@@wrathybear considering up until not too long ago there were still loading screen tips telling new player to "drop pallets to distract the killer", we've got a long way ahead until the devs are capable of providing a real new player experience
About 50% of the time I get facecamped a teammate is crouching behind a bush by the killer which prevents the bar from filling up. At the last second they run to the hook, try to unhook, get smacked, then run off and I go to the next stage. They will never watch this video.
@@Cerebrus000 or they unhook immediately and you get tunneled or in most cases the killer pities you (at least at my mmr) and ignores you but the person who unhooked you immediately goes down
But why should I have to suffer the boredom of being camped? Why is it wrong to sui on hook and go next? It's better to do that than wait for ages whilst survivors either do nothing, or completely throw the game trying to get you off the hook.
@ All valid points, but they’re not relevant to what Scott’s really saying. If you don’t care about winning and you’re bored... Sure, go next I guess. But the point is people seem to not realize that staying on hook as long as possible is the best thing on paper for you and your team if you’re trying to win. Your team might be dumb. They might die getting you or ignore you. THAT would be a reasonable point to sui. But them not getting you right away is not them being dumb. That means you should stay cause they might actually be smart.
@@todimotska Why even play the game at that point man, the entire match isn't going to be packed with action. You just seem like someone that only cares about yourself, just going next if you aren't having fun for one moment. You are the type of person Scott is talking about.
This is a problem when they aren't getting camped either. First hook has been extended and yet players still want to save/be saved immediately. Do gens in the meantime and then go save when it's necessary. And don't get impatient when they aren't dropping everything to save you as soon as you get hooked. One or two gens could be finished before you hit second stage depending on how long that chase was and it could put the game in your favor because of it.
To be fair it's not always the best play to wait until the last possible second to save either. If the killer isn't defending the hook to any capacity, an instant save is actually better granted you're close-ish to the hook already because you can reset and split on gens. A survivor on the hook while another survivor is being chased on the other side of the map is contributing nothing, the only time a survivor staying on hook does something is when the killer is proxying or defending it in some way. There are a lot of times where gensb4frens is detrimental and people take it too far. The longer you wait to save someone from the hook when there's opportunity, the more you risk the killer coming back to defend it when it's close to second stage and now you've lost your window. People just make a lot of bad decisions either way because they only focus on the extremes of "save me immediately" or "do gens until I'm almost second" instead of actually learning the proper middleground.
my reasoning to save early is because when i do let the teammate sit on hook for a while, the killer comes back and proxy camps to guarantee the second stage on them
I love going against this types of killers because they are actually getting used to people giving up on hook, so they just camp and stays like 3 entires minutes when my teammates SHOULD just do gens, but instead 2 of them try to save me but are not able lol. Wasting the time of a killer that wants me to give up on hook is great.
@@ruslansmirnov9006 I didn't hear any swearing or much frustration. He didn't even vent into electrical. He just gave out some tips for newer people to learn. Though it is indeed naive to think the people who need to hear it the most actually do. Still, it didn't hurt to at least try to put the message out there in the wild.
Also, STOP GETTING DOWNED RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOOKED SURVIVOR!!! That shit happens way too often. Adding to that, STOP LEADING THE KILLER TO THE HOOK!!! YOU'RE LITERALLY SABOTAGING THE GAME!!!
Shoutout to the chad Nancy I had in solo queue a few days ago. Rode out her entire hook meter with a face camping plague before using antihook and taking the tunnel, giving me and a Jeff enough time to finish the last gens for a 2man escape. Wouldn't have made it without her.
I did same thing as Cheryl vs facecamping Ghostface on Mother's Dwelling with Kindred. Waited until claws appeared and were black colour before popping anti camp. Basekit BT kept me going, then teammate flashlight saved me when he downed me after long chase, Ghostface still tunnelled so I used Dead Hard and wasted his time until 1 gen at shack. ENTIRE team ran over to bodyblock and sabo, I flashlight blinded him after wiggling off and disappeared, he focused the others then rage quit while I was on a gen 😂
I remember being first hooked and no one came to save me, then killer started camping me and I reached 80% of anti-camp. Then my teammate Claud came to sit in a bush FOR WHOLE MINUTE, got scared last 10 seconds and refused to exchange. My bar was still 80%. I still have so many whys till this day.
There are a lot of ppl who give up on hook these days it seems, and for the dumbest reasons. I play a lot of solo Q and it's weird that with all the HUD updates that show progress of something dumb like "breaking free of pinhead chains" or "swatting artist birds" that BVHR didn't think to show the survivors anti camp bars as well.
I think at the core of the issue is a lot of the people who do that don’t care about their teammates at all- they don’t want the best decision for the team, just themselves
I think the survivor killing themselves on hook is also a "f this killer, i'm over this match & ready for the next" as well. When I see teammates do this, i just shrug, understand it's a terrible game nowadays, and don't get upset over it. Even though all your tips are 100% valid & useable, no one is ever on the same page (leaving them on the hook makes them cuss you out end game chat, they give up no matter what the reason is, etc) which means most games are just horrendous to deal with (to add on, the terrible matchmaking pairing a 2k+ survivor with a 15 hour survivor so they wouldn't know useful strats like this yet and insta-unhook). There's really nothing much a lobby of a/couple solos can do.
@@MasterElite403 I mean I really don't know the killers situation. They could be new & not know that not-camping is actually more beneficial, be bored/lazy and not want to do much, had a bad day and just want to take it out on someone. As Scott has mentioned, people will use the easiest way possible to win majority of the time in most games. If that's what they're allowed to do, its kind of up to the devs at that point. I don't wish any negativity for killers that intentionally want to make people not have fun (I don't mean just basic losing, I mean the ones that go out of their way to do things, like draw the game out intentionally). As long as players have the tools to be toxic (on either side), the player base bleed will continue to be as much as the new-player induction rate.
Between this and your previous PSA of letting tunneled teammates hang safely on hook, you're doing wonders to save my sanity as a dedicated solo que player. Thank you Vile Scoot.
I think the big problem is that 90% of the time, solo Q teams will not have the information they need to make the right decision. The amount of times I'm on a hook and know for a fact that the killer is gone and people just let you hang when someone else is in a chase... It's honestly exactly why I always run Kindred whenever I solo Q. Kindred is such a necessary perk for solo players.
A lot of this comes down to survivors having perks like reassurance and DS that directly counter the camping/tunneling playstyle. Just ONE of these two perks alone will win entire games survivors just gotta not get discouraged after getting hooked.
Have to admit, I'm confused when I see this - been playing since 2017 and I still sometime think the guy flailing is telling me I either left the gas on or Myers is right behind me.
Okay but what if I patiently wait for most of my hook time and then the entire team is throwing by going down one by one near me and not wanting to trade?
When that rando unhooks you right by the killer, then they run off to leave you to your fate💀 It's really not hard to figure things out. When I see that someone else is in chase, it's a 75% chance that it's safe to go get the unhook. If killer finds me, lead em in the opposite direction. Don't give them the opportunity to tunnel.
