Crazy times my friend up is down and down is full on Woke! It’s like all this labelling/group identities has been set up-to divide is not unite us! The only label people should want is ‘oh, he’s/she’s, really Friendly, Nice, Cool, great To be around etc ..’ the individual is key not their nonsense grouping! To me it’s reverse racism, all blacks are the same. All gays are the same, all White men..the same.... I hear these do-gooders speaking ‘on behalf’ of these groups and wince and cringe every time...nothing better than a middle class,white woman doing this.
@@user-tc7lb6rr4r There is no reverse racism. Racism doesn't have a direction, it's just one c**t being a c**t about everyone who's not the same kind of c**t as them.
Why do we have the need to keep grouping people into accrynoms? The more groups, the more division. As a black man, I refuse to join or be categorised under any acronym.
One of my neighbours is a black lower middle class family, lady has two mixed race children from (a former white) partner and a black child with current hubby. I am pretty sure they have more in common with me (white man)and my non white wife. I doubt they have anything in common with East African Muslim black women who live in say Washwood Heath or Tower Hamlets
@ifeanyi O and I'm Asian, now that we've been labelled and we're in the same club, perhaps you would like to come round for a cup of racist English tea?
Right. And the social engineers of today know this full well. It's the age old tactic of divide and rule. They want division so that they can cancel individual cultures and rule over a single world (with them ruling). It's a shame so many people buy what _is_ essentially racism claiming not to be (doublethink / cognitive dissonance). And many of the rest are simply scared not to fall in line and agree or fearfully stay silent.
I’ve always found it funny that “coloured” is a slur, but “person of colour” is progressive, liberal, cultured and sensitive. What an amazing time to be alive.
That one's always made my head spin too. As a rule of thumb, new euphemisms for minorities have a 20-30 year lifespan in English during which time they transition from progressive and inoffensive to becoming offensive (as generations change). Even "coloured" was once a very proper and fairly respectful alternative to the other words in use (as the NAACP's name makes clear). Give it a few decades and black will be verboten while "of colour" will be a slur and BAME will be in poor taste. Changing the euphemisms is a feel-good bandaid that fails to address the underlying issues. Just a painkiller that ignores the cancer of actual racist views by masking them.
BBC only offer certain jobs to non-white people now. They acronym it BAME, because UK should be resolving 'social justice'. It sounds like simple racism. They also want straight workers to start wearing little badges to identify that they are heterosexual - but pledge support for LGBQ. Pretty much like something out of Mein Kampf. No, this isn't a joke. It's insane and unfortunately true. It's an outrage they are funded by state TV licenses.
One of our Community Support Officers went around calling it BAM for several months, but never said K-POW, BLAM or ZONG. I say, if you're going to be Batman, at least be consistent.
Unfortunately treating people as individuals is somehow racist now. You need to check your privilege and start making allowances and special accommodations for your "BAME" friends. Even though that would suck the mutual respect and everything else good out of your friendships.
@@od1401 That's why I call it totalitarian ideology. Not because it remotely has total power, but because it wishes to change interactions IN THE PRIVATE SPACE. If any friend ever tries to treat me as anything but myself or reflect their privilege... that person isn't a friend.
Those acronyms are absolutely exhilarating. BAME, POC - sounds like you might as well say UFO. How afraid of different people do you have to be, to run away behind "you-know-who" terms?
@@junaidmohammad5664 I really dislike the term "person of colour" because it is implying that the colour of your skin is the most significant thing about you. Are you a man of honour? Are you a person of integrity? Are you a person of colour?
@@chesterdonnelly1212 exactly. I'm a person. Recognize me by my values and my work which I cultivate throughout my lifetime, not the melanin content of my skin which I was born with
uknownalias dw i am also asian but not an idiot so i know that i am an ethnic minority in the uk. Just like how a white person is a minority in China, India and South Africa.
@YoshiPeach Mario all of the poor areas are white? That's disingenuous, plenty of poor white people everywhere suffering just like everyone else. We used to understand this now we act like class isn't the issue and make it about race.
martin pickard yoshi is referring to France (Paris) specifically, where the Habitation à Loyer Modéré have some of the lowest standards of living in the country and are populated overwhelmingly by “non-white” residents. Not everywhere is the same as America.
I am an American, so I JUST discovered this guy. Having seen clips from THIS show, I went out to find more of his work. he and I actually disagree on a LOT! I am an American, "rugged individualist" type and he is a British lefty. But on the things he discusses here, he and I agree wholeheartedly! He SEES the folly in all of this, even though it is mostly his lefty pals professing it. My point is that if an American individualist, Libertarian Conservative like me, and a British lefty like Mr. Pie here can find SOMEthing upon which we agree...maybe there is more if we all stop yelling, start talking, and LOOK for it.
Context matters, so we should all note that Mr. Pie is talking about usage in the UK. Yes, "minority ethnic" covers black people and Asian people just as much as it covers members of any other minority ethnic group, so to add "black" and "Asian" is redundant. Not only that, but it also seems to suggest that black people and Asian people are somehow more worthy of recognition than the others, which is pretty racist in itself.
The white side of a mix raced person is almost always genetically dominated by the non white side. So no, she doesn't doesn't get any "privilege" as she is not perceived to be white. Unless she is the minority of mixed people where the mixed person appears white.
Unfortunately, white people have a head start in life. Until, us blacks can catch up, you're just gonna have to live with the labels. I hate it too dont get me wrong - just wanna be on your level ;)
Commercio Um, no, plenty of black people are able to have this “head start” aswell as plenty of whites not having this “head start” it’s just that because of BLM movements and such they only show the fact that black people are disadvantaged just because it fits there narrative, there are many black people who are disadvantaged but it’s not because of race BLM isn’t really what it stands for tbh now, it’s literally just an Only Black Lives Matter movement now, good in theory but it’s lost it’s meaning now
@@commercio3564 dude... dont assume white people have a head start. Try being ginger... its class not race. The media should be ashamed with how they have twisted facts.
