other, Now we're experiencing not a century's tribulation nor a decade's, but a millennium 's, as on schedule, people still don't understand, we're witnessing tribulation, look at the news, or is it just fantasy?
@Hale Hafa Do you believe that the death of Jesus on the cross is the full and only atonement for the remission on sin? That, as Ephesians tells us, we are saved by grace, thru faith (and that not of us, but a gift of God), not works, lest anyone should boast? Do you believe, as we are told in Deuteronomy, that there is no god but God, nay not one? Or do you believe you must complete the ordinances and that you may also be a god someday? You can't have both.
CES letter was debunked, it’s nothing more than a lie that can’t even quote their sources right. It also changes quotes to best serve it. I feel sad for all who got tricked by it.
I enjoy seeing all the posts from ex-mormons. I’ve been studying to book of mormon and comparing it to the Bible. This video and the CES letters have saved me so much time
The Bible doesn't prove the accuracy of the BOM because it supersedes the Bible in knowledge about salvation. Your comparison therefore was a futile attempt to find the truth, if that was actually your purpose. Your comment above looks more like a cheap attempt to state that the Bible is the fulness of the gospel, which is what Protestant believe. I think your just a lying Protestant trying to convince us that your were a Mormon.
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Please don’t be a hypocrite and critically judge the Book of Mormon and then just magically sssume the Bible is true. I hate that. So many leave Mormonism and yell praise Jesus im saved and then never critically study the Bible:
It’s like Moses was commanded to commit genocide against Canaan. Abraham and jacob etc practiced polygamy. Magic happens and Moses the magician turns stick into snake.
Thank you! I’m a believer in Christ and I’ve been looking for someone good to listen to on this topic!🌸
Studying the Church through the eyes of its defectors is like interviewing Judas to understand Jesus... Neal a Maxwell
If you wanna to know the Truth I request you to attend lds church and study by yourself slowly and gradually and truth will be manifested
@@dalipgupta8275 I’ve been doing some studying on The Mormons and Joseph Smith!
@@melissaamoroso2205 hmmmm plz do and I'm sure you will know the real and complete truth 😊 I Investigated for almost five years then I got baptised. definitely no Way any church any organization can survive in those circumstances without divine help. There is another you tube channel saint unscripted I request plz check
@@melissaamoroso2205 Joseph Smith is a false prophet
Another great video, I have an old lds book from the early 60s. Pre priesthood, called “The Church and the Negro” I’m sure the church wouldn’t want to see or even acknowledge the book nowadays...
Hello send to her for video! May as well expose it. Racism is least of issues with LDS. Everything else
In the mid 70's Morman missionaries came to my home. They were using a book to tell about LDS founding. They turned to a page where a lightning bolt came down and blackened a man's skin. This they said was why Black people could not hold the priesthood. They explained they were marked with the sin of Cain. I will NEVER forget that. I said, "Wait a minute. This is not the God I know. " Some years later I read the NAACP went after them. Followed by their "prophet " receiving divine prophecy to allow them into the priesthood. They stopped polygamy when the US president said they would come in and shut them down. Just like the sin of Cain, the prophet at the time received a divine message to end polygamy. End of polygamy came before the end of the sin of Cain. There are so many other things to point out. I know it must be very difficult to be brought up believing this made up religion. There are good religions with bad people and bad religions with good people. When you can't ask questions that's a big red flag. Seek the faith that brings you closest to Christ.
I'm so glad I rejected the lds! I took a look into their belief system and was appalled. So much crap that they endorse. No thanks!
in 2022, I went and spent a whole month in Utah for sport training and I was intrigued by the whole Mormon thing so I started researching the LTS and came across the CES letter, and I found it to be such an amazing read... My hat goes off to Jeremy Runnells for prioritizing truth and fighting for what is objective true.
My journey out of Mormonism started when they changed the temple ceremony. If the priesthood and it's Temple rights were restored by God, why change them?
Cause they were touching girls stomachs
You need to understand principles of truth and the practice of it- they are different. To say it’s not true because of the changes is like saying when Jesus taught more commandments and changed the old law to the new that the new is not wrong... bad logic
because times change and conditions change. What may work best in one time may not be the best in another time. In fact many things were changed by God going from old testament times to New Testament times.
@IYearn4HisReturn what who told me?
@IYearn4HisReturn why is it evil?
Was also a CES (or S&I) employee for 26 years. I'm aware of the points raised in the CES letter and completely agree with his analysis. I, too, left my employment and the church after learning of several inconsistencies in the church's claims when we were tasked to look at how to respond to criticisms against the church. Major issues were: the DNA study that determined the origin of the native American Indians; Joseph Smith's philandering which he got away with by instituting "plural marriage" but the worst part of it was his marrying the wives of other men, some of whom were faithful elders sent on missions overseas, all against the guidelines issued in D&C 132 and nowhere like the plural marriages of Old Testament prophets cited as justification for the practice; origin of the temple signs, tokens, symbols, and attire; Wilford Woodruff's explanation for the 1890 Manifesto which basically admitted the government's authority over God; and the bogus translation of the Book of Abraham; to name just a few.
You only need one false claim to destroy the Church's claim of divine sanction. But to have so many makes it pretty obvious.
But none of them are the "gotcha" they claim to be.
1. DNA happens to get bottle knocked and populations die off. Not to mention, we don't know what Jewish DNA looked like back then
2. Plural marriage was instituted. But Joseph was commanded to and sealing were often just sealing. Nothing more than a religious ceremony. The whole book of Abraham translation thing has been debunked as well. No argument has ever been a home run because more and more information comes out to disprove these silly ideas. I have studied alot of anti. I still know that this is the true church. Not only that but I challenge you to make a book like the book of mormon. You can't, because Joseph Smith is a prophet.
I have followed your ministry for some time! Thank you for your boldness and for speaking the truth! God Bless you!!
Because the CES letter is SOOOO full of truth, right? Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......careful. Lots of people don't want you to watch this...th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
Thankyou so much!!! I came out in 2021/2022. I too now a born again Christian ❤❤❤
I left the church as a teenager because I couldn't make sense of anything. I was gaslit and abused because of it, and yet here we are, with others who came to the truth.
Good on you. If you've been gaslit and abused for leaving then you can assure yourself you've done the right thing.
I only hope you still believe in God and hopefully Jesus. I left the church about 8 years ago and no regrets whatsoever. Mormonism has alot of good stuff but it ain't the one and only true church. They struggle to provide simple answers to very pertinent questions and their historical truth claims are a major problem for them.
Many many more will leave and their dogmatism will not go down well for them.
I stopped going when I was about 17. I don't recall the last time I went (I'm 37 now). Luckily I wasn't abused or anything like that, but something had definitely happened to my older sister and I don't know what. She was all about the church until she was about 24-25. Then she stopped going, and lived a normal life. Anytime the church would get brought up in conversation she would change the topic and visually be uncomfortable. Unfortunately my sister passed recently due to cancer, but one of the things she told her husband was that she didn't want the church doing anything at her grave or funeral or anything. I'm going down the rabbit hole now, as I hadn't really thought of anything church related and I'm getting more and more angry at myself and my family who brought me into that life for being so susceptible to these blatant made up things. I'm hoping to find some kind of peace in this educational journey because I never found peace in that church. I'm very sorry to hear that you were abused, and I hope if you haven't already that you find your peace.
Grew up Mormon and gay, it was horrible and I felt isolated. I left the church and came out when I was 20. After I had served an 11 month mission, I couldn’t finish because it was so hard to be gay and constantly with another guy who I was attracted to but teach people that what I was, was evil. I have come out and I have a beautiful fiancé and I am happy. Though I still struggle with spirituality and what comes after we die. I’m still happier than I was when I was in the church or should I say Mormon cult
Congrats!
Yeah, I remember leaving the church about 4 months back, and I was attending for six months, but later, God got ahold of me and told me that the LDS church is not the way to heaven. He did tell me we are saved by grace through faith, and that's all (ephesians 2:8-9) so it can be comforting to know that even though I mess up and we all do, we can still make it to heaven if we put our trust in Jesus alone for salvation.
So, you are a pervert and take pride in your actions that God himself has condemned in no uncertain terms in both the Old and New Testaments - way before the Church ever existed. Very sad.
Were you molested by a male when you were a child? How much pornography did you consume? At what age did you start? I have a good friend that is a therapist. She said that in treating over 3000 cases over the last 20+ years she has not met one homosexual that was either 1) not molested as a child or 2) did not consume pornography.