I think it's pretty much just a vicious cycle. People give up if they aren't unhooked instantly, so teammates get caught up in the idea of trying to instantly save people off of hooks to prevent them from giving up, instant saving leads to easier and more effective camping and tunneling, this leads to "I don't know what to do" from teammates which leads to nothing being accomplished while someone is on hook which leads to giving up because teammates aren't doing anything. Pretty much everyone involved does the wrong thing and they're doing the wrong thing because they've been conditioned that the right thing is the wrong thing by the hissy fits people throw but they're throwing hissy fits because of people that conditioned them that the right thing is the wrong thing. Idk if the cycle can be broken because both sides are impatient as fuck.
I mean, behavior could improved in soloq like the hud (which didnt really change much) Adding the camp meter on the hud would be a massive improvement, but alas, they need to set the escape rate at 40% not higher
When the answer is 'Doing Nothing', that's just straight up bad game design. I didn't boot up a VIDEO GAME to do nothing and no amount of 'patience' will change that at the end of the day. If these are the kind of solutions we're presented with in Dead By Daylight, then the game's on its way out, and that is not hyperbole: having mechanics in the game the cultivate such boring play styles will only lead it headlong into destruction.
This would be true, if the game wasn't almost 10 years old and still going strong with high player count lol. There's a bunch of video games where doing nothing but standing still or holding an angle for legit the entire round is the optimal and best play you can make, especially in shooters.
That's been the answer since the game has existed, as has this strategy. It's a 1v4 asymmetrical game, there's always going to be some form of frustration. Lead to its destruction? Lmao. I'd say holding M1 on a generator is about as fun as doing nothing on a hook
DBD isn't a 1v1 game. Your opponent is a queen, and you have 4 pawns. You're going to need to put at least one of your pawns in a disadvantageous or boring position, that's just how the game works.
DBD once again highlighting its entitlement problem among players. The concept of not being able to play a game/having their control taken away is way too much for most people. Every player (hyperbole) is the center of the universe.
Whenever I play with friends and one of them gets camped we generally use that time to slam out as much gen progress as possible. It’s boring as hell but if we go for saves we’ll mostly end up trading or having multiple people injured which depending on killers can hinder you even more than if you just left the person to die on hook
Most times people kill themselves on hook when they are just sitting there and 0 Gens have been touched. If everyone is on a Gen most people will sit there, but the opposite happens because when someone gets hooked the whole team stops what they are doing and you see 3 people run across the whole map to rescue and 2 get downed before the 3rd guy gets to you.
I don't even unhook myself when the meter fills up if I'm being face camped. I love it, watching my team do the gens and knowing the killer is going to loss the game and get almost no bloodpoints.
Great video. I'm tired of people rewarding the killer for camping/tunneling by giving up on hook. It's exactly what the killer wants, so it's the dumbest thing you can do.
On the other hand, the killer won't benefit entirely from that gameplay, survivors who do give up to that style, or raising that killers mmr so they will match with survivors who will run them for their money with that same play style
Any time I’m getting camped it seems like all my teammates just can’t help themselves from all surrounding the hook. I’ve had far too many matches where my survivors don’t even seem to know about the hook timer and they’ll get just close enough to me to pause it while they wait for an opening that never comes and leads to all of our deaths. 9/10 matches if I want to escape then I have to stay on a gen the whole time or they don’t get done
As a sweaty killer, this is true. Half the reason I camp, tunnel, slug, ect. is to get the survivors to panic and start feeding me downs. If survivors just stay calm and play strategically, the hyper-aggressive playstyle starts to fall off.
Solo-queue Survivor on console, and all I can say for a PSA is to learn how to read the room. If peeps are playing properly, play properly. If you have teammates giving up and dying on hook, it may not hurt to just go to the Killer and figure out what to do from there. You either get killed and go to the next match, or Killer feels awkward and you farm. Matches can change and fluctuate. The play style should, too. ^^
This along with D/C's are the main reasons why I stopped playing years ago. People are selfish, and embody this even if altruism benefits them (see driving habits, politics, etc). Then because people immediately give up/disconnect, it incentivises the killer to make this happen. On the other hand, joining a discord to play in an organised group was way too sweaty and felt unfair on killers if you had a competent team. No-win situation.
Not if I'm on your team. But you will have to deal with me being a Stevegull. Don't worry, I will accept being tunneled and camped. It is the nature of a Screamin' Steve Harrington to be camped. We are the lowest on the food chain, but we are numerous and annoying.
If I get put on hook and I'm feeling tilted, I'll usually look around to see if other people are putting in some effort to progress the game before giving in to my impure thoughts.
At this point, if Killers are gonna abuse the anti-camp radius, just make reassurance base kit when the killer isn't actively in chase, or just get rid of the hook timer altogether
I wonder if it would help if you gained a lot more blood points for being on hook for almost full time. At least then you would feel like you are getting some reward. Same with dying on hook when the last person is found so they can possibly find hatch.
Also something for those who are getting face camped on hook, WAIT until the LAST MOMENT to unhook yourself to maximize wasted time, you don’t lose your free unhook so just waste their time
I ended up quiting survivor as every game for 6 games in a row, someone gave up. Its really hard to win 3v1 with 3 or more gen left. Someones on hook, someones trying to save and the last survivor might be on a gen or getting chased. For example, we got the game map with a doctor, the doc was mid but feng had enough as they were the first hook. I unhooked them as they were unhooking themselves and they held shift so I couldnt heal them. They then went AFK. I think we should remove attempting unhook. No one really uses it for its intended design. Perks for it can be tweaked like slippery meat and deliverance can stay the same as its guarenteed. Luck offerings and luck mechanic can be actual luck such as chest item rarities, skill check chances, etc.
remove unhooking will do what exactly? You can still go afk. Yeah, they would probably get hit with a penalty but that would only make someone not want to play the game.
@@armaow7041 This game has already shown no growth over the last few years. They are not retaining new players and are losing loyal players, which will eventually make DBD obsolete.
PSA: if you are getting any form of camping, GET ON YOUR PHONE & DO SOMETHING WHILE YOUR ON THE HOOK or PC users open TH-cam and make it small so you can at least see the game
Sitting there on the hook is boring Most people don't play this game as their job If they aren't having fun they go next Simple as Don't PSA at me telling to sit around and do nothing, don't tell me to engage with a killer who wants to make my experience unpleasant. I ain't doing it. I am not going to be the whipping boy because of bad luck.
@@sorin_markov People did not sign up for this. Just simply because the game CAN go like that doesn't mean you signed up for it or are obligated to stay. A 4 man bleed out slugger can happen and that's not against tos. People didn't sign up to NOT have fun. It's a game, and if we're not having fun we don't have to hold ourselves hostage for the sake of other people's fun. So tired of game designers and players thinking this way.
