DoubleO88 Indeed, the scene where Vision locks Ultron out of the net was pretty hard to miss. I actually think that te movie didn't have many storytelling/script flaws... almost everything that is brought up is also explained... except the few references that one needs to watch Agents of Shield for to fully grasp.
DoubleO88 Still does not explain why ultron did not have copies of himself in the internet or in robots outside of that town they were fighting in. Should have been pretty easy for him to hide himself somewhere on some server or whatever. Also it is likely that he actually did that, so they can bring him back for another movie or series in the future...
Sune Bjerregaard Possible, then again, Vision as he is presented in the movie is pretty much a carbon copy of Ultron minus the sociopathy, so one could argue that everything Ultron could think of as far as contingency plans go, Vision could predict and counter.
When Vision grabs Ultron in the church by the head you see animation of the little cubes changing from blue to yellow. That was Vision erasing and blocking Ultron from the internet. He could only then switch his consciousness from body to body.
comicbookgirl19 To help understand the humanizing of Ultron, there was a line in the movie about Stark's arrogance/personality that was embedded into the AI of Ultron. Hence the snarky one-liners. I don't know if that fills in any blanks, but it was enough to suspend my disbelief. I do feel that in this sense they should have been a bit more heavy-handed in the portrayal of Ultron's AI to drive the concept home, but hey we're always bitching about being spoon fed narrative... Persian rugs and the paradox of perfection I guess in the grand scheme.
Anthony Alexander I agree, I loved Ultron because he was basically an evil tony stark. He wanted to be human, that was his flaw. He know humans sucked but at the same time he couldn't get away from what he was built to be.
Goodthrust69 Yup. It's a nice take on the vanity of creation. Really enjoyed the movie, and I agree, he...did...way...too..much. I thank him for it. :)
Anthony Alexander From my understanding of the movie, Stark didn't create the AI,in Ultron it came from the mind gem it's self it, same as it did for Vision, but with a little merging of Jarvis at the end,
Joss Whedon's philosophy is "Why go for the kill when you can go for the pain?" Quicksilver's death wasn't about Quicksilver, it was supposed to be all about Scarlet Witch's character development.
CBG is probably a breath of fresh air for those people on the red carpet. It's got to be nice to talk to someone who is inquisitive because they're passionate about the work you do when everyone else just wants a soundbite for ad revenue. CBG STRONK IN 2015
Black Widow got the short end of the stick in this movie. Her ENTIRE storyline revolved around The Hulk. She deserves better. She deserves her own independent plot like all of the other Avengers. I'm a little bit disappointed with Joss Whedon because of this.
Yeah, I wish they'd replace all those stupid flirty scenes between them and replace them with more of Black Widow's backstory. That would be so much more interesting.
Princess Darkseid Right?!?! That was so frustrating. What is the fucking point of that "romance"? I was cringing. Her backstory on the other hand seems so interesting and haunting.
JWRyan1990 She was pregnant during filming, so they had to shift certain things in the story. Lots of shots of her were digitally done with a body double. I think he would have used her more if he could. Joss loves his strong female characters.
JWRyan1990 I hated Black Widow in these movies. It felt like she was there for eye candy when I wish they gave us more of her back story and more of who she is as a person instead of "I'm always cleaning up after you boys". or her love relationship thingy with Hulk.
Jake Harries can't wait for that too, did anyone of u see the black woman (who everyone said to be from wakanda) from the trailer, the one standing with the back to us turning her head! i didn't see her anywhere!
I've seen different reviews both criticizing and praising James Spader's portrayal of Ultron, but I have to say I could listen to him quip forever. Ultron was by far my favorite character in the movie :)
Not sure I agree about the whole Black Widow/family thing. It seems clear in the movie that children and a normal life is exactly what she wants. We see her living vicariously though Baton's family and she's visibly upset when talking about how practical it was for her to have been sterilised (not that she shouldn't be regardless, but still.) It makes sense that someone with her background and history would want that, just as a bored housewife might wish for a little more excitement in her life. It's like Jamie Lee Curtis's character from 'True Lies' but coming the opposite direction. ;) Plus, I think Banner was being a little more literal when he talks about not being able to have a family. Put bluntly, he can't fuck without turning green, so a more casual physical relationship is out too. As for why he dumps Nat at the end...first off it's the Hulk that dumps her (after carefully putting her on the helicarrier) not Bruce, so that may be a factor. If not then basically forcing him to Hulk out against his will probably felt like a betrayal. That aside, it seems like he'd just had enough of people for now.
Reverend Trigster True that, also her nightmare-Scarlet-Witch scenario was about her being sterilized in the red room. Plus of COURSE Banner is going to going to consider their relationship in the most sober and serious way, he has to...any little thing he does has the potential to lead to absolute Armageddon, and also he would probably assume that Black Widow wants to live the rest of her life in peace and just have a nice quiet lovely little life, because that's what he wants.
Hulk was not saying "You need to settle down." He was saying that he's destructive and he was afraid he would take her down in the process. She was afraid of that, too. It would appear that Widow actually had a desire to settle down and have kids as not being able to hurt her. I realize that having children has become a socially dirty idea now, but Widow as a character is allowed to want children. Especially if she believes her past makes her a monster.
For the part you may not have remembered explaining the whole "he's in the internet so no stopping him" thing. It happens near the start of the floating rock battle I think when Vision puts Ultron's head in some sort of mind-meld kinda vice like grip, then it shows a cgi 'purge' of Ultron from the net. At least that's what I thought was being insinuated :)
Matt Cullen yep i paused the video to explain just this. Vision eradicated him from the web then cut him off from it. So he couldn't go anywhere else. Even if he had other robots elsewear in the world he couldn't get to them after that.
They totally alluded to cap's real, hypocritical dark side. Ultron actually says something like "As if you could live without a war." Later when Tony and cap are chopping wood Tony says "I don't trust a guy without a dark side" and cap says "you just haven't seen mine yet." He wasn't foreshadowing getting super lonely. In the very end when Tony's about to drive off he asks cap if he's alright and Steve gets this thousand-yard stare, and in the near distance we hear a PT cadence of some troops hut-hutting around, super boot camp vibe, and cap says "I'm home."
I loved the movie and really only had 2 problems with it. 1- No Coulson. that was a let down. I really would have liked to see him. I did like how AoS led right into the movie but Coulson should have been in it. 2- The traffic or more accurately the complete lack of it. In all the aerial shots there didn't seem to be a speck of traffic in the whole city. Even without Avengers running amok there would be normal traffic. When they are fighting Ultron on the truck the vehicles around them wouldn't have been behaving like nothing abnormal was going on. That really took me out of the movie temporarily. Sure I can accept aliens and powered beings but a lack of traffic in a city? Fuck no.
Cliff Roth Yeah the traffic bothered me a bit too; when Cap was thrown on to the windshield of a car, the driver kept going as if a guy hadn't just crashed right in front of their face.
Cliff Roth 95A1140 I don't understand at all. I remember seeing cars all over the place. That scene actually took place on top of a truck, Cap fell on a car, Widow weaved in and out of traffic as she was driving to the truck. How did you miss all of this? Have toy ever been to a city? Do you know what happens when there's an accident or someone is lying in the street? People just keep driving. They are all too busy with their own lives to stop and do anything else. Yes some people will stop and help or others will just record the whole thing on their phones but most people will just keep on driving.
she is actually really funny with her impression and way of her talking but that brain thingie kept cutting her mid sentence ! i want robot back,at least when he was cutting her mid sentence it was with something funny
SPOILER ALERT!!!! The Vision took Ultron and jammed his connection to the network. That was part of the plan. So he couldn't escape by downloading himself into another terminal. That's why they need to get all the robots.
Great review, but I strongly disagree with what you said about Ultron. I loved Ultron, finally we have a villain on par with Loki in the MCU. I love a cynical, snarky villain. In addition, Vision disconnected Ultron from the internet so he can't upload to another body. I liked how Joss Whedon paid tribute to the comic book Ultron and made his own. I liked the Transformers face. Ultron is an AI with human emotions, maybe that's why he wants a face. I hope one of his many robot body survived.
hunterkiller1440 totally agree ... Ultron was cool as all get out .. and said and did so much that was unexpected .. Watching Loki in Avengers 1 was kind of a let down because why do I want to watch a Thor villain in an Avenger movie?
