Bore scoring is a Porsche reality that hit my 30k mile 997.1. I ‘bit the bullet’ and got a rebuild to 4.3 with Nikasil liners, forges pistons and rods and a whole host of other goodies. It’s an absolute beast now, and in everyday driving, as fast as my 991.2 GT3.
FACT : The 911 is considered a Supercar because its consistently been an Autobahn killer for Decades.....this C4S is a 190 mph capable car.....might not be the quickest getting there in todays world but it will do it 7 days a week and twice on a Sunday !! Its the Heritage that sets a Porsche 911 out as a Supercar !
Guys love these cars , I bought one last year c4S 997 , it’s one of my childhood dream cars I always wanted one but since I am a family guy I soon forgot about them, however it’s surprise me the lazy day to day ideal daily sports car can jump into hyper mode at a press of a button. Strong quality built cars and it performs like no other car once you drop the pedal to the metal! Mine is a 6 speed manual and aero factory kit and rebuilt by previous owner from Hartech rebuilds specialist which was the reason I bought it I looked for this example for years and finally happy
There were also a GT3, GT3 RS, Turbo S and GTS models of 997 (along with a Sport Classic model). Regarding Bore Scoring, it’s not just internet hype, the liners of the bores were made of a material which will score eventually. How you drive it (allowing it to warm up properly) and proper servicing will help.
Awesome vid guys😁 👍, i have a 997 c2s convertible auto. Im glad you brought up the bore score and ims, as it is overhyped topic. Just to mention, im glad your filming in Pontypool 👍
Thank you! 🙏 My choice would be the 2S, and I do like a convertible! I didn't realise the numbers were that low until Kenny did the research. Are you local?? - Drew
Same here dude! They're not my thing but I do like what he has done with this one! Certainly doesn't have the torque punch that your Scooby has lol -Drew
Funny enough only 911 I've driven is a 2005 997.1 carrera 4s automatic convertible. Despite not driven anything that powerful at the time I wasn't impressed by the performance but loved the handling and engine noise
I own a 6 spd 2008 4S cab, great car but would not call it a super car. Once you drive a Turbo S or GT3 you realize it is a great daily sports car but no super.
It’s no surprise to me you’re getting (more?) access to Porsches (even though you’re not a Porsche channel, yet) ‘Porsche’ guys generally want to share their cars with other enthusiasts. It’s so rewarding to have a fun car and share that enthusiasm with others. Fun video. Looking forward to the cayman, and 911 turbo, and 3,2 carerra, etc, reviews. ;) Cheers
Great vid quality guys. I have a 986 2.7 and to be honest the trim doesn't bother me at all, I love the car. I am interested in the Cayman but would miss the roof down but no worries of leaks or security.
Thank you mate! 🙏 A-men! I love the whole roof down experience (hence why I own 2 Mx5s!) I do have a soft spot for the 986. How long have you owned the 986? And What has reliability been like? Thank you for watching! - Drew
I have changed the coils, plugs, water pump, stat, front discs, serpintine belt as preventative maintenance but have to say its never missed a beat and been away a few times on road trips. @@accelerateyoutube
Great video. I have a 987 S 3.4L tiptronic fitted with a pedal commander.... That makes a big difference to the thrill reaching the speeds up to 60mph. I'd love to let you experience it too to see what its like.
Enjoyed the video, very interesting, nicely edited and great scenery. One minor correction, at 3min30 IMS stands for intermediate shaft, not what you said. Thanks for the vid, look forward to the next one.