I disagree that the only way to combat camping is to do the most boring thing in the world. Mass dc is the most proven way to get behavior to fix their game. It's just like when og legion came out, just mass dc and he will get fixed. Then SM every patch. But my favorite was dcing against skull merchant then spectating the bots and watching her play those cracked bots. But then it forced their hand to change that system and change her
I have 'friends' I play with on comms who still don't get it. They don't understand when to save even when we are a 4-man, so as for solo-queue, I am not holding my breath that some random is going to get this. Also, in case anyone reads this and doesn't think I agree with Scott, I run Kindred, Reassurance, Deja Vu and like one chase/exhaustion perk for the majority of my solo games, and I have long since given up on thinking randoms will benefit and make better decisions because I give them Kindred...
Yes, a simple fix that has been there since launch. Survivors will ignore this, complain and demand even more hamfisted mechanics to arbitrarily force the killers behaviour.
I mean I understand the strat but I get off work stressful and I have to play hooked simulator I'm gonna lyk something that should hopefully give perspective games are supposed to be fun and while it's a team game but solo q isn't about the team I want a good chase even if I die if I don't have interaction with the killer it's not fun I think people think everyone plays the game as a team they dont idc if it's the correct play I'm not playing to win I'm playing to waste a hour before bed or work and if my only gameplay is sitting on hook I won't play the game and I haven't I used to spend 50 hours a week while working playing this game and now I can't stand to play more than a few games it doesn't matter if it's optimal it's a game it's suppose to be fun and if everyone plays as optimal as possible then the game isn't fun I don't blame the people for going next cuz yes they will be unhooked eventually but they are being tunneled so yeah they spent 69 sec just to go back on I don't blame them go n3xt the game is not fun I think the idea of shaming people for not finishing or playing a game that's making them upset is disgusting if ur not having fun or the game is being played sweaty asf and u don't want to deal with it just leave bots are in place people will get over it the more content I see from this community the more it seems like dbd is there life Don't blame people for leaving when the game isn't fun and the only conter they have is doing nothing for 138 secs q times are getting longer and longer the only people who have time for that is content creators and kids with no jobs if u don't like that someone went next cry about it if it's the killer u get to go next to if it's a surv there a bot if u don't like playing against bots maybe find a way to play that attract more people to ur playstyle instead of choosing the ez less friction win that everyone says u shouldn't do but will give u more tips on how to do it more efficiently stop acting like the game isn't going a direction the community is choosing u guys literally control the direction the game goes in as the community
Funny when it's advantageous killers will admit proxy camping and tunneling is strong, otherwise they say it's easily countered, keyword EASILY. This makes sense being most killers think they're going up against a comp team on comms every match😂
Scot has faith in the DBD community.. I like it.. although i had the opportunity to ask a player who rage quit and the summary of it is players kill themselves on hook to go to the next game immediately and do not care about the other team benefiting from it..(which makes players who just up and D/C a team player now..because bots are a thing now..not encouraging D/c just stating the irony of it) especially since i believe you said..players are just gonna kill themselves on hook to avoid the D.c Penalty
In addition to this advice, if you notice a lot of camping and tunnelling in your games, run Kindred. Not only does it show killer camping it also shows teammates to each other, so they can co-ordinate which gens to attack. And SPLIT UP, 2 on 1 gen at most, ideally 1 on 1 gen each so 3 gens are being done while you're on hook being camped. I do agree it's boring, but until BHVR enourages other playstyles, not just punish camping and tunnelling with basekit BT and anti camp and call it a day, this is just the reality I'm afraid. Pain Res and Grim Embrace changes were steps in right direction, No Way Out is also a healthy perk, some things like that basekit could help killers who feel like they HAVE to tunnel to win, when the game will help them out if they chass other survivors instead of playing lame 👍
if you want out of the game that bad, PLEASE just dc. i wish they'd get rid of the dc penalty. i'd rather have a bot than a team mate that struggles on hook and gives up.
Dude I had some guy.... it was Borgo vs Myers get themself tier 3 slugged next to a hook after, a Nea and I both immediately realized that we NEED to get more gen progress done before attempting a hook trade, both of us knew what was going to happen. Leave it to 3rd solo queue teammate to then decide "Oh I see that the Myers is close proxying, I will run right past him despite of this and nothing will go wrong." We all died, then got flamed by the 3rd that we were awful teammates and don't understand fun.... I will throw the sun I swear.
alot of the time the only way people hit second without anyone trying to save its that they each think someone else will get the guy on hook and its either too late or more than 1 person gose to hook wasting time
I think there should be some way to indicate if a survivor isn’t getting anticamp. Either show the bar for all survivors or something similar. A big issue is that there so clear indicator for how close you need to be to hinder anti-camp. I also think the game need a new tutorial. Explaining anticamp, clearly showing that being too close means no anti camp, explaining that hooks are 70s. There’s so much things that have been added since launch that lots of people have zero concept of. The majority of the player base don’t consume the game on social meida
At a certain point though when can we actually start blaming survs for just having bad game sense? Why is the solution always giving more and more info to players who don’t care about getting better?
@@jaiden3473a survivors soloq strength is like 80% based on what ever the fuck their teammates are doing so it just makes sense to give them SOME info. Other team based games literally have comms built in, not saying dbd needs comms but like it should be considered. game sense shouldn't involve telepathically reading your teammates minds
@@jaiden3473 this is true, but part of the reason why so many players have horrible game sense is because of 1. this game is mostly comprised of people who play casually for like 1- 1 1/2 hours. 2. the tutorial is still shit even though it's been revamped.
@ so I think the solution is to 1. Fix the busted MMR so people can actually play at their skill levels 2. Make the tutorial more in depth and usable. This would solve almost every problem with the game. The casuals, who probably play the game for the scary horror aspect, could experience an al powerful killer as they desperately try to run and survive, and the better players could play DBD like how it currently is.
@@jaiden3473 I mean for sure it sucks having mates with bad game sense. But you're going to match with these people anyways. The game doesn't have a proper ranked mode and aggressive SBMM would make queues awful and matches miserable. Raising the skill floor is likely the best way to do it so casuals aren't as much as dead weight.
I had a teammate who started to get tunneled and the hook was not the safest place. After getting unhooked they used the optimal strategy of teleporting around the map, and then teleporting to the killer to blind them if they picked any of us up. It was total bs, but I assure you it was safer than the hook.
This might be missing the point. Just like winning by scummy methods as killer isn’t fun, winning by boring methods as survivor isn’t fun either. They want to be having fun in chase, doing gens, etc, and at that point may not care about winning. There’s a point to make about conditioning killers that this is a counterproductive act, but 90% of solo queue players don’t care about that.
Could you please make a video for survivor players to educate them as to how to counter sadako? I found it so exhausting that people have no clue what to do whatsoever when they play against a constantly teleporting one.
