To me a writer writes for themselves first. Enjoy telling the story to yourself. If you are entertained then that's what matters. If your lucky someone else will also like the story and want to show the world.
It’s fine to write “your baby” first if that’s what ignites, fuels and compels you to write. Listen to your heart. What’s deeply meaningful to you can result in a better story. Many screenwriters become directors because they want more control over what they’d written and they don’t want their name on something that bombed because other people had made it unrecognizable. If you want more control, write for television rather than for the big screen. It’s easier to submit “your baby” if it was composed as a craft-learning experience.
Yes, I'm on pace to begin shooting one of my passion projects. This "SOULed Out" feature film is derived from what I considered my passion project for years. It began as a short film and expanded into 2 feature length films. I'm taking an unusual approach to filming this as a feature.
I'm writing a script as part of an online learning screenplay process. Once complete I will apply my new knowledge to earlier projects. Goal is to hone my skills and build a varied portfolio of work.
Film Courage I’m constantly bombarded with ideas and inspiration so far it’s ensued me to creat six projects. When I run out of inspiration for one I pick up another.
I really like listening to Shannan. Her enthusiasm, her intentions of helping, she seems nice. I am currently in the middle of introductory virtual classes with film school (we couldn't get the face-to-face class started because of covid-19) and I'm hoping I learn everything I need to be -at least lol- GOOD. Even though I haven't had a single screenwriting class with a teacher or pro I try to learn by myself and absorb everything I can, so your channel is very much helpful. Wishing every member and subscriber a happy and successful path to their dreams!
This is great. When I got into production I thought I wanted to be a Director or DP. When I actually learned what a producer did I realized it was right in line with my past experiences and that changed a lot for me. I think it's important that people really study the different roles in Production to find out what they really want to do and not just look at what may seem like a cool job or position of power. Love these interviews. Thank you Film Courage.
Yes, I am writing a passion project and no I don't possess the skills to execute the idea. However, Film Courage is a venerable fountain of wisdom and inspiration - serving at times as my guiding light and illumination of my ignorance.
My dream is to be able to combine acting with writing so you get to live your own vision and as a matter of fact if you practice writing on professional level and put in a lot of work into your speculative writing you might eventually be able to "Direct" the movie from the pages if you made the director fell in love with your vision... That was the case with "The Social Network" written by Aaron sorkin when the company originally decided to cut down the script but the director David Fincher refused to do so and insisted on producing the script as it is.
Great point about "selling your baby". I see some script ideas as ones that I'm willing to part with. When dealing with Hollywood, they are gonna take that baby and change it. There aren't that many directors like Antoine Fuqua that will bring the original writer to set for rewrites.
Here's a question for film students/teachers, filmmakers, and those in the industry, that's been frustrating me - What IS "good"? Perhaps it comes down to different philosophies from one person to another, but - Is a script/film being "good" or "bad" not an extremely SUBJECTIVE thing? That's what I have heard over and over - that there is no scientifically correct way to do it - it is art. So who gets to decide the quality of your script? Isn't it up to whatever given individual is reading it or watching your film based on it? Isn't there simply no "correct" answer in terms of a film or script's quality (characters, plot, etc.)? Sure, there are conventional things like structure, but I'd argue you can bend some of those "rules" as many successful filmmakers do. So what is the deal?
After loads of research on screenwriting, I can confidently answer: "A good concept" is not the same as "presentable to a producer". "Good" in this context, translates to "presentable and professionally crafted". Yes, each idea will have a different audience (the subjectivity of art you mentioned) but from her professional lens, a good screenplay is one that is polished, has clear story beats/direction and tells the story in a way that's easy for the reader to follow. Whether the material itself is interesting or not is up to the writer, you can have the most perfectly crafted script in the world, but the premise isn't very interesting. It's basically: Is it a good story told badly, or a bad story told really well?
How do you become a creative producer without writing or a lot of money? I write a lot, but Shannan said you could just become a producer instead. I'm wondering how to make that possible :)
And that's why the industry is at the state that it is now. I recently watched Malignant and I was thinking "who the hell wrote this mess?". Well, probably nobody, it was first a good script and after countless rewrites from different writers, it became this Frankestein of a story.