If you were molested, get help. It's out there and the damage can be reversed. If you brought this on yourself by consuming porn, get help. This is only slightly different than guys who view straight porn and find it impossible to be monogamous. Their lack of chastity and self control can be addressed in therapy. Your lack of chastity and self control can likewise be addressed. To be ok settling with the Telestial Kingdom should not be ok. You deserve better than that. Good luck overcoming your challenges.
@@erikmartinez6726
So everything that Peter, James and John wrote is superceded by what Paul wrote??? 🤦♂️ You do know that Peter, James and John were the First Presidency and that Paul was never a member of the Twelve Apostles, right? Paul was a great missionary, but his letters to various Bishops were never meant to be doctrine for the whole Church. I am sticking with what Peter, James and John wrote - that Faith without works is dead, and that we show our faith by our works.
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Jessie - Been subscribed for some time now and I dont know how I missed this one . I have read about bits and pieces on the info in this video ,, but this is the first time ive heard it all at once .. I took alot of notes and will re-watch this many times to get more . You can plainly see that your labor is not in vain by the many comments of Mormons coming to faith in the REAL Jesus of our Holy Bible . I use all your info I have seen along with my points of fact to reveal truth to Mormons I have known for years .. God bless and keep you safe Jessie ...
The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
This video is extremely helpful thank you. This plus No Man Knows My History really hit the bullseye and settle so much of the basics
Always meant to tell you this story, about 3 years ago while painting my house this video started playing after I finished a general conference talk, thanks algos, I didnt even finish the video but I downloaded the CES letter read it all that night and the next morning I was done with mormonism after 37 years, 2 temple marriage, full time mission, eagle scout, and blessing my first child in the church. Since that day I have never set a foot in a mormon church, but I am a happy athiest now and my family is doing so well. thanks for your video it 100% chance the course of my life by complete accident.
So many pages constituting the ces letter are hugely lacking in any truth whatsoever. Every person impacted negatively by the ces letter must seek after truth from credible sources. Further, everyone must follow Mor 10 : 4,5. You must ask the Holy Ghost to give you spiritual confirmation.
The CES letter opens up so many possibilities. I thank Jeremy so much for writing it! It has saved so many lives!
@@blizzard2ooAs if the letter has negative impact
Sorry you were deceived by false teachings. In the gospels, it tells us to not be deceived. Jesus said many false Christ's would come, false teachers....especially in the last days. God loves you, and jesus did die for the whole world. Repent, believe in Jesus. and follow Him!
Ferguson was the reason I left 6 years ago. See the Bible as a guide to life and not a religion. The Bible is all you need and through it you will know Jesus and who he really is. Faith is personal. Establish your own relationship with God. The Jesus in the BOM is not the Jesus of the Bible.
Well Said!
@@ebear6555 No, a delusion cannot be well said. The thing is a proven deception. Anti Mormons are delusionalists using trickery .
The CES letter has no invitation to search for Jesus in the Bible or gain a testimony of him by Prayer. Instead it’s leading the reader to abandon faith and make the search for God illogical. Christians that followed Jesus shared the Gospel with love for both the Jew and Gentile. Brother Runnels insults and counter on his blog are not Christ like in any form. Christians propogating this are doing more harm to the faith based community than good
Easily found online (there are several several PDF versions), “The CES Letter” by Jeremy Runnells poses a lot of questions regarding contradictory information regarding Mormon doctrines and the Book of Mormon.
Also easily found online, "A Faithful Reply to the CES Letter by a Former CES Employee," by Jim Bennett. It answers every question that Jeremy Runnells asks.
canonizer.com/files/reply.pdf
@@ConnorSmith-lh7uw no it doesn't answer it's a start with false conclusions and make stuff up so no way that incorrect but it's all so laughably wrong so no and I thought he did blong more on his some this video does too so did you actually watch the video or are you just scared
@@ConnorSmith-lh7uw You have been pwnd.
I read the CES letters and prayed to FEEL if they were true, yes.
The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
@@Ether-pb5gb more like fraudulent like your face.
Your words are fraudulent. That video is flooded with shit and lies to cover to satanic Lies.
@@Ether-pb5gb Yes these videos also prove the CES letter a fraud. TH-cam "LDS transaction law suit part 1,2,3,4," So far thousands have came to debunk it and cannot.
@@paulgregersen3570 Joseph Smith is a false prophet
@@paulgregersen3570 the book of abraham and book of mormon are a fraud and a hoax. They are totally false. They are nonsense and full of stupidity. American are not Jewish descendants but they are native American indian who are from asia .
Good video Jessie. Fun fact. Jessie was “my new name” that the Mormons gave me in the temple. I went on a Mormon mission to the Bible Belt. So I’ve heard a lot of Christians arguing points against Mormons. Kudos to u for staying out of that. When that happens Mormons just roll their eyes. What u did by sharing these highlights kept any Mormons watching instead of just rolling their eyes. God job. U also seem really knowledgeable about Mormonism. Good job doing good research.
Since losing my faith I’ve become an agnostic. I can’t bring myself to believe that an all powerful being, capable of anything, made a plan that required his son to be tortured and die. And then for only a minority of his children to return to live with him. I can’t believe that a Jewish person who is an amazing human will go to hell cuz they don’t believe in Christ but a horrible person who says a prayer and “accepts Christ” goes to heaven. Sorry. If there is a god. And that’s his plan. I can’t worship that god. Ironically you’d say that god is good and all loving. But any parent who does something like this you’d also say is a horrible parent. I just can’t. If it’s bad for me to do that to my kids I can’t worship a god that does that.
Some persons never hear of Christ. Others are prejudiced against Christianity because of the bad example given by Christians, and because of this "invincible prejudice" they never accept Christianity. Nevertheless, if they hold themselves to moral conduct, repent when they slip, and believe in a just God, God will take them into heaven. I was taught this in a Catholic high school in the late 1950s--and also, of course, that God prefers everyone to be Catholic though he isn't a hardass about it. Much more humane than some evangelical doctrine. I left Catholicism because of disagreements on other matters.
Has the Mormon church addressed the CES letter and talked about it with their members? I tried telling my family about it and they said they’re afraid to read it because of the temple question on affiliating with “anti Mormon” groups.
Jessie is wrong do your own homework because she is not! She is incorrect about 99%. Of what she says. There is no history of wheat in pre-America because it wasn’t recorded it’s known that we don’t know how long wheat has been in America because American Indians did not make records and neither did the people before them.
@tapir rider you are only versed in being rude. I doubt you got past 6th grade.
Old world barley:
ediblesouthwestcolorado.com/ancient-barley-an-old-world-grain-receives-modern-attention/
@tapir rider
www.supportingevidences.net/wheat-corn-barley-neas-and-she/
@tapir rider what can you tell me about the falseness of this report?
www.supportingevidences.net/wheat-corn-barley-neas-and-she/
@tapir rider you have absolutely no proof that barley was not on this land just like you don’t have proof of half the stuff that happened in the Bible but you believe that don’t you?
Indeed there is no argument at NASA regarding the starbase "Kolob" - Smith's book was clever but simply a prop for a con.
@Mike Kebbingler Fascinating. What other things, such as Zelph, Mahanroymorryanchemorh, and Zarrahemlah, was Joe Smith capable of? They were all figments of his plump imagination.
@Mike Kebbingler Wow! A planet? How do you know this?
@Mike Kebbingler No, Joseph claimed in the Book of Abraham that Heavenly Father lives on a planet next to the STAR Kolob. Also, that our sun gets it's light from Kolob.
@Mike Kebbingler Agreed. He was middle-eastern, so he looked the part.
What is kolob? A planet or sunstar?
Excellent summary. God bless your work.
We need you. Glad you have picked up the gauntlet to open many eyes. Mormons can not go to anyone in the church to ask question due to ramifications.
not true, questions are human and welcome
Not true, at all! Latter-day Saints can go to numerous people in the church to ask questions and can get any answer they need. Ultimately, the best answers come from God, himself, the source of all truth. Be honest when you write stuff.
@@RussellFineArt I politely disagree. When I had tough questions, my church leaders made sure to let me know I was engaging in dangerous behavior (seeking truth) and they didn't have answers to the questions I had. Also, emotions/feelings (i.e. praying to God) are not a reliable method to establish truth. Analysis of historical evidence such as court records, journals, and other primary documents reveal much more about what actually happened than praying for an answer will.