Cap's fear wasn't that he would be alone. His fear was settling down and going home, and he embraces that fear at the end of the movie where he says "I'm home" in reference to being an Avenger. This is a theme carried over from Winter Soldier, and is introduced in this film in his conversation with Sam Wilson, and is reinforced by his vision and the argument with Tony at Hawkeye's home. Home pops up multiple times in the film and the idea of a traditional home scares Cap because he knows that his purpose is to be a soldier, and without that he has nothing else.
mandith he is the smart discussion partner :) Robot is the ironic dumb representative of a certain society group. Although Robot is sometimes more naive less informed and honest in his reactions...I like Robot more too :)
Re: Cpt. America's greatest fear. I don't think you saw the same movie as me. Understanding that he needed war to have a purpose was exactly the point of his SW induced vision. It had nothing to do with being alone. It was about how he had no home to go to, that fighting was his home so if everyone went home he'd be left alone in the USO hall. He's still Captain America, he fights for what's right, it's not true that he wants war, or likes war, just that he has no purpose without something to fight for. If he thinks it through though, there will always be evil, so there will always be a need for good men to stand up to bullies.
This movie won't pass the test of time. I like small parts of it, but overall it's a mess. Kind of how I feel about a lot of Will Farrell movies. The only people who will love this movie are the transformers and the fast and the furious fans.
Thayslan Costa furious 7 does what it says on the tin. But yes, it's a Transformer movie., nothing more and poor. I have no desire to watch it again and I wouldn't recomend it.
***** Comicbookgirl19, the girl who said that Theon getting castrated was "refreshing" and that the Orc comic book where the currency was severed penises is "an interesting and cool idea". She is a bit of a sickass where gender is concerned, like all feminists.
j Hughes True, but CBG19 doesn't seems to get that Banner is a true loner. They are fearful, they over analyze everything, and have a tendency to get overly attached, this is why they tend not to date much. What Black Widow wanted was a bit outside of what he ever imagined for himself and at too fast of a pace and their circumstances was forcing them to rush things even more. It came to a head once those feelings of domestic bliss Hawkguy was living touched home in them. But, what's clear is that this movie needed a night of real calm to established the connection they shared before it all fell apart.
j Hughes Banner did instantly go to his physical inability to have children, which is a pretty big stretch. He's just having a conversation with a mutually attracted female he hasn't even kissed before and is talking about babies? He came at her with a very old fashioned notion of what their relationship could be so yeah essentially he was asking her to be a housewife. In the real world if a girl you knew for a while casually brought up getting together and you instantly brought up babies, that girl would most likely think you were nuts. Most relationships don't end in baby making, not even close.
A few things: 1. Ultron was built off Tony Stark and thus based off of aspects of his personality in the same vein that the comics Ultron is based off Hank Pym. His sarcasm and wit came from Tony Stark. 2. They addressed why Ultron kept to human looking forms with Vision being his preferred form. 3. At the climax Vision had cut Ultron off from the internet thus why destroying all the sentries would kill him for good. 4.Black Widow wanted to run away with the Hulk. Sure that's not house, marriage, and kids, but it is still kind of commitment-ish. Everything else (both praise and criticism) I either agree or can see where you are coming from.
We all know Quicksilver will just be brought back to life in a future movie at some point, just like every other major character that has died in the MCU. This lessened the impact of his death scene for me quite a bit... The fact that he was shot in the upper arm not even half an hour earlier and just shrugged it off like it was nothing also made it a bit less believable that he would be shot to death that easily, you know?
Roy Batty YES! That's what I thought too! When he "died" I was like "lol, yeah, whatever, walk it off, I already saw you get shot in the arm, and your expression was like 'lol, i'm bullet proof, bye"" and then he went back to fighting evil robots and shit, like nothing happened! Then when he wouldn't get up, after being shot *repeatedly*, he kind of dramatically passes out, and I was like WHAT? I THOUGHT HE WAS BULLETPROOF?! Honestly, I still think he just fainted or something, because they didn't address his "death" at the end of the movie, only that Scarlet Witch starts crying and goes on a robot killing spree full of rage at the "loss" of her brother right after he's shot.
He has a healing factor due to his high metabolism. At the end though he was shot in the heart and that killed him. Wolverine has a faster Healing Factor so that wouldn't kill him.
It took Ultron approximately a 30 second review of a data download of human history to feel cognitive dissonance over Tony Stark's mission statement of "Creating a suit of armor around the world" and obtaining "Peace in our time." A lot of people critical of the movie complained about the amount of time it took for him to draw that conclusion, but...I feel that was the point. What I found even more interesting is the conversation between Ultron & The Vision. When Vision explains to Ultron the virtue of humanity by stating, "humans are odd. They think order and chaos are opposites and try to control what cannot be, but there is grace in their failings." Ultron's response is, "They are doomed." Vision's response was, "Yes. But, a thing isn't beautiful because it lasts." What is telling about that conversation is humans being doomed was a give in. There wasn't any strong argument between Ultron & Vision over the ultimate fate of humanity. The only difference is the Vision wanted things to take their natural course and Ultron wanted to cut to the chase scene.
"Joss Whedon usually kills your most favoritist character" My son within moments of leaving the movie: Why did the guy with white hair have to die? Being fast is the best power, I didn't like that movie"
Good lord you went on a rant about Banner and Widow. Banner made assumptions about Widow being a housewife? You're making assumptions about Banner making assumptions.
phenominal13 Yeah, I didn't get ANY of that. I just saw it as him projecting his insecurities about being, you know, a horrible monster who's incapable of having a normal life. Plus, what's with the housewife hate? You can be a badass and a housewife at the same time-- one doesn't negate the other. And maybe Natasha would like to settle down and have kids one day (which doesn't automatically translate to "subservient housewife")? She didn't exactly seemed thrilled about the forced sterilization thing.
Cicadian Rhythm "She didn't exactly seemed thrilled about the forced sterilization thing." That's what got me, that she would equate that to being a monster. Is this how sterile people tend to feel?
phenominal13 Yeah this bugged me too, but it makes a great illustration of projecting your own insecurities. Banner obviously is critically aware that he can't have a family or kids or a home and projects those fears onto Black Widow, just like Comicbookgirl19 has some issues with marriage and thinking that it automatically means the woman is subservient to the man, which is odd because in our culture women are seen as desiring marriage more than men, and projects those insecurities onto Banner like he actually wants to dominate Natasha.
The "monster" line was pretty clear to me. Her issue wasn't that she can't bear children, it's that she grew up in a place where the people in charge thought nothing of just scooping out a girl's reproductive organs like it weren't no big. The reason for the forced sterilization was because they believed it would make for better assassins, as they didn't want to risk them having children and, god forbid, forming emotional attachments to another human being. She thinks she's a monster because she was raised to be a soulless killing machine, and the sterilization was just one of the ways they attempted to ensure that.
In theory I should enjoy these movies but in reality I find the Avengers and most Marvel movies (sans Captain America 2) to be bland and sterile. Also, despite the "end of the world" stakes there is no real sense of threat, especially with regard to Ultron - who, for a menacing cold / evil AI, is non-threatening. I mean outside of the obvious big plot point what are the worst things that he does in this? He rips Klaw's arm off, steals a quinjet then guns down Quicksilver. Everyone else in that city gets evacuated and as far as I can recall no one else was killed.
The reason Ultron is less of a Transformers--looking robot, and more like a man, is because he seeks to be the next evolution of mankind. Hence the biological look of Vision. It's not a lot different than Apocalypse, really. There lies a humane behaviour in Ultron, because he's so misunderstood. He has human traits, but he's fixated on ideas spawned from Tony Stark's speeches, and cannot see the grey area between peace and chaos. It's actually very sad. To be misunderstood. And alone. He doesn't want to be alone. He sees Scarlet Witch as his friend to the very end, but he has to create the greater peace. And peace is created by absolute death. Hence the Von Strucker-banksy. Ultron chooses not to upload him anywhere is, because he's willing to die for thise cause. It matters not if he lives or dies. The pebble must be thrown, the story of Noah will be repeated, and Ultron wants to be at the epicenter of it: his church. And Tony Stark even discovered, that Ultron couldn't be all over the internet, because Jarvis was cutting off Ultron. The first time Vision attacks Ultron, he disconnects him from the internet as well. The only connection he has, is with the Ultron-bots.