Thank you, really appreciate the kind words 🙏 I did quietly correct Kenny if you listen quite closely lol I believe it was a slip of the tongue, as the amount of research we both did was painful lol Thank you for the support - Drew
Before I got my 997 and after I got my 997 I never thought of the 911 as a supercar. It's a high end sports car. One of the only last purpose built sports cars left. The others being the Miata, the 86/BRZ, all the exotics of course, the 718, and maybe one or two others I'm forgetting. Chassis and engine built for one intended purpose. Yes, it's a true sports car and that is rare and feels different from a super sporty sedan or coupe based off a mass produced car. However, it's just a sports car that is built in an era where there aren't enough of them. Supercars are sports cars that take it to the next level. I feel that some 911s fit that bill. However, the non Turbo or GT cars are not. What the "lower end" 911s do great is they actually have amazing engineering. It really is the perfect car for gearheads who want a "practical" car (and a bit of money). I think they have superior engineering and manufacturing processes over cars like Ferrari, Mercedes, and BMW. It is an amazing overall car that literally no car on the road can match in its ability to smply do it all.
Thanks man! 🙏 You do have a point, they certainly are designed to be tourers. I can't bring myself to like the Roma 😬...or any modern Ferrari for that matter 🙈 lol - Drew
I do like a Porsche, Especially a 911👌 Another Awesome video Kenny and Drew, The editing 👌👌👌 Thanks Lads John 🏴👍 definitely not better than a M3 🤣👍
Thanks John! 🙏 The more modern generation 911s (996 onwards) never really interested me, but they certainly are great cars! 😂😂 we were told to say that! Lol - Drew
Merci 👍. Oui je possède un TT Mk2 depuis 4 ans et je suis très content de l'avoir. Le TT est rabaissé par ressorts courts H & R, vitres teintées noires Glastint, sortie echappement chromée, jantes Alu 18 pouces en 245 /40/18. Pirelli P Zéro. Jantes Wolfburg. C'est un Deux litres de 200 cv TFSI. 🏴 🇫🇷 👍 😉Et il est de 2007 👍😉.Et il est sur ma chaîne You Tube 👍 😉
997 C2S has wide body and 3.8l engine, per the C4S, just in 2wd format. Base Carrera is narrow body with 3.6l. Small point, but the C2S got the widebody with the 997 model.
As much of a bummer the torque converter is , I think it makes the auto ones perfect as the 'everyday supercar' , if it was harsh and always making you feel excited it would be a weekend toy rather than the everyday car If you get me 🤣🤣 but saying this I'm not the biggest of porsche fans 🙈
Absolutely dude! Kenny drove it most of the day, and he said the auto box was a pleasure. Yeh, less temptation with an auto box 😂 Thank you for watching as always dude! 🙏 - Drew
My understanding is that it’s the IMS that affects approx 5% of these cars, but bore scoring is due to the inherent design flaw of this engine so will eventually happen to all examples sooner or later. It’s just hoping that you get an example that has had it sorted already, or will happen after the end of your ownership. Is this not correct?
I have been in the market for a 997 Porsche and all 4 cars I was super close to buying it was subject to bore scoring results and all 4 came back with some scoring on it. Even with low mileage under 30,000 miles have it. Scoring happens in colder temperature while the car just sits there during the winter months. So I think the scoring on the 997's % is a lot higher than that. To replace the engine due to scoring easily will cost over $30,000 USD. So now I gave up looking for a 997. I am now in the market for a 991.1 manual. It's too bad because the 997 body is perfect size.
Supercar, I wouldnt call a C4S a supercar. Certainly a great sports car and worthy of praise. However short of a 997 Turbo, Turbo S or GT2 spec its not a supercar.
@@accelerateyoutube I am admittedlyjaded on HP having owned some 1k whp cars etc... But I love the 997 it's a great platform in my view. I have have two 997.1 Turbos one fully stock and one built with 750whp and one with an LS swap. Looking for another one now as it's just the best of the 911 generations. Modern, but still relatively small
Enough haters to go around in the comment section. 'Supercar' is a relative term, not an exact definition. For example, most people consider a 964 turbo a 'supercar'. It gets left in the dust by this car. The haters would say that's an older car and they would be correct. And that's my point. It's all relative to something. If you don't mind, I'm going out for a night drive in my 997.1 C4S. Nite nite haters. 😆
You are absolutely right! This was the point I was trying to make, many say speed defines a supercar, but to me, an RS6 is fast...but by no means a supercar. The arguments could go on & on, but thank you for your open minded reply. 😂 "nite nite haters" that tickled me! Thank you for watching! - Drew
My experiences in a 997 has been much LESS people want to try and race me than when I owned my G37, good grief every douchebag on the road with a fart-can Subaru or Honda would want to mess with you and all I'm doing is going to work. Driving the Porsche those same assholes don't even attempt it.
