How to Survive without a Home Charger (Apartment Living with an EV)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ม.ค. 2021
- Charging at home is perhaps the most convenient part of owning an electric vehicle, but unfortunately, I can’t do that.
You see I’m currently renting an apartment, as I’ve done since graduating school, and there are no charging options available here. I did recently change complexes and did have the option to rent a garage, but unfortunately there aren’t even outlets in those garages to trickle charge my car.
If you’re watching this you may be in a similar living situation to myself, so I wanted to share my experience owning an EV without home charging, along with some options for you if you don't have the ability to charge at home.
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This is really insightful mate. I've never thought about the complications or compromises of no home charger, but you've made it look pretty straight forward. Like anything Tesla/EV related, just takes planning.
Definitely. Still looking forward to having a nice garage 😅
I am so glad you made this vid!
Great video Alex. These are very helpful tips and insight for folks who are in a similar situation like yours.
Thanks so much, that's my goal!
I live in a mobile home neighborhood currently and could potentially plug a charger up on the outdoor outlet of my house in the future. I also have a supercharger about 1 mile from my house, I am forced to pass it every day no matter where I’m headed in town so I think I’m going to go for it! Thank you very much for this video, it made me a little more confident with my decision!
Hi There, I also live in a mobile home, is it possible to install a level if you live in a mobile home?
How’s it been?
Hey Alex, thanks for this great video! Do you leave sentry mode on when parked? I heard sentry mode will drain the battery at a crazy rate
I live in a condo with assigned parking spots and I just ordered a Model Y. Fortunately, the city of Norfolk,VA has been proactive in installing EV chargers in almost every downtown parking garage near me. I am also trying to get charging stations installed for everyone’s use. Great video!
That's awesome!! Hope you enjoy the car!
Hey I just found this video. I'm in Chesapeake! I hope you are still liking living with your EV!
This is why I moved to a single family home. Condo values are going to crash from insurance costs and a lack of easy charging. Some Condos are installing chargers but they are expensive. It’s better to home charge.
Hey Alex. Great video. It is also worth mentioning that Super Charging is $0.28 per kW, where home charging is $0.117 kW (in Columbus w/ AEP). Public chargers vary in cost, some free, some not.
Thanks! I covered a lot of that in my "cost of charging" video, I should have linked to that somewhere
How do you find the free chargers?
@@Sibs How do you find free chargers in your area?
@@happyhippo1710 ... it's common to see chargers (in my area) at train stations, libraries, and shopping centers. Some of these are super slow, but enough to get you home. Some will offer a mid rate charge, but none of the freebies will be a fast charge.
A little late but this video was extremely helpful. Seeing all the new trucks coming out like the Ford f150 lightning and the GMC hummer has given me an itch for my next car to be an EV. I currently live in an apartment complex with my fiance that has no charging station or any stations near me or at my work. Idk if I'll still be living here in a couple of years or when I need a new car but this has really put things in perspective for me. Thanks a lot!
Thanks for checking it out and glad I could help!
Good video, Mr. Sibila!
Thank you 🙌
We just downsized from a house where we had 240 outlet. The condo was built in the 60s, and has a few very wimpy 110s in the garage. My bolt can charge off of it, but the Tesla refuses. The condo association said I could charge, but there are some residents who resent it. There are now two other electric cars in the complex, and we are formed a task to try to figure out what to do. The first thing we did was send out a survey and we learned that there are 15 other people who are thinking their next car will be EV! That really helped the condo board see the writing on the wall. At the moment we are thinking of either installing two pay as you go fast chargers, or giving everyone the option of their own meter with a nema 14-50 in their own designated parking space. I also researched a Beam solar car port for the outdoor parking lot, but we’re in a cloudy northern city, so that’s not a very viable solution.
Wow, so many potential new owners! I don't think many property owners are aware how big these are gonna be in the next decade. They'll need to get updated or fall behind and risk losing tenants. Best of luck to you!
I also downsized from a house with a 240V charging port in the garage to a condominium. My condo board allowed me to install a NEMA 14-50 receptacle with a separate meter very close to electricity at our club house. My total cost for all equipment was under $100. Many of the charger companies now offer equipment that support multiple user accounts so several EV owners can share a charger, each funding electricity used.
