the sad part is half of the later ones arent even satire like genuinely clown / trickster / new houndmaster are pretty ass to go against. thats the point, it just seems like everything is ass to go against apparently
@ScottJund Oh yeah I'm already top 30 Houndmaster I love this killer so much, but I have to admit she needs a nerf, she's super oppressive. Her power still bugs out every now and then but I can play pretty much every single tile and even counter perks like Balanced and Lithe
@@ScottJund As a Clown main, I apologize for my existence. But I like the chase power being focused on positioning. I know Clown is MISERABLE to go against, but I just like playing as Clown.
@@ScottJundyeah, playing survivor in general feels bad imo. Since the game's release you're incentivized to spend all your free time holding m1 on gens. Killers are made to play around what survivors can do in different ways but survivor gameplay is mostly the same. I always run Head On, Q&Q, and Dance With Me and treat that as my own power
The best killer is obviously the nurse to go against. The game is over within 30 seconds and I don't have to play any more DBD for the rest of the day. I get to go play civilization instead. S tier
4:05 is genuinely my friend. She will play against any other killer but instantly becomes pissy and gives up against Freddy. Literally just because he was annoying 4+ years ago when we started playing.
Hearing "Obviously if your injured you cannot really do anything, You Cannot Repair Generators" About Legion and Plague got me giggling. I love the Jokey-ness of the video. Good stuff!
They should just allow it to start a trial without a killer. repair generators, freak around, T-bag a bunch, smack other survivor's ass and leave. DBD as it's intended.
No, we obvously need a killer. Just make him slower as survivor and his power should do nothing. Basically a party trick as power. And reveal is aura across the map to everyone. And just for the reason that a Meg will still get downed, the hooks should teleport away from the killer after he picked up a survivor ;) @Cassiao
I love the idea of making spirit visible in her phase walk but remove the haste. She needs to be normal walking speed when using her power, and also I have to be able to see her too otherwise it’s obviously not fair.
Still not fair. there's nothing you can do if she attacks you, you get injured and eventually you go down. Obviously OP, she should have half the walking speed when phasing and can't attack during it, would still be too strong, but I could accept it.
3:34. I was being face camped by Bubba. Told my gf "He's gonna camp me, just do the gens and put pressure". I had two randoms proxy me and Bubba knew, so he stayed. One goes for the unhook and gets Bubba'd. Second one followed first one literally after seeing the first one go down (crouched behind the fencing near mid of Dead Dawg). Now, gf had to actually try to unhook me because the other two couldn't activate their neurons for basic preservation instincts and led to her getting downed trying to keep me from dying from hook. I basically spent the entire game waiting to die on hook and thought "Man, I just don't have fun playing the game anymore". Haven't touched it since, feels pretty good. Game just sucks because the rules of the game really encourage you to be an asshole and deliberately playing nice and fair tends not to reward ENOUGH to make the game feel more rewarding.
Oh yeah those survs, that cant just repar when 1 guy hooked for 1 billion years. Thats just not worth it for killer to facecamp if surv arent absolute morons. Asshole enouragment - tunneling\slugging, yeah thats it. With second chance perks in mind id rather slug with franklin and third seal etc.
Very informative video, Scott. Next upload has to be about the Survivor Approved Killer Rulebook, so that matches are more fun for survivors and killers have to be nice while they try to kill them.
I do understand trapper, I find him personally the scariest killer because of his traps. Jokes aside, huntress can be a 50/50 (Not saying this is a reason to not play the game nor does it make it boring lol) because the skill expression on both sides is very fun but with bad connections it can sometimes be frustrating but that's not the killers fault. Otherwise, it's literally just a skill issue.
As a survivor main, I sat down and actually thought about what killer I liked playing against. I realized that most of the killers are not fun to play against. Its also less about what killer you are playing and more about how the killer plays the game. I think ACTUALLY doing something about tunneling and slugging would do wonders for survivors dcing.
The best way to fix it is nerf survivor enough and buff the benefits hooking multiple survivors so they can nerf tunneling and slugging with out fucking killer over.
@garmr2512 I think there should be a system for hooking each unqiue survivor, with ramping bonuses to the killer for each unique hook streak. Then remove being able to tunnel entirely. When a survivor is unhooked they are unattackable and have no collision until another survivor is hooked.
@@Fotumain13 you'd need to make them attackable after a conspicuous action else they could do gens whilst the other 3 survs stealthed for the rest of the game the bigger problem for implementing is actually that it'd make way way too many survivor perks completely useless. I also don't know how much it'd fix dc's, a huge portion (if not the majority) that I see are on first down, so they don't even know if the killer would tunnel/slug at that point.
@@bredbeanqueen2654 You thinking the only perks worth running, are the ones that stop tunneling and slugging. Should tell you everything you need to know about why the game is shit right now.
4:14 Honestly despite the satire, he isn't wrong. I main Pig and let me tell you people quickly give up once they have a bear trap on them even if I never tunnel, slug, or camp. I could be literally sneaking to kick a gen and suddenly get a head pop. This happens every 2 to 5 games, the rest it snowballs as people don't want to face 'toxic' Pig. No one even bothers to try booping the snoot, but I don't blame them. Other Pigs I face as Survivor go really hard to win at all costs it's a given we have a bad rep now.
