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In this video, I respond to a comment that was left on my deconversion video. This comment covers a vast array of incorrect thinking representing the typical American Christian fundamentalist, including the following:
-Creationism
-Evolution
-Noah's Ark
-Chrisitan Fundamentalism
-The Big Bang
-Abiogenesis
-Objective Morality
-Divine Command Theory
-What It Means To Be An Atheist
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0:00 Preview
0:30 Intro/Overview
2:22 "I Don't Understand Why You're An Atheist"
4:37 "But Noah's Ark Was Discovered"
7:29 "People Prove God"
8:36 "The Big Bang Is Silly"
11:51 "You Have No Place To Get Morality"
15:17 "People Are Bad. God Can Do Whatever He Wants"
22:16 Final Thoughts
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Hey all, Sorry for the reverse back to lower quality. This one was originally from my old channel but works well for a Tuesday Takedown video. Also, I'm excited to share that starting Thursday, we will be doing a new series where we cover a single book of the bible every Thursday morning. Have a great week, everyone, and thanks again for all the support. Special thanks to Kaleb for the new channel art!
So looking forward to you covering the Bible!
Genesis 1 is God and Genesis 2 is the usurper/deciever.
It isnt intentional. . . but I have found myself on the border of binge watching your content. I have found it well thought out from a christian perspective bcz you were deeper into the the blood magic human sacrifice zombie death cult that is called christianity than i ever was. You are going to give my fav VICED RHINO a run for his money. Keep up the great work.
Hey thanks so much! I really appreciate that. Going to check out my competition now ha. I dont think i have heard of viced rhino before. And yes i was as far down the rabbit hole as you could go.
You don't know what it is like to know God because you never had the Holy Spirit of God dwelling within you as a true born again Christian does.
It's NOT about just having God's word it's about getting confirmation of God's word and other things as well from the Holy Spirit.
Without confirmation from the Holy Spirit to confirm what truth is then one doesn't have the truth at all nor are they saved.
I spit out my drink laughing while I was watching a video of Aron Ra explaining that since Noah's Ark only had one window, the 8 people on it would have almost immediately died from methane gas poisoning from the animals farting and pooping!
right?! and thats just one of the very clear and very simply ways of disproving it. It would be enough on its own, but its 1 of thousands!
oh silly me. cmon Brandon, get it together.
“But he used modern elevator technology to remove the poop and air conditioning some air in!” LOL the Noah Museum literally and I sarcastically. The explosion of corrupt religions with bibliolatry is so sad!
and yet the christians make fun of the mormons for the Boats they took to the americas...so impossible. Lol the hypocrisy
@High Priest of the Flying Spaghetti Monster Oh my, I have always wanted to speak to the High Priest of the Flying Spaghetti monster - -the one true god. Thanks for gracing up with your presents. Tell us when we need to build an ark or a tower of babbel or something. Until then I will go back to watching ESPN
I have to ask were we created in the image of the Flying Spaghetti Monster - the one true god of all Universes?
So many people don’t understand the struggle to STAY a believer when you start having doubts…
Pretty darn impossible once you start looking
That big OOPS that churches and parents strive to avoid allowing kids to bonk into at all costs
They say to "get into the Word" and "Pray"....makes it all worse.
I think that struggle might be predominant with former Evangelicals. Starting as a (very conservative) Roman Catholic, I was close enough to Evangelicalism (grew up listening to Focus on the Family programming, for example) to take it and its threats seriously, yet I was dealing with yet another system threatening me. I was made aware of two "narrow paths" to avoid Hell, and they were mutually exclusive. Getting emotionally attached to either wasn't going to be bringing me any peace, so I didn't feel motivated to struggle to shore up Catholicism against my doubts. I just wanted 100% certain of whatever the answer was.
@@somexp12libertarian is the way to go, perfectly balanced, not swayed to one side or another, both sides have their faults but at the very least one of those sides aint calling themselves gender fluid..... That is a denial of reality that makes religious people look sane
I never got the creation=ownership thing. Parents do not own their kids. That whole thought process always freaks me out.
Yup just terrible
You can’t just play with their lives, watch them suffer and not do anything when they beg you to help, and still expect them to love you.
@@a.b.2405that's PRECISELY what fundamentalist parents believe. They should not be allowed to raise children.
One time when I was little my dad was lecturing me on something and then he said "Parents can do whatever they want to their kids" and then I replied with "They can even kill them?" And he said yes lol
I'm sorry you had to hear that from one of your primary caregivers. What a sick, inhumane culture fundamentalists have created and maintained for themselves.@@charaplushie3545
"A big bang and all of a sudden..." 13.8 billion years isn't sudden!
Lol! Yes. No concept here of time. Which make sense because the genesis big bang is 6 days. So their framework is clearly still well lions and people are both day 6. Its a sickness.
It must be hard to ignore and remain ignorant of the 13.8 billion years we know the universe has existed, and billions of years we know Earth has existed.
Surely it doesn't take much time before these things must force themselves on the awareness of even the most ignorant fundamentalist.
Why don't they watch a few documentaries, if they don't want to read? At least take the trouble to understand the scope of the material they are trying to pretend doesn't exist.
@@ziploc2000 Reality is of no consequence when you feel you have a god on your side. -Glen Cook
Same thing with evolution. They don't grasp that these are unfolding gradual events.
My mom says that she just ignores when they say billions of years because “she knows the truth”. It’s frustrating because I think that’s the root of extreme conspiratorial thinking. Think of any batshit crazy conspiracy theory and draw a Venn diagram of the believers of that and YEC fundies. There is a reason they fall for things like baby eating satanic liberals 🙄
The craziest thing about the “not wanting to take responsibility” part of his statement towards the end is that after I completely accepted that I don’t believe in the Abrahamic god, I felt even more responsible. Lol like it all clicked. I was like “oh, I’m just human and I made bad choices at times in my life because I was either acting out of ignorance or self interest, not because I’m inherently evil… I’m just human.” I’ve never judged myself less than I did in that moment. I finally forgave myself for things I’d been holding onto for years and I finally felt at peace. When you realize it’s not “god” and it’s just you, I think you become free to accept your mistakes and love yourself through them.
Exactly!!
Many Christians don't seem to realize how tiresome and completely unconvincing their assertions and familiar arguments are to non-believers, not to mention that they've all been thoroughly debunked countless times over.
Its a a true war. Them against the powers of darkness and us against the lack if logic, ha. Thanks for watching.
Yeah. They don't realize how irritating and ridiculous they sound to the rest of us.
