Suzuki GSX-8S vs Yamaha MT-07 Head-to-Head
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- For a number of years now, new motorcyclists looking for a bike to enjoy after taking their test would turn to the Yamaha MT-07 as a perfect route. Its combination of distinctive styling, a fantastic #CP2 engine, and an inimitable fun factor made it a firm favourite and de facto ruler of the sub-1,000cc naked sector.
That middleweight naked world is changing though, and it's the emergence of bikes like the new Suzuki GSX-8S that are shaking the tree and looking to pull riders from the Yamaha brand.
To find out if the Yamaha has still got what it takes to rule the roost, Visordown's Toad and Matt spent a sunny day blasting around the Northamptonshire countryside, swapping #bikes and opinions as they went.
#Yamaha #MT-07 #Suzuki #GSX8S
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Really wish when you guys would do these comparison videos that you'd refer to the bikes by their names, and stop referring to them as "this one here" "mine" "the one I got" ect.... Because people like me like to listen to your videos while doing other things like driving, and I can't see what "this one" or "that one" is that you're referring to. Please help your listeners. Because then this video is doomed to be only viewed while I'm pooping.
Now there's a vision I didn't need while tucking into my morning coffee! On a serious note, thanks for the feedback, we will definitely take it on board.
Agree with this comment. You have to stop what you're doing and rewind the video.
@@visordown just do it.. it's eeeaasy at your end.. also.. 67nm of torque.. 87nm.. AT WHAT RPM FFS do you understand what torque is & what it represents in terms of engine efficiency
@@visordownI’d have to agree with the original poster. I started off watching the video but then put my phone down while multitasking and couldn’t follow without needing to see what you were referring to as following along with audio only was confusing.
Toad I can remember a Comparison Test you did 3 or 4 years Back Between the MT -07
& the Kawasaki Z 650 you gave a Slight Nod to the Z650. But the Kawasaki barely gets
Involved in Middle weight Tests these Days
Do you Think Team Green need to to
Make the Z a 750 ?
I love the look of the Suzuki 8S
Nice review. The GSX8S is definitely a cut above & there's been a changing of the guard for sure. However when Yamaha upgrade this to the inevitable MT08 & hopefully make it a bit prettier with better suspension too, it'll be back up there.
The GS8 definitely feels more grown up of a bike but that doesn’t make it more fun. As a sports bike, it lacks some thrills. It depends what you want from a bike.
Why would they make an mt08 ? They have an mto9
@@alphacapo Really? The MT09 is an 890cc triple with 118hp & the MT07 is a 689cc parallel twin with 72bhp. They are in completely different market sectors. The reason the MT07 isn't top dog anymore is because the Hornet, Duke 790 & GSX8S have larger capacity's of 755cc, 776cc & 799cc respectively. Therefore by adding 60-100cc to the MT07, you make it both competitive & an MT08.....if Yamaha were so inclined to change the name that is. Or they just make it bigger & retain the MT07 name which is probably easier tbh. Either way though it will most likely be getting a capacity increase that will put it closer to 800cc than 700 to make it more competitive.
@@Steve-motorcyclesnot sure what you are referring to but between the hornet and gsxs8s, the gsxs8s is the most similar to the mt07 in low end power delivery and surpass it in power delivery at higher rpm. Not sure what mt07 thrills the gsx8s cannot provide, this is coming from a former mt07 and mt09 owner. The mt07 used to be special but the formula has been copied and improved.
@@trailrider1980 I too have owned a MT07 and currently own an MT09SP. The new Suzuki is a superior bike than the MT07 mainly because is has a larger displacement engine. It’s also heavier and has a longer wheel base. It is even over 10kg heavier than your mentioned MT09. I stand by it lacks the same excitement as the MT07. Because it’s heavier and has a longer wheel base, the GSX8 does have a more planted feel but personally I prefer the lighter, quicker, bike like a Hornet or even better 790 duke.
Hove the head to head videos, you guys do it well. I bought the GSX 8S. Love it. Feels like a more grown up bike than it is. Mind you the 8R looks cool...
The MT07 urgently needs an update so as not to lose too much ground to the competition. Nice and honest review!
