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- Noting that many democracies-including Brazil, India, Indonesia, Iraq, Mexico, and South Africa-have been reluctant to join the Western campaign to sanction and isolate Russia, CNN's Fareed Zakaria argues it's better to cast Russia's war as a challenge to rules and norms in the global order, not to democracy as a form of governance. #CNN #News
Where were the rules in the "rules-based international order" when America invaded Iraq in 2003?
You are right! Rule-based International order was deleted when it comes to US and its allies invading other countries. Iraq, Libya, supporting decent in Syria and staging a coup in Ukraine to overthrow Victor Nanakovich's democratically elected government. This means even if you are democratically elected but tilts to 'enemies' of US and NATO you will be removed by US/nato and institutions.
While I understand your point, I think the answer has several components in terms of Russia vs US: 1) Iraq violated allowing UN inspectors to do their job, 2) The US did not act alone, but with over 3 dozen countries who employed troops, 3) The goal was not destroying the country, massacring civilians, nor taking the land (like Russia today), but regime change (however poorly and incompetently that was handled) and then 4) Spending hundreds of billions on rebuilding and then 5) leaving peacefully.
@@roblovestar9159 1. Iraq reserves the right to allow inspectors into their country or not. You cant force that. Apart from that the invasion happened after 9/11 not because UN inspectors were not allowed to do their so-called 'job'
2.So if you want to take down a country all you need is the agreement of several like-minded countries to join the crusade and thats all the validation you need. Well said Rob.
3. I guess the rebuilding was good. Can you tell me civilian casualties due to the 20-year occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan?.
For the past 30 years its is only the US and its allies who has been at war, encouraging dissent, public unrest, overthrow of governments in the name of preserving human rights whiles not tackling its systemic racism in its country. US has lots of problem to solve but it will rather remove the speck in the eye of other than deal with its log.
@@roblovestar9159 Boy, what a whitewash you serve up. The US invasion of Iraq was pure power politics. Plain and simple. Under the guise of the threat of supposed WMDs. Which weapons inspectors had not found, nor thought were being concealed. And the US left the country in a shambles. Then had to go back, in order to oust ISIS, which the US had spawned due to its own stupidity, arrogance and incompetence. Absolute foreign policy idiocy. But the criminals who caused this disaster (Bush Jr. Cheney, etc.) will never be held to account. Yet, somehow, you seek to offer them a fig leaf. Disgusting.
@@partoems9376 Just remember: none of what you legitimately cite excuses Putin's wretched thuggery and brutality in Ukraine, as well as places like Chechnya and Syria. Last time I looked, 2 wrongs still don't make a right.
Also, democracies have often been imperialistic. The main colonial powers of the late 19th century, Britain and France, were not autocracies. America has 800 military bases about the world and has invaded all kinds of nations during the last century. And, has the USA and NATO necessarily followed international law? I would say aggressive imperialism is not at all restricted to autocracies.
You can ask the baltic states or south Korea if they want US bases closed or gone
Yes, we must all get better at acting on the values we say we espouse. Getting along with each other and tolerance for our differences must become a higher value for peace to prevail on earth.
Know the honorable people of America, Europe and the world, and be aware that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, the greedy and treacherous Jubaiden, and the leaders of the corrupt Democrats Jane and Russia, with the help of European leaders, have transformed America from the world's superpower to the world's ugliest. With the support of the treacherous Democrats, the spies and swindlers of China and Russia sell so much oil dollars and bribes to China and Russia from China and Russia, like Ukraine, because of the corruption of the ruthless Jubaiden and the treacherous Democrats, the spies and Hunter Biden were exposed in Ukraine. To sell Ukraine and Kazakhstan and most European countries to Russia and China and Russia and Putin Terrorist Terrorist Greetings to President Donald Trump glorifies the most zealous president in the history of America and America Long live Donald Trump zealously stigma and death and shame Beware of turning the most ruthless president in American and American history from a world superpower to the world's most ruthless country with the support of treacherous spying Democrats
Yes, except that democracy and dictatorship don't get along
Democracies fluctuate and make mistakes, miscalculations, etc.. Autocracies plan genocide. It's a big difference
But the US has nothing to gain by obeying the rules. It is militarily and economically the most powerful country on the planet and has plenty of friends in Europe and Japan. It may SAY that it wants the rules to be obeyed, but that is only for others. The US has not accepted the authority of the international court of justice.
We need individual rights, not tolerance for the hatred of individual rights.
Thank you for reminding me that there is more to a just and sustainable democracy than mere access to a ballot box. As an American, I should be painfully aware of that given the last six years of my own country's apparent decline!
We are still the best in the world. But we do have our problems
Know the honorable people of America, Europe and the world, and be aware that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, the greedy and treacherous Jubaiden, and the leaders of the corrupt Democrats Jane and Russia, with the help of European leaders, have transformed America from the world's superpower to the world's ugliest. With the support of the treacherous Democrats, the spies and swindlers of China and Russia sell so much oil dollars and bribes to China and Russia from China and Russia, like Ukraine, because of the corruption of the ruthless Jubaiden and the treacherous Democrats, the spies and Hunter Biden were exposed in Ukraine. To sell Ukraine and Kazakhstan and most European countries to Russia and China and Russia and Putin Terrorist Terrorist Greetings to President Donald Trump glorifies the most zealous president in the history of America and America Long live Donald Trump zealously stigma and death and shame Beware of turning the most ruthless president in American and American history from a world superpower to the world's most ruthless country with the support of treacherous spying Democrats
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@@souley2881 Let's go brandon 22
@@souley2881 Know the honorable people of America, Europe and the world, and be aware that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, the greedy and treacherous Jubaiden, and the leaders of the corrupt Democrats Jane and Russia, with the help of European leaders, have transformed America from the world's superpower to the world's ugliest. With the support of the treacherous Democrats, the spies and swindlers of China and Russia sell so much oil dollars and bribes to China and Russia from China and Russia, like Ukraine, because of the corruption of the ruthless Jubaiden and the treacherous Democrats, the spies and Hunter Biden were exposed in Ukraine. To sell Ukraine and Kazakhstan and most European countries to Russia and China and Russia and Putin Terrorist Terrorist Greetings to President Donald Trump glorifies the most zealous president in the history of America and America Long live Donald Trump zealously stigma and death and shame Beware of turning the most ruthless president in American and American history from a world superpower to the world's most ruthless country with the support of treacherous spying Democrats 2022
There is a must to understand that not every authoritarian state is friend, and the same applied to democratic state. India has been a democracy, but it is anti-Western from the root and is still very much embedded with Russian disinformation. Meanwhile, authoritarian regimes like Turkey is hardly a friend of Russia either, Turkey has long been hostile against Moscow.