@@Mar-dk3mp If you don't lack logic you should be able to give a non-circular justification for your claim. Can you?
@@Mar-dk3mp the believer has no knowledge, only belief that has no basis in reality.
Big difference.
The theist is defending the indefensible.
Which is why they get upset when questioned.
They have to try to rationalize the indefensible.
@@Mar-dk3mp Our ancestors lived in a reality where the human mind was so profoundly and universally ignorant that anything could be true. They had no alternatives other than to substitute logic and reason with myth and superstition. It’s was the only way they could survive their highly intelligent yet largely empty brains without going insane.
No one living in the modern world can use that ancient ignorance as an excuse. Today they have to recreate that ignorance artificially instead.
What was once a way for humanity to maintain their sanity when almost nothing in the observable world could be explained, is having the opposite effect in the modern world.
As a young fundamentalist Christian, I once gave a Sunday school lecture explaining how Noah's Ark was totally feasible from a scientific standpoint. And now, looking back on this incident, what I regret most was not my complete ignorance and denial of all the real scientific problems with the Ark and the Flood. No, the worst part - the part that I still cannot fathom - is how I was totally fine worshipping and encouraging other people to worship the God depicted in the Bible, who boasted about drowning every man, woman, child, and baby, and every other living creature on Earth - except for the few saved on the Ark - because He was angry. THAT was way more screwed up and damaging to myself and others than teaching that the Flood was real and the Ark could actually work.
Science is still infallible. For me, God is not only a living thing but a concept. The thing that is the most important thing to someone is their "god". The "god" of humanism is science.
@@phi4721science isn't infallible. Science changes and refines as new information is found. Nor is it a god unless the definition of god includes so many things that it is meaningless. A god implies reasoning, an entity, a mind. Science doesn't have a mind. Science doesn't have goals or plans or preferences. Science is just studying the natural world and understanding the rules and mechanisms that determine how things work.
@@phi4721The scientific method is a process which results in the based explanation based on our knowledge Today.
Well said. Your arguments are clear, logical and concise. All the things theists hate. More power to you.
Thank you much!
Not necessarily true. If religion doesn't have a monopoly on morality, atheism doesn't have a monopoly on logic and reasoning. Also, not all theists are religious, there are non-religious theists and deists.
God caused the algorithm to suggest your channel to me.😉 I'm busy catching up. Your work is amazing and so well thought out. I lost my (evangelical) faith at 60 years and looking back at all the things I believed in a new light. Thank you.
My pleasure. Really appreciate you being here snd the support. Congrats on such a long lifetime of freedom!
Most parents treat their children better than the bible god treated his creation. I always thought that bible god was a psychopath. Dipped my toe into fundamentalist christianity because of a boyfriend, was 17 at the time. It was so cold, it froze my “soul”. The focus was hell fire and damnation. I listened with an open heart as my boyfriend requested. As I attended bible studies, this creeping thread of damnation dread wove it’s way through my brain, my normally healthy, logical, and happy brain. I was being infected with self hate and existential fear. Something in me recognized the shear horror of this cult and I broke away. My teenage boyfriend joined the military and I have no idea where he ended up. I feel for the children of fundamentalists because the threads are woven so early, so tightly. Thousands of threads that need to be cut one at a time. Your channel provides good sharp scissors for people’s thread cutting.
There are also those of us who, despite being raised in that environment, have never felt any creeping thread of damnation, or dread, or self-hate, or existential fear. It's only as negative as you and your teachers make it out to be.
@@reijishian2593Correction: It's only as terrible as believers and the apologetics truly show it to be.
@@reijishian2593 👍🏽
"... and all of a sudden..."
And all of a sudden there was a God.
And all of a sudden God could speak.
And all of a sudden God spoke: "Let there be light".
And all of a sudden there were light.
In every religion that I am aware of, I see fractal special pleading.
Great examples! Special pleading seems to be THE logical fallacy of choice for religion.
And this god always existed but we hadn't noticed until he revealed it to us.
@@JamesRichardWiley It is due to our previous sins that we are not able to see him. Or this one is even better, it's due to the sins of our parents and grandparents. Their sins, which have literally nothing to do with us, are the reason why we are punished, and cannot know god although literally this verse exists:
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
But I don't blame the guy who made that ignorant comment to desperately justify his own worldviews. There are equal amount of verses in the Bible that claim the exact opposite of Ezekiel 18:20. Just... sloppy.
@damianentropy God appears to sinful people all the time in the bible. It's God not appearing to us, not us unable to see him.
This was really great because in the real world most strangers who approach you and want to talk to you about religion are fundamentalists who take the bible very literally. Even though I can identify their logic as fallacious, and often outright absurd it is difficult for me to formulate a response to them. It's not much different than arguing with a QAnon believer. I appreciate that you were willing to take the time and respond to this person line by line.
thats a great point about how the average person who would engage in real talk is typically a fundamentalist. Glad if I provided some good thoughts.
Typically fundamentalists...OR Jehovah Witnesses!
@@Gloria_Williams or a young Mormon missionary- like I was many years ago!
@@senorbb2150 Yes!!! They were always so nice! I was never one to slam my door in the face of Mormons or JWs! I would invite them in and chat with them. Now, I was also not going to go to any religious services with them are join a bible study, but I felt they were always kind and I felt bad for the animosity that so many other people would show them when they were clearly just doing what they believe god had commanded them to do. Many of them really didn't like knocking on doors. Some were even afraid of it, but the fact that they pushed past in to do it anyway says a lot. Of course, I believe they were mislead in those beliefs, but that doesn't make them bad people.
@@Gloria_WilliamsThey are indoctrinated and you did the right thing by showing them that people outside their prison are normal and nice
I always have to laugh and give a 'you're an idiot stare' when certain god believers find our I'm an atheist. I don't ever forfeit that info. It always comes up in a conversation prompted by the believer. They often say ' but you seem so normal'. Hence the dismissive laugh.
Lol! I have gotten that many times. Like wait. Shouldn’t you be out sinning, why are you just playing with your kids like me?
YESS!!! I often get "But you're so nice!" or "You have such a kind heart! Are you sure you're not a Christian?" They inevitably tell me that they are holding out hope that I'll come back to the faith and that they'll be praying for me! Haha! I want to tell them that they can have all of the telepathic conversations with their invisible sky-daddy and that will yield about the same results as when I have actual conversations with my cat. I don't say that, of course, but it always go through my head!