I genuinely think the game would be better if it had a team-based scoring/win system. Many killers feel unfun in chase, because there's nothing you can do but make the inevitable down take more time. But, if you knew that time was helping your team, and you benefit from your team "winning", then playing to maximize the team becomes more palatable.
In the words of Mathieu Cote: "I looped the killer for 7 hours, I unhooked 18 survivors, and I healed for 93 health states, I fixed 10 generators but then right at the end I died. Were you really skilled in the first place?"
Jokes apart, the "scoring" system in DBD and even some some in-game tome's challenges/perks encourage survivors to be selfish. If your goal is to escape, it's easier to bring a key, Iron will, quick and quiet, distortion and left behind. Hide all game, wait for your teammates to die and escape through hatch. Therefore, yes, the game would great benefit from a scoring system that encourages team play. Like sacrificing for your teammates could still count as a win
Good to see nothing has changed since I stopped playing DBD(almost 3 years ago :o) I was hoping you were going to say "This killer is the only killer that is fun to play AND fun to play against. But Killers are not allowed to have fun. So... Nope..." Also... you forgot one killer : Nea
I know there's a ton of satire to this, but to be serious for a moment. I've come to realize I hate or dislike about half the killer roster when it comes to counter play against them. Then when you factor in all the unpleasant playstyles killers can adopt in any match, DBD has become pretty abysmal in terms of survivor fun in my experience/opinion. That's why I'll be taking a break for awhile. 2k hours in (most in survivor, but I enjoy killer when my friends aren't on), and I can't remember the last time DBD was this frustrating and unfun on survivor side than it is rn. I said this two years ago "this game only gets worse for survivor", and that has come true. I don't care about "meta perks", or balance or any of that nonsense. When I play a game, I want to have fun and that has almost nothing to do with winning or losing. Often times when I win I have less fun than in matches where I lose but people just play the game more casually. This game has become a an endless spiraling pit of "skill issue" in response to every possible gameplay balancing complaint, and I'm tired of it. I've led my fair share of 5 gen or game winning chases. But at some point it's not a skill issue, it's a fun issue. This game doesn't have balancing problem, it has a fun problem, and it's only gotten worse in the last year or two. We've settled on a macro META that is so dismissive or demanding on the skill expression of the game its depressing. The way to win DBD now is to sidestep exchanging skill expression entirely, and steamroll the other side so they can't do anything with ridiculous builds, addons, and playstyles that invalidates skill from the opposition as much as possible. It's not fun, it's not engaging, and is mostly just frustrating. Killers mostly just slug now, survivors mostly just gen rush, and I mostly just don't enjoy my time on this game. Maybe I'll come back someday and it'll be better.
You just burned out, and they stricted mmr some time ago, it's working better so you verse mostly sweaty nerds if you are not a baby yourself. As a killer dbd on high mmr is unbearable too, I just don't want to tunnel slug and camp every game with same 4 perks, but if I don't want to be humiliated, lose and receive toxicity for no reason for it - I must to do these things. And after releasing not fixed shoulder the burden I stopped playing, it is mathematically impossible to win vs pro team if you play not S tier killer
If you don't like playing against most killers, it is not because the killers are badly designed or unfair. It is because you do not enjoy playing Dead by Daylight. It's okay to not have fun in a game! Don't feel like you should be forced to play a game because you used to enjoy it. Besides that, pretty much the only killers I find frustrating are Hillbilly because he can essentially be anywhere on the map at any given moment and Singularity because he hits every frustration point of sort of requiring slugging, tunneling, camping, and 3 genning to do anything and has very little counterplay in chase. Honorable mention to Vecna with Bamboozle for being a killer whose only purpose is "no you don't get to do that" in response to anything a survivor can do in chase. Every other killer is genuinely fun to play against, including Nurse, Blight, Spirit, Plague, Artist, ect.
@ yeah that’s what I’ve come to realize. I don’t even think it’s just killers either, it’s that the game also heavily incentivizes slugging and hit and run gameplay these days. Which is just super unfun. I’ve started running a lot of 1v1s over the past few months, as well as focusing on flashbang saves. That’s kept my fun factor afloat, but it only delayed the inevitable. Funny thing is I love all those killers you just mentioned to tears with the exception of Singularity. I just hate this game now. And it seems like a waste of time when I could be playing games that I can guarantee are going to be fun when I play them. I can go an hour or two in dbd sometimes without having any fun whatsoever, and that’s just pointless. I think I’ll just chill out with Helldivers and Rivals for awhile.
@@stevenobrien7686 I hope you have fun! It's okay to move on : ) After all, DbD isn't going anywhere. I took a break for a year and then fell back in love with the game when I returned.
Oh man, I was totally onboard till Dracula. Three powers equals FIVE powers? Come on, Scott. It's SIX powers because they're doubly as good as Vecna's powers. Not falling for the bait post today!