Hi Alex wanted to know I live in condo and in process to buy Tesla model 3 now my question is I am out for 4 months out of country every year and will not be able to charge. What happens to car battery if unplugged?
Great video Alex! Im new to the EV world. I live in an apartment as well and before I bought my first EV which is a 2021 MY i did my research about my charging options and fortunately there is a Tesla supercharging station at 10 minutes distance from where I live. Another unexpected bonus for me was that I can charge at work as well with a level 2 charger which is wonderful. My only problem is with the energy loss that i get from sentry mode and during winter season. Thanks to your past videos iad the confidence to buy and EV while renting an apartment ! 😃
That's awesome, congrats on the Model Y! Loved having work charging. Excited to get back to the office soon so I can utilize it.
@@Sibs thank you Alex! Charging at work is really a big help. Hopefully you get that option back in your routine!
@@gerardboulin6324 I sure hope so!
If you’re renting you really have no business buying an EV lol, use that money towards a home my friend.
Great tips for those who don't have the convenience of home charging. Definitely can still make it work if there are enough available chargers in the area though!
For sure!
Thank you for your video and your information. I do own a EV vehicle which is a Chevy Volt unfortunately I don't get the range like Tesla's EV and I just new position at my work which I have to travel 35 miles from my home so it gets very tricky on finding stations. I just discovered chargepoint and how cheap it is but the problem is when I get a full charge the charge point Station will charge you a parking fee which is extremely high like $10 an hour so I really have to watch my levels just before I get a full charge I disconnect. I noticed when I charge 1 to 2 hours to 3 hours it's only like a dollar an hour which is extremely cheap so my average charge price is about two to three dollars for a 2 to 3 hour charge. I have a feature on my car where the generator can give almost a 50% charge when I'm driving so when I get to the station I just need half of a charge which is about 2 to 3 hour charge to get a full charge. The charge stations I use now are Volta which is all free but they give you a 2 hour or 3 hour limit depending upon where it's located. If the Volta is at a nearby theater they'll give you around 3 hours but if it's at a grocery store they will give you only 2 hours. The great thing about a grocery store is they will have multiple stations so I can hop from one station to the next if I need more than 2 hours
I've been thinking of buying an EV when I need a new car, but I thought it best not to until I buy a house and can install a charger. I live near a lot of charging stations thankfully so this was peace of mind. Thanks for sharing! :)
Great to hear!
Just run a long power outlet from the apartment. I saw a few people do that here in the east coast.
I am a condo dweller it took some begging and pleading to get my outlet installed since I’m almost 200 ft from my parking spot. But after a year of working with them and $1400 later I finally have a place to charge. The funny thing is that the condo association has now put in chargers after I paid for mine
Funny how that works 🙃 glad they are at least getting with the program now
Is it possible to install a level 2charge if you live in a mobile home?
I put a 15A Y Split in my garage to make an outlet, then used a 15A Extension Cord that runs to the EVSE mounted on the wall. If there is a will, there is a way.
This video was super helpful! I bought my Tesla because my Apartment has charging but I need to move next month and there is no charging at my new place. Thanks for the tips
Great to hear!!!!
just got my model 3, also, I used to live at LC New Albany, kinda miss it.
Does having your Tesla not plugged in overnight affect the battery life? I’m also in an apartment with no charging options. Worried if this will impact battery life overtime.
Also recommend asking your landlord or the person who owns the apartment complex. That’s what I did and I paid for the installation & also have a permanent parking spot ;)
I thought I mentioned that briefly, but completely agree!! Trying to do the same at my complex.
How much does the installation cost if I'm willing to pay for it at my assigned parking spot?
Idea: Charging device that you can plug in during the day in your home. At nights wheel it to the car in the parking lot, plug it in and charge the car. You will also need a way to lock it to the car so that someone does not walk away with it.
Interesting idea! Unfortunately a battery that would be big enough to give any sort of significant charge would be way too big & expensive. They do make some "mobile" battery chargers but they usually only give you enough juice to get to the nearest charger
I live in Dayton and now they’re everywhere.
Smart man
In my city (really a small capital town) We have at least 5 free charging lots. I park half a mile from work to charge once or twice a week for 5 hours each.