I subscribed pretty quickly. I was surprised how fast the Christians in my life devalued my opinions and conclusions the moment I expressed doubts- even after 20 years as a very pious fundamentalist. Thanks for posting, bro.
hey Chris, thanks so much. Welcome to the family. Yes, just went from well respected and my questions were smart and good to, oh hes an atheist what does he know, he loves sin and hates god. Its insane!
@@MindShift-Brandon Loves sin and deconstruct is basically all of MacArthurs sermons these days. He hasn't really talked and interviewed any that I know of. Keeps feeding the meat to his captive audience.
They can devalue your opinions but they can't disprove them. However you can disprove most of theirs.
It takes guts to examine your beliefs critically, no matter what they happen to be. It also takes courage to rake full responsibility for your life, actions and biases, rather than using God as a justification for treating people badly.
Your Christian "friends" are terrified, at their core. They need their beliefs to quiet that existential anxiety, and as such, they must shut down/dismiss anyone or anything that might challenge those beliefs (hence their treatment of you).
It's hard to walk away, but you made a choice for yourself, and you should be proud of that.
@@SNESpool I appreciate that, hardrokker
Great job! Responding to comments can be a huge rabbit hole, especially as your audience grows, but taking selected/representative comments as the topic for a new video is not only interesting but a self-refreshing source of material. Looking forward to seeing lots more of these!
thank you very much. I think a once a month video or maybe just quarterly, responding to a comment that seems to be par for the course might be a fun and unique way of doing it. Appreciate the feedback!
That's a great point about the horse's god.
Thanks!
First, I want to say that after subscribing, I went to look at your past videos and I am amazed to find out that you have just started your journey on TH-cam. The quality of your videos and depth of your analysis made me think surely I stumbled across someone I'd have several years of content to go back and rewatch. I mean this as a compliment, I hope it lands that way! I also wanted to say I love this style of video. The insight your have from your personal experience with Christianity gives such a thoughtful breakdown of these types of comments, and while I always find videos about the bigger names in apologetics both important and informative to watch, the layman online I think is also an important piece to examine. They may not have the name recognition or the argumentation down to a t, but they spread this rhetoric like wildfire into so many spaces on the internet that it's helpful to get the perspective of somebody who truly gets it to examine these comments and address them line by line. I really appreciated this video and you've certainly made a fan out of me with your videos! Thank you for helping broaden my perspective
Steven, thank you so much for taking the time to write all this. I did take it in a good way, and it's very encouraging to hear. I am just a month old here and hope to go big to help a lot of people who are stuck, just like me. Really appreciated your way of explaining what I was failing to explain, that even though its low hanging fruit, they spread the rhetoric like wildfire! That's so true, and it just plays such a huge part in the average person's confirmation bias. Appreciate the support and am glad to have you here!
So well said, Brandon. I don’t have the opportunity to address all those things to my extended family of “believers” (who would not actually hear them anyway) so I write them. It is very cathartic for me and maybe after I am gone someone will read them and it will open their mind. 🤷🏼♀️
i like that, they may even carry more weight after you are gone plus like you said, the benefit to yourself of going through it.
Beautifully done AGAIN Brandon
This couldn’t have been better explained and rebutted. I’m shocked and stunned at my former beliefs 😢
The truth of REALITY truly sets us free.
Still kind hearted and make mistakes but all I do with right intentions is now my responsibility.
I’m a wife and a mother of 6 and with these truths my children will no longer get the indoctrination I received which made me almost certainly in hindsight a dumbed down believer with atrocious world views because of the Bible 😢
Thank you so much. Glad to hear it. Whoa 6 kids! Thats amazing and sounds like they are being raised with kindness and truth. What else could they ask for, good work!
You are my new go to guy for putting the pieces of the puzzle together to reveal more of the picture.
Thank you so much.
Glad to be it, and will do the best I can. Thanks for being here, James!
Brandon you really are different! I appreciate your heart and the intentions you put into your work. Goodness and the quest for Truth, wherever it can be found, is always a beautiful sight to behold! Keep on rockin' man 💪🏻
Too kind as usual. Thanks for your support if my mission here. Means a lot!
"We are a tribal species and develped a moral guideline enabling us to live together as a unit."
If another tribe comes and destroys your tribe are they wrong?
If another tribe comes and destroys your tribe are they wrong?
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Obviously the other tribe doesn't think so.
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7If your tribe are the Moabites, and the other tribe are the Israelites, and God told them to kill you, would they be wrong?
Oh my dog, the last segment is something I’m going to be re-watching over and over.
This is so therapeutic after spending the last 3 weeks engaged in debate with these types.
I really don't want this to sound demeaning but I'm always fascinated by the lack of reasoning. It's not just the fiction, or the debunking, or the lack of evidence, it's the pure absence of logic that astounds me. Not as a fancy way of calling it dumb, but in the most literal sense of the word 'logic'. They wouldn't satisfy the expectations of elementary school level exams.
If I say. "Eating blueberries make animals violent and the lions are eating them and that's why we need a wall to protect us from the lions outside." We can break this down. "-Do- blueberries make things violent? How do you know the lions are eating them? Is there a reason they'd be more violent towards us? How do you know a wall would be the best way of defending us agaisnt that violence?" Even if the idea is stupid, I can break down where it's stupid because there is a least a sequence of ideas which connect but all of the Christian arguments I ever hear are just so self contained and illogical.
"We are proof of God because we are made in his image"
There's no connection of ideas here. There is no argument to substantiate why we are 'made', or what 'god's image' is, or how he would be responsible for that creation, or how this is proof he exist as another entity could be responsible for the creation or the depiction itself. It's not that I don't agree with the idea, it's that I don't know how it even connects in their own heads. As we formulate opinions or thoughts, we do so by extending patterns and in making a claim of proof he's preforming none of this. The idea ONLY works if you immediately accept the entire concept at face value. It's hard to engage with because there is nothing to disect. The whole idea works, or it doesn't.
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Very well said. Great example!
I'm equally taken aback at the lack of distinction between "making a logical argument" and "saying words that are, in my opinion, true." I've even witnessed such from people whom I know full well can make a rational analysis if they care to. It's evidently not a problem of insufficient intelligence. It's almost like these topics are too important to think about. Just accept and memorize the cliches and use your rational thought exclusively elsewhere.
It's because of doxastic closure. Rather than start with premises to lead them to a conclusion, people believe and come to the conclusion first, and then work the reasoning out to fit in with the conclusion. And if somehow they realize the reasoning doesn't fit, it's because God is really mysterious and incomprehensible.
I remember being him. It was a sad state, and an arrogant one. I've decided to stop saying I know everything
yes, nothing is more humbling than a worldview shift where everything you once were so sure of, falls out from under you. I hear that!