@@nicolepanacho7128I just mentioned the other day to a friend that the power creep lately has been crazy. Not everyone is a no life sweat who only plays this game and then still can't manage to have fun. They totally forget about the casuals but who am i
@@Fenneccinos pretty much this. against high skill survivors, way too many killers are teetering on unplayable (that said, you CAN win most matches as most killers, it just requires a huge time investment to get good and you can really only pick one or two killers to get good with unless you are unemployed and dbd is the only game you own). low skill survivors are going to lose no matter what because they can't understand that flocking around the hook like hungry seagulls is a bad move or that you need to do gens to escape.
If you play the game consistently as an "annoying killer" you can make the argument that you're facing survivors abusing strong/unfun things too. Play who you want folks.
I got a -rep on my Steam profile today saying I was playing as sweaty as possible during the event It was a 12 hook game where I didn’t camp, slug, or tunnel and I was playing as Myers To be fair it was kind of my fault for not standing in a corner for the whole game, not sure what I was thinking
I feel like its important to point out that any killer is acceptable to play provided you go AFK when the match starts. EDIT: Except Nemesis of course because of his zombies.
Finally an actual tier list survivors can agree on that isn't by an entitled killer main so glad to see someone who really understands 🙃 next update bhvr will remove all these op, boring, uncounterable killers and the game will b fun again😉
okay, but it's kinda interesting that people got over their ptsd from release legion relatively quickly while other killers are stuck being viewed as negative for a really long time.
as a killer main, this has been really eye opening. i feel really guilty playing killer now and i also dont want to experience what the survivors have been living so im just gonna uninstall and go back to playing skyrim
Ngl, this is how I feel whenever I play killer. Just that's always something I don't satisfy about each and every one of them. I could never play the same killer over and over again, and that's why I'm not good at any one of them, which feed the loop
It is a bit strange to me that Houndmaster is so similar to Deathslinger but is a 4.6 killer _with map traversal_ added in. Imagine Deathslinger could redirect his shot halfway through, kick a pallet or gen while you're being held/pulled toward him, only has to wait 3 seconds rather than being slowed while reloading, and then can sprint to the other side of the map after he downs and hooks you. I don't get how her design made it through, and then got _buffed_ instead of just having bugs fixed.
This is always so funny to read because release houndmaster with no bugs would still be a trash killer, the vault speed went too far but it still should’ve been buffed, every other buff she got was warranted
the difference is that deathslinger can essentially hit you at any time at any loop, while houndmaster really can't. another huge difference is that slinger is the only killer that can decide where you get hit. So he can shoot you, drag you to a dead zone, and then guarantee the follow up. houndmaster has to m1 you where you got dogged on, which means you can continue to play the loop. slinger can also zone you wherever he wants by threating the shot without committing, allowing him to force you into bad positions and get free hits. houndmaster also can't do this, whistling is not enough of a threat as a slinger aiming his gun. She has to commit to sending the dog in order to threaten you with the redirect. not saying houndmaster is bad, just that there's a reason why slinger wins chases faster and at more loops than houndmaster. edit: also houndmaster's rng cooldown and slinger's consistent and low impact reload speed is a big factor. houndmaster missing is a big problem for the killer, slinger missing is almost a non-issue.
Imo, billy is the most fun Killer in chase. Especially a good one who feels the need to curve every loop possible. Typically the chase last for a decent amount of time. Usually impressed when im finally downed. People say curving is easy... imo, its never been easy for me.
As someone who cares deeply about the personal enjoyment of other random gamers I will never see again, and likely put zero thought into whether or not the killer is having fun, I would just like to say thank you for this tier list
when i played i loved playing nurses; the element of breaking los and forcing a prediction with making 50's with stuff like rocks and pallets is unique towards nurse. unfortunately pub nurses just play her because she's good and leave long chases though
😂 I feel convicted. I def make some of these complaints as Survivor and I def feel guilty for playing killer. SoloQ hurts because you experience the 1v1 but don’t feel rewarded by the 1v4 to counteract the bad feeling of losing your chase. Daily reminder to play both sides!
This video legitimately had me cackling. This is how you tease the community without being cringe and taking stuff too seriously. Every single killer was - "so boring" and every killer power had "no counterplay, you literally can't do anything". 😂 My favourite part was the Legion & Plague bit. "You can't do ANYTHING when you're injured" 😭
Killers I like to play against (I play soloq btw): Unknown, Dracula, Houndmaster, Xenomorph, Wesker, Twins, Blight, Executioner, Oni, Plague, Bubba, Hag, Nurse, Billy, and sometimes Trapper.
That was more cathartic than I would have thought. I’ve actually switched off playing the game entirely. Once you hit a certain SBMM it’s basically back to back SWF into subtle and then blatant cheating. You can play strong builds strong killers and have some chance or you can train yourself to just do meme builds and funny strats. That being said but I don’t think most people are built to just constantly play comp games. SBMM is the worst thing to happen to most games. Just makes the entire thing a sweat fest.
SBMM is fine and you get only placed in higher MMR if you keep winning until you hit your skill cap or the MMR cap and people will try to win and for me complaining about SBMM sounds to me like people are sad they can´t bully bad players anymore.
