ایک بار تو میں نے سمجھنے اور علم حاصل کرنے کے لئے سنا۔ اور دوسری بار محض اردو زبان و حسن بیان، ندرت خیال اور فی البدیہہ قدرت کلام سے محظوظ ہونے کے لیے۔ سبحان اللہ۔
سبحان اللہ۔ عمیق نظر ہے آپ کی جو عوام و خواص کے لیئے بعید العقل ہے۔ اس قدر شائستہ الفاظ کا انتخاب کر کے آپ نے مجھے انگشت بہ دندان کر دیا۔ حیرت کے بحیرہ میں غوطہ زنی کرتے ہوئے آپ کے کمال کی جمالیات کو داد دینے کی جسارت ناساز کرتا ہوں۔ 🙂
@@Ahmad-wt3fb انگشت اگر دندان میں آہی گئ ہے تو پھر بسم اللہ کیجیے اور بحر حیرت میں ہچکولے کھاتے ہوے اپنے جذبات کے سیل رواں کو تھمانے کیلیے دندان مبارک کو جنبش دے ہی دیجیے، تاکہ آپ کی آتش شوق جو سینے میں بھڑک رہی ہے اسکو انگشت کے خون سے ٹھنڈک مل جاے،😂 ویسے جناب والا مجھے ایسے محسوس ہورہا ہے کہ اوپر کے کمنٹ میں انتہای دقیق اور خوبصورت الفاظ دیکھ کر آپکا قلم بے چین ہوگیا ہوگا کہ ضرور بہ ضرور یہاں اپنے دست ہنر کی کلا کاری رقم کی جانی چاہیے، 😂😂😂😂😂
غامدی صاحب آپ نے حضرت تھانوی رح کے علمی مقام کو ملحوظ رکھ کے واقعے کی جو صیح نوعیت بیان کی ہے وہ کوئی دیوبندی بھی بمشکل ہی کر پائیگا حیرت ہوتی ہے مجھے آپکی قادرالکلامی اور اعتدال پسندی پر دلمیں آپکی عزت مزید بڑھ گئی ہے سر ہم طالب علموں کو یہ سنہرے اصول سکھانے کا بہت بہت شکریہ سید شیراز حسن قاسمی
@@abdulwahid4994 محترم ! کس بات سے کس کی تائید ہو رہی ہے یہ طالبعلموں کا مسئلہ نہیں ہوتا طالب علم دلیل کے رسیا ہوتے ہیں ۔ وہ ہمیشہ بناۓ استدلال کو دیکھتے ہیں نا کہ شخصیات کو ۔۔۔۔۔
جناب ڈاکٹر جاوید احمد غامدی صاحب: آپ نے حضرت مولانا اشرف علی تھانوی رحمۃ اللّٰہ علیہ کی علمی حیثیت پر جسطرح روشنی ڈالی ہے قابل تحسین ھے۔ اللّٰہ پاک آپ کے درجات بلند فرمائے اور اکابرین علمائے حق پر حرف گیری کرنے والوں کو نور ھدایت نصیب فرمائے آمین یارب العالمین ۔
I am totally speechless. Is mudde pe bahut logon ne tanqeed ki hai but javed ghamidi sahab ne isko bilkul alag approach se saamne rakha...Ab ye masla bilkul saaf ho gaya....Allah javed ghamidi sahab ko jaza e khair de.
Ha bhai logo ne tankeed unke khudke perspective ko samne rakh kar ki hai.. Agar Ghamidi sahab bhi apne perspective ke jariye is baat ko samazne ki koshish karte to shayad unti hi sakht tankeed karte .. Per Ghamidi sahab ne Maulana ke perspective se is baat ko samazkar ise bayan karna chaha isliye puri baat itni asaani se khul gayi.
This talk clearly indicates the stature and intellectual level of Ghamidi Sb. He is a scholar par excellence and the first and most important indication of that is that Ghamidi Sb never speaks ill of any other person..Salute for Ghamidi Sb. Allah bless him.
میں ابھی سے یہ سوچ کے ڈر جاتا ہوں کہ غامدی صاحب کے بعد کوئی انسان نظر ہی نہیں آتا جو اس لیول کا علمی ذہن رکھتا ہو۔ اللہ تعالیٰ صحت و تندرستی اور لمبی زندگی عطاء فرمائے غامدی صاحب کو۔ آمین
شکریہ جاوید احمد غامدی صاحب ۔۔۔اپ نے مولانا اشرف علی تھانوی صاحب پر ایک بڑے اعتراض پر عوام کی راہ نمائی کی ھے۔۔۔جہلم کے ایک بازاری مولوی نے آسمان سر پر اٹھالیا ھے۔۔۔۔۔مولانا کی ایک کتاب بہشتی زیور نے اسلام کی جو خدمت کی ھے ۔۔اس کا اندازہ کوئ لگا نہیں سکتا ھے۔۔۔
واہ صاحب واہ اپنے مولوی کی بات آئ تو کسی کا بھی شکریہ اداکرنی شروع کردی اور بہشتی زیور نے جو خدمت کی تو بڑا اچھا لگا اگر یہی فتاوی رضویہ کے اعتبار سے بولا ہوتاتو خاموشی مقدر ہوتی
Jis aadmi ne sawal kiya tha usko kisi Arif Billah ne bisharat di thi ke uske yahan ek bahut nek bachcha paida hoga. Isliye wo kisi Arif Billah se bait hona chahte thay magar koi nahin mila..ek din ye khwab dekha ki Khwab mein ye kalima path rahain hain. Khwab ki taabeer badi azeeb hoti hai Mirza engineer jaise kadiyani Jaison ke baski bat nahin. Khwab mein jina karne par usko patthar se nahin mara jayega.bahar hal Hazrat Thanvi rs ne usko bata diya ki is ka matalab ye hai ki mein sunnat ka paaband hun aur unko bait kar liya.unke yahan ek ladka paida hua jo bahut bade aalim aur mufti huye.. Unhone Islam par 100 kitab likhin hsin unke Fatawa ka majmuaa ,8 volumes mein hai. Hats off to Ghamdi Sahab
I am an ahlulhadith & diffrences with both ghamidi sb & Thanvi sb but it is really appericiatable how ghamidi values the work & status of Ulama..the manners & respect distinguishes him from Jahil mirza.
@@TheIrshaadKhaan that awkward moment when you are so blind that you didn't even read Bakhtawar brother's first sentence where he said '...difference with both ghamidi sb & Thanvi'. 😂😂 Keep doing taqleed of Mirza Jehlumi, and do please get an eye checkup. 😌
koi sahabi bhi ager apnay naam k kalmay ko support kray ga to hum us ko bhi ni manay ga ..... Ashraf Thanvi to shai e koi ni.....Kalma Sirf Muhammad Saw Allah ka
chhokra apni iblees ki mazlis e shura academy me bethkar yahudio raafzio shiyo ka kam kr rha h chhokra kvi bakta h k quran me ambiya k namo se jada shaitan ka nam bayan huwa h kvi ye bakta h k sahaba ne fenti k dar se nabi ki mdad ko nhi gye jisme ye chhokra *hzrat abu bakar siddiq r anhu* ka v nam liya... kvi bakta h k jo v admi kisi sahabi ko kafir kahe hm use kafir nhi kahenge kvi bakta h k qadyani log islam ka ek firqa h...qadyani to kafir h fr kaise islami h hogya?? kvi bolta h k qadyanio ko hm kafir islye kahte h qk wolog hme kafir kahta h..agar qadyani hme kafir kahna chhor de to hm v unhe kafir nhi kahenge.. kvi bakta h k nabi pak ne *hzrat ali r anhu* se kaha tha k *hzrat aisha r anha* tere mamle me zalima hogi halaki ye alfaaz hadees me h hi nhi lekin ye chhokra *nabi pak* pr jhuth bola aur sbko hadees malum h k jo nabi pr jhuth bandhega uska thikana jahannam h garz k lakho gumrahkun bate ye chhokra bakte rhta h jo uske videos me maujud h lekin fir v log qqq usko apna baba bnakar baabi bna huwa ar munafiqat me laga huwa h??
جاوید احمد غامدی صاحب کی حلیم طبیعت اور بہت آرام دہ انداز ہمیشہ سے دل کو بھاتا ہے۔ جس انداز سے بات کرتے اور سمجھاتے ہیں دل کرتا ہے ہمیں بھی اللہ ایسا انداز عطا فرما دے ۔۔۔۔
ماشاء اللہ آپ نے بڑے اچھے انداز میں حضرت اشرف علی تھانوی نور اللہ مرقدہ کی طرف منسوب باتوں کو آپ نے اچھے طریقے سے سمجھایا ہے ۔اور یہ صحیح بات ہے کہ جب تک انسان یہ نہ سمجھے کہ کون سی بات کس انداز میں کس موقع پر کس مناسبت میں کہی گئی ہے جب تک اس بات کا جواب صحیح طریقے سے سمجھ میں نہیں آئے گا
ماشاءاللّٰہ۔۔کیا عالمانہ اور حکیمانہ طرز استدلال ہے۔اختلاف رائے کے باوجود دوسرے متبحر علماء کرام کی متنازعہ تحریرات و بیانات کو مثبت انداز میں لینا بہت دل گردے کا کام ہے جو بد قسمتی سے اس فرقہ ورانہ دور اور ماحول میں قریب قریب ناپید ہوچکا۔اگر جناب غامدی صاحب کے بیان کردہ اصولوں کو ملحوظ رکھا جائے تو بہت سے علمی تنازعات سے بچا جا سکتاہے۔لیکن اس کے لیے فرقہ ورانہ ماحول اور فضا سے نکلنا ہوگا۔۔مجھ سمیت جو لوگ بھی جناب غامدی صاحب سے اختلاف رائے رکھتے ہیں انھیں بھی یہ مذکورہ اصول یاد رکھنا چاہیے۔۔آخری بات یہ کہ مرزا انجینئر جس طرح ان عبارات کو بنیاد بناکر اکابرین علماء کی پگڑی اچھالتا ہے اس کی بھی اصلاح ہونی چاہیے اور جو سادہ لوح اور قدرے کم علم نوجوان مختلف حوالوں سے اس کے ہتھے چڑھ گئے ہیں انھیں بھی غور وفکر کرکے مزید گمراییوں اور بے اعتدالیوں سے بچنا چاہیے۔۔جزاکم اللّٰہ خیرا۔
غامدی صاحب بہت عمدہ گفتگو ہے آپکی جزاک اللہ یہ ایک خواب تھا اور خواب دیکھنے والا مولاناتھانوی کا مرید بھی نہیں تھا خواب کی تعبیر بھی یہ ہے کہ تم جس شیخ سے وابستہ ہو وہ متبع سنت ہے
Its nothing less than height of excellence by a common man. The study, wisdom and knowledge how make difference in life, this is perfect example! Thankyou very much Sir!
بہت ہی مفصل اور سہل انداز میں بات سمجھائی. اس مسئلے پہ علماء دیو بند اور اہل حدیث کتنے ہی گرماگرم مناظرے کرچکے ہیں کہ جن میں نوبت ہاتھاپائی تک بھی پہنچ گئی ہے.میرے خیال میں یہ کلپ اس بحث کی تناظر میں آئندہ بھی انتہائی اہمیت کا حامل رہے گا اور بطور حوالہ اس کی بازگشت سنائی دیتی رہے گی. اللہ تعالی غامدی صاحب کو سلامت رکھے 💕 اور باقی علماء کو بھی توفیق دے کہ وہ بھی مسائل عامہ ہوں یا دیگر اختلافات..... ایسے ہی ٹھنڈے لب و لہجے میں بیان کیا کریں.