@@MindShift-Brandon For me, it was freeing. As a Young Earth Creationist who _actually knew_ the basics of how evolution purportedly happened, the cognitive dissonance was almost physically painful. It's been years since I let it all go, and I still sometimes feel that first breath of fresh air.
Ahh well said. I can relate
Goddammit, I love this channel! I don’t know how you manage to hit on every point (and then some) that I think about all the time but I’m glad you do. You speak so concisely and it’s so powerful. Please don’t ever stop making these videos! I’m 61 and I’ve worried that younger generations won’t have a Hitch, Harris, Dillahunty, Fry (Stephen), etc. Someone who’s lived through it and really knows what they’re talking about and can put the information in a very easy to understand way. You cover those bases, for me.
oh man, thank you so much Lori. I can only hope to live up to your expectations. Appreciate all the support as I try to grow this!
@@MindShift-Brandon You’re videos are good for atheists as well as people who still believe. The information is put out plainly, without apology, yet still done in a way that the believer isn’t driven away. And at the same time, real talk, as far as how harmful and ridiculous religion(s) is/are. It’s a tough, fragile line to walk and in my opinion, you do it so well.
@@loriw2661 I don’t think there’s any worry that future generations won’t have people like those you mention. If anything, I believe younger generations will have such a rich diversity of atheist role models and leading figures, older generations will be jealous. The movement continues spreading and growing.
Brandon is always on point 😂
When I was a child, I saw that Noah Ark movie scam. Part of the show is a guy climbing on top of the ark. As a child, I thought that was real. When I got older, I read John then Matthew , Mark , Luke. These were boring and repeats. I then did the random read method of the bible. I was told that I was reading it wrong and that I should read suggested passages only. That made me want to see what I was missing. I saw some creepy stuff and alter learned that the bible was just a book created by someone like Constantine who had enough money to pay bishops to put stories together.
Thanks!
Thank you so much for this kind and generous support!
Great job!! Flipping the "We are made in image" to the correct "We created God In OUR image" Once again listening to you is like what it must be to escape a POW Camp!
Thanks, Francis! Appreciate you.
That's why I find Greek mythology to be so fascinating. The Greeks also made gods in their own image, but they didn't even pretend that their gods were good and perfect like Christians do with their God.
They're vain, proud, jealous, lustful, petty, vindictive, murderous, sadistic...
@@miaomiaochan Same with me. I love Greek mythology, and has loved them since I was a wee bit lad. haha. I still have the bible of Greek mythology, Mythology by Edith Hamilton. 🙂
You're right. The Greeks didn't pretend that their gods were perfect and upright. They were indeed vain, proud, jealous, lustful (especially that horndog Zeus!), murderous and sadistic.....all of which made them interesting and fascinating.
Can you make a video that helps Christians accept the truth without fear? I can see fear and anger when I talk to my christian friend about atheism
Very well-spoken. I come from a JW background, but the fundies gonna fundie. Loads of similarities. Thank you for your videos.
Ha! Fundies gonna fundie for sure! Thank you very much.
I maintain I'm not smart enough to be a Christian, I didn't go to Bible College to study the Bible to enable me to understand the correct interpretation, I've read the Bible and appalled at some of it's content . So I'm probably going to hell, I suspect I'm probably not going be alone .
This is such a great way to turn it around. I am tired of being told by Christians that as an atheist i cannot possibly understand/interpret the bible to know god.
Wonderful choice of music.. Awakens in me the image of stumbling home sobered in the morning after a long euphoric night.
Great video! I hope your channel grows fast! Just subscribed. Always glad to have more voices of reason and skepticism on the internet.
Thanks, June. Welcome! Appreciate you being here.
wow! powerful stuff in this one. Great work, Brandon.
Thanks, John!
8:40 My brain/heart hurts hearing *13,500,000,000 YEARS* described as "suddenly." 😖
Ah yes, the Big Bang happened and "suddenly" oxygen existed that we could breathe...Only took 9.3 *billion* years for Earth to form after the Big Bang, then another 2 billion years for oxygen to _start_ accumulating, then another 2 billion years before the atmosphere got close enough to the current 21℅ oxygen balance we enjoy today. (Oh, and then it took another 100+ million years before fruit showed up!)
*My math:*
13,800 - 300 = 13,500 [million]
> Big Bang/time happened: 13.8 billion years ago
> Earth formed: 4.5 billion years ago (so 9.3 years after Big Bang)
> Photosynthesis started on Earth: 2.4 billion years ago
> Irreversible & significant change in the atmosphere due to free oxygen accumulating (1 - 2%): 2.33 billion years ago
> Oxygen levels reach a human friendly 19%: 300 million years ago
> (Since oxygen slowly accumulated, there's a range for when we could technically survive, and they only referenced enough oxygen existing that we could "breathe"...how long we could actually survive is another question. The earliest I can find a scientist saying we might have been able to _technically_ "breathe" is ~500 million years ago, but ~400 million years ago is the earliest we could breathe and not die, possibly able to maintain an uncomfortable existence short term.)
> Fruit-bearing plants evolved: Earliest I can find is ~180 million years ago, but fruit really started showing up 145.5 - 65.5 million years ago
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Could be wrong about these general dates, just what I can find googling while trying to stick to results that are sources scientists actually use. Fortunately, with numbers this big it's pretty easy to give a general range. I'm confident that *at least 13 billion years* passed between the Big Bang and the "sudden" existence of an atmosphere humans could breathe on Earth.
Brandon, you are a gift!!!! With each video I watch, you continue to break down the walls of indoctrination that have held my mind and soul in shackles for decades with sound reason and logic. Imagining the walls of Jericho here LOL! You provide a perspective I was unable to see and fathom and I'm learning to open my mind to the things I was solidly dead set against because of my indoctrination.
Music to my ears! Thank you
Keep them coming!!
Yes, sir!
It sometimes amazes me that I was once a Bible literalist who just assumed that God existed. I was so ignorant in my worldview.
I never thought through about the consequences of what I claimed to be true.
Thank you for a good video.
I support your idea to expand on some of the themes in this comment.
thank you Frank. I too am just amazed at my sheltered belief for so long. Thank goodness we found the truth!
bro you cooked the commenter. good job with this video. i hope the commenter understands your point after this video and has some ammount of reflection.
Bro - I so much appreciate your videos. They are so helpful to so many people - myself included. It's not just that you're pushing back against these truly horrible and incredibly damaging beliefs, but it's the way you do it. Your approach is thoughtful, reasoned, logical and well-articulated, and while you do get passionate at times, your response is calm and measured. It's good to know that there is a place for people who have escaped/are escaping the awful crucible of belief and faith to go to where they feel understood, seen and heard. My sincere thanks for what you do...