21:17 because when the battle began, Vision grabbed Ultron, erased everything Ultron from the internet, so he could go to anywhere else upload himself to a new body, build a new body etc. so the last thing Ultron could do was fight and win or get one of his minions away wich housed his AI "brain" (i don't know XD) and rebuilt himself that way! THATS WHATS UP COMICBOOKGIRL19 ;D
please read this CBG19 and brain, because u kept jammin on this that the movie had it so wrong when they didn't, but Ultron was very lame so maybe u don't care!
***** Hey, just for checking, am I the only one who felt like... This version of Ultron is kind of empty? Idk, it felt less dangerous than Loki, I mean, if you compare this Ultron with the last ones (From Animated movies and series, to comics) Those were brutal, idk maybe it is just me, I was expecting more since it is the movie and well... I was hoping it more like the Nemesis of the Avengers, Loki was like the Mega Villain, and this Ultron was even less, again, am I the only one?
Alejo San you defenitly are not the only one! i was dissapointed in Ultron aswell, although there where moments where he got dark (or at least tried to be) like when he cut off claws arm or ripped trough his own body to surprise black widow but then it is followed with a funny tagline or just plain dull moments. and the end ffight went off to a good start but when he started to loose he went to there jet and tried to kill them all with the guns on the jet? (i mean he got one of them SPOILERS) but still so dissapointed
***** Well, there's that thing, but, he didn't felt so evil, it was even pathetic, but, meh, also what was the thing with Pinochio? I know it was kind of an analogy but, they never focused or even explained it well
Whedon needs a rest from Marvel movies. The insanity will kill him. He's a drained man and it shows. Take a break for now, so we get more from him in the future.
But she totally gets the properties of the movie vibranium wrong and goes with the comic book version. She got like 40% of what she saw wrong. Not even realizing that the movie vision is a combination of comic book vision and comic book Adam warlock
***** It's not, actually. Nobody in the MCU ever says that Vibranium is indestructible, which Adamantium is. Ultron also calls it the most versatile substance on earth, which the comic book Vibranium is, but Adamantium isn't. Adamantium is the opposite of versatile. It is totally inert. It can't be affected by other things.
Cap's dark side is that he always needs a war to fight in. He's never going to have a normal life. He was left alone because everybody left to go live peaceful lives after the war. I don't know what you guys thought it was.
Brian MacLeod cap's nightmare was the worst of them all, because it was something he could do nothing about. All his loved ones are just gone and war, as much of a good man as he might be, is the only thing that he know, of course this is more lighthearted in the movies, because it serves to cap being the leader, but it was sad if you thought about it.
Said Marin You're right... to a point. War is not the only thing Cap knows. A lot of people missed this but Captain America is an artist and made his living off his art before he was Cap.
The party scene with Captain America was the end of the war(WW2). That was his fear, the end of the fight. If it ends, then he doesn't have a purpose and wouldn't know what to do.
comicbookgirl19 But Steve Rogers is NOT A SOLDIER. He's a great guy with great strength that has been trained as a soldier. He fights because somebody else puts innocents in danger. I'm surprised about what you said about Cpt. America. His whole fear was well done. I'm more confused about Thor's perception. And about Ultron, I thought it was fantastic that Joss went the way of an AI that molds itself based on what he knew : Internet, Tony Stark and a bit of JARVIS. That was great because the AI is basically an evolution of our own "inhumanity" where as Vision is the evolution of our "humanity" :)
And about Widow/Banner relation, THAT is a great discussion to be had. Banner wants the American Dream House Familly end. Remember in Avengers? He had a house with an empty craddle. Where as Widow just probably wants the chance to have something "real" (as opposed to being tied to a mission maybe). Maybe that's why Banner pushes her away? anyway good review :)
One of the concepts as to why Ulton is witty and evil all at the same time is because of the influence of the mind gem, Tony's personality, and the fearful fanatic state Tony's was left in after Scarlet Witch reap the seeds of doubt in Tony's mind. She saw Ultron coming and he was a apart of her plan to get revenge on Tony. In truth Ultron and The Vision are her fault. She is very very powerful in the truest since. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if we get a House of M style movie focus on her and Dr. Strange some time in the future.
Just saw it. Loved it more than the first. Don't understand how anyone could see this and think the first was better but... I guess that's why we have opinions. In any event, I'll watch this one many times on Blu-Ray... I've only seen the first one a couple of times and have no desire to watch it again.
I mean, Banner and Widow were written by the same person. It wasn't Bruce "assuming too much," I think it was Joss being a little sloppy in his efforts to set up the reveal about Widow's origin and sterilization. And going by Nat's emotional reaction to retelling it, coupled with how she was with Barton's kids, it was not something she'd necessarily be opposed to, regardless.
why would you watch the movie and not take notes ?? vision cut him from the net !!!!! that why he couldn't escape to the internet and that's why destroying all body makes sense!!!!! and why would hide bodys if he didn't know nothing about vision??
"What's he gonna do when he does take over?" That's one reason I hated Killian in Iron Man 3. People shit on Iron Man 2, but Vanko and Hammer have actual goals.
i kinda liked ultron. I felt that his humanity in the story was an interesting take on artificial intelligence. Even adding a bit more unease to the character. Robot villains have always been scary because they aren't human, cold and calculating. Maybe him being so human makes him even more scary, knowing what humans are capable of in our meat suits, now hes everywhere and way harder to predict. And hey, if he is gonna make himself a penis he can make himself some friggin teeth lol
Really? I feel AI goes crazy and tries to wipe out humanity has been done to death, I prefer Vision, an actual sane AI, who may not have emotions as we do but substitute it with good old reason.
Good point. I wonder if the constant angry murderous ai's in our fiction is from an underlying fear of our own technology..... Or lame writers who aren't original lol
You brought up Captain America's biggest fear at around the 25 min. mark. I think this is precisely why he can be Mjolnir-worthy -- because he doesn't feel in the way that you expected of every soldier.
A 45-minute review and the only time you talked about Pietro was when you said he got killed. I wish you would have talk about him more or how you felt about his death. Personally, I thought his death was pretty pointless. I didn't do anything for the plot. I know Joss kills off people but you introduce the guy in this movie and kill him just as fast.
vxmit I definitely agree. I feel like Pietro was a forgettable character, and this was the reason I didn't care that he died. There just wasn't enough time to develop him with everything going on. But this version of Pietro was weird to me anyway, like he seemed like he looked perpetually clueless. Even the foreshadowing made him look stupid for getting shot. Poor rendition of the character in my opinion. I barely started to care about Scarlet Witch by the end of the movie, but I just don't really like Scarlet Witch as a character anyway. She's a caricature of what the old ideas of the role of women were. Emotional, prone to hysteric fits, uses magic and tricks instead of brawn, pretty but loses her cool and does dumb things. Just not a character I can either admire or relate to. They didn't even get to discuss the whole reason they hated Tony Stark. That was the stupid part. They changed their minds solely because Ultron was a bigger threat, but you'd think they would still have a grudge. Even if it was a misunderstanding.
"Anytime someone tries to stop a war before it starts, innocent people die everytime," something like that- fucking loved that line it made the whole movie for me.
Ultron should have been introduced in Iron Man 3. They should always stick to showing you the Avengers villain in at least one solo hero movie first and not necessarily as the main bad guy of that movie. By creating Ultron while still dealing with the Mandarin/Killian/Glow Brights you could have given him a chance to see first hand that the human race was the problem with the world while giving him time to start his plan and by doing so making Avengers 2 feel less packed and more informative.
Tony and Thor weren't fighting about which girlfriend was hotter they were actually bragging about their professional lives, Pepper running the business and Jane being a leading scientist in her field.
Maybe the uncut version is better, but I have to disagree this is worth seeing. It is a chaotic mess from start to finish. The plot is so weak and boring. Magneto's children were very poorly inserted into this non-mutant universe, and there was no reason for Quicksilver to die, especially considering audiences only had a few minutes to view the character before his death. The only emotion I had when Quicksilver died was his terrible line "well, guess I didn't zee dat coming". Cringe worthy, and dialogue I would expect in Batman & Robin, not Avengers. This movie should be a bright warning light to all involved to slow down, focus on tighter plots, and stop introducing new superheroes just to showcase their powers/abilities. This is not a terrible movie, but it has more wrong than right. Sometimes, less is more, while other times more is just too much.