@@turokk3352 exactly. Its class, not race.. and yes, ginger..an anagram of an even more offensive word.. had it shouted at me all my life by strangers, bullied because of it etc.. but let's not compare because we will be eaten alive
@@brendanm4179 People will always pick on differences in appearance, social standing, wealth, anything that makes you stand out from the norm. I used to get shit for having reddish coloured hair, always hearing "GINGer" from my own friends, one thing it taught me was to develop a smart mouth & to fire comebacks that were so brutally cutting that people wouldn't want to test me. Being 6'6 helps a bit too. Obviously being targeted for your race is a very different kind of personal attack but there are similarities, you can't help what you were born with. You just need to adapt & deal with it in whichever way you can.
So true, my Dad (70+ years old) still often uses offensive words for gay people, and he's supporting the LGBT fights, he's just stuck in the wordings of his time, what matters is your intentions.
It used to be white and black people and coloured people, language and words are changed supposedly in the name of understanding but in reality it is cynical manipulation of language in the pursuit of power.
Ian Paling it pits non white against white. Aren’t we all just people? Why is there so much importance about skin colour. Everyone can feel unwanted, everyone can be discriminated against and every one is capable of being good or bad. Personal responsibility for bad choices is a far better measure of someone than whether they have (as a group) been privileged or oppressed. Every nationality and nation has experienced both.
@@ThisIsWhyWeFight the best part is when the people who are "against" racism and sexism then go and say "something something white men need to shut up". like, hold on a minute. didnt you just judge someones behaviour based on race and gender? that sounds a little sexist
Since I heard the term 'people of colour' I always had a problem with it as it comes across very 'us' and 'them'. There are white people then there are 'people of colour'. How much melanin do you have to have to be a person of colour? If you're seven parts European and one part Caribbean then can you call yourself a person of colour? Is it literally about the amount of melanin you have or is it more about nationality. Also, you have Americans, African Americans, Italian Americans, Native Americans, and so on, but if you're going to define what type of US citizen you are then surely all white people in the US should be referred to as European Americans, not just Americans, which should be the word for the natives? On top of that how do you define 'colour'? It seems to be a very big thing in the US but I don't get it. In an episode of Scrubs Carla was angry at Terk for thinking she was black, when she was Dominican...what? Wait...so...um. If you're a brown skinned person in America you're generally referred to as black, unless you come from...where exactly? It feels like ethnicity, nationality, and melanin concentration are all thrown in a mixing pot.
I'm half vietnamese & Brit, born in Germany. I never called myself colored. My identity isn't my skin color. It's a racist concept. People are a "bit" more than skin. These woke people are bigots, suffering from white guilt.
Ironically, scientifically black people are without colour (for the most part) and white people would be the most colourful, because the melanin in black people actually absorb the rays, and are therefore black. White people, on the other hand, reflect all colours of the spectrum of visible light equally and as such you get a white colour. I'm not arguing for defining things by their scientific/technical definition, don't get me wrong; it's simply a fun thought. Personally, I get upset with the perpetuation of races. In my native language, the word for 'race' is what we use for differentiating between the breeds of dogs. Scientifically, different breeds of dogs are far, *far* more different than any two human "races" compared.
I've heard recently that BAME is now being rejected as offensive. Maybe we should stop trying to find new terminology for recognising diversity and start doing the opposite... let's just accept that in all the ways that matter, we are all the same.
Sometimes im beginning to think something much bigger than us really wants to find ways to divide us and be blinded who’s the real enemy. This is too ridiculous
I have a black brother who completely rejects BAME because as far as he is concerned he is British or black British and definitely not a person of colour which he dislikes even more. British or Black British categories are the only categories he recognises. He is married to a Japanese girl and she felt the same level of rejection but they are also not Guardian readers. Also as she pointed out Take China, Japan, Taiwan, India and already the minority ethnic are not such a minority. Also the majority of Russia is in Asia. Priti Patel said it was "patronising." David Lammy the left wing Labour politician said "I'd like to see it scrapped." . Omar Khan said "few people would identify as BAME." Does this mean shock horror The Guardian and BBC are being politically incorrect:)
We are all 'people of colour' so i always found that a bit. white is a colour, so that thinking is weird. I would describe your brother as British. Unless I needed to describe his appearance in which case I would say Black British. But in general if I'm describing someone i know who is black british unless his skin colour or race is relevant to the conversation involving them I dont bring it up. If I made a friend who happened to be black. I would just tell people 'I made a friend.' their race is not relevant unless we are describing appearance or ethnicity. BAME is an even weirder word than people of colour. I mean if I was on an official programme by the BBC I would probably either that or ethnic minority... Actually whatever happened to 'ethnic minority'? Is it considered offensive now? I thought all it meant was that certain ethnic groups are less of a percentage in the general population than the ethnic majority.
@@JustAnotherPerson4U I'm guessing people were claiming to be an ethnic minority which the official race baiters wanted to exclude, e.g. Cornish people, white South Africans, Irish etc. They wanted a word for non-white that didn't sound racist. We used to just say coloured, but that's not allowed now for some reason.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 "Oh, the previous term we used to distinguish white people and not white people is now offensive, let's come up with a new one!" The left every 5 years or so
'Coloured people' is a weird one - I thought white was also a colour? Also, very few white people are actually white, and very few black people are actually black. Most of us are somewhere between pink and brown - which are both colours as well, aren't they?
Weird isn’t it how in these supposedly progressive times we’ve managed to label and group more people based off bullshit characteristics then ever before. It’s almost like are actions directly contribute to the issue we are trying to solve.
In Italian 'tomato soup' is 'zuppa di pomodoro (soup of tomato)'. 'Coloured people' is 'gente di colore (people of colour)'. As I understand it, all the Romance languages use 'of, as above. Whomever came up with 'people of colour' must have been very lazy. And I think it shows the absurdity of changing the PC terminology every decade or so: 'What's that -- everyone has accepted our new term out of a desire to be inclusive?-- well we can't have that, who are we going to feel morally superior to now?-- 'Quick, quick, think of a new term, lest we be forced to actually do something to show our virtue!
Strictly, the division is even worse than indicated here, the Welsh and the Scots in Great Britain quality as belonging to their own 'minority ethnic groups' - so where does that leave the acronym?