It’s weird reading this because that movie is EXCELLENT. Didn’t see it as a writer but as an audience. I really liked the concept and the plot. And at the end of the day that’s the goal for every writer, writing something that audience feels.
I think the experience one gets not knowing story structure and just putting together a sequence of scenes is invaluable. Finishing the first screenplay is invaluable (as to bolstering one's confidence). Your work will be garbage. When you are serious about doing it right, learn craft.
This lady would be the best mentor... I'm stuck watching these awesome videos and have plenty of ideas but don't know where to start!! Do I write all ideas down (characters, world etc.) then go on to creating character profiles before starting the plot/outline??? I'M SOOOOOO CONFUSED! PLEASE ANY GUIDANCE IS WELCOMED WITH OPEN ARMS 🤗
They have a video about it, whether you should start by plot or characters, it was uploaded about 3 months ago so you should be able to find it on their channel
Hi L B, we have a segment where Shannan talks about the process of starting a screenplay - th-cam.com/video/1NyOocKMJ1w/w-d-xo.html We also think this compilation might be helpful - th-cam.com/video/gRQwbRtsebw/w-d-xo.html And here is the video that Miranda is referencing - th-cam.com/video/wCiOUNCpQzQ/w-d-xo.html
Working on a few projects. I have my passion(baby) project though.. I haven't started writing it yet though. I'm a professional writer at the bottom though working on telling people what I can do. I'm currently working on 2 screenplays based off of 2 different stories 2 people gave to me. Love what I do. Learned a lot from Shannan though. Great video. Need to let the script speak fpr itself sometimes though. I feel I put to many "directors notes" in my scripts. Is that a problem with screenwriting?
For a long time, I had been thinking I wanted to be a writer. Nope, I never wanted to be a writer, I wanted to tell stories, and that's the reason I'm a visual storyteller today. I have to know some tools that writers use, like structure, pace, form, etc. However, I'm NOT a writer. Never thought about me working in the movie industry, but if I was invited to work in this industry, I'd be a film editor, slicing and sewing scenes, probably. Not a director or a writer. "Are you writing your passion project right now?" YES! "Do you feel you have the skills to execute the idea?" YES! People pay me to help them with their projects. I know I can do it for mine. And when I don't know how to do something, I outsource the task or make a partnership. And I never forget that done is better than perfect.
@@diabloakland That's good. It's important to know yourself so that you don't waste time doing things that you don't want to do and don't even realize that you don't want to do them.
I am writing the best thing I can imagine because I know I have ideas, and that won't go away. I am writing the biggest budget spectacle movie I can imagine because why shouldn't I give the readers a thrill? If it gets made it can be cut to shape.
Awesome. A million scripts will die in an agent's desk or in the writer's idea bin. Then Michael Cimino comes along, with his calling card script, which the studio not only purchased but engaged him to direct: 'Thunderbolt and Lightfoot' got made. (That was ~1974, but it happens, even to this day) Good energy with yours!
