CHEAP, FUN & SEXY: Panasonic S9 PICS & SPECS LEAKED!
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Tony Northrup brings you the latest photo news: Leaked specs & pictures of the new Panasonic S9! This compact, full-frame 24 megapixel mirrorless L-mount camera is entirely unique. It's small, beautiful, and available in multiple colors. It has a flip screen for creators & TH-camrs and it's only $1,500!
However, it does have some drawbacks. It lacks a viewfinder, so you have to use the rear screen for everything. It's also so small and flat that it's probably going to be difficult to balance bigger L-mount lenses. Fortunately, Sigma has a bunch of smaller L-mount lenses that will look and function great. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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The Lumix menus actually make sense... lol to each their own I guess.
Same here 😂 I’m good with it.
Tony doesn't like it because he never uses it
I’ve never heard anyone complain about Panny’s menu system. I thought it was pretty well regarded. There is no way that pancake is f/8, is there?
Edit: I thought it was F/1.8 but it really seems to be F/8
Its F8. Apparently its supposed to give you the disposable camera feel of shooting. But also heard that it may come for free with the camera
@@chronocross85 its an incredibly risky move. Newcomers might look at the pictures and think that's all "real" cameras have to offer.
Add the 24MP and people might actually compare the pictures with their phone and don't see that big of a difference.
I don't think that one is really intended to be used. To me this camera screams L-Mount Primes and it wouldn't make sense to include one of those because they're half the price of the body.
@@gamebuster800 my Sony A7c 24mp is way sharper than any phone I ever used. Even with iPhone 15 48mp is not nearly as sharp. Lens of course is the number one thing that separates phone camera from a DSLR or Mirrorless.
I really really disagree with you about the menu system.
Yeah, Panasonic has a large menu system but well layouts
100%
Was going to say the same thing. Canon's menu is set up for what appears to be made for kids. Sony has gotten a bit better here recently but their menu system has been pretty much trash. Haven't used a Fuji or Nikon in a long time so maybe he's comparing it to them?
26mm f8 is the dummest lens I ever heard.!
Its probably going to be a big body cap lens
it's essentially a high quality snapshot / body cap type lens. it's not meant for high performance or lowlight. that being said I would've loved if they got it to at least f5.6.
@@Kevon420 f8 with m43 is worthless for far too many situations
I agree. The fact that it's so slow makes me think the idea was to reduce cost more so than size - Sony, Canon, and Sigma make lenses that are very nearly as compact but much faster. But why target such a low price with a FF camera? It's just dumb. Sure to win the worst lens of the year award.
@@veganpottertheveganYes but this is a full frame camera so you can afford to lose about 2 stops vs MFT.
Aren't we underestimating young people? Whoever looks for a camera instead of a smartphone is someone that wants the craftsmanship of photography or videography, just like before smartphones the people that moved to a reflex from a full auto point and shoot. Having said that, camera menu systems are bad for all ages 😂
They want something that is different, new and beautiful. My daughter uses my Fujifilm X10 and there are few small cameras that look that cool and are small.
I’m 19 and mainly shoot on film
Yeah, like naturally they will realise an evf is better for a lot of situations if they didn't already know
@@bigboichoi0073 Awesome! The S9 actually reminds me of the Minolta CLE film camera which is in turn similar to the Leica CL which was made by Minolta for Leica.
That statement does not underestimate young people. It just address many younger people’s experience with photography with their cell phone. My High School has a photography club, and I’ve taught several how to improve their results using cameras. But, by far, my students are using their cell phones to take pictures in my lab.
They should have copied the Nikon 26mm f/2.8 pancake lens.
I’m betting this will be 2.8
@@bavideomaker29 It's not. It says it's f/8 right on it in the picture. Might be okay for daylight street photos if it has great image quality. I'm not interested personally.
Or the Canon EF-m 22 f2
@@answeris4217 Yeah exactly, but that iss APS-C. I had that lens and it was awesome. I have a Samyang 35mm f/2.8 on my A7RIII now and I love it.
This lens sounds like someone mixed and messed up two (or more) potentially awesome lenses: a 50bucks MF bodycap f/8 and a somewhat fast AF pancake (series).
This camera is an F-ing rollercoaster ride.