@@Flyingwithoutmings - The BBC aren't left-wing. About the only area where they could be considered left-wing, is identity politics. On anything important their bias is decidedly to the right.
Jesus weeps!!! BAME wtf!!!! I'm technically this category and I've never heard of it before...... I'm returning under my rock, where sanity provails because the real world is just full of bollocks acronyms and pricks that use them
BAME has been around for a while though. POC, on the other hand, is a newer PC American term that's sliding it's way here amongst the British youth unfortunately. It sounds too much like "coloured people".
@John Hewitt It's awkward that you didn't close those quotation marks. Imagine Martin Luther King breaking off from his famous speech to rant about the BBC!
Im black and most of my black friends all hate the word BAME and POC, because its essentially grouping everyone who isn’t white as one like we all face the same experience and have the same culture and the same challenges. Spoiler, we don’t. Its worse when ppl specifically call me a BAME, like no i’m black, call me black.
I’m 18 and most of my online and irl friends are lefties, I’m also a lefty but if I criticise Labour, I end up feeling sort of alienated because then people in my friend group look down on me and make me feel like a bad person. I usually stick to talking about politics online because it gives me time to think through what the other person has said without the added stress of the social nuances required for face-to-face contact (I’m autistic so I struggle with that lol). I think most people mean well when they impose politically correct terms on others, and when they start policing other’s behaviour. It really depends what it is, I think some of the far left just sort of disregard context, like Jonathan Pie alluded to with the LGBTQIA+ and BAME jokes. If someone uses the word ‘tranny’ while making fun of transphobic people, I see no issue, but some would go nuts over it. Anyway, sorry for the rant, politics confuses me and this comment ended up being a stream of consciousness lol. Have a good day everyone and remember, as long as you’re not an actual bigot who thinks LGBT people should be killed or something, there’s nothing wrong with your views because they’re just your opinion.
With all these people saying"it's ok to be white" or "it's ok to be black" in the comments, I just want to say it's ok to be human. Except it's not ok to be human, as a species we are horrific creatures...
Phill With an F horrific, yes at time. And at other times, beautiful, creative, compassionate, tenacious, loving, gracious. Depends on your viewpoint, I suppose.
@West Yorkshire the symbol of the KKK is a burning cross, they believe that they're carrying out god's will, as did many NAZIS during the Holocaust, it's why so many people just went along with it... To say religion isn't responsible for such atrocities, to at least some degree degree is a bit ignorant...
@@phillwithanf6698 Religion is not responsible. Horrible human beings are responsible, and will use any excuse to do terrible things, including religion, politics etc.
I always thought "people of colour" was a slightly odd phrase. Like, using the phrase "coloured people" is obviously racist and backwards, but apparently it's actually progressive if you just switch the word order?
Ive never known something about people as irrelevant as what colour their skin. Black white, the only people that actually care about colour are rasist themselves. You dont need to be hatefull rasist, Judging people based on colour is rasist.
I'd never even heard this until a few months ago when it was mentioned in the context of Covid, as in people in "BAME" communities are more likely to have worse disease outcomes. I was like Wtf? Obviously not difficult to deduce the meaning, or make an educated guess as to what it stands for, but yet another of these stupid buzzphrases that everyone has to use nowadays.
Yes, 'BAME' is ridiculous, and 'coloured' is just archaic to the point of weirdness, especially given the way it was used in the apartheid system. As a black woman, I am more than happy with 'ethnic minority,' or the actual racial subgroup (black/Jewish/Chinese/mixed-race, etc), but that's just my opinion.
Acronyms or even more insulting. Plus, they introduce an order. So even when you'll replace the word "people" with "WAB," you'll be able to find objectionable matters. For example, in BAME, why is Asian put second? What's wrong with ABME?
Can I start labelling myself a native? I'm indigenous to these islands, my ancestors have lived here since before the North sea flooded the connection with the continent. Then can I start labelling anyone else a colonizer? I like this linguistics game 👌🏼🤭
Well, yes, me too. However dont forget that those pesky homo sapiens crossed the land bridge and wiped out those nice Neanderthals who were here first!
What irks me most about that acronym is that 'Black' comes first. Black people aren't the largest minority community in the UK, they aren't even the second largest, they aren't even a single community!
Black, Asian, Minority, Ethnic...so we group colours and foreigners into an acronym and nobody in the liberal group notices, it's a bit racist XD. Interesting times we live in.
So please to see so many like minded people commenting here, I love you all guys! In fact I was so please someone said this out loud, it's very much what I thought right from the off when I first heard this awful term. Pigeonholing people does nothing to help and everything to divide. One love.
Welcome to South East Asia, the place where there's no racist, discrimination, and accept all religions !!!!! The place that is full of incredible history and cultures !!!!!!!!!!
I love it! BAME. Next time I see another person I have never met nor have not been introduced to yet or for that matter not even heard of when they show up on my Facebook page in fix-it mode carrying the word BABE with the phrase - loosing your soul -- I'll just remember the word BAME while remembering the above delightful performance instead while ignoring the offer for me to be fixed!
"dark skinned Johnny foreigners" I choked on my laugh. Yes, is true: the real racists are the far left woke crowd. The rest of us are just normal people who judge you by your character, not your race or gender or sexuality.
People used to be called “alien” back in the days where you have to go and register yourself with the local police in order to receive an alien certificate in U.K. They just changed the wording from Aliens to BAME.
West Country people are usually portrayed as sheltered from much of the modern world, and a little bit backwards and nieve. But usually well-meaning. Kinda like The Hobbits in LOTR.
Yep, an interviewer asked the UK health secretary 'how many black people in the cabinet' (during the blm stuff) and he replied 'well, we have many BAME people and went on to list asians and stuff. Its as if Africans asian, Latinos etc are just one entire race apart from whites
I am certainly not colorblind, as I believe that everyone is beautiful for their differences, but I do believe as @Harry Molyneux said that until we stop fixating on color of skin, or gender, or age, etc. we will always be divided.