See further proof that no matter how much hand holding is given to bad players, they will still muck it up. The extra 10 seconds per hook stage for example, I can't begin to count how many have given up on hook because I didn't save them within 20 seconds of being hooked. You can't fix bad with more and more buffs
Most survivors go crazy alturistic at like 4 gens when killer starts camping/tunneling, I believe this is the main reason why tunneling and camping is overly efficient.
But why should I have to suffer the boredom of being camped? Why is it wrong to sui on hook and go next? It's better to do that than wait for ages whilst survivors either do nothing, or completely throw the game trying to get you off the hook, and if the killer is trying to camp you, it basically automatically means you are going to get tunnelled too. And in solo queue, teammates aren't going to be able to do anything. The only time I will stay is if I can tell all my teammates are decent at the game, which isn't very common. If I am playing solo, and I'm getting camped, I'm going to go next. Killer will probably moan about it, but who cares? Killers will moan about anything, no matter what, and for the other solo teammate survivors, it's just another loss.
wanna know something embarrassing? I solo Q for 10 hours last night and I only escaped one time and it was the last match before I went to sleep. It's a very miserable life as a Solo Q. Pretty much people suicide on hooks by Hit-and-run Wraiths, Thrill of the Hunt/Pentimento Hillbillies, Deerstalker/Spies from the Shadow teleporting killers, half the matches were slugging btw and people just want to unhook you and leave you injured then camp a corner of the maps and wait for someone to get down cause they want to get the challenge done. All I can say is that I did not enjoy this event at all
The worst is when you’re getting tunneled off your first hook and your team decides to come farm you to get you “away” from the killer or something. PLEASE leave me alone omg I have a minute to just sit here it’s okay. You are making this easy
They just crouch around hook waiting for an opportunity to save which is why most of the time i find no reason of wasting my time hanging on. When there are teammates who focus on generators while im being camped and tunneled i stick around and waste the killers time as long as i can. I also bring ds, otr, soul guard, unbreakable to further waste their time if i get farmed and tunneled. If my team wins i couldn't care less about escaping. A lot of solo survivours have this selfish mentality where they only look out for themselves when its literally a team effort.
If I'm going next, it's cause I'm on hook, the killer is in chase with another surv, and the other 2 aren't on gens or coming to get me (usually getting in and out of lockers repeatedly). Other survs are the best killers in the game.
Hey Scott, this advice is true and makes sense, but the thing is that I’m not fighting boring with boring…in a video game. This advice is really only practical for people who want to do this, or are at a high competitive level. If I’m getting camped or tunneled, I’ll give my teammates a while, I’ll get hooked twice, but then I’m dying on hook. I’m playing a game to play a game, this advice is only going to be listened to by the people who already do it. Sorry but this PSA really isn’t helpful 😅
Then why play the game? If you're not playing to win, maybe a competitive game isn't right for you. Intentional throwing just makes other people (who didn't have a choice) also not have fun
@@sorin_markov DBD isn't exclusively competitive. Some people play pretty casually. You CAN blame the survivor for giving up, you COULD blame the killer for playing in a lame way, but you SHOULD blame BHVR for poor game design.
@@sorin_markov 1. It’s not throwing, there are levels to dbd. In the highly competitive lobbies, yes it is throwing. But in lower-levels? Your other teammates are not on gens, it’s just a waste of your time to stay there. My killer MMR was around Rank 3 when that system was still in place but my Survivor MMR is much lower. In those cases, it’s a waste for me personally to stay in the game if I’m being tunneled/camped. If I can see that it’ll help my teammates to stay alive then I usually will. But 90% of the time, it’s a waste. 2. Notice how in the words “competitive game” the word “game” shows up?
@ Also man, don’t try and be patronizing I have 1,500 hours in the game, I just have 95% of them in killer. I’ve been playing for years and know the game well, I just think Scott’s PSA is a little tone-deaf and somewhat pointless.
I get teammates with like 200 hours played against killers with 4k or more hours tunneling the weak link and its just unplayable (while other teammates just farm others mindlessly)
POV Scott just had a teammate rage quit
That image is hilarious, Scott encounters a rage quiter in solo queue and IMMEDIATELY looks to his second monitor and starts recording
@@Gouda992 LOOOOL, i literally dont even know this guy but i can literally imagine this right now
Pov Scott played dbd
lol the worst part is the people who need to hear this will NEEVER see this video.
Would be nice if the game had... you know, an actual tutorial explaining the game... properly
@D-Doc-C The game needs better interface like tool tips popping up in-game. The tutorial alone is useless and it cannot cover every scenario.
@@wrathybear considering up until not too long ago there were still loading screen tips telling new player to "drop pallets to distract the killer", we've got a long way ahead until the devs are capable of providing a real new player experience
About 50% of the time I get facecamped a teammate is crouching behind a bush by the killer which prevents the bar from filling up. At the last second they run to the hook, try to unhook, get smacked, then run off and I go to the next stage. They will never watch this video.
@@Cerebrus000 or they unhook immediately and you get tunneled or in most cases the killer pities you (at least at my mmr) and ignores you but the person who unhooked you immediately goes down
When you’re being camped on hook, you’re essentially in a chase you cannot lose.
But why should I have to suffer the boredom of being camped? Why is it wrong to sui on hook and go next? It's better to do that than wait for ages whilst survivors either do nothing, or completely throw the game trying to get you off the hook.
@ All valid points, but they’re not relevant to what Scott’s really saying.
If you don’t care about winning and you’re bored... Sure, go next I guess.
But the point is people seem to not realize that staying on hook as long as possible is the best thing on paper for you and your team if you’re trying to win.
Your team might be dumb. They might die getting you or ignore you. THAT would be a reasonable point to sui. But them not getting you right away is not them being dumb. That means you should stay cause they might actually be smart.
@@todimotska your type of thinking is why I had to stop playing this game. It's pathetic at this point.
@@todimotska Why even play the game at that point man, the entire match isn't going to be packed with action. You just seem like someone that only cares about yourself, just going next if you aren't having fun for one moment. You are the type of person Scott is talking about.
@@todimotska Just dont be selfish
scott got a bad teammate again, eh?
It's most games, let's be honest
Nah re-listen he watched his Bf get a bad teammate
This is a problem when they aren't getting camped either. First hook has been extended and yet players still want to save/be saved immediately. Do gens in the meantime and then go save when it's necessary. And don't get impatient when they aren't dropping everything to save you as soon as you get hooked. One or two gens could be finished before you hit second stage depending on how long that chase was and it could put the game in your favor because of it.
Agreed. The only thing is, make sure you rescue that survivor before they hit the second hook stage.
To be fair it's not always the best play to wait until the last possible second to save either. If the killer isn't defending the hook to any capacity, an instant save is actually better granted you're close-ish to the hook already because you can reset and split on gens. A survivor on the hook while another survivor is being chased on the other side of the map is contributing nothing, the only time a survivor staying on hook does something is when the killer is proxying or defending it in some way.