For example, this is one of my questions. Why was Emma the 23rd woman to be sealed to Joseph Smith? After all, I had been raised my whole life in the church; primary, sunday school, seminary, mission. I knew so much Mormon history, right? Emma was Joseph's first and only wife, right? So I expected her to be the only one. But why was she the 23rd? My Bishop and SP said the answer wasn't pertinent to my salvation. Other members didn't even know Joseph Smith was a polygamist (polygyny and polyandry) and said I was mistaken. Praying, of course, didn't give me an answer. So I had to study the actual history. I found out about all of Joseph Smith's prior intimate encounters with women and it all made sense now. To maintain the illusion of a prophet, he needed people to think he was righteous, so the women needed to be sworn to secrecy. What a better way than creating a new ordinance called "celestial marriage," which was too "holy" for the women to talk about? Even to each other? For example, the Partridge Sisters were both married to Joseph independently of each other. Also, when Joseph got Emma to finally give in, she picked the Partridge sisters. He was "sealed" to them AGAIN at a later date because Emma didn't know about the first sealings, which he kept secret from her.
So basically he used sealings as a way to amass wives and keep them silent. If it really had anything to do with love and eternal families, he would have gotten sealed to Emma first and foremost. But that's not what happened. And no one at church is going to admit to you that this is the reason.
I can go on and on.
@@garrettrichards5559 Thanks for your reply, Garrett. Give me the names of who told you not to research church history, I'll chew 'em out! :) Yeah, not sure why anyone would say to not research church, Bible or any history as you can learn a lot, however, being an historian myself and having thoroughly research church history, I can honestly say, there has been a tremendous amount written about church history that is not accurate, comes only from opinion and speculation or is purposefully intended to lie about our church history and characters. And some church history we just don't understand as the records are either too scant and not given enough detail. It can be difficult to find what's actually true, especially since we don't have the characters here to testify themselves. Regarding the Partridge sisters and Emma, we know from scant records that Emma was opposed to plural marriage, of any kind, when Joseph first talked about it and began to act upon it, however, we don't have any records of who was sealed to Joseph Smith nor exact dates. That may sound like a cop out but, it's true, we can speculate but, we don't know exactly who was married or sealed to Joseph Smith and when, other than Joseph and Emma's civil marriage, which we have court records of. We have journal entries and notes after the events and many of them, long after the events of temple sealings, but we have no Nauvoo temple records of Joseph Smith's marriages. We know, from personal testimony, of several of the spiritual wives of Joseph Smith, in the church vs. Fed. Gov't on plural marriage, which my own great-great grandfather, George Reynolds, represented the church at, that several of these women Joseph had been sealed and married to, in the Nauvoo temple, had sexual relations with him, all who had not been civilly married to another man or where underage (under 18). Who was sealed to Joseph when, is speculation as we just don't know. We have various records which often contradict each other or are unsubstantiated. Either way, we know that Joseph Smith taught plural marriage by way of commandment from God but have little details of how it was carried out, until the 1850's Utah period, when it became public.
Likewise, we have no details exactly why Abraham, the ancient prophet, killed innocent people, why he practiced polygamy, why Moses killed a man, practiced polygamy and ordered the genocidal killing of thousands of innocent people to steal their lands. There's A LOT of scant historical accounts we just don't know all of the details of, which is why I suggested to pray for the answers. Sure, you can research but as an old college professor once told me, history is just that; his story, meaning, the story someone tells, which may become an historical account is the story or one person that's likely biased to fit their narrative.
I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, just like Peter, Isaiah, Moses and the others listed in the Bible and I believe he did the best he could with what he knew and that we know only some of what he knew. I spent years not active in the church, attending other churches and studying many other religions and philosophies and couldn't give a tiny rat's butt about the church, however, I had a friend rail agains the church one day and it's leaders, which I thought was unfair and flat-out wrong, as I knew he was lying. I decided to read the Book of Mormon, as an adult, which I had never done and never cared to, and prayed to know if it was true or just a hoax, like my friend said it was and I got a powerful answer, an audible one, that it was true and that the church was true. Not what I had expected. I was bothered by some of the church history, especially polygamy and banning the priesthood to some so I began researching, over 30 years ago, traveling to: New York, Ohio, Missouri, Illinois and Salt Lake City, where I wasn't from, to church sites, church records and critical books. I found as I mentioned earlier, there is scant records or no records of some of the things I was researching but a TON of opinions from others. I found the only source of real truth is from God and have faith that I'll learn everything I need, some day. I know that the church and its leaders have done a tremendous amount of good in the world, have fed and clothed millions of people, have taught good principles and have done their level best to help others and do their best. Neither Joseph Smith nor any other church leader is perfect and neither am I but they have done their very best and are guided by God. Kind of like rolling a car tire down a street, it will get off track, wobble a bit, nearly tip over at times but eventually, gets to the right destination with good guidance. Please read the scriptures, keep researching and don't forget to pray! God bless
@@RussellFineArt when I was an investigator for nearly 4 months, I had questions. Sometimes it was met with polite change of subject or the casual "you have so much to learn, worry about that stuff later once you grasp the core". It seemed an excuse to push the question away.
Other questions I noticed seem to annoy active members with harsh statements telling me that "if you are looking for issues don't waste our time". These gruff replies were brutal and awkward. Fortunately, that was from a select few.
The Mormon missionaries that were assigned to me often played "good cop / bad cop" one being very kind and supportive, the other often 2nd guessing why I was asking certain questions.
The 3 of us spent lots of time together. We visited the Smith Farm (I'm only 15 miles away from Palmyra, NY) and the Book Publishing building. The history was fascinating. Shame these 2 guys finished their trip. The new missionaries were not as educated or as friendly and I lost interest as an investigator and did my own homework.
I have been watching Exmolex. She grew up mormon and several family generations back original mormon. Her stories are really fascinating, however, she is now an atheist. I am so happy to know you are a born again Christian.
Linda, I feel the opposite. Exmolex has done so well by waking up and smelling the forbidden coffee, opening her eyes to all the bullshit in fantasy religions the world over. Sadly, Jess isn't there yet, she is still clinging to something.
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Exmolex will not only destroy your body she will also destroy your soul .. I repeat she will destroy your soul
Good detailed list of errors in the BofM. Once you see those, it's easy to see the same type of errors in the PofGP and bible. I respect that some need to believe in something greater, but they have to turn a blind eye to an awful lot of evidence.
Thank you so so much for this video. Although I love Mormon stories and RFM I don’t have the attention span to sit through long form videos that go on for hours and hours discussing the CS letters. I appreciate you giving me the cliff notes version.😀
I wasn't born into Mormonism but I have learned so much from your channel. Hopefully I will be able to speak to any Mormons I may meet in the future with compassion and intelligence. Thanks for all your work. Also, you so pretty. Free compliment :).
You should do one on why Mormonism is racism..for those of us that are mixed..thanks
Already did! And more to come cause this one only scratches the surface!
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@@itsmejessie oh awesome..I missed that one..thank you!
"I will remark with regard to slavery, inasmuch as we believe in the Bible, inasmuch as we believe in the ordinances of God, in the Priesthood and order and decrees of God, we must believe in slavery. This colored race have been subjected to severe curses, which they have in their families and their classes and in their various capacities brought upon themselves. And until the curse is removed by Him who placed it upon them, they must suffer under its consequences; I am not authorized to remove it. I am a firm believer in slavery." (Prophet Brigham Young in the Joint Session of the Legislature, January 1852)
“From the days of the Prophet Joseph even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel. Furthermore, your ideas, as we understand them, appear to contemplate the intermarriage of the Negro and White races, a concept which has heretofore been most repugnant to most normal-minded people from the ancient patriarchs till now. God’s rule for Israel, His Chosen People, has been endogamous. Modern Israel has been similarly directed. We are not unmindful of the fact that there is growing tendency, particularly among some educators, as it manifests itself in this area, toward the breaking down of race barriers in the matter of intermarriage between whites and blacks, but it does not have the sanction of the Church and is contrary to Church doctrine.” (LDS First Presidency (George Albert Smith), letter to Virgil H. Sponberg (critic of the anti-black ban), May 5, 1947)
@@kkheflin3 yep. That curdled my milk too. Native Americans were also called Lamanites too. Pry recall that too. Lots of intentional abuse like that.