Suzuki is 20% pricier than the MT, at least in Poland, still looks like a pretty damn good value for money proposition to me.
I agree, nowadays it's very basic and yet they kept pushing up the price.
GIVE USD FORK IT'S ALREADY 2023 fucking hell Yamaha...
It is strange to see a modern bike with non-USD forks! For sure an update is in the works, it's such an important model.
@@gawelszymanski3251 In poorer countries, price is the most deciding factor, yes. But it's not everything :) Suzuki is more expensive for a reason, the suspension on MT7 is laughable :D
No bike has ever given me a bigger smile than the MT-07. In fact it was so much fun that I traded in my GSX-R1000 for it.
Wow, what's your favorite thing about the MT 07
@@boxxjumper82 first and foremost how flickable it is, how it’s perfectly balanced for traffic with torque right where you want it all while being comfortable and easy to ride - it just feels right. Only downside is highway riding, but that’s the same with all naked bikes - when you get to about 130 km/h and above, the wind becomes a fun-limiting factor. But since I do very little highway riding, it’s a nonissue for me.
@@Harudes Nice ! I enjoy a flickable bike myself, I'm debating 07 or 09. I do a bit of highway riding, so I'm leaning 09 but I'm not sure really.😅
@@boxxjumper82 Where I live, the 09 is almost 40% more expensive and it’s not 40% better. It has only a little more 0-100 and top speed (which is negligible anyway as it’s a naked), but not as flickable as the 07. If you like to wheelie, the 07 may be one of the easiest bikes to do it on. You should try both - to me the 07 felt just right - ergonomics, grunt, handling. Oh, and a carbon exhaust will make sweet music - it’s a must have upgrade ☺️
@@Harudes i probably only need the 07 but i need to ride them both. Thanks for your input
I have a 17 model Yamaha and I wouldn't trade it in for the Suzuki, but if I didn't have it and was shopping for a bike I would probably choose the Suzuki. I don't really care for the looks of the headlight on either model though.
The MT-07 is a grin factory. The GSX by comparison feels like a much more serious machine.
There is no comparison regarding quality of suspension, brakes and overal between this two. 8s superior on everything and in my country 1000eur more than mt07 which costs the same as the new hornet which is again superior in every way to the mt07. Yamaha needs one of two things, refresh the mt07 to better suspension and tech or lower the price by 1000eur. Same applies to sv650 which is my favourite bike but not acceptable to cost almost the same as the new hornet.
In Germany the Suzuki is literally like 600 EUR more, who the fuck would pick the MT-07 over it except for some teenagers who need that edgy Yamaha look and image ?
The brakes on the Suzuki gs8 are almost the same as the Hornet
Just off of looks the 8s looks better to me
Hey guys, I wanted to see drag style race to see how they compare fast wise.... Im shopping for my 1st bike, do both feel like they have enough power for a 6' 205 lb guy?.. i havent tested them yet..
Just a great video. Im thinking about buying the R7 maybe the Mt
i love SUZUKI😍
2:39 the GSX-8S doesn't come with all LED lighting.
Not sure why Suzuki decided to skimp a few bucks and went with the halogen indicators.
They don't belong on any new bike tbh.
Depends on where you live. US spec. 8S's only come with the LED indicators.
In Australia the full power Yamaha MT07 is $14449 rideaway (7377GBP) and the Suzuki GSX8S is $14190 (7245GBP) and Hornet 750 $13450 (6867). From what I understand though is that the LAMS/A2 version of the Yamaha MT07 (655cc) outsells the full power version by about 10 to 1 here. Yamaha may not have such a problem selling their product in the LAMS/A2 market.
Wot mate? I swear, did not get ya. How many version of Mt07 out there?
In Australia two versions. 655cc and 689cc. Here there is not only a power/weight restriction for LAMS/A2 new riders but also a capacity limit. New riders cannot legally ride anything over 660cc. Therefore to sell the MT07 in Australia to new riders they had to reduce the capacity to 655cc.@@yahtadi5152
2 versions. The LAMS (learned friendly) model and the full power model you have in the UK and Europe etc.