Seeing these compact full frame cameras and all their flaws/compromises just makes me wish that Sony had put in more effort to make theirs more attractive.
I wonder if we will ever see the rx1 line updated
I, a young person, uses the EVF depending on what I am shooting. If I am sitting in a bush, waiting for a bird to perch, I will use the LCD, because the camera is on a tripod and hard to maneuver. whereas if I was run-and-gunning, I would use the EVF for the extra stability.
i sit in a bush but its so the cute girl down the street doesn't see me
I’m the same, but I also use the LCD when I’m holding the camera super low
Well this camera isn’t for bird shooting and run and gun. This seems more like an entry level FF compact street/travel hyprid photography/video cam
@@ephrancd1 no mechanical shutter and no EVF make it pretty poor for street photography imo. honestly I don't see this being good for snapshooting/street photography really, Lumix should've gone off of the Sony a7C more than the Sony ZVE1.
@@Kevon420 no mechanical shutter is definitely a deal breaker. I hope that’s not the case when they reveal the camera
I, an "old" person (40+), never uses the EVF so I won't miss it. It's mostly an annoyance when I accidentally touch the sensor and the screen turns off. If its removal saves money, space and weight I'm pretty happy.
I don't use the evf either
I have an S5 this would be a great second camera to have for vactions, when I want keep things light weight and casual
I think Lumix menu is good, but yes it's more layer than the past.
I am an L mount S5 owner and I would probably trade for something more compact, this doesn't look like its quite it though, I was hoping for full frame GX9, but likey that is never coming, the S5 works for me well enough so its OK.
nice.. these videos are very interesting talking about cameras not released yet.. great information thank you Tony!
I saw this camera just the other day at a museum. I notice cameras that people use and saw a guy was holding the red leather one that looked just like this. When I asked the guy what that camera was, he said it was a no-nothing camera and that it wasn't special and walked quickly away. Wow. So cool
Probably an Influencer under embargo 😂 and you walked into his testing.
@@moneyboys2010 if it was an influencer they would brag about it. That's what they do. That's all they do.
Open Gate is absolutely one of the best features in the S5II, no you can’t not “re-record” travel, events and family moments.
He’s referring to people making content for tik tok videos. Why would you need to make your travel/family videos vertical?
@@cjenkins79 I because of instagram… Not by choice. Still share some clips or 1 min edits
I rarely use my EVF these days, since I need to shoot quick, one handed, yet keep an eye on other stuff. I look forward to it.
I find Panasonic menus extremely easy to use. Just press the display button on any setting and you have a very simple information display to assist your settings.
Immediate click when I see you guys post a new review!
Well done for being the first reviewer (I've seen) to mention the issue of no EVF for people who need reading glasses
Sound is real good, Tony! Wayy better than when you used to use some kind of noise reduction or something similar
I have the same vision challenges as you, Tony - need to break out my readers to see the flip-out screen well.
I'm starting to notice it happening too. Shooting at chest height or even lower helps (aim the flip screen upwards), though not if it ruins your composition. I guess being taller helps with that. Photographer struggles.
I was excited for the 26mm but f8? Eh… not the best I’ll be honest and it’s a shame the L-mount needs more pancakes or well a pancake in general. This camera regardless sounds great, but give me an EVF. I have S5iiX that I love and the only way I’m sidegrading it is if Panny gives us an EVF. Oh well more waiting.
Also respectfully disagree, S5ii menu is honestly one of the better ones in the industry for me. Not sure why people dislike it.
Edit: I thought it was F/1.8 but it really seems to be F/8
@@gamebuster800 it says S 1:8 / 26mm, if it was 1.8 it would say S 1:1.8 / 26mm. Unfortunate, the area where Panasonic has really just not had a great time with lenses has been L mount. They have a few bangers but nothing solid across the board. At least we have Sigma.
@@ContraGrain You're right! There's also Leica and Voightlander glass for L mount, right? You can even get a Leica 24-70 F/2.8, which is just... weird. It's like a Porsche Minivan.
@@gamebuster800 no Voightlander options yet which is unfortunate as they have MFT options. Also the Leica 24-70 apparently from what I’ve heard is identical to the Panasonic 24-70 but rebranded.
I've used Canon, Olympus, Pentax, Nikon and Panasonic menus.
I honestly think Panasonic has one of the best layouts.