I had most of these questions in my mind from the age of ~10. I'm 38 now. 28 years of just accepting the answer 'it just is'. Nope, Mormonism is NOT Christian and is entirely based on lies by a greedy man who had greedy followers.
The LDS church is just a large corporation like Exxon or Disney masquerading as a church.
When you look into how much money they've spent on vanity projects you'll be shocked
@@choicemeatrandy6572 oh like what lol I wonder if you are talking bout the mall? Which helped save the economy and didn’t come from tithes?
@@jt2481 What percentage of those tithes go into helping people and not aforementioned vanity projects/buying apple stock?
@@choicemeatrandy6572 it would help if you listed what are the vanity projects you mention. Im not sure what exactly youre bringing up.
@@jt2481 I'm talking about how much money the lds church pours into buying stocks or buying private farm land in comparison to what they actually give.
Thanks to you putting this out I had the thought to get History of the Church (I am not a Mormon/LDS whatever) just a Bible believing Christian... SO I am glad that you gave me the "address" for the many wives. @18:54 (Time stamp for me to refer back to when the books come in)
Thank you for sharing your knowledge on these topics and for your courage to say these truths. My best friend is Mormon and it is so hard to watch her be held in chains by this religion and never feel "worthy". Hopefully one day she will see the truth as you have.
Same! My closest friends are Mormon and so many of them feel like this
You seen to be sincere,
Thank you
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Great to hear from a Bible Believing Christian.
The bible isn't real either. They are all man made books of fiction.
@@blahtime99 Another LIE perpetrated by those who have lost their Faith, they must DESTROY everyone else's!
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@@Agenda21Truth1 How is that a lie? There is 0 evidence for the bible's historical accuracy.
@@blahtime99 Why are you HELL-BENT on Destroying peoples Faith? Why don't you go on your merry way & leave people alone? It doesn't mount to a hill of beans or make a difference in your day to day life, so why not let it alone? I refuse to debate you on the subject because It won't effect your view of it, but the Truth will be known in The End, & we'll both know it then!✝️🙏🏼
Physical EVIDENCE for The Bible's teachings. th-cam.com/video/oQd-fdpq9mk/w-d-xo.html
@@Agenda21Truth1 You mean you won't because you have ZERO evidence. It's sad that you can't offer even a speck of evidence for something that you are basing your life on. And no, quoting the bible doesn't count as evidence.
Thank you for this highlight reel. Also, thank you for your message/mini-testimony at the end - that takes a lot of courage and I admire your sincerity and faith
Born into it, it took me a few decades to find the truth. Frankly, I consider myself lucky. My parents weren't devout and I wasn't "properly indoctrinated" as a child. It's culty, authoritarian and patriarchal and uses thought suppression and guilt. Not a fan.
Rational guy, I can prove to you that your church is as false as a 3 dollar bill. Do you want me to prove it to all our readers?
@@robertmelcher904 I'm perfectly aware that Mormonism and all religions are false. They are simply myth and superstitions that people still believe. What did I say that led you to think I have a religion??
@@utah133 if you are an atheist, i invite you to refute a syllogism titled BOOK OF MORMON DEBUNKS ATHEISM. Do you accept my invitation?
@@utah133 Hey! Many people who leave the LDS church turn to atheism because they are so angry and feel so much betrayal for being lied to all of their lives! I was raised in the church from birth in 1954 until I left in 1992. For a long while I felt the same. Then one book changed my life. "Evidence That Demands A Verdict" by Josh McDowell. Give it a read.
@@kkheflin3 I'm not mad at all. Clear, logical thinking pretty much verifies that there's probably no God and that no religion is true.
Great work, Jessie! You are doing awesome work for God's Kingdom. Yah bless you always.........
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Very thorough research. I wish my sister and brother would be convinced of this information. I need to pray they will.
Patty Farb I am in the same place. Witnessed to my brother and sister in law that the BOM was false. Asked them to just look into it like we are called in the Bible (to test all things). He said, “I guess we will see who is right when we die” 😢
@@jennifernewland1851 you might share this link with them comparing the Bible to the BOM. It's very long but very well put together in my opinion. th-cam.com/video/3OE2jyEMNWI/w-d-xo.html
@@kkheflin3 I just watched the video. The most chilling part was the Blood Atonement. How awful was this practice. This history should be revealed to everyone in TV movie so that everyone the world over can see the cruel, evil, cult tactics at work in Mormonism.
I just downloaded the CES Letter to my Kindle app from the website for easy access and reading.
AMEN TO YOUR FAITH AND BELIEF IN GOD ALMIGHTY AND OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. GOD BLESS YOU.
I have read the CES Letter. In honesty I felt these were all very legitimate questions concerning Church doctrine, I was a TBM up to age 50, I lost my belief in the church while studying about church history and the Book of Abraham what started out as a spiritual journey, with the idea of being faith promoting. The life of Joseph Smith and the Book of Abraham became a wrecking ball to what I felt to be a strong testimony. Now I have come to the conclusion that all religion is crap. I no desire to believe in holy books or holy men. I am done with religion. I still believe that there is a God, but one who is above any dogma or religion.
Steve Smith - Awesome conclusion! ExJW Solidarity! 👍
John Lee well John you sure like to get out there with the accusations and personal insults. Are your issues bordering on hatred or just a warm dislike. I don’t pretend to have any special knowledge about your testimony or Temple worthy ness. I do question your commitment to your to the love your neighbor as thy self commandment, in this case your response has been very similar to what I seen in posts by evangelicals, I always thought the LDS were better then that. You probably should have started your response with bearing your testimony on you know that Joseph Smith was a Prophet or the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. I talk about my personal experience and opinion. I don’t do character assassination or resort to personal attack’s. If you want to be the defender of the faith great, but have a little dignity.
John Lee well there you go again, name calling, trying to play the TH-cam bully. Were you looking in the mirror when you came up with hypocrite? I was expecting some sort of retort, not one so unthought out. If you get this out of wack with the comments of a stranger, then one can only imagine your reactions to people you actually know. Who have opinions that differ from yours.
Steve Smith
You shouldn't blame God because you were deceived by Joseph Smith. He warned you by Jesus Christ to not be deceived. I had to own it myself after a lifetime of delusion as well, so I understand your feelings. Peace.
@@Mikha335 All we have a man made religions and flawed humans preaching that they're the ones with the truth. If your Jesus or God or Allah or Buddha wants us to know something, let him tell us, not you
You make great videos on this topic. I've enjoyed watching. I can't wait to hear you go into what you believe.☺
She wouldn't go into what she believes. Because she knows that her beliefs and rationale could just as easily be twisted....just like she twists what Latter-day Saints believe. The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
@@Ether-pb5gb She isn't twisting. She is speaking truth. The Mormon Church is built on fraud. She has spoken about her faith .She is a Bible believer. You don't know what you are saying.
@@cc-mk2hp I believe in the Bible too. I believe it when Jesus prays to his Father, I believe that the Father witnessed the baptism of Jesus, I believe that when Jesus was transfigured that he saw the Father, I believe that when Jesus was on the cross that he was pleading with his Father, I believe that in John 17 when Jesus is praying in Gethsemane, that he was praying to his Father. He was not praying to himself as the trinity teaches!!
Hi , Jessie , great video , lots of good stuff , thanks for all you do , God bless .
I found christianity after over 40 yrs of Mormonism. I have never been more at peace in knowing Jesus Christ.
Praise God!
@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 Those who seek, find. You just need an open mind and a humble heart.
@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 I have nothing to offer you. I am a mere mortal. A sinful, fallen creature.
God offers you everlasting life as a free gift. No strings attached.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
The fact that you will die someday shows that you have sinned.
God made a way past death. Jesus Christ abolished death.
2 Timothy 1:10 but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus,
who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,
The true and living God who created you wants you to have everlasting joy.
He created you to have a love relationship with Him.
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart and with all thine soul and with all thy mind."
The greatest thing in life is to know God.
Jeremiah 9:23 Thus says the Lord, “Let not a wise man boast of his wisdom, and let not the mighty man boast of his might, let not a rich man boast of his riches; 24 but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the Lord who exercises loving kindness, justice and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things,” declares the Lord.
John !7:3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Unfortunately, your sins separate you from a infinitely holy God.
Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God,
And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear.
Worse still, there is nothing you can do to merit everlasting life. You cannot bribe God.
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
The good news, the gospel, is that God is rich in mercy. God made a way for you to be reconciled to God, by the death of His Son.