@@aroace7913then you don’t understand the point at all. Losing doesn’t matter. Winning doesn’t matter. If by bullying you mean winning then that’s not what I’m talking about at all. If by bullying you mean players tea bagging and just being toxic in general then that’s a separate topic. What I’m pointing out is Dbd is a completely survivor sided game if you have even 4 half way competent survivors. They balance the game around the absolute incompetence of a large portion of survivor mains. This entire vid is an illustration of that. 4 Mediocre survivors can win with ease. Only one of them at a time has to do anything skillful. The others just have to be efficient which takes zero mechanical skill and only the most basic of game sense. 1 loops and in tons of maps that means just pre drop everything. The others do gens. The end. Now once SBMM kicks in and you are in high ranks that means there is very little a 4 man SWF has to do to win. So with SBMM you end up with a bunch of unbalanced match ups. The entire point of SBMM is to protect noobs. It does that but it also punishes experienced players. Think of it logically. If you practice and get better than 50% of the player base you should see a greater than 50% win rate. SBMM completely negates this. It makes every game a sweat fest and de incentivize’s improving.
@aroace7913 What a bad faith reading of that comment. SBMM sucks in almost every game it's implemented in, not just DBD. That said, have you ever played killer before? Survivors can absolutely be the bullies, and as someone who's spent a lot of my DBD hours in both roles, I can say with absolute confidence the bullies tend to be SWF players. Especially at higher MMR. I personally rarely feel the need to sweat as a survivor, let alone bully killers. Even in Iridescent ranks. It's the complete opposite for killer at least 50% of the time, even in Bronze rank.
I love how this starts off somewhat reasonable and quickly descends into satire (not that it wasn't satire from the start obviously)
the sad part is half of the later ones arent even satire like genuinely clown / trickster / new houndmaster are pretty ass to go against. thats the point, it just seems like everything is ass to go against apparently
@ScottJund Oh yeah I'm already top 30 Houndmaster I love this killer so much, but I have to admit she needs a nerf, she's super oppressive. Her power still bugs out every now and then but I can play pretty much every single tile and even counter perks like Balanced and Lithe
@@ScottJund As a Clown main, I apologize for my existence. But I like the chase power being focused on positioning. I know Clown is MISERABLE to go against, but I just like playing as Clown.
I thought the point was that people will complain about every killer in the game for whatever reason? I'm kinda confused@@ScottJund
@@ScottJundyeah, playing survivor in general feels bad imo. Since the game's release you're incentivized to spend all your free time holding m1 on gens. Killers are made to play around what survivors can do in different ways but survivor gameplay is mostly the same. I always run Head On, Q&Q, and Dance With Me and treat that as my own power
The best killer is obviously the nurse to go against. The game is over within 30 seconds and I don't have to play any more DBD for the rest of the day. I get to go play civilization instead. S tier
I literally am crying laughing. I needed that. Thank you.
This one got me. 😂
Not having to play DBD is the best
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Yes, exactly!
2:25 congrats to Wraith on her transition
wraith thought being trans meant translucent
thats how she got in deadlock
She finally uncloaked for real
@@TheLethargicWeirdo985 "Translucent doesn't even mean invisible, it means semi-transparent"
@@dmnc_cmnd Well Wraith literally came up to me and said translucent; if you have a problem you'll have to take it up with her, not me
For a second there I was worried Freddy was gunna squeak through as acceptable
Close call
Deftones spotted, extract the user's brain for analysis. We most know what breeds the highest tier of intelligence and good taste within humanity.
Just got ohms on vinyl like 2 days ago ;9
Fun power? Jail
Boring power? Straight to jail
Too strong power? Jail
Too weak? Believe it or not, also jail. Straight to jail.
4:05 is genuinely my friend. She will play against any other killer but instantly becomes pissy and gives up against Freddy. Literally just because he was annoying 4+ years ago when we started playing.
Justified crashout
I can fix her.
Your friend needs to be subjected to the tombstone Myers experience, 3 maches in a row. Maybe that will fix her game view about "annoying"
@@sunrosec Bro chill
Haha yeah I’m like that but against every killer 🙂
honestly the way for so many killers he puts his head in his hands and says "theres nothing you can do" is fucking killing me really great job scott
Hearing "Obviously if your injured you cannot really do anything, You Cannot Repair Generators" About Legion and Plague got me giggling. I love the Jokey-ness of the video. Good stuff!
thanks scott, uninstalled dbd until they release a killer thats fun for survivors
They should just allow it to start a trial without a killer. repair generators, freak around, T-bag a bunch, smack other survivor's ass and leave. DBD as it's intended.
No, we obvously need a killer. Just make him slower as survivor and his power should do nothing. Basically a party trick as power. And reveal is aura across the map to everyone. And just for the reason that a Meg will still get downed, the hooks should teleport away from the killer after he picked up a survivor ;) @Cassiao
They should just have an option to choose which killer you want to go against
@@Cassiao I really like the smacking other's ass part. You bought me.
I love the idea of making spirit visible in her phase walk but remove the haste. She needs to be normal walking speed when using her power, and also I have to be able to see her too otherwise it’s obviously not fair.
is this bait
Still not fair. there's nothing you can do if she attacks you, you get injured and eventually you go down. Obviously OP, she should have half the walking speed when phasing and can't attack during it, would still be too strong, but I could accept it.
Kind of want a meme add-on that does this now.