This is the exact problem he is addressing and people think he should only answer In black and white. Because They think mirza g is the first person’s to talk about this and it’s simple matter
اللّہ رب العزت جنابِ غامدی صاحب کو اپنے فضل وکرم اور رحم سے نوازے ، بلاشبہ وہ موضوعِ تصوف کے بڑے ناقدین میں شمار کیئے جانے کے باوجود تصوّف وسلوک کی جڑ کو بیان کرنے اور طریقت کے اصول و ضوابط کو اعلیٰ درجے میں انتہائی سادگی و خوش اسلوبی کے ساتھ بیان کرنے میں جس طرح کامیاب دکھائی دیتے ہیں یہ انہی کا خاصہ ہے۔ جزاک اللّہ خیراً کثیرا ۔
اللہ تعالیٰ کا لاکھ لاکھ شکر ہے کہ اُس نے اِس دور میں ہمیں غامدی صاحب جیسا عالم، محقق اور مفکر عطا کیا ۔ کیا دلنشین انداز گفتگو ہے۔ علمی اختلافات کے باوجود اکابرین کا حد درجہ احترام اور اکابرین کے خیالات کو ان کے مقام پر بیٹھ کر سمجھنا اور جانچنا، یہ چیز غامدی صاحب کے سوا کسی اور میں نظر نہیں آتی اس دور میں۔ کسی عالم نے سمجھنا ہو کہ تنقید کیسے کی جاتی ہے تو غامدی صاحب سے سمجھے۔ غامدی صاحب کے کردار و گفتار سے ایک اور بات جو واضح ہوتی ہے وہ یہ کہ جو اصل میں علم اور کتاب پر یقین رکھنے والے اور اس کو سمجھنے والے ہیں وہ کبھی "علمی اور کتابی" ہونے کا ڈھنڈورا نیں پیٹتے ۔ بلکہ ان کو سننے والے اور ان کے کردار کو چانچنے والے خود بے ساختہ کہہ اٹھتے ہیں کہ یہ شخص عالِم ہے اور جو کچھ کہتا ہے یہ تو وہی ہے جو سراسر کتاب (قران) میں ہے۔ اللہ تعالیٰ غامدی صاحب کو صحت اور درازی عمر عطا فرمائے۔ امت کی اصلاح کے لیے ان کی بہت زیادہ ضرورت ہے۔ ان کی ہر گفتگو سننے کے بعد دل میں ان کا احترام اور مقام بڑھ جاتا ہے۔ (قارئین یہ مت سمجھیں کہ شاید میں تھانوی صاحب کا کوئی معتقد ہوں۔ میرا تعلق بریلوی مسلک سے ہے لیکن میں تمام مکتبہ ہائے فکر کے اکابرین کو سنتا پڑھتا ہوں اور ان کا حد درجہ احترام کرتا ہوں)
عملی اسلام غامدی صاحب کی شخصیت میں مجسم ظاہر ہے، کیا ہی شاندار طریقہ کار ہے کسی مسئلہ کو سمجھنے، جانچنے کا اور پھر اس کو سمجھانے کا، بہترین اخلاق، بہترین زاویہ نظر، ماشاءاللہ، میں خوش قسمت ہوں کہ میں عہد غامدی میں زندہ ہوں۔ پروردگار مرشد استاذ کو عمر خضر عطا کرے۔۔۔ آمین ثم آمین
Well said.people are questioning ghamidi sahab, but all of the answers of those questions are already in the vdo. its funny because they didn’t understand the deep analysis ghamidi sahab did in this vdo, thats why i would suggest everyone to watch this vdo several times.
@@AP-oc8iy kon si 9 saal wali sunnat hazrat ayisha (ra) ka jab shadi hua to unki umar 16 saal thi aur 19 saal me rukhsati hui. 9 saal wali hadis ko hum sahih nehi mante agar che wo bukhari me he. Lekin aur bohot sari hadis or haqiqi tarikhi waqiyat ke khilaf wo hadis jati he isi liye hum usko sahih nhi mante.16 aur 19 saal is the authentic opinion.
Haha. That made me chuckle. I would appreciate the the fact most people just skim off something non-skimmable. Ghamidi is a thing to listen when you have no distraction.
@Dawah for Deen no but calling Ghamidi sb a "Jaahil" in an emotional way, is contradicting to what he really is. Ghamidi is well read so how can he be jahil.
We are lucky to have such a jem of a man who never speaks ill of others in the whole of Islamic world or those who understand or speak urdu. He clearly explains how to be critical of great scholars with respect if at all you want to address any mistakes in them.
ایسی باتیں کہنے اور لکھنے کی وجہ پر بھی نظر ڈالیں ایسی باتیں صرف دیوبندی علماء نے کی ہیں نماز میں نبی کا خیال آجائے تو نماز فاسد اگر گائے گدہے کا خیال آئے تو نماز صحیح الله ہر چیز پر قدرت رکھتا ہے اس لئے وہ جھوٹ بھی بول سکتا ہے غیبت بھی کر سکتا ہے نبی کو دیوار کے پیچھے کی بھی خبر نہیں ہوتی ایسی باتیں انھوں نے انگریزوں سے وظیفہ لے کر لکھی ہیں سب نے اعتراف کیا ہے انگریزوں سے پیسے کھانے کا
Fantastic. Excellent explanation. The way he dissected this topic through other person's perspective is truly appealing. God bless you sir. We're blessed by him through your wisdom.
The best scholar in the Muslim world right now. He has a lot of clarity of thought and consideration. That's what makes Ghamidi sir unique and inspiring. Hats off to you Ghamidi sir and lots of love from Kashmir, India. May Allah bless you!
بہت عمدہ طریقہ سے عام آدمی کو سمجھایا گیا ہے ، اور اہل علم کو توجہ بھی دلائی ہے کہ کسی پر تنقید کے اصول کیا ہے ، فتوی سے متعلق احتیاط کا اصل پہلو بھی سامنے رکھ دیا
I can't agree with the explanation he has given but I always respect him for his manners (adab) which most of scholars are lacking. Ghamidi sb on another level
See the etiquette of this unique gentleman. Truely Inspiring and worth following! Kaash ye zarf paida kernay ki koshish humaray ehl e ilm or ulma bhi kerain.
Maulana Wahiduddin khan ke Baad Agar kisi ko islami thinkers kaha Ja sakta h to wah Aap ki شخصیت hai masha allah.. ALLAH PAK Aap ko Lambi umar Ataa kre Aur Ham sabko Din par sabit Qadam Rakhe Aur Islam pe khatma Ataa kare Aameen ya Rabbal Aalameen
غامدی صاحب کو میں تیس سال سے سنتا اور پڑھتا رھا ھوں ، بلکہ ۱۹۹۳ میں تو ان سے دو بار بالمشافہ ملاقات کرچکا ھوں ، پہلی بار اس وی لاگ میں وہ مجھے بہت ھی کمزور زمین پر کھڑے نظر آے ان شاگرد رشید اور داماد کی اپنے ابا وا اجدااد سے محبت جاگی اور اس نے انھیں الجھا دیا -
جو بات صریح کفر ھو ، اس کی اس طرح کی توجیج تو تھانووی کے مرید بھی کرنے کی ھمت نہ کر سکے غامدی نے منطق کے زور ہر وکالت کرنے کی ناکام کوشش کی ھے - اس طرح کا کفریہ عقیدہ دین تصوف کے شیخ اکبر ابن عربی کا ھے اور اس کے رد عمل میں امام تیمیہ نے ردعمل میں اللہ کو ذات الہی کو ھاتھ کی چھڑی اور جیب کی گھڑی بنادیا استرفراللہ ، نعوذ باللہ ،
I'm speechless and have no words to describe the level of Ghamdi sb❤❤If we listen these types of scholors then Allah Almighty will produce intellectual thoughts and thinking.
I really hope one day all ulama’s will have tolerance and patience like Ghamidi sahab. Jis din yeh hogya us din koi bi firqawariat ke naam par khoon kharaba nahi hoga
Ab iske jawab me engineer ali mirza sahab ka video zaroor aaega kyunki unhone hi is mudde ko sabse zyada ucchaala hai.....Pure pure dedicated videos hain unke is masle par....But ghamidi sahab ne lajawab kar dia
Muhammad ali mirza is a tutor of under matric. His foundations are correct but sometime explaination is blown out of propotion. Ghamdi is for post doctorate scholars.
@@DwindlingLamp haha logo ne baatein maan bhi li hai bhai, utne logo ne maan li hai jitne logo ko manwane ka tasawwur bhi nahi kar sakte ghamidi sa'ab!
@@DwindlingLamp گند کرنا برائی ہے یا گند کی نشان دہی کرنا جنکو سمجھ نہیں آتی وہ انجینئر کی بات سے اتفاق نہیں کرتے اور دل نشین انداز کے باوجود لوگ غامدی صاحب سے بھی اتفاق نہیں کرتے۔ انجینئر اُن باتوں کی طرف توجہ دلاتا ہے جنکو ایک مسلک دوسرے کی خامی یا گمراہی کہتا ہے جبکہ وہ ہی بات اپنے اقابر سے سرزد ہو تو اُسکا دفاع کرتا ہے
ماشاءاللہ بہت خوب مفتی شیخ جاوید غامدی صاحب وسیع القلب عالم دین ھے توسع رکھتے ھے اور اپکا علم بھت گہرا ھے ۔۔۔اللہ پاک مزید ترقی عطاء فرمائے اور صحت و تندرستی عطاء فرمائے آمین 🤲🤲🤲🤲
The one thing that we must learn from Ghamdi Saheb is "Adab" or manners and how to critique or express difference of opinion (irrespective of whether you disagree or agree with his opinions) خذ الحلم قبل العلم
ڈاکٹر صاحب ! آپ نے حضرت تھانوی رحمۃ اللہ علیہ کے خواب کی تعبیر کی وضاحت فرما کر بہت سارے لوگوں کو بدگمانی اور بہتان تراشیوں سے بچا لیا ھے۔ جزاکاللہ خیر !
Beautifully explained…. we should not fall for everything someone might say about anyone let alone to say anything negative about the like of maulana Ashraf Ali Thanavi….may Allah have mercy on his soul.
kalima pdhwana tohmat h *hakimul ummat hazrat molana ashraf ali thanwi rahmatullah alaih* pr... aur tohmate lagane walo ko qyamat k din *Allah pak* k samne sabit krna pdega aur jbtak sabit nhi kr dega tbtk *hadees* k mutabiq *jahannam* se kese niklega?? na hzrat thanwi rahmatullah alaih ne kalima pdhwaya tha na hi khaab dekhne wale ko kaha tha k tumne jo khaab dekha h waisa hi asal jindagi me duhrate rho...agar hzrat thanwi rahmatullah alaih kalima pdhwate the to ek v admi q nhi milta aisa jo aisa najayz kalima pdhta ho?? na hi hzrat thanwi rahmatullah alaih ki dusri kisi kitab me iska jikr milta h na hi unke bayanaat me milta h...gulam ahmad qadyani kafir ne nabuwat ka dawa kiya... engineer kahi dikha de k hzrat thanwi ne kvi nabuwat ka dawa kiya...agar dawa nhi kiya to kalima kaha se aagyaa?? engineer kaise itna jhutha hoskta h k saf saf bol rha h kalima pdhwaya tha... kyamat me ye engineer kaise sabit krega??
Gamdhi is beating around the bush. That dream is dangerous.(elevating Ashraf ali to the level of Rasul). This dream is, sort of, Kufuri dream. That's all.
میں تو پہلے ہی استاد غامدی صاحب کا بہت بڑا فین ہوں اور اس کی سب سے بڑی وجہ ان کی دین اور دین کو سمجھنے کے بارے میں اپروچ ہے۔ ان کا حسنِ اخلاق لاجواب ہے اور صرف یہی ایک وجہ بھی ان سے متاثر ہونے کے لئے کافی ہے کیونکہ یہ رسولِ کریم صلی اللّٰہ علیہ وسلم کی سب سے بڑی صفت تھی جو مجھے کسی اور عالم دین میں نظر نہیں آئی۔ اللّٰہ تعالٰی غامدی صاحب کو ایمان، صحت اور خوشیوں بھری لمبی زندگی عطا فرمائے اور انہیں آخری دم تک دین کی خدمت کا یہ مشن جاری رکھنے کی توفیق عطا فرمائے۔ آمین
Assalam alaikum Mashallah kya khoob samjhaya Ghamidi.sb ne. Allah umr aur sehat mein barkat de taki ham jaise log istifafa karte rahen. Amin ya Rabbal Alamin Eid Mubarak
I salute Janab Javed ghamdi Shab ke Aap ne Maulana Ashraf Ali thanvi Sahab ke Bare mein bahut hi umda aur nafees urdu mein Samjhaya Allah Aap ko umrdraz kare aur sehat atta farmaye.❤❤❤❤
I have gone through most of the comments by fellow muslims in Ghamdi Sahib’s explanation of remarks about one of the great muslim scholars of Sub Continent Ashraf Ali Thanvi Sahib! I was delighted to note that a large educated majority of educated class appreciates Ghamdi Sahib and his manner of explanations besude his Islamic thought! That is the way we as muslims must conduct ourselves in every field particularly the religion ! When Quran says O muslims you are brothers in religion then why we behave the otherway! This behaviour has fractured the muslim unity so much that today non muslims, contrary to what Allaah SWT says, dictate us how to follow religion and how not to follow certain injunctions of Islam ! That is height of weakness induced in Ummah because of “ Taffarqa”! Unfortunately we commoners fight on those aspects of religion which are beyond our domain and based on those we confer “ kufr” on others! This attitude certainly needs redressal by all elders if we have to live a united ummah inspite of differences of fiqh, interpretations, translations etc! May Allaah SWT grant us wisdom and drpth! Aameeen
Khan Sb. there is a lot of difference and ambiguity In Islamic literature. More so prediction of variety of Firqas in the Umma. Then how does unity seem possible? Doesn't it tantamount to live in fool's paradise?
My dear brother there is no ambiguity in Quran and Sunnah! There are hardly any differences on basic tenets of Islam ! Ambiguity / differences comes in when we go to Ahadis, Tafasir, Translations etc particularly on topics which are deep knowledge and which may not be known to common muslims! When Quran says “ do not fracture unity” then it is Quranic injunction and a Farz! This must be realised ! As of 72/73 firqas it appears a concocted story ! No leader will ever say such thing in his life time least of all the Prophet PBUH!