Jesus Christ, who was God in the flesh, humbled himself, shed his blood, died and rose again. He paid the penalty for all your sins when He died on the cross. All you need to do is humble yourself, repent of your sin and put your faith in what Jesus Christ has already done for you. And God will grant you the gift of everlasting life.
@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 That's not what your early prophets taught. Truth is very important and there's just no truth in Mormonism.
Now Shay, please prove to me that the Bible, it's character and events, are true, or that they ever even happened. Prove to me that Jesus ever existed. Prove that ANYTHING you believe is true. I can recommend you to a good Tony Robbins motivational presentation that will be of as much help as what you're experiencing.
Hey Jessie!
This is now your second video I've watched, and I must say, they are golden. You got a new subscriber. Thanks for sharing that content, it fits very well in my life right now.
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Good luck at the born again Christian thing. I went through all that in my 20s had took another 20 years of heartfelt investigation to be able to finally discard all Middle Eastern based religions. Now I'm peacefully and happily agnostic
Good luck to you on the agnostic thing. I spent 20 years as an agnostic until I happily and peacefully became LDS.
Good for you coming around to common sense
Wow, impressed by the literary references in the beginning. The algorithm brings me to this part of TH-cam through IBLP. I’d heard of the CES Letter but assumed it was full of doctrinal references I wouldn’t understand.
Instead, it’s right up my alley - my degree was in French and English Letters, so I read a ridiculous amount of 19th century literature.
The only time I tried to read the Book of Mormon, I was sitting bored in a hotel. Of course there was one in the desk drawer.
The prose was just a parody of KJV-esque language mixed with the lowest-tier popular reading material of the 1800-1830 period, before Romanticism really took off.
As far as the actual content, I only remember the Angel Moroni showing up. If I remember correctly, Smith was saying things like ‘and the hem of his sleeves was approximately one inch’ and all of these other ridiculous details that NO ONE would be noticing if an angel was suddenly standing there. It sounded like a 13 year old throwing minute details into an elaborate lie b/c he thinks it makes it sound more believable, when in fact it tips his parents off that he’s lying.
And don’t even get me started on the etymology of all the names that he evidently thought were very impressively ‘bible-sounding.’
And then, when I talked to Mormons, they had a tendency to try to look deep into your eyes and implore you to ‘read the book and ASK YOURSELF if it’s true.’ Dude, I couldn’t get through a few pages without rolling my eyes, throwing it back in the drawer and reading the menu from the local Chinese takeout place instead. Same difference - flowery language, suspicious descriptions and you read it wondering to what degree it’s lies.
it's such a poor quality read that it's been changed in 4000 places. all without the slightest hint of a change ever being made.
and there are no distinct mormon doctrines in the book. i'm suppose to believe that god needed a book to bring out hidden secrets of christianity, and then he forgot what those hidden secrets are.
and then there's the authorship question. who wrote it? his mother had already written one book. and she had already raised one other son, alvin, to be a prophet, but alvin died.
years later, after joseph is shot and killed, his mother and wife take up living together in the same house, and guess what? another prophet is raised. what a concidence.
i'm not saying it was not a miracle. i'm sure it was a miracle. it's a miracle that anyone can read the book without dieing of boredom.
I am happy you made this video. Thank you.
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My friend was a Mormon and he took me to one of their churches at one point. The preacher went up to the altar and I swear he actually said,
"9/11 was a good thing!" I kid you not! He blamed it on abortionists, LGBTQ people and other minorities. I whispered to my friend that we had to go immediately cause all hell was going to break loose if we didn't. So we left. People who think that way are the reason why the world is the way it is today. It's blatant hypocrisy: Preaching love, peace and compassion and then turning around and condemning people because they don't agree with the fact that they are different. It makes me mad that I breathe the same air as these idiots
We don't have alters in churches. Your comment just shows what a clown 🤡 you are.
I have family members, cousins that got suckered into the mormon cult. Thank you for your channel and knowledge. You are saving ppl.
Yes Jessie is so obviously full of the Holy Spirit! God is using you Jessie and I love your channel. Factual and spot on every single time. Thank you for all you are doing!
Maybe you should ask your cousins about why they joined and their witness. It would be good to hear them out.
Nah.
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He's right, the CES letter is a proven fraud. Do some research before you answer a matter blindly.
First listen. Enjoyed it tremendously.
God will richly bless you for posting this. ❤️
Nope, that's your opinion. God doesn't honor those who judge others and lie with bigotry and hate.
@@RussellFineArt the Bible tells us to reprove and admonish. Are you going to reveal that you never judged an atheist or exMormon or other religious organizations? Answer carefully.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Yes, reprove: "reprimand or admonish" -Webster's Dictionary, which means to reprimand or admonish YOUR members, which the Bible also clearly instructs, if they get out of line with hitting their kids, stealing from others, etc., not showing bigotry and hate and intolerance for others and their beliefs. The Bible also says: "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, save he revealeth his secrets unto his servants, the prophets." Amos 3:7 And, "scripture is not for personal interpretation" 2 Peter 1:20 But requires a prophet to interpret. If you're not a prophet, you cannot interpret the scripture and if you don't follow a prophet of God, you do not know his secrets and will. Fortunately, there is a prophet of God on the earth today and he speaks with God and to God's people. Read what he has to say: churchofjesuschrist.org/
God bless!
@@RussellFineArt I can interpret the scriptures. The Catholic church and Jehovah's Witnesses also play the game that they are the only ones that can interpret scriptures. Baloney!
Notice that the verse says _"prophecy OF scripture."_ It does not say, "no scripture" is of any personal interpretation. Prophecy is a subset of Scripture. It is not Scripture as a whole. So, what is prophecy of Scripture? Well, its prophecy. Let's look at the context.
2 Peter 1:20 does not say that we cannot interpret the word of God without church authority. Furthermore, the Greek word for "interpretation" is ἑρμηνεία, hermeneia. It occurs twice in the New Testament.
Scripture speaks of individual's ability to interpret Scripture
1 John 2:27, _"As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him."_
Acts 17:11, _"Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so."
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Romans 14:5, _"One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind."
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As you can see from the three verses above, we are told that the anointing we have received, the Holy Spirit, will teach us what we need to know (1 John 2:27). We see that people compared even what Paul the Apostle said to Scripture and they were commended for it (Acts 17:11). We also see that Paul said "each person must be fully convinced in his own mind" regarding worship days (Romans 14:5).
If ecclesiastical authority is necessary in order to interpret Scripture, then why is it these three verses speak to the contrary? There is no necessity given to submit to an ecclesiastical authority that will tell people what the Scriptures "really mean."
As is evident from reading, the verse is speaking of the subset of Scripture; namely, prophecy. Prophecy is something that occurs within Scripture, just as narration, poetry, imprecation, songs, etc., also occur in Scripture. But, it is only prophecy that is singled out regarding interpretation.
This makes sense, especially when consider what Peter says next in 2 Peter 1:21.
_"for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."_
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 And what is scripture? It's writings of men moved upon by the Holy Ghost, which is prophecy. Sure, you can read scripture and try to understand it but you will never fully understand it without the spirit of prophecy, which prophets of God have.
You help prove my point that the Bible contradicts itself, over and over and over again as you can find virtually any scripture and find another that will completely contradict it. It's bizarre but true. I know the Bible extremely well but avoid arguing any point in it as I can just as easily find the counter argument and just go in circles, all day, every day. Is the Bible pointless? No, it's valuable but needs to be understood by the spirit of prophecy and no other way as you'll get caught in the circle.
Cheers!
You maid it half way out, don't stop.
Ikr lol
Despite these damnable teachings. Some Mormons choose to remain Mormon for various reasons: public status, job, family ties, the culture, has Christian-like traditions, social reasons, marriage purposes, etc. And from what one man I spoke to--because he liked the idea of polygamy. He didn't care about doctrines or who Jesus was. Mormonism is a man-centered religion.
Tragic! 😢
Triumphator in Christ MAGA 2020
Also FEAR, fear that what if the Mormon church is true. They’ve been taught in a very diabolical way that their church is the one true church and their leaders will not lead them astray
@@MeToo-py1tq yes, this fear is difficult to overcome, it holds my family hostage! 😢 l praise the Father and my Lord Jesus that through them l am free.
@@MeToo-py1tq: Exactly. The BITE method.