Financial slavery
I don't get it. Since when are " handling foybles" a wonderful part of a bikes character ? I've ridden the MT enough to know the brakes and suspension let the bike down. No USD forks and not even radially mounted calipers which, (lets face it) arn't big budget items that would have helped the bike a lot. The short wheelbase does allow easy wheelies and make you feel like a hoon but also contribute to the instabilty in corners. No doubt Yamaha already have an updated bike in the making to match the new hotshots.
Agreed. That's just a stupid thing to say.
Love to see the KTM790 Duke in this mix v Honda Hornet
The MT07 needs inverted forks and it would be perfect
Mine doesn’t.
Suzuki looks a lot better . First good looking Suzuki in a long time . Except for that side rad cover .
I wouldn't swap my GSX-S750 for either of them.
engine alone, is the 8s better than the 07?
The 8s ofcourse.. better in every way besides fuel economy, reliability is probably on par knowing suzuki but it has to prove itself like the cp2
Power to weight of both bikes is very similar once you factor in the weight difference so actual acceleration should be about the same too. If you want a faster 270° P-twin for about the same money there's always the Hornet (unless you live in the US/Canada).
@@richardwarsinske7064 but the Hornet has less torque. Is a different engine, more high revving..
Actually the Hornet has a slightly higher measured on a dyno maximum torque figure. The Suzuki does have the advantage in the lower half of the rev range but the Hornet still manages to equal the MT07's up to about 5000rpm and then surpasses it and the GSX 8S from there to their respective redline's (+19hp over the MT07 and 13hp over the GSX 8S at peak). The reason the GSX 8S has snappier low RPM acceleration is likely more a bi-product of the standard gearing that results in the Suzuki running 500-1000rpm higher than the Hornet in any gear vs. speed situation @@J2I3H
If the price isn't the main topic then Honda CB650R, it has the more Bully look then cyclop look these 2 bikes have. Plus GSX one has that weird shield thing on the front wheel that looks off for me.. it looks bad.
Better color pick on CB650R, handling is good and smooth gearing. Plus the quality overall is better but it comes with a higher price but u get some extra HP.
Minus is that if u want instant fun then a MT or GSX-S8 is probably better if u are mad into wheelies 24/7 but if that's not a prio thing then I see CB650R a better choice. You can custom CB650R pretty badass cause of the bully look it has as original.
If you can get to work on one in 20 mins they don't look too uncomfortable.
The comfort on the GSX-8S felt better to both Matt and Toad, and the MT-07 is considerably smaller by comparison.
Yamaha really needs to update their bike badly starting with the supension on the front. At the moment I am much more interested in the S8. I wish I could test ride one but no dealers offer test rides where I live; Virginia Beach area. You have to buy it before you can ride it.
Why is it you all have really nice and thin number plates for cars and then reggae ridiculous ones for bikes?
Because big long number plates on bikes would look awful, and the letters need to be a certain size for ANPR recognition.
I want to see a flippin' GSX-8S vs GSX-S1000 comparison
That would be kinda interesting but who would the video be for? If a rider is considering 150hp I don't think they'll be considering 80hp at the same time.
@@ewganhoff
When I was looking at motorcycles, I had several different models within different tiers in my binoculars. I ended up with the GSX-S1000, but if the GSX-8S was available I would certaintly consider it. For street riding it offers a lot of bike for not a lot of money.
I think naked bike / streetfighter riders are the most mobile in terms of cc and horsepower because its not like we actually need that much power anyways. Its about feel more than anything.
@@ewganhoff I had the GSXS1000 until recently; I sold it because 145 hp was difficult to ride on the street even with rider aids. You could be coming out of a turn at 95 mph in 2nd gear, open the throttle a bit more, and the traction control light would start flashing. And the GSXS1000 isn't a physically large motorcycle so it feels like a 600cc bike until you twist the throttle.
On the other hand, 80 HP might be a tad too little for my next bike.
Boxer in his prime vs Veteran on his way out
That Yamaha is so played out/Jumped the shark...All Yamaha's MT series need an upgrade
The 09 was completely updated in 2021.
@@JosephStanek-jj3uo
Perhaps, but it’s Fugly and plain looking.