"I live in America and I’m in constant fear of guns so that’s unacceptable" LMFAOOO
Dead by Daylight is a horror game though, genius design
@@tobiebrown3756Obviously, that’s why The Doctor uses electricity- His prices are shockingly unaffordable
@@cthulhubecausewhynot1182can't wait for the Medical Insurance killer 😂
Singers when they run double reload and send themselves to a school map😇
Scott "Both Sides" Jund at it again with some stinging satire, here's some gold kind stranger.
Scott had to lock in for a sec when it came to Freddy 💀
Almost had a "fun" killer lmao
"Dracula only has three powers but his three powers are better than vecna's four power so really it's like five powers" my favorite 12:25
The correlation between this list and a reverse tier list is pretty heavy
You keep saying "There's nothing you can do" but if you use the "DC" strat, you can counter all killers ez
Finally a dbd content creator that understands the community
7:20 "None of my 17 second Chance perks do anything against him when that happens" That had me dying 😭
3:34. I was being face camped by Bubba. Told my gf "He's gonna camp me, just do the gens and put pressure". I had two randoms proxy me and Bubba knew, so he stayed. One goes for the unhook and gets Bubba'd. Second one followed first one literally after seeing the first one go down (crouched behind the fencing near mid of Dead Dawg). Now, gf had to actually try to unhook me because the other two couldn't activate their neurons for basic preservation instincts and led to her getting downed trying to keep me from dying from hook. I basically spent the entire game waiting to die on hook and thought "Man, I just don't have fun playing the game anymore". Haven't touched it since, feels pretty good. Game just sucks because the rules of the game really encourage you to be an asshole and deliberately playing nice and fair tends not to reward ENOUGH to make the game feel more rewarding.
Oh yeah those survs, that cant just repar when 1 guy hooked for 1 billion years. Thats just not worth it for killer to facecamp if surv arent absolute morons. Asshole enouragment - tunneling\slugging, yeah thats it. With second chance perks in mind id rather slug with franklin and third seal etc.
clean haircut scott
Me: "Ya' know, I think I want to use Knockout."
My demons: "Bro what the fuck"
Yes. Give them no mercy.
Very informative video, Scott. Next upload has to be about the Survivor Approved Killer Rulebook, so that matches are more fun for survivors and killers have to be nice while they try to kill them.
theres so many of that already, why not a killer approved rulebook for survivors instead?
I do understand trapper, I find him personally the scariest killer because of his traps. Jokes aside, huntress can be a 50/50 (Not saying this is a reason to not play the game nor does it make it boring lol) because the skill expression on both sides is very fun but with bad connections it can sometimes be frustrating but that's not the killers fault. Otherwise, it's literally just a skill issue.
„There is always at least 3 Zombies on my generator“ is gold 😂
Is the "Man with Machete" alternate playstyle for Trapper acceptable?
absolutely not
he can still injure you with M1 meaning you wont be able to progress the game at all because youre injured
Saw this coming from a mile away from the thumbnail but great video as always Scott
the wesker bit is exactly how survivors in chat are when i play him
Scott -
Dead by Daylight ❌
Alive by Daylight ✅
As a survivor main, I sat down and actually thought about what killer I liked playing against. I realized that most of the killers are not fun to play against. Its also less about what killer you are playing and more about how the killer plays the game. I think ACTUALLY doing something about tunneling and slugging would do wonders for survivors dcing.
The best way to fix it is nerf survivor enough and buff the benefits hooking multiple survivors so they can nerf tunneling and slugging with out fucking killer over.
@garmr2512 I think there should be a system for hooking each unqiue survivor, with ramping bonuses to the killer for each unique hook streak. Then remove being able to tunnel entirely. When a survivor is unhooked they are unattackable and have no collision until another survivor is hooked.
@@Fotumain13 you'd need to make them attackable after a conspicuous action else they could do gens whilst the other 3 survs stealthed for the rest of the game
the bigger problem for implementing is actually that it'd make way way too many survivor perks completely useless.
I also don't know how much it'd fix dc's, a huge portion (if not the majority) that I see are on first down, so they don't even know if the killer would tunnel/slug at that point.
@@Fotumain13 old barbeque and chili rn:
@@bredbeanqueen2654 You thinking the only perks worth running, are the ones that stop tunneling and slugging. Should tell you everything you need to know about why the game is shit right now.
1:00 .... why do I feel like this video will descend into every killer getting crossed out? XD
Maybe one will remain for comedy sake
Definitely 😂
I'm proud you've finally had a change of mind about these broken killers! I've always believed you could have great takes
4:14 Honestly despite the satire, he isn't wrong. I main Pig and let me tell you people quickly give up once they have a bear trap on them even if I never tunnel, slug, or camp. I could be literally sneaking to kick a gen and suddenly get a head pop. This happens every 2 to 5 games, the rest it snowballs as people don't want to face 'toxic' Pig.
No one even bothers to try booping the snoot, but I don't blame them. Other Pigs I face as Survivor go really hard to win at all costs it's a given we have a bad rep now.
Follow up, "There's just nothing you can do" tier list.
as a pyramid head main, there is no counterplay asides from unplugging your router and throwing it out the window
This is unironically what talking about DBD anywhere online sounds like
Before the video started I already knew every single killer would be crossed out.