You need to learn the definition of Firqa 28 Feb 2020 Juma Bayan: Definition of Firqa/Sect, Firqa Wariyat, & Basis of Aqeedah (Quran & Sunnah) th-cam.com/video/TzutxJgCZ8g/w-d-xo.html
i don't this person but he is so intellectual and knowledgeable personality.. no aalim has ever imagined and explained this issue so well and detailed....
I also used to listen engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza but he is not unfortunately focused on islah of people like ghamidi. Sab rather he is focused on creating his own following and firqa sowing more seeds of discords among people.
Engineer md ali mirza is a connoisseur and many times he is correct in his analysis but ghamdi sb is a man of extraordinary intellect and creative knowledge apart from many other ulemas and socalle
He is no connoisseur he is an ordinary engineer whose communique skills are good, so he is popular among ordinary people who mostly have low IQ. Ghamidi sab has an extraordinary IQ level which makes him difficult for people to understand him. what I have said is just my OPINION.
غامدی صاحب کو اللہ تعالیٰ بہترین بدلہ عطا فرمائے انھوں نے عصر حاضر کے ذہین اور تعلیم یافتہ افراد کے دل و دماغ سے تشکیک و الحاد کے کانٹے جس خوبصورتی سے نکالے ہیں اور سائنسی علوم کے نتیجے میں پیدا ہونے والے تمام وساوس کو جس طرح قوی دلائل و استدلال سے دور کیا ہے وہ صرف انھیں کا حصہ ہے مولانا مودودی رحمت اللہ علیہ کے بعد یہ عظیم الشان کام آپ ہی کے حصے میں آیا ہے خدا کی قسم میں ان تمام جلیل القدر علماء کرام سے شدید بیزاری بلکہ نفرت کا شکار ہو گیا تھا لیکن آج... دین کی صوفیا نا تعبیرات... کی حقیقت سمجھنے کے بعد میرا موقف بہت کچھ بدل گیا ہے، فکری اہتزاز پر سکون ہو گئے ہیں اور ان بزرگوں سے بے شمار اختلافات کے باوجود ان کی عزت وقدر دل میں محسوس کر رہا ہوں اللہ تعالیٰ غامدی صاحب کا سایہ تا دیر قائم رکھے، ان کا فیض عام فرمائے اور دونوں جہانوں میں ان کو بہترین اجر عطا فرمائے..... آمین
I listened this clip thricely as usually I do always to understand Ustaad e Mohtaram. Ustaad e Mohtaram has concluded the topic according to the taste of Molana Ashraf Ali Than I as he was a great Sufi. Ustaad Mohtaram has analysed it in a logical manner. May Allah bless h with sound health!
Salam sir allah ki rehmaten aap par sari insaniyat k lie is dor mai buhot bara inaam hainaap sir kya aala tareen wasahat ki hai aap nai yeh aik buhot bara masala hal kiya aap nai subhan allah allah aap salamati k sath rakhen aap par❤🤲from abu dhabi
IMPORTANT: Some comments here point to the fact that, "this wasn't just a dream". True, but that is where people like Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza have faltered. Yes, that person had narrated both his dream and post-dream experiences to Maulana Thanvi. But why are certain crucial details of the description of his condition on waking up ignored? Because those interested in targeting Maulana Thanvi do not want to admit that the person writing to him, throughout his dream and post-dream experiences, fell in the legal category of 'masloob-ul-ikhtiyar' (i.e. one in a state of duress). At the beginning of his letter to Maulana Thanvi, he clearly informs him that, (a) "huzoor kay aur banday kay etaqadaat bilkul aik hain" and (b) "huzoor ki tasneef chund kitaabain zayr-e-mutaalia rahi hain jin main say 'Bahishti Zewar' to hirz-e-jaan hai". In the opening chapter of 'Bahishti Zewar', Maulana Thanvi clearly states the essential Islamic doctrine of Finality of Prophethood. So this person narrates that even in his dream when he mentioned Maulana Thanvi's name in the Kalima, "dil kay andar khyaal paida hua keh tujhay ghalti hui kalima shareef kay parrhnay main, isko sahih parrhna chayhay ... mujh ko iss baat ka ilm hai keh iss terhan darust nahi, laykin bay-ikhtiyaar zubaan say yahi kalima nikalta hai". Before waking up, towards the end of the dream, he sees himself collapsing on the floor and feels that "mairay andar koi taaqat baaqi nahi rahi, itnay main banda khwaab say baydaar ho gya *laykin badan main badastoor bay-hisi thi aur woh asr-e-na-taaqati badastoor tha*". Now awake, but stuck in this continuing state of "bay-hisi" and "na-taaqati", he makes more failed attempts to read the Kalima correctly - while clearly mentioning that "abb bay-daar hun khwaab nahi, laykin bay-ikhtiyaar hun mujboor hun, zubaan apnay qaabu main nahi". Hence, his avowed correct belief, and repeated claims that he lacked 'ikhtiyaar' and remained in a state of duress throughout his dream and post-dream experiences - left no reason for Maulana Thanvi to reprimand him. Allah the Exalted says in the Qur'an, "Whoever rejects his faith in Allah after having believed in Him - not the one who is compelled (to utter a word of disbelief) under duress while his heart is at peace with Faith, but the one who has laid his breast wide open for disbelief - upon such people is the wrath of Allah, and for them there is a heavy punishment" (16: 106). Like many classical scholars, the famous 8th century A.H. (14th century A.D.) scholar Allamah Ibn al-Qayyim gave this verdict: "The one who studies the sources of sharee‘ah will realize that the Lawgiver disregarded words that were not meant as said by the one who uttered them; rather he uttered them unintentionally, as in the case of one who is sleeping, or forgot, or was intoxicated, or was ignorant, or was compelled, or made a mistake as a result of extreme joy or anger or sickness, and the like" (I‘laam al-Muwaqqi‘een, 3/78). Therefore, all those who have maligned Maulana Thanvi, or other ulama and sufis on similar grounds, should repent and seek forgiveness from Allah, and they should also admit their mistakes at the forums/gatherings where they have maligned those servants of Islam. May the Almighty grant all transgressors the taufeeq to mend their ways and make amends, amen.
So basically you are saying that the person who wrote the letter wasn't in a normal condition he doesn't had the 'ikhtiyaar' on the words which he was uttering ... All of your references support him ... And thats TRUE ... Nobody can counter that cuz these are facts ... But the point is Nobody blames him ... People blame Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi for his wrong Tabeer of the experience that man had ... And its alright ... Maulana clearly made a mistake here ... So why can't people just accept the fact that it was a very very wrong and serious tabeer ... Just accept it and move on ... Nobody says nothing about that man who had this bad experience ... The bigger picture of the Problem is :- people can't really turn their heads around the fact that their religious elders can make mistakes too and when they do their followers not only are unable to accept it but worse, they try to defend them like you are doing ... Everything you are saying is defending that person who wrote the letter ... But not single reference can defend Maulana Sahab ... Becoz clearly it was a wrong tabeer ... But it doesn't mean all of his good deeds vanishes suddenly with one mistake ... And you also said something about Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza and people like him ... His point is simple don't follow anyone blindly ... Is it too much to ask ... He highlights these type of waqiyas just to make people understand that Big Buzurgs like Maulana Sahab can also make mistakes ... Nobody can be like Prophets (PBUT) ... Nobody is maasoom ... And Allah knows best ...
Bhai kyo ek ghalat baat ko defend kartay hain. Mureed ki halat theek nahi thi murshad tau hosh mein thay unko condemn karna chahiay tha na ke encourage.
(1) I'll say something about this remark on my comment, "Everything you are saying is defending that person who wrote the letter ... But not single reference can defend Maulana Sahab ... Becoz clearly it was a wrong tabeer". In the same lunar year (1336) and the same magazine (al-Imdaad), in the issue of Jumada al-Thaani, Maulana Thanvi had written this about his tabeer of that dream, "mujh ko iss per israar nahi, agar yeh khwaab shaitaani ho ya kisi marz-e damaaghi say naashi ho aur oski tabeer na ho yeh bhi mumkin hai". There was no encouragement by Maulana Thanvi even for harboring involuntary thoughts (let alone acting on them) which replaced our Prophet's name in the kalima with someone else's. As the quotations in my first comment here reveal, the person writing to Maulana Thanvi had undergone an experience that caused him extreme distress (he also wrote that he spent the next day crying - "riqqat rahi khoob roya"). Moreover, he had written to the Maulana, "huzoor kay aur banday kay etaqadaat bilkul aik hain" and "huzoor ki tasneef ... 'Bahishti Zewar' to hirz-e-jaan hai" (where Maulana Thanvi has clearly stated the essential Islamic doctrine of Finality of Prophethood). So in his short one line reply, Maulana Thanvi was mainly concerned about relieving that person's distress, "iss waaqa'y main *tasalli* thi keh jiss ki teref tum rujoo kertay ho voh ba'onehi ta'aala muttabay Sunnat hai" (this also goes to show that Maulana saw and presented himself as a muttabay/follower of the Sunnat of our blessed Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, nothing more). If Ali Mirza and his like-minded critics want to continue making fuss over it, so be it. (2) As for this remark on my comment, "Nobody is maasoom" - only some highly ignorant/deviant jaahil can consider ulama/sufis to be ma'soom. If we just consider the example of Maulana Thanvi, he used to have an on-going series of articles/notes published under the title 'Tarjih ar-Raajeh", where till his death in 1943, he had publicly corrected DOZENS of his mistakes. Unfortunately, Ali Mirza is on the path of the worst kind of manaazirs (who are found in all schools of thought). Unlike competent moderate God-fearing muftis, such manaazirs have exaggerated the mistakes of ulama/sufis they are opposed to. If Ali Mirza can unlearn these bad habits and dis-own his propaganda against stalwarts such as Mujaddid Alf-i Thani and Maulana Thanvi, he'll do himself and his undiscerning followers a huge favor (much has been written by moderate scholars about the valid interpretation of certain vague ideas espoused by such stalwarts). (3) I do NOT label myself as a 'Deobandi', 'Barelvi' or 'Salafi'/'Ahl-e-Hadith'. I simply adhere to the aqeedah texts (their matan, not their shurooh) taught in the madrasas of these schools of thought, which were written in the classical age of Islam (which can be extended to 7th century A.H.) and have been used for study all over the Muslim world for centuries (chiefly, the aqeedah texts by Imam Tahaawi and Imam Nasafi). In our sub-continent, highly learned ulama/sufis such as Allamah Pir Syed Meher Ali Shah (1859-1937), had a sound approach to dealing with scholarly differences in the Ummah. On the one hand, their insight and moderation allowed them to give verdicts on those differences based on the Qur'an, reliable hadiths and Ijma-e-Ummat; and on the other, they refrained from takfeer and tafseeq of ulama/sufis who had committed mistakes. The task of adjudicating in such matters cannot be left to extremist muftis, radical manaazirs and lay preachers like Ali Mirza. This reckless guy has the audacity to claim that when two leading ulama of 19th century India had a physical contact where one of them put his hand on the chest of the other (to gain barakah of his iman), they were having a homo-sexual encounter! And he presents the book by Maulana Thanvi which records such anecdotes, 'Arwaah-e-Thalaatha', as if it was some code of conduct for Muslims. Whereas, in the preface of that book Maulana Thanvi declared that he had been lax about his sources/narrators because the anecdotes presented there were not meant to establish any ruling of our Deen ("kisi hukm-e-Sharai ka madaar na honay kay sabab yeh muzir bhi nahi"). Whatever 'strange' anecdotes/experiences we modern day Muslims may find in the writings of pre-modern ulama and sufis (of the mainstream type), based on Qur'an and reliable hadiths they were absolutely clear about what was a matter of Deen/Shariah and what wasn't (and that is why they remain relevant and serve as interpretive authorities even now). However, every socio-cultural context has some peculiar epistemological features that result in ontological outlooks and lived experiences that are specific to that context. Anyone with a good academic background in humanities and social sciences would be appalled by the liberties that this engineer and other modernized Muslims have taken to castigate Muslim luminaries of the pre-modern age (and who try to emulate them now). Believe me, by using Ali Mirza's defective yardstick for measuring the credibility of our ulama and sufis, we won't just lose a host of stalwarts from our recent past - this recipe for destruction would also demolish the standing of muhadditheen of the classical era (who are the backbone of Ali Mirza’s ‘Ilmi-Kitaabi’ appraoch). For example, one can find strange anecdotes in 'Kitaab az-Zuhd' of Imam Abdullah ibn al-Mubaarak - his students were the teachers of Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim; and also in 'Hilyat al-Awliyaa' of Imam Abu Nu'aym - who was among the shuyookh of Imam al-Haakim and Imam al-Bayhaqi (Ali Mirza often quotes hadiths from Imam al-Haakim's al-Mustadrak, and also from Imam al-Bayhaqi's 'as-Sunan', 'Dalaa'il an-Nubuwwah' and 'Shuab-ul-Imaan'); and Imam al-Bayhaqi himself compiled numerous strange anecdotes in his multi-volume work 'az-Zuhd al-Kabeer'. LESSON: (a) along with sharing ghair mujtahid-fih teachings of the Qur'an and reliable hadiths, lay preachers like Ali Mirza should restrict themselves to only sharing/citing such writings of those Imams, ulama and sufis - where some ruling of Deen/Shariah was established; (b) without due psychological immersion in the life-worlds of pre-modern classical Imams, ulama and sufis, no one can even begin to understand their experiences and approach to life; (c) Non-ulama/sufis should never indulge in the exercise of judging whether or not some classical Imam or pre-modern aalim/sufi had erred in understanding and practicing some injunction of our Deen/Shariah - only competent and moderate ulama and sufis can undertake that task if needed; and (d) therefore, Ali Mirza's defective yardstick must be discarded!