I thought Pietro and Wanda were inserted well, and Pietro needed to die because his sacrifice is the affirmation of his heroism and his shifted perspective. The whole team had gotten one of those moments, and having Pietro go out is a way to give him one that also shuts down the inevitable argument people would have over the fact that no one in the movie dies. Plus, thematically it's important that he goes out protecting Clint of all characters.
About Ultron's "lips" -- if you look real close, everything is actually made out of rigid plates and metal plate sub-assemblies. If there is anything rubber-banding, then those are very subtle liberties taken with the plates/sub-assemblies. Ultron's "lips" are not an intellectual insult or hokey sci-fantasy thing like liquid metal. If you look close, it's actually intellectually satisfying.
Cute enough host (and she's would make a good Dazzler, as far as looks go), but I don't think CBG19 really understood the Avengers & didn't do a good job discussing this movie. I think that while she may read comics, she doesn't do a good job explaining or discussing the material (be it from the comics, movies, or tv shows). I think CGB19's heart is in the right place, but she's a bit too overzealous when it's not warranted. Case in point, her whole rant where CBG19 said that Banner/Hulk assumed that Black Widow was to be his subservient housewife. I guess it never crossed CBG19's mind that Banner was to be the "house HUSBAND" while Black Widow continued to work for SHIELD. Smh. So basically she has the antiquated ideologies and isn't open to the idea of a man staying home (and do his scientific studies) while his GF/wife is out do physical work. Unless Banner actually came out and said he'd want her to stay at home with the kids, then CBG19 shouldn't make assumptions. Also, there's nothing wrong with a woman being a housewife, that's what a lot of women do all around the world (including my mother).
I always thought that Ultron's "human-ness" was jarring but I let it slide bc I kinda had the idea that it was because there was a part of Stark in his consciousness, and it showed in his personality
He couldn't be the perfect director, because the movie was fking terrible. The day of Weakass Ultron vs the unkillable good guys should have been the title. Hugging kids in the middle of a war zone, the fake as fk love affair, the emotional nature of the damn robot...a movie for KIDS. Just like guardians of the galaxy.
I thought they mentioned that vision changed his programing so he couldn't escape into the net... which from that level of connection (A sort of like a Professor X brain probe for robots) he would have known if he had any bodies hidden anywhere else too. That's what I figured at least. Ultron always comes back though so surely some small part of him escaped to terrorize the Avengers another day.
There was a line in there - or a quick scene rather - that explains why Ultron wasn't everywhere via the internet. It's when Vision grabs Ultron's face when they first meet... zaps him and shuts him out somehow... Vision is such a badass man, beaming his arms through that robot and ripping it in two..so sick!!! :) Hope we see much more of him. Love the show CBG19. Thank you!
A couple of things that you may have missed, Ms. Comic Book Girl 19. Firstly, there was a scene when Vision directly confronted Ultron and he locked his mind inside of the Ultron bots completely blocking him from the internet which they did show. This was simply an expansion of what Jarvis had been doing the entire movie pretty much behind the scenes. The other thing is that they commented on why Ultron kept fashioning himself after humans in the movie which went along with his personality traits and creation. This could have been explained more smoothly if his creation had just a little more time in the film but maybe we'll get it in the director's cut.
LMAO! Comicbookgirl19 got a bit too upset and took what Banner said way too personal. It seems she's the type of girl who enjoys one night stands and screwing for fun. Wait until you're 35 honey and gravity starts to take over and all your friends are married with kids. You'll be singing a different tune real quick. The natural conclusion for any relationship is marriage and kids unless you're immortal.
I think Banner was more referencing himself with his whole I can't have kids, I can't have this or that speech. For someone who wanted a family, but now feels like he can't have one, the prospect of pursuing a relationship where he feels he may fall in love would be terrifying and easy to project those feelings on someone else. Whether she wants it or not he seems to, and for someone who wants kids/family/normal life, a relationship would be a constant reminder of what he has cost himself, and likely more torturous than "pretending" he is happy wandering alone.
we must have saw a different movie. This movie sucked. 45 mins of hawkeye, 15 mins of hulk. Brilliant. Civil War was much better. More like the original Avengers movie, and not like that crap Ultron
What's inherently wrong with 45 minutes of Hawkeye and 15 minutes of Hulk? If you don't like how it was handled, fine, but what's wrong with devoting more time to the actual human character who does more than just smash things *on principle*?
+The Ponderer it's a movie about superheroes! There are movies out here with "actual human characters" (i.e Bourne 1, 2, 3, 4).....Heck, Hawkeye was in 1 of them, Mission Impossible, Fast + Furious, etc) We get to see the Hulk every 4-5 years. He should have had a bigger roll. And Ultron sucked!!
Superheroes *are* human characters. That's why they're interesting. Without that, they're just vehicles for action scenes. Hulk's roll was big enough. What did you want, thirty more minutes of him just destroying stuff for the sake of looking cool? He appeared in exactly the right way to service the story, and that's what matters. And Ultron sucking is debatable.
Your criticism about them not addressing that Cap's greatest fear is not fighting a war is wrong. They did address it in his "nightmare scenario"... It showed Peggy telling him "The war is over, Steve" and that's when you see everyone in the ballroom disappear and Steve's just standing there by himself. That, to me, was a pretty clear statement that Cap's greatest fear is not knowing what to do with himself without a war to fight.
Complains for ten minutes about Black Widow's character in the film being portrayed in a sexist manner. The first thing she mentions in the next topic is how much she loves looking at Chris Hemsworth's bod. Right...
Correction CBG19! The hammer that Storm lifted and used in the now classic New Mutants/X-men in Valhalla Annual crossover, was not Mjolnir but a hammer made for her by the dwarves under Loki's direction. All part of plot by Loki to replace the then absent Thor with a brainwashed Storm.
man i loved ultron as a villian, he surprised me being so animated and funny but that just made him feel even more like an anti-tony stark. i just wish they'd left it more open for him to come back cuz it just seems ridiculous that he was defeated that easily when he could move through computers/networks, my hp printer is pretty sophisticated im sure ultron could've hid out in something like that before he just let the last robot minion body be destroyed.
Great stuff; I haven't watched any CBG19 for a while, but this was a really enjoyable watch. I don't always agree with everything you say, but your views are always interesting and engaging. Thanks for keeping the quality of geek coverage high!
24:30 Maybe you watched it differently than I did, but I got the impression that Tony didn't create Ultron because he was arrogant and chauvinistic, but because he was afraid that they wouldn't be able to defend themselves against alien races.
I thought Ultron was one of the stronger parts of the movie (Minus his rushed beginnings). There is something fantastically Shakespearian about him as villain. He's the MCUs second best villain if you ask me.
As for Ultron's appearance and human demeanor, he's not just a robot, he's a sentient being born out of Tony Stark's design with a weight toward Tony's fears. So that is the foundation upon which Ultron's consciousness is established.
I think the explanation for Ultron not taking over the internet, is that Jarvis had survived and retreated into cyberspace. They directly addressed the fact that Jarvis was preventing Ultron from taking control of the world's nuclear arsenal. I always assumed this extended to Jarvis keeping Ultron from surviving in internet form as well.
There WAS a scene that explained how/why was killable. Remember Vision grabbing Ultron's head & digitally "forcing" Ultron out of the internet & basically locking him out? Ultron even said "You locked me out."
RE: the Black Widow / Hulk scene....they were in Hawkeye’s house and Widow was part of the family, clearly loved it there. There was an undertone of her belonging there, and she wants to belong, and she probably DOES want a piece of that for herself. I don’t think it’s offensive to think two damaged people would have that discussion and get on the same page. I’m disabled and I’ve had those conversations early on in relationships, before they really were relationships, because “light” and “fun” between two people who connect and have a certain amount of being compromised, you do want to manage expectations. Not mislead, etc. Just a perspective.