I want to take your course and fine hone my writing skills. I have written a book and had a poem published in a magazine and written about 5 movie ideas and 2 tv pilots. Thank you for sharing your wealth if info. I feel Im a writer who wants to sell my ideas to those who will produce it to film or tv. Thanks and God bless u 😊
Okay, technically to answer the question, Yes... Yes, I am... However, full disclaimer up front... I'm a Game Master, currently in the beginning throws of a passion project, so I'm world-building for a Steampunk Setting for Gurps... A Role Playing System. (lolz) I can say, however, for those who wonder what it's like to create in a collaborative situation, there's NOTHING like TTRPG's. Pick up a few books to master a system, just pick one... literally any one that you read the "blurb" about and think "cool"... and give GM'ing a shot. Build your world, plots, monsters and relationships (Like the Necromancer obviously rules over Undead)... AND find some Players (dime a dozen right now) and throw a game together... VERY QUICKLY, you're going to come to realize that all the planning in the world you've put into this huge elaborate Campaign... is out the window. You'll be "off-book" in a matter of minutes (if you're lucky) and forced to knit together the plots and sub-plots you'd written in a background situation (or just burn the pages and follow along as the Players go)... You're incredible work will be twisted and changed and turned upside down THE MOMENT it reaches Player Characters! No, the Players do NOT hate the GM. They generally love their GM's. They don't destroy our plans out of spite or for some sadistic glee. It's the nature of the Game... No plan EVER survives first contact with the Players. They don't know what you've hoped to put together. They have no way to know unless you're trying to "railroad" them into your picture... BUT then if you "embrace" the collab... It's liberating. You build the "Big Bad Evil Guy" and his whole veritable army of underlings, mooks, and mazes for monstrosities... AND then live to tell the PLAYERS' stories... Pull them together and get their stories out to intertwine and bind as they crash and bang and wander amok through your world, and it's SOOOOoooo much more fun. It can create some of the wildest and greatest stories ever... stuff you'd have NEVER thought of on your own. I've been a part of a few scripts (Theatrical... I live not so very far from THE Abingdon Barter Theater)... AND I can promise you, as you write out your visionary script... The MOMENT it reaches a Director's hands, it's going to start to evolve and mutate... running hopelessly "off-book" just the same as my Players take off with my Campaigns. While I would never expect (nor frankly recommend) a proper "full" RPG Campaign to be turned directly into a movie or series... I'm confident the experience of watching your own work get smashed down and sideways and then built back up (provided you let it) by the Players is a GREAT way to learn that prerequisite detachment... To become able to "let go" of your "baby"(ies) and watch them take on a life of their own. You kind of have to have a "slay the writer" perspective when writing for elaborately collaborative works like theater or cinema. "Nature of the Beast"... If you DO want a "quick start" recommendation, I'd go out on a limb and suggest D&D. Fifth edition has been drastically "streamlined" so much simpler than it was in 2e (my most played edition)... AND with "Roll20" or "Runescape" available FREE online, there are quite a few "D&D Knock-off's" out there to pick through on a budget... If you're a fan of Sci-fi, "Star Wars" has an RPG... AND if you'd rather something Noir or fundamentally "Horror" or "Suspense/Thriller", Call of Cthulu is available, to satisfy investigating and running and screaming and even going insane... There's literally something for everyone in RPG's. ;o)
This is insanely helpful and confusing lol... I just started working on my first script (my baby) and I've spent so much time and effort on it I think I'd be physically ill if I sold it and the director completely changed the vision... I guess I need to learn to be a producer or director??
I have script but need it fixing. Very powerful concept, I need support develope it, I haven't, 'Final Draft'.. I have written 'word template ' Can Any help me for convet into 'Final Draft'
I know that Shannan is explaining the reality of the business. But this portion of the full interview is making me sad and nervous. I know if I get lucky, I'll have to live with it. But I still want to hear more of what she has to say.
Hello:) can you please ask shannan, if a writer, directe her/his script and acting in his/her script? how to make that happen and how to get the money to fild the script. Jaime 💡❤❤❤
I'm in the middle of writing my first script, it's a movie that's meant to be the start of a cinematic universe. I know I'm kind of jumping the gun with this idea since its my first script, but it's the kind of extensive story no one's really tried yet. I know I could probably make this story into a book, comic, or graphic novel, however this is the kind of story I believe needs to be seen on the big screen or at least on a streaming service as a full length movie as I feel anything else won't do the story justice. Here's a hint of the first movie. #KingArthurVSBlackKnight
I wrote my first script, now I am producing it, i am also the assistant director. If you don’t have much experience, like me, you want to make sure you surround yourself with talented people who will know what you don’t know. No sense in having everyone on set asking the same questions with no one to answer them.
I can’t be the only aspiring actor that watches these religiously. Comment if you want to be on the other side of the camera! Let’s support each other🖤
I like you Shannan...you have Good Energy...like Goddess Inanna...as Screenwriter we'd be Perfect...trying to get something made with Angie...if l do...
I have no interest in being part of the process. I'll be more than happy just to sell a script and let them do whatever they want with it. Frankly at this point I'm proud of myself just to finish my first draft. That's a win!