I'm getting my model 3 in just over a month. I live in an apartment also...however, in my case, there are some 110V outlets on the side of the building. There is a parking spot where I can just run an extention cord across the grass (and it wouldn't be noticeable). I am trying to get a garage by the time I get the car also, which would give me access to 110V outlets. I don't drive enough to absolutely need a level 2 charger at home so that should be sufficient for the time being. I normally walk to work (right across the street) and unless I am making a special trip somewhere, only drive around 10 miles/week. If I REALLY get stuck, there is a supercharger in the supermarket parking lot right behind my apartment, and my work across the street has a level 2 charger.
Sounds like a great setup!
5:00, I am wondering if there is some sort of simple converter that combines two 120v outlets into one 240v output for faster home charging.
There is but it's not that simple. You would need outlets on two different breakers and they need to be out of phase with each other too.
@@Sibs interesting, can you provide a link to an example product?
If I had a Model 3 I'd be able to charge at my apartment via extension cord 🤣 better than no charging
That's what I had to do at my old complex haha
I would do that but that screams sketch
The only solution is that you must have a charger at home or apartment. It sounds very stressful not to have a charger.
hey there, you may have an outlet at the top of the ceiling where the garage opener is mounted .. i have seen people use that plug and or T off the plug .
I've thought about that but don't want to get in trouble with my landlord lol
I was told that one should only use the level 3 ie fast chargers occasionally as these have an effect on the longevity of your battery
Yeah causes battery to heat up and heat kills battery cells quicker and slow charging is best for longevity and fast charging should only be used for occasional charging while traveling, not for charging every time you need a charge.
Most times there is no need to install a $1,000 charger… a simple NEMA 14-50R receptacle (RV) outlet is all you need for level II charging.
I'm in a very similar position to you. I'd not rent, but I do own a Condo. No garage or assigned parking space. All outdoor parking. Development was built in 1973, so very poor power infrastructure.
Already approached condo board with 10page business proposal and 50pg professional feasibility study. Told them all about market growth, state incentives, etc. They're not budging, sent me a C&D letter to shut me up. Typical NIMBY attitudes.
Extension cord from my unit won't work. Parking area is 250ft away. Way too much of a trip and possibly fire hazard.
Nearest L2 charging station is 4 miles away (and $0.27/kwh). Not exactly a short walk home. Tried biking it, but even that was a tricky ride down some busy roads.
Nearest DCFC is many towns away, so no dice there. I have a PHEV anyway, so wouldn't be able to use it regardless.
The office building I work at has "6 Electric car charging stations coming soon" listed on the leasing company website, but it's said that for over a year now with no mention of construction start. My office is 35mi from my home and I'm currently 100%WFH, so not something I'd want to do on a regular basis.
I've even gone so far as to try and figure out if I can get some kind of solar setup to trickle charger my car.
I am involved with a local EV advocacy group, so I'm hoping they can help me get some traction.
Possible future options:
1. New Medical park directly adjacent to my condo complex. Might as my advocacy group to reach out to the leasing company and send info about EV charging incentives.
2. Maybe get a lawyer to force my condo boards hand. There is a new law in my state that is supposed to help, but I'm not sure if it applies to my situation. NYS RPP 339-LL. Finding an EV-Friendly lawyer is tricky. Also don't want to start making enemies at the condo board and see my maintenance requests mysteriously disappear.
3. Maybe pick up an ebike or scooter to bring with me to nearby L2 station.
4. Unsustainable, but I suppose I could ask residents with units closer to the parking area if I could plug into their unit (and pay for whatever power I use of course). Still a sidewalk trip hazard, so not a great idea.
5. There is a 110V outlet near the clubhouse. Would need to convince the board to let me use it, somehow meter the use and pay them for the electricity. Not exactly on their good side right now.
MUD charging is a huge barrier and there are still a lot of people who this will affect until laws are changed. Not everyone can afford a single family home with a garage.
dang, that's too bad. Any chargers close to your complex?
@@Sibs I mentioned in the previous comment, my nearest charger is about 4mi away. I tried leaving my car there once and biking home, but it's not exactly something I'd like to do on a regular basis.
Thought about maybe picking up an ebike or escooter to make it easier.
@@longislandevs dang, sorry, only saw the first section.
@@Sibs all good. I still really liked you video. Shared it to all my followers on social media.
Charging at MUDs (Multi-Unit Dwellings) is an issue for EV adoption that not enough people are talking about, given how many people in the US live in MUDs.