About Ultron and internet: There was this scene where Vision grabbed Ultron's head and kinda plugged in and blocked him from the internet, kinda like a reverse firewall I guess? After that Ultron was only able to operate trough his robot-minions and that's why they needed to kill 'em all. Why were all the minions there in one place? 1: Ultron was arrogant 2: Ultron was a show-off. Both traits of Stark I suppose. Why was Ultron so human? This Ultron was created by Stark, not by Pym. So I'm assuming he took more after Stark and seemed more human than the comicbook version. On the other hand, since this Ultron was created by Stark, I would have loved it if Ultron's face looked more like Iron-man, since the original design took after Antman (because Pym created him.... yes I did just now notice that I have been calling Ultron a "him" instead of "it"... ) As a sidenote: I am a lowly casual comicbook reader so please be gentle with judging my comment
Regarding Banner's assumptions concerning Black Widow: he's probably so caught up in his own misery that he doesn't even think about who the woman in front of him is and what she may want in a relationship. He's hung up. That's what being hung up on something does. Your preoccupation with it doesn't allow you to see the possibilities in life that are right in front of you. You interpret everything in terms of your hang up. That's partially why hang ups are so debilitating. So, I took the scene to mean that *Banner* wants all those things. Wife. Kids. Home. A dog. What he has been taught is part of a normal life. He just longs to be normal, even if being normal sucks when you look at it. He can't have it. So, Black Widow reminds him of his fantasy of regret and self-pity. When he sees her and his natural inclinations kick in, cue the inner movie featuring all the shit he cannot have... it's a defense mechanism. "It won't work, so don't even try." So, he doesn't see the woman in front of him. He sees his ideas about the life he cannot have. He cannot see past that and see her. If he did, he wouldn't protest the way he did.
Where the hell do people get these ideas?! "Captain America's fear is being alone "?? Captain America's fear is not being alone, it's the war ending and him not having a reason to exist anymore. I don't remember who it was, but someone in the movie said that his biggest fear was the war ending, and then when Scarlet Witch controls his mind, we see soldiers drinking and celebrating as if a war finished and we see Peggy tellling him to come home. Never did i get the impression that he was afraid of being alone. That's also the reason he doesn't tell Stark or anyone his biggest fear, because it would make him seem like a monster.
I freaking loved Ultron's face, it was so creepy and unnerving. But also mesmerizing and charismatic. Way better than any of the Transformers faces. I also think it was necessary for the way they were doing is character as someone who is simultaneously obsessed with becoming more like and also fiercely hates humanity. So it makes sense that he has a mouth.
I felt that this movie brought one thought to the forefront more than anything in terms of Character Development and that is "When is the Fight Over?" This is an important question for Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and especially Bruce Banner. It's even a huge deal for Tony Stark as well, and is one of the main drivers behind his creation of Ultron. This also has implications outside the movie for the Actors considering they are all locked in long-term contracts to portray these characters for the foreseeable future. (Which despite the massive amounts of money is still pretty bleak for them as people.) I think it was something that Joss Whedon wanted to portray to the audience in that all of these characters are soldiers and that this constant war and fear of the next invasion really is taking it's psychological toll on them. It also reaches a personal level for Whedon himself as he is expected to crank out another of these in the next few years which very well might take an even greater toll on him. For Tony it was characterized by his fear of invasion, and his knowledge that the Avengers were inadequately prepared to meet it. Tony Stark created Ultron as an answer to that fear and something that would take the mantle of protecting the Earth off of his shoulders. It is also expressed through some casual dialogue with him and Thor that they are very proud of their significant others achievements though they don't really get to spend much time with them at all. They have the desire to "settle down" but are unable because they have a duty to defend the Earth. With Captain America it actually is expressed that he is concerned about his role as a never-ending soldier and there is only minor resolution to that where he says he is "home" when at the Avengers Facility at the end, but I am sure that this alludes to an even bigger personal crisis to occur in a later film. To be fair though this was also addressed in Winter Soldier to some extent. However, I felt that this movie showed a little bit of his fraying around the edges which may come to a head in Civil War. Which I am imagining to take place entirely in Wakanda. (bc F*** the Civil War Comic Book Arc) For Hawkeye, he doesn't really seem to desire to retire but recognizes that he probably should. He continues to do it because he feels an obligation and duty to his fellow team members and the world but is continuously recognizing that the stakes are increasing beyond his means to contribute and there may come a time where he is more a liability rather than an asset. (Whedon actually did a really great job leaving it open so that whatever Renners decision, it will still feel acceptable if Hawkeye leaves or stays.) Black Widow and Bruce Banner are two people who desire a future together but are prevented from doing so for multiple reasons. Bruce is tormented by crippling fear of harming her which results in his actions at the end of the film. Black Widow may not have intentions of having a family or being a housewife but it is clear from her desire to run off with Bruce that she does desire to leave all her current responsibilities and obligations and be with him, wherever that may be. This also expresses that her feelings for him run pretty deep. Overall, while I really liked the pairing...GAAAWWWD was that a dick move by Banner. Thor's deal is slightly different though definitely related. He is divided by his obligation to protect Earth and his duty to defend in Asgard. His "Dream" from Scarlet Witch expresses his own struggles with the balancing of his responsibilities, and his fear that he is letting Asgard fall to the wayside. (Which after seeing the ending of The Dark World is pretty damn valid) In any case, for TL;DNR people: The characters are beginning to show the attrition one would expect of any people put through constant combat and Life/Death struggle and I feel this will be an aspect that becomes more apparent or at least is further addressed in future Avengers movies and also other Marvel titles. This also has real world tie-ins to the actors current extensive and somewhat imprisoning film contracts.
I watched this in the cinema last night and the whole cinema laughed their asses off. (The movie was really funny, but also emotional and let's not forget the fight scenes and CGI)
Never understood the reason for Ultron kidnapping Black Widow and then leaving her in the cell. What confused me even more was when Bruce Banner(the Hulk) walked up to Black Widow's cell to rescue her. At first I thought it was a dream sequence because I thought there was no way he could of reached her without alerting any of the Ultron's guards. We find out later that Ultron packed all of his equipment somewhere else and left Black Widow behind?
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She needs to watch this movie again. Vision shut Ultron out of the internet and Vision can also locate every single Ultron bot.
they're connected.
DoubleO88 Yep, you're right.
DoubleO88 Indeed, the scene where Vision locks Ultron out of the net was pretty hard to miss. I actually think that te movie didn't have many storytelling/script flaws... almost everything that is brought up is also explained... except the few references that one needs to watch Agents of Shield for to fully grasp.
DoubleO88 Still does not explain why ultron did not have copies of himself in the internet or in robots outside of that town they were fighting in. Should have been pretty easy for him to hide himself somewhere on some server or whatever. Also it is likely that he actually did that, so they can bring him back for another movie or series in the future...
Sune Bjerregaard Possible, then again, Vision as he is presented in the movie is pretty much a carbon copy of Ultron minus the sociopathy, so one could argue that everything Ultron could think of as far as contingency plans go, Vision could predict and counter.
When Vision grabs Ultron in the church by the head you see animation of the little cubes changing from blue to yellow. That was Vision erasing and blocking Ultron from the internet. He could only then switch his consciousness from body to body.
You know what the most realistic part of the movie was?
The fact that Ultron decided to wipe out humanity after a few minutes on the internet.
comicbookgirl19 To help understand the humanizing of Ultron, there was a line in the movie about Stark's arrogance/personality that was embedded into the AI of Ultron. Hence the snarky one-liners. I don't know if that fills in any blanks, but it was enough to suspend my disbelief.
I do feel that in this sense they should have been a bit more heavy-handed in the portrayal of Ultron's AI to drive the concept home, but hey we're always bitching about being spoon fed narrative... Persian rugs and the paradox of perfection I guess in the grand scheme.
Anthony Alexander I agree, I loved Ultron because he was basically an evil tony stark. He wanted to be human, that was his flaw. He know humans sucked but at the same time he couldn't get away from what he was built to be.
Goodthrust69 Yup. It's a nice take on the vanity of creation. Really enjoyed the movie, and I agree, he...did...way...too..much. I thank him for it. :)
Anthony Alexander From my understanding of the movie, Stark didn't create the AI,in Ultron it came from the mind gem it's self it, same as it did for Vision, but with a little merging of Jarvis at the end,
rednut981 We see the same nuance with Jarvis as well. Mona Lisa's smile.