There is a need to be clarified: not all autocracies support each other, and not all democracies support each other. Freedom doesn't mean just democracy - but the rights to exist are something people have chosen the most. It is always about existence of a sovereign nation, not about a democratic idea.
The US supports many authoritarian states like the Saudis who bomb Yemen into oblivion.
And, of course, Ukraine is trying to exist as a sovereign nation...
@@DK-001 The Kurds who were betrayed by their western Allies are entering the chat
@@ravanpee1325 I'm pro Kurd and believe they should have a homeland.
@ Neymar Junior. The principle of non interference in another nation's internal affairs is an absolut must and so we must admit that we have no right to be meddling in the way Russians are being governed.
What gives anyone the right to be anti Russian simply because they do not agree with their governance? Actually do you agree with the way Honduras or Nicaragua are governed. If their regime was that enlightened according to our self proclaimed anagels of democracy attitude,Hondurans and Nicaraguans (and others ) would not be flocking at our borders.
It's a good thing Moscow Don isn't still in charge. He'd be shipping weapons to his BFF Putin.
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I thank God everyday that that clown is not still in the White House in this situation Ukraine would be on its own and the mango moron would be a cheerleader for Putler. Every time I think about it is an extremly great relief.
@Adam Owen Ti si tako blesava
After yrs of CNN lying to you, you really still believe the misinformation and disinformation that Trump was Putin's puppet?
@@rtorres4132 Trump is not a puppet. He wants to be rich like Putin and have power like Putin. In his book The Big Cheat, David Cay Johnson details how Trump was fleecing America. The book is based on facts. Have you read the book?
Historically speaking, the US doesn't have any qualms about being friendly with an autocracy (or even overthrowing a democracy to install a more business-friendly autocracy) provided its interests are being met.
This mindset leads the US in a very precarious position, and it doesn't assure anything in a long term. Playing with autocratic regimes will eventually lead to a confrontation.
My thoughts exactly when this first started.
Correct. In the end, it's all about Power Coupons ("money").
Zakaria makes a good case but unfortunately one cannot sell that subtle difference to the American public. They tend to see things in terms of black and white so chanting "democracy, democracy" while waving the flag fits the purposes of American politics.
A nation of 330 million would disagree with your unsubtle caricature.
Sadly The MSM insults The Vast Majority Of Americans By Thinking They Need Their News To Be Dumbed Down Because Most Of Them Are Stupid! HOW WRONG!
I live in America and I chant Hypocrisy Hypocrisy at the dysfunctional Government. FUBAR.
We are a hot mess looking for something to agree on when our political system is hell bent on dividing us.
Trump messed up American politics!
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones".
-Albert Einstein
Said the man who told WW3 is with nukes
I love this quote. Thank you.
@Jay Jay exactly. personally i think WWIII maybe fought with pokemon or mtg cards. Have you seen those? Immensly powerful card combos possible 0_0 ;)
US has been preparing Ukraine for this proxy war since 2014.
US offered 4 billion dollar loans to Ukraine since 2014 ( one this year and three between 2014-2016) US has been orchestrating this for a long time , ( Russian Regime change ) They won’t accept anything else and they do not want negotiations. Biden even said he will supply Ukraine with arms until the last one standing . No talks ,no negotiations . Proxy wars are about Regime change .
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Countries like IRAQ ,Afganistan and Lebanon were left in ruins after the wars. Want to know where the next war will take place follow the US dollar.
If it is the fate of humanity to destroy itself, the method doesn't matter. Then, humanity will destroy itself. The question remains: will nature loose something when mankind disappears? I reckon not.
You make so much sense! Intelligent and level headed analysis! I always learn a lot from you, Fareed!
I'm not much of a CNN watcher. I agree with this man. Spot on.
this is more word salad- nothing more!
everytime Fareed speaks, its spot on
No he is not,just America puppet.
A very good proposition by Mr. Zakaria. Though I am strong supporter of the actions taken by the west against Russia, let me play devil's advocate for the moment. Many in the developing world consider this as the west's fight. There is a strong reaction from Europe and North America because the Ukraine is essentially a white country. The west's reaction would have been much different had it been happening in Africa or in Asia. Ask any non-white country and they will immediately start giving out the cases of Afganistan, Iraq, etc. where the west's response was less than exemplary. There is some truth to that.
IMHO it is not because Ukraine is a "white" country, but because it is a >>western
I believe that there is an element of truth to what you're saying regarding Ukraine being a "white" European nation but it is also a strong case of this being an invasion by a nuclear power, which puts it into a totally different category than an internal civil war or coup.
We are definitely guilty of neglecting or not being able to sustain empathy for people whom we are not culturally related to; people who are being murdered, tortured and displaced in lesser-known conflict zones, and we have no moral excuse for that lapse ..
I think however that the events unfolding in Ukraine and general region have a disturbing and ominous familiarity and serve as a harsh reminder of how a large scale catastrophic world war can emerge rapidly and violently from competing idealogies, nationalism and unfettered greed for power and resources.
It is not because Ukraine is white. It is because we fought and won this in WWII and Russia is trying to "relitigate" it through the most barbaric means, ignoring the rules we agreed on after WWII. It also has to do with Putin as a personality, a sociopath, unpredictable with nucs and a highly uneducated, resentful, psychologically twisted and manipulated populace that makes up the second largest army in the world. Many of the soldiers aren't getting paid what they were promised, are not following commanders, are looting and raping as a joy ride, and we're going to sit back and watch the penetration of Ukraine's border unfold like this? No. Putin will not stop at Ukraine. He wants WWIII even though that was nearly a century ago. The world has changed.
This is why. It effects every economy, worldwide energy and food systems, as well as our existence and evolution as a human species. This is WWIII. The US doesn't want to escalate it or speed it up, but the connection to WWII is so f-ing obvious, anyone who can't see the stakes are different here and far beyond race is not looking at the historic parallels, the interconnected systems, and broader existential risk.