I genuinely think the game would be better if it had a team-based scoring/win system.
Many killers feel unfun in chase, because there's nothing you can do but make the inevitable down take more time.
But, if you knew that time was helping your team, and you benefit from your team "winning", then playing to maximize the team becomes more palatable.
In the words of Mathieu Cote: "I looped the killer for 7 hours, I unhooked 18 survivors, and I healed for 93 health states, I fixed 10 generators but then right at the end I died. Were you really skilled in the first place?"
@Cassiao ...Cote wasn't the one who made the "was it really a skilled play?" quote.
Jokes apart, the "scoring" system in DBD and even some some in-game tome's challenges/perks encourage survivors to be selfish. If your goal is to escape, it's easier to bring a key, Iron will, quick and quiet, distortion and left behind. Hide all game, wait for your teammates to die and escape through hatch. Therefore, yes, the game would great benefit from a scoring system that encourages team play. Like sacrificing for your teammates could still count as a win
@Cassiao ya, winning and losing as a team.
@@Corvus31 yeah I know. I was just joking. but he implied that when he said it. escaping counts more than helping your teammates
Great takes as always Mr Jund!
I feel like some of the satire is genuine critisisms of some killers hidden in with the memes.
all I know is that I'll be hiding in a locker waiting for everyone to get hooked, good luck out there! 😁
Damn, you are the oldest and first killer of DbD. The Bad Teammate! ;)
soloq are the real Killers 😁
Good to see nothing has changed since I stopped playing DBD(almost 3 years ago :o) I was hoping you were going to say "This killer is the only killer that is fun to play AND fun to play against. But Killers are not allowed to have fun. So... Nope..." Also... you forgot one killer : Nea
I know there's a ton of satire to this, but to be serious for a moment. I've come to realize I hate or dislike about half the killer roster when it comes to counter play against them. Then when you factor in all the unpleasant playstyles killers can adopt in any match, DBD has become pretty abysmal in terms of survivor fun in my experience/opinion. That's why I'll be taking a break for awhile. 2k hours in (most in survivor, but I enjoy killer when my friends aren't on), and I can't remember the last time DBD was this frustrating and unfun on survivor side than it is rn. I said this two years ago "this game only gets worse for survivor", and that has come true.
I don't care about "meta perks", or balance or any of that nonsense. When I play a game, I want to have fun and that has almost nothing to do with winning or losing. Often times when I win I have less fun than in matches where I lose but people just play the game more casually. This game has become a an endless spiraling pit of "skill issue" in response to every possible gameplay balancing complaint, and I'm tired of it. I've led my fair share of 5 gen or game winning chases. But at some point it's not a skill issue, it's a fun issue. This game doesn't have balancing problem, it has a fun problem, and it's only gotten worse in the last year or two.
We've settled on a macro META that is so dismissive or demanding on the skill expression of the game its depressing. The way to win DBD now is to sidestep exchanging skill expression entirely, and steamroll the other side so they can't do anything with ridiculous builds, addons, and playstyles that invalidates skill from the opposition as much as possible. It's not fun, it's not engaging, and is mostly just frustrating. Killers mostly just slug now, survivors mostly just gen rush, and I mostly just don't enjoy my time on this game. Maybe I'll come back someday and it'll be better.
You just burned out, and they stricted mmr some time ago, it's working better so you verse mostly sweaty nerds if you are not a baby yourself. As a killer dbd on high mmr is unbearable too, I just don't want to tunnel slug and camp every game with same 4 perks, but if I don't want to be humiliated, lose and receive toxicity for no reason for it - I must to do these things. And after releasing not fixed shoulder the burden I stopped playing, it is mathematically impossible to win vs pro team if you play not S tier killer
If you don't like playing against most killers, it is not because the killers are badly designed or unfair. It is because you do not enjoy playing Dead by Daylight. It's okay to not have fun in a game! Don't feel like you should be forced to play a game because you used to enjoy it.
Besides that, pretty much the only killers I find frustrating are Hillbilly because he can essentially be anywhere on the map at any given moment and Singularity because he hits every frustration point of sort of requiring slugging, tunneling, camping, and 3 genning to do anything and has very little counterplay in chase. Honorable mention to Vecna with Bamboozle for being a killer whose only purpose is "no you don't get to do that" in response to anything a survivor can do in chase.
Every other killer is genuinely fun to play against, including Nurse, Blight, Spirit, Plague, Artist, ect.
@ yeah that’s what I’ve come to realize. I don’t even think it’s just killers either, it’s that the game also heavily incentivizes slugging and hit and run gameplay these days. Which is just super unfun. I’ve started running a lot of 1v1s over the past few months, as well as focusing on flashbang saves. That’s kept my fun factor afloat, but it only delayed the inevitable.
Funny thing is I love all those killers you just mentioned to tears with the exception of Singularity.
I just hate this game now. And it seems like a waste of time when I could be playing games that I can guarantee are going to be fun when I play them. I can go an hour or two in dbd sometimes without having any fun whatsoever, and that’s just pointless. I think I’ll just chill out with Helldivers and Rivals for awhile.