@@alexislane1035: Finding peace and happiness does not mean you are saved. A Muslim, Hindi, Native American or a young lady in FLDS polygamist sect can find peace and happiness too. Only Christ through His Gospel (Bible) can save you (John 14:6)
Great job from a former Mormon also born again Christian. Even in the face of all this my Mormon friends continue to cling to Mormonism. I'm afraid all the facts in the world will not change them.
So what do you do and say about other people’s videos just like you but about the Bible- mistakes- things that cannot be proven. Stories told by people who were not present while things were happening, etc. how do you explain away all of those points for your belief in the Bible? (Also which Bible do you use?) If you can do that for the Bible why not the Book of Mormon?
Kyle Braby please link videos u mention.
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Spoken like a Mormon who has NEVER read the whole bible and believes what her church leaders told her. Do some research and start in genesis asking God to teach you his truth.
Well those are just lies because all other versions of the Bible are maaaaggggicccccc
Mattathias Macabees we believe in the bible just as much as the book of mormon, I have read both and they are both the truth
God bless you, you are telling the truth
The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
This is so depressing. Thank you!
Rogue teachers need to explore the CES letter during class.
A clerks need to slip it into every members tithing statements!
Thank you very nicely expressed
Truth is clear Mormonism is blurred
I have my volume maxed and I can't hear you very well. Is it me or is your volume low like your mic is across the room?
1769 is not 17th century.
Talking about the KJV writing, not BoM
What she’s reading is referring to the original KJV translation, done in 1611. The KJV was produced in the early 17th century. Joseph Smith’s 1769 edition was a printing of a 17th century translation
@@markking8292 Indeed. One of the prima facie falsities of the BOM is that it is supposedly a 19th century translation and yet it sounds suspiciously like 17th century English! 19th century Americans weren't talking with "thees" and "thous" and other flowery, old timey grammar.
Cut her a break.. the church doesn't believe in educating us... we had a lot of catching up to do.
Good job, Jessie. I am an ex-Mormon and I worry about my Mormon friends following such a cult and thinking it's the true church. Joseph Smith was a terrible shrew.
Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.
@@JohnDLee-im4lo your cult is losing your young members each year. As long as the internet exists, your church will not succeed.
I have people i love dearly in the LDS Church. I pray for them, for related mormons and for the whole church. It's sad, because there are things they seem to have a handle on, such as love and relationships and service, that seem to have been lost in many of today's Christians. They seem to maintain the centrality of their church in their lives whereas many Christians faith seems to be just one aspect of their lives. They could teach Christians so much about practical love within the church.
your videos r amazing ,,how many lives will be saved from this miserable cult...the deeper u dig the worse it gets
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@Ether 12: 27 Give it up! Joseph smith was a con man and Mormonism is likewise a scam
I call myself the revolving door Mormon. I've been inactive for prolly 40 ish years than active since 2016 and with that goes all the lifestyle being inactive, if anyone can find fault with the church would be me but that's another book. The one thing that has been my anchor is a witness I had of Christ, Jesus at age 11. I already know that there's kajillions of things to the contrary of Mormonism being this and that but this one and only witness I had has cleared the way for me to know where I stand with Jesus Christ as my Absolute and Eternal Redeemer. I received my testimony that Jesus is The Christ in 1966 at age 11 in Arlington Virginia before I was ordained into the Aaronic Priesthood of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. The Holy Ghost bore witness that "pierced me to my very core." Every part of me became "one" with this experience with a JOY and BLISS words can't express. There isn't anything earthly that can even come close to expressing this eternal reality through words or writing. I was between two planes of existence, one physical and one spiritual. My mom and I were reading the children's rendition of the illustrated version of the Book of Mormon. I was sitting on the bed while she was reading. This was a daily routine in which mom would read aloud. She encouraged me to read on my own, the Holy Bible and the Book of Mormon written for youngsters. Over time we were on chapter 11 of 3rd Nephi starting with verse:
8 And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them; and the eyes of the whole multitude were turned upon him, and they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them.
9 And it came to pass that he stretched forth his hand and spake unto the people, saying:
10 Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world.
11 And behold, I am the light and the life of the world; and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me, and have glorified the Father in taking upon me the sins of the world, in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning.
12 And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words the whole multitude fell to the earth; for they remembered that it had been prophesied among them that Christ should show himself unto them after his ascension into heaven.
13 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto them saying:
14 Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world.
All I can say is whatever works for you to believe in Jesus Christ as your Savior is a foundation of giving, caring, ministering and above all loving each other. Just words right?! I know I'm the ultimate hypocrite too so like I said, I can write a book about being out of the church. I can only go from my experience and I can tell you that it is not from the "Dark Side." There is no other name or way to have this feeling I witnessed from the Holy Spirit at age 11 than through our Precious Jesus Christ. He is the Only Way 🕊️🕊️🕊️
J Haalilio Heyer , yes there is...brainwashing.
@@chalktalkwithshari4173 I agree, underwhelming from that experience
@kiwibrown I received my witness of God Jesus Christ as our Savior and of God the Father as our Father from God the Holy Spirit while reading the Book of Mormon,, to deny that witness would be unforgivable and unpardonable. If you believe in Jesus Christ as your personal Savior then you will believe in the Book of Mormon
@kiwibrown there's a phenomenal difference between Satan and God the Holy Spirit. I have had the witness of Satan when I indulged in mind altering substances and he is beyond anything you can ever wish to experience. Do not question my experience between the light and the dark. Who am I to deny God the Holy Spirit?
Watch the video called Holy Bible vs Book of Mormon. Tells a lot in the video.
@Ernest Marcucelia.... Yes that's an excellent video!!!!!
does it explain all of the chiasmus and other hebraisms found in the Book of Mormon? Or does it talk about the discovery of Nahom? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......th-cam.com/video/QKMWYMGunIg/w-d-xo.html
Well, if this is all there is to this CES Letter, it sure don't shake my faith and testimony of the Church of Jesus Christ in the Latter Days...
It is not enough to leave Mormonism, we have to give our lifes to Jesus Christ
Whoa, I mean although we say the Sacrament prayers every week (before Covid-19) in which it says "to always remember Him, to keep His commandments which He hath given them," and serve missions around the world, provide various humanitarian help, and other general acts of goodwill, we definitely don't give our lives to Jesus Christ. We just think we do, but it's the thought that counts. Although doing some stuff like that helps. Did you catch the sarcasm? That means, we DO give our lives to Christ. Maybe you should do some research (like Jessie) before you go around posting things. - From a Mormon (a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)
@@hunterraven250 Hunter are you still one? I hope not.
@@irielion3748 I'll always be one. For time and all eternity.
@@hunterraven250Oh no!
@@irielion3748 Oh yes.
Thank you for your open honesty
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@@Ether-pb5gb "The CES letter is a major fraud. "
Please show me a citation that proves the CES letter is a fraud from a non-Mormon source; thank you in anticipation.
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Some people will be shown the truth and yet still choose to believe in fairytales
Gracias, compartiré tu video. Bendiciones
Something that really bothered me was when I was serving my mission in mexico I would share 1Corinthians 15:40 with people which states, "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another." I would teach people that this talked about the three kingdoms of glory but celestial and terrestrial mean heavenly and earthy in spanish and the third telestial is meaningless. I tried reasoning what this meant in my head to no avail. Also why would the second kingdom be called earthly and not the third. Lastly this ones pretty funny in the KJV the word mammon is used which means riches and its used in 3 Nephi 13:24 directly copied from the kjv, however, in the spanish Book of Mormon its spelt mamon which means idiot. If Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon from Egyptian why didn't he use the word riches instead of mammon.
Luke 17 verse 21 states the kingdom of God lives in us. Jesus Christ had said before his crucifixion had his kingdom been on the earth they would have fought for him. We do not die to get to the celestial kingdom it's lives in us just like all 3 degrees we decide if we make it to the celestial kingdom in this life and get to live in Christ presence or not. Christ said follow me. His Gospel is true and we get to the celestial kingdom by putting into actions his gospel which is a life style and not a religion. We choose where we go in this life.
I researched so much. (Didn’t even hear about CES letters till I officially resigned) the kinder hook plates was the last nail in the coffin.
Yes, so many problems. What beliefs do you have now after leaving Mormonism?
@@itsmejessie They're all going atheist, Jesse, nobody's converting to your hate-filled rants of bigotry beliefs.
@@RussellFineArt That's an ignorant lie. I get comments and emails every single day from exMormons who now know the true Savior and are born again Christians, filled with hope and joy.
