CBG19 is the 19th iteration of CBG. Much like Neo in The Matrix, who is the 6th Neo in the 6th iteration of The Matrix, CBG is the 19th CBG in the 19th iteration of the universe. And much like The Matrix, which lasts from 1980-2019, the universe lasts from 1985 to 2024 and starts all over again, each time more perfect than before. I hope this profound truth has illuminated you.
I think comicbookgirl19 is the only TH-camr that takes the effort of talking about the politics behind the movies she likes [or dislikes]. Thanks CBG19! I love your energy and spontaneity and freshness!
Best old man make up I've seen is Exorcist from 1973! The make up of the Priest was so good that the 40+ year old actor didn't land roles for a long time because every casting director thought he was a 75+ old.
Totally agree. I was shocked when I saw Max Von Sydow in Minority Report, which came out what, almost 30 years after the Exorcist? He looked exactly the same. Even when I watch the Exorcist now his makeup still amazes me.
+Drinko76 Uhhh, dude, sure she does. You've got a blocky, light blue head with a quadrifcated dark blue squarish center. Jeeze, make such a claim and forget you've attached your photo in the avatar.
I'm only 8 mins in, but on the "old man" makeup they were intentionally aging Weyland well beyond the normal life span we're accustomed to. He is supposed to represent someone who has lived past his life expectancy (zombie-esk) and that is why the makeup was so over done. Don't get me wrong it bothered me at first, but once I understood this it was no longer an issue for me. 25 mins in now and I agree, I absolutely love the David/Broader Spectrum aspect of the original SP! Overall, I'm with you on this one, there is great elements in both scripts. Honestly the script just needed a bit more time/effort to flush them both out perfectly.
I'd say the Mahabharata and vedic text rival the bible. In as much as "alien" storytelling. It even has pictures of the flying craft, instructions how to fly them, descriptions of space based weapons that seemed to describe nuclear weaponry. ect. Wars of the "Gods"
The text you mention (" has pictures of the flying craft") is totally fake, not in a way pat of real vedas (that were also oral tradition for a huge amount of time until being written down). It can be googled in like in 30-40 seconds. Which really undermines your otherwise correct point PS not sure my English is accurate, but I'm from Ukraine
First I found the old man's make up crappy too. But I think he isnt supposed to look just like an old man. He is about 100 years old and went through some future medical threatments that keep him alive. And that is why he looks so weird. Just like really old people got plastic surgery and face lifting look weird.
that aura now being one suffused with confidence? is that bad? if you think so you might want to self reflect on that one, buddy, cause it definitely ain't cute.
lovableasshole I dont really care about how you think women should behave and portray themselves. I think this attitude and way of expressing herself is more adorable and I prefer it.
Posting to TH-cam, not getting paid for it, and especially reading TH-cam comments, has sucked out her life force and aged her by 10 years in the past 3.
Thanks for doing the research and sharing it all. I've watched it a few times and feel the same way... I love Ridley Scott and wanted to love this one and kinda still do but it also frustrates me for all the reasons you covered and more. Still, there is so much to admire about it. I love the grand question of who created us and why... and how the rich old dude wanted to live longer and went to such lengths to achieve it... David was awesome even though he was evil at times. I still hate that Ridley got ripped off by the academy in 2000 for best director. He should have won for Gladiator which won best picture. I'd like to start a movement to get him a lifetime achievement award.
Even if Chariots of the Gods is re-issued, don't spend serious money on it. Loved it as a little kid, with all the wild speculation, but not when I learned about history and archaeology. There are no "mysteries" about how the pyramids were built, etc. You can probably pick up a copy at the library or a used book store.
“I think Damon Lindleof's best product is yet to come.” Danika, I believe that day has come with ‘The Leftovers.’ This 2nd Season (so far) has been a MASTERPIECE and I hope there's an EPIC breakdown of the season. Tons of details to breakdown and analyze.
+ShaunJW1 Imagine if David and Shaw never made it to the Engineer home world. What if the ship is adrift somewhere in space, with new horrors unleashed on the ship waiting for a salvage crew to come along...
GenoX1987 I am truly hoping that the sequel does involve the xenomoprh aliens hunting down both humans and engineers ;p, i just hope the story line is as intriguing as the first one as it was pretty intense.
The one thing a lot of reviewers of "Prometheus" have as yet to mention is Ridley Scott's intention to weave in a connection between the Alien/Prometheus world and that of the Blade Runner universe. There's a reason we had Ash, Bishop and David and that is they are descendants of Tyrell in "Blade Runner". So that's what and why I believe this film "seems" uneven. He's yet to connect those "dots" as it were. Now whether the groundswell of negativity toward "Prometheus" is changing that connection Scott had initially planned, I'm not sure. The thing that makes me a little disappointed is that a) Noomi Rapace is not going to be back as Shaw, and b) Scott has changed the name of the film to make it a definitive part of the Alien world with "Alien: Covenant". And that for me is very disturbing. I really wanted to see a direct sequel to "Prometheus" and not have it link directly to the "Alien" world as of yet. Also the thing that you didn't point out is that Ridley Scott still does not get final cut on his films. Unlike a Spielberg or a Soderburgh, he often times doesn't get final cut. And that is very disappointing.
Who said it had to be connected and why would they be connected?! Does evrything have to be connected these days? Conect the universes, sure why not, BUT why do we need to connect the characters? You're going to write you're self into a corner like with Star wars constantly following the Skywalkers and there constantly being an empire to fight. The same goes with the Terminator as when you tell the best story you can tell with 2 characters most important in stoping human ennialation there's nothing as intresting as that to tell no more, or the Predator franchise, you're limited by what makes you're characters and franchises stand out a predator, a jungle solid characters for it to kill all else would feal "alien". Well the studio twisted Ridley's arm to change the ending of the original also, as he wanted an ending in wich the xeno would pop back in grab Ripley and pull her out into space. So no wonder they're not so sure about he's decisions, and again we're talking about Fox, they're known to mess up a film them selfs.
30:28 Do Androids dream Of Electric Sheep....thats the book Blade Runner was based on, and also one of Ridley Scott's masterpieces...so i find David an excellent nod to that... idk if it's an easter egg but it's interesting i think :)
Thank you for consolidating all of your Prometheus segments. It is one of those movies which I love the concept of more than the actual finished product. I'm also a sucker for anything Giger-inspired.
Comicbookgirls taste in movies usually aligns with my own to a scarily close degree, but I have to say that I actually quite enjoyed the first AVP movie. It had its flaws, but I thought it had more awesome than bad. I think I would even go so far as to say I *enjoyed* AVP more than Prometheus.
Yeah, I never read those. I think comparatively few people did, to be honest. So I doubt that the movie makers took those into account, and I can hardly blame them for that. Even if I had read the comics, I still would have enjoyed the movie. After all, the movies came first. The comics were their own thing. just like how I've read many of the Star Wars novels that were written after the first movies, and I don't expect the new SW movies to follow those books exactly either. Yet if the new movies are done well, I'll still love them.
+blfry Thing is, the SW expanded universe is being ignored and stated outright.. the script of AVP was absolute garbage and gave literally zero charisma of what the franchises were. They had a home run in the original AVP comic storyline.. they actively had to try and fuck that up, and they did. Badly.
Ryann Von Doom I'll have to check that out if I get a chance. Maybe I'm misremembering, but did they do an Aliens vs Predators vs Terminators comic back in the 80's-90's?
Excellent review. I super appreciate the extra research done making this because you really improved my knowledge of this "not necessarily as bad as most people think" movie and I'd secretly wanted to love it more and now I can. Yay!
I really enjoyed the format of this episode. A more in depth view han usual, but never gets old thanks to great editing and good sectioning of the content. Great job
People need to stop making movies where people are dicks to robots, we are not going to be dicks to robots! Certainly not our generation, we have computers that talk, CG pop stars, actual robots (that move when you're not looking, seriously Furbies are scary), and we have Data. And we believe they feel And come on! Look at the way people treat their pets and the way they treat their cellphones; if we had androids that mimics emotions we would convince ourselves they have souls, even if they don't, because that's how humans are
#circusmort At sametime the Idea is that right now where we are in the human race is that we all have computers, gadgets and savvy technology that "we control". The Issue here is when it eventually reaches a point where technology evolves to the point we no longer control it anymore. Where it actually becomes self aware, like what Terminator movies explore, not saying it will literally lead to a war but well, that new movie Ex-Machina like that I mean. What Im saying is we only like all the tech we have now because we control it to basically serve and please us. How will we as human beings react, think and feel toward computers and robots that grow to the point of having their own conscious and choice. This above all, is why Promtheus especially shows human characters that act ignorant or like you say, horrible toward robots.