Thank you so much for this really encouraging feedback! Appreciate it!
Interesting that Christians would condemn radical Muslims for beheading someone the Muslims feel is sinning or is infidel, but the same Christians can engage in violence or murder when they feel people are breaking their values, as would apply to the abortion clinic issues Brandon mentions.
I was sitting here watching this video and thinking that if the person who wrote this response actually watches this he will certainly change his views on his religion and come to his senses, but, in reality, he will very likely dismiss every point you've made, and offer another response refuting everything you said with the same flawed arguments and go on to tell all his Christian friends how he taught an ignorant atheist TH-camr a lesson he'll never forget. Thus ends probably the longest sentence I've ever written. I'm going to sleep now until the nurse brings my medication.😊❤❤❤
Lol. It’s unfortunately probably true. But the foal is there will be others on the fence or doubting and this will help wake them up!
Thank you for breaking this down so well.
My pleasure. I was once trapped like this and wish someone would have just hammered in responses to all my incorrect thinking. Im sure i would have been resistant but still.
you are such a good speaker, please continue........
Thanks so much!
Well stated, keep it up!!!
Thank you much, will do!
Your content of responses is much appreciated! It was easy to become atheist at age 12, to spite my upbringing by a bible literalist mother. She brooked no questions and was prone to belt-swinging rages. That was 60 years ago, during which I studied sciences and have remained ever content with my decision. I've subscribed.
Appreciate that very much!
Brilliant!
Keep them coming!!
Always appreciate your support!
Standing ‘O’…good one bro!
Larry, my friend, that was not necessary, but thank you! Appreciate your kindness.
There is no ignorance like christian ignorance.
I challenge that! See: Muslim ignorance.
I’ve been sharing your channel. Looks like you’ve picked up about 300 subscribers in just the last 2 weeks. Congrats!
How did he gain 3k subscribers in the last two weeks when he doesn't even have a total of 2k subs as of this comment
@@Joshua52391 300 I apologize
@@Joshua52391 I changed it to 300. Thanks for catching that. Should have waited for my adderall and coffee to kick in.
Appreciate the support! Yes growing steadily and really thankful to those of you pushing a path!
@@jdnlaw1974 I wish I didn’t have to so regularly re-learn the lesson of, “Do not attempt even slightly more than shallow thoughts until coffee & Vyvanse have taken effect.”
But hell, how am I supposed to remember that, if the coffee and Vyvanse haven’t taken effect yet?!?!?”
Good channel, good stuff, keep up the good work!
Thank you much! will do, and thanks for being here.
Apologists _really_ seem to like "and then, all of a sudden..." Often compressing eons or epochs into one incredulous moment.
just like it says in their first few verses. Its their whole worldview. Its just sad at the end of the day.
“So you’re saying, there was a Big Bang, and all of a sudden I’m writing a comment on the internet?”
@@davidmgilbreath Practically the next thing.
1. Big Bang.
2. ?
3. Guy writes Stuff on Internet.
One of my main reasons for finally admitting I'm an atheist is the whole "where does God come from" question that believers are never allowed to ask. They are fine with mocking the atheist's support of the Big Bang, yet wouldn't consider allowing themselves to question or mock the notion of where God came from.
so very tired of god being where the buck stops, why?!
And why would we be created with a burning desire to KNOW why but not allowed to ASK why? IT MAKES NO SENSE. @@MindShift-Brandon
because god is a necessary being but the world is contingent so the world cannot come from itself
I cringe when Christian's say nonbelievers want to sin without feeling guilty. The nonbelievers I know want positive change in our communities, we want to be kind and generous. When we make mistakes we make amends because we want to, not because we have to. It's so not true it's difficult to hear
yes! its a defense mechanism. They somehow need to be able to do things or feel things we cant. If we are the same, what does that say about their god. uggg its so gross.
Loving your messages. Also, I am a bit inspired by your workstation, I am currently designing my next office space to be built over the next year or so. Your office is very inviting from the camera's perspective. I wonder if you change the configuration much in private use? I mostly just adjust the lighting brightness when I turn on my camera, and back down when I am out of public mode.
thank you, Kimberly! I do love my office/library that i've designed/curated over the last few years. It is pretty much the same when im working, just a lighting change here and there. I am really pleased with what I have been able to do in this small space. I have 3-4 angles I can shoot from, though this video is evidence of my favorite one. I'm sure I'll do an updated office/library tour at some point on the channel.
Outstanding !
Thanks!
I have no idea how you managed to get through that without losing your mind. Did you have to just pause, stop recording, and walk away a few times?
Ha! It does make the blood boil but this is now the reality of what i signed up for. My inbox and comments are flooded with this stuff. I know its all so silly to progressives and of course to nonbelievers but the hold this thinking has in America is very real and its those progressives cherry picking their way out of this radical belief that actually continues to pave a way for the fundies, so i still want to address it.
I’m just angry that Liberal Christians give so much way to their conservative radicals. I mean look at the crazy numbers of very comparatively young hypocrites conservative radicals that liberal Christians allowed into the life-term SCOTUS and all the lower federal and State courts.
@@MindShift-Brandon I am sorry you have to deal with this "stuff" but more of us should as things are getting worse now. Fundamentalism had a steroid injection over the last years need to be confronted.
" In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1
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"Then David said to Nathan, 'I have sinned against the Lord.' Nathan replied, 'The Lord has taken away your sin. You are not going to die.
But because by doing this you have shown utter contempt for the Lord, the son born to you will die'.” 2 Samuel 12:13-14
Even when I was religious, I found the claim that we were created in God's image to be dubious at best. I, like countless other former Christians, tried to reconcile all of the contradictions, double standards, doublespeak, and all of the other flaws and problems in order to keep the faith, but I was never truly able to, even during my most religious phase. First, it dawned on me after however-many years of the contrary that God was not and likely never going to do anything. Then, I finally realized that outside of blatant criminal acts, the only person who could truly hold me accountable was myself, and that if I wanted anything, I had to stop begging for (a.k.a. praying to) God to get off his @$$ and just do it myself instead.