(1) Now I'll say something about this remark on my first comment, "Bhai kyo ek ghalat baat ko defend kartay hain. Mureed ki halat theek nahi thi murshad tau hosh mein thay unko condemn karna chahiay tha na ke encourage." In my second comment here, I've already demonstrated that Maulana Thanvi had not encouraged the involuntary thoughts and actions of that mureed in any way; and it was totally pointless to condemn some involuntary occurrence. Though since those involuntary experiences had occurred, and were traumatic for that mureed, Maulana Thanvi simply tried to explain them away through a ta’beer that could give the distressed mureed some relief/‘tasalli’. Maulana's reply sufficiently reveals what his overriding concern was at that point in time. At the outset that mureed had told Maulana about his adherence to the teachings in his book Bahishti Zewar and that "huzoor kay aur banday kay etaqadaat bilkul aik hain". When that person found himself going against a core aqeedah mentioned by Maulana Thanvi in that book (Finality of Prophethood), even though his thoughts and actions were involuntary, he was deeply traumatized by them. My two previous comments have given quotations from his letter to Maulana that reveal how hurt and depressed he was owing to those involuntary mistakes (he spent the whole day crying). So considering that this mureed knew and adhered to the correct aqeedah, and was in a state of extreme distress due to his involuntary mistakes - Maulana decided to provide him with an interpretation of that experience that could give him tasalli, "iss waaqa'y main *tasalli* thi keh jiss ki teref tum rujoo kertay ho voh ba'onehi ta'aala muttabay Sunnat hai" (here Maulana was drawing on the sufi track of progress i.e. Fana fish-Shaykh -> Fana fir-Rasool -> Fana fil-(A)llah; keep in mind that the last stage of this track does NOT entail the physical fana/annihilation of a human being in the being of Allah, as Mujaddid Alf-i Thaani Imam Ahmed Sirhindi has clarified, this stage is achieved when a fully devoted believer annihilates his/her wishes in Allah's wishes (mardhiyaat); our Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam is the most perfect embodiment of that annihilation, from the start of his prophetic mission every Muslim is required to follow and emulate him in order to become Fana fil-(A)llah, after him a safe and speedy way of following and emulating him is to benefit from the mentoring of a kaamil shaykh who is fully 'muttabay Sunnat'). However, although at that juncture Maulana Thanvi gave a tabeer of that experience which could provide the mureed some 'tasalli', later in that very year (1336) and in the same magazine (al-Imdaad), he explained that the positive tabeer he had offered was merely based on his intuition/'wijdaan' and therefore wasn't meant to be taken as an interpretation that could not be invalid - indeed, as Maulana put it, the experience that person had undergone could've been influenced by shaitaan and hence may not even have any tabeer. Ali Mirza and his like-minded people tend to over-simplify and dumb down a complex discourse, and their low grade manaazraana temperament has shut the doors of empathy and understanding on them. (2) Fortunately, more than two decades ago I was able to shape my approach to such sensitive issues by giving due importance to two authentic hadiths. One of them carried a strong admonishment and is well known, "When a person calls his brother [in Islam] a disbeliever, one of them will certainly deserve the title. If the addressee is so as he has asserted, the disbelief of the man is confirmed, but if it is untrue, then it will revert to him!" (Sahih al-Bukhari, 6104; Sahih Muslim, 60a and 60b). The other hadith usually does not receive due attention, though it offers us the best model for dealing with cases where a Muslim ends up saying/writing something that has a controversial shade of meaning. One of the leading mujtahids among the sahaabah of our Prophet, Sayyedna Ubayy ibn Ka'b had developed some serious doubts about the iman of a fellow sahaabi. Sayyedna Ubayy had noticed that this sahaabi used to regularly travel all the way from his house on the outskirts of the city, to offer prayers at the Prophet's mosque in Medina. When Sayyedna Ubayy and other sahaaba discussed with him the hardships involved in his regular travel, that sahaabi replied, "by Allah, I do not like my house to be situated near the house of Muhammad!" Sayyedna Ubayy says, "I took [these words of his] ill and went to the Messenger of Allah and informed him" (perhaps that verse of the Qur'an had been revealed by then and contributed to Sayyedna Ubayy's suspicions about that sahaabi, "Among those around you of the wandering Arabs, there are hypocrites..." 9: 101). When the Prophet summoned that sahaabi, "he said exactly" what Sayyedna Ubayy had reported to the Prophet, but this time he added that the reason why he wanted to dwell far away from the Prophet's dwelling and the adjoining mosque was that "he wanted a reward for his steps [to the mosque]. Upon this the Messenger of Allah said: In fact for you is the reward which you expect!" (Sahih Muslim, 663c). Hence, the case was closed there and then! LESSON: (a) Even if the person who has developed suspicions about any statement made by a fellow Muslim is a scholar of the highest rank (a mujtahid mufti), following Sayyedna Ubayy he should not hasten to reach a conclusion and inform others about it - rather, at the very outset the matter should be referred to a large group of muftis who are considered to be outstanding in terms of their taqwa, competence and moderation (a group because after our Prophet's demise, no single person can command absolute religious authority); (b) the consulted group of muftis should summon the person whose utterances and/or writings have raised suspicions, and ask him about his intended meaning; (c) if the intended meaning disclosed by that person accords with his utterances/writings in question to a reasonable extent, then the suspicions hinting at controversial shades of meaning will be set aside and that person will stand honorably acquitted; and (d) the final lesson we can learn from this hadith is that to grant an honorable acquittal, no taubah will be demanded for saying/writing something that raised suspicions (though the acquitted person can be counselled to avoid using words / making statements that raise suspicions).
اللہ اکبر اتنی شان تو اس صاحب نے کبھی اللہ کے رسول کی بیان نہیں کی جس کا سر کبھی رسول پاپ نام لیتے نہیں خم نہیں ہوا وہ حکم ارشاد فرمارہے ہے کہ تھانوی کا نام لیتے سر جھکائیں واہ سوال تھا چنا اور جواب ایا غامزی
ایک بار تو میں نے سمجھنے اور علم حاصل کرنے کے لئے سنا۔ اور دوسری بار محض اردو زبان و حسن بیان، ندرت خیال اور فی البدیہہ قدرت کلام سے محظوظ ہونے کے لیے۔ سبحان اللہ۔
سبحان اللہ۔ عمیق نظر ہے آپ کی جو عوام و خواص کے لیئے بعید العقل ہے۔ اس قدر شائستہ الفاظ کا انتخاب کر کے آپ نے مجھے انگشت بہ دندان کر دیا۔ حیرت کے بحیرہ میں غوطہ زنی کرتے ہوئے آپ کے کمال کی جمالیات کو داد دینے کی جسارت ناساز کرتا ہوں۔ 🙂
@@Ahmad-wt3fb انگشت اگر دندان میں آہی گئ ہے تو پھر بسم اللہ کیجیے اور بحر حیرت میں ہچکولے کھاتے ہوے اپنے جذبات کے سیل رواں کو تھمانے کیلیے دندان مبارک کو جنبش دے ہی دیجیے، تاکہ آپ کی آتش شوق جو سینے میں بھڑک رہی ہے اسکو انگشت کے خون سے ٹھنڈک مل جاے،😂
ویسے جناب والا مجھے ایسے محسوس ہورہا ہے کہ اوپر کے کمنٹ میں انتہای دقیق اور خوبصورت الفاظ دیکھ کر آپکا قلم بے چین ہوگیا ہوگا کہ ضرور بہ ضرور یہاں اپنے دست ہنر کی کلا کاری رقم کی جانی چاہیے، 😂😂😂😂😂
@@mohdhamedhussain2202
خوب۔ تصنع نظر آ ہی جاتا ہے
Nafeeeeeeees bht aalaa
Mai bhi aksar zaban ki khoobsoorati ki wajha se bhi ghamdi sahab ko sunta hoon.
غامدی صاحب آپ نے حضرت تھانوی رح کے علمی مقام کو ملحوظ رکھ کے واقعے کی جو صیح نوعیت بیان کی ہے وہ کوئی دیوبندی بھی بمشکل ہی کر پائیگا
حیرت ہوتی ہے مجھے آپکی قادرالکلامی اور اعتدال پسندی پر
دلمیں آپکی عزت مزید بڑھ گئی ہے سر
ہم طالب علموں کو یہ سنہرے اصول سکھانے کا بہت بہت شکریہ
سید شیراز حسن قاسمی
Well said
مجھے آپ کے قاسمی ہونے پر حیرت ہورہی ہے ۔۔۔مجھے بہت افسوس ہے آپ جیسے حضرات بھی قاسمی کا لیبل لگا کر اپنا شوق پورا کر رہے ہیں
آپ کو کس بات پر اعتراض ہے بھائی ؟
غامدی صاحب کا خاصہ ہے بات کرنے کا
ان کی یہ بات کہنا کہ غلط بات کی ہے حکیم امت صاحب نے
بس یہی کافی ہے انجینئر صاحب کی تائید کا۔۔۔
باقی باتیں ثانوی ہیں
@@abdulwahid4994
محترم !
کس بات سے کس کی تائید ہو رہی ہے یہ طالبعلموں کا مسئلہ نہیں ہوتا
طالب علم دلیل کے رسیا ہوتے ہیں ۔ وہ ہمیشہ بناۓ استدلال کو دیکھتے ہیں نا کہ شخصیات کو ۔۔۔۔۔
بہت ہی عمدہ علمی جواب۔ انجینئر علی کی برہنہ تنقید سے ہم کافی متاثر ہو گئے تھے لیکن آپ کا احسان ہے کہ آپ نے ایک بڑی بدگمانی سے بچا لیا۔
Waisy engineer sahib k nazriyati Sy hamay boht iktilaf hy,
Magar shirkia aor kufria riwaj aor aqidat k khilaf unka Andaz bayan he ajj ki zarorat hy
Aik aur baat engineer sahb inhi bemaqsad ibarton ko use krr k Qadianion ko support krta hhh
Aur kuch ni
جناب ڈاکٹر جاوید احمد غامدی صاحب: آپ نے حضرت مولانا اشرف علی تھانوی رحمۃ اللّٰہ علیہ کی علمی حیثیت پر جسطرح روشنی ڈالی ہے قابل تحسین ھے۔
اللّٰہ پاک آپ کے درجات بلند فرمائے اور اکابرین علمائے حق پر حرف گیری کرنے والوں کو نور ھدایت نصیب فرمائے آمین یارب العالمین ۔
I am totally speechless.
Is mudde pe bahut logon ne tanqeed ki hai but javed ghamidi sahab ne isko bilkul alag approach se saamne rakha...Ab ye masla bilkul saaf ho gaya....Allah javed ghamidi sahab ko jaza e khair de.
Ha bhai logo ne tankeed unke khudke perspective ko samne rakh kar ki hai..
Agar Ghamidi sahab bhi apne perspective ke jariye is baat ko samazne ki koshish karte to shayad unti hi sakht tankeed karte ..
Per Ghamidi sahab ne Maulana ke perspective se is baat ko samazkar ise bayan karna chaha isliye puri baat itni asaani se khul gayi.
Khwab me Nehi hazrat wo Banda bedari mai padh raha tha
@@DwindlingLamp کیا تھانوی صاحب صوفی مسلک سے تعلق رکھتے تھے ۔
ماشاءاللہ ۔۔۔ کسی کو لاجواب کرنے اور مطمئن کرنے کا فرق غامدی صاحب کی گفتگو سے کیا جا سکتا ہے ۔۔۔ بہت خوب
اتنی لمبی گفتگو میں غامدی صاحب نے
مختصر سے سوال کا جواب دینے کی بجاے صرف مولانا اشرف علی کی علمی حیثیت کو اجاگر کرنے میں پورا زور لگا دیا.
This talk clearly indicates the stature and intellectual level of Ghamidi Sb. He is a scholar par excellence and the first and most important indication of that is that Ghamidi Sb never speaks ill of any other person..Salute for Ghamidi Sb. Allah bless him.
Subhan Allah!