Raiken Xion It raises interesting questions, especially after I read about things like IBM's new 'neurosynaptic chips' which are modelled on the human brain and are waaaaay more powerful than conventional chips. No androids yet, but it's a possibility that might certainly be real in 2093.
Thank you so much for the work you've put into reviewing this movie. I think you've added so much more depth to it. I just got my four disk set in and I can't wait to check it out. I personally love some of the gaps and unknowns to this film. I personally think it adds to the realism of the Engineers. It's cool to think that their culture would be so different from ours that there's no way to even be able to explain it. The whole scene where they wake the Engineer and our two worlds collide like that. There was a huge sense of the two races trying to understand each other through this deceptively disgruntled android, and how I'm sure it reiterated to the Engineer why we had to be wiped out. It's all things we humans wouldn't understand.
I enjoyed watching this video and that other prometheus explained video. I agree with her that frustrating is the most fitting word to describe prometheus. Including the chariots of the gods element of it was a smart move by Ridley Scott, it makes the xenomorph backstory more interesting than the more straight forward backstory offered in Alien: Engineer. In fact I think prometheus might have been more enjoyable if they wrote it to be more chariots of the gods and less aliens tie-in. Maybe they could've saved the aliens tie-in for later in the trilogy as a surprise rather than expecting it to be an alien prequel from the word go. At any rate despite it's flaws Prometheus is still a good movie and it's greatest strength is how has got people talking about it for so long after it's release (not always for the right reasons tho). I hope that the producers take their time with the sequel and think very carefully with how they continue this franchise.
I'd like to thank you for your diligent research and insightful analysis of the film, and I dislike it less now. I still feel that most of the character's motivations and actions make little sense though. What is David trying to do? Is he trying to kill all humans? Is he trying to help Weyland? Why does he switch to helping Shaw? What is the significance of Theron's character being Weyland's daughter? Is the Engineer juggernaut just the result of an industrial accident? Why does everyone sign up for a decade long mission without knowing the goal beforehand? Also it makes no sense that genetic similarities between us and the Engineers prove that we were created by them, because every species on Earth has at least some DNA in common with every other. If they had shown the cave markings appearing on Mars, that at least would have explained why everyone is willing to risk their lives to go on this mission. In the movie, Shaw's and Holloway's belief that 'bigger body equals creator-god and dots equal starmap to their home-planet' is pure speculation, and the movie acts as if unfounded faith is somehow a valid substitute for logic or observation, even when dozens of lives are on the line. It makes sense historically that the script was a hodgepodge of different themes that ended up conflicting, but it pretty much ruins the movie for me. These are big themes in the film: faith, the meaning of life... and it just comes off as really pretentious, like a freshman philosophy major. Given that the little things often make so little sense, I didn't have any faith that the movie had anything meaningful to say about the big stuff. And it really didn't. There were interesting ideas, but they don't go anywhere. Which is really what happened to Lost, too. That show also felt like the creators were more interested in creating suspense than in meaningfully resolving it, and eventually this becomes so obvious in both Lost and Prometheus, that it breaks my suspension of disbelief. In both cases, it feels like a conman is playing a long con, and it's frustrating to watch, even in hindsight.
+Tim de Visser What an excellent analysis. This is exactly why I hate Prometheus so much. It ignores established science, which is a pretty big crime in a science-fiction movie. After all, the science is just as important as the fiction. But what bothers me the most, is that every single casualty in the movie could have been entirely avoided if any of the scientists in the movie behaved like actual scientists. I don't like stupid screenplays.
OH GOD youtube suggested me this video out of nowhere... AMAZING... searching for the original script right now. I think the only Alien original script I read was from Alien 3 and that artificial wood planet...
This movie is the perfect example of what happens when the producers make the decisions instead of the director. "Oh uuuuh, this scene is too long, can't we cut to the exciting past?" "You know, there' literally no one in this scene being killed let's cut it." "Setup characters? People arwn't watching for that, let's cut this scene."
Yes one or two little tiny nit picks but a very enjoyable movie fits right in with the series and I like how it resembles a lot of gigers original alien concept art😍 can't wait for a sequel
But too much sympathy for a really evil character like David i do like his character but cringed when shaw apologized for calling him just a robot like fuck David is a murderous dickhead just find out how to fly the ship and stomp stomp him!
joseph roszell you think she was apologising for calling him a robot? Looked more like it was because she was putting his head in a bag and zipping it up. David wasn't murderous. He didn't plan to kill Holloway, and he was carrying out Weyland's instructions to find out more about the black goo. Unlike humans, he's not free to disobey.
Wow, I think I stumbled upon a new reviewer that I built an absolute respect for in only a couple videos (I watched your Gravity review as well)! You explored this film into incredible depth, and I sense a wonderful passion for film in the sense of you loving film, kudos from me!
I am so glad you did the research and went through all the trouble to do this review. For the longest time, I knew this film was special, but didn't know why; it at least had me thinking...yet incomplete and a little confused. Now, I can show my friends this.
+Howyaduing I'd heard the director (maybe it was the writer?) was really influenced by it. Apparently the similarities were so strong Guillermo Del Toro cancelled a MoM project he was trying to get funding for.
Your disposition has changed so much over the years! It's cool to look back at these old videos compared to what you're making now and seeing how much you've grown.
Human beings are so result driven, that so many people merely can't accept that some things in Prometheus are truly a "mystery". It's much like magic tricks, many people fixate on how to solve the mystery of the trick, rather than appreciate it for what it is. I used this approach with Prometheus, the movie too left me thinking about it long after I had seen it, even after multiple viewings. I believe sequels will answer some of the questions that we have been left with, but regardless, Prometheus truly is a fascinating viewing.
also there was flaming garbage crashing down and making explosions all around them, nobody seems to acknowledge that part but surely it would play into a person's decision-making I mean this movie is full of holes but yeah I don't think that has to be considered one of them... really, a bigger, harder-to-swallow issue is the coincidence of the ship crashlanding so close to them in the first place, and then proceeding to roll exactly perfectly toward them with nearly perfect balance--regardless of which way they chose to flee, that took some powerful luck
This is the first time I've caught any of these shows and this was just amazing. Prometheus is a beautifully directed film that I WISH was so much better and you connected some of the dots for me. Thanks much.
Prometheus is a great movie, not every bloodly thing needs to be explained. Leave it to your imagination on what's going on.. figure it out but yes, they shouldn't of cut those scenes!
Not everyone knows how to figure things out... some of them use too much imagination by tacking endless amounts of whacky ideas onto the ends of the first whacky idea until they get something irrational but fitting with their preconceived notions. That's not only the behaviour of the main character, but a big chunk of the audience :)
Some of us can only take so many stupid behavioural quirks of supposed scientists in a sci-fi before we bury our heads in our hands and discuss the Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter trailer we saw before the movie and how we'd wished we were watching that instead.
Alien didn't need any explantion for me to enjoy it. Just admit it: Prometheus is a big turkey with a lot of plot holes and strange unnatural behaviour from the characters.
The point is that it isn't a great movie, but it could have been. It's not about needing to explain every infinitesimal detail, no one's saying that. It's just observing that the scores of changes made it less good than it should have been and full of nasty plot-holes (and it wasn't always like that).
Hangdeath, I do too. I didn't at first, but the more I watched it - the more I liked it. Some movies just need several viewings before they fill complete to the viewer. I do wish the deleted scenes weren't deleted as they project a complete story (rather than slow pacing).
Your base assessment at the beginning was 100% correct. I SO wanted to see this film. And I so regret seeing this film. There's no making excuses for this crap.
I love it! Side note; you're kinda hot. Ok, now that that's out of the way.. I had no huge issue with the questions raised by the movie Prometheus; it seems to me that Ridley Scott is interested in asking questions and letting the viewer come up with their own answers. I would submit 'Bladerunner', his sci-fi opus, for comparison. I'll bring up one point I liked for discussion.. What does it mean to be human? Blade runner asks this question, as to how it related to Replicants coming back to Earth (more human than human, etc) and in Prometheus, the question is turned on its head; suppose WE are the replicant's? Does that make the Engineers something like Blade Runners, trying to off us before we get back and damage the home world? Would it change our..innermost beliefs if our 'gods' were little more than bigger, meaner versions of ourselves? Adults, to our children? Ridley Scott seems to avoid answering directly, though the main character chooses to hold tight to her beliefs.