Shortest script in the word: A horse walks into a bar and the bar man says "Why the long face?" We have characters, a location, a beginning and something happens at the end. You are telling a story, just like what your idiot boss did or said today. It is all about story. STORY STORY STORY. Never mind camera angles or special effects. YOU ARE JUST TELLING US ALL A STORY. That is writing. Period. If you have got a great story you can shoot it on your iPhone and people will watch it...and love it. The only mistake you can make is...you don't have a good story. Period.
it actually sickens me to hear about the pyramid, not surprised of course artists always starve because the people with the money are always willing to exploit them and take what they have to make it their own, wonder how many movies would be better if the writers had more say in their own work. but of course its always profits over people no wonder there is so much garbage movies. i was a costumer with a degree in fashion and patternmaking, not one costumer i met knew how to even sew a button on a shirt, let alone draw a costume and no clue about historical precedence, just a lot of rich producers daughters or girlfriends that liked to go shopping for their new wardrobe at the expense of the movies budget. no wonder we adore master paintings and architecture years later... we miss the artist not the guy who commissioned or bought it!
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Well fuck a duck! I would definitely not try to bogart the filming, but i really think i could help. Im an artist too so much of the visuals of my work are already in ny head. If the peoduction ran into a problem, id be there to help out. Although in my case i would hypothetically be too busy writing the 3rd book to get too involved in the minutia of filming.
Helll Nahh!! How you writes an story for 1 year and more, sell it and not being in the project. Plus they rewrite your story ( i accept that ) but they place you at the bottom. Tf? 😂 So when the movie will be out on TV and if they fail and everybody say its trash, They gonna put this on your back??💀😂 Hell Nah!! I didn’t even was on the set of MY MOvie. We have to fight.
TLDR She just took 9 minutes to say "if you sell a script someone will likely change it" There are many different jobs involved in making a film. You're welcome
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Im sorry lady... But producers are NOT artists... Youre extremely wrong with that... Producers are technicians/ruiners of art... Just pay for the production and let the REAL ARTIST, the director, do his thing...
I simply loved Shannan's energy and enthusiasm. You can tell how passionate she is about the process.
"don't practice on your baby, practice on some other idea."
YES
Exactly!
To me a writer writes for themselves first. Enjoy telling the story to yourself. If you are entertained then that's what matters. If your lucky someone else will also like the story and want to show the world.
exactly, to many fingers in the pot spoils the outcome and leads to mediocrity
It’s fine to write “your baby” first if that’s what ignites, fuels and compels you to write. Listen to your heart. What’s deeply meaningful to you can result in a better story.
Many screenwriters become directors because they want more control over what they’d written and they don’t want their name on something that bombed because other people had made it unrecognizable.
If you want more control, write for television rather than for the big screen.
It’s easier to submit “your baby” if it was composed as a craft-learning experience.
I love this lady's interviews... and if she already isn't an actress, I suggest she considers it - she'd be great delivering #Sorkin dialouge
I love writing, I love directing, I like producing, but I have the most fun editing. It’s all so cool to learn, and you’ll never stop learning.
Are you writing your passion project right now? Do you feel you have the skills to execute the idea?
Film Courage Started writing mine and realized I didn’t know exactly where I wanted to take it yet.. brainstorming
Writing 1 of many passion projects now. Not my first, but hopefully my first to be produced.
Yes, I'm on pace to begin shooting one of my passion projects. This "SOULed Out" feature film is derived from what I considered my passion project for years. It began as a short film and expanded into 2 feature length films. I'm taking an unusual approach to filming this as a feature.
I'm writing a script as part of an online learning screenplay process. Once complete I will apply my new knowledge to earlier projects. Goal is to hone my skills and build a varied portfolio of work.
Film Courage I’m constantly bombarded with ideas and inspiration so far it’s ensued me to creat six projects. When I run out of inspiration for one I pick up another.
I know I already said this but WHOA! So articulate and such a great communicator! Great advice and well delivered.
She determinated and direct. I enjoyed her words.
Thanks Shannan.
And for film courage, just keep the tempo, you are the channel on my app.