There was never any sign that he was doing anything beneficial for me or anyone else indirectly, let alone directly. If anything, watching my high school classmate, who really was a golden child - athletic, smart, socialable, likable, all-around good, and yes, faithful - suffer from stomach cancer, waste away over the course of our senior year, and then die exactly one week after we graduated made God look like the most evil f^^^ ever. Sure, I can still look at the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and appreciate the skill and effort that went into creating it... but I also feel the urge to shoot a few dozen .50 BMG rounds into it to erase what I now perceive it as: insidious lying propaganda (fortunately for everyone, the appreciation overwhelms the desire to... "deconstruct" it).
Then, when I saw that South Park episode of God revealing himself to be... well, not human, I recognized that if God were indeed real, the possibility of that God looking like that was just as likely as God looking like a human or literally anything else (I imagine the fundamentalist would have reacted the same way Mr. Garrison did - "Well, not like that!"). And it is quite laughable how the fundamentalist kept trying to tie everything down as being directly caused by the Big Bang, especially how that's the exact claim made in Genesis. They were projecting so much and so hard onto the Big Bang and anything/everything else that you could call them an Epson.
BTW, that book, Why Evolution is True, was required reading in my evolutionary biology course... at the Texas public university I went to (go Bobcats). It was also around this time when I reached the same conclusion that Carlin did about murder/killing and religiosity (I saw the special that had that bit about a year after I reached that conclusion myself).
Man, comedy really showed things in a new light for me. I think it was a comedian (I am not sure who, and I am probably paraphrasing them) who said that comedians have severe problems with the illogical, and few things are as illogical as religion. Like Carlin said, you have to stand in awe at the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims that is religion (I don't pray to Joe Pesci, though - no, that goes to Lisa the Rainbow Giraffe, Leaf be upon Her).
Thank you for taking the time to share all this. I can relate on so much of it. Glad you are finally free of it all. Comedy is the best way to cut through so much of the nonsense. I dont have the satire of nonstampcollector or darkmatter2525 so ive got to punch with logic ha. Appreciate you being here!
@@MindShift-Brandon Oh man, that video about God designing humans, Jeffrey asking him what if two males touch their junk together, and God instantly going Sodom-Gomorrah before Jeffrey stops him - still one of the funniest things from darkmatter2525 I have ever seen.
"Then, when I saw that South Park episode ..." ---- non sequitur.
"conclusion that Carlin did" --- Carlin's humor is expressed through absurdity. If you recognize absurdity your faith would be strengthened and not diminished.
@@andrewferg8737 So you agree that it is absurd to believe in an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do every minute of every day and has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do, and that he has a special place of punishment to send you to for not following that rather arbitrary list and have you burn and choke and scream and wail and cry forever and ever until the end of time, yet still loves you as he asks for money because being all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-wise somehow does not come with any financial skills?
Great, good to know that your faith is given only to the absurd.
Thank you!
EXCELLENT video!
Thank you very much!
Your last point made me think about the fact that God, if he were real, is really sick and needs to get help for his mental health issues that He needs to trap people in a system where he threatens to imprison and torture them for eternity because He desperately needs them to love Him unconditionally and serve and praise Him. That's incredibly narcissistic and abusive. Unsurprisingly, this belief perfectly grooms people for parental abuse, cult subservience and authoritarian obedience, because that's exactly what this teaching is designed to do. It barely even references the collection of contradictory scriptures it cherry picks from, and certainly doesn't care about context, or it wouldn't even be so cohesive.
Spot on. What a broken and ridiculous system
I find it amusing how he tells you that you’re just following people’s opinions and in his very next point, he says that he is basing his notions on the Ark on reports from people who visited Mount Ararate.
yes! there was so much irony and absurdity in this, i didnt even catch that one. Thank you!
Excellent response!!
Thank you!
I really like this video.
God creates people, but if you decide not to believe or accept him, or even if you never had the chance to know him, he sends you to eternal punishment? Haha, that's one POS of a god Brandon 😆
Ahh the beautiful story of salvation.
Don't forget, Jesus brags in the gospel of Matthew that he will perjure himself before the father so many who perform miracles in his name will be sent to eternal torment alongside all of those godless heathen. I can't think of anything more evil than that.
God gets angry when people kill, steal and destroy I don't understand why. 🤔
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 And I dont understand how you dont have any reading comprehension at all…no one mentioned any of those things…Oh and your god is in favor of all of those things, the bible literally says so lol
Exactly! This god DOES infringe upon free will by creating demons that do so!
God doesn't mess up; he created everything and knew every outcome and he saw that it was... umm... 'good'... as he laughed maniacally while rubbing his hands in anticipation.
thats an interesting point that i hadnt really connected the dots on. Yes he created everything with omniscience to see the whole picture and he called it good. Damn.
God is the good and evil in one being if he exist. He created the son and the demons and Satin. That is if he is real.
If he were real I'd feel like we where an "Ant farm," kids use to buy and put in their bedroom. You could watch the ant colony in action and give them a little food and water. I think you can still buy them.
We'd be no more than an ant farm for his entertainment if we even had that much value.
Great video!
Thank you for watching!
good shit, bro.
Thank you much!
Yeah! Great, MindShift, approach these young Earthers with Boxing gloves & Ko, them with clean, Genuine Knowledge. Cheers🥃.
Cheers! Its hard to remember how entrenched i used to be but comments like this show remind me. Then i feel so lucky to be where i am now. I just want to pay it forward and hopefully help a few people out of this trapped thinking themselves.
Thanks, MindShift, for your Brilliantly worded Statement. Cheers 🥂.
to be honest, you seem obsessed with me and you dont beleive me at all. You are hands down this channel's top commenter which means also the top reason youtube continues to show my videos. If you really disagree with me, i am surprised you watch every single video and comment so very much.
Take care not to get drawn into attempts to respond to Gish gallops like this too often. It takes a lot longer to debunk B.S. than to vomit it out.
Good advice for sure! Thanks
Indoctrination is a hell of a drug.
When I first hear these I want to laugh at how pathetically stupid the arguments are, but then I have to realize this person has been told these things regularly since birth. Despite my parents believing in Christianity they were not terribly educated on the subject and we didn't go to church, so I didn't have this hammered into me as a child. But I understand how indoctrination works. I personally don't care what anyone believes, I judge them by their actions. However it's sad that people like Elijah here can't accept others and leave it at that. Their religion won't allow it.
Well put. I was this deeply indoctrinated and did believe these things and its impossible to separate the bad actions from the bad thoughts. One follows the others. I was bigoted and self righteous and willfully ignorant etc. and only because i was being obedient and faithful. Compassion and truth are hopefully the answer.
