How to EXPOSE SLOG3 Correctly - Sony A7IV - FX3 - A7sIII - FX30 - Settings & Exposure - CINEMATIC
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- How to EXPOSE SLOG3 Correctly - Sony A7IV - FX3 - A7sIII - FX30 - Settings & Exposure - CINEMATIC
In this video I’m sharing my personal approach to exposing for Sony S-Log3 WITH and WITHOUT an external monitor. I also touch on why you don’t have to overexpose and the dangers of blindly trusting the multimeter.
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In this video I’m sharing my personal approach to exposing for Sony S-Log3 WITH and WITHOUT an external monitor. I also touch on why you don’t always have to overexpose and the dangers of blindly trusting the multimeter. The popular opinion is to overexpose and shoot between +1.7 and +2.0 & although I often follow this method, it can result in a lot more work. Unlike previous generation Sony cams, on the A7sIII, A7IV, FX3 & FX6, exposing correctly for skintones WILL NOT give you noise in the shadows especially when using the Phantom LUTS bit.ly/3cqdikV Slightly overexposing will give you more detail in the lows but you also sacrifice some range in your highs. Overexposing means more time in post where getting the perfect exposure is simply a click away from a beautiful image. Here you get deeper blacks but a more pleasant rolloff in the highlights, the choice is up to you! #howto #expose #slog3 #sonya7sIII #sonyFX3 #sonyA7IV #cinematic #settings #exposure
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I use a Sony a7iii which LUT pack would u suggest.
the one for FS7, FS5 and other Legacy Alpha cameras@@GEFitness
I have another question for you :) Your Zebra Values for C1 and C2 are ment to use with the gamma assits turned on, right? So in this case, the zebra values on the pure log-footage would be different, same story, when you are using the pantom luts for example, right? Can you provide, which C1 and C2 values you use for monitoring with the pantom neutral lut? thanks a lot!!
Zebras only monitor the log profile so they will show at the correct value no matter if you use gamma assist or not at 52ire. If you were to use zebras on rec709 not slog footage then light skin tones should be around 65 ire@@eike.zender
Finally - someone did it - they finally articulated the problem with relying solely on the In Camera Meter - you're a Godsend Jacques! Great stuff brother :)
Yeeeew thanks Joel, really appreciate that coming from you! It's been bothering me for a long time so I hope this will shed some light on the issue :)
💯 brother!
Eloquently bro, thank you
Jacques, this video is brilliantly concise and phenomenally well put together. I can clearly see the sheer amount of work that was invested. Striving for perfection indeed. Good to see Paige in the video as well!
Yaaas yaaas thanks brother, that means so much to me! Also glad you introduced Paige, was awesome working with her!
Thanks for this. I think the most important thing you touched on was exposing with the camera meter! 99% of people get it wrong and you gave a much more accurate & practical use case for it! Using these methods and Joels (Phantom) LUTs = perfection!
Lekka bru, so glad to hear that! I also got confused by the meter readings so I simply had to figure it out. Thanks for taking the time to comment, hope you have an awesome festive season!
This is what I call high quality content! Thank you, Jacques!
Thank you so much Maxim, glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you so much for making this video! I was always confused on how to expose slog 3. This video really cleared my doubts! Can't wait for more! 💪
Yay thanks for your feedback, so glad I could help Imran!
This is exactly what I needed! Your channel is a Godsend bro! Excellent production quality, easy to understand explanation, and cinematically engaging at the same time🔥👌🏾
Thanks Joshua, you have no idea how much I appreciate your words. Thanks for your support!
This is incredible. I think you used the least amount of words possible to teach this. Your words to knowledge ratio has to be 1:100, mind blown. Thanks so much!!
Aaaaaaw man that makes me so glad to hear, really means a lot! Thank you Zach, only a pleasure!
Hi Jacques. Thanks for sharing your views on exposing and grading SLOG3. These tips are precise, to the point and super helpful. The best part is that you've explained things using real world examples. Thanks a heap man! Cheers from Aus.
Yeeew thanks Patrick, so glad to hear that man! I hope to make many more like this one! Cheers from South Africa
Fantastic video man. I was hoping for an Slog-3 tutorial from one of my favorite TH-camrs, and here it was!
Thanks Jonathan, so grateful for your support! I've been meaning to make this for a while!
That is so comprehensive. Lekker vid bru keep up this content
You made it all make sense! Exposing SLOG3 has always been a head scratcher for me but this made it all come full circle!