I don't get Tony's frustration, especially when he uses Sony as well 😀
Why do folks complain about lack of evf, when Panasonic already make cameras with evf for them?
Because they don't make a compact full frame rangefinder style camera with an evf. For many, this would've been perfect if it had an evf
@@CianMcsweeneyexactly that
Old man here ... Just got my S5IIX, while the menus are overwhelming at first (there is a lot) I it pretty easy to navigate. Also ...rumors of S9 having overheating issues
Tony's complaint about the Zf (no good retro lenses) is spot on, so glad to see someone else say it. I was so excited for the Zfc as a fun daily camera, and was shocked when I realised the "aperture ring" on the SE lenses were purely aesthetic. What a missed opportunity. If anyone knows of a good 3rd party alternative, preferably around 26mm and compact, please let me know!
Since Sony lenses really work well on Nikon z with an adapter I was even thinking of adapting these tiny Sigma contemporary lenses or Sony's Tony G primes to the ZF.
@geedee3817 oh that's interesting, didn't know those kinds of adapters existed. I was going to look at the Sigma lenses Tony mentioned in this video but they don't make them for Z mount. I've seen the Sony lenses with the smooth/click aperture rings, so that might be a good call.
@@hoodie3810 you find them from Techart and Megadap for example (Sony to nikon Z). then you get to enjoy the aperture ring on those lenses which i really miss on the 2 retro style primes from Nikon.
@@geedee3817hoping sigma eventually brings them natively to z mount
I am sticking with my pair of sony A7c bodies...they do everything I need...with lenses for all situations......but I I am sure panasonic folks will be happy.
I think that actually has the exact same image sensor as this camera.
I'm really looking forward to this. That said, I am worried Panasonic will make some dumb decisions that seriously compromise this camera.
In my opinion, the LUMIX menu system is fantastic! I think some people just wanna find something to hate. Hate on their OLD auto focus! Hahaha!
Each to their own but no viewfinder is an instant deal breaker for me on any camera. Might as well just shoot with my phone.
People are using viewfinders less and less. Makes sense in order to reduce price and size.
@@MusicByAngels that's a false economy when it becomes a flop. Doesn't make sense to launch a product that over half your target customers won't want because of the lack of an evf.
@@MusicByAngels Panny could do what Canon did with the M6Mk2, offer an optional hot shoe external viewfinder for those who want one.
@@amberhawkeThis camera has a “cold shoe” as Chris put it, so that option wouldn’t work.
@@mikijourdan9559 I know that!
I said “could do”, which infers that Panasonic can’t do it currently, but if they so chose to do it in the future, of course they would redesign the cold shoe to become a hot shoe. How else could you get an external EVF?
If you're looking for a camera to upgrade from your phone the Nikon Z 30 does 11 frames p/s and comes with a 16 to 50 kitlens.
I think it's as it always was. There are cameras for every audience. Like the Polaroids or point and Shoots back in days of DSLRs. And that's important to keep camera manufacturers alive and relevant.
I disagree on the menu system, Panasonic has one of the best/ most intuitive menu systems with much easier custimisation options than other cameras, my Canon R7 was a nightmare to set up compared to my S5II and Sony's menu system is still hellish.
I'm relatively new with cameras, my first "real" one was the S5 and when I got it I was terrified by the 200 buttons and 2000 menu items. I've got the S5II now and I'm used to how it works but I still think it's way too complicated. I warmly welcome a simplified menu and hope Panasonic will make it more user friendly for the "smartphone generation".
I'm loving my zf. My favorite combo is actually with a m mount adapter and the voigtlander 21mm f3.5! I have a hard time not using that combo :) did look at the e mount adapter and those sigma lenses. Heard good things.
That sounds so fun, I’m jealous
I love Panasonics menu system. To me it is better than all other brands
Its a great camera. for those who know. Not for brain washed. Proud Lumix user since 2008. Never looked back.
When I started to learn about photography, I also used the rear screen - until someone showed me the pros of the viewfinder. Now, a camera without a view finder is an absolute no go for me.
I bought a camera with an EVF specifically because I got tired of not being able to see what I was shooting when in bright sunlight. And once you get used to it you can frame images better and faster with the EVF. I only use the screen when needing to take a picture in an awkward position or when the camera is extended away from my body.