@@longislandevs exactly. That's a huge push for me with local politicians
Is'nt a supercharger cost the same as fuel?
How long is the referral for the thousand Miles when you bought the car and take delivery how long is it good for one year year and a half?
It's 1000 miles, but not sure when those expire. Nukem384 has a good video breaking it down!
For now, 2024, it only makes sense for people with at least a dedicated 120 volt outlet at home or work to drive an EV. Can you do without? Yes but it requires work to do. Having a spot with a dedicated outlet 120 or preferably 240 makes fueling so easy.
I just ordered a Tesla a few days ago and not having a home charger was definitely one of the biggest concerns (I live in a condo on the second floor and there are no future plans for EV charger installation with my HOA). There is a supercharger about 10 min from where I live, so I plan on going there probably once a week to charge. Agree with the video -- doable, but not convenient. But my thing for buying an EV is to be environmentally friendly and not pay ridiculous $ for the ever increasing gas price. Hopefully there will be more options for charging in the future. Thank you for the video!
Awesome! Congrats on the car!
@@artietrieu4271 So I lucked out because there turned out to be free charging at work. But I think it's definitely doable if you're just using the Superchargers. I used to go maybe once a week to the Supercharger and it'll be good for the entire week.
This is very helpful for me because I am planning to get an ev and my apartment doesn’t have charging stations. With the help of this video I searched nearby public charging and I found only 400m away from my home where I can charge and if that one is full then I have another few nearby walking distance so definitely can consider buying one now. Just calculating expenses for gas car vs ev and then I am good to go. Note: I am a rideshare driver so will be driving a lot 😅
You needed to watch a 8 minute video just to tell you to search for nearby public charging?
Supercharging for daily driving gets really expensive!! It’s starting to irritate me since I don’t have a home charger
Also kills longevity of your battery since superchargers are only meant to be used occasionally and not every time you need a charge. The heat from superchargers kills the cells in the batteries over time. Slow charging is best since it does not cause a lot of heat.
How much is it for super charger ? Can’t be worst than gas prices in Cali though.
@@taezar9532I don’t own a Tesla, YET, but from the info I can gather for my area it’s about $0.30/kWh. This is in Indiana, so I’m not sure if living somewhere with higher electric prices makes a difference with superchargers or not. Through my calculations, even solely supercharging at that price point is still slightly cheaper than gas for a 29mpg car. But honestly if you’re only supercharging, it’s probably safe to assume you won’t really be saving much money as far as gas goes. Charging at home you definitely would, as here I believe it would be about 1/2 price compared to a supercharger.
how much ?
@@Slips85isn’t that a myth?
ChargePoint has a program for apartments and a sample letter for tenants to request your apartment owners to install shared chargers. All apartments should and hopefully eventually will have EV chargers.
That's good to know! I'll have to check them out.
My apartment has chargepoint. And they charge for parking after a certain time
Charging at apartments is improving very rapidly. In Boston, many of the higher quality apartments have EV charging. About 2 years ago, my apartment building installed 8 ChargePoint chargers and now are adding 10 more. Cost to use the charger is only $20/mo. Don’t expect your apartment to provide electricity for free. They don’t provide free gas to ice vehicle owners.
That's great! I'm definitely not wanting them to, I'm fine with paying for that amenity like a garage or something else
Where do you charge most often away from your house?
Tesla supercharge station
@@BrittneyWinterzzz Are these bad if used all the time? and by all the time i mean like once a week of two weeks as your main charge source
I just brought a Nissan leaf its horrid
@@Youreananimalwhy?
This makes me feel better there are a bunch of super chargers near me. I have a garage it has a charge port for the level one. It’s good enough for me to leave my car charged up when I’m gone for a week or so being in the military. I’m okay with just driving to a supercharger most of the time to charge my car up within 15 mins to 30 mins. It will still be way cheaper then putting gas in my car. I have have an Audi A5 right now and I have to put 150 a week in gas because I drive about 60 miles round trip Monday through Friday. I’m getting a Tesla lol the most I have seen people pay was $11.00 to charge up at a supercharger that’s way cheaper than me pay 65 every time I’m out of gas. I don’t plan on staying in an apartment for ever so like I said I won’t mind.
That's awesome!
Supercharger network is so crucial 📈
Definitely!