So glad to hear that, thanks Jade! Hope you get much better results going forward!
I love your videos man! Straight to the point and very informative.
Thank you so much!
That means a lot, thanks Joshy I will try to keep it that way!
You make my favorite camera videos on youtube hands down. Thanks so much dude!
Woaaah that's a big compliment, thank you Jonah!
Thank you for this video. When exposing do you set your ISO to auto in order to have control on your MM or the oppsite ? Other youtubers say that we should always aim at ISO 800 to achieve best results.
Hi and thanks for your channel! A very rookie question. Would these ways of gauging exposure work on a more basic 8-bit camera like the zv-e10?
Excellent video, thanks! I'd been over-exposing 1.3 to 1.7 stops every time I shot in S-Log3, just because that's what most people say to do, but in my office set-up I'd always be struggling to bring back my highlights far enough. Exposing by eye using a monitor LUT is definitely bringing better results, will be testing out the spot metering soon though. Thanks again, great work 👊
Thanks bro, I fully understand what you mean! I also had the same experience and eventually started relying more on my eyes. I guess it's a combination of things, so for now I first try the camera's tools and then double check it with my eyes.
Which monitor lut do you use?
@@jacques_crafford how are you getting that spot meter to move around? LOL
thanks boss, is the Gamma Display Assist better than using a LUT? Does it replace the loaded LUT? thanks in advance.
I have watched many fx3 creator videos, Your definitely clearly the best shot. These are some nice scenes. I have been watching crap footage examples for weeks. :)
super informative, thank you
Best Video I ve seen in this topic! And amazing footage to look at along the way. What a beautiful Model and scenery
Thank you so much, really glad to hear that! I feel like there's still lots to be said about it but this is a start!
Love the videos dude. If im shooting on the go, say travel films, could I use a Rec709 LUT in camera just to help me get the correct exposure quickly and then use the phantom luts in post?
This is such an excellent breakdown. I've learnt heaps from this. Many thanks!!
Really happy to hear this. Thank you for taking the time to comment, your support means a lot to me! 🙏
thank you so much for explaining the problem with multi-meter .. and also thanks for the tips for using zebras on different situations.. best tutorial of exposing slog3 on TH-cam.. (y)
So glad to hear, only a pleasure! Thanks Nafis!
def gotta try out the spot metering!
Thanks again for the awesome information! You always put out such great videos!
Thanks for your wonderful support Timmy, really glad to hear you enjoyed it!
What a great breakdown on exposing, thank you.
Thanks Antonio, grateful for your feedback!
Shooting my short film this weekend and binging all your videos before I step on set!
That's a HUGE compliment. Thank you, hope the sort film was fun! 🙏
I purchased phantom luts using ur code Thank you my friend 😊😊
I'm new to the Sony ecosystem and this is incredibly helpful. Thanks, Jacques!
So glad to hear that Will, thanks for taking the time to write this!
Amazing video! One question you use auto iso ? our manual ISO filming with Slog3? Thank you :D
"I have A7SIII"
that is needed! this is the best tutorial on the subject. thanks for sharing, Jacques. I'm looking forward to your alphauniverse content!
Thanks Niklas, that means a lot to me! Hope you enjoy the grading tutorial!
You're amazing ! Thanks for all the great videos. Learning a lot!
Thanks you are most kind, so glad to hear that!
Enjoyed this video. Always love seeing other workflows! Just a note that to get maximum dynamic range, you'd actually want to ETTR, not expose in the manner you're suggesting. Love your end look though! I was never fully happy with Phantom LUTs and ended up with Leeming LUTs as my go-to for technical conversions, which require an ETTR method to squeeze out the full range.
Yeah I got you man, I actually enjoy doing Color Space Transform in DaVinci but for quicker turnarounds, the Phantom Luts are simply amazing!
I'm commenting because I want this video to reach more people. GREAT VIDEO🙏
Thank you for the kind gesture! 🔥
Dang man, what a great and helpful video! Thank you!
You're most welcome, thanks for taking the time to give feedback :)
Amazing video! Thanks for making it. Love your work. One question, why does the smoke affect the multi metering when the ‘face priority in multi metering’ is on? Doesn’t that setting mean the meter will only adjust based off the exposure of the face? (Thus ignoring lighting changes around/behind the subject?). Thanks.