I don’t think this is true. Many Westerners are very sympathetic to people in non-Western countries who are victims of war criminals. People keep bringing up the Iraq war, for example. Just to share my own story, I’m an American and I was a teenager when it started. My neighbors were hosting an Iraqi Kurdish woman whose father had been killed in one of Saddam Hussein’s purges. She and many other Kurds wanted the US to intervene in Iraq and so I supported it because I didn’t think mass murderers like Saddam should be able to mass murder their own people and get away with it. What I’m saying is that compassion for the Iraqi people is part of what drew us into that mess. So no, I don’t think a lack of compassion is the problem. Look at the millions of Syrian refugees who were taken in by European countries during the Syrian civil war. So many it caused problems in some European countries handling the influx. And yes sure there are racist people in Western countries too, undeniably. Racism and xenophobia of one sort or another are huge problems in a lot of countries, not just in the West. I think why the response is more acute in the West is simply because it’s happening closer to home and some of those countries are worried about being invaded themselves. It’s self-preservation, in other words. Naturally people are going to be more worried about the war next door that might affect them directly than one half way around the world that doesn’t personally threaten them. And there’s no reason to be cynical about that. Just like people concern themselves first and foremost with taking care of their own kids but that doesn’t mean they don’t care if someone else’s kids are being abused and don’t want to help those kids.
@@GettyDarling I agree with you on this--a very well balanced reply.
I always deeply appreciate Fareed's take. While the US may have better framed its argument, the assumption is that the subtlety of what the US communicates still matters to these countries. I think a lot of them feel this issue won't effect them because they are not European, and that is how they are framing it ("not our issue"). Can the US make an argument that convinces them to collaborate? For me, the humanitarian issues in Ukraine are more important (although equal, practically speaking) than the respect for boundaries issue.
@SCPython Russias style of war is very different, undermining international law and targeting civilians in psychological and sexual ways..
Two, there was resistence in the US when the US military took these actions and we maintained a free press to support it.
I'm not going to defend the US military. It needs reform, and I protested wars. The US you speak of is not static. People, culture and leaders change. Look at what good has come out of the US. The Internet and our freedom supports this very conversation. So, at least our systems have the ability to heal our darker human nature and will to power.
So, you can hold the US to its past and say its hypocritical. Democracy is hypocritical because people don't agree. We are people too, working it out. But you have presented only one aspect of the US in your argument against not responding to Russia's assault on Ukraine. There is much more to consider.
My final words are that the US today is not yesterday's US. We create and become change. There have been many reforms but more are coming. How about in your countries? Are they the same as they were 20 or 50 years ago? And what do you credit for the change?
Where did democracies introduce sanctions against the US because of the illegal Iraq war? Oh wait...
@ Jennifer E. Nordstrom. If you want humanitarian issues to take precedence stop the war but remember that not even ONCE was the word peace used by the White House
@@pindapoy214 How do you think this war will be stopped? How do you think peace will be achieved?
@@woodspriteful The war will stop when the US stops pumping it up with arms, money and propaganda. For some reason that has never been explained, the US has wanted this undeclared war from the very beginning and only very naive and feeble minded people believe that it is a fight for democracy, freedom and human rights.
Peace will be achieved when the warmongers in the White House will stop using the Ukrainians as cannon fodder in order to achieve goals that are kept hidden from the people of the US while their money is being spent and they have no way to object.
War will stop when a serious peace conference will take place and Zelensky will not be told to keep fighting as has already happened in two opportunities before, most recently in Istanbul at a series of peace meetings sponsored by the Turkish government.
His conclusion are exactly my thoughts since I noticed the positions several countries (even European) took since the war started.
Europe is to late, now it's going to be harder to deal with this conflict.
Nothing like Russia taking it's neighbors land. Ukraine have been killing Russia speaking ppl in Ukraine that wants their way out since but the world didn't say anything about this. It baffles me how western media brainwash viewers and not saying the truth. How many Russian win have you seen western media report?
Thank you, Fareed, for this perspective! 🙌
Xp Lee: It's only a perspective, not a sugar coating on false communist states that behave as fascist authocracies...
If only we will be this plain and sincere....
The first time I agree with CNN
Absolutely well said about India in regard to when China starts aggression.
Truthth-cam.com/video/Jui_QaAs3Ws/w-d-xo.html
The first thing India --- a "non-aligned" nation --- would do, if/when China makes an aggressive move against her (in her perception, in their "disputed" border issues) would be to scream very loudly at the UN, the West, & other international bodies.
India's quiet and non-committed on issues involving Russia (even when it is invading a neighboring European country like Georgia, Ukraine, Finland, Moldova, etc.) ONLY because of her heavy reliance on many top end military weapon systems from Russia, as does China... the three odd balls of the world....
THAT also is true where the Philippines, Indonesia, etc. are concerned: if/when China makes an aggressive move in control 90% of the waters of "South China Sea," making into a private lake, so it could openly drill for oil, gas, etc. all the way down to Indonesia & along the coast of the Philippines, YOU WILL HEAR those folks screaming about why "the world/UN can't just stand" quiet & allow a big, powerful nation like China to simply take what it wants, etc.
So fa, China has mostly built artificial islands; it hasn't started doing deep sea drilling... but it WILL soon enough, as it needs more gas, crude oil, etc.
Very well said sir.
It seems better for India start sailing toward West. What is sence for India to spend money for trash russian weapons if Pakistan will engade them with much cheaper westetn ones?
US aid to India since 1947 = over $65b in today's money. You can collect my money, but can't join me in standing against evil, eh?
Fareed Zakaria there is no such thing as a rules based order but what you talk about is the US who has left behind international law and now states that it makes the rules for everyone else. That is called fascism.
I never heard of Fareed before the Ukraine war but have since listened to several of his "Takes." He seems to nail it every time. Smart guy.
We don't hear many international perspectives in the US. It was sad to see many Indians roll their eyes when he returned to India and explained why India should care about Ukraine. India is seeped in Russian propaganda and has an ego rejection to the US.
Some excellent points here. It would be a very good time for US to start to respect and strengthen international law.
And apologize for its own unilateral steps brushing int'l law aside when it pleases them. That could give them back some credibility.
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice every where." MLK when your turn comes remember that.
Who is MLK? Martin Luther King? He was assassinated in 1968. So I have no idea what your point is.
Thus America should be fighting half the planet all the time, oh wait..
@@philg4116 America has global responsibilities. Or would you rather Putin and Xi Jinping assume those responsibilities? I don't know about you, but I'm stickin' with the Corleones.
@@brucemacmillan9581 you mean the neocons and their stupid wolfowitz doctrine, original draft?
@@philg4116 No. I'm talking about the peace the US took on maintaining (sometimes not very well, and sometimes acting as badly as those they opposed) after WW2, having emerged as the big dog in the hood after that war. Call the US The Corleones, the Russians the Barzinis and the Chinese the Tataglias, if you'd allow me a Godfather analogy. As much as I don't like them a lot of the time... I'm stickin' with the Corleones. You would be well advised to do the same. You might not like the Corleones. But you'd like the Barzinis and Tataglias a whole lot less. And I do mean, A. LOT. LESS. Got it now?