Yes that's where I do most of my charging too. If I go to the cinema, volta chargers are a good options as there are some near my nearest cinema. Most trips however I tiy to use my bike for if it's close by.
Hey Alex how much of range do you lose overnight if not charging?
Hey! Covered that in this video. It's more in the winter but you can limit phantom drain by turning off sentry mode: th-cam.com/video/gWmVW_BC20Q/w-d-xo.html
Have you looked around your apartment for an outside outlet? I live in a condo without a garage & will use mine in a pinch
There are none unfortunately... I've looked everywhere!!
Well my apartment does have charge point stations, they want $2.50 per hour with a $4 per hour idle fee. I don't want to have to be going back and forth micromanaging my charge time, especially when it's wet and cold outside.
Do you think relying exclusively on superchargers makes the most sense? Basically you're just treating it like a gas car, filling up once per week or whatever your needs are.
I did that for a period and it's not too bad if you can loop in supercharging with an errand. For me it was grocery shopping next to the supercharger, so not a huge deal. Definitely becomes a pain if you just sit in your car for 30+ mins
I just bought a tesla, my apartment doesnt have and wont install ev chargers for now but I do have access to a lot of the official tesla superchargers. are those bad for my car? I would use my car like 3 times a week for very little distances. pls lmk
Should be fine. I took weekly trips to the SC before I had home charging. No major battery issues so far.
Are these public chargers level 1 or 2 free . You can pull up to it and charge it for free ?
Do you have to pay for public supercharger
Superchargers are pay-per use currently.
Depends on the charger, but most are moving towards free charging.
I just bought a m3 a couple months ago and have put on over 5k miles with no way to plug in at my apartment. Luckily there is a supercharger just 1 mile (4 min drive) away and a destination charger 2 miles (6 min drive) from me. Sometimes to get a free charge I drive to the nature preserve where the destination charger is located and ride my electric one wheel (they fit perfectly in the frunk) the two miles back home. I can leave it there for the night and have a full charge for free. Or I go to the grocery store and supercharger as I shop (maybe twice a week). I also bartend on Saturday nights and so every weekend I plug in downtown at the college for a slow charge as I work till 3 am. All in all pretty convenient even without home charging or charging at work. Still. I don’t think anyone who is the lazy type would revel in the ownership experience of a Tesla if they couldn’t charge in their garage.
I just ordered a Bolt EV, gonna see if it can be done. I live in Anchorage Alaska.
Right on! Best of luck!
I think u can get away relatively easy if u have a car with alot of range and can fast charge. Might be tough with a leaf f/e . But as u stayed. Someone hell bent on getting an EV without a night charging option should just know what they are getting into
I live in an apartment and worry about if we get snowed in and I can’t drive less than 10 minutes away to charge
I thinking of just charging at home in the driveway I live in Canada
Went from charging at home, to living at an apartment complex with my 2013 Model S. There are a couple Super Chargers, and a smattering of public chargers within a few miles, but nothing within walking distance. Warmer months are fine as I only need to charge up once a week. Winter on the other hand turns it around to just surviving until it warms up. From abysmal range, to super slow charging time.
I pretty much try to mold my routine around where I can charge and get other things done. Is it doable, yes. Is it convenient? Hell no.
cool tips ... here in Tunisia our government is planning to build 10 EV charging Stations ( I don`t know how big: number of cars can be charged at once ) 4 on the highway and 6 in different Governorates ( States ) through an agreement between 2 Gov owned companies 1st is a gas station company ( SNDP or known by AGIL ) and the 2nd is electricity and natural gas distribution company ( STEG ) of course the 10 charging Stations will not be enough. me personally thinking to use a 230v Type E plug that is in my house near the front door with a Tesla Schuko adapter and Tesla mobile connector if it is possible or get a Wall Connector ... my only fear is my mother olive tree in front of the house damage the paint
240V is the way to go for residential stuff. Only need fast charging on highway routes
@@Sibs yeah but it will take me a lot of Time to achieve my goal to get a Tesla Model 3
im in the same boat, right across the street there is 4 tesla level 2 chargers and 2 destination chargers, and 2 supercharger locations within 20 minutes and they are building one due sometime late this year 5 minutes away so its only getting better, my apartment wont install any and wont let me install any
Yeah I am fighting that right now too. I hope more complexes realize the advantages of an EVSE and start installing them.