@@stevenobrien7686 I hope you have fun! It's okay to move on : )
After all, DbD isn't going anywhere. I took a break for a year and then fell back in love with the game when I returned.
you have mastered the art of trolling sir 😂❤
i hate when Nemi has 3 zombies on me everywhere i go, totally unfair
Thank you Scott, I wholeheartedly agree with your list. I will go solo queue now.
6:37 WOAH watch the hard R brotha
Oh man, I was totally onboard till Dracula. Three powers equals FIVE powers? Come on, Scott. It's SIX powers because they're doubly as good as Vecna's powers. Not falling for the bait post today!
I love how he cried about unknown when all he said is there’s nothing you can do
Finally, someone unafraid to speak the truth. **finger-snapping applause**
As a survivor I DC against any killer that’s not a perkless Bubba
That’s idiotic.
10:26 the only killer he wasnt satiric about
Looking super clean Scott
This video is exactly what I expected and I wouldn't have it any other way
this video PERFETCLY... i mean perfectly, represents the toxicity in the DBD community
the problem with the "survivor approved killers list" getting lower and lower is the result of power creep
oh its a meme video probably, well my point still stands seperately
@@nicolepanacho7128I just mentioned the other day to a friend that the power creep lately has been crazy. Not everyone is a no life sweat who only plays this game and then still can't manage to have fun. They totally forget about the casuals but who am i
I've been talking about the power creep since Dredge.
there's power creep because survivor keeps getting better and stronger especially with current maps. lower tier killers just can't compete
@@Fenneccinos pretty much this. against high skill survivors, way too many killers are teetering on unplayable (that said, you CAN win most matches as most killers, it just requires a huge time investment to get good and you can really only pick one or two killers to get good with unless you are unemployed and dbd is the only game you own). low skill survivors are going to lose no matter what because they can't understand that flocking around the hook like hungry seagulls is a bad move or that you need to do gens to escape.
4:15 Freddy also isn’t allowed because survivors can have a hard time keeping track of him when they fall into the dream world.
If you play the game consistently as an "annoying killer" you can make the argument that you're facing survivors abusing strong/unfun things too. Play who you want folks.
I agree, play whoever you want since paid for the game. As long as it’s not nurse,trickster,knight,twins,skull merchant,clown and probably a lot more
What a clean cut, handsome young fella...
why would you ever hate my boy billy D: he is always good to go against
Huntress throwing boulders that curl around corners didn't even get mentioned.
6:35 "Don't get me started on these flickers" 🤨
hard r too
Unacceptable behaviour. Only say flickas
It took me until Doctor to realize he was going to do it for all of them lol.
I got a -rep on my Steam profile today saying I was playing as sweaty as possible during the event
It was a 12 hook game where I didn’t camp, slug, or tunnel and I was playing as Myers
To be fair it was kind of my fault for not standing in a corner for the whole game, not sure what I was thinking
this is the perfect mix of sarcasm and being dead serious
Now we need a killer approved survivor list
Good to see you Nega-Scott ^^
I just noticed all the killers are in order of when they were released, LOL.
I feel like its important to point out that any killer is acceptable to play provided you go AFK when the match starts.
EDIT: Except Nemesis of course because of his zombies.
Finally an actual tier list survivors can agree on that isn't by an entitled killer main so glad to see someone who really understands 🙃 next update bhvr will remove all these op, boring, uncounterable killers and the game will b fun again😉
Finally an unbiased list
The moment he got to Wraith I knew exactly how the video will go.
okay, but it's kinda interesting that people got over their ptsd from release legion relatively quickly while other killers are stuck being viewed as negative for a really long time.
A small part of Scott died the moment he put a cross through Bubba & Wesker.
as a killer main, this has been really eye opening. i feel really guilty playing killer now and i also dont want to experience what the survivors have been living so im just gonna uninstall and go back to playing skyrim
He got me at 3 zombies
Scott is too good at this. Should probably have his Halloween costume be Survivor Main
Ngl, this is how I feel whenever I play killer. Just that's always something I don't satisfy about each and every one of them. I could never play the same killer over and over again, and that's why I'm not good at any one of them, which feed the loop
It is a bit strange to me that Houndmaster is so similar to Deathslinger but is a 4.6 killer _with map traversal_ added in. Imagine Deathslinger could redirect his shot halfway through, kick a pallet or gen while you're being held/pulled toward him, only has to wait 3 seconds rather than being slowed while reloading, and then can sprint to the other side of the map after he downs and hooks you. I don't get how her design made it through, and then got _buffed_ instead of just having bugs fixed.
This is always so funny to read because release houndmaster with no bugs would still be a trash killer, the vault speed went too far but it still should’ve been buffed, every other buff she got was warranted
the difference is that deathslinger can essentially hit you at any time at any loop, while houndmaster really can't. another huge difference is that slinger is the only killer that can decide where you get hit. So he can shoot you, drag you to a dead zone, and then guarantee the follow up. houndmaster has to m1 you where you got dogged on, which means you can continue to play the loop.
slinger can also zone you wherever he wants by threating the shot without committing, allowing him to force you into bad positions and get free hits. houndmaster also can't do this, whistling is not enough of a threat as a slinger aiming his gun. She has to commit to sending the dog in order to threaten you with the redirect. not saying houndmaster is bad, just that there's a reason why slinger wins chases faster and at more loops than houndmaster.
edit: also houndmaster's rng cooldown and slinger's consistent and low impact reload speed is a big factor. houndmaster missing is a big problem for the killer, slinger missing is almost a non-issue.