I find it disturbing that people get more offended by the words used than the message. If you don't like a word people are using explain why instead of getting out the pitchforks and torches. I'm more of an old school gay man and the things I heard in my life is much worse than calling people by a word you don't approve of. People need to grow up. Being woke is just pointless posturing and virtue signalling.
I'm here after a Fawlty Towers episode got cancelled, and oh boy... Even the Major looks nuanced and enlightened in comparison. "No no no , these people aren't BAME. These are *BAME!* " There, 'fixed' it. 🙄
@@urbanwarrior3470 well like jokes, or funny stories for instance This is just like a political rally, which I guess would be entertaining if you agree with it because it's enjoyable to hear people say what you believe
I'm aware 'jokes and funny stories' is quite a simplistic take on what stand up is. But he is simply stating an opinion in this clip that he knows the majority of his audience will agree with. The laughter isn't 'funny' laughter, it's 'agree' laughter.
"people of colour" is the new term for black and brown people. It is just one more idiotic American expression based on changing words rather than society. When I was growing up "coloured people" was a common phrase that is now considered offensive. But if you think about it "people of colour is simply a reworking of that phrase. It's also quite odd to say such and such of. We don't say I have hair of red, or people of paleness. It also implies that that pale people have no colour at all as if colour of any kind is some strange attribute not connected with "normal people". It's falsely sensitive and in the end based in the inability of white society to actually make any meaningful changes that will end its beliefs and practices based on notions of supremacy.
I was Black my entire life...when did i suddenly become a 'person of colour'?
When Asian American women wanted to be part of the anti-racist Black feminist discourse.
Crazy times my friend up is down and down is full on Woke! It’s like all this labelling/group identities has been set up-to divide is not unite us! The only label people should want is ‘oh, he’s/she’s, really Friendly, Nice, Cool, great To be around etc ..’ the individual is key not their nonsense grouping! To me it’s reverse racism, all blacks are the same. All gays are the same, all White men..the same.... I hear these do-gooders speaking ‘on behalf’ of these groups and wince and cringe every time...nothing better than a middle class,white woman doing this.
@@user-tc7lb6rr4r There is no reverse racism. Racism doesn't have a direction, it's just one c**t being a c**t about everyone who's not the same kind of c**t as them.
@@tSp289 Agree. Racism is racism.
When idiots said you were offended by it.
Why do we have the need to keep grouping people into accrynoms? The more groups, the more division.
As a black man, I refuse to join or be categorised under any acronym.
One of my neighbours is a black lower middle class family, lady has two mixed race children from (a former white) partner and a black child with current hubby. I am pretty sure they have more in common with me (white man)and my non white wife. I doubt they have anything in common with East African Muslim black women who live in say Washwood Heath or Tower Hamlets
@ifeanyi O and I'm Asian, now that we've been labelled and we're in the same club, perhaps you would like to come round for a cup of racist English tea?
Well said
Grouping people by the amount of melanin in the skin is completely bizarre.
@@laurencedavey3121 agreed why not colour of our hair? Or eyes?
The longer we're told to fixate on the colour of our skin, the longer we'll be divided.
And the more we fixate on it, the more divided we'll be.
Right. And the social engineers of today know this full well. It's the age old tactic of divide and rule. They want division so that they can cancel individual cultures and rule over a single world (with them ruling). It's a shame so many people buy what _is_ essentially racism claiming not to be (doublethink / cognitive dissonance). And many of the rest are simply scared not to fall in line and agree or fearfully stay silent.
💯
“We were all HUMANS until RACE disconnected us, RELIGION separated us, POLITICS divided us, and WEALTH classified us” V for Vendetta
Been saying this for years harry
I’ve always found it funny that “coloured” is a slur, but “person of colour” is progressive, liberal, cultured and sensitive.
What an amazing time to be alive.
That one's always made my head spin too. As a rule of thumb, new euphemisms for minorities have a 20-30 year lifespan in English during which time they transition from progressive and inoffensive to becoming offensive (as generations change). Even "coloured" was once a very proper and fairly respectful alternative to the other words in use (as the NAACP's name makes clear). Give it a few decades and black will be verboten while "of colour" will be a slur and BAME will be in poor taste. Changing the euphemisms is a feel-good bandaid that fails to address the underlying issues. Just a painkiller that ignores the cancer of actual racist views by masking them.
My guess is 'person of colour' puts the word 'person' first, and doesn't feature a participle adjective implying something being done to that person.
@@paranoidrodent That's called the euphemism treadmill in linguistics.
@@michael_gibbs The term sounds familiar but I couldn't recall the name (only the phenomenon) when I was writing. Thanks for the clarification.
@@paranoidrodent You're welcome.
BAME is just one Latino away from BLAME. That says a lot
Much applause! That's one of the smartest comments I have ever read on social media. Beautifully simple.
LOOOOOLL
Genius, simply genius.
And look what happened to the Pridelands when Blair let in the Hyenas lol...
@Barry Jahed which some of them are...sooo
I've never heard of BAME and I am significantly worse off after the fact.
BBC only offer certain jobs to non-white people now. They acronym it BAME, because UK should be resolving 'social justice'. It sounds like simple racism.
They also want straight workers to start wearing little badges to identify that they are heterosexual - but pledge support for LGBQ.
Pretty much like something out of Mein Kampf.
No, this isn't a joke. It's insane and unfortunately true. It's an outrage they are funded by state TV licenses.
never heard of it either
One of our Community Support Officers went around calling it BAM for several months, but never said K-POW, BLAM or ZONG. I say, if you're going to be Batman, at least be consistent.
@@awnnerd Why don't you just go around calling it RACIST - it's easier to remember.
@@furqueue9590 It's frowned upon, I'm afraid. They take you off the tea rota.
"All you have to do sometimes to appear liberal is to use the right words"
Shit that's ON POINT.
So, I’ve apparently now got BAME friends.
I think I much preferred it when my friends were just my friends.
Unfortunately treating people as individuals is somehow racist now. You need to check your privilege and start making allowances and special accommodations for your "BAME" friends. Even though that would suck the mutual respect and everything else good out of your friendships.
I'm sorry to tell you, but, by woke standards, you're a racist.
@@od1401 That's why I call it totalitarian ideology. Not because it remotely has total power, but because it wishes to change interactions IN THE PRIVATE SPACE.