Sound is fine. Must be a good mic
If this had an evf and a traditional shutter speed dial, I’d seriously consider getting one.
*Tony* Does the mic problem make it sound like your nose is blocked? Or is your nose actually blocked? I ask because I hate recordings of my own voice but your audio problem makes me wonder if actually I have a mic problem rather than nasal problems.
He used AI to enhance voice, the “nose blocked” impression are artifacts caused by the Ai’s enhancement
I think 😅
Marie Antoinette never said “Let them eat cake”, but Tony and Chelsea really said:”Cheap, Fun and Sexy”. So detached from reality and “sexy” and everything REAL as Marie prior to 1789. A caricature of the USA or what’s left of it.
You’re kidding.. Panny’s menus are totally fine.
I want to see some more Tony and Chelsea travel vlogs
I wanna see their vlog from epstein Island 😂
I love the Panasonic menu setup on my S1. As a 65 year old who wears bi-focal glasses I should be able to cope with the lack of an EVF?
I'm a potential buyer for this camera as a replacement for my Panasonic GX 80 / 85 micro four thirds camera.
Combined with one of those compact Sigma DG DN I series primes e.g. the 35 mm F 2 it could be a low profile street photography camera.
Thanks for your interpretation of the currently known specifications.
Gotta think there will be a Red Dot version of this for $3999
You're low balling it 😅
I love your reviews. I learn alot
Except grammar
Thank you.
@@bngr_bngr why are you thanking them?
I have an S5II and I don't plan on getting an S9, and while I rarely use the EVF on the S5II, I do use it at times. I find the screen on Panasonic cameras can have too much reflections and even at the brightest setting on the S5II, I found the screen can be a little hard to see due to reflections at certain angles in bright lighting conditions and in those conditions I find the EVF very useful.
The attachment grip doesn't look deep enough to really be useful. I am wondering about the no mechanical shutter with the readout speed of the sensor.
I have never had an issue with Panasonic cameras menu systems once I learned where the settings are. Then again, since 2006 I have used a GH4, GH5, GH6 and S5II so I am well used to Panasonic cameras menu systems and I know where all the settings are and use My Menu for all the settings I use the most often.
Not everyone needs wide aperture lenses all the time, so the 26mm being f/8 really isn't a big deal, especially at that price point. I often shoot at f/8-f/11 for landscapes and street photography and videos and never had an issue doing that. Plus besides the Sigma contemporary lenses, there are the Panasonic f/1.8 primes from 18 to 85mm which are not big and they are all the exact same size if you want wider aperture prime lenses.
So half way between the fp and fpL plus IBIS. (Ie PD AF like the fpL, but 24MP like the fp).
Apparently the announcement is tomorrow, I'm super excited!
Wednesday.
@@josh6499 Well it's Tuesday here in Europe so technically it's tomorrow 🙂
It’s past your bed time.
Hi Tony, have you seen the pictures where the hot shoe offers no contacts at all? Up to now Lumix cameras supports no flash using electronic shutter…
It looks interesting. The lack of an EVF doesn't bother me at all, if it helps keep the size down.
Lumix menues are great. Not perfect but easy to customise and pretty well thought out. I think this is more of a case that you don't use Lumix cameras too often. I may be projecting here but I do get the sense that you don't take Lumix very seriously for some reason. Which is fine, I've still followed both of you for years and will do for many more years to come I imagine.
The 28mm looks more like a f/2.8 or d/1.8. Could it be a typo on the preproduction lens?
Looks good.
I also see the nikon zf on the desk.
When full ZF review?
Hey Tony, I’m very interested… one of my all time favourite cameras is the Lumix LX100. Currently using a Nikon Z30 as my casual walk around point and shoot camera - it’s light, ergonomics are brilliant and the images are beautiful. It’s more fun to use than my iPhone, and you get to shoot images in a way that people ignore… as soon as you put a camera up to your eye now, you stand out. Has the S5/but got rid of it because it was tooooo big!
Good point on the EVF on this one Tony.