There are a lot of times where gensb4frens is detrimental and people take it too far. The longer you wait to save someone from the hook when there's opportunity, the more you risk the killer coming back to defend it when it's close to second stage and now you've lost your window.
People just make a lot of bad decisions either way because they only focus on the extremes of "save me immediately" or "do gens until I'm almost second" instead of actually learning the proper middleground.
my reasoning to save early is because when i do let the teammate sit on hook for a while, the killer comes back and proxy camps to guarantee the second stage on them
@@lewc7389 yeah exactly this. there's definitely a middleground to learn rather than doing one of the extremes every single time.
@@lewc7389 You have to trade hooks.
I love going against this types of killers because they are actually getting used to people giving up on hook, so they just camp and stays like 3 entires minutes when my teammates SHOULD just do gens, but instead 2 of them try to save me but are not able lol.
Wasting the time of a killer that wants me to give up on hook is great.
Guessing someone had a bad solo queue match and just had to get this off their chest
"venting" is a very bad habit, immature and naive thing to do
@@ruslansmirnov9006no?
@@ruslansmirnov9006 I didn't hear any swearing or much frustration. He didn't even vent into electrical. He just gave out some tips for newer people to learn. Though it is indeed naive to think the people who need to hear it the most actually do. Still, it didn't hurt to at least try to put the message out there in the wild.
@@ruslansmirnov9006lmao heart attack at 50 ^
@@voiceunderthecovers still better than degeneracy at 18 ^
My dyslexia saw "A PS VITA"
same brother
IM NOT THE ONLY ONE
;_;
Me too brother, me too
Also, STOP GETTING DOWNED RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOOKED SURVIVOR!!! That shit happens way too often.
Adding to that, STOP LEADING THE KILLER TO THE HOOK!!! YOU'RE LITERALLY SABOTAGING THE GAME!!!
In the event you are downed next to the hooked survivor, IMMEDIATELY CRAWL AWAY! Do NOT recover next to them!
"you being on the hook is one of the most important things that you can do in the game" -scund jund 2024
im so good at the game
Shoutout to the chad Nancy I had in solo queue a few days ago. Rode out her entire hook meter with a face camping plague before using antihook and taking the tunnel, giving me and a Jeff enough time to finish the last gens for a 2man escape. Wouldn't have made it without her.
I did same thing as Cheryl vs facecamping Ghostface on Mother's Dwelling with Kindred. Waited until claws appeared and were black colour before popping anti camp. Basekit BT kept me going, then teammate flashlight saved me when he downed me after long chase, Ghostface still tunnelled so I used Dead Hard and wasted his time until 1 gen at shack. ENTIRE team ran over to bodyblock and sabo, I flashlight blinded him after wiggling off and disappeared, he focused the others then rage quit while I was on a gen 😂
3:06 "your entire team is just working on gens that whole time"
If only...
I remember being first hooked and no one came to save me, then killer started camping me and I reached 80% of anti-camp. Then my teammate Claud came to sit in a bush FOR WHOLE MINUTE, got scared last 10 seconds and refused to exchange. My bar was still 80%. I still have so many whys till this day.
Crab Mentality: "I don't care if saving me is dumb, you're not letting me have fun, so I'm going to throw YOUR game, too"
There are a lot of ppl who give up on hook these days it seems, and for the dumbest reasons. I play a lot of solo Q and it's weird that with all the HUD updates that show progress of something dumb like "breaking free of pinhead chains" or "swatting artist birds" that BVHR didn't think to show the survivors anti camp bars as well.
idk if you'll ever be able to teach dbd players patience and/or fortitude, but i commend you for continuing to try 💕
I think at the core of the issue is a lot of the people who do that don’t care about their teammates at all- they don’t want the best decision for the team, just themselves
I think the survivor killing themselves on hook is also a "f this killer, i'm over this match & ready for the next" as well. When I see teammates do this, i just shrug, understand it's a terrible game nowadays, and don't get upset over it. Even though all your tips are 100% valid & useable, no one is ever on the same page (leaving them on the hook makes them cuss you out end game chat, they give up no matter what the reason is, etc) which means most games are just horrendous to deal with (to add on, the terrible matchmaking pairing a 2k+ survivor with a 15 hour survivor so they wouldn't know useful strats like this yet and insta-unhook).
There's really nothing much a lobby of a/couple solos can do.
Exactly.
We dont want these type of killer players to have good matches.
Why would we?
@@MasterElite403 I mean I really don't know the killers situation. They could be new & not know that not-camping is actually more beneficial, be bored/lazy and not want to do much, had a bad day and just want to take it out on someone.
As Scott has mentioned, people will use the easiest way possible to win majority of the time in most games. If that's what they're allowed to do, its kind of up to the devs at that point.
I don't wish any negativity for killers that intentionally want to make people not have fun (I don't mean just basic losing, I mean the ones that go out of their way to do things, like draw the game out intentionally). As long as players have the tools to be toxic (on either side), the player base bleed will continue to be as much as the new-player induction rate.
Between this and your previous PSA of letting tunneled teammates hang safely on hook, you're doing wonders to save my sanity as a dedicated solo que player. Thank you Vile Scoot.
I think the big problem is that 90% of the time, solo Q teams will not have the information they need to make the right decision. The amount of times I'm on a hook and know for a fact that the killer is gone and people just let you hang when someone else is in a chase... It's honestly exactly why I always run Kindred whenever I solo Q. Kindred is such a necessary perk for solo players.
A lot of this comes down to survivors having perks like reassurance and DS that directly counter the camping/tunneling playstyle. Just ONE of these two perks alone will win entire games survivors just gotta not get discouraged after getting hooked.
I'd also recommend the old school tactic of flailing on the hook if the killer is staying near. A signal to show others to leave you.
Not necessarily. A lot of the time it means “hurry up and save me”
Have to admit, I'm confused when I see this - been playing since 2017 and I still sometime think the guy flailing is telling me I either left the gas on or Myers is right behind me.
Okay but what if I patiently wait for most of my hook time and then the entire team is throwing by going down one by one near me and not wanting to trade?
you weren't going to win with that team anyways, gg go next
@ cool I made the right decision then lul
This is not only selfish but embarrassing when this happens. All that time left me on the hook to do gens, just for everyone to get slugged. Pathetic.
When that rando unhooks you right by the killer, then they run off to leave you to your fate💀
It's really not hard to figure things out. When I see that someone else is in chase, it's a 75% chance that it's safe to go get the unhook. If killer finds me, lead em in the opposite direction. Don't give them the opportunity to tunnel.
Youre the only dbd content creator i still watch after not playing for 9 months. :')
I think it's pretty much just a vicious cycle.
People give up if they aren't unhooked instantly, so teammates get caught up in the idea of trying to instantly save people off of hooks to prevent them from giving up, instant saving leads to easier and more effective camping and tunneling, this leads to "I don't know what to do" from teammates which leads to nothing being accomplished while someone is on hook which leads to giving up because teammates aren't doing anything.