If any friend ever tries to treat me as anything but myself or reflect their privilege... that person isn't a friend.
I personally hate it, it's de-humanizing
Those acronyms are absolutely exhilarating. BAME, POC - sounds like you might as well say UFO. How afraid of different people do you have to be, to run away behind "you-know-who" terms?
Funny enough all these terms are invented by the very people who "push against racism"
As a brown man myself, if anyone calls me a POC and reduces my identity down to the color of my skin, best believe I'm spinning their jaw
@@junaidmohammad5664 I really dislike the term "person of colour" because it is implying that the colour of your skin is the most significant thing about you.
Are you a man of honour? Are you a person of integrity? Are you a person of colour?
@@chesterdonnelly1212 exactly. I'm a person. Recognize me by my values and my work which I cultivate throughout my lifetime, not the melanin content of my skin which I was born with
Why don't we just say ' people ' . That'd work and it'd be a lot less complicated .
Counter proposal, can we not just recognise people are different without being accused of racism or bigotry?
Hahah you cant say people as that is racist to aliens!!!
Because that would counterintuitive to discussing racial issues in society
@@adampowers6423 "racial issues"... like the one they had in nazi germany with all those jews earning more than germans. Ah not wait fck
Thats speciesism.
I'm Asian and I'm NOT BAME. Ethnic, YES. Minority, NO!!! We are ALL human beings!!!
You're worried about the minority term? Minority is just the less common. What's wrong or false about that, if you are in a white majority country?
But what country are you from or a citizen of? None of it truly matters other than for a person's cultural heritage.
Does Eastern European count? We're an ethnic minority in Britain but like hmmm
So asians are in the majority? I don’t understand your valid opinion
uknownalias dw i am also asian but not an idiot so i know that i am an ethnic minority in the uk. Just like how a white person is a minority in China, India and South Africa.
Wouldn’t it be better if we could just not collectivise people? If I was just me. You were just you. And we were, each of us, just us...
society is too far gone to do that.
@YoshiPeach Mario all of the poor areas are white? That's disingenuous, plenty of poor white people everywhere suffering just like everyone else. We used to understand this now we act like class isn't the issue and make it about race.
martin pickard yoshi is referring to France (Paris) specifically, where the Habitation à Loyer Modéré have some of the lowest standards of living in the country and are populated overwhelmingly by “non-white” residents. Not everywhere is the same as America.
Because that’s anathema to the contemporary Left who are dyed-in-the-wool Collectivists.
@@jam4631 it IS a class issue....
....when you're white.
The system set up for white people to succeed cus they created it
I am an American, so I JUST discovered this guy. Having seen clips from THIS show, I went out to find more of his work.
he and I actually disagree on a LOT! I am an American, "rugged individualist" type and he is a British lefty. But on the things he discusses here, he and I agree wholeheartedly! He SEES the folly in all of this, even though it is mostly his lefty pals professing it.
My point is that if an American individualist, Libertarian Conservative like me, and a British lefty like Mr. Pie here can find SOMEthing upon which we agree...maybe there is more if we all stop yelling, start talking, and LOOK for it.
Black Asian Minority Ethnic? I mean, surely "minority" covers all those bases?
Again context matters.
Whites are minorities in Africa & Asia.
@@xoqvuz pretty sure 'BAME' is not a phrase they use over there
Pretty sure there are less whites than any other race globally, so how does that work?
Context matters, so we should all note that Mr. Pie is talking about usage in the UK.
Yes, "minority ethnic" covers black people and Asian people just as much as it covers members of any other minority ethnic group, so to add "black" and "Asian" is redundant.
Not only that, but it also seems to suggest that black people and Asian people are somehow more worthy of recognition than the others, which is pretty racist in itself.
I mean, "Asian" people cover half the worlds total population. Nothing minority about that.
My daughter is half asian, so is that like “diet white”? All the privilege, half the guilt?
Giant middle finger to progressive politics.
The white side of a mix raced person is almost always genetically dominated by the non white side.
So no, she doesn't doesn't get any "privilege" as she is not perceived to be white.
Unless she is the minority of mixed people where the mixed person appears white.
@@Kashmachine10 thanks, I needed my daily load of nonsense
Diet white 😂😂😂
It's all disgusting to be honest. A person is a person. Good job, hilarious!
Unfortunately, white people have a head start in life. Until, us blacks can catch up, you're just gonna have to live with the labels. I hate it too dont get me wrong - just wanna be on your level ;)
Commercio
Um, no, plenty of black people are able to have this “head start” aswell as plenty of whites not having this “head start” it’s just that because of BLM movements and such they only show the fact that black people are disadvantaged just because it fits there narrative, there are many black people who are disadvantaged but it’s not because of race
BLM isn’t really what it stands for tbh now, it’s literally just an Only Black Lives Matter movement now, good in theory but it’s lost it’s meaning now
@@commercio3564 dude... dont assume white people have a head start. Try being ginger... its class not race. The media should be ashamed with how they have twisted facts.
@@turokk3352 exactly. Its class, not race.. and yes, ginger..an anagram of an even more offensive word.. had it shouted at me all my life by strangers, bullied because of it etc.. but let's not compare because we will be eaten alive
@@brendanm4179 People will always pick on differences in appearance, social standing, wealth, anything that makes you stand out from the norm.
I used to get shit for having reddish coloured hair, always hearing "GINGer" from my own friends, one thing it taught me was to develop a smart mouth & to fire comebacks that were so brutally cutting that people wouldn't want to test me.
Being 6'6 helps a bit too.
Obviously being targeted for your race is a very different kind of personal attack but there are similarities, you can't help what you were born with.
You just need to adapt & deal with it in whichever way you can.
BAME!!! _I'm gonna liiiiiiive forevvvvvver..._
Very good! Got a giggle outta it.
Lol
I thought you were going to go with...
BAME!! BAME!! Makes a man think things over.
BAME!!
I don't get it.
Edit: He was referencing "Fame" by Irine Cara.