***** yeah I agree. Also, you have a cool super-hero-esque name.
Joss Whedon's philosophy is "Why go for the kill when you can go for the pain?" Quicksilver's death wasn't about Quicksilver, it was supposed to be all about Scarlet Witch's character development.
CBG is probably a breath of fresh air for those people on the red carpet. It's got to be nice to talk to someone who is inquisitive because they're passionate about the work you do when everyone else just wants a soundbite for ad revenue. CBG STRONK IN 2015
Black Widow got the short end of the stick in this movie. Her ENTIRE storyline revolved around The Hulk. She deserves better. She deserves her own independent plot like all of the other Avengers. I'm a little bit disappointed with Joss Whedon because of this.
Yeah, I wish they'd replace all those stupid flirty scenes between them and replace them with more of Black Widow's backstory. That would be so much more interesting.
JWRyan1990 She would have also been a better death choice.
Princess Darkseid Right?!?! That was so frustrating. What is the fucking point of that "romance"? I was cringing. Her backstory on the other hand seems so interesting and haunting.
JWRyan1990 She was pregnant during filming, so they had to shift certain things in the story. Lots of shots of her were digitally done with a body double. I think he would have used her more if he could. Joss loves his strong female characters.
JWRyan1990 I hated Black Widow in these movies. It felt like she was there for eye candy when I wish they gave us more of her back story and more of who she is as a person instead of "I'm always cleaning up after you boys". or her love relationship thingy with Hulk.
I can't wait to see the full uncut version when it comes to Blue ray
Jake Harries You probably have to wait forever.
No I won't
Jake Harries can't wait for that too, did anyone of u see the black woman (who everyone said to be from wakanda) from the trailer, the one standing with the back to us turning her head! i didn't see her anywhere!
Jake Harries I really hope the uncut movie is actually better because often uncut just means that the movie isent passed as well as the original.
I remember seeing somewhere that Whedon stated that he preferred the uncut one but I can't remember where I see that
I've seen different reviews both criticizing and praising James Spader's portrayal of Ultron, but I have to say I could listen to him quip forever. Ultron was by far my favorite character in the movie :)
He was a great character!
Not sure I agree about the whole Black Widow/family thing. It seems clear in the movie that children and a normal life is exactly what she wants. We see her living vicariously though Baton's family and she's visibly upset when talking about how practical it was for her to have been sterilised (not that she shouldn't be regardless, but still.)
It makes sense that someone with her background and history would want that, just as a bored housewife might wish for a little more excitement in her life. It's like Jamie Lee Curtis's character from 'True Lies' but coming the opposite direction. ;)
Plus, I think Banner was being a little more literal when he talks about not being able to have a family. Put bluntly, he can't fuck without turning green, so a more casual physical relationship is out too.
As for why he dumps Nat at the end...first off it's the Hulk that dumps her (after carefully putting her on the helicarrier) not Bruce, so that may be a factor. If not then basically forcing him to Hulk out against his will probably felt like a betrayal. That aside, it seems like he'd just had enough of people for now.
Reverend Trigster on point
Reverend Trigster True that, also her nightmare-Scarlet-Witch scenario was about her being sterilized in the red room. Plus of COURSE Banner is going to going to consider their relationship in the most sober and serious way, he has to...any little thing he does has the potential to lead to absolute Armageddon, and also he would probably assume that Black Widow wants to live the rest of her life in peace and just have a nice quiet lovely little life, because that's what he wants.
Hulk was not saying "You need to settle down." He was saying that he's destructive and he was afraid he would take her down in the process. She was afraid of that, too. It would appear that Widow actually had a desire to settle down and have kids as not being able to hurt her.
I realize that having children has become a socially dirty idea now, but Widow as a character is allowed to want children. Especially if she believes her past makes her a monster.
For the part you may not have remembered explaining the whole "he's in the internet so no stopping him" thing. It happens near the start of the floating rock battle I think when Vision puts Ultron's head in some sort of mind-meld kinda vice like grip, then it shows a cgi 'purge' of Ultron from the net. At least that's what I thought was being insinuated :)
Matt Cullen Yeah, that's right. He was limited to his drones which is why none of them could be allowed to escape.
Matt Cullen yep i paused the video to explain just this. Vision eradicated him from the web then cut him off from it. So he couldn't go anywhere else. Even if he had other robots elsewear in the world he couldn't get to them after that.
Richard Strong yep and towards the end the drones were like, crap we're losing so some of them tried to run it seemed.
They totally alluded to cap's real, hypocritical dark side. Ultron actually says something like "As if you could live without a war." Later when Tony and cap are chopping wood Tony says "I don't trust a guy without a dark side" and cap says "you just haven't seen mine yet." He wasn't foreshadowing getting super lonely. In the very end when Tony's about to drive off he asks cap if he's alright and Steve gets this thousand-yard stare, and in the near distance we hear a PT cadence of some troops hut-hutting around, super boot camp vibe, and cap says "I'm home."
I liked how erratic and funny Ultron was. He was very fractured and I enjoyed it.
I loved the movie and really only had 2 problems with it.
1- No Coulson. that was a let down. I really would have liked to see him. I did like how AoS led right into the movie but Coulson should have been in it.
2- The traffic or more accurately the complete lack of it. In all the aerial shots there didn't seem to be a speck of traffic in the whole city. Even without Avengers running amok there would be normal traffic. When they are fighting Ultron on the truck the vehicles around them wouldn't have been behaving like nothing abnormal was going on. That really took me out of the movie temporarily. Sure I can accept aliens and powered beings but a lack of traffic in a city? Fuck no.
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Cliff Roth Yeah the traffic bothered me a bit too; when Cap was thrown on to the windshield of a car, the driver kept going as if a guy hadn't just crashed right in front of their face.
Exactly.
Cliff Roth 95A1140 I don't understand at all. I remember seeing cars all over the place. That scene actually took place on top of a truck, Cap fell on a car, Widow weaved in and out of traffic as she was driving to the truck. How did you miss all of this?
Have toy ever been to a city? Do you know what happens when there's an accident or someone is lying in the street? People just keep driving. They are all too busy with their own lives to stop and do anything else. Yes some people will stop and help or others will just record the whole thing on their phones but most people will just keep on driving.
she is actually really funny with her impression and way of her talking but that brain thingie kept cutting her mid sentence ! i want robot back,at least when he was cutting her mid sentence it was with something funny
I would like to hear Comicbookgirl19's take on Daredevil.....
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The Vision took Ultron and jammed his connection to the network. That was part of the plan. So he couldn't escape by downloading himself into another terminal. That's why they need to get all the robots.
Great review, but I strongly disagree with what you said about Ultron.
I loved Ultron, finally we have a villain on par with Loki in the MCU. I love a cynical, snarky villain. In addition, Vision disconnected Ultron from the internet so he can't upload to another body. I liked how Joss Whedon paid tribute to the comic book Ultron and made his own. I liked the Transformers face. Ultron is an AI with human emotions, maybe that's why he wants a face. I hope one of his many robot body survived.
hunterkiller1440 totally agree ... Ultron was cool as all get out .. and said and did so much that was unexpected .. Watching Loki in Avengers 1 was kind of a let down because why do I want to watch a Thor villain in an Avenger movie?
joyis9638 I guess it's to pay tribute to the first Avengers comic book issue?
Ultron sucked.
Kurt Rivero Little behind the times, are you not? That means your opinion is worthless.
joyis9638 Opinions do not have an expiration date like a carton of milk. So it bears repeating. Ultron sucked.
the age of Ultron is a future they were trying to prevent, not what you were seeing in the movie
Cap's fear wasn't that he would be alone. His fear was settling down and going home, and he embraces that fear at the end of the movie where he says "I'm home" in reference to being an Avenger. This is a theme carried over from Winter Soldier, and is introduced in this film in his conversation with Sam Wilson, and is reinforced by his vision and the argument with Tony at Hawkeye's home. Home pops up multiple times in the film and the idea of a traditional home scares Cap because he knows that his purpose is to be a soldier, and without that he has nothing else.
dafuq is this brain??? Did robot die?
mandith he is the smart discussion partner :) Robot is the ironic dumb representative of a certain society group. Although Robot is sometimes more naive less informed and honest in his reactions...I like Robot more too :)
Belle Casey but he is also so lame
mandith That brain looks like bum cheeks with testicles. Kinda throws me off.
mandith It's brain on a stick. The woman liked her kid shows i guess.
mandith I miss Robot. :(
Re: Cpt. America's greatest fear.