I really like listening to Shannan. Her enthusiasm, her intentions of helping, she seems nice. I am currently in the middle of introductory virtual classes with film school (we couldn't get the face-to-face class started because of covid-19) and I'm hoping I learn everything I need to be -at least lol- GOOD. Even though I haven't had a single screenwriting class with a teacher or pro I try to learn by myself and absorb everything I can, so your channel is very much helpful. Wishing every member and subscriber a happy and successful path to their dreams!
This is great. When I got into production I thought I wanted to be a Director or DP. When I actually learned what a producer did I realized it was right in line with my past experiences and that changed a lot for me. I think it's important that people really study the different roles in Production to find out what they really want to do and not just look at what may seem like a cool job or position of power. Love these interviews. Thank you Film Courage.
Thanks Kenny, we appreciate you spending some time with us.
Yes, I am writing a passion project and no I don't possess the skills to execute the idea. However, Film Courage is a venerable fountain of wisdom and inspiration - serving at times as my guiding light and illumination of my ignorance.
Shannan, you're amazing. Thanks film courage for all you do.
My dream is to be able to combine acting with writing so you get to live your own vision and as a matter of fact if you practice writing on professional level and put in a lot of work into your speculative writing you might eventually be able to "Direct" the movie from the pages if you made the director fell in love with your vision... That was the case with "The Social Network" written by Aaron sorkin when the company originally decided to cut down the script but the director David Fincher refused to do so and insisted on producing the script as it is.
Probably hard to combine them but if Mr. Bean did it so can you. Best of luck.
Great point about "selling your baby". I see some script ideas as ones that I'm willing to part with. When dealing with Hollywood, they are gonna take that baby and change it. There aren't that many directors like Antoine Fuqua that will bring the original writer to set for rewrites.
Wow, she's really good and makes a whole lot of sense. You can learn a lot from Shannan. Excellent interview. Bravo.
Shannan is great ☀️
Here's a question for film students/teachers, filmmakers, and those in the industry, that's been frustrating me - What IS "good"?
Perhaps it comes down to different philosophies from one person to another, but -
Is a script/film being "good" or "bad" not an extremely SUBJECTIVE thing? That's what I have heard over and over - that there is no scientifically correct way to do it - it is art. So who gets to decide the quality of your script? Isn't it up to whatever given individual is reading it or watching your film based on it? Isn't there simply no "correct" answer in terms of a film or script's quality (characters, plot, etc.)? Sure, there are conventional things like structure, but I'd argue you can bend some of those "rules" as many successful filmmakers do. So what is the deal?
After loads of research on screenwriting, I can confidently answer:
"A good concept" is not the same as "presentable to a producer". "Good" in this context, translates to "presentable and professionally crafted".
Yes, each idea will have a different audience (the subjectivity of art you mentioned) but from her professional lens, a good screenplay is one that is polished, has clear story beats/direction and tells the story in a way that's easy for the reader to follow.
Whether the material itself is interesting or not is up to the writer, you can have the most perfectly crafted script in the world, but the premise isn't very interesting.
It's basically: Is it a good story told badly, or a bad story told really well?
Absolutely agree with her, definitely Learnt from her
One of the more captivating and informative interviews.
Shannon is awesome.
Thank you. God bless,
Cheers Jo Ann!
How do you become a creative producer without writing or a lot of money? I write a lot, but Shannan said you could just become a producer instead. I'm wondering how to make that possible :)
And that's why the industry is at the state that it is now.
I recently watched Malignant and I was thinking "who the hell wrote this mess?". Well, probably nobody, it was first a good script and after countless rewrites from different writers, it became this Frankestein of a story.
It’s weird reading this because that movie is EXCELLENT. Didn’t see it as a writer but as an audience. I really liked the concept and the plot. And at the end of the day that’s the goal for every writer, writing something that audience feels.
I actually liked that movie. It wasn’t perfect or even that great but it was interesting and i enjoyed that process
I think the experience one gets not knowing story structure and just putting together a sequence of scenes is invaluable. Finishing the first screenplay is invaluable (as to bolstering one's confidence). Your work will be garbage. When you are serious about doing it right, learn craft.