You look back at it as you park it, and you go 🤷🏻♂️Ehh, It’s a Dime a Dozen Bike & Looks 👎
And the MT-125, MT-03, MT-09 and MT-10 have all been updated within the last 1.5 to 2 years, I don't see your point here?
@@visordown
The point is, they all look like shit, the main thing that has to be updated are the looks, that one headlight Cyclops gimmick of the MTs, and the transformer look of the 10 is played out.
Even the R1, needs a refresh look.
Best looking Bike Yamaha had was the V-Max, and they killed that 🤷🏻♂️
Still waiting for a "new" SV650s 🙄
I spoke to the people from Suzuki UK about this on a lunch recently, they kind of alluded to there not being a 'new' SV650, and as it still sells okay (in the UK at least) they are going to continue as it is. There will be a time though when the emissions rules mean it has to die, and then if they don't update it (which is expected) the GSX-8S will become the natural successor to its place in the range.
@@visordown HEY! Thanks for responding! I'm in AmeriKKKa and I've got a blue 07 with the usual gixer mods which I got to leave the streets for the track but life had other plans 🙄. The only "new normal" middle weight I'd get would be the RS660 but it's $11,6 which too DAMN high cuz of the electronic suite; TC, WC for what on a barely 100 hp twin with questionable durability? Drop the electronics and the price and maybe then.... I recently swapped an 05-06 (I think) gixer frontend for 2012+ gixer 600/750 BPF & Brembo frontend, what are your thoughts. Oh, and I just put a set of Roadsmart IVs on it and after only 60+ miles, they feel a lot like the Q3+s they replaced so far.
MT 07 all day
Enter the GSX8R.
The sportsbike to end all...nakeds😆
8S win
Sorry, Suzuki. You failed with that tail section.
Ok i want a yahama
The klx300 is a stupid bike for the road really…but its stupidness makes me smile and love it every single time i hop on it 😂. I used to love my other more powerful bike but it lacks the stupidness and fun of the klx so i dont ride it much anymore! I can totally understand the level of stupidness of the mt07 and peoples desires to want to ride it (even if i havnt ridden that bike yet).
I have a klx 300 and a vstrom 650 and the vstrom is way more fun on pavement. not sure what kind of stupidness you're getting into on asphalt on a klx. Now on dirt, obviously the klx is a blast
@@colbyprince9409 hah im similar, i have the klx and a versys 650. 😛 The KLX is just soooo much lighter. You can drag it around in a parking lot and it turns on a dime. I can rail tight corners on that better than the versys. But the versys has the stability and power for sweepers, but my god can the klx fall right over with that big 21”. Its just really really fun for the quick bops around where as my versys is more touring feeling…although i ride the klx pretty far now (new seat!). Wish it had a bigger tank.
I guess the stupidness is just from that it has big knobbies, sits like a dirt bike, doesn’t look like a road bike and has craaaazy tight cornering abilities on the road. Its very rowdy feeling. The versys is much tamer.
I tested the suzuki, wasn't keen on it at all, it didn't feel like a small agile bike, great engine but not great than the sum of it parts like the Honda hornet or yamaha
Suzuki wins easy
The stock sus and frame of the 07 is a joke at best and a disaster at worse...
the 8S on the other hand, has motogp data derived frame rigidity and better than average suspension AND brakes...
SV650
No, but we do have one of those in for review, doesn't fair well next to this pair!
For me, the SV650's lower seat height, narrower width, lighter weight, superb sound of a real V-Twin esp. with a yoshimura pipe, better mpg, classic looks that will age well and best of all..extra $$$ in my pocket give it the edge.
Also, IMO the stability closer to the limit is better on the SV than MT-07. While the TFT, ride modes, hp bump are nice at the end of the day it's an SV for me!
Thanks for the reviews and comment!
Another journalistic review that fails to spot the difference between PS and BHP.The bike has 82.9 PS ,which is less than 82bhp.
Now put them against the outgoing gsxs750
I bought the Hornet which despite what some say has bags of low down grunt and plenty up top too. It's also lighter, cheaper and more powerful than either of these two.