غامدی صاحب سے ہزار اختلاف ۔۔۔لیکن انکا انداز بیان ،علمی سطح ۔کمال
میں ابھی سے یہ سوچ کے ڈر جاتا ہوں کہ غامدی صاحب کے بعد کوئی انسان نظر ہی نہیں آتا جو اس لیول کا علمی ذہن رکھتا ہو۔ اللہ تعالیٰ صحت و تندرستی اور لمبی زندگی عطاء فرمائے غامدی صاحب کو۔ آمین
السلام علیکم ورحمتہ اللہ وبرکاتہ!
سبحان اللہ! غامدی صاحب نے بڑے دلنشیں انداز میں اعتراض کا جواب دیا-
ایک من علم کے لئے دس من عقل چاہیے-
جی
شکریہ جاوید احمد غامدی صاحب ۔۔۔اپ نے مولانا اشرف علی تھانوی صاحب پر ایک بڑے اعتراض پر عوام کی راہ نمائی کی ھے۔۔۔جہلم کے ایک بازاری مولوی نے آسمان سر پر اٹھالیا ھے۔۔۔۔۔مولانا کی ایک کتاب بہشتی زیور نے اسلام کی جو خدمت کی ھے ۔۔اس کا اندازہ کوئ لگا نہیں سکتا ھے۔۔۔
واہ صاحب واہ اپنے مولوی کی بات آئ تو کسی کا بھی شکریہ اداکرنی شروع کردی اور بہشتی زیور نے جو خدمت کی تو بڑا اچھا لگا اگر یہی فتاوی رضویہ کے اعتبار سے بولا ہوتاتو خاموشی مقدر ہوتی
ماشاءاللہ ایک عظیم الشان شخصیت ہیں. اللہ عمر میں برکت عطا فرمائے آمین
Being a non believer I still watch and listen to this gentleman whenever I can. Kya baat hai Ghamidi sahib.
I invite you to read Quran translation
Where are you from? I really appreciate your taste.
Every souls has to taste the taste of death, May you will be believer then, InshAllah
Islam's introduction is that it's a message of oneness of God, nothing else. The rest are its extensions and commandments.
I listened this video two times but surely will listen it many times. It’s a lot deeper than you might think
Me too
Jis aadmi ne sawal kiya tha usko kisi Arif Billah ne bisharat di thi ke uske yahan ek bahut nek bachcha paida hoga. Isliye wo kisi Arif Billah se bait hona chahte thay magar koi nahin mila..ek din ye khwab dekha ki Khwab mein ye kalima path rahain hain. Khwab ki taabeer badi azeeb hoti hai Mirza engineer jaise kadiyani Jaison ke baski bat nahin. Khwab mein jina karne par usko patthar se nahin mara jayega.bahar hal Hazrat Thanvi rs ne usko bata diya ki is ka matalab ye hai ki mein sunnat ka paaband hun aur unko bait kar liya.unke yahan ek ladka paida hua jo bahut bade aalim aur mufti huye.. Unhone Islam par 100 kitab likhin hsin unke Fatawa ka majmuaa ,8 volumes mein hai. Hats off to Ghamdi Sahab
I have already listened to it thrice and counting....
ماشاءاللہ بہت عمدہ طریقے سے ساری بات بیان کردی غامدی صاحب نے
I am an ahlulhadith & diffrences with both ghamidi sb & Thanvi sb but it is really appericiatable how ghamidi values the work & status of Ulama..the manners & respect distinguishes him from Jahil mirza.
Ahle Hadith’s ko ghamidi ka sahara
Kyonki inko engineer sahab ne de mara 😂
@@TheIrshaadKhaan that awkward moment when you are so blind that you didn't even read Bakhtawar brother's first sentence where he said '...difference with both ghamidi sb & Thanvi'. 😂😂 Keep doing taqleed of Mirza Jehlumi, and do please get an eye checkup. 😌
koi sahabi bhi ager apnay naam k kalmay ko support kray ga to hum us ko bhi ni manay ga ..... Ashraf Thanvi to shai e koi ni.....Kalma Sirf Muhammad Saw Allah ka
Hahahahah la chari ki intihaa dekho Ahl e Hadith (Wahhabi) ab engr ko counter karne keliye ab Ghamidi sb ka bhi sahara lene lagay 😂😂
chhokra apni iblees ki mazlis e shura academy me bethkar yahudio raafzio shiyo ka kam kr rha h
chhokra kvi bakta h k quran me ambiya k namo se jada shaitan ka nam bayan huwa h
kvi ye bakta h k sahaba ne fenti k dar se nabi ki mdad ko nhi gye jisme ye chhokra *hzrat abu bakar siddiq r anhu* ka v nam liya...
kvi bakta h k jo v admi kisi sahabi ko kafir kahe hm use kafir nhi kahenge
kvi bakta h k qadyani log islam ka ek firqa h...qadyani to kafir h fr kaise islami h hogya??
kvi bolta h k qadyanio ko hm kafir islye kahte h qk wolog hme kafir kahta h..agar qadyani hme kafir kahna chhor de to hm v unhe kafir nhi kahenge..
kvi bakta h k nabi pak ne *hzrat ali r anhu* se kaha tha k *hzrat aisha r anha* tere mamle me zalima hogi halaki ye alfaaz hadees me h hi nhi lekin ye chhokra *nabi pak* pr jhuth bola aur sbko hadees malum h k jo nabi pr jhuth bandhega uska thikana jahannam h
garz k lakho gumrahkun bate ye chhokra bakte rhta h jo uske videos me maujud h lekin fir v log qqq usko apna baba bnakar baabi bna huwa ar munafiqat me laga huwa h??
جاوید احمد غامدی صاحب کی حلیم طبیعت اور بہت آرام دہ انداز ہمیشہ سے دل کو بھاتا ہے۔ جس انداز سے بات کرتے اور سمجھاتے ہیں دل کرتا ہے ہمیں بھی اللہ ایسا انداز عطا فرما دے ۔۔۔۔
ماشااللہ غامدی صاحب جیسے صدیوں میں پیدا ہونگے اللہ سے دعا ہے اللہ تعالیٰ غامدی صاحب کو صحت والی لمبی زندگی عطا فرمائے آمین
Ameen
آمین
Ameen
Apko alo pasand hai kay gobhi
آمین یارب العالمین
ماشاء اللہ آپ نے بڑے اچھے انداز میں حضرت اشرف علی تھانوی نور اللہ مرقدہ کی طرف منسوب باتوں کو آپ نے اچھے طریقے سے سمجھایا ہے ۔اور یہ صحیح بات ہے کہ جب تک انسان یہ نہ سمجھے کہ کون سی بات کس انداز میں کس موقع پر کس مناسبت میں کہی گئی ہے جب تک اس بات کا جواب صحیح طریقے سے سمجھ میں نہیں آئے گا
ماشاءاللّٰہ۔۔کیا عالمانہ اور حکیمانہ طرز استدلال ہے۔اختلاف رائے کے باوجود دوسرے متبحر علماء کرام کی متنازعہ تحریرات و بیانات کو مثبت انداز میں لینا بہت دل گردے کا کام ہے جو بد قسمتی سے اس فرقہ ورانہ دور اور ماحول میں قریب قریب ناپید ہوچکا۔اگر جناب غامدی صاحب کے بیان کردہ اصولوں کو ملحوظ رکھا جائے تو بہت سے علمی تنازعات سے بچا جا سکتاہے۔لیکن اس کے لیے فرقہ ورانہ ماحول اور فضا سے نکلنا ہوگا۔۔مجھ سمیت جو لوگ بھی جناب غامدی صاحب سے اختلاف رائے رکھتے ہیں انھیں بھی یہ مذکورہ اصول یاد رکھنا چاہیے۔۔آخری بات یہ کہ مرزا انجینئر جس طرح ان عبارات کو بنیاد بناکر اکابرین علماء کی پگڑی اچھالتا ہے اس کی بھی اصلاح ہونی چاہیے اور جو سادہ لوح اور قدرے کم علم نوجوان مختلف حوالوں سے اس کے ہتھے چڑھ گئے ہیں انھیں بھی غور وفکر کرکے مزید گمراییوں اور بے اعتدالیوں سے بچنا چاہیے۔۔جزاکم اللّٰہ خیرا۔
غامدی صاحب بہت عمدہ گفتگو ہے آپکی جزاک اللہ
یہ ایک خواب تھا اور خواب دیکھنے والا مولاناتھانوی کا مرید بھی نہیں تھا خواب کی تعبیر بھی یہ ہے کہ تم جس شیخ سے وابستہ ہو وہ متبع سنت ہے
Its nothing less than height of excellence by a common man. The study, wisdom and knowledge how make difference in life, this is perfect example!
Thankyou very much Sir!
بہت ہی مفصل اور سہل انداز میں بات سمجھائی. اس مسئلے پہ علماء دیو بند اور اہل حدیث کتنے ہی گرماگرم مناظرے کرچکے ہیں کہ جن میں نوبت ہاتھاپائی تک بھی پہنچ گئی ہے.میرے خیال میں یہ کلپ اس بحث کی تناظر میں آئندہ بھی انتہائی اہمیت کا حامل رہے گا اور بطور حوالہ اس کی بازگشت سنائی دیتی رہے گی.
اللہ تعالی غامدی صاحب کو سلامت رکھے 💕 اور باقی علماء کو بھی توفیق دے کہ وہ بھی مسائل عامہ ہوں یا دیگر اختلافات..... ایسے ہی ٹھنڈے لب و لہجے میں بیان کیا کریں.
This is the exact problem he is addressing and people think he should only answer In black and white. Because They think mirza g is the first person’s to talk about this and it’s simple matter
MASHA ALLAH, may ALLAH (SWT) grant Ghamidi sb a long and healthy life. Aameen.
اللّہ رب العزت جنابِ غامدی صاحب کو اپنے فضل وکرم اور رحم سے نوازے ، بلاشبہ وہ موضوعِ تصوف کے بڑے ناقدین میں شمار کیئے جانے کے باوجود تصوّف وسلوک کی جڑ کو بیان کرنے اور طریقت کے اصول و ضوابط کو اعلیٰ درجے میں انتہائی سادگی و خوش اسلوبی کے ساتھ بیان کرنے میں جس طرح کامیاب دکھائی دیتے ہیں یہ انہی کا خاصہ ہے۔
جزاک اللّہ خیراً کثیرا ۔
اللہ تعالیٰ کا لاکھ لاکھ شکر ہے کہ اُس نے اِس دور میں ہمیں غامدی صاحب جیسا عالم، محقق اور مفکر عطا کیا ۔ کیا دلنشین انداز گفتگو ہے۔ علمی اختلافات کے باوجود اکابرین کا حد درجہ احترام اور اکابرین کے خیالات کو ان کے مقام پر بیٹھ کر سمجھنا اور جانچنا، یہ چیز غامدی صاحب کے سوا کسی اور میں نظر نہیں آتی اس دور میں۔ کسی عالم نے سمجھنا ہو کہ تنقید کیسے کی جاتی ہے تو غامدی صاحب سے سمجھے۔ غامدی صاحب کے کردار و گفتار سے ایک اور بات جو واضح ہوتی ہے وہ یہ کہ جو اصل میں علم اور کتاب پر یقین رکھنے والے اور اس کو سمجھنے والے ہیں وہ کبھی "علمی اور کتابی" ہونے کا ڈھنڈورا نیں پیٹتے ۔ بلکہ ان کو سننے والے اور ان کے کردار کو چانچنے والے خود بے ساختہ کہہ اٹھتے ہیں کہ یہ شخص عالِم ہے اور جو کچھ کہتا ہے یہ تو وہی ہے جو سراسر کتاب (قران) میں ہے۔ اللہ تعالیٰ غامدی صاحب کو صحت اور درازی عمر عطا فرمائے۔ امت کی اصلاح کے لیے ان کی بہت زیادہ ضرورت ہے۔ ان کی ہر گفتگو سننے کے بعد دل میں ان کا احترام اور مقام بڑھ جاتا ہے۔ (قارئین یہ مت سمجھیں کہ شاید میں تھانوی صاحب کا کوئی معتقد ہوں۔ میرا تعلق بریلوی مسلک سے ہے لیکن میں تمام مکتبہ ہائے فکر کے اکابرین کو سنتا پڑھتا ہوں اور ان کا حد درجہ احترام کرتا ہوں)
عملی اسلام غامدی صاحب کی شخصیت میں مجسم ظاہر ہے، کیا ہی شاندار طریقہ کار ہے کسی مسئلہ کو سمجھنے، جانچنے کا اور پھر اس کو سمجھانے کا، بہترین اخلاق، بہترین زاویہ نظر، ماشاءاللہ، میں خوش قسمت ہوں کہ میں عہد غامدی میں زندہ ہوں۔ پروردگار مرشد استاذ کو عمر خضر عطا کرے۔۔۔ آمین ثم آمین
I think this video should b shown on national television every night. And those who are criticizing, should listen it 10 times to understand it.
Well said.people are questioning ghamidi sahab, but all of the answers of those questions are already in the vdo. its funny because they didn’t understand the deep analysis ghamidi sahab did in this vdo, thats why i would suggest everyone to watch this vdo several times.