Absolutely excellent video ! Great work Fareed. Again, please find a way we can subscribe to Fareed without getting alerts for great mass of junk CNN puts out. Fareed needs his own channel.
CNN being real news channel once in a while
RIP to all the innocent children, women and men who lost their lives in Ukraine
Spam is reported as spam. Starting to think if you post this on every video scoring likes. it’s clear you actually don’t give a F about them, but yourself.
@@angrypatriots1446
Sorry gramps.
Trump has more drone strikes than any other sitting President.
Surpassed Obama in his first two years!
Your stupidity is your only virtue gramps.
HOW ABOUT PALESTINE AND OTHERS? HOW ABOUT NATIVE TRIBES OF AMERCIAS? YPU ARE FAKE ACCOUNT! YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE!
@@angrypatriots1446 Ole Rumpy is still the biglyest loser ever.
Mention the ones in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya
Those countries which don't condemn Russian agression won't change their decision no matter what you call it. They are tied to the Russian economy. I do agree that the US should practice what it preaches. But you can't blame Biden and the democrats for the regime change in Iraq. That was the GOP led by Cheney / Bush. As an American , I know there is a lack of democracy in our own country and we need to work hard or we will soon lose it altogether.
Not just economic ties, because Russia does not have a large economy. The rest of the world is not being fooled by the hypocrisy of the West. Don't you do know that NATO has been involved in more wars than just Iraq War? Numerous wars and proxy wars since WW2.
Sure you can, the entirety of congress approved military action for george bush. You could that many of them were probably fooled by the fabrications the bush administration made but regardless, its a dent on the entire congress.
Biden and the Democrats voted for the invasion of Iraq, so yes, they also get the blame.
@@browngreen933 Their vote was based on Bush, Cheneys and the GOP's big lie about the supposed weapons of mass destruction. The Bush family was friends with the Saudi Bin Laden Family. Remember Osama? Bushes buddies, the Saudis, wanted us to get rid of Hussein , thats why the 1st gulf war and thats why the 2nd war and regime change. I'm a democrat and I protested and fought against our country going to war in Iraq. Did you do anything?
@@johndelamontaigne7711
I was definitely against the Iraq War at the time. I was neutral towards Bush, Jr until he gave his "Axis of Evil" speech then I knew we were being manipulated again by the military-industrial-political complex. When Colin Powell gave his "move truck, move truck" testimony at the UN as proof of WMD I knew it was all a gigantic ploy. Now here we go again. Jumping into another quagmire the average American hardly understands. Another endless war, this time with WW3 possibilities. We are being led by IDIOTS.
Don't matter how you look at it, or frame it, it still comes down to one thing. Defeating a tyrant.
there's a reason why Zakaria is respected as a Journalist... he always makes sense
What a great segment. It opened my eyes.
I suspect your premise is flawed. Countries will always do what fits their immediate national interest. But demanding lockstep in the battle between democracies, as an ideal, and autocracies is also not realistic. It's the trend line that deserves support regardless of shifting alignments in the international politics. The struggle doesn't require that democracies be perfect, since their leaders won't be. And one could dispense with democracy, as a goal, altogether and still support a rules based international order. Democracy must still be the underlying goal for human development. It is the goal that maintains the trend line of human progress. And that is the true realization of our ideals. Not a coexistence of a group of autocracies or totalitarian regimes that ignore individual human rights while respecting international boundaries and rules. As if autocracies have ever demonstrated respect for boundaries. Their values overtly recognize the domination of the strong over the weak.
Thank You Very "MUCH"
For Your Comments On Democracy
And the Rules of International Order
(Such As Respecting the Territorial Integrity of Each Others Borders)
As "SUCH".
Nazi's vs. Russia backed by DS interests for Nazi's. That simple.
Which side do you support?
@Angelica Montes Maybe Biden was right when he said white supremacy is our number one problem in the US considering all you fools supporting Nazi's.
Maybe Disney
Ukraine Uber Alles!
You mean ukraine vs oblivious nazi admirers. There you go.
Sovereign countries like India, China, and North Korea are either going to support Putin and his supporters in Russia or remain neutral...BS. I, an American, am going to stick with Ukraine all the way. In fact, I have been there in April 2018 and August 2019. I have friends/business associates from there. May the Lord God keep that country safe and provided...
@NBA Ti si tako blesava!
We saw a video showing the best countries in the world to live in. All of them were democracies!
thank you for seeing things clearly.
@NBA Time for a six-year-old to go to bed.
You as an American owes Nicargua reparations as ordered by a UN court. You as the USA should remove your military base form Diego Garcia so the UK can, as ordered by the UN, hand the islands back to their rightful owners Mauritius and so the Chagosians can return to the homeland they were forceably removed from by Britain so the US could build their base.
Until watching this video, I had thought about it in both ways. Now I must realize that only one of those ways is useful and even only one makes sense. I mean the rules-based international (referring to laws, conventions etc.) order, of course. Thanks for your take, Fareed!
But it's over simplistic, Putin's non acceptance of democracy is why he sabotaged Ukraine and won't accept neutrality.
The autocrats are selling it as uni-polar US rules vs new multi-polar .. if you think they will advocate fair elections and human rights you're kidding yourself
If a rules based international order would be the aim, i would be all for it. So when does the USA commit to Den Haags International Criminal Court? Is the invasion of Den Haag still on the table should ever an US soldier be on trail for comitting war crimes like f.e. published on wikileaks? Put your money where your mouth, isn't that the american saying for doing what you preach others to do?
@jason wang Well i guess there are at least 3 options for that. Other nations asking politely ^^. US voters who may feel that is the correct way to interact with others. Powerful elites who fear their buisness interest maybe threatened if the US would not play ball. There might be others, but those are currently coming to mind whereby they are all ofcause on different spectrums of likelyhood, ideology and selfinterest or lack of such.
@@kinngrimm I literally have a playlist about US imperialism in the Middle East. I am completely aware of Assange and Wikileaks and reject both the British and US policy on treating him as a traitor when he in fact is a symbol of journalism and a server to the people. He is not an enemy of the state, your government is an enemy of the state. The only US politician I like is Bernie Sanders. I think I can be allowed to criticize Russia without talking about the US in the same sentence. I like neither Russia nor US, I actually find both countries’ governments, culture and societal values appalling. I live in Europe and even have concerns with what is going on here but that is now a completely different story. There you have my view, you seem to be so desperate for it.