***** Funny, I find most of Dick's work to be full of great ideas with absolutely boring execution. Do Androids Dream was a chore to get through, but Blade Runner took the theme and ran with it in an entertaining way. Trust me, nobody wants to see Jesus appearing before Deckard on the stairs at the end. And The Shining, boring? Yeah, yeah now you're just trolling. Shining is a classic horror film for all the right reasons. It sounds like you need to learn to separate yourself from the source material a little more and learn to appreciate adaptations on their own terms.
Legit, the line about them being the first idiots to get lost and have too sleep in an alien temple is so great. It made me laugh really hard for some reason. I definitely agree with your points about the original script, however I still enjoyed Prometheus for what it was.
Comic Book Girl 19 has reassured me that I'm not sexist because I find her absolutely hilarious. I say that because I hated the trailer to Ghostbusters and I was worried that I might have had some latent misogyny in me. Turns out though I'm not a misogynist, Ghostbusters just looks like a genuinely shitty movie, and Comic Book Girl is a genuinely funny person.
+George Kyriakou Look up Tina Fey. You will turn full on feminist with how funny she is. "I don't really think its fair for me to be on a jury because I'm a hologram."-Tina Fey while wearing a princess Leia dress trying to get out of jury duty.
Anyone who has ever been in a terrifying situation will know that people don't act rationally when something scary suddenly springs on them. How on earth did you expect Dr Shaw and Miss Vickers to immediately figure out that they could avoid the object behind them by moving sideways - they were just facing forwards and fleeing not intellectually studying gyrations of the object behind them!
I just discovered your channel today and I've watched 3 videos in a row. I like your style and how deep you go in these reviews and analyses. Loving all the Next Generation references and clips as well: the world would be a better place if we'd all be a bit more like The Picard. Looking forward to lots more.
Well me being an atheist, there is no need for a soul. As long as people are intelligent, self aware, and can think: "I think therefore I am" than its all good. David was a real person.
René Moncayo Empathy is not something that needs to be only organic either. We have empathy even now for animals that are not off our own species even the not baby ones. So I would not see why a robot could not have that either.
+Nathan Wubs wow an atheist with commitment. it would be an honor to share ideas with you and learn about your beliefs as you also learn about mine if you wanna. i am a muslim med student
+NialasDubh I don't believe aliens had a hand in our creation, but I would say it is anti intellectual to talk like that about such a subject. How can anyone truly be sure of our origin? Until our scientific methods catch up with our philosophical musings you might as well guess. To claim its 100% is to claim you know the exact nature of our creation.
I want to appreciate you for the depth and energy invested in terms of understanding of plot, pacing, communication, back story, and everything that goes along with understanding creating web content in your area of interest. But I want to appreciate that in equal proportion to that snake dance, because that was super god damn cute and now I have to foster a stupid internet crush on you. goddamnit.
Why people dont understand or like prometheus, simply because it isnt dummy friendly, the movie dont over use the stupid factor, the stupid factor is the norm in movie and tv today, if you dont know what i am talking about, the stupid factor is when the writer make a character says or do something stupid jut so another character can explain what is already obvious. Most people being not very clever they need even the most obvious of thing to be explained to them. Imo that is very boring and annoying seeing the stupid factor being constantly overused in every tvshow and movie.
You mean that part when they took off their helmets? I mean what is the worst that could happen, right? Or when the guys that made the map got lost? Or when they touched uknown alien life forms, which didn't really fitt the describtion of friendly and cute? Or the many idiotic writing? Hey! I am depressed because I can't get children. Aww let us have some sex instead to cheer you up. We just found the evidence for alien life in the universe. The biggest discovery of our age. But who fuck cares. The fuck man. The movie was not really special, nor was it extremly deep, or hard to understand. Not that any of the ALien movies ever had a very deep plot, you know. That's not why we liked Alien, Aliens and even Alien 3. No metaphysics in space. Just great acting, good writing, and believable characters. That's what we expect.
The only subtle part of the plot was the fact that there were stowaways on the human expedition, masquerading as scientists. Because if the script had a real scientist described a scientific hypothesis as "I don't have any evidence for it, but it's what I choose to believe", that would just be horrid tripe. And that's obviously not the case, right? Right? Guys? Right?
lol believable, you say that and think the people in the movie arent believable because they arent flawless character, kinda stupid, yes i expect that a happy couple will have sex after getting some success, doing dumb thing when you are exited after discovering something.... not really unbelievable, and getting lost in an alien structure, yes i can believe given people are dumb enough to get lost in a wal mart which is basically just a giant square....in a way it is better than the mary sue ripley who kick every alien ass and use gun like a pro in aliens when all the other professional warriors get owned. Good writing lollllll that the funniest bullshit i have ever read, Alien become legendary mostly because of the creature itself and how well it was filmed but never the writing.... you people are so funny. You are following the bandwagon unable to any real critical thought of your own.
Brian Mcbrian They aren't having sex after 'getting some success'. They have sex after Shaw throws a tantrum about how she can't give live and bursting in to tears and her mate Holloway geting all shitty feelings because they didn't found their 'engineers'. Which I never understood anyway. Hey! We found evidence for INTELIGENT live in the Universe! But I am still depressed as shit over it ... The problem wasn't that they had sex. The problem was, that it's shitty writing that lead to it. They both should have been very euphoric, and throwing a big party. If they had sex after that? No problem. But when was the last time you had sex when you've been depressed? That's like masturabing right after you broke your hand ...
I'm very glad there are people out there who also care about the integrity and understanding of good science fiction. You're the only person I've seen debate the ins and outs of Prometheus this acutely. There are 5 things in this world that I love with all my heart. My wife and son. My dog. Bow hunting. Steven king. Good science fiction. I applaud you maFor this video and all your others you are truly one of a kind.
+Arioch IV I think her and the movie are covering the idea of "life seeding" rather than "Aliens built the pyramids". I could be wrong, but that's what I got out of it.
SCREW THE ORIGINAL SCRIPT! Prometheus should never have been linked to Alien- a troubled science fiction destroyed by too many cooks doing too much of the same, predictable crap they wanted this stupid prequel to be as well. You think you'd be doing a 45-minute discussion about some stupid Alien sequel? Then where are your observations on Aliens vs Predator- Requiem?! Prometheus is an amazing science fiction film, like the original Alien. What a coincidence! The great science fiction master came back to his creation and told audiences to forget everything since 1979's Alien. And why shouldn't he? As good as Aliens was... it was NOT Ridley's vision. I'm really quite disappointed in this documentary, even though I usually love CBG19. It's really quite weak. All it does is yell about the same, meaningless crap every other brain-damaged yokel is yelling about. The map, the engineer Jesus, the zombie, the goo snake. YAWN! How about a discussion of the creator/creation dynamic which challenges us to re-examine our meditations on the nature of God? How about it's ability to separate creator from God because creation does not imply benevolence. How about David's religious beliefs which are in the subtext of the movie EVERYWHERE... but never outright stated so no one talks about it? Or is this stuff too much of a chore to ponder? Let's just get another stupid chestburster grow up and wreck havok on another hapless crew of a-holes, like we've seen a million times. Yeah... that would have exactly met mediocre expectations and been well-received... then forgotten. Therefore better. Because that seems to be the conclusion of this piece.
+Jim Slav you just can't live with the fact that Prometheus is fucking terrible and will inevitably be forgotten when Alien: Covenant comes out and restores the alien franchise back to what it use to be
kelly wilson whitehead What it "used to be"? You mean where we last left it in Alien v Predator travesties? Why would you want that? Why would ANYONE want that? Prometheus is fucking AWESOME and is only hated by tweeners seeking jump scares. It sits comfortably with the very best scifi ever made and does what scifi is supposed to do. That is, ask important questions about society using technology metaphors. But it doesn't play to your expectations and bad critics never know what to do when confronted with a masterpiece because they have nothing to compare it to. To accept the quality of Prometheus, you're gonna have to agree to turn on your long-atrophied brain. I can't even figure out what you guys are so riled up about. If mindless action-horror is what you're after, there are, literally, hundreds (maybe thousands) of mindless franchises that have what you want in spades. Sink your teeth into Paranormal Activity, Saw, or fucking Final fucking Destination. Why must you also have my beloved Alien? I hate to break this to you, but Alien: Covenant is being made by Ridley Scott, and he doesn't make crap. You're just going to have to seek another franchise with which to exorcise your artless tweener demons.
+Jim Slav I wish I could upvote you more. People never learn. Everyone wants Alien-Mainstream-movies, but when they get them, like they did with Alien VS Predator movies, they dont like them anyway. Even the original Alien movie was heavily criticized, like every single Ridley Scott movie ever made. Nobody did like the hour long silence in the first movie, nobody liked Blade Runner when it came out and dont even start with his other movies. But somehow, years later, everyone suddenly turns around and start praising them. This happened over and over again nobody learns from it. They repeat it *EVERY.SINGLE.TIME* like the fucking retards they are.