@@MindShift-Brandon my brother is a real believer (our differences is a very long story), and I know he is a good person, but when something comes up that goes against the current popular christian belief, LGBTQ+ rights, womens bodily autonomy, etc, he hides behind the bible and says it's not their "belief". Ironically I think that helped me understand why people who fall into a religion act as they do. Not all of them, or liekly even a majority, really hate others. But they have been programmed to, and have to follow the church to be accepted.
I have a lot of respect for you for breaking away and not lying to yourself. It can't be an easy thing to give up your whole life just because it doesn't seem true anymore.
Thank you. I was just so lucky to somehow find my way out. And i hear you about your brother. He is probably otherwise a wonderful person, but one cannot help, if they truly believe what the bible says, going down these certain roads.
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Appreciate and your other thoughts and comments!
Great points
Thank you much.
Reading that comment made my IQ drop by a few points. I need a beer.
Its hard to swallow but not unique. Wish these were the outliers by at least here in America its par for the course.
@@MindShift-Brandon I'd love to see you in formal debate with an apologist. Your past gives you a unique perspective and I think you would do well.
I'd love to get into it more, think I might need to get the channel bigger first before I merit anyones time in that capacity. But its on the map for sure! thank you.
@@MindShift-Brandon You are serving mankind well just on the channel if more comes later great.
Morality is a necessary consequence of being a social animal. It is the survival strategy of our species. We treat others as we would like to be treated because social order requires social behavior. There is tension between being part of a collective and being an individual, and what we call morality is a complex web of interactions that mediate between thought, social order, and innate impulses.
The problem is that we need the imperative to be stronger so we invent an overarching justification for moral behavior, but pretending doesn't make a thing so, no matter how strong the need.
Wouldn't claim it's innate just social. But yeah, obviously when you're a social species you have an incentive to act in a socially acceptable manner. Some don't, and we call those people sociopaths.
@@TheMahayanist All social animals have social behavior by definition. They defend each other, they share food, they organize cooperative tasks such as hunting, evading predators, or caring for each other's offspring. All of this behavior is innate and would be considered "moral" if we didn't define morality to exclude nonhumans.
i love this topic and have been going deeper in it than usual to prepare for my video on it, so thank you both for your input. I think we are all saying essentially the same thing here.
@@bradypustridactylus488 Yeah. I don't consider anything "innate" that notion isn't coherent.
Rather it's just given a set of initial conditions, you have a particular result. The result of the initial condition of being a social animal is having a social behavior. Doesn't require positing something unfalsifiable like Innatism.
@@MindShift-Brandon We are but I'm not positing something unfalsifiable. I don't believe there is anything innate and the notion is impossible to falsify, thus unfalsifiable.
Thanks
Appreciate that! Thank you very much!
I always find it funny when Christians, particularly fundies, have this idea that you can choose to believe things or choose to be a homosexual/some other LGBTQIA+ identity. You can't. When it comes to believing things purely by choice alone I challenge fundies to choose to believe in Odin the All-Father without seeing anything to do with Norse Pagan legends, I don't think they could. As for the ability to choose to be gay or trans, I challenge fundies to choose to be attracted to the same sex, or choose to be the opposite of their biological sex. Again, I don't think they could.
I feel the need to disagree with your lion analogy. Lions, like humans, are a social species and absolutely do make social decisions. Morality is humans putting names to evolved behaviors. This is why “objective morality” is a bad argument for god. Our shared morality is easily explained as a function of our shared evolutionary heritage, without any need for god, just like a lion’s behavior. We both act the way we evolved. Humans have just developed the ability to talk about it.
Excellent video, new sub. ❤
Thank you so much. Welcome to the family! Glad to have you here.
A note on “made in his image”:
The human body with it’s limbs and organs, is suited to breath air, stand and move across land, sense a limited range of electromagnetic radiation and chemistry, and interact with physical objects. Those qualities would be wholly unsuitable for a universe creating entity, that existed an eternity in a complete void.
Contrary to Lions... we Humans do have an Evolved brain.... but we are Still Eating Lambs... jjj...
"There was a Big Bang and then all of a sudden ..."
Xtians: "Something cannot come into being from nothing" EXCEPT MY favorite god who can do MAGIC tricks and create everything out of nothing.
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LOL
oh the irony.
@@MindShift-Brandon The real irony is that same people who keep repeating Gen 1: 1 as a chant and who have no answer to how/when/where ... need all the details from the non-believers.
LOL
I can't tell you how big of a pet peeve this is to me. It's so damn illogical! EVERYTHING in this universe, god created. It's origin is god. But when you ask them a very logical question........"then who created god? What's his origin?" They'll literally look at you like another head suddenly grown out of the side of your neck. What do you mean who created god? He's ALWAYS been here. He's the Alpha and the Omega. The beginning and the end. And they NEVER see the irony in their reply. SMH!!!
@@dinard38 The thing about ignorance is that one doesn't even know they don't know.
Thank you for diving into these topics. I had to laugh at “demonic covenants” even thought it’s not funny. I’ve heard that one way too much.
With pleasure. Generation sin is 100% biblical and should be near the top of the list for arguments against free will and the morality or justice of god.
Yeah, I think that whole idea is pretty hilarious as well. I wish these people could see how completely stupid they look to normal people when they say stuff like that.
I've always been skeptical of covenants. They sound like a tool used by a cult leader to manage his human property.
Man you are so right !! You say what I say
Christian: "We are made in God's image. "
Me; " Which hand does God wipe his ass with?"
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I'd love to see more videos that focus on "progressive Christian" beliefs. I often see moderate/progressive Christians talk as if most ex-Christians who de-convert do so because they come from fundementalist/conservative sects; the assumption is that the ex-fundie's faith was fragile because it was based on obviously false premises (i.e. if the story of Noah's ark didn't happen exactly as described in Genesis, then the Bible is not literally true; if the Bible is not literally true, then how can we trust any of its claims?), and that their de-conversion is just a pendulum swing from one extreme to another. My impression is that these critics seem to think their own beliefs are logically consistent with what we know about the world and thus safe from scrutiny. Speaking as someone who also de-converted from a progressive sect of Christianity: LMAO.
you nailed it. They thing the fundies are the crazy ones and they have it right. Its even more frustrating and dishonest in my opinion. And yes videos coming!
the 'progressive christians', if the time comes and christianity somehow gains the upper hand again, will stay in the crowd either cheering or watching passively the doubters and unbelievers screaming in the torturing hands of the fundamentalists.