@@itsmejessie Can you prove ANY of them are remaining Christians? We baptize nearly 900 people a day in our church who know the Savior lives and loves them and testify that His church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. We have the records, I've met many of them and have personally baptized many former Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, evangelical Christians, atheists and others who respect their former churches and beliefs and are taught to never say anything disparaging or defamatory about them but to move forward with what they believe to be true, sharing love and peace. What you're doing, Jesse, if fanning the flames of hate and bigotry, and you know it! If you don't agree with our beliefs, fine, you can simply state that and move on, as we do, and talk about your own beliefs. You know full well that the ONLY reason you're making these videos is to defame our church and members and spread bigotry and hate.
@@RussellFineArt The LDS church teaches a false Christ, a false Gospel, false prophets, changes who God is, has occultic (demonic) background and influence in the temples, esteems Joseph Smith to the level of Jesus Christ and he himself even boasted that he did a greater work than Christ. The LDS church is blasphemous and full of deception. My ONLY goal is to preach the truth of the Bible and to expose the false teachings that contradict the Bible.
In Fr. Birngruber's book Morals for Lay People, there is a developed discussion of the Trinity and the existence of Jesus as son on pp. 292/293.
So glad that you have read to us instead of using Ai...You fumbled a few words but that just makes us sit up and take notice. Carry onm young lady and thank you.
Bring Em Young. :)
Most of my friends as a teen were Mormon and I praise the Lord I wasn’t “called” to it. Even at 15 years old I just didn’t buy it. Two years ago I went to SLC with my best friend. They OPENLY deny the racism and “white and delightsom” BS. It’s was mind blowing.
It's so hard.... Utah.
I was a 5th generation Mormon, and by the time I was 14 I stopped believing (if I ever did in the first place). I couldn’t leave until I was 18 though. I have never regretted my decision, and I’m so thankful I found the true Jesus ♥️
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@@Ether-pb5gb no LDS is fraud obviously
What are you smoking?
Jeremy Runnells was well qualified to write this paper due to his life long membership in the church and a return missionary.
I gather you've read books refuting the Bible and Christianity, such as, 'How Jesus Became God: The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher from Galilee.' I'd highly recommend it.
"All we would need to do would be to read the Bible and accept what it says as what really happened. That, of course, is the approach to the Bible that fundamentalists take. And that’s one reason why you will not find fundamentalists at the forefront of critical scholarship."
"Faith is not historical knowledge, and historical knowledge is not faith." - Bart Ehrman.
@borrowed tomb
Yet the Bible is the very foundation of Christianity, and with little to no evidence of it's core claims such as, the resurrection of Jesus Christ. That creates a problem for those who proclaim the Bible as a divine or holy book, Or Christianity as the one true religion.
Bart Ehrman absolutely differs from others, that's why he debates people such as James White on the issue of specifically the New Testament and Jesus. He also debates people such as William Lane Craig.
Your comment and my reply was a digression from the original purpose of my comment. Jessie spends alot of time criticising Mormonism as a false religion, My comments are a reminder to examine your own belief system for errors and false information in an unbiased manner.
Your comment was placed in the area of the historical evidence of the new testament, this has absolutely no bearing on the divine claims made within that book. Therefore many Christians are in the same position as anyone else when it comes to faith claims, It's blind. In conclusion I think it's completely hypocritical of anyone in a religious group or philosophy to criticise the other for falsehood.
@@TheChrishendrix “The evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.”
The First Line of Evidence for Christ's resurrection
To begin with, we have demonstrably sincere eyewitness testimony. Early Christian apologists cited hundreds of eyewitnesses, some of whom documented their own alleged experiences. Many of these eyewitnesses willfully and resolutely endured prolonged torture and death rather than repudiate their testimony. This fact attests to their sincerity, ruling out deception on their part. According to the historical record (The Book of Acts 4:1-17; Pliny’s Letters to Trajan X, 97, etc) most Christians could end their suffering simply by renouncing the faith. Instead, it seems that most opted to endure the suffering and proclaim Christ’s resurrection unto death.
Granted, while martyrdom is remarkable, it is not necessarily compelling. It does not validate a belief so much as it authenticates a believer (by demonstrating his or her sincerity in a tangible way). What makes the earliest Christian martyrs remarkable is that they knew whether or not what they were professing was true. They either saw Jesus Christ alive-and-well after His death or they did not. This is extraordinary. If it was all just a lie, why would so many perpetuate it given their circumstances? Why would they all knowingly cling to such an unprofitable lie in the face of persecution, imprisonment, torture, and death?
While the September 11, 2001, suicide hijackers undoubtedly believed what they professed (as evidenced by their willingness to die for it), they could not and did not know if it was true. They put their faith in traditions passed down to them over many generations. In contrast, the early Christian martyrs were the first generation. Either they saw what they claimed to see, or they did not.
Among the most illustrious of the professed eyewitnesses were the Apostles. They collectively underwent an undeniable change following the alleged post-resurrection appearances of Christ. Immediately following His crucifixion, they hid in fear for their lives. Following the resurrection they took to the streets, boldly proclaiming the resurrection despite intensifying persecution. What accounts for their sudden and dramatic change? It certainly was not financial gain. The Apostles gave up everything they had to preach the resurrection, including their lives.
The Second Line of Evidence for Christ's resurrection
A second line of evidence concerns the conversion of certain key skeptics, most notably Paul and James. Paul was of his own admission a violent persecutor of the early Church. After what he described as an encounter with the resurrected Christ, Paul underwent an immediate and drastic change from a vicious persecutor of the Church to one of its most prolific and selfless defenders. Like many early Christians, Paul suffered impoverishment, persecution, beatings, imprisonment, and execution for his steadfast commitment to Christ’s resurrection.
James was skeptical, though not as hostile as Paul. A purported post-resurrection encounter with Christ turned him into an inimitable believer, a leader of the Church in Jerusalem. We still have what scholars generally accept to be one of his letters to the early Church. Like Paul, James willingly suffered and died for his testimony, a fact which attests to the sincerity of his belief (see The Book of Acts and Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews XX, ix, 1).
The Third and Fourth Lines of Evidence for Christ's resurrection
A third line and fourth line of evidence concern enemy attestation to the empty tomb and the fact that faith in the resurrection took root in Jerusalem. Jesus was publicly executed and buried in Jerusalem. It would have been impossible for faith in His resurrection to take root in Jerusalem while His body was still in the tomb where the Sanhedrin could exhume it, put it on public display, and thereby expose the hoax. Instead, the Sanhedrin accused the disciples of stealing the body, apparently in an effort to explain its disappearance (and therefore an empty tomb). How do we explain the fact of the empty tomb? Here are the three most common explanations:
First, the disciples stole the body. If this were the case, they would have known the resurrection was a hoax. They would not therefore have been so willing to suffer and die for it. (See the first line of evidence concerning demonstrably sincere eyewitness testimony.) All of the professed eyewitnesses would have known that they hadn’t really seen Christ and were therefore lying. With so many conspirators, surely someone would have confessed, if not to end his own suffering then at least to end the suffering of his friends and family. The first generation of Christians were absolutely brutalized, especially following the conflagration in Rome in A.D. 64 (a fire which Nero allegedly ordered to make room for the expansion of his palace, but which he blamed on the Christians in Rome in an effort to exculpate himself). As the Roman historian Cornelius Tacitus recounted in his Annals of Imperial Rome (published just a generation after the fire):
“Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.” (Annals, XV, 44)
Nero illuminated his garden parties with Christians whom he burnt alive. Surely someone would have confessed the truth under the threat of such terrible pain. The fact is, however, we have no record of any early Christian denouncing the faith to end his suffering. Instead, we have multiple accounts of post-resurrection appearances and hundreds of eyewitnesses willing to suffer and die for it.
If the disciples didn’t steal the body, how else do we explain the empty tomb? Some have suggested that Christ faked His death and later escaped from the tomb. This is patently absurd. According to the eyewitness testimony, Christ was beaten, tortured, lacerated, and stabbed. He suffered internal damage, massive blood loss, asphyxiation, and a spear through His heart. There is no good reason to believe that Jesus Christ (or any other man for that matter) could survive such an ordeal, fake His death, sit in a tomb for three days and nights without medical attention, food or water, remove the massive stone which sealed His tomb, escape undetected (without leaving behind a trail of blood), convince hundreds of eyewitnesses that He was resurrected from the death and in good health, and then disappear without a trace. Such a notion is ridiculous.