Yatsura2 Your post is thanks enough, because I have to believe more people like you are out there. Kubrick dealt with this stuff. He was plagued with bad reviews until critics who blasted Dr. Strangelove were finally found out as the most talentless people on the planet and never lived it down. Then they gave Kubrick great reviews because they thought they had to. Because it was expected. That's why Barry Lyndon is such an odd duck, but also his most critically acclaimed piece. Then time passed, people forgot, and Eyes Wide Shut received mixed to poor reviews. Now more time had passed and it's recognized as one of the most influential and imitated work of the 90's. I came out of Eyes Wide Shut awestruck and had the same kind arguments I'm having with people now with Prometheus. You'd think the simple fact that everyone in the world can't stop talking about it would be evidence enough to its quality, but somehow, it isn't. But you're right. Time will tell. I hope Ridley doesn't let these criticisms screw up his planned story because that would be a travesty. Thanks for your post.
This was a great review....critical and complimentary all together just the way it should be . There's good and bad in this film and gives ya plenty to think about. I wish you would go back k to the way we're when you reviewed this movie.
I'm very glad I found your channel as you very entertaining and funny and have a deep love of all things Sci Fi/fantasy and take your time to research all aspects of the topics which you present in very amusing/interesting ways. Kudos to you and you have a new subscriber :)
I also think Prometheus is also about "The Watchers" or the so called " fallen angels" like" from the book of Enoch. It's so refreshing to see more creative artistic talent like your videos on you tube. Lol, then you say who's "watching the watchers"
I feel like we can look at this similar to mass effect, with the deleted scenes being similar to the extended cut in that circumstance. Whether you like or dislike it is ultimately unchanged, but still gives far faaaar greater context to the final product and makes it all so much better.
You're funny. You've done a great job with this video. i thought for sure i wasn't going to watch all 45 min, but you are such a good orator that i actually wanted to finish watching it.
I've watched dozens of TH-cam videos about Prometheus, but this is by far the best deconstruction of what the movie was trying to be and why it ended up the way it is. Like you I really wanted to love it, and have spent many hours thinking about it. But it is ultimately a very unsatisfying film which fell far short of its ambitions. They should have either made a "Chariot of the Gods" type of film or an Alien prequel, but trying to combine the two just created a mess. It's a movie about concepts rather than characters and that never makes for good storytelling.
My only objections were the use of a handful of threadbare tropes ('the redshirts wander off and get themselves killed in order to prove it's dangerous', 'running from a rolling [blank]'), and that Scott simply reheated the "can the creation confront, and defy the intentions of, its creator" themes he'd already been over in Blade Runner.
Also, comicbookgirl19, you've really tapped into SO MUCH about the movie that I feel could have been explained away if I'd had a group of friends to discuss this with after I watched it. So thank you for bringing me this info and being a surrogate group of friends where I can get these theories. Love it.
Huge thumbs up for a very thorough and insightful review. You've made a fan out of me. I just saw the movie and I was also left wondering, "Wth were they thinking?" The deleted scenes cleared up a lot. I still don't get the beginning scene where the Engineer drinks the alien goo if they were preparing to leave. I agree the Indiana Jones running scene was pretty comical. What I didn't see mentioned was the revelation that the (assumed) radiated tentacle monster mated with the Engineer and bred the first alien queen.
apparently you missed the three heavy doses of Pain Killers Dr Shaw took after the surgery (one injection before she met Weyland, One giant tablet after her speech with Weyland, and another one after Yanek walked into her room) And she still winced in pain a couple of times after that. Besides, you'd be amazed what human beings can do with enough adrenalin and fear of death pushing them....
When she talked about robots having a soul I instantly thought of Mass Effect. I can only imagine what she would say about that story if she were into games
David was terrifying... He was the prototype model android of Ash from Alien. He was developed because Ridley did keep a majority of the character archetypes from Alien.
It also brings up the topic to how much influence these 'great' directors really had on all these classic movies that fans love. Like George Lucas to Star Wars. Did Ridley Scott really have anything to do with the Alien movie or was it some unknown person on the film set that did all the actual work? Or was it luck?
Joseph Watched a doco on the making of Alien, and Dan O'Bannon, Robert Shusett, and later Walter Hill & David Giler, created so much of what we know as lore in Alien, as far as I can tell, other than doing an excellent job directing it, Ridley Scotts biggest contribution was to get the Budget doubled. Even Giger had a huge part to play, the evolution of this groundbreaking movie should be attributed to more than just the director
Scott is known for being very difficult to work with but also have a very good eye. He loves detail, he loves light being shined through fans and stuff like that. (why the hell were their fans at the beginning of Blade Runner? )As for script writing, I suspect he is not so much an expert.
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I have watched many of your videos.... and today I decided I wanted to ask you a question. What happened to the first 18 Comic Book Girl's ?
+Richard Blackmore The other 18 weren't willing to sleep with Robot to get the job.
Tate Hildyard Turn me into a robot and sign me up?
Get in line pal.
+Richard Blackmore This is when the Nostromo alarm starts.
CBG19 is the 19th iteration of CBG. Much like Neo in The Matrix, who is the 6th Neo in the 6th iteration of The Matrix, CBG is the 19th CBG in the 19th iteration of the universe. And much like The Matrix, which lasts from 1980-2019, the universe lasts from 1985 to 2024 and starts all over again, each time more perfect than before. I hope this profound truth has illuminated you.
That baby goat was terrifying. Imagine being in an ancient alien ruin and seeing something like that. That was some "Events Horizon" shit.
This is the best and most accurate explanation of Prometheus available on the net.
Congrats, ComicBookGirl19.
I think comicbookgirl19 is the only TH-camr that takes the effort of talking about the politics behind the movies she likes [or dislikes]. Thanks CBG19! I love your energy and spontaneity and freshness!
Best old man make up I've seen is Exorcist from 1973! The make up of the Priest was so good that the 40+ year old actor didn't land roles for a long time because every casting director thought he was a 75+ old.
Totally agree. I was shocked when I saw Max Von Sydow in Minority Report, which came out what, almost 30 years after the Exorcist? He looked exactly the same. Even when I watch the Exorcist now his makeup still amazes me.
This has nothing to do with anything, but god damn it I love her hair.
+Isaiah Gibson Its ugly as fuck.
+Drinko76 You're ugly as fuck
Isaiah Gibson You dont know what I look like sweetheart.
+Drinko76 Uhhh, dude, sure she does. You've got a blocky, light blue head with a
quadrifcated dark blue squarish center. Jeeze, make such a claim and
forget you've attached your photo in the avatar.
MrClean417 Ok I admit it, thats what I look like. But her hair is still ugly as fuck.
I'm only 8 mins in, but on the "old man" makeup they were intentionally aging Weyland well beyond the normal life span we're accustomed to. He is supposed to represent someone who has lived past his life expectancy (zombie-esk) and that is why the makeup was so over done. Don't get me wrong it bothered me at first, but once I understood this it was no longer an issue for me. 25 mins in now and I agree, I absolutely love the David/Broader Spectrum aspect of the original SP! Overall, I'm with you on this one, there is great elements in both scripts. Honestly the script just needed a bit more time/effort to flush them both out perfectly.
lol your engineer laptop cracked me up quite a bit TBO...the flute and buttons killed me
I'd argue that At the Mountains of Madness by H.P Lovecraft was the first ancient alien story.
Well The Bible is older than Lovecraft & if that doesn't cut it for ya then the Book Of Mormon definitely counts & that's older.
I'd say the Mahabharata and vedic text rival the bible. In as much as "alien" storytelling. It even has pictures of the flying craft, instructions how to fly them, descriptions of space based weapons that seemed to describe nuclear weaponry. ect. Wars of the "Gods"
The text you mention (" has pictures of the flying craft") is totally fake, not in a way pat of real vedas (that were also oral tradition for a huge amount of time until being written down). It can be googled in like in 30-40 seconds. Which really undermines your otherwise correct point PS not sure my English is accurate, but I'm from Ukraine
Drew DEI If you say so. The viyamana are still talked about.
Your English is perfect. No worries my friend.
First I found the old man's make up crappy too. But I think he isnt supposed to look just like an old man. He is about 100 years old and went through some future medical threatments that keep him alive. And that is why he looks so weird. Just like really old people got plastic surgery and face lifting look weird.