Exactly
This lady would be the best mentor... I'm stuck watching these awesome videos and have plenty of ideas but don't know where to start!! Do I write all ideas down (characters, world etc.) then go on to creating character profiles before starting the plot/outline???
I'M SOOOOOO CONFUSED! PLEASE ANY GUIDANCE IS WELCOMED WITH OPEN ARMS 🤗
They have a video about it, whether you should start by plot or characters, it was uploaded about 3 months ago so you should be able to find it on their channel
Hi L B, we have a segment where Shannan talks about the process of starting a screenplay - th-cam.com/video/1NyOocKMJ1w/w-d-xo.html We also think this compilation might be helpful - th-cam.com/video/gRQwbRtsebw/w-d-xo.html And here is the video that Miranda is referencing - th-cam.com/video/wCiOUNCpQzQ/w-d-xo.html
Write something good, and all the rest is just BS.
Any updates? Did you start it up?
So glad I came to this. So informative.
Working on a few projects. I have my passion(baby) project though.. I haven't started writing it yet though. I'm a professional writer at the bottom though working on telling people what I can do. I'm currently working on 2 screenplays based off of 2 different stories 2 people gave to me. Love what I do. Learned a lot from Shannan though. Great video. Need to let the script speak fpr itself sometimes though. I feel I put to many "directors notes" in my scripts. Is that a problem with screenwriting?
This lady is so eloquent.
Well spoken and insightful
Great!!! Thank you!!! I' m going to take care of my baby!!
For a long time, I had been thinking I wanted to be a writer. Nope, I never wanted to be a writer, I wanted to tell stories, and that's the reason I'm a visual storyteller today. I have to know some tools that writers use, like structure, pace, form, etc. However, I'm NOT a writer. Never thought about me working in the movie industry, but if I was invited to work in this industry, I'd be a film editor, slicing and sewing scenes, probably. Not a director or a writer.
"Are you writing your passion project right now?" YES!
"Do you feel you have the skills to execute the idea?" YES! People pay me to help them with their projects. I know I can do it for mine. And when I don't know how to do something, I outsource the task or make a partnership. And I never forget that done is better than perfect.
Same here. I kinda knew i didn’t wanna write too much but i tried to. I knew i wanted to tell stories. I am more of a director big picture person
@@diabloakland That's good. It's important to know yourself so that you don't waste time doing things that you don't want to do and don't even realize that you don't want to do them.
Are there any good resources for the differences between all the jobs when making movies/tv/etc.?
For the longest, I couldn't tell you the difference between a cinematographer and the director to save my life.
I am writing the best thing I can imagine because I know I have ideas, and that won't go away. I am writing the biggest budget spectacle movie I can imagine because why shouldn't I give the readers a thrill? If it gets made it can be cut to shape.
Awesome. A million scripts will die in an agent's desk or in the writer's idea bin. Then Michael Cimino comes along, with his calling card script, which the studio not only purchased but engaged him to direct: 'Thunderbolt and Lightfoot' got made. (That was ~1974, but it happens, even to this day) Good energy with yours!
Haha hell yah! I am right there with you Thumper.
Interesting perspective.
My role in filmmaking are the Director, Editor, Writer & some times the Producer.
"A lot of people aren't that great with the English language period." Amen!
I would be so happy if they just paid me and gave me credit in the bylines. "Adapted from ..."
I want to take your course and fine hone my writing skills. I have written a book and had a poem published in a magazine and written about 5 movie ideas and 2 tv pilots. Thank you for sharing your wealth if info. I feel Im a writer who wants to sell my ideas to those who will produce it to film or tv.
Thanks and God bless u 😊
Okay, technically to answer the question, Yes... Yes, I am...
However, full disclaimer up front... I'm a Game Master, currently in the beginning throws of a passion project, so I'm world-building for a Steampunk Setting for Gurps... A Role Playing System. (lolz)
I can say, however, for those who wonder what it's like to create in a collaborative situation, there's NOTHING like TTRPG's. Pick up a few books to master a system, just pick one... literally any one that you read the "blurb" about and think "cool"... and give GM'ing a shot. Build your world, plots, monsters and relationships (Like the Necromancer obviously rules over Undead)... AND find some Players (dime a dozen right now) and throw a game together...