Back in 2005 when the 997 was released the Golf R or AMG 45 cars were not around. Plus I'd still rather be driving a 997 over any of the said cars in 2024. Thanks Ken
Speed doesn't necessarily define a supercar. This was the discussion we were having: what actually defines a supercar? It seems to be a subjective topic. - Drew
The 997 was no more reliable than the 996 , in fact the 3.8 is more susceptible to bore scoring . The 996 is a great 911 , lightweight and the 3.4 is a great revs engine .
@@simonward9369👏 I shan't place a link, but dial into this old TH-cam video "BMW E39 5 Series Airbag Light Reset".......same dude!! 11 or more different YT channels, with around 9,000 uploaded videos, over a 10 year period. As honest as the day is born!! Phhh ...Scan tool anyone? lol
I know of a pal of yours Carrera, who has a speed yellow 997. See comments section on one of ian sellars boat channel vids.😯 ( ian sellars Whitby 2009 )
@@submariner65-mj4cd Same dude on old TH-cam video.. >> "BMW E39 5 Series Airbag Light Reset" ..American Al 😂 Also Google search... " Bavarian Dominator - Review Centre UK"...... then read a selection of his customer reviews. 11 different YT channels, that we know of, and upwards of 9,000 uploaded videos over a 10 year period. WTF!!! Nice honest fella eh! See .... "iCarsoft Scanning Tool - Jaguar XE Forum"......... See.............."Beware iCarsoft - Mercedes Benz Forum"
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Bore scoring is a Porsche reality that hit my 30k mile 997.1.
I ‘bit the bullet’ and got a rebuild to 4.3 with Nikasil liners, forges pistons and rods and a whole host of other goodies.
It’s an absolute beast now, and in everyday driving, as fast as my 991.2 GT3.
did you get it done at hartech
Blew my engine due to bore scoring and went 4.2. Loving it!
Please make extensive videos of this car.
FACT : The 911 is considered a Supercar because its consistently been an Autobahn killer for Decades.....this C4S is a 190 mph capable car.....might not be the quickest getting there in todays world but it will do it 7 days a week and twice on a Sunday !!
Its the Heritage that sets a Porsche 911 out as a Supercar !
11.8 quarter mile is still pretty good even today. I love my 997.2 C4S
Guys love these cars , I bought one last year c4S 997 , it’s one of my childhood dream cars I always wanted one but since I am a family guy I soon forgot about them, however it’s surprise me the lazy day to day ideal daily sports car can jump into hyper mode at a press of a button. Strong quality built cars and it performs like no other car once you drop the pedal to the metal! Mine is a 6 speed manual and aero factory kit and rebuilt by previous owner from Hartech rebuilds specialist which was the reason I bought it I looked for this example for years and finally happy
There were also a GT3, GT3 RS, Turbo S and GTS models of 997 (along with a Sport Classic model).
Regarding Bore Scoring, it’s not just internet hype, the liners of the bores were made of a material which will score eventually. How you drive it (allowing it to warm up properly) and proper servicing will help.
Awesome vid guys😁 👍, i have a 997 c2s convertible auto. Im glad you brought up the bore score and ims, as it is overhyped topic. Just to mention, im glad your filming in Pontypool 👍
Thank you! 🙏
My choice would be the 2S, and I do like a convertible!
I didn't realise the numbers were that low until Kenny did the research.
Are you local??
- Drew
Great video as usual, those drone shots 👌👏
Thank you! 🙏
- Drew
Great video amd stunning scenery, lads.