+Funnysterste agreed
This version of you was so adorable, your aura is very different now
that aura now being one suffused with confidence? is that bad? if you think so you might want to self reflect on that one, buddy, cause it definitely ain't cute.
lovableasshole I dont really care about how you think women should behave and portray themselves. I think this attitude and way of expressing herself is more adorable and I prefer it.
Triggered.
Posting to TH-cam, not getting paid for it, and especially reading TH-cam comments, has sucked out her life force and aged her by 10 years in the past 3.
She needs her own format on network Television
Thanks for doing the research and sharing it all. I've watched it a few times and feel the same way... I love Ridley Scott and wanted to love this one and kinda still do but it also frustrates me for all the reasons you covered and more. Still, there is so much to admire about it. I love the grand question of who created us and why... and how the rich old dude wanted to live longer and went to such lengths to achieve it... David was awesome even though he was evil at times. I still hate that Ridley got ripped off by the academy in 2000 for best director. He should have won for Gladiator which won best picture. I'd like to start a movement to get him a lifetime achievement award.
Even if Chariots of the Gods is re-issued, don't spend serious money on it. Loved it as a little kid, with all the wild speculation, but not when I learned about history and archaeology. There are no "mysteries" about how the pyramids were built, etc. You can probably pick up a copy at the library or a used book store.
“I think Damon Lindleof's best product is yet to come.”
Danika, I believe that day has come with ‘The Leftovers.’
This 2nd Season (so far) has been a MASTERPIECE and I hope there's an EPIC breakdown of the season. Tons of details to breakdown and analyze.
I cannot wait any longer for Prometheus 2 for fuck sakes!!
Why?
Prometheus was absolutely awful.
ShaunJW1 i want it too so soon....
Me neither 😄
+ShaunJW1 Imagine if David and Shaw never made it to the Engineer home world. What if the ship is adrift somewhere in space, with new horrors unleashed on the ship waiting for a salvage crew to come along...
GenoX1987 I am truly hoping that the sequel does involve the xenomoprh aliens hunting down both humans and engineers ;p, i just hope the story line is as intriguing as the first one as it was pretty intense.
The one thing a lot of reviewers of "Prometheus" have as yet to mention is Ridley Scott's intention to weave in a connection between the Alien/Prometheus world and that of the Blade Runner universe. There's a reason we had Ash, Bishop and David and that is they are descendants of Tyrell in "Blade Runner". So that's what and why I believe this film "seems" uneven. He's yet to connect those "dots" as it were. Now whether the groundswell of negativity toward "Prometheus" is changing that connection Scott had initially planned, I'm not sure. The thing that makes me a little disappointed is that a) Noomi Rapace is not going to be back as Shaw, and b) Scott has changed the name of the film to make it a definitive part of the Alien world with "Alien: Covenant". And that for me is very disturbing. I really wanted to see a direct sequel to "Prometheus" and not have it link directly to the "Alien" world as of yet. Also the thing that you didn't point out is that Ridley Scott still does not get final cut on his films. Unlike a Spielberg or a Soderburgh, he often times doesn't get final cut. And that is very disappointing.
Who said it had to be connected and why would they be connected?! Does evrything have to be connected these days? Conect the universes, sure why not, BUT why do we need to connect the characters? You're going to write you're self into a corner like with Star wars constantly following the Skywalkers and there constantly being an empire to fight. The same goes with the Terminator as when you tell the best story you can tell with 2 characters most important in stoping human ennialation there's nothing as intresting as that to tell no more, or the Predator franchise, you're limited by what makes you're characters and franchises stand out a predator, a jungle solid characters for it to kill all else would feal "alien". Well the studio twisted Ridley's arm to change the ending of the original also, as he wanted an ending in wich the xeno would pop back in grab Ripley and pull her out into space. So no wonder they're not so sure about he's decisions, and again we're talking about Fox, they're known to mess up a film them selfs.
30:28 Do Androids dream Of Electric Sheep....thats the book Blade Runner was based on, and also one of Ridley Scott's masterpieces...so i find David an excellent nod to that... idk if it's an easter egg but it's interesting i think :)
Thank you for consolidating all of your Prometheus segments. It is one of those movies which I love the concept of more than the actual finished product. I'm also a sucker for anything Giger-inspired.
Woah, that was Guy Pearce? I totally thought it was Johnny Knoxville...
rolf
37:00 If Shaw landed on the Space Jockey home world and demanded why they wanted to kill humans they probably would kill her.
umm thats probability
Comicbookgirls taste in movies usually aligns with my own to a scarily close degree, but I have to say that I actually quite enjoyed the first AVP movie. It had its flaws, but I thought it had more awesome than bad.
I think I would even go so far as to say I *enjoyed* AVP more than Prometheus.
+blfry If you read the AVP comics, you wouldnt have enjoyed it.. was a giant "Fuck you" to the fans of both franchises and the AVP franchise.
Yeah, I never read those. I think comparatively few people did, to be honest. So I doubt that the movie makers took those into account, and I can hardly blame them for that.
Even if I had read the comics, I still would have enjoyed the movie. After all, the movies came first. The comics were their own thing.
just like how I've read many of the Star Wars novels that were written after the first movies, and I don't expect the new SW movies to follow those books exactly either. Yet if the new movies are done well, I'll still love them.
+blfry Thing is, the SW expanded universe is being ignored and stated outright.. the script of AVP was absolute garbage and gave literally zero charisma of what the franchises were. They had a home run in the original AVP comic storyline.. they actively had to try and fuck that up, and they did. Badly.
Ryann Von Doom I'll have to check that out if I get a chance.
Maybe I'm misremembering, but did they do an Aliens vs Predators vs Terminators comic back in the 80's-90's?
+Ryann Von Doom I'm sorry to hear they upfucked the comic but I too think AVP was good-ish. Better than Prometheus by several parsecs.
Thanks CB19 I just finished Prometheus and this video was my one stop shop for an comprehensive all things Prometheus.
really cool coming back and watching this video years after the release. cbg19 for prez.
Excellent review. I super appreciate the extra research done making this because you really improved my knowledge of this "not necessarily as bad as most people think" movie and I'd secretly wanted to love it more and now I can. Yay!
I always up-vote her reviews. Not a 'fanboy' and don't always agree - but because she knows how movies should work.
+K Russell Bro, you just do it because she is hot, quit bullshittin LOL.
Boston Towny4life No. Pretty much my original comment actually.
Inquisitive Lady ...But I also think she gets film/Scriptwriting - narrative - plot etc. She's studied. Tits/fanny/hair aside.
Dennis Magee Don't know. She's has had a few decent asides which seem 'off-script' and totally legit. If you know different pray tell.
I really enjoyed the format of this episode. A more in depth view han usual, but never gets old thanks to great editing and good sectioning of the content. Great job
People need to stop making movies where people are dicks to robots, we are not going to be dicks to robots! Certainly not our generation, we have computers that talk, CG pop stars, actual robots (that move when you're not looking, seriously Furbies are scary), and we have Data. And we believe they feel
And come on! Look at the way people treat their pets and the way they treat their cellphones; if we had androids that mimics emotions we would convince ourselves they have souls, even if they don't, because that's how humans are
That's a good point. Most of us treat our pets well, so why would we be cruel and degrading to something even more like us?
agreed. Androids get way too much hate in sci-fi. Androids need some love
***** That's a good point, but I still think our generation is conditioned to like robots
#circusmort At sametime the Idea is that right now where we are in the human race is that we all have computers, gadgets and savvy technology that "we control". The Issue here is when it eventually reaches a point where technology evolves to the point we no longer control it anymore. Where it actually becomes self aware, like what Terminator movies explore, not saying it will literally lead to a war but well, that new movie Ex-Machina like that I mean.
What Im saying is we only like all the tech we have now because we control it to basically serve and please us. How will we as human beings react, think and feel toward computers and robots that grow to the point of having their own conscious and choice. This above all, is why Promtheus especially shows human characters that act ignorant or like you say, horrible toward robots.
Raiken Xion
It raises interesting questions, especially after I read about things like IBM's new 'neurosynaptic chips' which are modelled on the human brain and are waaaaay more powerful than conventional chips. No androids yet, but it's a possibility that might certainly be real in 2093.
Thank you so much for the work you've put into reviewing this movie. I think you've added so much more depth to it. I just got my four disk set in and I can't wait to check it out.
I personally love some of the gaps and unknowns to this film. I personally think it adds to the realism of the Engineers. It's cool to think that their culture would be so different from ours that there's no way to even be able to explain it. The whole scene where they wake the Engineer and our two worlds collide like that. There was a huge sense of the two races trying to understand each other through this deceptively disgruntled android, and how I'm sure it reiterated to the Engineer why we had to be wiped out. It's all things we humans wouldn't understand.