@@Sibs exactly it'll only benefit them, they can charge or make it free and get incentives either way and also get new tenants they didn't or wouldn't of had before
I’d get a long extension cord and throw it out the window at night after the on-site staff leaves.
I live in a "Luxury" apartment and we do not have EV chargers. I've asked the property managers if I could install a supercharger on my assigned parking spot. However, it was not approved. I did mention the benefits of installing EV chargers on the property, however I was told it would allow non-tenants access to the property. Lucky, I am near a SuperCharger (10 mins away) and I do all my charging there.
I'm in exactly the same boat right now, trying to work with them to get one installed
@@Sibs Good luck. I live in Sunny California and you would think these "Environmentalist" would be all about saving the world...one charge at a time.
Donna, I also live in California. Look into SB 1016 and Civil Code 4745. Here in Cali, EV installation cannot be denied in multi-unit dwellings. Thins might apply to your situation.
In your experience, is it cheaper to charge your Tesla than gas vehicles?
Absolutely. 1/3 to 1/2 the cost per mile
@@Sibs wow. Thank you. I also live in Southern California and cost of gas is terrible. I’m considering getting a Tesla.
When I drive a EV I think of charging. Driving a gas car? Just drive.
How to survive without a home charger, it's very simple.... Don't buy an EV!
My best friend of 30 years is an an absolute EV fanatic. I told him I would not be buying one in the near future as I'm just about ready to replace my nearly 20 year-old ICE vehicle that has been very reliable over the years. When he asked why? I reminded him I live in a CO-OP apartment that has literally no room for a home-charger. Even he agreed that an EV at this point, with the completely insufficient number of outdoor charging stations in NYC where I live, would make EV ownership for me a terrible idea. By the way 8.5 Billion people. We have 7,500 outdoor charging stations that NYC shares with two other cities located nearby in New Jersy. That is laughably insufficient.
On Friday’s I am Parking my car at a public charger and come back in a few hours.
Its insane that along with EV mandates, there's no mandate to install chargers for EVs. The ownership experience is so much harder without home charging.
Charging speeds in my opinion are the only thing wrong with electric cars. Plus I don’t want to install a charger at home, I rather go to a Charge/Petrol Station and charge it and that’s a no-go because it takes too long.
Why wouldn't you want to install a charger at home? It's pretty inexpensive long term and easy for any electrician to do
@@Sibs I’m simply not interested in it.
I do think though that just because you don't have access to a home access charging you shouldn't have to wait if you want to buy an EV. I know the conveience of not having to go to a charge point but there are also other reasons to by an EV. So, I think just because you don't have a charge point at your home should not really stop people from buying one.
Having lived without a home charger since March of 2020, I can tell you there are many days I wish I didn't have to drive somewhere just to charge my car. Not to say it can't be done, but you certainly have to know what you are getting yourself into and be ready for it when the car arrives.
How much does it cost per charge?
really depends, I covered it in this video: th-cam.com/video/QP8iEFU9N-E/w-d-xo.html
Too bad I live in a complex where almost everyone including the apartment manager drive old POS’s And the manager doesn’t believe in EV’s. All I have is a carport with no power ports. With gas prices now I want to consider an EV but I don’t have any option and there’s no charging places within walking distance from me
Ugh, that's a shame. Even running an extension cord might work, but need to make sure you do it in a safe way
It all sounds like wishful thinking. 1500 people in my office. About 20 chargers, and we live in a very hill landscape. And the directors have all been given Teslas. Guess who'll get first dibs? And now the government has insisted charging in winter can only happen for 4 hours per day. No thanks.
Why don’t you use Tesla superchargers you don’t have any in the area
Newbie questions --
1) Can you charge in the rain? What if you're charging overnight and it starts storming?
2) Have there been issues with vandalism or people just coming by and unplugging you?
3) I live in an apartment where there are NO eV owners? It's a condo and there's ZERO incentive to bring in this infrastructure. Chick and egg... how do you sell a community on the potential value if only a handful are using it.
1) Yes, everything is weatherproof and it's completely safe to charge in the rain. It would only be dangerous if the charger or your car was flooded.