Outstanding job.
Love the black on black on this. There not my type of thing but I have never been in one so really hard for me to say anything bad about it
Same here dude! They're not my thing but I do like what he has done with this one!
Certainly doesn't have the torque punch that your Scooby has lol
-Drew
Funny enough only 911 I've driven is a 2005 997.1 carrera 4s automatic convertible. Despite not driven anything that powerful at the time I wasn't impressed by the performance but loved the handling and engine noise
I own a 6 spd 2008 4S cab, great car but would not call it a super car. Once you drive a Turbo S or GT3 you realize it is a great daily sports car but no super.
Amazing video, smashed it again🤩
Thank you 🙏 it's no Eco-Boost but hey ho 🤷🏻♂️
- Drew
It’s no surprise to me you’re getting (more?) access to Porsches (even though you’re not a Porsche channel, yet) ‘Porsche’ guys generally want to share their cars with other enthusiasts. It’s so rewarding to have a fun car and share that enthusiasm with others. Fun video. Looking forward to the cayman, and 911 turbo, and 3,2 carerra, etc, reviews. ;) Cheers
You two are very likeable 👍 100% definitely supercar. I always stop and stare and say wow
Great vid guys
Thanks dude! 🙏
- Drew
Great vid quality guys. I have a 986 2.7 and to be honest the trim doesn't bother me at all, I love the car. I am interested in the Cayman but would miss the roof down but no worries of leaks or security.
Thank you mate! 🙏
A-men! I love the whole roof down experience (hence why I own 2 Mx5s!) I do have a soft spot for the 986.
How long have you owned the 986? And What has reliability been like?
Thank you for watching!
- Drew
I have changed the coils, plugs, water pump, stat, front discs, serpintine belt as preventative maintenance but have to say its never missed a beat and been away a few times on road trips.
@@accelerateyoutube
18 months
@@accelerateyoutube
Editing is getting awaome drew fairplay pal 👍 ❤
Thank you so much man! 🙏
Always trying new things to keep it fresh! 👌
- Drew
Great video. I have a 987 S 3.4L tiptronic fitted with a pedal commander.... That makes a big difference to the thrill reaching the speeds up to 60mph. I'd love to let you experience it too to see what its like.
Awsome vid 👌
I bet the mini won anyway. 😂. Great video thr constant zoomins on the strong facial reactions, brilliant!
😂😂 almost rear ended us!
Thanks dude! 🙏 strong facial reactions is what I do 💪
- Drew
In the process of rebuilding a carrera s 2005 engine right now due to bore scoring, 3.8 of that era are known for this problem.
Enjoyed the video, very interesting, nicely edited and great scenery. One minor correction, at 3min30 IMS stands for intermediate shaft, not what you said. Thanks for the vid, look forward to the next one.
Thank you, really appreciate the kind words 🙏
I did quietly correct Kenny if you listen quite closely lol
I believe it was a slip of the tongue, as the amount of research we both did was painful lol
Thank you for the support
- Drew
Before I got my 997 and after I got my 997 I never thought of the 911 as a supercar. It's a high end sports car. One of the only last purpose built sports cars left. The others being the Miata, the 86/BRZ, all the exotics of course, the 718, and maybe one or two others I'm forgetting. Chassis and engine built for one intended purpose. Yes, it's a true sports car and that is rare and feels different from a super sporty sedan or coupe based off a mass produced car. However, it's just a sports car that is built in an era where there aren't enough of them. Supercars are sports cars that take it to the next level. I feel that some 911s fit that bill. However, the non Turbo or GT cars are not.
What the "lower end" 911s do great is they actually have amazing engineering. It really is the perfect car for gearheads who want a "practical" car (and a bit of money). I think they have superior engineering and manufacturing processes over cars like Ferrari, Mercedes, and BMW. It is an amazing overall car that literally no car on the road can match in its ability to smply do it all.