Thanks Mitchell, really appreciate your feedback! You're absolutely right, it is supposed to do that but I turned it off in this example to illustrate my point since one doesn't always have a face to expose for and too many people are preaching that simply trusting the multimeter is the way to go. I have found that when face priority in multimetering is on, the average also goes down a little bit lower because it's considering the face as midtones.
Very impressive tutorial! Thanks!
So glad to hear that you're welcome!
AMAZING video and useful as always. Respect man for sharing amazing knowledge for free 🍻
Only a pleasure man, appreciate you taking time to write this!
What a great video explaining metering! Thanks!
You're welcome thanks for taking the time to comment!
thanks a lot and I appreciate your kindness to make this video it’s very important to me thanks for your help
Thank you for the kindness of your comment. I really appreciate that.
This video is nicely put together, you got a new Sub here. Thanks for the excellent explanation.
Aaaaw thanks for your kind words, really appreciate it!
Great video! But so you use the Zebra C1 for shooting people to expose correctly ? And C2 for when you are shooting objects?
Wow just discovered your channel. This was extremely well done! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thank you so much! Really appreciate your comment! 🙏
The grading looks so clean bro!
DUDE! Thanks for your support man, cant wait to see your South Africa video :) :) :)
So valuable. Thank you for this.
You're so welcome, thanks Gerald!
amazing video! thank you very much!!!
Glad you liked it!🙏🏼
Thank you. Love your Channel. Looking forward to more content
Thanks Matt, so appreciate your kind words! Cant wait to share more :)
Hi Jacques thanks for the vids and tutorial they are detailed and well explained
waiting for my A7IV
Just wondering what monitor doing you use for retouching or video?
Thanks Yoram, I'm glad to hear! I'm using the Asus Pro Art linked here amzn.to/3HRZgHq I have the 24" they're awesome!
Brilliant thanks.
This was amazingly helpful! One last question I have is regarding to the differences between SLOG 2 and 3. Personally, I used to shy away from using SLOG 3 because it was my understanding that it was harder to grade and more prone to noise if not perfectly exposed. Is this something you would personally agree on, from your own experience?
Hi! The settings for zebra are for shooting in the slog3 on monitor, and what about if I use your lut in my camera display assistant? Which settings I should to set up? Thank you!
Hi Jacques. Could you explain EI? Is there a recommended EI?
It's such a hit and miss with some of the youtubers training the youth... but this video Is very comprehensive. Well done sir
Really glad you think so. Cheers! 🙏🏼
Thank you for the lesson.
Thank you for the comment and for your support.☺️
Clean and detailed. love it
Thanks a ton Nick!
In a7s3, in .slog 3, the noise comes from overdoing it or by reducing it further? To avoid noise, how much distance should be kept from this km to km and how much should be kept from this distance during day time and shut at night….
Thanks so much for this. You're giving me the courage to break away from my S-Cinetone training wheels.... scary yet exhilarating...
Really happy to hear that you are inspired, thank you so much!
Yes that’s exactly me right now losing the S-Cinetone training wheels!!!! Great video!!
This video is amazing! could you tell me how to expose s-log 3 underwater more or less?
thanks in advance!
Thank you! I always thought I am the only one exposing at average +1.7 at the EV but I guess I was doing it right all the time even tho it didn't feel quite right. Would be nice to "recalibrate" the EV that instead of +1.7 you can set this value to 0.
Hey! Great content - I do have a question which is confusing to me.
Waveforms - when shooting in Slog3 (Sony) and Using the rec709 Lut monitor , do I based the Waveform of the Slog3 or the Lut?
New sbscriber. Enjoyed yupr video. Which colied HDMI Cable is this in your video? I haven't been able to find an HDMI cable the length I need which can hold a constant signal to my Ninja V in 4K60fps.
Thanks man, great video! I'm learning a lot!
I'm so glad to hear that, thanks for supporting my channel Rune!
Brilliant video as always Jacques! The best channel ever bro well done!! I was wondering what you thought of the HLG2 and HLG3 profiles? With your immense knowledge and understanding of Sony colour science receiving your insight and best way to get the best out of these profiles would be soooo AWESOME! They seem more forgiving and easier to film with and grade, but that's just my opinion would love yours.
Thanks David, you are most kind! I actually tried out HLG3 for a while but I found that the best skintone come out of PP-Off and S-Log3. HLG is not a bad option but with the new firmware I actually prefer S-Cinetone overall except S-Log3 which I mostly shoot on these days.