I don't think you saw the same movie as me. Understanding that he needed war to have a purpose was exactly the point of his SW induced vision. It had nothing to do with being alone. It was about how he had no home to go to, that fighting was his home so if everyone went home he'd be left alone in the USO hall.
He's still Captain America, he fights for what's right, it's not true that he wants war, or likes war, just that he has no purpose without something to fight for.
If he thinks it through though, there will always be evil, so there will always be a need for good men to stand up to bullies.
This movie won't pass the test of time. I like small parts of it, but overall it's a mess. Kind of how I feel about a lot of Will Farrell movies. The only people who will love this movie are the transformers and the fast and the furious fans.
Thayslan Costa furious 7 does what it says on the tin. But yes, it's a Transformer movie., nothing more and poor. I have no desire to watch it again and I wouldn't recomend it.
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+Jamescrab No but boyfriend dulal is.
Where did you get "housewife" from? Banner never said he wanted her to be a subservient housewife. That's an assumption on your part.
j Hughes feminist nuts never make sense...they are the ironic emotional stereotype that somehow hates the stereotype that they are.
j Hughes Right? That came out of nowhere.
***** Comicbookgirl19, the girl who said that Theon getting castrated was "refreshing" and that the Orc comic book where the currency was severed penises is "an interesting and cool idea". She is a bit of a sickass where gender is concerned, like all feminists.
j Hughes True, but CBG19 doesn't seems to get that Banner is a true loner. They are fearful, they over analyze everything, and have a tendency to get overly attached, this is why they tend not to date much. What Black Widow wanted was a bit outside of what he ever imagined for himself and at too fast of a pace and their circumstances was forcing them to rush things even more. It came to a head once those feelings of domestic bliss Hawkguy was living touched home in them. But, what's clear is that this movie needed a night of real calm to established the connection they shared before it all fell apart.
j Hughes Banner did instantly go to his physical inability to have children, which is a pretty big stretch. He's just having a conversation with a mutually attracted female he hasn't even kissed before and is talking about babies?
He came at her with a very old fashioned notion of what their relationship could be so yeah essentially he was asking her to be a housewife. In the real world if a girl you knew for a while casually brought up getting together and you instantly brought up babies, that girl would most likely think you were nuts. Most relationships don't end in baby making, not even close.
Im not an Avengers fan, but I could listen to CBG19 talk about toilet paper with great interest..
A few things: 1. Ultron was built off Tony Stark and thus based off of aspects of his personality in the same vein that the comics Ultron is based off Hank Pym. His sarcasm and wit came from Tony Stark. 2. They addressed why Ultron kept to human looking forms with Vision being his preferred form. 3. At the climax Vision had cut Ultron off from the internet thus why destroying all the sentries would kill him for good. 4.Black Widow wanted to run away with the Hulk. Sure that's not house, marriage, and kids, but it is still kind of commitment-ish. Everything else (both praise and criticism) I either agree or can see where you are coming from.
Hotness:
Scarlet Witch>Black Widow
thebatmanover9000 Why? because of the slow-mo boobie jiggle? Agree 100%
thebatmanover9000 And her powers are better. Lizzie Olsen's character portrayal is better too.
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We all know Quicksilver will just be brought back to life in a future movie at some point, just like every other major character that has died in the MCU. This lessened the impact of his death scene for me quite a bit... The fact that he was shot in the upper arm not even half an hour earlier and just shrugged it off like it was nothing also made it a bit less believable that he would be shot to death that easily, you know?
Roy Batty YES! That's what I thought too! When he "died" I was like "lol, yeah, whatever, walk it off, I already saw you get shot in the arm, and your expression was like 'lol, i'm bullet proof, bye"" and then he went back to fighting evil robots and shit, like nothing happened! Then when he wouldn't get up, after being shot *repeatedly*, he kind of dramatically passes out, and I was like WHAT? I THOUGHT HE WAS BULLETPROOF?! Honestly, I still think he just fainted or something, because they didn't address his "death" at the end of the movie, only that Scarlet Witch starts crying and goes on a robot killing spree full of rage at the "loss" of her brother right after he's shot.
He has a healing factor due to his high metabolism. At the end though he was shot in the heart and that killed him. Wolverine has a faster Healing Factor so that wouldn't kill him.
13topich "When he "died" I was like "lol, yeah, whatever, walk it off". That was Cap's orders.
The Hermit Man I meant to quote him silly
13topich I just meant that obviously he will have to follow orders.
lol that's a good point about those Banner assumptions - never thought of that!
LewToons actually it's not, because you can tell that she wants children. The way she gets all emotional...
Thank you!!! In the end Scarlet Witch looked like Jean Grey from Last Stand, not cool. Not cool.
It took Ultron approximately a 30 second review of a data download of human history to feel cognitive dissonance over Tony Stark's mission statement of "Creating a suit of armor around the world" and obtaining "Peace in our time." A lot of people critical of the movie complained about the amount of time it took for him to draw that conclusion, but...I feel that was the point.
What I found even more interesting is the conversation between Ultron & The Vision. When Vision explains to Ultron the virtue of humanity by stating, "humans are odd. They think order and chaos are opposites and try to control what cannot be, but there is grace in their failings." Ultron's response is, "They are doomed." Vision's response was, "Yes. But, a thing isn't beautiful because it lasts."
What is telling about that conversation is humans being doomed was a give in. There wasn't any strong argument between Ultron & Vision over the ultimate fate of humanity. The only difference is the Vision wanted things to take their natural course and Ultron wanted to cut to the chase scene.
"Joss Whedon usually kills your most favoritist character" My son within moments of leaving the movie: Why did the guy with white hair have to die? Being fast is the best power, I didn't like that movie"
Can't blame him for liking the speed characters. It's not like he was into super weird incest twins from ultimate comics XD
Good lord you went on a rant about Banner and Widow. Banner made assumptions about Widow being a housewife? You're making assumptions about Banner making assumptions.
phenominal13 Yeah, I didn't get ANY of that. I just saw it as him projecting his insecurities about being, you know, a horrible monster who's incapable of having a normal life.
Plus, what's with the housewife hate? You can be a badass and a housewife at the same time-- one doesn't negate the other. And maybe Natasha would like to settle down and have kids one day (which doesn't automatically translate to "subservient housewife")? She didn't exactly seemed thrilled about the forced sterilization thing.
Cicadian Rhythm "She didn't exactly seemed thrilled about the forced sterilization thing." That's what got me, that she would equate that to being a monster. Is this how sterile people tend to feel?
The Hermit Man Same here. I hated that so much, it *really* bugged me. I don't see anyone else talking about that line.
phenominal13 Yeah this bugged me too, but it makes a great illustration of projecting your own insecurities. Banner obviously is critically aware that he can't have a family or kids or a home and projects those fears onto Black Widow, just like Comicbookgirl19 has some issues with marriage and thinking that it automatically means the woman is subservient to the man, which is odd because in our culture women are seen as desiring marriage more than men, and projects those insecurities onto Banner like he actually wants to dominate Natasha.
The "monster" line was pretty clear to me. Her issue wasn't that she can't bear children, it's that she grew up in a place where the people in charge thought nothing of just scooping out a girl's reproductive organs like it weren't no big. The reason for the forced sterilization was because they believed it would make for better assassins, as they didn't want to risk them having children and, god forbid, forming emotional attachments to another human being.
She thinks she's a monster because she was raised to be a soulless killing machine, and the sterilization was just one of the ways they attempted to ensure that.
In theory I should enjoy these movies but in reality I find the Avengers and most Marvel movies (sans Captain America 2) to be bland and sterile. Also, despite the "end of the world" stakes there is no real sense of threat, especially with regard to Ultron - who, for a menacing cold / evil AI, is non-threatening. I mean outside of the obvious big plot point what are the worst things that he does in this? He rips Klaw's arm off, steals a quinjet then guns down Quicksilver. Everyone else in that city gets evacuated and as far as I can recall no one else was killed.