2) I've had my car for 20,000 miles and done tons of charging in all kinds of places, no issues with anyone unplugging my car. At superchargers it is also physically locked to the car, so it's impossible to unplug for potential vandals
3) I'm trying to do the same at my complex, definitely a chicken and egg problem. I've been telling them that if they don't put it in now, they're going to miss out on a lot of potential tenants in the future as EVs get more popular. Anyone with an EV will want their complex to have charging infrastructure
Wondering what’s the range?
300 miles on my car
Even if your apartment complex has chargers, most large apartments won't have enough to do the job and most families have two cars...good luck.....plus..unless you have fast chargers you will be waiting in line to charge your vehicle for hours.....around 20 minutes to one hour per car....maybe, you can plug in at 2 in the A.M if your apartment complex decides to spend the money on EV chargers....and why would they...what is the benefit to them....anybody think about 'black outs'....the grid in your area might go down like they have almost guaranteed in Calif..., then how are you going to charge your car at home or a charging facility when the grid is down.....there have been several black outs in my area, already...what to do then...I just drive my highly efficient gas car down to the gas station and fill it up in less than 5 minutes....greenies are pushing EVs way too fast before anyone has thought of the consequences of not having the ability to charge the EV ....talk about 'anxiety' not being able to easily charge your vehicle....maybe, people will start questioning the common sense aspect...oh, and what good are the chargers when our country is killing the fossil fuel industry that produces the guaranteed energy to produce electricity....blackouts are coming according to the industry ...good luck trying to keep your EV charged...what a joke
An EV site claimed that 25% of Americans live in apartments. But, many people own or rent condos, often without garages. I think, the number of people without home charging is much greater than 25%.
Roughly 65% of homes have a driveway or carport, so you're right. It's closer to 35% that don't have an easy way to home charge.
@@SibsThose properties will probably lose a lot of value as we transition to all electric over the next couple of years.
How much is a charge
Charging at home costs around $10 to go from 0-100%
I live in a condo I own but I don’t have home charging. I own a 2021 Tesla model 3 bought earlier this year. Initially, I charge 1-2 times weekly at supercharger station 12km from my home. I charge when I am left with 40-60km of range and charge up to 90% full. Recently, I keep getting a pop up message saying that frequently charging to what require for my daily use will shorten the life of the battery. I spoke with a Tesla maintenance guy in Toronto about this and he said Tesla cars are not made for regular supercharging. The super chargers are meant for road trips only and the cars have to be charged at home. I told him about a warning from a Toyota sales executive prior to buying the Tesla when he told me that condo residents cannot buy Tesla. I shrugged off that warning because I was sure Tesla would not release a car that writes off people living in condos. So when I found out about this truth that Tesla batteries cannot be supercharged regularly, I was shocked. My first decision was to sell the car and buy the Prius Hybrid. I am still considering this option and really feel that it’s the right thing to do. What company is so stupid as to sell a car that cannot be regularly charged at its own supercharger. I asked the Tesla maintenance guy if this means condo residents cannot buy Teslas and his response was “It’s your call”. Now, I have very bad impression of not just Tesla batteries but also their after sale maintenance support personnel. Back to the charging problem, the car actually suggests a solution, it prompts me to charge to my daily limit, which means, charge less. 90% is too high. So now, I charge up to 70% full and I am considering lowering that to 50%. I am retired, I don’t have work place charger but I also don’t drive frequently although I drive long distances when I do. So, charging to less than capacity is not a problem. I am also considering installing a charger in my underground garage but is troublesome and expensive because it involves the condo management board approval. I might sell the condo in the near future and makes installing a level 2 charger not worth the cost and trouble.
Thanks for your comment. I am planning to buy Tesla model 3 and I live an apartment and I persist same issue as yours. In conclusion would you suggest using super chargers every time but charge only 80% or less? If I do so, in the long run will I be getting any battery problem?
Hey, I am in Hamilton and have been thinking about an EV when my car dies (which will be any day now haha though COVID prolonged her life) and Canada passed that condo boards cannot stop you but most garages are not equipped with electrical to handle EV charging. I was told by my property manager that I'd need a structural engineer and electrical engineer to come in and figure out how to add an electric line and if the transformer would be able to handle it, etc. We are talking $20k+. Would love to know what you ended up doing. Thank you for sharing that note about Tesla as I had no idea and probably would have done the same thing. If things ever go back to where they were before COVID for my field, it would mean I'd be averaging 150-250km of driving 4-5 days/week. Currently I'm almost exclusively at home.
