I'm a KTP 5305 retiree. I built hundreds of thousands of these models over the years. I noticed there weren't any spacers in the clutch housing, and that led me to believe this was why the oil looked as good as it did, given the age and mileage that was disclosed in the video. When these transmissions were built properly and maintained, they're capable of lasting forever. Lesser the seals and gaskets, and if one uses AP205, that can also allow those to last for decades as well. Today's models can not even come close to the proven quality of one of the best automatic transmissions ever manufactured. Another model that was extremely reliable was the 404 three speed. One of my uncles designed that model way back in the 70s. He worked in one of my old departments' 9300 valve body main repair, and his idea reached Lee Iacocca, and he leaped at the idea for the K car platform that actually saved the entire company. Pertaining to the 404, what made it unique was that it was practical and, most importantly, cheap to build. The value body wasn't a traditional styled three piece. It was a two-piece. And the cost for no issue production cost the company at the time $150 per unit to build and MOPAR sold them at an average price of $1,250 and that was one of the best ways to make money during those years. We needed trusted quality and yet retain cost to a minimum. People can say whatever they want about the Chrysler transmission. Those units had a history that even the most knowledgeable MOPAR historian still yet to this day has no idea just how great they actually are. You see most of the entire driveline actually wasn't much of Chrysler designers idea at all but actually one of the best if not the best auto manufacturers ever and nobody would ever guess to whom that company might have been. But I know and I'm gonna let you in on it. It was Studebaker. That's correct ladies and gentlemen. The one and only iconic Studebaker. As a matter of fact KTP still uses the bar machines that Chrysler purchased from Studebaker decades ago to make such things as the sun gears ⚙️ for the rear carrier. Let alone the overall design and internal process. I also bet that you didn't realize that Chrysler to this day only builds automatics. Chrysler has never actually built any manual transmissions throughout its existence. Yep I'm very proud of my connection of this great company being the 5th generation of MOPAR. The company has survived and who knows perhaps one day it can be actually owned by someone again in the this country instead of being mistreated as it has been for many many years.
Thanks Greg. I’m 77 and doing my first rebuild of a 64 Dodge 727. As a tool&die maker of over 50 years, I’m hoping for a good build. I appreciate the knowledge of you guys that made the video and the comments! Building a 64 Dodge Polara ….. my way! Good or bad, it’ll be interesting I hope!
My dads friend helped me rebuild a 904 Torqflight back in 1971! He was a Dodge mechanic who worked on Mopars thru the fifties and sixties. He could do everything! His garage looked like a Mopar Auto Parts store!!😀
Yeah it is - Ma Mopar may have cut a few corners to save a few bucks when it came to building these cars but the money spent on engineering these things was top notch.
can you get a parts list from TCI Automotive to replace and upgrade a torque flight 727 36rh and or 37rh 727 tf-8 it is in my old 1980 Maserati Quattroporte III that came with a torque flight And I want to make it better for upgrades: 'improvement' kits, specifically the Transgo SK-TF or the TF-1 enhancements (slightly crisper shifting, additional downshift control). Good clutches and bands make a big difference. I would get a better kick-down lever too. The stock transmission have a 2.8 to 1 lever. If you can get a 3.2, 4.2 or even a 5.0 lever it will really firm up the 1/2 shift.
Please tell me your pan doesn’t leak….and then tell me what you used and details on torquing! 😂 I have a deep aluminum pan and have tried the blue Mopar pan gasket front still seeps. Did the baby powder trick doesn’t show anything else leaking. Now just installed a real gaskets Tennessee gasket with aviation gasket maker in all the holes and surface so we will see this weekend if she seals. Thanks for all you do!! I hope to be In east TN soon hope to meet you all
You guys doing any upgrades? Like 5/or 6 pinion steel planetaries, billet drums, billet input and output shafts, extra clutches and steels, new bands and how's the pump body? How's the pump gears?😊
Thank you so much for the video. I may need it. Im hoping to avoid a rebuild if i can but first i need to diagnose this new sound. Its whirring/whining that sounds identical to bad torque converter bearings accept it is loudest in neutral and deceleration in gear. Even noticeable in park but not as loud. And a noticeable clunk when shifting from neutral to reverse or drive. Transmission seems to work great though. Please tell me you have an idea what that is?
@@moparconnection Since it seems a 727 is simple I'm hoping it's hard to puck up on a rebuild. Says it was dynotested and I have the paperwork with specs.