The Fifth Line of Evidence for Christ's resurrection
Finally, a fifth line of evidence concerns a peculiarity of the eyewitness testimony. In all of the major resurrection narratives, women are credited as the first and primary eyewitnesses. This would be an odd invention since in both the ancient Jewish and Roman cultures women were severely disesteemed. Their testimony was regarded as insubstantial and dismissible. Given this fact, it is highly unlikely that any perpetrators of a hoax in 1st Century Judea would elect women to be their primary witnesses. Of all the male disciples who claimed to see Jesus resurrected, if they all were lying and the resurrection was a scam, why did they pick the most ill-perceived, distrusted witnesses they could find?
Dr. William Lane Craig explains, “When you understand the role of women in first-century Jewish society, what's really extraordinary is that this empty tomb story should feature women as the discoverers of the empty tomb in the first place. Women were on a very low rung of the social ladder in first-century Israel. There are old rabbinical sayings that said, 'Let the words of Law be burned rather than delivered to women' and 'blessed is he whose children are male, but woe to him whose children are female.' Women's testimony was regarded as so worthless that they weren't even allowed to serve as legal witnesses in a Jewish court of Law. In light of this, it's absolutely remarkable that the chief witnesses to the empty tomb are these women... Any later legendary account would have certainly portrayed male disciples as discovering the tomb - Peter or John, for example. The fact that women are the first witnesses to the empty tomb is most plausibly explained by the reality that - like it or not - they were the discoverers of the empty tomb! This shows that the Gospel writers faithfully recorded what happened, even if it was embarrassing. This bespeaks the historicity of this tradition rather than its legendary status." (Dr. William Lane Craig, quoted by Lee Strobel, The Case For Christ, Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1998, p. 293)
“The evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.”
www.gotquestions.org/why-believe-resurrection.html
@borrowed tomb
Your argument is a straw man fallacy, Let's get back on track.
How can you criticise another religion for falsehood, when there is no evidence for the divine claims made within Christianity?
@borrowed tomb Ad hominem attacks on the character of Joseph Smith and the morality of Jesus Christ stills doesn't provide any evidence of the divinity of Christianity. You need to face facts, You cannot provide any evidence for Christ being a divine being. You are essentially exercising blind faith, just as a Mormon does for the book of Mormon.
Chris Shearer
Bart Ehrman himself acknowledges that all evidence supports that a Jesus's disciples believed he had risen from the dead, from the earliest days of the church. This, and the doctrine of the atonement are the firmest basis of Christianity from the beginning.
After 30 years of dealing with doubt in the evidence to support the truth claims of Mormonism, I personally can appreciate the abundance of evidence of the historical claims of the Bible. The foundation evidence for Mormonism is not even comparable -- not anywhere close.
Ad far as later doctrinal developments, Bart Ehrman's views are very relevant and should not be dismissed, by any serious investigator. You can no more assume that Christianity today is what it was originally than you could assume Mormonism is today what it was originally.
We definitely need to pray for our loved ones in the LDS church.
Funny how the church calls people who are thinking about going to the church investigators". Yet the church tells their members to avoid investigating. Under their breath of course.
I never heard anyone tell me not to investigate. I have studied books both for and against and after 50 years, I'm still a member. The church has absolutely nothing to fear from the garbage that is on this channel. Her knowledge is like kindergarten and her facts are not true. If you have some questions, start looking where there are real answers - I would suggest the BYU archives and scholars articles.
@@paulplumb6360 the LDS church's prophecies change like the wind. Does God ever change? No. So then the prophets must be false prophets and the doctrine not true. Also, the concept of salvation...LDS scripture and doctrine teach that you are saved by grace "after all you have done". So then you only receive saving grace by works. Except You can't earn your salvation by works. Biblical scripture is clear on that. If you believe the Bible to be true (as LDS members say they do), then you can't also believe Mormon scriptures. They are heavily in conflict with each other.
Thank you I am downloading this for 2 missionaries who are trying to tell me about the Mormon Bible. I knew they were incorrect
carm.org/mormonism/teachings-of-mormonism
Speaking as a recently returned LDS missionary, we hear about the CES letter every 3-4 weeks. Believe me, we'd love to argue and show you why the CES letter is bunk. But we're specifically told not to do that. You won't get anywhere, because anything you say we've heard ten times before.
We know the Book of Mormon is true because it's brought us closer to Christ. Alongside the Bible, it is the single greatest witness of Christ's divinity and mission. Through it, you can find peace if you follow its teachings. I know that for myself.
Tara Chapman it’s not the mormon bible, we believe in the bible, but the book of mormon is just ANOTHER testament of Jesus Christ
@@alessamousques7540 I understand that.
You do a great job on your videos. Keep up the good work!
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This is a really good rundown. You could edit it to show which sources you are quoting. Never doubt your own beliefs. And don't let anyone get you down
But guys...church is only 2 hours now. Sure ya don't want to stay in the fold?
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Right!?! I've suffered through 3 hours my whole life, now they are tempting me! Lol
@@tiawirkus1537 Remember I will have no other gods, before me ⚡
That’s awesome lol
Pass. I prefer 2.5 hours of Liturgy.
It's sad when you realize the CES letter is a plea for his life back! He desperately wants answers. I think the reality is there are lots of Mormons who don't care whether it's 'real' or not. They're content just rowing their boat downstream.
You're right, I'm a mormon who doesn't so much care whether it's "real" or not. But I'm not just rowing my boat downstream, I'm working hard on my life, my growth, trying to be better everyday. I'm on a path and it feels alive and amazing. Thanks to the LDS doctrine.
I would be doing this regardless if it was real or not. But it is real.
Thank you for revealing the truth and exposing the lies of the Mormon church.
Do your own homework! Jessie has published her own truth which is a fantastical tale. All the animals she states were not in pre-America, have been archeologically proven to have been in pre America during times and dates in the Mormon book.
@@Touches1111 source
@@Sketchi_ Like I said do your own homework
@@Touches1111 if you don’t give me a source I can’t research it
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Thank you for your videos! As a believing member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I appreciate opposing views and welcome them with open arms. This video actually strengthens my testimony in the LDS church even more. All of the points that are brought up can be equally counter argued to show that the church is indeed true. Appreciate you and all the anti Mormon peeps. Keep the videos coming!
Thank you! Do you believe there are sins which cannot be atoned for by Jesus's blood?
I'd like to see a similar analysis in the other religions texts.
Find whatever texts dictate the dogma in her own religion and you can bet that is the last thing she will ever "analyze".
Oh, I forgot to tell you that you don't bashed and/or attack the believe system, and your major strength comes from just respectfully informing,
All best
..well, see... at the very moment one attacks and/or bashes then in and itself the message is self defeated and he or she lacks credibility. Further, it is very easy to know that "mormonism" is nothing more than a mean to make money through the Internet. ...jeeee, srry but I am just speaking out pure reality..jeeee
Wrong, this is the exact definition of bashing and defaming someone's belief system and religious beliefs. If this Jesse made a video, "informing" people of Jewish beliefs and mocking their beliefs, people would EASILY see that it's anti-Semitic and pure bigotry. If she doesn't agree with our beliefs, that's perfectly fine, she can simply state, "I don't agree with their beliefs" and the talk about her own beliefs, we do this all of the time about other religions and their beliefs but we NEVER make videos, books, tracts or sermons on other people's beliefs, defaming and disparaging them, it's wrong and goes 100% against Jesus' teaching of not judging others.
@@RussellFineArt I don't see any mocking in the video. Not sure why you made that up.
If it is the truth should stand up to scrutiny. If it is false it should fall.
@@alishafiee1129 True, however, when people lie and make false accusations, we should defend the truth.
Being a missionary is a great responsibility! The missionary must have great energy, fortitude and courage. Wherever the issionary goes, in whatever part of the world he is in, he must spread the Word. The local people must understand what the missionary is saying to them. The missionary must get the Word right to the people! Therefore, every missionary must know the language of the local people! To everyone who is going on a mission or preparing for one I would like to recommend a very good workshop by Yuriy Ivantsiv Polyglot Notes. Practical tips for learning foreign language. This excellent book will give you answers how to correctly learn a foreign language with a minimum of your time and effort. This book answers many of the questions that everyone faces when learning a language. Good luck with your important work!
Thank you for the information! Recently read Kingdom of the Cults and it is also informative! New sub! Glory to King Jesus!
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