@@Abdullah-nb5jx Aare yaar, koi isko pucho, jawab kiu nahi de ra.
Kya 9 sal wali sunnat ada kia aur gharwalo se kara liye?
Nahi, toh woh kafir hai.
@@AP-oc8iy kon si 9 saal wali sunnat hazrat ayisha (ra) ka jab shadi hua to unki umar 16 saal thi aur 19 saal me rukhsati hui. 9 saal wali hadis ko hum sahih nehi mante agar che wo bukhari me he. Lekin aur bohot sari hadis or haqiqi tarikhi waqiyat ke khilaf wo hadis jati he isi liye hum usko sahih nhi mante.16 aur 19 saal is the authentic opinion.
Haha. That made me chuckle. I would appreciate the the fact most people just skim off something non-skimmable. Ghamidi is a thing to listen when you have no distraction.
In a world full of Engr Muhammad Ali Mirza, be patient and wise like Ghamidi Sahab!
Well said
@Dawah for Deen is there any knowledge or thing to follow?
He is not more than a preacher of ambiguities and think he is final authority.
@Dawah for Deen no but calling Ghamidi sb a "Jaahil" in an emotional way, is contradicting to what he really is. Ghamidi is well read so how can he be jahil.
Ustad gamadi sahab is imam of this era ❤️
Yeh vedio alimirza ne dekha he kya
Koi batae
We are lucky to have such a jem of a man who never speaks ill of others in the whole of Islamic world or those who understand or speak urdu. He clearly explains how to be critical of great scholars with respect if at all you want to address any mistakes in them.
ایسی باتیں کہنے اور لکھنے کی وجہ پر بھی نظر ڈالیں ایسی باتیں صرف دیوبندی علماء نے کی ہیں نماز میں نبی کا خیال آجائے تو نماز فاسد اگر گائے گدہے کا خیال آئے تو نماز صحیح الله ہر چیز پر قدرت رکھتا ہے اس لئے وہ جھوٹ بھی بول سکتا ہے غیبت بھی کر سکتا ہے نبی کو دیوار کے پیچھے کی بھی خبر نہیں ہوتی
ایسی باتیں انھوں نے انگریزوں سے وظیفہ لے کر لکھی ہیں سب نے اعتراف کیا ہے انگریزوں سے پیسے کھانے کا
Fantastic. Excellent explanation. The way he dissected this topic through other person's perspective is truly appealing. God bless you sir. We're blessed by him through your wisdom.
Very much so
The best scholar in the Muslim world right now. He has a lot of clarity of thought and consideration. That's what makes Ghamidi sir unique and inspiring. Hats off to you Ghamidi sir and lots of love from Kashmir, India. May Allah bless you!
بہت عمدہ طریقہ سے عام آدمی کو سمجھایا گیا ہے ، اور اہل علم کو توجہ بھی دلائی ہے کہ کسی پر تنقید کے اصول کیا ہے ، فتوی سے متعلق احتیاط کا اصل پہلو بھی سامنے رکھ دیا
One word for Ghamdi Shb. He is a valuable asset of Islam at present time. MashaAllah
ماشاء اللہ غامدی صاحب، اللّٰہ تعالٰی آپ کو عمر خضر عطا فرمائے آمین
ماشاء اللہ بہترین وضاحت غامدی صاحب شکریہ جناب
جناب جاوید احمد غامدی صاحب ، آپ کا انداز گفتگو سب عالموں فاضلوں سے اوپر ھے ، اللہ تعالیٰ آپ کو صحت اور تندرستی عطا فرمائے آمین
I can't agree with the explanation he has given but I always respect him for his manners (adab) which most of scholars are lacking. Ghamidi sb on another level
Shaitan ko kam Ilam tha
Where do you disagree about the explanation exactly?
Ghamidi Sb Rejection of Correct Aqaid, Importance of Hadith Mutawatir in Aqeedah غامدی صاحب کے عقائد
th-cam.com/video/pQymHTskbVk/w-d-xo.html
Beautifully explained, while expressing the objection on methodology !!! Genius person
کیا ادراک ہے غامدی صاحب کا۔۔!
اللہ تعالی عمر دراز فرمائے ۔ آمین
جزاک اللہ- کیا خوبصورت بحث کی اور اگلا سوال تو بہت ہی شاندار ہے- آپ دونوں کو میری طرف سے سلام-
Kafi fazul or mantik or akal sy bala tr explanation hai . Kafi mehant lgti hai aisi be tuki explainations py b. So hats off to that effort
Hakeemul ummat hazrat Maulana Ashraf Thanvi rahimahullah ❤❤
Mujhe sabse zyada is baat ki khushi hai ke aapke subscribers badh rahe hain...Allah-hu-Akbar..
See the etiquette of this unique gentleman. Truely Inspiring and worth following!
Kaash ye zarf paida kernay ki koshish humaray ehl e ilm or ulma bhi kerain.
Maulana Wahiduddin khan ke Baad Agar kisi ko islami thinkers kaha Ja sakta h to wah Aap ki شخصیت hai masha allah..
ALLAH PAK Aap ko Lambi umar Ataa kre Aur Ham sabko Din par sabit Qadam Rakhe Aur Islam pe khatma Ataa kare Aameen ya Rabbal Aalameen
Search on TH-cam ‘Maulana Wahiduddin about Ghamidi’ and open the first video.
میں نے مولانا اشرف علی تھانوی کے ملفوظات کا مطالعہ کیا ہے کمال کا علمی خزانہ ہے صرف اور صرف مخالفت اور تعصب کی وجہ سے الزام لگایا گیا ہے
Imam ul Dahar..... ustad Imam Ghamidi .... Allah imam ko slamtiyan ata frmaye. Ameen
Imal ul dahar, agreed
تمام باتوں کی ایک بات ۔
کمال ہے بھائی کمال ہے۔
ماشاءاللہ
بہت ہی اچھی اور صاف ستھری وضاحت کی ہے۔
ماشاءاللہ بہت خوبصورت جواب دیا ہے بہت اچھے انداز سے بچائے اللہ تعالی عمر میں برکت نصیب فرمائے آمین
Mashallah itni imandaari se kise dosry ka muqafh rakh kar bayan kany wala nahi dakha
خواب کی بہترین تفہیم کہ رسول اللہ
ﷺ ہے مطلب یہ میں رسول کی تعلیم پر ہوں یعنی متبع سنت ہوں ۔
غامدی صاحب کو میں تیس سال سے سنتا اور پڑھتا رھا ھوں ، بلکہ ۱۹۹۳ میں تو ان سے دو بار بالمشافہ ملاقات کرچکا ھوں ، پہلی بار اس وی لاگ میں وہ مجھے بہت ھی کمزور زمین پر کھڑے نظر آے ان شاگرد رشید اور داماد کی اپنے ابا وا اجدااد سے محبت جاگی اور اس نے انھیں الجھا دیا -
Ap samja saktay hai?? Kis jaga kamzor hai
دیکھا جائے گا کہ کیا وہ بات درست کر رہے ہیں اگر درست ہے تو ان کے داماد کی کوشش کوئی اہمیت نہیں رکھتی
@ farooq khan. 💯 right. I felt exactly the same way.
جو بات صریح کفر ھو ، اس کی اس طرح کی توجیج تو تھانووی کے مرید بھی کرنے کی ھمت نہ کر سکے غامدی نے منطق کے زور ہر وکالت کرنے کی ناکام کوشش کی ھے - اس طرح کا کفریہ عقیدہ دین تصوف کے شیخ اکبر ابن عربی کا ھے اور اس کے رد عمل میں امام تیمیہ نے ردعمل میں اللہ کو ذات الہی کو ھاتھ کی چھڑی اور جیب کی گھڑی بنادیا استرفراللہ ، نعوذ باللہ ،
I'm speechless and have no words to describe the level of Ghamdi sb❤❤If we listen these types of scholors then Allah Almighty will produce intellectual thoughts and thinking.
I really hope one day all ulama’s will have tolerance and patience like Ghamidi sahab. Jis din yeh hogya us din koi bi firqawariat ke naam par khoon kharaba nahi hoga
ماشاء اللہ محترم غامدی صاحب آپ کی علمیت اور حق گوئی قابل داد ہے اللہ تعالیٰ آپ کو جزائے خیر عطا فرمائے آمین
Ab iske jawab me engineer ali mirza sahab ka video zaroor aaega kyunki unhone hi is mudde ko sabse zyada ucchaala hai.....Pure pure dedicated videos hain unke is masle par....But ghamidi sahab ne lajawab kar dia
Han bhai ye bas perspectives ki baat hai.
Sir ghamdi ni soofiyat ka defa nah kia , blki smjaya ha , ki elm ki dunya me tanqeed ka tareeqa kia hota ha .
Muhammad ali mirza is a tutor of under matric. His foundations are correct but sometime explaination is blown out of propotion.
Ghamdi is for post doctorate scholars.
@@DwindlingLamp haha logo ne baatein maan bhi li hai bhai, utne logo ne maan li hai jitne logo ko manwane ka tasawwur bhi nahi kar sakte ghamidi sa'ab!
@@DwindlingLamp گند کرنا برائی ہے یا گند کی نشان دہی کرنا
جنکو سمجھ نہیں آتی وہ انجینئر کی بات سے اتفاق نہیں کرتے
اور دل نشین انداز کے باوجود لوگ غامدی صاحب سے بھی
اتفاق نہیں کرتے۔
انجینئر اُن باتوں کی طرف توجہ دلاتا ہے
جنکو ایک مسلک دوسرے کی خامی یا گمراہی کہتا ہے
جبکہ وہ ہی بات اپنے اقابر سے سرزد ہو تو اُسکا دفاع کرتا ہے
ماشاءاللہ بہت خوب مفتی شیخ جاوید غامدی صاحب وسیع القلب عالم دین ھے توسع رکھتے ھے اور اپکا علم بھت گہرا ھے ۔۔۔اللہ پاک مزید ترقی عطاء فرمائے اور صحت و تندرستی عطاء فرمائے آمین 🤲🤲🤲🤲
The one thing that we must learn from Ghamdi Saheb is "Adab" or manners and how to critique or express difference of opinion (irrespective of whether you disagree or agree with his opinions)
خذ الحلم قبل العلم
Absolutely bhi
Very much so.
ماشاءاللہ ، اپنے منہج سے ہٹ کر خالص صوفیانہ فلسفہ کی بنیاد پر بہت ہی سادگی سے مسئلہ کی صراحت فرمائی..... اللہ سلامت رکھے..... آمین
The great ustad mohtrm jnab javed Ahmad Ghamidi Sahab👌👌👌👌
ڈاکٹر صاحب ! آپ نے حضرت تھانوی رحمۃ اللہ علیہ کے خواب کی تعبیر کی وضاحت فرما کر بہت سارے لوگوں کو بدگمانی اور بہتان تراشیوں سے بچا لیا ھے۔ جزاکاللہ خیر !
That's simply amazing! Very well explained. Ghamdi sahab is best, mA!
الحمدللہ خوش قسمت ھیں وہ لوگ جو آپ جیسے عام دین کو سنتے ہیں ایسا ہی ہر عا لم دین کو الله سعور اتا فرماے الله آپکی عمر دراز کرے آمین
Beautifully explained…. we should not fall for everything someone might say about anyone let alone to say anything negative about the like of maulana Ashraf Ali Thanavi….may Allah have mercy on his soul.
kalima pdhwana tohmat h *hakimul ummat hazrat molana ashraf ali thanwi rahmatullah alaih* pr...
aur tohmate lagane walo ko qyamat k din *Allah pak* k samne sabit krna pdega aur jbtak sabit nhi kr dega tbtk *hadees* k mutabiq *jahannam* se kese niklega??
na hzrat thanwi rahmatullah alaih ne kalima pdhwaya tha na hi khaab dekhne wale ko kaha tha k tumne jo khaab dekha h waisa hi asal jindagi me duhrate rho...agar hzrat thanwi rahmatullah alaih kalima pdhwate the to ek v admi q nhi milta aisa jo aisa najayz kalima pdhta ho?? na hi hzrat thanwi rahmatullah alaih ki dusri kisi kitab me iska jikr milta h na hi unke bayanaat me milta h...gulam ahmad qadyani kafir ne nabuwat ka dawa kiya... engineer kahi dikha de k hzrat thanwi ne kvi nabuwat ka dawa kiya...agar dawa nhi kiya to kalima kaha se aagyaa??
engineer kaise itna jhutha hoskta h k saf saf bol rha h kalima pdhwaya tha...
kyamat me ye engineer kaise sabit krega??
Gamdhi is beating around the bush.
That dream is dangerous.(elevating Ashraf ali to the level of Rasul). This dream is, sort of, Kufuri dream.
That's all.