I enjoyed watching this video and that other prometheus explained video. I agree with her that frustrating is the most fitting word to describe prometheus. Including the chariots of the gods element of it was a smart move by Ridley Scott, it makes the xenomorph backstory more interesting than the more straight forward backstory offered in Alien: Engineer. In fact I think prometheus might have been more enjoyable if they wrote it to be more chariots of the gods and less aliens tie-in. Maybe they could've saved the aliens tie-in for later in the trilogy as a surprise rather than expecting it to be an alien prequel from the word go.
At any rate despite it's flaws Prometheus is still a good movie and it's greatest strength is how has got people talking about it for so long after it's release (not always for the right reasons tho). I hope that the producers take their time with the sequel and think very carefully with how they continue this franchise.
Prometheus is one of my favorite movies. Thank you for this amazing review!
I'd like to thank you for your diligent research and insightful analysis of the film, and I dislike it less now. I still feel that most of the character's motivations and actions make little sense though. What is David trying to do? Is he trying to kill all humans? Is he trying to help Weyland? Why does he switch to helping Shaw? What is the significance of Theron's character being Weyland's daughter? Is the Engineer juggernaut just the result of an industrial accident? Why does everyone sign up for a decade long mission without knowing the goal beforehand?
Also it makes no sense that genetic similarities between us and the Engineers prove that we were created by them, because every species on Earth has at least some DNA in common with every other. If they had shown the cave markings appearing on Mars, that at least would have explained why everyone is willing to risk their lives to go on this mission. In the movie, Shaw's and Holloway's belief that 'bigger body equals creator-god and dots equal starmap to their home-planet' is pure speculation, and the movie acts as if unfounded faith is somehow a valid substitute for logic or observation, even when dozens of lives are on the line.
It makes sense historically that the script was a hodgepodge of different themes that ended up conflicting, but it pretty much ruins the movie for me. These are big themes in the film: faith, the meaning of life... and it just comes off as really pretentious, like a freshman philosophy major. Given that the little things often make so little sense, I didn't have any faith that the movie had anything meaningful to say about the big stuff. And it really didn't. There were interesting ideas, but they don't go anywhere. Which is really what happened to Lost, too. That show also felt like the creators were more interested in creating suspense than in meaningfully resolving it, and eventually this becomes so obvious in both Lost and Prometheus, that it breaks my suspension of disbelief. In both cases, it feels like a conman is playing a long con, and it's frustrating to watch, even in hindsight.
+Tim de Visser What an excellent analysis. This is exactly why I hate Prometheus so much. It ignores established science, which is a pretty big crime in a science-fiction movie. After all, the science is just as important as the fiction. But what bothers me the most, is that every single casualty in the movie could have been entirely avoided if any of the scientists in the movie behaved like actual scientists. I don't like stupid screenplays.
Still rewatching in 2023❤
OH GOD youtube suggested me this video out of nowhere... AMAZING... searching for the original script right now. I think the only Alien original script I read was from Alien 3 and that artificial wood planet...
great job guys - gonna go watch me some outtakes now!
LET'S REMOVE OUR HELMETS BECAUSE YOLO!
Robert Hansson lol
They totally made Passengers and it was awesome, love coming back to these videos to see the progression of all the topics and content delivered
This movie is the perfect example of what happens when the producers make the decisions instead of the director.
"Oh uuuuh, this scene is too long, can't we cut to the exciting past?"
"You know, there' literally no one in this scene being killed let's cut it."
"Setup characters? People arwn't watching for that, let's cut this scene."
The Halloween costume bit had me in stitches!!!! This is my new favourite channel
fucking love prometheus, its a movie you have to have a creative, and curious mind to really get into, or just really like weird scifi shit.
carlos y me too...
Yes one or two little tiny nit picks but a very enjoyable movie fits right in with the series and I like how it resembles a lot of gigers original alien concept art😍 can't wait for a sequel
But too much sympathy for a really evil character like David i do like his character but cringed when shaw apologized for calling him just a robot like fuck David is a murderous dickhead just find out how to fly the ship and stomp stomp him!
joseph roszell you think she was apologising for calling him a robot? Looked more like it was because she was putting his head in a bag and zipping it up. David wasn't murderous. He didn't plan to kill Holloway, and he was carrying out Weyland's instructions to find out more about the black goo. Unlike humans, he's not free to disobey.
joseph roszell David is not evil, just amoral and under the command of Weyland. Besides, it was never made clear that Shaw knew just what David did.
Wow, I think I stumbled upon a new reviewer that I built an absolute respect for in only a couple videos (I watched your Gravity review as well)! You explored this film into incredible depth, and I sense a wonderful passion for film in the sense of you loving film, kudos from me!
Thanks for the review, I liked this movie a bit more now.
bro you are to late,you fucking troll.GTFO!!!!!
The Question ?
Yeah GTFO!!!!
The Question This is confusing, but okay.
+hunterkiller1440 The Question = A troll
I am so glad you did the research and went through all the trouble to do this review. For the longest time, I knew this film was special, but didn't know why; it at least had me thinking...yet incomplete and a little confused. Now, I can show my friends this.
How the fuck can you talk about Prometheus for 45 minutes and not bring up At the Mountains of Madness?
+GatorMacheteJr She mentioned in the other video.
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Now you mention it it does sound a lot like at the mountains of madness
+Howyaduing I'd heard the director (maybe it was the writer?) was really influenced by it. Apparently the similarities were so strong Guillermo Del Toro cancelled a MoM project he was trying to get funding for.
Your disposition has changed so much over the years! It's cool to look back at these old videos compared to what you're making now and seeing how much you've grown.
Human beings are so result driven, that so many people merely can't accept that some things in Prometheus are truly a "mystery". It's much like magic tricks, many people fixate on how to solve the mystery of the trick, rather than appreciate it for what it is. I used this approach with Prometheus, the movie too left me thinking about it long after I had seen it, even after multiple viewings. I believe sequels will answer some of the questions that we have been left with, but regardless, Prometheus truly is a fascinating viewing.
And you had no problem with the incredibly dumb characters and the totally implausible plot?
That was both thorough and fascinating. Great work!
They panicked and weren't thinking strait that's why they ran straight
also there was flaming garbage crashing down and making explosions all around them, nobody seems to acknowledge that part but surely it would play into a person's decision-making
I mean this movie is full of holes but yeah I don't think that has to be considered one of them... really, a bigger, harder-to-swallow issue is the coincidence of the ship crashlanding so close to them in the first place, and then proceeding to roll exactly perfectly toward them with nearly perfect balance--regardless of which way they chose to flee, that took some powerful luck
This is the first time I've caught any of these shows and this was just amazing. Prometheus is a beautifully directed film that I WISH was so much better and you connected some of the dots for me. Thanks much.
you sounded quite different in 2013..
All that drinking (and probably smoking)
I died at 17:05! The sock thing was hilarious and the Ripley impression was awesome!
Prometheus is a great movie, not every bloodly thing needs to be explained. Leave it to your imagination on what's going on.. figure it out
but yes, they shouldn't of cut those scenes!
Not everyone knows how to figure things out... some of them use too much imagination by tacking endless amounts of whacky ideas onto the ends of the first whacky idea until they get something irrational but fitting with their preconceived notions. That's not only the behaviour of the main character, but a big chunk of the audience :)
Some of us can only take so many stupid behavioural quirks of supposed scientists in a sci-fi before we bury our heads in our hands and discuss the Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter trailer we saw before the movie and how we'd wished we were watching that instead.
Alien didn't need any explantion for me to enjoy it. Just admit it: Prometheus is a big turkey with a lot of plot holes and strange unnatural behaviour from the characters.
The point is that it isn't a great movie, but it could have been. It's not about needing to explain every infinitesimal detail, no one's saying that. It's just observing that the scores of changes made it less good than it should have been and full of nasty plot-holes (and it wasn't always like that).
Hangdeath, I do too. I didn't at first, but the more I watched it - the more I liked it. Some movies just need several viewings before they fill complete to the viewer. I do wish the deleted scenes weren't deleted as they project a complete story (rather than slow pacing).
Your base assessment at the beginning was 100% correct.
I SO wanted to see this film.
And I so regret seeing this film.
There's no making excuses for this crap.
I love it! Side note; you're kinda hot. Ok, now that that's out of the way..
I had no huge issue with the questions raised by the movie Prometheus;
it seems to me that Ridley Scott is interested in asking questions and letting
the viewer come up with their own answers. I would submit 'Bladerunner', his
sci-fi opus, for comparison. I'll bring up one point I liked for discussion..