@@kinngrimm th-cam.com/play/PLSJAwas-bYxvI84AZ7PxtIQXyuCe6i8TP.html
That’s the best CNN rational thought I’ve ever heard!! 🙌
Well said. Rule based international order should be the norm, hopefully the US will follow that in deed.
Fareed you're my man 💪
Real politik. One thing I enjoy about Fareed Zakaria is he gets past the idealized version of the world and gets into the nuts and bolts of real international relations.
It isn't easy to hear, but the truth.
Did you think this when he praised Trump as a "real president" when Trump bombed Syria with cruise missiles?
@@rtorres4132 The difference between Trump and let's say a Bush or an Obama is that Trump gave Syria and Russia several hours warning before the missile strike and gave Russia authorization to hit ISIS under the cover of the missile strike. I think that's when Fareed turned on Trump.
@@edmaphis9805 - the missile strike didn't even make sense. Trump hit a chemical weapons manufacturing site. You'd think that hitting that would kill more people with the chemicals spreading all over the place. It ended up a medicine manufacturing center.
Or Obama’s CIA title 50 regime change, proxy war in Syria. (Operation “Timber Sycamore” 2012-2017)
@@rtorres4132 No, it was Clinton that attacked the aspirin factory. Trump hit a low value airbase and gave the Syrians time to position old jets to make it look good.
One of the most balanced reporting I've heard.
Very good point! Congrat Fareed!
First Practice what you preach. Give Sermons to other countries later.
@NBA HIGHLIGHTS See last 30 seconds of the Fareed Zakaria Video
I liked the last part "Practice what you preach"
UN Secretary General Kofi Annan declares the US led invasion of Iraq illegal on 9/15/2004.
@@kevinjenner9502 UN orders US to pay reparations to Nicargua. US refuses, leaves International Court, blocks Nicaragua from appealing and refuses to pay them anything.
6 years after their inception the CIA overthrows its first government and installs a puppet regime. (Iran 1953 Operation Ajax)
Bravo. Spot on analysis !!
Developing Countries should be nervous! The World is changing, whether be through this Pandemic or the Need for cleaner Energy!! India and Russia seriously suffer from Climate Change and THAT should make them Very Nervous! The effects are occurring Right NOW, TODAY!
No War!
Only Progress!
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Damn if this wasn't well-thought-out and valid. There's not a lot here to disagree about. All valid points.
True words. We need the US to stand up to what they preach. I hope India and Indonesia wake up to the dangers seen in this conflict too
We indonesian are the non block... we are neutral.. we dont side with anyone.. so dont tell what to do or not to do..
Fareed is the smartest guy on the news I've seen in a long time. I wish he was Sec of State.
yes, I agree with your analysis here.
I wish I could subscribe to Fareed's excellent videos, without having to also get updates on CNN's many rubbish shows. Fareed needs his own channel.
Just TH-cam!
Remember when they said the Azov battalion was a conspiracy??🤣🤣🤣
They just nazist who believe in white power 🤮
"when they said". Who are they?
Also the Azov Battalion sound very similar to the Neo Nazi Trump supporters....some of which stormed the Capitol.
@Princess Fox 🤣troll
Very well stated. Thankyou.
to anyone reading. some of your comments are getting deleted by TH-cam, you can still see them on your account but no one else can
Fareed nails it. We have to keep our house in order, cut out all the political bluster and bs. Follow the rule of law and international conventions by example, and respect human rights.
Continue to call out all those who don't, but not at the same time we aren't.
Of course, clear cut blind patriotism and chest thumping is what wins elections these days in this backward ass country.
@Jay Jay B.S. You fell for, and are still falling for, the lies of a con artist.
I do agree with his view. When I think about it, North korea is called Democratic People Republic of Korea. Calling this a war between democracy and autocracy is not accurate. This war is more about freedom against tyranny.
Yes however where does an Autocracy provide opportunity to fight against internal tyranny?
And they are NOT a democracy
freedom = democracy autocracy = tyranny they are just different ways of saying the same thing.
All the aurhoritarians hijack the word democracy because the concept is so powerful. When they have identified with the term, they are able to twist and reshape it into meaninglessness.
Iraq, Vietnam etc? do you miss something
Very good presentation. Yes, what you say is a very good proposal for international debate.
I really appreciate the well thought out and balanced opinions Fareed offers. With so much extremism and rhetoric in today's news, Fareed opens the door to considering what he has to say, where others pull you off balance into one sided positions
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This was a very fair analysis. I’ve been saying this to acquaintances, friends and family, many of which tend too often to see these crises in black and white, not the complex and murky grey areas in between.
Is Russia an aggressor in Ukraine? Yes.
Should we support Ukraine? Yes.
Are NATO and the West blameless? Definitely not.
Could the world be doing more to prevent these crises in future? Yes.
I could go on. The world is more complex than the daily headlines we read about in the paper, in our social media feeds and so on. The reasons for a country’s choices in any matter are often multifaceted and often require a historical analysis to understand. But violence is never an answer, and we as a world should be striving to create and enforce a rule-based system to protect peace in the world, as Fareed nicely put it. In a way, we need to put a better system in place to resolve grievances peacefully and as global citizens.
We are far from this still, as we see more and more that the UN, for example, is not the ideal we may have once thought it was… We’ve a long way to go.
- "Are NATO and the West blameless? Definitely not."
If you refer to Russian invasion, I don't think there's anything like that on the video. Perhaps you should watch the video again.
Ado Atero Nope, it was not in the context of the invasion. Talking about other wars waged by them - for example, Iraq.
@@BrutishLearner4 - "Nope, it was not in the context of the invasion."
OK. Thanks for clarifying that.
@Jay Jay Haha I like this idea, embrace violence..
We live in a multi-polar world so different camps must rule themselves and countries between them will have to traverse between them all. The world of giants is here and everyone else has to figure out their own destiny
@Jay Jay Real talk. Sometimes large-scale violence is the ONLY real answer. For weeks now I have been actively rooting for Putin to launch *full-yield* nuclear missiles. The world needs a "reset", because this current path is pointless. We will never reach Type-1 Civilization, unless human cultures and mindsets are completely reset. _"Things must get worse, before they can get better"_
I personally HOPE I'm at Ground Zero when the first nukes get past our Missile Shield and strike various major cities of the dUSA.
Well done, Sir! I appreciate your wisdom.