@@jacques_crafford I'm shooting in 8bit on A7III, A6600 and A6400 nog steeds troue my maat🙂so I'm comfortable with HLG2 or HLG3 just not sure if I should be adjusting anything in the picture profile. Thank you Jacques
Great tutorial. The grey card is just not a practical option for a lot of us in real world run and gun scenarios. I'm new to the A7Siii but have found the meter is far from reliable and I jump between that, zebras, and just eyeballing it. Like the other comment above, would love to see your approach on the FX6. Thanks for taking the time to make these videos.
You're most welcome, thanks for taking the time to comment. I fully agree with you, I really do use all these methods together and eyeballing is often the winner :)
Hello, thank you for the super useful video! Tell me, is zebra 50 on the skin on the developed material or on the raw slog 3?
You're welcome! 50 is on Slog3 without a LUT
epic bru! been trying out slog 3 at work!
Lekka bru, where you working now! Sounds awesome, enjoy!
Trying to figure out metering on the A7siii was driving me crazy. This has helped so much. Will be using your zebra approach. Thank you! 👊🏿
So glad to hear that bro, thanks for taking the time to give your feedback!
this is really a nice explanation and detail video, appreciate it and thanks for the tips,
what is your ''one click conversion" ? and also are you just on default SLog3 Sgamut3 CINE?
Thanks for your kind words! I'm using the Phantom LUTS for conversion bit.ly/3cqdikV Yes I always use the default SLog3 Sgamut3.cine :)
What is a good extern monitor where the waveform / false color features come in?
Thank you
Great Content as always!
Thanks Henri, really appreciate it!
So you can only dial in exposure when iso is set to automatic? When I’m native iso it doesn’t allow you to manually under or over expose. ??
this is what I wanted to hear. I always set my exopose between 1.7-2.0 before. but sometimes it feels like clips is under exposed on subject. now I know cleary. I should watch it one more time. or two times. haha thanks for the tutorial
Yay so glad to hear you found it helpful, pleasure is all mine! Thanks for taking the time to comment
incredibly good video, thank you
Thanks man, so appreciate you taking the time for this wonderful feedback!
YOUR CONTENT IS AMAZING! THANK YOU :)
Thank you so much, really appreciate your feedback!
Thanks for this crystal clear explanation Jacques!!
Pardon my beginner question but: When people say X stops over exposed, you mean turning the exposure Dial with the camera set on Shutter priority Auto? If I'm shooting in full manual, the exposure dial doesn't do anything!
You're welcome Arnaud! Yeah if you shoot manual the EV dial isn't relevant so the X Stops referred to are either measured with the Meter or just based on IRE values.
Awesome video! Thank you 👍
Thanks so much, glad you like it!
Great watch ! Can you do a video on false color one day, preferably w the atomos ninja V 🍻
Very helpful, thanks!
Yay you're welcome!
But how do you expose if you are outside and film while walking around. And ur multimeter is like really jumping up and down multiple stops all the time? Pls someone help!
I was wondering the same thing
Yes. It’s not a problem if the MM fluctuate. It’s natural
Like he said. Use the spot metering and put it on the spot you want correctly.exposed.
spot metering to the subject instead of multi metering
This is Gold, thank you for making this kind of video specially for starting film makers like myself. I just want to ask a question, i notice you are using atomos ninja V. Do you record in Prores Raw? If not then do you think Atomos shinobi is good enough? Thank you
Thanks mate, happy to hear you find it helpful! I don't ever record in Prores on these cameras, I'm perfectly happy with the internal XAVC-I codec :)
Subbed. This is all useful info even though it's beyond my knowledge right now.
Thanks Jay, only a pleasure! I hope it comes in handy soon :)
This applies to the FX6 as well im assuming. For all your videos with the fx3 right?
Lekker yster! Ek het dit nou geniet man! Jy is baie natuurlik voor en agter die kamera. Hou so aan!
Whoooohooo dankie brother, dit beteken so baie vir my! Ek kan dieselfde vir jou sê, altyd lekker om jou te sien praat :)
subscribed. because you showed how it performs with multiple skin tones
Thanks so much, glad I could help! Appreciate the support!
Great tutorial! Do you load the Phantom LUTs on your camera to preview as you shoot??
Thanks Robert! Yes I do but only on the FX3, F30 and FX6, the A7sIII can't accept custom LUTs
How are you getting your spot meter to move around?!
*very helpful video .. when using the phantom luts do u overexpose or keep it normal while shooting in slog 3 ?*
Only a pleasure bro! I tend to overexpose just a tiny bit but not as much as most people recommend.