میں تو پہلے ہی استاد غامدی صاحب کا بہت بڑا فین ہوں اور اس کی سب سے بڑی وجہ ان کی دین اور دین کو سمجھنے کے بارے میں اپروچ ہے۔ ان کا حسنِ اخلاق لاجواب ہے اور صرف یہی ایک وجہ بھی ان سے متاثر ہونے کے لئے کافی ہے کیونکہ یہ رسولِ کریم صلی اللّٰہ علیہ وسلم کی سب سے بڑی صفت تھی جو مجھے کسی اور عالم دین میں نظر نہیں آئی۔ اللّٰہ تعالٰی غامدی صاحب کو ایمان، صحت اور خوشیوں بھری لمبی زندگی عطا فرمائے اور انہیں آخری دم تک دین کی خدمت کا یہ مشن جاری رکھنے کی توفیق عطا فرمائے۔ آمین
جزاکم اللہ خیرا ۔۔
ایک عرصے سے مجھے اس بات کی سمجھ نہیں آئی تھی اور مولانا تھانوی کے بڑے بڑے پیروکار بھی اس کو سمجھانے سے قاصر تھے۔
Kyaaaaaaaaaa. Bat hai. Imagine if everyone followed this thought process for ikntilaaf.
This world is created to test us. That's why Allah wants to see who uses his intellect or akal when doing ikhtelaf and who's falling for his ego.
The revolution wouldn't come by this process!
@@anasughratdar8045 Revolution wouldn't come by scrolling social media and commenting on TH-cam either 😅😅
ماشاءاللہ! اللہ آپ کو خوش رکھے ہمیشہ۔
MashAllah! Ghamidi sahab vision and his ability to ponder is unmatchable
Assalam alaikum
Mashallah kya khoob samjhaya Ghamidi.sb ne. Allah umr aur sehat mein barkat de taki ham jaise log istifafa karte rahen.
Amin ya Rabbal Alamin
Eid Mubarak
Maa Shaa'allaah Ghaamidi Saaheb may Allaah Almighty enter you in the highest abode in
Jannatul-Firdaus , Aameen, what an explanation. Subhaanallaah
ماشآءاللہ بہت بہترین تعبیر سن کرطبیعت خوش ہوگئی
میں یونہی نہیں غامدی صاحب کو پسند کرتا ماشاءاللہ غامدی صاحب اللہ پاک آپ کو علم عمل میں برکت عطا فرمائے
As matter of fact we need such genius and intellectual person like ghamdi sir to listen and fallow from ayaz Khan nowshera cantt kpk Pakistan
I salute Janab Javed ghamdi Shab ke Aap ne Maulana Ashraf Ali thanvi Sahab ke Bare mein bahut hi umda aur nafees urdu mein Samjhaya Allah Aap ko umrdraz kare aur sehat atta farmaye.❤❤❤❤
I have gone through most of the comments by fellow muslims in Ghamdi Sahib’s explanation of remarks about one of the great muslim scholars of Sub Continent Ashraf Ali Thanvi Sahib! I was delighted to note that a large educated majority of educated class appreciates Ghamdi Sahib and his manner of explanations besude his Islamic thought! That is the way we as muslims must conduct ourselves in every field particularly the religion ! When Quran says O muslims you are brothers in religion then why we behave the otherway! This behaviour has fractured the muslim unity so much that today non muslims, contrary to what Allaah SWT says, dictate us how to follow religion and how not to follow certain injunctions of Islam ! That is height of weakness induced in Ummah because of “ Taffarqa”!
Unfortunately we commoners fight on those aspects of religion which are beyond our domain and based on those we confer “ kufr” on others! This attitude certainly needs redressal by all elders if we have to live a united ummah inspite of differences of fiqh, interpretations, translations etc!
May Allaah SWT grant us wisdom and drpth! Aameeen
Khan Sb. there is a lot of difference and ambiguity In Islamic literature. More so prediction of variety of Firqas in the Umma. Then how does unity seem possible? Doesn't it tantamount to live in fool's paradise?
Miyan Miyan
Why we should bear with endorsement of this "Kalma"?
My dear brother there is no ambiguity in Quran and Sunnah! There are hardly any differences on basic tenets of Islam ! Ambiguity / differences comes in when we go to Ahadis, Tafasir, Translations etc particularly on topics which are deep knowledge and which may not be known to common muslims! When Quran says “ do not fracture unity” then it is Quranic injunction and a Farz! This must be realised ! As of 72/73 firqas it appears a concocted story ! No leader will ever say such thing in his life time least of all the Prophet PBUH!
You need to learn the definition of Firqa
28 Feb 2020 Juma Bayan: Definition of Firqa/Sect, Firqa Wariyat, & Basis of Aqeedah (Quran & Sunnah)
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Buhut alla very logical reply
Mari zandgi ki khwaish hei Mera ikhlaq be app ki Tarah ho Jay 💖🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰💖💖💖💖💖.
App ikhlaaaq ka imaam hein 💖
Knowledge without ikhlaq garbage hei...
Same.
i don't this person but he is so intellectual and knowledgeable personality..
no aalim has ever imagined and explained this issue so well and detailed....
Masha Allah. Ghamdi sb an asset of Ummah
بہت خوب استاد محترم، آپ اعتدال کے بادشاہ بادشاہ ہے. آپ علم کا سمندر ہے.
Ocean the knowledge Javid Ahmad Ghamdi
I also used to listen engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza but he is not unfortunately focused on islah of people like ghamidi. Sab rather he is focused on creating his own following and firqa sowing more seeds of discords among people.
Agreed 😔😔
Engineer md ali mirza is a connoisseur and many times he is correct in his analysis but ghamdi sb is a man of extraordinary intellect and creative knowledge apart from many other ulemas and socalle
He is no connoisseur he is an ordinary engineer whose communique skills are good, so he is popular among ordinary people who mostly have low IQ. Ghamidi sab has an extraordinary IQ level which makes him difficult for people to understand him. what I have said is just my OPINION.
Ap Dr. Muhammad Zubair or Attiq Alvi ko bhi sunnen bhai.
ماشاءاللہ ایک عالم کی پہچان یہئ ہے ۔ انجینئر کا انداز بیان ہی عالم کا نہیں ہے ۔
میں غامدی صاحب کی وضاحت سے متفق ہوں۔۔۔ غامدی صاحب درست اصول اور فریم دیتے ہیں سمجھنے کا۔۔۔۔
غامدی صاحب کو اللہ تعالیٰ بہترین بدلہ عطا فرمائے
انھوں نے عصر حاضر کے ذہین اور تعلیم یافتہ افراد کے دل و دماغ سے تشکیک و الحاد کے کانٹے جس خوبصورتی سے نکالے ہیں اور سائنسی علوم کے نتیجے میں پیدا ہونے والے تمام وساوس کو جس طرح قوی دلائل و استدلال سے دور کیا ہے وہ صرف انھیں کا حصہ ہے
مولانا مودودی رحمت اللہ علیہ کے بعد یہ عظیم الشان کام آپ ہی کے حصے میں آیا ہے
خدا کی قسم میں ان تمام جلیل القدر علماء کرام سے شدید بیزاری بلکہ نفرت کا شکار ہو گیا تھا لیکن آج... دین کی صوفیا نا تعبیرات... کی حقیقت سمجھنے کے بعد میرا موقف بہت کچھ بدل گیا ہے، فکری اہتزاز پر سکون ہو گئے ہیں اور ان بزرگوں سے بے شمار اختلافات کے باوجود ان کی عزت وقدر دل میں محسوس کر رہا ہوں
اللہ تعالیٰ غامدی صاحب کا سایہ تا دیر قائم رکھے، ان کا فیض عام فرمائے اور دونوں جہانوں میں ان کو بہترین اجر عطا فرمائے..... آمین
اللّہ آپ کو طویل عمر اور صحت کے ساتھ امت کے درمیان رکھے۔
I listened this clip thricely as usually I do always to understand Ustaad e Mohtaram. Ustaad e Mohtaram has concluded the topic according to the taste of Molana Ashraf Ali Than I as he was a great Sufi. Ustaad Mohtaram has analysed it in a logical manner. May Allah bless h with sound health!
Ghamidi Sb Rejection of Correct Aqaid, Importance of Hadith Mutawatir in Aqeedah غامدی صاحب کے عقائد
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mashallah Good work u hve anttic knwldge and art of spch lve u my ustaad sahab frm india betiful lcture thnks.
ماشاء اللّٰہ ، بہترین ، زبردست ۔۔
Unmatchable as always much appreciated ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥😍❤️
Salam sir allah ki rehmaten aap par sari insaniyat k lie is dor mai buhot bara inaam hainaap sir kya aala tareen wasahat ki hai aap nai yeh aik buhot bara masala hal kiya aap nai subhan allah allah aap salamati k sath rakhen aap par❤🤲from abu dhabi
Masha Allah, excellent as always Ustad Ghamidi.
میں تھانوی صاحب کو عالم سمجھتا تھا مگر اس پاۓ کا نہی مگر آج میری آنکھیں کھل گئئ ھیں شکریہ غامدی صاحب ❤
ماشاء اللہ ❤️❤️❤️
Excellent explanation by Ghamdi Sahib with all respect of Hazrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi.
IMPORTANT: Some comments here point to the fact that, "this wasn't just a dream". True, but that is where people like Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza have faltered. Yes, that person had narrated both his dream and post-dream experiences to Maulana Thanvi. But why are certain crucial details of the description of his condition on waking up ignored? Because those interested in targeting Maulana Thanvi do not want to admit that the person writing to him, throughout his dream and post-dream experiences, fell in the legal category of 'masloob-ul-ikhtiyar' (i.e. one in a state of duress). At the beginning of his letter to Maulana Thanvi, he clearly informs him that, (a) "huzoor kay aur banday kay etaqadaat bilkul aik hain" and (b) "huzoor ki tasneef chund kitaabain zayr-e-mutaalia rahi hain jin main say 'Bahishti Zewar' to hirz-e-jaan hai". In the opening chapter of 'Bahishti Zewar', Maulana Thanvi clearly states the essential Islamic doctrine of Finality of Prophethood. So this person narrates that even in his dream when he mentioned Maulana Thanvi's name in the Kalima, "dil kay andar khyaal paida hua keh tujhay ghalti hui kalima shareef kay parrhnay main, isko sahih parrhna chayhay ... mujh ko iss baat ka ilm hai keh iss terhan darust nahi, laykin bay-ikhtiyaar zubaan say yahi kalima nikalta hai". Before waking up, towards the end of the dream, he sees himself collapsing on the floor and feels that "mairay andar koi taaqat baaqi nahi rahi, itnay main banda khwaab say baydaar ho gya *laykin badan main badastoor bay-hisi thi aur woh asr-e-na-taaqati badastoor tha*". Now awake, but stuck in this continuing state of "bay-hisi" and "na-taaqati", he makes more failed attempts to read the Kalima correctly - while clearly mentioning that "abb bay-daar hun khwaab nahi, laykin bay-ikhtiyaar hun mujboor hun, zubaan apnay qaabu main nahi". Hence, his avowed correct belief, and repeated claims that he lacked 'ikhtiyaar' and remained in a state of duress throughout his dream and post-dream experiences - left no reason for Maulana Thanvi to reprimand him. Allah the Exalted says in the Qur'an, "Whoever rejects his faith in Allah after having believed in Him - not the one who is compelled (to utter a word of disbelief) under duress while his heart is at peace with Faith, but the one who has laid his breast wide open for disbelief - upon such people is the wrath of Allah, and for them there is a heavy punishment" (16: 106). Like many classical scholars, the famous 8th century A.H. (14th century A.D.) scholar Allamah Ibn al-Qayyim gave this verdict: "The one who studies the sources of sharee‘ah will realize that the Lawgiver disregarded words that were not meant as said by the one who uttered them; rather he uttered them unintentionally, as in the case of one who is sleeping, or forgot, or was intoxicated, or was ignorant, or was compelled, or made a mistake as a result of extreme joy or anger or sickness, and the like" (I‘laam al-Muwaqqi‘een, 3/78). Therefore, all those who have maligned Maulana Thanvi, or other ulama and sufis on similar grounds, should repent and seek forgiveness from Allah, and they should also admit their mistakes at the forums/gatherings where they have maligned those servants of Islam. May the Almighty grant all transgressors the taufeeq to mend their ways and make amends, amen.
So basically you are saying that the person who wrote the letter wasn't in a normal condition he doesn't had the 'ikhtiyaar' on the words which he was uttering ... All of your references support him ...
And thats TRUE ... Nobody can counter that cuz these are facts ...
But the point is Nobody blames him ... People blame Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi for his wrong Tabeer of the experience that man had ... And its alright ... Maulana clearly made a mistake here ... So why can't people just accept the fact that it was a very very wrong and serious tabeer ... Just accept it and move on ... Nobody says nothing about that man who had this bad experience ... The bigger picture of the Problem is :- people can't really turn their heads around the fact that their religious elders can make mistakes too and when they do their followers not only are unable to accept it but worse, they try to defend them like you are doing ... Everything you are saying is defending that person who wrote the letter ... But not single reference can defend Maulana Sahab ... Becoz clearly it was a wrong tabeer ... But it doesn't mean all of his good deeds vanishes suddenly with one mistake ... And you also said something about Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza and people like him ... His point is simple don't follow anyone blindly ... Is it too much to ask ... He highlights these type of waqiyas just to make people understand that Big Buzurgs like Maulana Sahab can also make mistakes ... Nobody can be like Prophets (PBUT) ... Nobody is maasoom ...