VERY QUICKLY, you're going to come to realize that all the planning in the world you've put into this huge elaborate Campaign... is out the window. You'll be "off-book" in a matter of minutes (if you're lucky) and forced to knit together the plots and sub-plots you'd written in a background situation (or just burn the pages and follow along as the Players go)... You're incredible work will be twisted and changed and turned upside down THE MOMENT it reaches Player Characters!
No, the Players do NOT hate the GM. They generally love their GM's. They don't destroy our plans out of spite or for some sadistic glee. It's the nature of the Game... No plan EVER survives first contact with the Players. They don't know what you've hoped to put together. They have no way to know unless you're trying to "railroad" them into your picture...
BUT then if you "embrace" the collab... It's liberating. You build the "Big Bad Evil Guy" and his whole veritable army of underlings, mooks, and mazes for monstrosities... AND then live to tell the PLAYERS' stories... Pull them together and get their stories out to intertwine and bind as they crash and bang and wander amok through your world, and it's SOOOOoooo much more fun. It can create some of the wildest and greatest stories ever... stuff you'd have NEVER thought of on your own.
I've been a part of a few scripts (Theatrical... I live not so very far from THE Abingdon Barter Theater)... AND I can promise you, as you write out your visionary script... The MOMENT it reaches a Director's hands, it's going to start to evolve and mutate... running hopelessly "off-book" just the same as my Players take off with my Campaigns.
While I would never expect (nor frankly recommend) a proper "full" RPG Campaign to be turned directly into a movie or series... I'm confident the experience of watching your own work get smashed down and sideways and then built back up (provided you let it) by the Players is a GREAT way to learn that prerequisite detachment... To become able to "let go" of your "baby"(ies) and watch them take on a life of their own.
You kind of have to have a "slay the writer" perspective when writing for elaborately collaborative works like theater or cinema. "Nature of the Beast"...
If you DO want a "quick start" recommendation, I'd go out on a limb and suggest D&D. Fifth edition has been drastically "streamlined" so much simpler than it was in 2e (my most played edition)... AND with "Roll20" or "Runescape" available FREE online, there are quite a few "D&D Knock-off's" out there to pick through on a budget... If you're a fan of Sci-fi, "Star Wars" has an RPG... AND if you'd rather something Noir or fundamentally "Horror" or "Suspense/Thriller", Call of Cthulu is available, to satisfy investigating and running and screaming and even going insane... There's literally something for everyone in RPG's. ;o)
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This is insanely helpful and confusing lol... I just started working on my first script (my baby) and I've spent so much time and effort on it I think I'd be physically ill if I sold it and the director completely changed the vision... I guess I need to learn to be a producer or director??
Great intreview
I have script but need it fixing. Very powerful concept, I need support develope it, I haven't, 'Final Draft'.. I have written 'word template '
Can Any help me for convet into 'Final Draft'
I know that Shannan is explaining the reality of the business. But this portion of the full interview is making me sad and nervous. I know if I get lucky, I'll have to live with it. But I still want to hear more of what she has to say.
Hello:) can you please ask shannan, if a writer, directe her/his script and acting in his/her script? how to make that happen and how to get the money to fild the script.
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Don't bond with your baby too much for eventually you will have to sell it.
I'm in the middle of writing my first script, it's a movie that's meant to be the start of a cinematic universe. I know I'm kind of jumping the gun with this idea since its my first script, but it's the kind of extensive story no one's really tried yet.
I know I could probably make this story into a book, comic, or graphic novel, however this is the kind of story I believe needs to be seen on the big screen or at least on a streaming service as a full length movie as I feel anything else won't do the story justice. Here's a hint of the first movie. #KingArthurVSBlackKnight
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I want to write and be the producer. Also I possibly want to be a director
Get out there and do all of them! It's a lot of fun!
I wrote my first script, now I am producing it, i am also the assistant director. If you don’t have much experience, like me, you want to make sure you surround yourself with talented people who will know what you don’t know. No sense in having everyone on set asking the same questions with no one to answer them.