Well I have a 727 TCI street fighter...one word of advice when doing a burnout flat the floor DO NOT shift it into 2nd gear. Because 2nd gear becomes dust at that point....junk
Nice build! Can you tell me where I can purchase one of those hi-tech stands that you had on the bench tear down of the trans. I think it was used to keep the trans from rolling over. Should I go to Home Depot or Lowes? And is the yellow better than the red one? Asking for a friend.
Geez guys draining: I'm 75. It's about 509 times easier to pick part of the front up, rotate off the bench, and allow the tail to rest on the bench. Then you have full control, just rotating it and allowing it to drain
Man, why aren't you using any transmission assembly lube or feeler gauges on the seal installs? You're going to cut them seals up and it's not going to have any lube. You're just putting it together dry. You can't do that man
awefull music, slow motion, we want to see all of the parts swapping ect. just as we have to do it, then we know how and miss nothing, didnt seem like we got all the swap and build in this completely..
I don't care who you are why in the hell would you drill on the workbench around the rest of the valve body and then washed the shavings out all over the place. Why not simply take it somewhere else and drill it and blow it out 🎉
I'm a KTP 5305 retiree. I built hundreds of thousands of these models over the years. I noticed there weren't any spacers in the clutch housing, and that led me to believe this was why the oil looked as good as it did, given the age and mileage that was disclosed in the video. When these transmissions were built properly and maintained, they're capable of lasting forever. Lesser the seals and gaskets, and if one uses AP205, that can also allow those to last for decades as well. Today's models can not even come close to the proven quality of one of the best automatic transmissions ever manufactured. Another model that was extremely reliable was the 404 three speed. One of my uncles designed that model way back in the 70s. He worked in one of my old departments' 9300 valve body main repair, and his idea reached Lee Iacocca, and he leaped at the idea for the K car platform that actually saved the entire company. Pertaining to the 404, what made it unique was that it was practical and, most importantly, cheap to build. The value body wasn't a traditional styled three piece. It was a two-piece. And the cost for no issue production cost the company at the time $150 per unit to build and MOPAR sold them at an average price of $1,250 and that was one of the best ways to make money during those years. We needed trusted quality and yet retain cost to a minimum. People can say whatever they want about the Chrysler transmission. Those units had a history that even the most knowledgeable MOPAR historian still yet to this day has no idea just how great they actually are. You see most of the entire driveline actually wasn't much of Chrysler designers idea at all but actually one of the best if not the best auto manufacturers ever and nobody would ever guess to whom that company might have been. But I know and I'm gonna let you in on it. It was Studebaker. That's correct ladies and gentlemen. The one and only iconic Studebaker. As a matter of fact KTP still uses the bar machines that Chrysler purchased from Studebaker decades ago to make such things as the sun gears ⚙️ for the rear carrier. Let alone the overall design and internal process. I also bet that you didn't realize that Chrysler to this day only builds automatics. Chrysler has never actually built any manual transmissions throughout its existence. Yep I'm very proud of my connection of this great company being the 5th generation of MOPAR. The company has survived and who knows perhaps one day it can be actually owned by someone again in the this country instead of being mistreated as it has been for many many years.
This is an OUTSTANDING comment! Thank you!
@Mopar Connection Magazine You're welcome friend 👍
I already read this comment. It was already posted prior to my comment 😂. Enjoy.
Thanks Greg. I’m 77 and doing my first rebuild of a 64 Dodge 727. As a tool&die maker of over 50 years, I’m hoping for a good build. I appreciate the knowledge of you guys that made the video and the comments! Building a 64 Dodge Polara ….. my way! Good or bad, it’ll be interesting I hope!
My dads friend helped me rebuild a 904 Torqflight back in 1971! He was a Dodge mechanic who worked on Mopars thru the fifties and sixties. He could do everything! His garage looked like a Mopar Auto Parts store!!😀
That's awesome!
I miss having these types of guys as neighbors!!!!!!
I can see extreme skill in this old fella im impressed id love to have seen more he is a true og
Jim really knows his way around a TorqueFlite.
Good job! I am planning my 727 rebuild this spring
That's awesome!
Where can I order a kit like that for my 1972 Dodge B100 727 transmission?
I built one in 2015 from 2 different transmissions and never opened one up before, 727 is so easy to rebuild.
Yeah it is - Ma Mopar may have cut a few corners to save a few bucks when it came to building these cars but the money spent on engineering these things was top notch.