Fareed, nothing you said here improves things, and the reason is that these labels are just more rhetoric. You can label these countries as this or that, and some of the labels will stick and some will fall off, but ultimately nothing has changed or will change because of this labeling. These countries are primarily acting in their own self interest and that is the name of the game no matter what you call them. At best saying that one country is a democracy and another is an autocracy is useful only as a matter of loose description and convenience, and because we like to think that we are more moral than our neighbors we will call ourselves by a term that fits that framework- like democracy. But when it comes down to it these word games never solve problems, but people like you think that they have really achieved something when all they have done is created a bigger word salad. But go ahead and pat yourself on the back if you must, but there is no great ideological struggle. Your "rules based social order" is Sunday School political theory.
"Western hypocrisy" is not true. Only the US and UK invaded Iraq. All the dozens of other western nations refused to join them and criticized them heavily. The Bush administration put heavy pressure on Canada (people who normally could not have named the U.S. ambassador came to absolutely hate that one. I remember journalists doing a streeter when he was finally recalled to Washington, and never have so many Canadians said so many rude things.) We were unwavering in our refusal to go to Iraq, as were the other 40 or so Western nations, NATO and the UN. Remember the Americans renamed French fries "freedom fries" because they were angry France refused to go to war. Instead we held protest marches to the many U.S. embassies and consulates. Because the U.S. tagline for their invasion was "SHOCK AND AWE" I marched with a sign that said "SHOCKED AND APPALLED." So there is no Western hypocrisy. The great majority of Western countries were against the Iraq war. Speak of American and British hypocrisy if you must.
And I wish people would stop saying U.S.-led NATO. NATO is a democracy, every member country gets one vote. You can't say you're pro-democracy and act like an autocracy in international organizations. It's in fact a good thing the rest of us do not follow the U.S. when it comes to creating a rules-based international order. We would never have treaties against landmines, etc., all the good things we do without the U.S. As Fareed mentioned, the U.S. turns its back on many international endeavours to make the world a better place.
Well said 👍🏼
Well said. Would also add that many people within a country whose leaders choose to pile in on military action or a decision, there will be many many people who don't agree with it, e.g. In the UK the massive marches against Iraq invasion and Brexit.
How many Western countries sanctioned US?
How many sports organizations banned US and British sports teams?
How many companies pulled there businesses out?
There are anyhow few protest marches this time than in 2003.
It's not the protests that make a difference, it's the reaction of governments.
We wouldn't even have the International Criminal Court, that deals with war crimes, if it depended on the USA.
@@amritpalsingh3293
How many non Western nations sanctioned the US? Right, none at all.
How many non Westrern sports organizations banned US and British sports teams? Or refused to attend the Olympics or the World Cup Foortball because rthe US and the UK were present? Right, none at all.
How many non Western companies pulled their business out of the US or the UK? Right, none at all.
It isn't the protests that make a difference, it's the reaction of non Western governments. And they remained abscent all together. Probably because they were too greedy to cut their economic ties with the USA and the UK.
This leads to one conclusion: your total hypocrisy in everything that you say.
Fareed, you conveniently left out China's disregard for the rules-based government of Taiwan. You left out mentioning that China insists other nations respect the rules it imposes through its Belt and Road Initiative. You can't propose thesis after thesis arguing "surprise, everything you thought you knew is wrong." You tend to be wrong a lot when you do that.
I'm glad some other viewers have noted the shallowness of this talk by Fareed. Normally he is better.
Holier than thou Fareed! Miraculously omitted the most stark injustice of Sykes-Picot-Balfour original sin of the west.
Yes, we should all practice what we preach. But once you've made that mistake, someone will always bring it up again, so there's hardly any repenting of it. In the end, it's a mindless game of "but, you did dat"...
I concur with everything here. The US should be a signatory to the ICC. And if the third world only understands the language of reciprocity, fair enough. Americans know what's in their own hearts. We don't require validation.
Not a fan of CNN but Fareed always has some well thought out points to express.
Very insightful and I think you have hit the nail on the head. Thanks!
Please explain how the UN and NATO failed to negotiate peace or react against the border violations?
Ah, a bit of common sense at last.....Thank you Fareed.....
I wish we had Democracy here in the US. We have oligarchs and their media cheerleaders.
I remember when the US illegally invaded Iraq. How does that even fit with a rules based order?
The US invade Iraq because it harbored terrorist! Get a fucking clue
Ouch! There is some truth in that though.
I would say as an American that the US invasion of Iraq was not a rules based war.
Although I can agree with you on these highly detailed, highly analytical and intellectual insights, at the root if humans don’t straighten up, we are all doomed, and, Mother Nature one way or another will fix its error, it’s Imbalance. Like the late George Carlin said (to paraphrase) Mother Nature / Earth will shake us humans off like fleas on a dog.
Dear Fareed, warm greetings from Addis Abeba.
What is the value of " rule based international order" when under the guise of that seemingly rational phrase your very security is threatned? That phrase alone, does not hold water. The war in Ukraine is an existential war for the great Father Land: Russia.
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First of all, Fareed, it's very arguable that Ukraine is any more a democracy than Putin's Russia -- so much for defending Ukraine in the name of democracy vs autocracy. But at least regarding adherence to an international rules-based order you recognize that the West has not practiced what it preached in this respect.
If you honestly can't see a difference between the governments of Russia and Ukraine, you might want to look just a little harder at reality.
@@erniebuchinski3614 What big differences do you see in terms of democratic functions?
homie, one literally has a dictator and the other has a democratically elected president 💀 how much. more obvious can it be
@@galanis38 democratic elections, which do not exist in Russia? You might say, but they chose Medvedev at some point! Yeah Putin's fuckdoll since the kgb times, which allowed him to run the 3rd time. And then Putin anulled his terms anyway, which is why there was no point in putting on a veil that he gives a fuck about elections. Ukraine has issues, but you can't say it's undemocratic.
Fareed. If you look very well to the size of all"Democratic" countries in south hemisphere we will see that only the smaller were agreed against Putilandia.
You come from 2 countries who have already big size in their region (even in the world) you can't understand why the Nato retoric strongest come from small countries.
For the first time to give a like to CNN video.
Why didn't you ( CNN ) have subtitles ? or CC ?? I just love your clips on TH-cam but no CC. Thats why l refuse to download the CNN App If can't share with ESL then forget it
I had to stop when Fareed called South Africa a successful democracy - not only that, but apparently Africa's "most successful" democracy! Talk about bad takes! xD Fortunately for Africa, that is not actually true.