Work on it, man! The work will pave a way.
Honestly same
Very informative....good ..1,
Does she teach anywhere?...these interviews featuring her inspire me to want to take a formal class.
Hi Isaac, definitely check out her website (linked in the info section) to see what she is offering at this time.
Her website is not up. Any other way to find out about her online classes?
Shannan's website is listed in the information section. We had no trouble accessing the site.
Film Courage Interesting. Wasn’t there when I tried
Hopefully it is up and running for you now?
Was going to a different site. Didn’t see her info here. Much thanks.
Glad you found the right one.
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I look forward hearing a reply on my newest letter to Film Courage to you all
I left my baby so I could practice on another idea.
Now the new idea has become my new baby!
I think if I were to try to make a list of skills needed by an athlete, I would miss a lot of them
The biggest problem with first scripts is that they are a confusing mess because the writer doesn't yet understand how screenplay writing works.
I can’t be the only aspiring actor that watches these religiously. Comment if you want to be on the other side of the camera! Let’s support each other🖤
I’m also an actor! I also love directing too
"Honor the process"
All of this is changing very soon
Yesss don’t practice on your baby
I like you Shannan...you have Good Energy...like Goddess Inanna...as Screenwriter we'd be Perfect...trying to get something made with Angie...if l do...
I have no interest in being part of the process. I'll be more than happy just to sell a script and let them do whatever they want with it. Frankly at this point I'm proud of myself just to finish my first draft. That's a win!
I've got to sell my baby? Love it!
The amount of grammatical issues and spelling errors in the comment section is troubling.
*number of grammatical issues
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Ah yes this is just as important as an essay due before deadline... Dumbass
Shortest script in the word: A horse walks into a bar and the bar man says "Why the long face?" We have characters, a location, a beginning and something happens at the end. You are telling a story, just like what your idiot boss did or said today. It is all about story. STORY STORY STORY. Never mind camera angles or special effects. YOU ARE JUST TELLING US ALL A STORY. That is writing. Period. If you have got a great story you can shoot it on your iPhone and people will watch it...and love it. The only mistake you can make is...you don't have a good story. Period.
Did you hear about the naive young actress who was so clueless, she slept with the screenwriter?
it actually sickens me to hear about the pyramid, not surprised of course artists always starve because the people with the money are always willing to exploit them and take what they have to make it their own, wonder how many movies would be better if the writers had more say in their own work. but of course its always profits over people no wonder there is so much garbage movies. i was a costumer with a degree in fashion and patternmaking, not one costumer i met knew how to even sew a button on a shirt, let alone draw a costume and no clue about historical precedence, just a lot of rich producers daughters or girlfriends that liked to go shopping for their new wardrobe at the expense of the movies budget. no wonder we adore master paintings and architecture years later... we miss the artist not the guy who commissioned or bought it!
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But I want to sell my baby 😔
Well fuck a duck! I would definitely not try to bogart the filming, but i really think i could help. Im an artist too so much of the visuals of my work are already in ny head. If the peoduction ran into a problem, id be there to help out. Although in my case i would hypothetically be too busy writing the 3rd book to get too involved in the minutia of filming.
Helll Nahh!! How you writes an story for 1 year and more, sell it and not being in the project. Plus they rewrite your story ( i accept that ) but they place you at the bottom. Tf? 😂 So when the movie will be out on TV and if they fail and everybody say its trash, They gonna put this on your back??💀😂 Hell Nah!! I didn’t even was on the set of MY MOvie.
We have to fight.
Can’t your baby just be your first rough draft? And you just…keep taking care of it?
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She just took 9 minutes to say "if you sell a script someone will likely change it"
There are many different jobs involved in making a film.
You're welcome
I like her but SHE HAS NO CREDITS!
Lame. Her attitude is terrible. That's why you choose who you sell your script to.
i will sell my baby
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Im sorry lady... But producers are NOT artists... Youre extremely wrong with that... Producers are technicians/ruiners of art... Just pay for the production and let the REAL ARTIST, the director, do his thing...
It doesn't sound like she respects writers or writing. Eww writers.