And Allah knows best ...
Jo b bhaunkta hai, Nabi pe bhaunkta hai..
Allama Khadim Hussain Rizvi
Bhai kyo ek ghalat baat ko defend kartay hain. Mureed ki halat theek nahi thi murshad tau hosh mein thay unko condemn karna chahiay tha na ke encourage.
(1) I'll say something about this remark on my comment, "Everything you are saying is defending that person who wrote the letter ... But not single reference can defend Maulana Sahab ... Becoz clearly it was a wrong tabeer". In the same lunar year (1336) and the same magazine (al-Imdaad), in the issue of Jumada al-Thaani, Maulana Thanvi had written this about his tabeer of that dream, "mujh ko iss per israar nahi, agar yeh khwaab shaitaani ho ya kisi marz-e damaaghi say naashi ho aur oski tabeer na ho yeh bhi mumkin hai". There was no encouragement by Maulana Thanvi even for harboring involuntary thoughts (let alone acting on them) which replaced our Prophet's name in the kalima with someone else's. As the quotations in my first comment here reveal, the person writing to Maulana Thanvi had undergone an experience that caused him extreme distress (he also wrote that he spent the next day crying - "riqqat rahi khoob roya"). Moreover, he had written to the Maulana, "huzoor kay aur banday kay etaqadaat bilkul aik hain" and "huzoor ki tasneef ... 'Bahishti Zewar' to hirz-e-jaan hai" (where Maulana Thanvi has clearly stated the essential Islamic doctrine of Finality of Prophethood). So in his short one line reply, Maulana Thanvi was mainly concerned about relieving that person's distress, "iss waaqa'y main *tasalli* thi keh jiss ki teref tum rujoo kertay ho voh ba'onehi ta'aala muttabay Sunnat hai" (this also goes to show that Maulana saw and presented himself as a muttabay/follower of the Sunnat of our blessed Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, nothing more). If Ali Mirza and his like-minded critics want to continue making fuss over it, so be it. (2) As for this remark on my comment, "Nobody is maasoom" - only some highly ignorant/deviant jaahil can consider ulama/sufis to be ma'soom. If we just consider the example of Maulana Thanvi, he used to have an on-going series of articles/notes published under the title 'Tarjih ar-Raajeh", where till his death in 1943, he had publicly corrected DOZENS of his mistakes. Unfortunately, Ali Mirza is on the path of the worst kind of manaazirs (who are found in all schools of thought). Unlike competent moderate God-fearing muftis, such manaazirs have exaggerated the mistakes of ulama/sufis they are opposed to. If Ali Mirza can unlearn these bad habits and dis-own his propaganda against stalwarts such as Mujaddid Alf-i Thani and Maulana Thanvi, he'll do himself and his undiscerning followers a huge favor (much has been written by moderate scholars about the valid interpretation of certain vague ideas espoused by such stalwarts). (3) I do NOT label myself as a 'Deobandi', 'Barelvi' or 'Salafi'/'Ahl-e-Hadith'. I simply adhere to the aqeedah texts (their matan, not their shurooh) taught in the madrasas of these schools of thought, which were written in the classical age of Islam (which can be extended to 7th century A.H.) and have been used for study all over the Muslim world for centuries (chiefly, the aqeedah texts by Imam Tahaawi and Imam Nasafi). In our sub-continent, highly learned ulama/sufis such as Allamah Pir Syed Meher Ali Shah (1859-1937), had a sound approach to dealing with scholarly differences in the Ummah. On the one hand, their insight and moderation allowed them to give verdicts on those differences based on the Qur'an, reliable hadiths and Ijma-e-Ummat; and on the other, they refrained from takfeer and tafseeq of ulama/sufis who had committed mistakes. The task of adjudicating in such matters cannot be left to extremist muftis, radical manaazirs and lay preachers like Ali Mirza. This reckless guy has the audacity to claim that when two leading ulama of 19th century India had a physical contact where one of them put his hand on the chest of the other (to gain barakah of his iman), they were having a homo-sexual encounter! And he presents the book by Maulana Thanvi which records such anecdotes, 'Arwaah-e-Thalaatha', as if it was some code of conduct for Muslims. Whereas, in the preface of that book Maulana Thanvi declared that he had been lax about his sources/narrators because the anecdotes presented there were not meant to establish any ruling of our Deen ("kisi hukm-e-Sharai ka madaar na honay kay sabab yeh muzir bhi nahi"). Whatever 'strange' anecdotes/experiences we modern day Muslims may find in the writings of pre-modern ulama and sufis (of the mainstream type), based on Qur'an and reliable hadiths they were absolutely clear about what was a matter of Deen/Shariah and what wasn't (and that is why they remain relevant and serve as interpretive authorities even now). However, every socio-cultural context has some peculiar epistemological features that result in ontological outlooks and lived experiences that are specific to that context. Anyone with a good academic background in humanities and social sciences would be appalled by the liberties that this engineer and other modernized Muslims have taken to castigate Muslim luminaries of the pre-modern age (and who try to emulate them now). Believe me, by using Ali Mirza's defective yardstick for measuring the credibility of our ulama and sufis, we won't just lose a host of stalwarts from our recent past - this recipe for destruction would also demolish the standing of muhadditheen of the classical era (who are the backbone of Ali Mirza’s ‘Ilmi-Kitaabi’ appraoch). For example, one can find strange anecdotes in 'Kitaab az-Zuhd' of Imam Abdullah ibn al-Mubaarak - his students were the teachers of Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim; and also in 'Hilyat al-Awliyaa' of Imam Abu Nu'aym - who was among the shuyookh of Imam al-Haakim and Imam al-Bayhaqi (Ali Mirza often quotes hadiths from Imam al-Haakim's al-Mustadrak, and also from Imam al-Bayhaqi's 'as-Sunan', 'Dalaa'il an-Nubuwwah' and 'Shuab-ul-Imaan'); and Imam al-Bayhaqi himself compiled numerous strange anecdotes in his multi-volume work 'az-Zuhd al-Kabeer'. LESSON: (a) along with sharing ghair mujtahid-fih teachings of the Qur'an and reliable hadiths, lay preachers like Ali Mirza should restrict themselves to only sharing/citing such writings of those Imams, ulama and sufis - where some ruling of Deen/Shariah was established; (b) without due psychological immersion in the life-worlds of pre-modern classical Imams, ulama and sufis, no one can even begin to understand their experiences and approach to life; (c) Non-ulama/sufis should never indulge in the exercise of judging whether or not some classical Imam or pre-modern aalim/sufi had erred in understanding and practicing some injunction of our Deen/Shariah - only competent and moderate ulama and sufis can undertake that task if needed; and (d) therefore, Ali Mirza's defective yardstick must be discarded!
(1) Now I'll say something about this remark on my first comment, "Bhai kyo ek ghalat baat ko defend kartay hain. Mureed ki halat theek nahi thi murshad tau hosh mein thay unko condemn karna chahiay tha na ke encourage." In my second comment here, I've already demonstrated that Maulana Thanvi had not encouraged the involuntary thoughts and actions of that mureed in any way; and it was totally pointless to condemn some involuntary occurrence. Though since those involuntary experiences had occurred, and were traumatic for that mureed, Maulana Thanvi simply tried to explain them away through a ta’beer that could give the distressed mureed some relief/‘tasalli’. Maulana's reply sufficiently reveals what his overriding concern was at that point in time. At the outset that mureed had told Maulana about his adherence to the teachings in his book Bahishti Zewar and that "huzoor kay aur banday kay etaqadaat bilkul aik hain". When that person found himself going against a core aqeedah mentioned by Maulana Thanvi in that book (Finality of Prophethood), even though his thoughts and actions were involuntary, he was deeply traumatized by them. My two previous comments have given quotations from his letter to Maulana that reveal how hurt and depressed he was owing to those involuntary mistakes (he spent the whole day crying). So considering that this mureed knew and adhered to the correct aqeedah, and was in a state of extreme distress due to his involuntary mistakes - Maulana decided to provide him with an interpretation of that experience that could give him tasalli, "iss waaqa'y main *tasalli* thi keh jiss ki teref tum rujoo kertay ho voh ba'onehi ta'aala muttabay Sunnat hai" (here Maulana was drawing on the sufi track of progress i.e. Fana fish-Shaykh -> Fana fir-Rasool -> Fana fil-(A)llah; keep in mind that the last stage of this track does NOT entail the physical fana/annihilation of a human being in the being of Allah, as Mujaddid Alf-i Thaani Imam Ahmed Sirhindi has clarified, this stage is achieved when a fully devoted believer annihilates his/her wishes in Allah's wishes (mardhiyaat); our Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam is the most perfect embodiment of that annihilation, from the start of his prophetic mission every Muslim is required to follow and emulate him in order to become Fana fil-(A)llah, after him a safe and speedy way of following and emulating him is to benefit from the mentoring of a kaamil shaykh who is fully 'muttabay Sunnat'). However, although at that juncture Maulana Thanvi gave a tabeer of that experience which could provide the mureed some 'tasalli', later in that very year (1336) and in the same magazine (al-Imdaad), he explained that the positive tabeer he had offered was merely based on his intuition/'wijdaan' and therefore wasn't meant to be taken as an interpretation that could not be invalid - indeed, as Maulana put it, the experience that person had undergone could've been influenced by shaitaan and hence may not even have any tabeer. Ali Mirza and his like-minded people tend to over-simplify and dumb down a complex discourse, and their low grade manaazraana temperament has shut the doors of empathy and understanding on them. (2) Fortunately, more than two decades ago I was able to shape my approach to such sensitive issues by giving due importance to two authentic hadiths. One of them carried a strong admonishment and is well known, "When a person calls his brother [in Islam] a disbeliever, one of them will certainly deserve the title. If the addressee is so as he has asserted, the disbelief of the man is confirmed, but if it is untrue, then it will revert to him!" (Sahih al-Bukhari, 6104; Sahih Muslim, 60a and 60b). The other hadith usually does not receive due attention, though it offers us the best model for dealing with cases where a Muslim ends up saying/writing something that has a controversial shade of meaning. One of the leading mujtahids among the sahaabah of our Prophet, Sayyedna Ubayy ibn Ka'b had developed some serious doubts about the iman of a fellow sahaabi. Sayyedna Ubayy had noticed that this sahaabi used to regularly travel all the way from his house on the outskirts of the city, to offer prayers at the Prophet's mosque in Medina. When Sayyedna Ubayy and other sahaaba discussed with him the hardships involved in his regular travel, that sahaabi replied, "by Allah, I do not like my house to be situated near the house of Muhammad!" Sayyedna Ubayy says, "I took [these words of his] ill and went to the Messenger of Allah and informed him" (perhaps that verse of the Qur'an had been revealed by then and contributed to Sayyedna Ubayy's suspicions about that sahaabi, "Among those around you of the wandering Arabs, there are hypocrites..." 9: 101). When the Prophet summoned that sahaabi, "he said exactly" what Sayyedna Ubayy had reported to the Prophet, but this time he added that the reason why he wanted to dwell far away from the Prophet's dwelling and the adjoining mosque was that "he wanted a reward for his steps [to the mosque]. Upon this the Messenger of Allah said: In fact for you is the reward which you expect!" (Sahih Muslim, 663c). Hence, the case was closed there and then! LESSON: (a) Even if the person who has developed suspicions about any statement made by a fellow Muslim is a scholar of the highest rank (a mujtahid mufti), following Sayyedna Ubayy he should not hasten to reach a conclusion and inform others about it - rather, at the very outset the matter should be referred to a large group of muftis who are considered to be outstanding in terms of their taqwa, competence and moderation (a group because after our Prophet's demise, no single person can command absolute religious authority); (b) the consulted group of muftis should summon the person whose utterances and/or writings have raised suspicions, and ask him about his intended meaning; (c) if the intended meaning disclosed by that person accords with his utterances/writings in question to a reasonable extent, then the suspicions hinting at controversial shades of meaning will be set aside and that person will stand honorably acquitted; and (d) the final lesson we can learn from this hadith is that to grant an honorable acquittal, no taubah will be demanded for saying/writing something that raised suspicions (though the acquitted person can be counselled to avoid using words / making statements that raise suspicions).
اللہ اکبر اتنی شان تو اس صاحب نے کبھی اللہ کے رسول کی بیان نہیں کی جس کا سر کبھی رسول پاپ نام لیتے نہیں خم نہیں ہوا وہ حکم ارشاد فرمارہے ہے کہ تھانوی کا نام لیتے سر جھکائیں واہ سوال تھا چنا اور جواب ایا غامزی
جس شخص کی ساری زندگی قرآن اور حدیث سمجھانے میں گزر گئ اب اس کو آپ نصیحت فرما رہے ہیں ۔