Perfect I was getting to rebuild one this weekend
Glad to be a little helpful!
can you get a parts list from TCI Automotive to replace and upgrade a torque flight 727 36rh and or 37rh 727 tf-8 it is in my old 1980 Maserati Quattroporte III that came with a torque flight And I want to make it better for upgrades: 'improvement' kits, specifically the Transgo SK-TF or the TF-1 enhancements (slightly crisper shifting, additional downshift control). Good clutches and bands make a big difference. I would get a better kick-down lever too. The stock transmission have a 2.8 to 1 lever. If you can get a 3.2, 4.2 or even a 5.0 lever it will really firm up the 1/2 shift.
No but you can! Just call them up!
Please tell me your pan doesn’t leak….and then tell me what you used and details on torquing! 😂
I have a deep aluminum pan and have tried the blue Mopar pan gasket front still seeps. Did the baby powder trick doesn’t show anything else leaking. Now just installed a real gaskets Tennessee gasket with aviation gasket maker in all the holes and surface so we will see this weekend if she seals. Thanks for all you do!! I hope to be In east TN soon hope to meet you all
Works great. Just a TCI pan with a paper gasket and Permatex Right Stuff.
Try torque of 115 in lbs I'm a criss cross pattern go 85 then 115...inch lbs...not foot lbs.
Thanks guys.
Our pleasure!
I want that Moparty shirt lol
They’ll be for sale at the show!
You guys doing any upgrades? Like 5/or 6 pinion steel planetaries, billet drums, billet input and output shafts, extra clutches and steels, new bands and how's the pump body? How's the pump gears?😊
Nothing too crazy, but if you watch you’ll see what we used.
Thank you so much for the video. I may need it. Im hoping to avoid a rebuild if i can but first i need to diagnose this new sound. Its whirring/whining that sounds identical to bad torque converter bearings accept it is loudest in neutral and deceleration in gear. Even noticeable in park but not as loud. And a noticeable clunk when shifting from neutral to reverse or drive. Transmission seems to work great though. Please tell me you have an idea what that is?
Glad it helped
Would a 4x4 727 out of a 89 behind a Cummins be the same tear down and rebuild
They’re very close, but not the same.
I just put a tci into my d200. Seems they have attention to detail when it arrived. Have not started it up yet.
Keep us posted!
@@moparconnection Since it seems a 727 is simple I'm hoping it's hard to puck up on a rebuild. Says it was dynotested and I have the paperwork with specs.
Well I have a 727 TCI street fighter...one word of advice when doing a burnout flat the floor DO NOT shift it into 2nd gear. Because 2nd gear becomes dust at that point....junk
I use the Insta-Clean machine to wash the case and pan.
Nice
Thinking about tackling the rebuild for the 727 in my 91 Cummins. How long did the job take you guys?
With all the parts on hand, about 2-3 days including filming.
Nice build! Can you tell me where I can purchase one of those hi-tech stands that you had on the bench tear down of the trans. I think it was used to keep the trans from rolling over. Should I go to Home Depot or Lowes? And is the yellow better than the red one? Asking for a friend.
LOL! If it's not a brick or a block or wood, we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves. :P
How do identify the trans i have. I have a 360 stroked to 400. Its has a 3 speed but im not sure what type.
You might want to Google “torqueflite transmission pan identification” and compare his to one on there. It's either a 727 or 904.
Geez guys draining: I'm 75. It's about 509 times easier to pick part of the front up, rotate off the bench, and allow the tail to rest on the bench. Then you have full control, just rotating it and allowing it to drain
Yeah that wasn’t graceful
Sorry my mistake you did soak the clutches, but 🚫 in the old pan! Use a small bucket!
Meh the pan worked fine
If you're Editor in chief, how the hell do you find the time to film and upload videos? That's a big freaking job man!
LOL thankfully we’ve got an amazing team at MCM who make putting out the daily magazine a lot easier than ever before.
Man, why aren't you using any transmission assembly lube or feeler gauges on the seal installs? You're going to cut them seals up and it's not going to have any lube. You're just putting it together dry. You can't do that man
Good observation, but we didn't show everything (it's be hours long). That and Jim is 30-year a certified Chrysler technician. We followed his lead.
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I Lost 2 gear😮
This Is good home made✌️
Ouch!
awefull music, slow motion, we want to see all of the parts swapping ect. just as we have to do it, then we know how and miss nothing, didnt seem like we got all the swap and build in this completely..
Thanks for watching!
I don't care who you are why in the hell would you drill on the workbench around the rest of the valve body and then washed the shavings out all over the place. Why not simply take it somewhere else and drill it and blow it out 🎉
I can assure you it was clean before assembly.
@moparconnection No Doubt , just didn't make sense