Yep buy an ev and your life revolves with a headache around you all the time thinking about your car charge!
Ya it is really hard. Pull in garage, plug in car, close door. So hard, my life revolves around it.
Or you can just get a hybrid car and enjoy life
Why charge to 90 and not 100 percent
It's better for the battery - sitting at 100% for more than a few hours can cause more battery degradation and cause it to lose capacity long term
Planing on moving out of my moms house she’s very strict and mean I’m gonna at McDonald’s and transition to go work at Amazon with my sister.
Just don’t get EV if you can’t home charge!
National Grid: it would be a real shame if I increase electricity costs by 60%....oops
The price increasing by 60% would cost me the equivalent of $1.50 a gallon of gas.
you sound like squidward XD
This is so strange. If you have enough disposal income to purchase a luxury toy like a Tesla (which is what it is -- you can contort the numbers all you like), you should really be investing that money in a house/property first.
To be fair, Tesla Model 3’s are stupid cheap right now (25-30k) so it isn’t crazy to have one and not have property first
@@Wickery. your concept of cheap is highly skewed. 25-30k is not cheap if you're choosing to live in an apartment. 30k is enough money for a down payment + closing costs on a home.
@@TactileCoder who’s paying 30k up front for a car while living in an apartment? I’m just saying they are relatively cheap compared to cars within the past 2 years
And this is why EV will not going to dominate the car industry until they make it more convenient for people who dont live in a home. Until they make charging station for available, i dont see why I have to bend over backwards to get an ev especially a Tesla. Is it status simple? I think it is.
Bro, you said a whole lotta nothing. TLDR find a charger near you. 8 minutes just to say that.
This is new to a lot of people - just trying to cover all the bases and options for people :)
I don’t see the point of that hassle for something that causes more damage to the environment than a gasoline car
That's simply not true. EVs have a higher upfront environmental impact, but that levels off very quickly. And it is only going to lessen as our grid transitions to more renewable sources. In an ICE car, you not only have the production of the car, but also the production of oil, transportation of oil, and finally the burning of oil to move the car around.
This comment is not aging well now that we don’t even know how high petrol prices will go
What a pain in the butt!!!
Let's talk about the unappealing parts of owning an electric car that he did not mention. Walking to and from your electric car when it is raining and snowing. Having to drive you car to the electric charging station, then having to drive it again near your apartment complex. Having other EV owners camp out at the charging station from 5:30 PM ~ 7 AM because they don't give a $HIT about other people. Having people unplug your EV car as a prank. Trying to recharge a car in winter is an uphill struggle. Yes, I know he is pushing the " Yea, it is not a big deal " montra. Yes, it is a big deal if you live in an Apartment or Condo and you need to camp out at charging stations or factor that into your daily routine. A gas powered car only takes 2 minutes to refill and you can ignore your car for 2 weeks. Until electric cars are easier to use it will not adapted by the masses.
Lol
Do you own an EV Car yourself?
I love Elon, and want an EV, but this confirms my fears. Haha. I feel like this is the early adopters syndrome, and in the future all this will be moot. I may wait for that day.
Certainly need better infrastructure for those without a home before EVs take off in a big way
What a freaking pain in the a$$ man
Cars in general were a pain before infrastructure caught up. Cars are nothing without infrastructure, and EVs are no different.
@@Sibs future doesn't look bright
@@Lorenzo-wl5xt actually the future looks very very bright for EVs... growth rate is exponential... ICE is on the way out for most commuter applications. good riddance to ICE!
@@nishiki393 nah all my cars are ICE vehicles.
5.7L V8
6.2L V8
3.5L V6
5.0L V8
7.3L V8
I daily drive the hell out of them.
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@@Lorenzo-wl5xt one data point doesn't mean much...
the EV avalanche has only just begun and the Earth now sees a moticum of hope
tesla wow waste of money
If someone on this planet can't figure out how to charge an electric car comparable to filling up at a gas station, electric cars are a waste. The human race needs to find something better. Cars cost alot already and we dedicate time working to pay for them. Now we have to dedicate time figuring out how to keep them charged. We need more options. Wish I was a genius and could come up with a better idea but than electric cars. HYDROGEN would be a better option but in the wrong hands disastrous.
But there are almost no hydrogen stations.... at least most places have electrcicity.