What does it mean to be human? Blade runner asks this question, as to how it related to Replicants coming back to Earth (more human than human, etc) and in Prometheus, the question is turned on its head; suppose WE are the replicant's? Does that make the Engineers something like Blade Runners, trying to off us before we get back and damage the home world? Would it change our..innermost beliefs if our 'gods' were little more than bigger, meaner versions of ourselves? Adults, to our children? Ridley Scott seems to avoid answering directly, though the main character chooses to hold tight to her beliefs.
So... does this explain why Prometheus was terrible?
watch it and find out.
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well that's like, your opinion, man
***** Funny, I find most of Dick's work to be full of great ideas with absolutely boring execution. Do Androids Dream was a chore to get through, but Blade Runner took the theme and ran with it in an entertaining way. Trust me, nobody wants to see Jesus appearing before Deckard on the stairs at the end.
And The Shining, boring? Yeah, yeah now you're just trolling. Shining is a classic horror film for all the right reasons. It sounds like you need to learn to separate yourself from the source material a little more and learn to appreciate adaptations on their own terms.
Legit, the line about them being the first idiots to get lost and have too sleep in an alien temple is so great. It made me laugh really hard for some reason. I definitely agree with your points about the original script, however I still enjoyed Prometheus for what it was.
Comic Book Girl 19 has reassured me that I'm not sexist because I find her absolutely hilarious. I say that because I hated the trailer to Ghostbusters and I was worried that I might have had some latent misogyny in me. Turns out though I'm not a misogynist, Ghostbusters just looks like a genuinely shitty movie, and Comic Book Girl is a genuinely funny person.
+George Kyriakou Look up Tina Fey. You will turn full on feminist with how funny she is. "I don't really think its fair for me to be on a jury because I'm a hologram."-Tina Fey while wearing a princess Leia dress trying to get out of jury duty.
Anyone who has ever been in a terrifying situation will know that people don't act rationally when something scary suddenly springs on them. How on earth did you expect Dr Shaw and Miss Vickers to immediately figure out that they could avoid the object behind them by moving sideways - they were just facing forwards and fleeing not intellectually studying gyrations of the object behind them!
oh hey! a video by comicbookgirl19 that is Allowed to be commented on, do you get alot of hate comments or something?
I just discovered your channel today and I've watched 3 videos in a row. I like your style and how deep you go in these reviews and analyses. Loving all the Next Generation references and clips as well: the world would be a better place if we'd all be a bit more like The Picard. Looking forward to lots more.
"Prometheus" is lame as hell, but you`re awesome *kiss*
CBG - this is absolutely the best review on Prometheus on the entire internet. You are amazing, beautiful, smart, and very entertaining!
Well me being an atheist, there is no need for a soul. As long as people are intelligent, self aware, and can think: "I think therefore I am" than its all good. David was a real person.
Except a curious inorganic sense of empathy
René Moncayo Empathy is not something that needs to be only organic either. We have empathy even now for animals that are not off our own species even the not baby ones. So I would not see why a robot could not have that either.
+Nathan Wubs wow an atheist with commitment. it would be an honor to share ideas with you and learn about your beliefs as you also learn about mine if you wanna. i am a muslim med student
Best review I've ever seen. And learned a lot more about the movie than I thought I would. Thumbs up.
It's so disappointing to see her (or any adult) taking Erich von Daniken seriously. It is 100% drivel.
+NialasDubh I don't believe aliens had a hand in our creation, but I would say it is anti intellectual to talk like that about such a subject. How can anyone truly be sure of our origin? Until our scientific methods catch up with our philosophical musings you might as well guess. To claim its 100% is to claim you know the exact nature of our creation.
+Stacks wallace ikr...humans don't really know shit.
17:08 That sock puppet alien is so brilliant, genius cosplay and hilarious.
She's hot.
There's a fan edit somewhere online with all those deleted scenes added (even the mutant Fifield) and you're right, it does make for a better film.
You're so cute while dancing with that chestburster.
I want to appreciate you for the depth and energy invested in terms of understanding of plot, pacing, communication, back story, and everything that goes along with understanding creating web content in your area of interest. But I want to appreciate that in equal proportion to that snake dance, because that was super god damn cute and now I have to foster a stupid internet crush on you. goddamnit.
That explains why I hate Prometheus so much, the guy who ruined Lost ruined it too. Someone should put a hit on this guy >:(
these Docu-reviews are pretty damn great. Watched through this and catching fire, so damn interesting.
Excellent review but the editing is so weird on this video!
it was one of her very first haha
Define weird. Do you know other words that actually depict what you mean?
OK, you're officially one of the most charming channel hosts I've seen on TH-cam! Awesome presentation :)
Why people dont understand or like prometheus, simply because it isnt dummy friendly, the movie dont over use the stupid factor, the stupid factor is the norm in movie and tv today, if you dont know what i am talking about, the stupid factor is when the writer make a character says or do something stupid jut so another character can explain what is already obvious. Most people being not very clever they need even the most obvious of thing to be explained to them. Imo that is very boring and annoying seeing the stupid factor being constantly overused in every tvshow and movie.
You mean that part when they took off their helmets? I mean what is the worst that could happen, right? Or when the guys that made the map got lost? Or when they touched uknown alien life forms, which didn't really fitt the describtion of friendly and cute? Or the many idiotic writing? Hey! I am depressed because I can't get children. Aww let us have some sex instead to cheer you up. We just found the evidence for alien life in the universe. The biggest discovery of our age. But who fuck cares.
The fuck man. The movie was not really special, nor was it extremly deep, or hard to understand. Not that any of the ALien movies ever had a very deep plot, you know. That's not why we liked Alien, Aliens and even Alien 3. No metaphysics in space. Just great acting, good writing, and believable characters. That's what we expect.
The only subtle part of the plot was the fact that there were stowaways on the human expedition, masquerading as scientists.
Because if the script had a real scientist described a scientific hypothesis as "I don't have any evidence for it, but it's what I choose to believe", that would just be horrid tripe. And that's obviously not the case, right?
Right?
Guys? Right?
Those people were supposed to represent scientist? :p
lol believable, you say that and think the people in the movie arent believable because they arent flawless character, kinda stupid, yes i expect that a happy couple will have sex after getting some success, doing dumb thing when you are exited after discovering something.... not really unbelievable, and getting lost in an alien structure, yes i can believe given people are dumb enough to get lost in a wal mart which is basically just a giant square....in a way it is better than the mary sue ripley who kick every alien ass and use gun like a pro in aliens when all the other professional warriors get owned. Good writing lollllll that the funniest bullshit i have ever read, Alien become legendary mostly because of the creature itself and how well it was filmed but never the writing.... you people are so funny. You are following the bandwagon unable to any real critical thought of your own.
Brian Mcbrian
They aren't having sex after 'getting some success'. They have sex after Shaw throws a tantrum about how she can't give live and bursting in to tears and her mate Holloway geting all shitty feelings because they didn't found their 'engineers'. Which I never understood anyway. Hey! We found evidence for INTELIGENT live in the Universe! But I am still depressed as shit over it ... The problem wasn't that they had sex. The problem was, that it's shitty writing that lead to it. They both should have been very euphoric, and throwing a big party. If they had sex after that? No problem. But when was the last time you had sex when you've been depressed? That's like masturabing right after you broke your hand ...
I'm very glad there are people out there who also care about the integrity and understanding of good science fiction. You're the only person I've seen debate the ins and outs of Prometheus this acutely.
There are 5 things in this world that I love with all my heart.
My wife and son.
My dog.
Bow hunting.
Steven king.
Good science fiction.
I applaud you maFor this video and all your others you are truly one of a kind.
Cool presentation... but I hope you aren't taking that ancient astronauts garbage seriously. It's been very thoroughly debunked.
+Arioch IV I think her and the movie are covering the idea of "life seeding" rather than "Aliens built the pyramids".
I could be wrong, but that's what I got out of it.
+Arioch IV so has Noah's ark...yet here you are? It's like...maaaaagiiiiiic....
+Arioch IV What makes you think she believes in it?
+Arioch IV debunked..when ? where ? how...who told you ? who will you believe....was it the mainstream media ?...was it the BBC ?
+Arioch IV btw...is your name from the moorcock books ?
You made me fall in love with Prometheus again. Now I must buy the BD and check the deleted scenes.
SCREW THE ORIGINAL SCRIPT!
Prometheus should never have been linked to Alien- a troubled science fiction destroyed by too many cooks doing too much of the same, predictable crap they wanted this stupid prequel to be as well. You think you'd be doing a 45-minute discussion about some stupid Alien sequel? Then where are your observations on Aliens vs Predator- Requiem?!