But to all the other demands, I think LUMIX has a right to do whatever they want to do just like you do not need to buy it. LUMIX is moving ahead pretty fast to stay ahead or inline with the competition yet we shooters can’t stop complaining 😂
Was gonna try to get the nikon z30 but I'll wait for this one because Lumix has such great color profiles
I've got a S5 and many lenses for usual photography. I also have a X100F to have one camera in my pocket even when walking the dog. If I can get a full frame L mount camera like S9 and add a 35mm f2 from Sigma, I'll be happy.
I can live without an EVF if it's not my primary camera, but the allegedly short 4k recording time and lack of mechanical shutter would be dealbreakers. This has the potential to be a stylish, compact second body for travel/backup/EDC for an existing L-mount user, but I don't think we are Panasonic's target market for this camera. I guess we will see in a few days if the rumors are correct or not.
Excited for this camera. I love the functionality of the s5ii, but it’s clunky. I much prefer the form factors of my Q2 and RX100vii. I wonder if the S9 will look/feel weird with normal-sized L-mount lenses?
Like so many others, I have to disagree with you, Tony, about the Panasonic menu system for the sake of your non-Panasonic viewers. The system is super intutive, clean and quick to navigate, and is highly customizable. It’s generally a well regarded system in the camera industry.
Any idea if weather sealed? It does have IBIS and phase detect AF of the s5ii, so perhaps the weather sealing too…albeit that’s a body issue not a sensor one. Nicely done video Tony!
I'm gonna guess no. Budget cameras rarely have any extensive weather sealing.
I'm interested in this as a potential gimbal camera to match my S5iiX. So hopefully it has good autofocus.
Interesting take on the menu system, as I (and many others) think Lumix has by far the best menu system in the business (and I shot film before you were born, well before the concept of a camera menu existed and there was no auto-anything!).
Re the S9, no EVF, no sale. It's also a shame that so few people learn with a proper camera anymore--phones are a compromise at best (plus the term "creator" isn't appropriate to describe those who produce the ubiquitous, mediocre "content" seen in recent years, basically since the advent of "smart" phones--and don't get me started on "influencers"--ugh).
Also, mechanical shutters will soon become a thing of the past (I rarely use them), especially once global shutters become common. Re IBIS, that requires physical space within the body, so it will be limited compared to what can be achieved with "conventional" bodies (such as the S5--the G9M2 has even better IBIS due to the smaller sensor in essentially the same body).
Oh, and excessive background blur is way overrated (and ever more overused). Oh, and "FF" is overkill--long live MFT!!!
You are the very first person that says the AF from the Zf is subpar. Everyone else says that is top notch at least at the level of modern Canon bodies.
I was quite shocked to see Tony having issues with the ZF ive been impressed with mine and found it decent and reliable, i own quite a few newer Sony cameras which are know for there AF systems so i have other decent cameras as a comparison.
Crazy that it costs the same as an xt50. Not for me but I like it when camera companies get a little kooky, hope it sells well.
I love the camera already
1:35 dude is holding the camera like it owes him money.
Yep, Lumix menues are frustrating. I recently got a ZS200 and love it. But that menue has taken much longer to get use to than expected. Much more confusing than Pentax, Nikon, Canon, or Olympus.
I have a question why cant they put a software like a phone to be able edit within the camera or even to take shots like the Google pixel etc. As often my phone takes better images but the downfall is the resolution for print. i would be happy to have google pixel software in my fancy big camera .
this could be really good underwater camera
Hi Tony, Any word on when the Nikon Z6III is gonna be out?
A7cii only has first curtain electronic shutter, not a full mechanical shutter.
Is their menu as bad as Fuji's? I've had my X-S10 for over a year and a half now and still have to look up how to change some settings...
I have used Panasonic cameras since I got a GH4 in 2006. I had a GH4, GH5, GH6 and now use an S5II. The menu layout has stayed more or less the same in each camera, just a few settings have been added/changed and I find it easy enough to navigate once you know where different settings are. While it may seem like there is a lot of settings, once you know where they are, it is easy enough to find them. There is also a My Menu where you can add settings you use the most often and its quick to access if you don't want to spend time searching for certain settings.
Pretty much done with Panasonic. Loved the compact M43, and although I sold my of my M43 gear, I still have a GX9 with a 14-140 lens for lightweight travel, but Panasonic abandoned that product line. The full size Panasonic equipment is both very large, and no better than anything from Canon, Nikon or Sony. I have moved over to Sony with mostly APS-C (A 6600 & A6700 with a full range of lenses), but recently bought an A7CR and a pair of lenses to play with. The full frame Sony body is very compact, but the lenses not so much compared to APS-C or M43.