Pretty much everyone involved does the wrong thing and they're doing the wrong thing because they've been conditioned that the right thing is the wrong thing by the hissy fits people throw but they're throwing hissy fits because of people that conditioned them that the right thing is the wrong thing.
Idk if the cycle can be broken because both sides are impatient as fuck.
I love that the consensus in the comments is 100% “Scott just got bodied in solo queue, huh?”
I mean, behavior could improved in soloq like the hud (which didnt really change much)
Adding the camp meter on the hud would be a massive improvement, but alas, they need to set the escape rate at 40% not higher
When the answer is 'Doing Nothing', that's just straight up bad game design. I didn't boot up a VIDEO GAME to do nothing and no amount of 'patience' will change that at the end of the day. If these are the kind of solutions we're presented with in Dead By Daylight, then the game's on its way out, and that is not hyperbole: having mechanics in the game the cultivate such boring play styles will only lead it headlong into destruction.
This would be true, if the game wasn't almost 10 years old and still going strong with high player count lol. There's a bunch of video games where doing nothing but standing still or holding an angle for legit the entire round is the optimal and best play you can make, especially in shooters.
That's been the answer since the game has existed, as has this strategy. It's a 1v4 asymmetrical game, there's always going to be some form of frustration. Lead to its destruction? Lmao. I'd say holding M1 on a generator is about as fun as doing nothing on a hook
DBD isn't a 1v1 game. Your opponent is a queen, and you have 4 pawns. You're going to need to put at least one of your pawns in a disadvantageous or boring position, that's just how the game works.
DBD once again highlighting its entitlement problem among players. The concept of not being able to play a game/having their control taken away is way too much for most people. Every player (hyperbole) is the center of the universe.
Brother your objective is already to hold M1 for more than a minute sitting in a place
The fact that you have to say this when it’s a common sense thing is so sad. Thank you for making this video fr
Whenever I play with friends and one of them gets camped we generally use that time to slam out as much gen progress as possible. It’s boring as hell but if we go for saves we’ll mostly end up trading or having multiple people injured which depending on killers can hinder you even more than if you just left the person to die on hook
Most times people kill themselves on hook when they are just sitting there and 0 Gens have been touched. If everyone is on a Gen most people will sit there, but the opposite happens because when someone gets hooked the whole team stops what they are doing and you see 3 people run across the whole map to rescue and 2 get downed before the 3rd guy gets to you.
All I hear is run shoulder the burden and reassurence.
I don't even unhook myself when the meter fills up if I'm being face camped. I love it, watching my team do the gens and knowing the killer is going to loss the game and get almost no bloodpoints.
Great video. I'm tired of people rewarding the killer for camping/tunneling by giving up on hook. It's exactly what the killer wants, so it's the dumbest thing you can do.
On the other hand, the killer won't benefit entirely from that gameplay, survivors who do give up to that style, or raising that killers mmr so they will match with survivors who will run them for their money with that same play style
@@Damiieenn08no because the MMR Cap is so low wishful thinking tbh
Ah, it feels so good not playing this game anymore. Stopped a year and a half ago and haven’t looked back.
Any time I’m getting camped it seems like all my teammates just can’t help themselves from all surrounding the hook. I’ve had far too many matches where my survivors don’t even seem to know about the hook timer and they’ll get just close enough to me to pause it while they wait for an opening that never comes and leads to all of our deaths. 9/10 matches if I want to escape then I have to stay on a gen the whole time or they don’t get done
My bar got to 90% by a face camp yesterday, and then a teammate came close but never went to save. Effectively killing me. And gens were not done.
As a sweaty killer, this is true. Half the reason I camp, tunnel, slug, ect. is to get the survivors to panic and start feeding me downs. If survivors just stay calm and play strategically, the hyper-aggressive playstyle starts to fall off.
Besides the memes that Scott got a bad game, this happens sooo often that I took a break from solo q
actually scott when im on hook my teammates all stand around the hook untill its too late and I die and then the killer kills the whole team at 5 gens
This was the problem with reassurance, no one wants to stay on hook for much longer
this isnt how i was picturing the scott - zubat collab episode
I've been trying to tell the media groups this for years...ty Scott 😊
Instructions unclear *kermits*
It's also really frustrating in solo q when you're the one being hard-tunneled and your team mates are getting you off the hook asap.
Solo-queue Survivor on console, and all I can say for a PSA is to learn how to read the room. If peeps are playing properly, play properly. If you have teammates giving up and dying on hook, it may not hurt to just go to the Killer and figure out what to do from there. You either get killed and go to the next match, or Killer feels awkward and you farm.
Matches can change and fluctuate. The play style should, too. ^^
This along with D/C's are the main reasons why I stopped playing years ago. People are selfish, and embody this even if altruism benefits them (see driving habits, politics, etc). Then because people immediately give up/disconnect, it incentivises the killer to make this happen. On the other hand, joining a discord to play in an organised group was way too sweaty and felt unfair on killers if you had a competent team. No-win situation.
Not if I'm on your team. But you will have to deal with me being a Stevegull. Don't worry, I will accept being tunneled and camped. It is the nature of a Screamin' Steve Harrington to be camped. We are the lowest on the food chain, but we are numerous and annoying.
If I get put on hook and I'm feeling tilted, I'll usually look around to see if other people are putting in some effort to progress the game before giving in to my impure thoughts.
At this point, if Killers are gonna abuse the anti-camp radius, just make reassurance base kit when the killer isn't actively in chase, or just get rid of the hook timer altogether
‘But Scott I can’t get my throw the game tomes done if I’m sitting on the hook’
I wonder if it would help if you gained a lot more blood points for being on hook for almost full time. At least then you would feel like you are getting some reward. Same with dying on hook when the last person is found so they can possibly find hatch.
Also something for those who are getting face camped on hook, WAIT until the LAST MOMENT to unhook yourself to maximize wasted time, you don’t lose your free unhook so just waste their time
I ended up quiting survivor as every game for 6 games in a row, someone gave up.
Its really hard to win 3v1 with 3 or more gen left. Someones on hook, someones trying to save and the last survivor might be on a gen or getting chased.
For example, we got the game map with a doctor, the doc was mid but feng had enough as they were the first hook. I unhooked them as they were unhooking themselves and they held shift so I couldnt heal them.
They then went AFK.
I think we should remove attempting unhook. No one really uses it for its intended design. Perks for it can be tweaked like slippery meat and deliverance can stay the same as its guarenteed. Luck offerings and luck mechanic can be actual luck such as chest item rarities, skill check chances, etc.
Im the past survivors rarely gave up especially near the start.
Times have changed.
slippery meat is not guaranteed but I do like the idea
remove unhooking will do what exactly? You can still go afk. Yeah, they would probably get hit with a penalty but that would only make someone not want to play the game.