Prometheus is an amazing science fiction film, like the original Alien. What a coincidence! The great science fiction master came back to his creation and told audiences to forget everything since 1979's Alien. And why shouldn't he? As good as Aliens was... it was NOT Ridley's vision.
I'm really quite disappointed in this documentary, even though I usually love CBG19. It's really quite weak. All it does is yell about the same, meaningless crap every other brain-damaged yokel is yelling about. The map, the engineer Jesus, the zombie, the goo snake. YAWN!
How about a discussion of the creator/creation dynamic which challenges us to re-examine our meditations on the nature of God? How about it's ability to separate creator from God because creation does not imply benevolence. How about David's religious beliefs which are in the subtext of the movie EVERYWHERE... but never outright stated so no one talks about it? Or is this stuff too much of a chore to ponder?
Let's just get another stupid chestburster grow up and wreck havok on another hapless crew of a-holes, like we've seen a million times. Yeah... that would have exactly met mediocre expectations and been well-received... then forgotten. Therefore better. Because that seems to be the conclusion of this piece.
P.S.: eww, eww, eww, eww, EWW! I fucking hate people.
+Jim Slav you just can't live with the fact that Prometheus is fucking terrible and will inevitably be forgotten when Alien: Covenant comes out and restores the alien franchise back to what it use to be
kelly wilson whitehead What it "used to be"? You mean where we last left it in Alien v Predator travesties? Why would you want that? Why would ANYONE want that?
Prometheus is fucking AWESOME and is only hated by tweeners seeking jump scares. It sits comfortably with the very best scifi ever made and does what scifi is supposed to do. That is, ask important questions about society using technology metaphors. But it doesn't play to your expectations and bad critics never know what to do when confronted with a masterpiece because they have nothing to compare it to.
To accept the quality of Prometheus, you're gonna have to agree to turn on your long-atrophied brain. I can't even figure out what you guys are so riled up about. If mindless action-horror is what you're after, there are, literally, hundreds (maybe thousands) of mindless franchises that have what you want in spades. Sink your teeth into Paranormal Activity, Saw, or fucking Final fucking Destination. Why must you also have my beloved Alien?
I hate to break this to you, but Alien: Covenant is being made by Ridley Scott, and he doesn't make crap. You're just going to have to seek another franchise with which to exorcise your artless tweener demons.
+Jim Slav
I wish I could upvote you more. People never learn. Everyone wants Alien-Mainstream-movies, but when they get them, like they did with Alien VS Predator movies, they dont like them anyway.
Even the original Alien movie was heavily criticized, like every single Ridley Scott movie ever made. Nobody did like the hour long silence in the first movie, nobody liked Blade Runner when it came out and dont even start with his other movies. But somehow, years later, everyone suddenly turns around and start praising them. This happened over and over again nobody learns from it. They repeat it *EVERY.SINGLE.TIME* like the fucking retards they are.
Yatsura2 Your post is thanks enough, because I have to believe more people like you are out there.
Kubrick dealt with this stuff. He was plagued with bad reviews until critics who blasted Dr. Strangelove were finally found out as the most talentless people on the planet and never lived it down. Then they gave Kubrick great reviews because they thought they had to. Because it was expected. That's why Barry Lyndon is such an odd duck, but also his most critically acclaimed piece.
Then time passed, people forgot, and Eyes Wide Shut received mixed to poor reviews. Now more time had passed and it's recognized as one of the most influential and imitated work of the 90's. I came out of Eyes Wide Shut awestruck and had the same kind arguments I'm having with people now with Prometheus. You'd think the simple fact that everyone in the world can't stop talking about it would be evidence enough to its quality, but somehow, it isn't.
But you're right. Time will tell. I hope Ridley doesn't let these criticisms screw up his planned story because that would be a travesty. Thanks for your post.
"Could a robot have a soul?"
That was the question asked by BLADE RUNNER.
Also directed by Ridley Scott.
theres no such thing as a soul, silly.
Great video a lot of work went into this...... Your knowledge of a movie I had seen a couple of times made me want to go back and reexamine it
This was a great review....critical and complimentary all together just the way it should be . There's good and bad in this film and gives ya plenty to think about. I wish you would go back k to the way we're when you reviewed this movie.
I'm very glad I found your channel as you very entertaining and funny and have a deep love of all things Sci Fi/fantasy and take your time to research all aspects of the topics which you present in very amusing/interesting ways. Kudos to you and you have a new subscriber :)
I also think Prometheus is also about "The Watchers" or the so called " fallen angels" like" from the book of Enoch. It's so refreshing to see more creative artistic talent like your videos on you tube. Lol, then you say who's "watching the watchers"
I feel like we can look at this similar to mass effect, with the deleted scenes being similar to the extended cut in that circumstance. Whether you like or dislike it is ultimately unchanged, but still gives far faaaar greater context to the final product and makes it all so much better.
This is the best explanation I've found of this movie. You go CBG19!
You're funny. You've done a great job with this video. i thought for sure i wasn't going to watch all 45 min, but you are such a good orator that i actually wanted to finish watching it.
I've watched dozens of TH-cam videos about Prometheus, but this is by far the best deconstruction of what the movie was trying to be and why it ended up the way it is. Like you I really wanted to love it, and have spent many hours thinking about it. But it is ultimately a very unsatisfying film which fell far short of its ambitions. They should have either made a "Chariot of the Gods" type of film or an Alien prequel, but trying to combine the two just created a mess. It's a movie about concepts rather than characters and that never makes for good storytelling.
My only objections were the use of a handful of threadbare tropes ('the redshirts wander off and get themselves killed in order to prove it's dangerous', 'running from a rolling [blank]'), and that Scott simply reheated the "can the creation confront, and defy the intentions of, its creator" themes he'd already been over in Blade Runner.
+Comic Book Girl 19. Have you ever thought of turning you and the robot into an actual comic book with the trolls as a villian.
Also, comicbookgirl19, you've really tapped into SO MUCH about the movie that I feel could have been explained away if I'd had a group of friends to discuss this with after I watched it. So thank you for bringing me this info and being a surrogate group of friends where I can get these theories. Love it.
Fantastic REVIEW/Documentary
Huge thumbs up for a very thorough and insightful review. You've made a fan out of me. I just saw the movie and I was also left wondering, "Wth were they thinking?" The deleted scenes cleared up a lot. I still don't get the beginning scene where the Engineer drinks the alien goo if they were preparing to leave. I agree the Indiana Jones running scene was pretty comical. What I didn't see mentioned was the revelation that the (assumed) radiated tentacle monster mated with the Engineer and bred the first alien queen.
apparently you missed the three heavy doses of Pain Killers Dr Shaw took after the surgery (one injection before she met Weyland, One giant tablet after her speech with Weyland, and another one after Yanek walked into her room) And she still winced in pain a couple of times after that. Besides, you'd be amazed what human beings can do with enough adrenalin and fear of death pushing them....
I really like this review! She has really good production quality for being a youtube video!
Also 80's SFX and practical effects win any day over crummy 90's and beyond CGI.
um what about jurassic park?
When she talked about robots having a soul I instantly thought of Mass Effect. I can only imagine what she would say about that story if she were into games
You're wonderful. I could listen to you for hours.
David was terrifying... He was the prototype model android of Ash from Alien. He was developed because Ridley did keep a majority of the character archetypes from Alien.
Fantastic video. It's because of wonderful people like you why I've given up watching television.
The fact is Ridley Scott wasn't interested in an Alien prequel, he just wanted to make a movie about ancient astronauts.
It also brings up the topic to how much influence these 'great' directors really had on all these classic movies that fans love. Like George Lucas to Star Wars. Did Ridley Scott really have anything to do with the Alien movie or was it some unknown person on the film set that did all the actual work? Or was it luck?
Joseph Watched a doco on the making of Alien, and Dan O'Bannon, Robert Shusett, and later Walter Hill & David Giler, created so much of what we know as lore in Alien, as far as I can tell, other than doing an excellent job directing it, Ridley Scotts biggest contribution was to get the Budget doubled. Even Giger had a huge part to play, the evolution of this groundbreaking movie should be attributed to more than just the director
Scott is known for being very difficult to work with but also have a very good eye. He loves detail, he loves light being shined through fans and stuff like that. (why the hell were their fans at the beginning of Blade Runner? )As for script writing, I suspect he is not so much an expert.
drunken editor
better comment thread on prometheus I've ever read!
Randy Parsons
sure he's a great director but he does copypaste the original he's not a sci fi fan at all