Why are we speculating leaks when everyone else had review units?!? I thought this was a gear review channel? 😭😭 All the other channels just posted their first impressions.
He didn't get invited to Japan but he will do a review so next year he gets invited
The obvious camera to compare it to, is the Sigma fp L, very similar concept, size etc. just better in lots of ways, so why leave it out?
Looks pretty cool.
Adobe Speech Enhance used? or something else? there's so much options now to recover bad dialogue audio
I wonder if there will be a Leica version of that camera in the future?
With a shutter/iso dial instead of the PASM dial.
Probably, think the Leica version will have a viewfinder though
Right now, the Lumix stabilization is as far ahead of everything else like the AF was behind until they got PDAF. This stabilization, especially the e-stabilization for Video is the most important feature in the new cameras (S5-II, G9-II and now S9). I personally need the viewfinder, I don't like the recording limit and I think the price is to close to the S5-II. I'm not sure if it will find it's market.
The 26mm lens looks like a show piece they made just for the looks. They needed a small lens that make the camera look like they want it to look. It is made for the pictures of the camera not with the camera.
I'd love a camera like this as an "oldie" but that sync speed is a deal breaker. I had an MFT G100 a while ago and sold is as the sync speed was 1/50s i think. Otherwise it was pretty good. (I shoot canon and MFT depending upon my needs)
Sometimes an EVF is necessary. I think Pana should have included a just-in-case one
I would not buy a camera without a viewfinder. I have six cameras, including the Lumix DC-GX9. This will take approx. 260 photos with a fully charged battery. However, if you switch to economy mode (not using the rear screen) you can get up to 900 exposures. It is unlikely that this would be possible with the new Lumix camera Tony is talking about. Regarding menus, I have used all brands of camera (except Pentax) and I found the Panasonic menus a revelation. Everything is clear and precise. I also foud that the menus on Sony and Fuji cameras left a lot to be desired. Olympus menus are the most convoluted and it takes time to wade through them. But Tony is correct when he says he would not recommend the f8.0 lens. A lens with a maximum aperture of f8.0 is probably not going to be much use in poor light or at night time. Even though I would not buy the camera, the red version looks good!
It's a conspiracy theory! The mic on the table is a ploy that the whole thing is voiced and filmed with AI! (I bet Tony wishes it was that easy)
The S9 will the same IBIS as the S5II, and that it self makes it a better choice for video, than any Sony
A nice lemony yellow hand grip would be appropriate
The S5ii has rolling shutter correction, and the S9 are going to have it also. Thats my there is no mechanical shutter. You need to have it on high speed shooting to get the correction, and not in single shot.
I would be prepared to pay $300 maximum for this.
The awesome menu structure is one of the reasons I went to Panasonic… AITAH? 😮
Panasonic menus are the best in the industry, I think is what Tony meant to say.
You are thinking in S5c, maybe is a Zv-e1 type camera. :)
Live show back this week?
If I would make a purchase, I would definitely go for the Canon Eos R8 (it''s actually cute). Why? Compare to all those options there it seems to be a better overall camera deal and with better basic, cheap and small but very good Lens ecosystem primes for beginners. Like: the Canon RF IS: 24mm & 35mm f/1.8, and the 85mm f/2 (Stabilized) , or the 50mm f/1.8. All affordable, light and small lenses, pair with a potent fullframe camera that only overheat at 4k 60p (15') for about $1,200. I would definitely go for the Canon Eos R8, personally!!
I am in pre-order hell for the X100VI. I was hoping the Lumix would be an option, but no EVF is a deal breaker. Maybe the X-T50?. Alas, way too expensive for what it is ($400 price increase). Compromised X-T5 but not clear enough price differentiation for all of the compromises.
No EVF might be a big dealbreaker for many, and those who already shoot without EVF might already own a Ricoh and not be in the market for a switch. I think especially the combination might make it unattractive too many people: No EVF, possibly no shutter, interchangeable lenses but in a stripped down body that can be mostly seen in fixed lens bodies...)
what a genius idea to get new users to join the Panasonic system by releasing a f8 lens.