I do agree that a framing of this as an ideological conflict of democracy versus autocracy is not ultimately helpful or sustainable, although the spread of autocracy is an issue of concern in and of itself. The trouble with rallying people to defend the UN charter and a rules-based international order is the big elephant in the room: the US, and particularly the invasion of Iraq by Bush II in blatant violation of international law, which we 'traitors' at the time warned would prove the unraveling of international law and order, the credibility of the UN and nuclear non-proliferation. The US lacks the credibility to lead that kind of a coalition. At the same time, it is hard to imagine any other global actor that could lead it. Xi Jinping has trashed China's credibility, and the European Union and African Union are both incoherent, divided messes.
In order to at least try to get some credibility back, the US would HAVE to seek to distance itself from its own past actions. There would need to be a mea culpa pronounced before the UN, an apology from the US to the world for past transgressions, and a promise to turn the page. That would play well internationally, but the US is also unstable domestically, and American politicians fear any moves that may be used by domestic neo-nazis to create new conspiracy theories, rile up their bases and attempt another coup d'etat. Meanwhile, for Europe to take the lead they would simply have to unite under a federal structure, something only southern Europe would support.
All that's left is cynical geostrategy and politics, and that revolves around the CCP's interpretation of events. Xi Jinping has clearly convinced himself that it is in his interest to embolden Russian imperialism to counter the US and tie them up in Europe. That's an incredibly stupid mistake, even in terms of pure geostrategy. A powerful, nuclear-armed, expansionist imperial Russia sharing thousands of kilometres of border with China and ultimately boxed in by NATO in Europe is ALWAYS going to be a far greater long-term threat to China than an inward-looking US half an ocean away, and it's abundantly clear that Russian-backed far-right factions in Western countries *want* an alliance with imperial Russia precisely as a means to surround China. Many CCP officials are smart enough to know that, but Xi has built a cult of personality around himself to replace the old effective technocracy, and nobody has the courage or wherewithal to challenge him. Unfortunately, at this stage out of all the unlikely developments, whether an American mea culpa or an end to stupid tribal bickering in Europe, the least unlikely as of now is a more rational assessment of the situation in Beijing.
This is a very good and accurate comment, but the present cult of ignorance and stupidity will not listen, my fear is that this will end up very badly, between the right wing faction, the christofascist in the other and very few rational humans that want peace, there's no contest.
How is South Africa not a democracy? As flawed as it may be, its still a democracy. I mean the United States itself has a very flawed democracy.
We definitely have weaknesses in our democracy but we are still a democracy. Our judiciary is at least independent and when companies pay politicians we have the good grace to call it a bribe not lobbying. Our majority party has some very bad actors in it and lots of people suffer for it, but the USA is the last democracy that can stand on a pulpit and preach democratic values.
@@Kevin-wy9dv I didn't say you're not, there are just better functioning democracies in Africa than South Africa. Botswana, Namibia and Ghana all spring to mind. In fact, in South Africa there has yet to actually be a handover of power from ANC to another party, and as I recall when the courts ordered Zuma's imprisonment for contempt of court his supporters rioted.
@@mikicerise6250 Handover of power? where has there ever been a "handover" of power? Political parties don't handover power to each other, it is won through elections. The majority of South Africans for all sorts of complex reasons which someone like you would obviously not understand, support the ANC. There is nothing wrong with that. Democracy is determined by the fairness of the process, not by an arbitrary rotation of power. Rioting maybe a violent form of self-expression that borders on lawlessness or even criminality in some instances, but is it undemocratic? Actually, the opposite would be true, i.e. it would be undemocratic if the SA government criminalised protests, like in many African countries. As for all those countries you have mentioned, they don't even know the meaning of democracy. You are obviously confusing a fearful respect for government and the law with democracy. They are not the same thing.
A defense analyst from Janes made a good point at the beginning of this war that the Russians HAVE TO say they are fighting NATO because it justifies their longstanding xenophobia of the West. Right now the Kremlin would probably welcome fighting NATO directly not because they think they could win but because it would be easier for them to justify their failures than admitting they are doing poorly against Ukraine. The Kremlin could then cite historical precedence and say once again an invader from the West has wrongfully attacked mother Russia and inflicted serious losses on them and play up the patriotic angle. So the Kremlin's endless talk about nuclear escalation is done to reassure its population that it CAN defend Russia against a NATO attack by making it so costly that it wouldn't be worth winning.
Russia is in a proxy war already on the ground. Green Barets etc. in Ukraine are already confirmed
Such wishful thinking dat Russia is losing. Lol, only 1 country keeps advancing. Keep in mind this is a special military operation, so it’s a limited russia military
@@ovwieogheneobie2998 - Your boy Putin is going to be butchered on the operating table and there's nothing you can do to save him, comrade!
Democracies aren’t all perfect some are much better than others. Rudimentary democracies aren’t the standard bearers of democracy.
Well said if the Americans want a rules based system then they have to get better at practising what they preach which is what this CNN journalist said Fareed Zakakaria.The thing is will the US change will the US bring pragmatic methods to the table as this journalist has suggested I doubt it.
Well said 👍
What Biden and Clinton took a part of serbia ,Albanians was on us terorist list,hallo wake up
By order of Washington's puppet, the terrorist Zelensky and the fascist Azov regiment are holding about 400 civilians and important NATO figures in the bomb shelters of the Mariupol Azovstal. Using terrorist methods, ISIS wants to prevent the leakage of mass information to the media, where people will learn the true picture of events and manipulations of Washington. Imagine the level of lies, cynicism and manipulation of Washington.
CRAP!.
Industrial Military Complex hard at work with great spokesman helping you to come to the right conclusion. Fareed is good.
I haven't seen any interviews with Ukrainian opposition parties.
Fareed is 100% correct, but others have been arguing this point since long before this conflict started - Fiona Hill namely. A departure from a rules based international order, and a return to pure power politics in the nuclear age will in time mean the end of civilization. Fareed's additional point about the US not practicing adherence to a rules based system as well as it should are dead nuts on, and not made often enough.
Problem is, is that he's kind of mincing words and blurring definitions. We could frame this another way, why are these countries not apposed to Autocracies. Because an Autocracy hasn't gone rogue (yet) and is still within the bonds of the global order, is just ignoring the huge problem of Autocratic rulers.
@SCPython Yeah that really sucks, but Putin is killing civilians brutally and indiscriminately in an attempted unprovoked land grab that is being shown to the world by the media as a ruthless Dictator attacking a sovereign Democracy. This will end very badly for himself and Russia and that's what matters right now. I believe the narrative of this video was about defining global support as adhering to global order as apposed to Autocricies vs Democracies not about the pot calling the kettle black.