The Hornet is faster, more nimble and would win any kind of drag race. When some people spend thousands on upgrades to make their bikes lighter, the Hornet is 23lbs or over 10kg lighter than the GS8R from stock. Of course the Suzuki feels like a bigger bike, it is in every way apart from performance, handling and agility.
Granted all these bikes will give a great riding experience.
Glad to see how leveled up mid level bikes are these days.
Had an MT07 and now have an 09SP. No need for rider modes on these bikes (8s,07). MT07 is a peach and I know looks are subjective but the Suzuki looks worse. They both look bad up front. Unfortunately, we don't have the Hornet stateside so between these two, Yamaha is still king. Nice to see the competition though. Hopefully Yamaha will make the 07 even more of a peach next iteration. If they just fix the suspension then will be perfect.
King at what? It has less power, worse brakes, less tech (which is fine) and worse suspension. No matter what way you cut it, the MT07 isn't the king of anything aside from being simple and dated. I work at a bike dealership and I'm no stranger to these machines.
It’s just simply more fun than most bikes in its category, regardless of it being outdated.
@@jordanjoestar8839the thing is he bought mt 07 recently so just trying to convince himself 😂
@@ankitrawat4736he has an mt09 sp so he is not convincing anyone 😂. And Yamaha will eventually launch the updated mt07 by next year .
So it's a coincidence that Motobob uploaded a video yesterday praising the GSX8S, and today it's your turn. We understand that Suzuki is spending money in the marketing department and they can buy anyone's opinion. At least, though, don't be unprofessional and shit on other brands and bikes. Am i the only one who thinks that the Suzuki is an ugly version of the MT? They copied the looks, they failed, it's much heavier, and you know nothing about the engine. It hasn't been tested through the years like the CP2.
anytime motobob does a video on a non british bike it seems suspicious.
Also, we recorded this video over a week ago!!
The Yamaha headlight is to busy looking 👎
Suzuki really put the brake light in the ugly ass fender that everyone is going to want to remove. Great job Suzuki. 🙄
There isn't really anywhere else to put it. The legislation dictates where it has to go when it leaves the factory. Rear light placement on most modern bikes is a sticking point, but in many regions it can be moved using aftermarket parts.
@visordown Wait, when you say legislation dictates it, are you referring to some new legislation, or are you saying that based on the design of the tail section and legal requirements for taillights, Suzuki had no other place to put it?...... There must be something about the process that I don't understand. I would assume the legal requirements didn't change, and Suzuki designers and engineers would know exactly where the taillight needed to be long before the final design was approved? Is there some legal inspector touring the factory saying, "No no no. This just won't do. This taillight is way too high and visible on the end of this tail section. I'm going to need you guys to rework it lower, into this disgusting cheap plastic that's already an eye sore so it's more visible." 😆 I admit, I've never witnessed how it actually works, but I can't imagine the taillight/brake light location being some afterthought. Help me understand it better.
Suzuki offers an oem tailtidy! Looks badass
Hmm I can’t find one
@@stevedavey82 look for fender eliminator or tidy tail. there are tons of available options, even from suzuki themselves. where are you from, i can help searching.
The Hornet is more fun than both these two bikes. It’s just lighter, more nimble, quicker turning and most of all, faster. However, the GS8 feels like a bigger bike and is more stable, but lacks the power of a bigger bike.
I disagree totaly to that the hornet is faster or more nimble unless you are taking the twitchyness as a good trait of the hornet , the ones i have rode are all viby nuumbing my fingers and to get any usefull pull you need to rev the cuts out of it, not for me very tirering , the only thing off the hornet that i would like to see on the 8s is the 3 stage quickshifter timing and the ablity to reduce the engine braking , releasing the throttle suddenly on the 8s is like slaming the brakes on some time just a little too much other than that the 8s is bloody lovley
@@damon1957ful you may disagree, your wrong too but you may disagree😂 Have you really rode the Hornet, “Have to rev the guts out of it to get any useful pull” it definitely does not sound like you’ve rode it. The GS8 does have better low down torque, just. Having said that it runs out of puff and vibrates like your Mrs favourite toy at motorway speed. Each to your own. The GS8 does carry the bigger bike feel but lacks the power to pull it of enough to convince anyone. The Hornet wins any drag race you wish with GS8 and is definitely more agile around town. However, given the choice in this segment of the market, the KTM 790 is a cut above anything the Suzuki, Honda or Yamaha are offering.