I will admit, It took me a hot second to realize it descended into satire. My evening sudoku continues to entertain.
Nemesis moment for real, the zombies are always there, and my teammates have used the nearby pallets already.
Imo, billy is the most fun Killer in chase. Especially a good one who feels the need to curve every loop possible.
Typically the chase last for a decent amount of time. Usually impressed when im finally downed. People say curving is easy... imo, its never been easy for me.
I have been on the dbd subreddit long enough to know how the video will go
My eyebrows started to raise after the Billy description….i waited on nurse because it was 💯 valid…but your hag rundown gave it away 😅 bravo
How’s about if both sides play with no perks and add ons
As someone who cares deeply about the personal enjoyment of other random gamers I will never see again, and likely put zero thought into whether or not the killer is having fun, I would just like to say thank you for this tier list
when I heard the intro about "allowed" killers I was hoping the list would turn out as it did 😅
when i played i loved playing nurses; the element of breaking los and forcing a prediction with making 50's with stuff like rocks and pallets is unique towards nurse. unfortunately pub nurses just play her because she's good and leave long chases though
😂 I feel convicted. I def make some of these complaints as Survivor and I def feel guilty for playing killer.
SoloQ hurts because you experience the 1v1 but don’t feel rewarded by the 1v4 to counteract the bad feeling of losing your chase.
Daily reminder to play both sides!
Yep, you can clearly see some don´t because I still have people hide in lookers or in grass when I have my killer instinct in feral frenzy lol.
This video legitimately had me cackling. This is how you tease the community without being cringe and taking stuff too seriously. Every single killer was - "so boring" and every killer power had "no counterplay, you literally can't do anything". 😂
My favourite part was the Legion & Plague bit. "You can't do ANYTHING when you're injured" 😭
I was pretty confused by the title... but after Trapper I immediately saw where this was going 😂
It's like listening to a compilation of the DBD forums worst takes. Excellent work.
6:35 "Don't get me started on these Flickers" I can't believe he would say such a thing .. very disappointed in you Scott :(
Finally a tierlist I can agree with. 👍 Can we get another one next week? 🙏
Killers I like to play against (I play soloq btw): Unknown, Dracula, Houndmaster, Xenomorph, Wesker, Twins, Blight, Executioner, Oni, Plague, Bubba, Hag, Nurse, Billy, and sometimes Trapper.
“I live in America but I am in constant fear of guns”😂 7:07
oh my god! scott gave birth to another scott and the offspring made a video
That was more cathartic than I would have thought. I’ve actually switched off playing the game entirely. Once you hit a certain SBMM it’s basically back to back SWF into subtle and then blatant cheating. You can play strong builds strong killers and have some chance or you can train yourself to just do meme builds and funny strats. That being said but I don’t think most people are built to just constantly play comp games. SBMM is the worst thing to happen to most games. Just makes the entire thing a sweat fest.
SBMM is fine and you get only placed in higher MMR if you keep winning until you hit your skill cap or the MMR cap and people will try to win and for me complaining about SBMM sounds to me like people are sad they can´t bully bad players anymore.
@@aroace7913then you don’t understand the point at all. Losing doesn’t matter. Winning doesn’t matter. If by bullying you mean winning then that’s not what I’m talking about at all. If by bullying you mean players tea bagging and just being toxic in general then that’s a separate topic. What I’m pointing out is Dbd is a completely survivor sided game if you have even 4 half way competent survivors. They balance the game around the absolute incompetence of a large portion of survivor mains. This entire vid is an illustration of that. 4 Mediocre survivors can win with ease. Only one of them at a time has to do anything skillful. The others just have to be efficient which takes zero mechanical skill and only the most basic of game sense. 1 loops and in tons of maps that means just pre drop everything. The others do gens. The end. Now once SBMM kicks in and you are in high ranks that means there is very little a 4 man SWF has to do to win. So with SBMM you end up with a bunch of unbalanced match ups. The entire point of SBMM is to protect noobs. It does that but it also punishes experienced players. Think of it logically. If you practice and get better than 50% of the player base you should see a greater than 50% win rate. SBMM completely negates this. It makes every game a sweat fest and de incentivize’s improving.
@aroace7913 What a bad faith reading of that comment. SBMM sucks in almost every game it's implemented in, not just DBD. That said, have you ever played killer before? Survivors can absolutely be the bullies, and as someone who's spent a lot of my DBD hours in both roles, I can say with absolute confidence the bullies tend to be SWF players. Especially at higher MMR. I personally rarely feel the need to sweat as a survivor, let alone bully killers. Even in Iridescent ranks. It's the complete opposite for killer at least 50% of the time, even in Bronze rank.
@@jacksondavis9442
OHH I play killer I know but you only face them when you keep winning.
@@davidodonohoe1773
I play killer and I know and you just face the people who are are as good as you are.
As a killer main I approve this message
Love how the amount of effort for fucks given steadily descends throughout the video 😂
Freddy getting the trauma ban. He can't catch a break.