Them not wanting to play the game would be better. You risk making other 3 People not want to play the game if someone keeps giving up. @@bratsss
@@armaow7041 This game has already shown no growth over the last few years. They are not retaining new players and are losing loyal players, which will eventually make DBD obsolete.
PSA: if you are getting any form of camping, GET ON YOUR PHONE & DO SOMETHING WHILE YOUR ON THE HOOK or PC users open TH-cam and make it small so you can at least see the game
Sitting there on the hook is boring
Most people don't play this game as their job
If they aren't having fun they go next
Simple as
Don't PSA at me telling to sit around and do nothing, don't tell me to engage with a killer who wants to make my experience unpleasant. I ain't doing it. I am not going to be the whipping boy because of bad luck.
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If you "just go next" you then make 3-4 other people not have fun. Don't be a little wimp, play the game you signed up for.
Insane display of selfishness, genuinely seek psychiatric council
@@sorin_markov
People did not sign up for this. Just simply because the game CAN go like that doesn't mean you signed up for it or are obligated to stay. A 4 man bleed out slugger can happen and that's not against tos. People didn't sign up to NOT have fun. It's a game, and if we're not having fun we don't have to hold ourselves hostage for the sake of other people's fun. So tired of game designers and players thinking this way.
There is truth in what you say.
I disagree that the only way to combat camping is to do the most boring thing in the world. Mass dc is the most proven way to get behavior to fix their game. It's just like when og legion came out, just mass dc and he will get fixed. Then SM every patch. But my favorite was dcing against skull merchant then spectating the bots and watching her play those cracked bots. But then it forced their hand to change that system and change her
I have 'friends' I play with on comms who still don't get it. They don't understand when to save even when we are a 4-man, so as for solo-queue, I am not holding my breath that some random is going to get this. Also, in case anyone reads this and doesn't think I agree with Scott, I run Kindred, Reassurance, Deja Vu and like one chase/exhaustion perk for the majority of my solo games, and I have long since given up on thinking randoms will benefit and make better decisions because I give them Kindred...
You would think most experienced players would know this by now.
Yes, a simple fix that has been there since launch. Survivors will ignore this, complain and demand even more hamfisted mechanics to arbitrarily force the killers behaviour.
I mean I understand the strat but I get off work stressful and I have to play hooked simulator I'm gonna lyk something that should hopefully give perspective games are supposed to be fun and while it's a team game but solo q isn't about the team I want a good chase even if I die if I don't have interaction with the killer it's not fun I think people think everyone plays the game as a team they dont idc if it's the correct play I'm not playing to win I'm playing to waste a hour before bed or work and if my only gameplay is sitting on hook I won't play the game and I haven't I used to spend 50 hours a week while working playing this game and now I can't stand to play more than a few games it doesn't matter if it's optimal it's a game it's suppose to be fun and if everyone plays as optimal as possible then the game isn't fun I don't blame the people for going next cuz yes they will be unhooked eventually but they are being tunneled so yeah they spent 69 sec just to go back on I don't blame them go n3xt the game is not fun I think the idea of shaming people for not finishing or playing a game that's making them upset is disgusting if ur not having fun or the game is being played sweaty asf and u don't want to deal with it just leave bots are in place people will get over it the more content I see from this community the more it seems like dbd is there life
Don't blame people for leaving when the game isn't fun and the only conter they have is doing nothing for 138 secs q times are getting longer and longer the only people who have time for that is content creators and kids with no jobs if u don't like that someone went next cry about it if it's the killer u get to go next to if it's a surv there a bot if u don't like playing against bots maybe find a way to play that attract more people to ur playstyle instead of choosing the ez less friction win that everyone says u shouldn't do but will give u more tips on how to do it more efficiently stop acting like the game isn't going a direction the community is choosing u guys literally control the direction the game goes in as the community
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ik everyone knows and he mentioned them, but should still link zubat in description for using their gameplay as just a courtesy
what to do if killer slugs at 4 or even 5 gens ?
The same energy as Otz making a video on what you should do as a survivor after a match with one bad Nancy player
It's rare I agree with Scott, but every solo queue player should watch this one. The only reason I suicide on hook is if my team is doing nothing.
Funny when it's advantageous killers will admit proxy camping and tunneling is strong, otherwise they say it's easily countered, keyword EASILY. This makes sense being most killers think they're going up against a comp team on comms every match😂
Scot has faith in the DBD community.. I like it.. although i had the opportunity to ask a player who rage quit and the summary of it is players kill themselves on hook to go to the next game immediately and do not care about the other team benefiting from it..(which makes players who just up and D/C a team player now..because bots are a thing now..not encouraging D/c just stating the irony of it) especially since i believe you said..players are just gonna kill themselves on hook to avoid the D.c Penalty
In addition to this advice, if you notice a lot of camping and tunnelling in your games, run Kindred. Not only does it show killer camping it also shows teammates to each other, so they can co-ordinate which gens to attack. And SPLIT UP, 2 on 1 gen at most, ideally 1 on 1 gen each so 3 gens are being done while you're on hook being camped.
I do agree it's boring, but until BHVR enourages other playstyles, not just punish camping and tunnelling with basekit BT and anti camp and call it a day, this is just the reality I'm afraid. Pain Res and Grim Embrace changes were steps in right direction, No Way Out is also a healthy perk, some things like that basekit could help killers who feel like they HAVE to tunnel to win, when the game will help them out if they chass other survivors instead of playing lame 👍
As a reassurance user / fan i was hoping you'd adress that as well
if you want out of the game that bad, PLEASE just dc. i wish they'd get rid of the dc penalty. i'd rather have a bot than a team mate that struggles on hook and gives up.
If I could convince survivors of just ONE thing, it would be this. Understand the safest place for you is on hook.
Dude I had some guy.... it was Borgo vs Myers get themself tier 3 slugged next to a hook after, a Nea and I both immediately realized that we NEED to get more gen progress done before attempting a hook trade, both of us knew what was going to happen. Leave it to 3rd solo queue teammate to then decide "Oh I see that the Myers is close proxying, I will run right past him despite of this and nothing will go wrong." We all died, then got flamed by the 3rd that we were awful teammates and don't understand fun.... I will throw the sun I swear.
Idk what region Scott plays in, but most times my solo teammates are crouched, afk, or in lockers. So "Ima head out" 😅
alot of the time the only way people hit second without anyone trying to save its that they each think someone else will get the guy on hook and its either too late or more than 1 person gose to hook wasting time
I think there should be some way to indicate if a survivor isn’t getting anticamp. Either show the bar for all survivors or something similar. A big issue is that there so clear indicator for how close you need to be to hinder anti-camp.
I also think the game need a new tutorial. Explaining anticamp, clearly showing that being too close means no anti camp, explaining that hooks are 70s. There’s so much things that have been added since launch that lots of people have zero concept of. The majority of the player base don’t consume the game on social meida
At a certain point though when can we actually start blaming survs for just having bad game sense? Why is the solution always giving more and more info to players who don’t care about getting better?