You got in one, Mike. I think the wishful vibe behind making nice with orderly-looking dictatorships is to try and "rehabilitate them with prosperity". Didn't turn out so well with Russia tho :(
We could easily say that the U.S. and its allies have gone rogue on a number of occasions. Its nothing to do with the internal systems that dictates how a country behaves on the global stage.
@@cherubycarilla7523 Agreed, that's a good point, but Russia has taken Rogue to a whole new level not seen since WW2. Which is a threat to the US and it's allies. And that is now a huge problem for the invader. The Autocratic invader appears to not have used good Judgement to him and his peoples detriment. That is a fundamental weakness of Autocracy.
@@mikeriley3938 Thats not really correct,rougue as in the western invasion of Iraq, was already the whole new level and equally as far as this. Its just that the Iraqis were nowhere near able to fight back, but the levels of destruction and loss of innocent human life were way beyond what we have seen so far in Ukraine. But I do agree Putin hasnt used good judgement. The West have goaded him and the Ukraine have infuriated him and he lost his patience and fell right into the trap. Stupid .
Sorry, but this is a crazy take by a normally very intelligent thinker. Because some of the _largest_ democracies in the world align themselves with an autocrat, it is not a fight against autocracy? Ukraine is and wants to remain a democracy, and is fighting an invasion by someone who wants to impose his will on an entire population. That's called an autocrat. Sure, he claims to rule over a democracy. That's called a lie. India leans towards becoming an autocracy, just like China, Hungary and for that matter, America if the party of Trump takes over.
Ukraine is not a democracy at all, they are a fascist puppet state, even usa is not a democracy, corrupt corporate oligarchy
Ukrai. is foul of nazist who want use weapons that they have. It's not about democracy. They like Isis but Christian.
Agreed Zakaria, but what will those rules be?
Nevertheless acknowledged....
Your criticism is well noted. Time to upgrade your ethics USA, both internally and externally if you wish to remain respected on the world stage. A big portion of the problem is rooted in
exploitive capitalism and excessive greed.
Thank you! Well explained! Clear, sharp, true!
The strategy of hypocrisy?
"Rules based order"? The 2003 invasion of Iraq called and wants it's meme back.
6 years after their inception the CIA overthrows its first government and installs a puppet regime. (Iran 1953 Operation Ajax)
good whataboutism
@@Logarithm906 yet it still happened. Hard to moralize to others when your own house is pretty darn messy. People don't appreciate it when they are told to do as I say and not as I do.
Still waiting on the US to join that pesky ICC. Wouldn't want one set of rules for the US and one for others.
Rules based order mean selling and buying oil in US dollars to preserve the petrodollar system for the bankers. That is what it means. This is what Russia and China are really challenging.
yup, hits the spot right there
I remember Trump threatening the ICC investigators with arrest if they came to the US. He also pardoned the Blackwater contractors who were convicted of war crimes.
Condolences to all the mothers, fathers and children who lost their loved ones in Ukraine
What about condolences for the people in the AP video that just released that shows ukraines SBU terrorizing people there that question the narrative?
today is exactly 8 years since the burning of more than forty people in Odessa, but the perpetrators have not been punished. this is one of the hundreds of reasons for the war in Ukraine.
it's interesting that Odessa is not on the side of Russia, though. They hate you.
Surely the irony of being able to say this is not lost.
1:30 Occam's Razor. It would seem because it is national interest.
Is the American manifest destiny of an entirely free world egotistical or a value worth fighting for. This is the question every citizen of the United States must ask themselves
We wouldn’t be hypocrites if we just admitted it
And there would be valid arguments against such an attitude
But personally… i fought for a free world with no illusions as to the politics behind my battles
Given the extremely poor performance of Russian weaponry in the Ukraine war, India might want to rethink it's reliance on Russian weapons. Given it's two potential antagonists, Pakistan and China use either Russian weapon systems or locally made reverse-engineered Russian weapon systems, India should start thinking about moving to Western equipment in order to gain an advantage.
That's a decade-long and expensive process. The Indian Military is massive. The fastest and easiest thing they can get from the Western military is their doctrines and tactics.
Russian equipment isnt poorly performing because its bad. Its performing poorly because the russians are not using them correctly, they have not been properly maintaining their equipment, and they have poor logistics for such equipment. Keep in mind the Ukrainians are using russian requipment too.
@@RazgrizWing Most systems, if you open them up, are using interior parts from the West. Especially from America. The sanctions will make it nearly impossible to recreate or replenish these systems.
@@andrei1971 not most mostly small drones the main expensive stuff are in house and a lot of this weapons with India are joint operations like brahmos missiles Russian research Indian engineering
Maybe. First, I wouldn't count on a lot more support from many of the countries on the fence just by changing the narrative more to saying that we're fighting for a rules-based world order. I'm not convinced that's going to be enough for many of them to substantially reconsider their calculus leading to them being on the fence. Further, as you noted yourself, the US is not the strongest supporter of a rules-based world order itself. However, the US is perhaps the most powerful party in the coalition resisting Russia's aggression in Ukraine. So, if we tried to change the narrative to being a struggle between those that are in favor of a rules-based world order might that not take much of the focus away from Russia's aggression and instead bring more focus to the US's lack of willingness to submit to a rules-based world order itself? Secondly, all these rules-based world order ideas are nice, but the mechanisms to enforce any rules-based world order is weak. So, this or that world court rules this or that,... so what? They typically have little, or no power to enforce their decisions. The power is concentrated in nation-states in our world. Admittedly, it might be better if the human race saw itself more as one big tribe, but I don't think that's ever been the case and doesn't appear to be the case now. The 'rules' in human groups usually leads to greater stability in the hierarchy. If you're seeking to ascend that hierarchy, many of those 'rules' might be expected to make that difficult. Presumably, this is why many say that Putin doesn't want to obey the established 'rules'. Many of the established rules are meant to promote stability in the hierarchy, but he wants Russia to rise substantially in the International hierarchy. So it appears he is willing to accept a higher risk, less stable world to increase the odds that more substantial changes in the international hierarchy might be achieved. So, the dilemma becomes that all these international organizations, like the UN and all these international courts generally have little, or no power, to back up any decrees they make. Virtually all the power is in the nation-states. Perhaps for now we need to make some lesser of two evils compromise and choose the tribe, or tribes, that we believe will increase the survival of our world and maximize the flourishing of the human potential even though the only available vehicles to do so are less than ideal. Maybe someday we can get beyond this tribalism, and/or see ourselves as one big human tribe but that appears unattainable any time in the foreseeable future.
This is a very good presentation. Right on in all respects. Thanks👍