"Fame! I'm gonna live forever"
😂😂😂😂😂
So true, my Dad (70+ years old) still often uses offensive words for gay people, and he's supporting the LGBT fights, he's just stuck in the wordings of his time, what matters is your intentions.
It used to be white and black people and coloured people, language and words are changed supposedly in the name of understanding but in reality it is cynical manipulation of language in the pursuit of power.
Ian Paling it pits non white against white. Aren’t we all just people? Why is there so much importance about skin colour. Everyone can feel unwanted, everyone can be discriminated against and every one is capable of being good or bad. Personal responsibility for bad choices is a far better measure of someone than whether they have (as a group) been privileged or oppressed. Every nationality and nation has experienced both.
@@ThisIsWhyWeFight the best part is when the people who are "against" racism and sexism then go and say "something something white men need to shut up". like, hold on a minute. didnt you just judge someones behaviour based on race and gender? that sounds a little sexist
Judge a person not by the color of their skin but by the context of their character.
Not
*Woke*
Enough!
Since I heard the term 'people of colour' I always had a problem with it as it comes across very 'us' and 'them'. There are white people then there are 'people of colour'. How much melanin do you have to have to be a person of colour? If you're seven parts European and one part Caribbean then can you call yourself a person of colour? Is it literally about the amount of melanin you have or is it more about nationality.
Also, you have Americans, African Americans, Italian Americans, Native Americans, and so on, but if you're going to define what type of US citizen you are then surely all white people in the US should be referred to as European Americans, not just Americans, which should be the word for the natives?
On top of that how do you define 'colour'? It seems to be a very big thing in the US but I don't get it. In an episode of Scrubs Carla was angry at Terk for thinking she was black, when she was Dominican...what? Wait...so...um. If you're a brown skinned person in America you're generally referred to as black, unless you come from...where exactly?
It feels like ethnicity, nationality, and melanin concentration are all thrown in a mixing pot.
preciousinfinity yes. Its very divisive. White people vs everyone else.
I'm half vietnamese & Brit, born in Germany. I never called myself colored. My identity isn't my skin color.
It's a racist concept. People are a "bit" more than skin.
These woke people are bigots, suffering from white guilt.
Ironically, scientifically black people are without colour (for the most part) and white people would be the most colourful, because the melanin in black people actually absorb the rays, and are therefore black. White people, on the other hand, reflect all colours of the spectrum of visible light equally and as such you get a white colour.
I'm not arguing for defining things by their scientific/technical definition, don't get me wrong; it's simply a fun thought.
Personally, I get upset with the perpetuation of races. In my native language, the word for 'race' is what we use for differentiating between the breeds of dogs. Scientifically, different breeds of dogs are far, *far* more different than any two human "races" compared.
Don't forget the stirring
I'm pretty sure Carla from Scrubs was annoyed that Turk was identifying her as Puerto Rican. But I may be misremembering.
I've heard recently that BAME is now being rejected as offensive. Maybe we should stop trying to find new terminology for recognising diversity and start doing the opposite... let's just accept that in all the ways that matter, we are all the same.
Sometimes im beginning to think something much bigger than us really wants to find ways to divide us and be blinded who’s the real enemy. This is too ridiculous
I have a black brother who completely rejects BAME because as far as he is concerned he is British or black British and definitely not a person of colour which he dislikes even more. British or Black British categories are the only categories he recognises. He is married to a Japanese girl and she felt the same level of rejection but they are also not Guardian readers. Also as she pointed out Take China, Japan, Taiwan, India and already the minority ethnic are not such a minority. Also the majority of Russia is in Asia. Priti Patel said it was "patronising." David Lammy the left wing Labour politician said "I'd like to see it scrapped." . Omar Khan said "few people would identify as BAME." Does this mean shock horror The Guardian and BBC are being politically incorrect:)
David Lammy is in no way left. And I live in Tottenham and meet him more than I'd like to...
Your brother should just say British and leave it at that because no one else cares!
We are all 'people of colour' so i always found that a bit. white is a colour, so that thinking is weird.
I would describe your brother as British. Unless I needed to describe his appearance in which case I would say Black British. But in general if I'm describing someone i know who is black british unless his skin colour or race is relevant to the conversation involving them I dont bring it up.
If I made a friend who happened to be black. I would just tell people 'I made a friend.' their race is not relevant unless we are describing appearance or ethnicity.
BAME is an even weirder word than people of colour. I mean if I was on an official programme by the BBC I would probably either that or ethnic minority... Actually whatever happened to 'ethnic minority'? Is it considered offensive now? I thought all it meant was that certain ethnic groups are less of a percentage in the general population than the ethnic majority.
@@JustAnotherPerson4U I'm guessing people were claiming to be an ethnic minority which the official race baiters wanted to exclude, e.g. Cornish people, white South Africans, Irish etc. They wanted a word for non-white that didn't sound racist. We used to just say coloured, but that's not allowed now for some reason.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 "Oh, the previous term we used to distinguish white people and not white people is now offensive, let's come up with a new one!" The left every 5 years or so
'Coloured people' is a weird one - I thought white was also a colour? Also, very few white people are actually white, and very few black people are actually black. Most of us are somewhere between pink and brown - which are both colours as well, aren't they?
Without white, there is no color, And as far as the west goes: White Scatters and colors emerge
Weird isn’t it how in these supposedly progressive times we’ve managed to label and group more people based off bullshit characteristics then ever before. It’s almost like are actions directly contribute to the issue we are trying to solve.
Not so much 'weird' as it is ominously overt.
Why should I learn a dumb dog-whistle acronym ?
In Italian 'tomato soup' is 'zuppa di pomodoro (soup of tomato)'. 'Coloured people' is 'gente di colore (people of colour)'.
As I understand it, all the Romance languages use 'of, as above. Whomever came up with 'people of colour' must have been very lazy. And I think it shows the absurdity of changing the PC terminology every decade or so:
'What's that -- everyone has accepted our new term out of a desire to be inclusive?-- well we can't have that, who are we going to feel morally superior to now?-- 'Quick, quick, think of a new term, lest we be forced to actually do something to show our virtue!
Strictly, the division is even worse than indicated here, the Welsh and the Scots in Great Britain quality as belonging to their own 'minority ethnic groups' - so where does that leave the acronym?