@@jacques_crafford ok .. thanks 😊, first time trying slog3 .. was scratching my head at first but then i got the phantom luts and now am able to get proper colours .. still learning how to properly expose log image.
Great video 🔥 Easiest way I found is get the Phantom Luts and just expose normally or at .7
When you drop the Phantom Luts its so easy. You dont have to go fo much adjustments. Trust me Phantom Luts is the way to go.
Yeeew thanks Armando! I agree, I prefer shooting in that range, makes post so much easier :)
Is this lut good for low light shooting as well?
@@braxtonwoullard1188 yeah but the hardest thing is to expose SLOG3 i low light.
@@armando.visuals It definitely can be, sometimes I can get clean lowlight footage. Just depends on the location and lighting. What helped me last night during my low light video test was setting my zebras to 93.
Should I use S-cinetone if using phantom lut? Or s-gamut3?
Hello Jackques, really enjoying and learning from your work. My question maybe sounds like a beginner’s query. But want to ask you, provided we follow all the rules and suggestions you mentioned here, can i achieve these settings also through changing ISO or shutter speed? As you know, in Sony A7Siii, the native ISO is 640 and 12,800. So could I also use anything in between? (as I saw on your video, it was around 1200 sometimes) Also is it ok to break the rule of 180 degrees to achieve these results….especially if I am shooting an interview? Appreciate your feedback and best wishes from Switzerland.
Hey Manish! Apologies for the late reply, good question! Generally I try to never break the shutter rule so I don't encourage it, as for ISO I only go higher if it's really really necessary and I'm unable to use my light to bring up the exposure but I wouldn't go beyond 1250 that's my limit. As for 12 800 I'm not a fan of this ISO because it does soften the image quite a bit because of the camera's noise reduction (something that you can turn off in the FX3 & FX6).
@@jacques_crafford hi Jacques! Is High ISO NR the setting you utilize to turn on/off noise reduction? (Or do you utilize a setting called noise suppression in the Sony menu?)
Hey Jacques! I have a question, how would you go about exposing slog3 on the a7sIII using the Ninja V.
Would you even recommend using a monitoring LUT, if yes which one?
Or should I set the Ninja V monitoring to native, Rec709 or PQ?
And how would you set up the zebras on the Ninja V after that?
Would mean the world to me, thank you for your amazing Videos!
Cool man, glad you asked! I mostly expose without the LUT and then just use the Neutral Phantom LUT to monitor but to be honest, I mostly use the waveform in full screen and look on the camera screen when it comes to exposure. Then I switch back to the monitor LUT.
@@jacques_crafford Thank you!
Very Nice ! Thanks for sharing !
Yay glad to hear that, you're welcome!
Hi Jacques, thanks for your interesting vieo. Out of curiosity: I only make documentaries in 4K 50p only freehand. I never use a tripod or gimbal. Do you think I can handle this SONY ALPHA 7 IV well or is it better to think of another camera like the Panasonic? Thank you
You're welcome! To be honest, if you just shoot 50P I won't recommend the A7IV but I would encourage you to shoot more 25P because that looks amazing on the A7IV and it's a great frame rate for documentaries.
What's is picture profile did you used? and how did you customize on slog?
I have the same headphones, book and hard drive sitting in my office lol. Great video!
Haha how cool is that! Thanks Joe!
Very informative video! Wish I saw this a week ago! Few questions, does base ISO have to be 640? Can it be lower? I see that you're able to go lower but I also see everyone use 640 or 12,800. Is SLOG3 usable with a 4:2:0 codec? That's the smallest file size that sony offers in the HS 4k codec. Thank you!
Thanks, glad you found it helpful! With the ISO I try to keep it on 640 at all times although it's not a train smash if you go lower you just lose a bit of dynamic range. I use the lower ISO when my ND is not strong enough. The 4:2:0 doesn't make a difference in S-Log3 except if you want to do a lot of qualification/isolation and green screen work. As long as your file is 10 Bit, the S-Log3 footage will look amazing!
@@jacques_crafford Got it! So try to keep ISO either at 640 or 12,800 and adjust accordingly with ND?
Great video !! Love the shots with the rhino!! Regards to Ant
Thanks so much dude!
great info , thank you , what about AUTO Balance setting when using Phantom luts ? thanks
You're welcome! I don't ever use the Auto Balance Setting because it's not reliable enough. I generally go for something in the Kelvin Range that's close enough to correct in post