@@jaiden3473a survivors soloq strength is like 80% based on what ever the fuck their teammates are doing so it just makes sense to give them SOME info. Other team based games literally have comms built in, not saying dbd needs comms but like it should be considered. game sense shouldn't involve telepathically reading your teammates minds
@@jaiden3473 this is true, but part of the reason why so many players have horrible game sense is because of 1. this game is mostly comprised of people who play casually for like 1- 1 1/2 hours. 2. the tutorial is still shit even though it's been revamped.
@ so I think the solution is to
1. Fix the busted MMR so people can actually play at their skill levels
2. Make the tutorial more in depth and usable.
This would solve almost every problem with the game. The casuals, who probably play the game for the scary horror aspect, could experience an al powerful killer as they desperately try to run and survive, and the better players could play DBD like how it currently is.
@@jaiden3473 I mean for sure it sucks having mates with bad game sense. But you're going to match with these people anyways. The game doesn't have a proper ranked mode and aggressive SBMM would make queues awful and matches miserable. Raising the skill floor is likely the best way to do it so casuals aren't as much as dead weight.
I had a teammate who started to get tunneled and the hook was not the safest place. After getting unhooked they used the optimal strategy of teleporting around the map, and then teleporting to the killer to blind them if they picked any of us up. It was total bs, but I assure you it was safer than the hook.
This might be missing the point. Just like winning by scummy methods as killer isn’t fun, winning by boring methods as survivor isn’t fun either. They want to be having fun in chase, doing gens, etc, and at that point may not care about winning.
There’s a point to make about conditioning killers that this is a counterproductive act, but 90% of solo queue players don’t care about that.
Thanks for making this important PSA rofl. I play in a group of 3 most of the time and its like a 50-50 chance the rando quits on hook.
so question if I'm left til 2 hooks and I'm not being camped, and they trade my hook for a single gen is it valid to miss the skill checks??
Could you please make a video for survivor players to educate them as to how to counter sadako? I found it so exhausting that people have no clue what to do whatsoever when they play against a constantly teleporting one.
See further proof that no matter how much hand holding is given to bad players, they will still muck it up. The extra 10 seconds per hook stage for example, I can't begin to count how many have given up on hook because I didn't save them within 20 seconds of being hooked. You can't fix bad with more and more buffs
Its funny that you got the idea from watching zubats stream cuz that dude gives up on hook alll the time.
Any thoughts on trading? When is it ok to trade on hook and should I be mad if no teammate will trade for me?
Most survivors go crazy alturistic at like 4 gens when killer starts camping/tunneling, I believe this is the main reason why tunneling and camping is overly efficient.
Honestly being on hook starring at a killer is more fun than doing gens sometimes.
But why should I have to suffer the boredom of being camped? Why is it wrong to sui on hook and go next? It's better to do that than wait for ages whilst survivors either do nothing, or completely throw the game trying to get you off the hook, and if the killer is trying to camp you, it basically automatically means you are going to get tunnelled too. And in solo queue, teammates aren't going to be able to do anything. The only time I will stay is if I can tell all my teammates are decent at the game, which isn't very common.
If I am playing solo, and I'm getting camped, I'm going to go next. Killer will probably moan about it, but who cares? Killers will moan about anything, no matter what, and for the other solo teammate survivors, it's just another loss.
my immediate thought on the title of the video "do gens!!!"
When does the true solo queue experience get proper buffs so they won't have to tunnel and camp?
The safest place I can be is in shack basement doing an incantation with no mither primed and ready
My teammates today did NOT see this video
wanna know something embarrassing? I solo Q for 10 hours last night and I only escaped one time and it was the last match before I went to sleep. It's a very miserable life as a Solo Q. Pretty much people suicide on hooks by Hit-and-run Wraiths, Thrill of the Hunt/Pentimento Hillbillies, Deerstalker/Spies from the Shadow teleporting killers, half the matches were slugging btw and people just want to unhook you and leave you injured then camp a corner of the maps and wait for someone to get down cause they want to get the challenge done. All I can say is that I did not enjoy this event at all
The worst is when you’re getting tunneled off your first hook and your team decides to come farm you to get you “away” from the killer or something. PLEASE leave me alone omg I have a minute to just sit here it’s okay. You are making this easy
Instructions unclear, threw a hissy fit and killed myself on first hook
They just crouch around hook waiting for an opportunity to save which is why most of the time i find no reason of wasting my time hanging on. When there are teammates who focus on generators while im being camped and tunneled i stick around and waste the killers time as long as i can. I also bring ds, otr, soul guard, unbreakable to further waste their time if i get farmed and tunneled. If my team wins i couldn't care less about escaping. A lot of solo survivours have this selfish mentality where they only look out for themselves when its literally a team effort.
If I'm going next, it's cause I'm on hook, the killer is in chase with another surv, and the other 2 aren't on gens or coming to get me (usually getting in and out of lockers repeatedly). Other survs are the best killers in the game.
Hey Scott, this advice is true and makes sense, but the thing is that I’m not fighting boring with boring…in a video game.
This advice is really only practical for people who want to do this, or are at a high competitive level.
If I’m getting camped or tunneled, I’ll give my teammates a while, I’ll get hooked twice, but then I’m dying on hook.
I’m playing a game to play a game, this advice is only going to be listened to by the people who already do it. Sorry but this PSA really isn’t helpful 😅
Then why play the game? If you're not playing to win, maybe a competitive game isn't right for you. Intentional throwing just makes other people (who didn't have a choice) also not have fun
@@sorin_markov
DBD isn't exclusively competitive. Some people play pretty casually. You CAN blame the survivor for giving up, you COULD blame the killer for playing in a lame way, but you SHOULD blame BHVR for poor game design.
@@sorin_markov 1. It’s not throwing, there are levels to dbd. In the highly competitive lobbies, yes it is throwing. But in lower-levels? Your other teammates are not on gens, it’s just a waste of your time to stay there. My killer MMR was around Rank 3 when that system was still in place but my Survivor MMR is much lower. In those cases, it’s a waste for me personally to stay in the game if I’m being tunneled/camped. If I can see that it’ll help my teammates to stay alive then I usually will. But 90% of the time, it’s a waste.
2. Notice how in the words “competitive game” the word “game” shows up?
@ Also man, don’t try and be patronizing I have 1,500 hours in the game, I just have 95% of them in killer. I’ve been playing for years and know the game well, I just think Scott’s PSA is a little tone-deaf and somewhat pointless.
If you want to counter this as a tunneler, run DMS, deadlock and Grim Embrace.
Make them jokers wait right with you.
Well this would be sound advice if people didn't immediately just give up on hook the second they get put on it.
I get teammates with like 200 hours played against killers with 4k or more hours tunneling the weak link and its just unplayable (while other teammates just farm others mindlessly)
So…go after the symptom, not the cause….?