Reminds me of George Carlin's material on language. Clever stuff.
The irony of the BBC posting this
Yes, I didn't think the BBC would dare broadcast something like this. I'm wondering if it got much more woke after this video is cut...
It's a BBC programme ffs! lol
@Mark Donald They are allowed to broadcast opinions that are of different opinion. Isn't it a good thing.
Shloopy it’s brilliant! I think around this time the BBC were being VERY left wing, and then this came out and it was just a bit of a difference
@@Flyingwithoutmings - The BBC aren't left-wing. About the only area where they could be considered left-wing, is identity politics. On anything important their bias is decidedly to the right.
Wow, spot on Pie,
Article on bbc website today saying people find being called 'bame' offensive as its too generalising
And since when did "coloured" = oh no, don't say that gran and "people of colour" = ding ding ding!
Jesus weeps!!! BAME wtf!!!! I'm technically this category and I've never heard of it before...... I'm returning under my rock, where sanity provails because the real world is just full of bollocks acronyms and pricks that use them
BAME has been around for a while though. POC, on the other hand, is a newer PC American term that's sliding it's way here amongst the British youth unfortunately. It sounds too much like "coloured people".
The term POC has been around for years here in Britain. About new
Prisoners of Color
@John Hewitt It's awkward that you didn't close those quotation marks. Imagine Martin Luther King breaking off from his famous speech to rant about the BBC!
The funniest one i think i ever heard was when an American call idris elba an African American. Even though he is British.
Im black and most of my black friends all hate the word BAME and POC, because its essentially grouping everyone who isn’t white as one like we all face the same experience and have the same culture and the same challenges. Spoiler, we don’t. Its worse when ppl specifically call me a BAME, like no i’m black, call me black.
The whole show is brilliant.
I’m 18 and most of my online and irl friends are lefties, I’m also a lefty but if I criticise Labour, I end up feeling sort of alienated because then people in my friend group look down on me and make me feel like a bad person. I usually stick to talking about politics online because it gives me time to think through what the other person has said without the added stress of the social nuances required for face-to-face contact (I’m autistic so I struggle with that lol). I think most people mean well when they impose politically correct terms on others, and when they start policing other’s behaviour. It really depends what it is, I think some of the far left just sort of disregard context, like Jonathan Pie alluded to with the LGBTQIA+ and BAME jokes. If someone uses the word ‘tranny’ while making fun of transphobic people, I see no issue, but some would go nuts over it. Anyway, sorry for the rant, politics confuses me and this comment ended up being a stream of consciousness lol. Have a good day everyone and remember, as long as you’re not an actual bigot who thinks LGBT people should be killed or something, there’s nothing wrong with your views because they’re just your opinion.
Good rant 👍
Wish I got to see this live. I do t always agree with everything he says but this is hilarious.
Yes, context.
I’m minority ethnic and I have a sallow-skin, so am I SAME?
With all these people saying"it's ok to be white" or "it's ok to be black" in the comments, I just want to say it's ok to be human.
Except it's not ok to be human, as a species we are horrific creatures...
Phill With an F horrific, yes at time. And at other times, beautiful, creative, compassionate, tenacious, loving, gracious. Depends on your viewpoint, I suppose.
If you really believed that, you'd have killed yourself. So, just a pathetic attempt to virtue-signal with your faux self-flagellation. Ridiculous.
Really? I think we are the most interesting and impressive creatures to of ever existed on this planet.
@West Yorkshire the symbol of the KKK is a burning cross, they believe that they're carrying out god's will, as did many NAZIS during the Holocaust, it's why so many people just went along with it...
To say religion isn't responsible for such atrocities, to at least some degree degree is a bit ignorant...
@@phillwithanf6698 Religion is not responsible. Horrible human beings are responsible, and will use any excuse to do terrible things, including religion, politics etc.
It's ok to be black
Right on! Its ok to be any colour or race.
NO ITS NOT!!! WHITE PEOPLE COMMITED ATROCITIES!!!
... oh, wrong one...
It is ok to be green.
It is. It's totally fine to be black. Same with being white or Asian or anything.
I agree, it is totally okay
BAME is the idea of strength in numbers, just like the LGBTQ. I wonder what letter will get added to either in the war on oppression next.
So what about gypsies/travellers? They are white but also an ethnic minority?
This aged well
Just had a job interview Panel asked me what would I do when person aproach me with BAME problem.
I left interview
I always thought "people of colour" was a slightly odd phrase. Like, using the phrase "coloured people" is obviously racist and backwards, but apparently it's actually progressive if you just switch the word order?
Personally I have very few qualms with the word BAME, but I can see that it is quite hypocritical. And I agree, context matters a lot.
Ive never known something about people as irrelevant as what colour their skin. Black white, the only people that actually care about colour are rasist themselves. You dont need to be hatefull rasist, Judging people based on colour is rasist.
Never heard of BAME. Also I'm a trend-setter and I don't use it, so don't worry - it wont catch on.
Technically white is a colour and the most inclusive one since when split up it's the colours of the rainbow.
If the colour of your skin and your lineage are the most important things about you, what does that say about the content of your character?
Tell that to all the racists
@@idontwanttohearitidont4792 They're not listening, they can't hear you over their entitlement.
BAME isn’t new though. When I was in uni over ten years ago we had a BAME representative.
All these terms basically add up to a roundabout way of saying "no straight white men"
I'd never even heard this until a few months ago when it was mentioned in the context of Covid, as in people in "BAME" communities are more likely to have worse disease outcomes.
I was like Wtf? Obviously not difficult to deduce the meaning, or make an educated guess as to what it stands for, but yet another of these stupid buzzphrases that everyone has to use nowadays.
Yes, 'BAME' is ridiculous, and 'coloured' is just archaic to the point of weirdness, especially given the way it was used in the apartheid system. As a black woman, I am more than happy with 'ethnic minority,' or the actual racial subgroup (black/Jewish/Chinese/mixed-race, etc), but that's just my opinion.
Acronyms or even more insulting.