Great video lads. For me its a sports touring car....a 'supercar' is a 2 seater in my opinion..exception being the ferrari roma 😂
Thanks man! 🙏
You do have a point, they certainly are designed to be tourers.
I can't bring myself to like the Roma 😬...or any modern Ferrari for that matter 🙈 lol
- Drew
I do like a Porsche, Especially a 911👌 Another Awesome video Kenny and Drew, The editing 👌👌👌 Thanks Lads John 🏴👍 definitely not better than a M3 🤣👍
Thanks John! 🙏
The more modern generation 911s (996 onwards) never really interested me, but they certainly are great cars!
😂😂 we were told to say that! Lol
- Drew
@@accelerateyoutube 🤣👍
911 not better than a M3? You def don't know cars.
Belle vidéo 👌 😉. Super 👌 👍. Je possède un TT Mk2 et je trouve les Porsche magnifiques, un air de TT. Super. 🏴 🇫🇷 👍 😉
Merci pour le soutien comme toujours
Ah, good choice! How long have you owned the Mk2 TT??
- Drew
🇲🇫🏴💪
Merci 👍. Oui je possède un TT Mk2 depuis 4 ans et je suis très content de l'avoir. Le TT est rabaissé par ressorts courts H & R, vitres teintées noires Glastint, sortie echappement chromée, jantes Alu 18 pouces en 245 /40/18. Pirelli P Zéro. Jantes Wolfburg. C'est un Deux litres de 200 cv TFSI. 🏴 🇫🇷 👍 😉Et il est de 2007 👍😉.Et il est sur ma chaîne You Tube 👍 😉
997 C2S has wide body and 3.8l engine, per the C4S, just in 2wd format.
Base Carrera is narrow body with 3.6l.
Small point, but the C2S got the widebody with the 997 model.
As much of a bummer the torque converter is , I think it makes the auto ones perfect as the 'everyday supercar' , if it was harsh and always making you feel excited it would be a weekend toy rather than the everyday car If you get me 🤣🤣 but saying this I'm not the biggest of porsche fans 🙈
Absolutely dude! Kenny drove it most of the day, and he said the auto box was a pleasure.
Yeh, less temptation with an auto box 😂
Thank you for watching as always dude! 🙏
- Drew
My understanding is that it’s the IMS that affects approx 5% of these cars, but bore scoring is due to the inherent design flaw of this engine so will eventually happen to all examples sooner or later. It’s just hoping that you get an example that has had it sorted already, or will happen after the end of your ownership. Is this not correct?
That's not my understanding, it's not a guaranteed thing like you mentioned
no point in buying a weekend car anymore, how fast can you get to 20mph haha
Try the C2S in a 6 speed. So much more full.
We have been told by many that the C2S Manual is by far the better choice for a more engaging drive!
Thank you for watching!
- Drew
I have been in the market for a 997 Porsche and all 4 cars I was super close to buying it was subject to bore scoring results and all 4 came back with some scoring on it. Even with low mileage under 30,000 miles have it. Scoring happens in colder temperature while the car just sits there during the winter months. So I think the scoring on the 997's % is a lot higher than that. To replace the engine due to scoring easily will cost over $30,000 USD. So now I gave up looking for a 997. I am now in the market for a 991.1 manual. It's too bad because the 997 body is perfect size.
997.2 has exactly the same engine as a 991.1 , slightly less tuned. 385bhp vs 400bhp. No bore scorring issues. Get a 997 gen 2.
If they ask you 30 k$, they screw you. In the Netherlands one can have the job done for 12k€-14k€ (with clutch)
Super car , you want to take that out of the tittle 🤔 still a nice looking motor 👍👍👍
Supercar, I wouldnt call a C4S a supercar. Certainly a great sports car and worthy of praise. However short of a 997 Turbo, Turbo S or GT2 spec its not a supercar.
You do have a point, maybe sports car is a bit more accurate.
Compared to some of the cars I own, it's a hypercar 😬🙈
Thank you for watching!