The standard gearing on the Hornet is much taller (in every gear) so I have to wonder how much this effects the Suzuki's perceived low end torque advantage. Actual dyno results from the GSX 8S are only 6hp greater than the MT07 but 13 less (+ over 10kg heavier) than the Hornet so the Honda should easily win any contest of speed (as you predicted). I'm still skeptical on how well the new CFMoto produced KTM 790's compares. I've not yet seen any dyno results on the 2023 KTM 790's but in all the measured acceleration testing I've seen the Hornet was quicker. The one track comparison showed the KTM (105hp US version) to be .2 sec a lap quicker than the Hornet but 5kph slower max. trap speed. The GSX 8S was a full 2 sec. slower and 13kph down on trap speed compared to the Hornet. I've not ridden any of these bikes, just sharing information I've run across that is measured and not just opinions. @@Steve-motorcycles
@@richardwarsinske7064 that’s a very good, well constructed comment.
I’m fortunate to have owned many bikes. Although I have bigger bikes, I do find the middle weight class the sweet spot for everyday road riding in the UK.
I have owned the original KTM790Duke (for a year) and covered 35000+ miles on my MT07. I have also spent just over two hours on the GSX8S and then chose the Hornet 750 for my current everyday commuter. I don’t think there is a bad bike amongst the 4 bikes. The Suzuki feels the more solid bike. However, regardless of the reviews I’ve seen, I felt it lacked a little in performance and agility. The Hornet feels lighter, critics have labelled it flighty, I’d say more exciting. The original 790 Duke, in my opinion was a tad better than the Japanese bikes in nearly every department other than, reliability. It has some niggles that slightly spoiled the ownership experience. It may be forgiven for how good it was. I can’t comment on the new china built 790 and it doesn’t come standard with all the electronic gadgets like the original did.
Overall, and it just my opinion, I made the right choice with the Hornet. It’s almost as much fun and flickable as the KTM and improvement on the MT07 and is quicker, lighter and more fun than the good GSX8. The Hornet’s engine is a little peach and the optional quick shifter is as smooth as on some much more expensive bikes.
I'm sure I would be happy with any of these bikes (Hornet/GSX 8S/Duke 790) but some of your comments and pretty much everything else I've seen or read point me to the Hornet as the most fun to ride option. Keeping my fingers crossed that as rumored Honda will finally release the Hornet for sale in the US as a 2024 model.@@Steve-motorcycles
My 2023 MT07 is pants compared to the Suzuki to ride. Just not keen on the looks.
Boring review
Just because a bike is a few years old, does not make it bad and just because a bike is new, does not make it good. Poor opinions in this video.
Nah, it’s relevant. Knowing the model cycles of bikes, the MT07 is due a refresh. So its age is very relevant when they’ve held on to so many issues for so long. An update is due, so I wouldn’t put my money in the Yamaha bank just yet.
Agreed
I work at a bike dealership. The MT07 is great but showing its age, especially tech and suspension wise. Comfort, power, features and things mentioned are facts, not opinions.
It's still fairly expensive, and the GSX 8S has it beat in every way. It's just how it is. Period. Their opinions are spot on.
@@jordanjoestar8839 i think your correct. The Suzuki has the MT07 beat in every department apart from excitement. However, I failed to understand why you working for a bike dealership would make your opinion more than anyone else’s.
It's totally relevant! Suspension technology moves on, as does everything else. When bikes aren't updated during that time they feel a bit tired when compared to a newer bike.
Take the SV650, a great bike in its own right, and sells by the bucket load. To the GSX-8S though and it'd feel lacking in almost every department.
NEITHER!!! the hornet costs 1k usd less than the suzuki, aand has 10 more hp. we dont have it in america unfortunately.
LMAO...Ya'll get so caught up in price instead of looking at the whole picture...
180 rear tyre compared to 160 on hornet, aluminium swing arm, quick shifter is standard and better and more exciting to looks negate the 1000 dollar price bump. This things also significantly affect how the bike feels and handles.