Plus, they introduce an order. So even when you'll replace the word "people" with "WAB," you'll be able to find objectionable matters. For example, in BAME, why is Asian put second? What's wrong with ABME?
Can I start labelling myself a native?
I'm indigenous to these islands, my ancestors have lived here since before the North sea flooded the connection with the continent.
Then can I start labelling anyone else a colonizer? I like this linguistics game 👌🏼🤭
Well, yes, me too. However dont forget that those pesky homo sapiens crossed the land bridge and wiped out those nice Neanderthals who were here first!
What irks me most about that acronym is that 'Black' comes first. Black people aren't the largest minority community in the UK, they aren't even the second largest, they aren't even a single community!
Black, Asian, Minority, Ethnic...so we group colours and foreigners into an acronym and nobody in the liberal group notices, it's a bit racist XD. Interesting times we live in.
I'm black , not BAME
So please to see so many like minded people commenting here, I love you all guys! In fact I was so please someone said this out loud, it's very much what I thought right from the off when I first heard this awful term. Pigeonholing people does nothing to help and everything to divide. One love.
First time I agree with him lol
"BAME! I'm gonna live forever"
I found the song he was referencing, guys. It's called "Fame" and its by Irine Cara.
Wolfsschanze Music I had a feeling there would be a bunch of people thinking “what the hell’s he on about?”
Goodness me
I'm still waiting to see a "person of no colour." Apart from the title role in The Invisible Man, I feel they're a bit thin on the ground, narmean?
These bigots are trying to erase albino people
BAME was created because a group of people didn’t want to feel left out and wanted to be offended as well
Welcome to South East Asia, the place where there's no racist, discrimination, and accept all religions !!!!! The place that is full of incredible history and cultures !!!!!!!!!!
So true. Take a step deeper and it's another tool in the divide and rule text book
Labels are for tins of food
brilliant!
I love it! BAME. Next time I see another person I have never met nor have not been introduced to yet or for that matter not even heard of when they show up on my Facebook page in fix-it mode carrying the word BABE with the phrase - loosing your soul -- I'll just remember the word BAME while remembering the above delightful performance instead while ignoring the offer for me to be fixed!
"dark skinned Johnny foreigners"
I choked on my laugh.
Yes, is true: the real racists are the far left woke crowd.
The rest of us are just normal people who judge you by your character, not your race or gender or sexuality.
Glad this popped up Ive forgotten how brilliant you are.
I've met plenty of work people, but I've never met one that uses the word woke!
So by this logic, if I want to, I can exclude BAME from job advertisements. Awesome 'progress'.
Nice one for opening this up, BBC!
It's ok to be human. Some of my best friends are humans.
I thought we were all "coloured", just differently.
Being that black is the absence of colour and white is the presence of full colour, white people are people of colour.
I just got here to find out what "BAME" meant.
People used to be called “alien” back in the days where you have to go and register yourself with the local police in order to receive an alien certificate in U.K. They just changed the wording from Aliens to BAME.
I just think its funny that he adopted a West Country accent for the examples.
West Country people are usually portrayed as sheltered from much of the modern world, and a little bit backwards and nieve. But usually well-meaning.
Kinda like The Hobbits in LOTR.
Apparently BAME is also used to describe Poles, according to the casting of The Witcher's adaptation.
Suuuure.
But I like Bane, hes one of my favorite villains in DC.
I’ve only heard of this term today. Never heard of it beforehand
OH JONATHAN, DON'T BE SUCH A TEASE; I have my own acronmys, the most recent of which were STRIFE and LCM;
You can't tweet attitudes.
I suppose it does matter more. And don't call me Shirley
"BAME" is the worst racism word. black, asian, and other ethnic people has all diffrent culture, ethnic, history.
Don't categorized into simple words.
Yep, an interviewer asked the UK health secretary 'how many black people in the cabinet' (during the blm stuff) and he replied 'well, we have many BAME people and went on to list asians and stuff. Its as if Africans asian, Latinos etc are just one entire race apart from whites
Shades of Cumberbatch getting slaughtered because he was arguing for more opportunities for "coloured" actors ... context matters.
I am certainly not colorblind, as I believe that everyone is beautiful for their differences, but I do believe as @Harry Molyneux said that until we stop fixating on color of skin, or gender, or age, etc. we will always be divided.
HOW ABOUT THE MIXED KIDS???? HOW DO WE ADDRESS THEM......
This is great
I find it disturbing that people get more offended by the words used than the message. If you don't like a word people are using explain why instead of getting out the pitchforks and torches. I'm more of an old school gay man and the things I heard in my life is much worse than calling people by a word you don't approve of. People need to grow up. Being woke is just pointless posturing and virtue signalling.
How can Asians be a minority in the UK? We’re everywhere...
😂
It basically means anyone that isn’t white.
I'm here after a Fawlty Towers episode got cancelled, and oh boy... Even the Major looks nuanced and enlightened in comparison.
"No no no , these people aren't BAME. These are *BAME!* "
There, 'fixed' it. 🙄
This isn't stand-up, this is just a guy stating his opinions to an audience who agrees with him
so what's your definition of stand up? I would have though it's a comedic critique of a particular subject (?)
@@urbanwarrior3470 well like jokes, or funny stories for instance
This is just like a political rally, which I guess would be entertaining if you agree with it because it's enjoyable to hear people say what you believe
I'm aware 'jokes and funny stories' is quite a simplistic take on what stand up is. But he is simply stating an opinion in this clip that he knows the majority of his audience will agree with. The laughter isn't 'funny' laughter, it's 'agree' laughter.
I found BAME in the Labour manifesto, which by the way consisted entirely of .
"people of colour" is the new term for black and brown people. It is just one more idiotic American expression based on changing words rather than society. When I was growing up "coloured people" was a common phrase that is now considered offensive. But if you think about it "people of colour is simply a reworking of that phrase. It's also quite odd to say such and such of. We don't say I have hair of red, or people of paleness. It also implies that that pale people have no colour at all as if colour of any kind is some strange attribute not connected with "normal people". It's falsely sensitive and in the end based in the inability of white society to actually make any meaningful changes that will end its beliefs and practices based on notions of supremacy.