@rboland2173 THIS! This was the thing that cut the last tether I was grasping onto to try to retain some semblance of my faith. I'd almost convinced myself I could hold onto some kind of nebulous, theistic, evolutionary-based, progressive Christianity. Then the identity-shattering realization that the very concept of Original Sin was so incompatible with human evolution (which, I believe, has too much evidence to be refuted) it made my stomach churn and my body physically shake with the realization that it was over: I had no excuses, and no reasons left to believe. And once the grief had passed and I realized I was still alive and the world was still there and still beautiful, I never looked back. And I'm glad. 💛
You have fundamentalist that believes that the bible is the literal word of god, and nothing will change their mind. I believe that once atheists, agnostic, questioning peeps started making sound, logical arguments against the bible, some of these fundamentalists suddenly realized that they couldn't refute these strong arguments, so they came up with the concept that the bible is the "inspired" word of god and some of the bible is literal and some is metaphorical. How many TV shows or movies were "inspired" by true or fictional (like based off of a fictional novel) events? Point is, the "inspired" story is not real.
So christians, you can't have it both ways. The bible is either the literal word of god or it's not, and if it is, then you have to accept all of the horrific things that god did.
It's unsettling to see how quickly the commenter spiraled into one of the most threatening forms of the "you just want to sin" accusation I've ever seen.
It's also unsettling how common that accusation is, I'd call it an argument, but calling it an argument would suggest that there's anything to debate. All "you just want to sin" is is an ad hominem attack and an accusation of not getting one's morality from a morally questionable god.
the good old "you just want to sin" is always weird. Maybe the religi0us dude never heard about tax agencies / authorities. I mean, those are mere mortals. Yet, you cannot become tax free by just denying their existence. And then come the g0d fans and tell us that we wanna slip under the g0d radar with a simple denial.
religi0n kills the brain, so it seems
You've mentioned consciousness a few times before, that I've heard, and I'd be interested in hearing you explain what consciousness is. I've argued before that any qualifiers you put on it, with the exception of species, that make animals not or less conscious you can also apply to other humans as an excuse for harmful discrimination which makes people somewhat uncomfortable with the topic. I think it makes it an interesting question though and I feel like you'd have a take on it that I'd enjoy listening to.
I feel like we agree here just based off what you have said. Thanks for the rec. im sure ill do something related soon.
Under Islam god is the master and we are the slaves atleast they are honest about it.
Yes. I actually respect these fundamentalists a bit more in some way over more liberal christians because at least they are taking god at his word, their faith is misplaced but seems more genuine if you understand what i mean. Same with Islam like you say.
Christians are also honest about it, it's just less on the nose. Greek Christians would call themselves Christodoulos, the Christian verse of Abdullah, slave of God/Christ.
Ultimately, Christianity and Islam are the same religion, just cultural differences over millennia and different source texts make up the differences. But they're not too dissimilar, and Islam probably originated as a Judaized Christian sect.
God doesn't have principles. Principles are a by-product of not knowing everything. If you knew everything you wouldn't need principles because you would always know what to do. Principles are like a tape measure to apply to life situations to help figure out what to do. If you automatically know the measurement of everything you encounter, you have no need of a tape measure.
and now it would be really interesting to hear about the lab equipment, scientific method which revealed any property of the g0d. Otherwise, I might have to think that you take a silly b00k too seriously. A b00k about a never ever detected, not even well defined entity.
Thumbnail: you are flipping the bird at the fanatic right... nice 👍
Ha! Not intentional. Theres two fingers up, i promise. But also not that mad about it. Freudian gesture maybe.
@@MindShift-Brandon or confirmation bias perhaps hehe
Really appreciate your content! Very useful. I think it helps to admit the Bible does have some valuable notions within it, while also recognizing it has a lot of ancient, outdated thinking in it. The nuance it takes to separate those things is hard, but helpful. If there is a God, it’s likely all reality would somehow point us to it, not just words on a page. It doesn’t make sense to limit God to one book.
If god did create the world then he sure did a good job of making it look like he didn't. And the only explanation for why it looks like that is "well god works in mysterious ways".
God made the world and indeed the universe look like he was not involved, he planted an entire history of clues that provide a complete explanation of how it can be done without him, and the *ONLY* thing that he puts against that in his bible is "ignore the science and give money to your local priest".
Sounds legit.
the amount of times I heard the argument that the devil planted the fossils to deceive us....its revolting!
@@MindShift-Brandon Ah yes, the devil, one more of god's failed creations that is somehow able to do things that god really doesn't want to have happen, but just can stop.
Also: it's funny how fossils are 'planted by the devil" when they are not allowed to evidence evolution, but they are pure science when they evidence a young earth or a stranded Ark....
Keep up the good work, I love channels by people who have been part of the madness that is religion.
thats a great point. Selective Science Appreciation! and thank you!
That's exactly what I say. The world looks exactly like you'd expect if there wasn't any god. So if there IS a god, that would be contrary to what we do know.
7:22 "We have proof of god because we are in his image"
I wonder if the person who said that believes that god has nipples. If so, I wonder what he believes they are for.
Lol! A question i have never thought of!
It’s a well known fact that god’s nipples are as superfluous as a man’s; solid proof - if ever there was any - we were made in his image…
Brilliant effort! 👏 Thank you for trying to make the World a better place by debunking Christianity. Cheers from Melbourne Australia! 🇦🇺 Subscribed!
Cheers! Thank you for being here!
"God created man in His own image, and man has been trying to repay the favor ever since.”Voltaire
Christianity is so inexcusably anti-human.
Pro God in this case does seem to mean anti human. Thats an interesting concept to think about. thanks.
Mar, if you just commented on the occasional video or commented with a kind request to explain something, i would reply to every single comment. But instead you spam the same comments over and over to anyone that replies to any of my videos. My offer stands to have a conversation or to start replying to your comments when you start doing so appropriately. have a great day.
0:41 Yeah that’s true though. I could have expressed it better by saying “You never understood what being christian means”. And you still don’t.
well, at least I called it. Let's assume you are right. When do we get to look at gods role in all this? I was raised believing in Jesus' death for my salvation. I prayed, read my bible, worshipped, studied, and cared about knowing and pleasing god. I went on mission trips, evangelized, repented of sin, and was saved by the grace of god. I read his holy book as often as I could and cherished its word. If, after all that for 30 years, I could not grasp whatever "correct" version of Christianity was supposedly real, who failed here, god or me? The narcissism of your self-righteousness to judge my belief like that is astounding, Tom.
@@MindShift-Brandon We connected and I love your style and your intelligence, Brandon, I just said that to someone else, but your unwillingness, or inability, to differentiate between the warped type of christianity that you grew up with and “the vast majority of 2,000 years of christianity” is not helping the strength of your arguments. They end up being weaker than what they could be.