- Drew
@@accelerateyoutube I am admittedlyjaded on HP having owned some 1k whp cars etc... But I love the 997 it's a great platform in my view. I have have two 997.1 Turbos one fully stock and one built with 750whp and one with an LS swap. Looking for another one now as it's just the best of the 911 generations. Modern, but still relatively small
Do you happen to know which side skirt extenders those are? Front lip as well? Thank You!
I will try and find out from the owner.
Thanks
Ken
@@accelerateyoutube Thank you.
I believe the front lip is by Maxton Design
@@Ipodfurybuilt thank you!
Enough haters to go around in the comment section. 'Supercar' is a relative term, not an exact definition. For example, most people consider a 964 turbo a 'supercar'. It gets left in the dust by this car. The haters would say that's an older car and they would be correct. And that's my point. It's all relative to something. If you don't mind, I'm going out for a night drive in my 997.1 C4S. Nite nite haters. 😆
You are absolutely right! This was the point I was trying to make, many say speed defines a supercar, but to me, an RS6 is fast...but by no means a supercar. The arguments could go on & on, but thank you for your open minded reply.
😂 "nite nite haters" that tickled me!
Thank you for watching!
- Drew
@@accelerateyoutube
Enjoyed the video!
You're the first 997 owner that I've heard call his car a supercar. 😁 It's really for nothing to do with hating at all.
@@SpencerF6
I don't call it a supercar, I just object to those who are so adamant that it's not.
Tinted back windows not a fan at all. Needs silver wheels and back lights altered. Lovely models otherwise
My experiences in a 997 has been much LESS people want to try and race me than when I owned my G37, good grief every douchebag on the road with a fart-can Subaru or Honda would want to mess with you and all I'm doing is going to work. Driving the Porsche those same assholes don't even attempt it.
Turbo and Gt3 are supercars not an s .Not by today s standards.Not when a Gof r is just as fast and a Gla 45 is faster..
Back in 2005 when the 997 was released the Golf R or AMG 45 cars were not around. Plus I'd still rather be driving a 997 over any of the said cars in 2024.
Thanks
Ken
Leave out the music ffs
to me fiat 500 super car then. if anyone can call anything a super car.
Nice whip, not a supercar though! 😂
It's not USABLE....IT HAS NO BOOT...hence why i bought a GT-R over a 997 turbo.
We thought the front trunk was quite a decent size in fairness.
A GTR is always a good shout though!
Thank you for watching!
- Drew
No, it isn’t, because it’s not a supercar. 🤷♂️
Hardly a super car .new hatchbacks are faster .
Speed doesn't necessarily define a supercar. This was the discussion we were having: what actually defines a supercar? It seems to be a subjective topic.
- Drew
The 997 was no more reliable than the 996 , in fact the 3.8 is more susceptible to bore scoring .
The 996 is a great 911 , lightweight and the 3.4 is a great revs engine .
So very true. The problem though, is the wrong people that drive em!!! Google "Bavarian Dominator - Review Centre"
@@simonward9369👏 I shan't place a link, but dial into this old TH-cam video
"BMW E39 5 Series Airbag Light Reset".......same dude!! 11 or more different YT channels, with around 9,000 uploaded videos, over a 10 year period. As honest as the day is born!! Phhh ...Scan tool anyone? lol
I know of a pal of yours Carrera, who has a speed yellow 997. See comments section on one of ian sellars boat channel vids.😯
( ian sellars Whitby 2009 )
@@submariner65-mj4cd Same dude on old TH-cam video.. >> "BMW E39 5 Series Airbag Light Reset" ..American Al 😂
Also Google search... " Bavarian Dominator - Review Centre UK"...... then read a selection of his customer reviews. 11 different YT channels, that we know of, and upwards of 9,000 uploaded videos over a 10 year period. WTF!!! Nice honest fella eh!
See .... "iCarsoft Scanning Tool - Jaguar XE Forum"......... See.............."Beware iCarsoft - Mercedes Benz Forum"