HAL had no robot lips but you could still sense his emotions!
The reason Ultron is less of a Transformers--looking robot, and more like a man, is because he seeks to be the next evolution of mankind. Hence the biological look of Vision. It's not a lot different than Apocalypse, really.
There lies a humane behaviour in Ultron, because he's so misunderstood. He has human traits, but he's fixated on ideas spawned from Tony Stark's speeches, and cannot see the grey area between peace and chaos. It's actually very sad. To be misunderstood. And alone. He doesn't want to be alone. He sees Scarlet Witch as his friend to the very end, but he has to create the greater peace. And peace is created by absolute death. Hence the Von Strucker-banksy.
Ultron chooses not to upload him anywhere is, because he's willing to die for thise cause. It matters not if he lives or dies. The pebble must be thrown, the story of Noah will be repeated, and Ultron wants to be at the epicenter of it: his church. And Tony Stark even discovered, that Ultron couldn't be all over the internet, because Jarvis was cutting off Ultron. The first time Vision attacks Ultron, he disconnects him from the internet as well. The only connection he has, is with the Ultron-bots.
21:17 because when the battle began, Vision grabbed Ultron, erased everything Ultron from the internet, so he could go to anywhere else upload himself to a new body, build a new body etc. so the last thing Ultron could do was fight and win or get one of his minions away wich housed his AI "brain" (i don't know XD) and rebuilt himself that way! THATS WHATS UP COMICBOOKGIRL19 ;D
please read this CBG19 and brain, because u kept jammin on this that the movie had it so wrong when they didn't, but Ultron was very lame so maybe u don't care!
***** Yeah, I am not sure how they both missed that part. Ultron is super pissed about it too! "You took my world! Now I will take yours!"
***** Hey, just for checking, am I the only one who felt like... This version of Ultron is kind of empty? Idk, it felt less dangerous than Loki, I mean, if you compare this Ultron with the last ones (From Animated movies and series, to comics) Those were brutal, idk maybe it is just me, I was expecting more since it is the movie and well... I was hoping it more like the Nemesis of the Avengers, Loki was like the Mega Villain, and this Ultron was even less, again, am I the only one?
Alejo San you defenitly are not the only one! i was dissapointed in Ultron aswell, although there where moments where he got dark (or at least tried to be) like when he cut off claws arm or ripped trough his own body to surprise black widow but then it is followed with a funny tagline or just plain dull moments. and the end ffight went off to a good start but when he started to loose he went to there jet and tried to kill them all with the guns on the jet? (i mean he got one of them SPOILERS) but still so dissapointed
***** Well, there's that thing, but, he didn't felt so evil, it was even pathetic, but, meh, also what was the thing with Pinochio? I know it was kind of an analogy but, they never focused or even explained it well
Whedon needs a rest from Marvel movies. The insanity will kill him. He's a drained man and it shows. Take a break for now, so we get more from him in the future.
In the Movies Vibranium is Admantium because Admantium is an X film thang
***** in the movie, it's a plug for Black Panther. Besides, they're not able to use adamantium due to copyrights, but vibranium serves it's purpose
But she totally gets the properties of the movie vibranium wrong and goes with the comic book version. She got like 40% of what she saw wrong. Not even realizing that the movie vision is a combination of comic book vision and comic book Adam warlock
***** That's also why she's asking the wrong director to play Dazzler...
LOL... Everybody in LA wants and thinks they are going to be in Movies.
***** It's not, actually. Nobody in the MCU ever says that Vibranium is indestructible, which Adamantium is. Ultron also calls it the most versatile substance on earth, which the comic book Vibranium is, but Adamantium isn't. Adamantium is the opposite of versatile. It is totally inert. It can't be affected by other things.
Cap's dark side is that he always needs a war to fight in. He's never going to have a normal life. He was left alone because everybody left to go live peaceful lives after the war. I don't know what you guys thought it was.
Brian MacLeod cap's nightmare was the worst of them all, because it was something he could do nothing about. All his loved ones are just gone and war, as much of a good man as he might be, is the only thing that he know, of course this is more lighthearted in the movies, because it serves to cap being the leader, but it was sad if you thought about it.
Said Marin You're right... to a point. War is not the only thing Cap knows. A lot of people missed this but Captain America is an artist and made his living off his art before he was Cap.
Said Marin War is the only thing he knows, and it's the only thing he's still good at.
The party scene with Captain America was the end of the war(WW2). That was his fear, the end of the fight. If it ends, then he doesn't have a purpose and wouldn't know what to do.
comicbookgirl19 But Steve Rogers is NOT A SOLDIER. He's a great guy with great strength that has been trained as a soldier. He fights because somebody else puts innocents in danger. I'm surprised about what you said about Cpt. America. His whole fear was well done. I'm more confused about Thor's perception.
And about Ultron, I thought it was fantastic that Joss went the way of an AI that molds itself based on what he knew : Internet, Tony Stark and a bit of JARVIS. That was great because the AI is basically an evolution of our own "inhumanity" where as Vision is the evolution of our "humanity" :)
And about Widow/Banner relation, THAT is a great discussion to be had. Banner wants the American Dream House Familly end. Remember in Avengers? He had a house with an empty craddle. Where as Widow just probably wants the chance to have something "real" (as opposed to being tied to a mission maybe). Maybe that's why Banner pushes her away?
anyway good review :)
One of the concepts as to why Ulton is witty and evil all at the same time is because of the influence of the mind gem, Tony's personality, and the fearful fanatic state Tony's was left in after Scarlet Witch reap the seeds of doubt in Tony's mind. She saw Ultron coming and he was a apart of her plan to get revenge on Tony. In truth Ultron and The Vision are her fault. She is very very powerful in the truest since. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if we get a House of M style movie focus on her and Dr. Strange some time in the future.
This extra commentator/brain thing irritates me. Especially when he/it interrupts CBG19.
Just saw it. Loved it more than the first. Don't understand how anyone could see this and think the first was better but... I guess that's why we have opinions. In any event, I'll watch this one many times on Blu-Ray... I've only seen the first one a couple of times and have no desire to watch it again.
Thor may have great hair, but Loki has a great hat.
I mean, Banner and Widow were written by the same person. It wasn't Bruce "assuming too much," I think it was Joss being a little sloppy in his efforts to set up the reveal about Widow's origin and sterilization. And going by Nat's emotional reaction to retelling it, coupled with how she was with Barton's kids, it was not something she'd necessarily be opposed to, regardless.
My inner Buffy fan loved it when you mentioned Buffy, actually be sick if you did a to series review of it.
I like how Ultron pointed it out to Captain America when said Captain you live for war
why would you watch the movie and not take notes ?? vision cut him from the net !!!!! that why he couldn't escape to the internet and that's why destroying all body makes sense!!!!! and why would hide bodys if he didn't know nothing about vision??
"What's he gonna do when he does take over?"
That's one reason I hated Killian in Iron Man 3. People shit on Iron Man 2, but Vanko and Hammer have actual goals.
i kinda liked ultron. I felt that his humanity in the story was an interesting take on artificial intelligence. Even adding a bit more unease to the character.
Robot villains have always been scary because they aren't human, cold and calculating. Maybe him being so human makes him even more scary, knowing what humans are capable of in our meat suits, now hes everywhere and way harder to predict.
And hey, if he is gonna make himself a penis he can make himself some friggin teeth lol
Really? I feel AI goes crazy and tries to wipe out humanity has been done to death, I prefer Vision, an actual sane AI, who may not have emotions as we do but substitute it with good old reason.
Good point. I wonder if the constant angry murderous ai's in our fiction is from an underlying fear of our own technology.....
Or lame writers who aren't original lol
I saw Ex Machina just before Age of Ultron, it was great. You're going to love it =)
This movie felt more like a action-comedy more than anything.
You brought up Captain America's biggest fear at around the 25 min. mark. I think this is precisely why he can be Mjolnir-worthy -- because he doesn't feel in the way that you expected of every soldier.
A 45-minute review and the only time you talked about Pietro was when you said he got killed. I wish you would have talk about him more or how you felt about his death. Personally, I thought his death was pretty pointless. I didn't do anything for the plot. I know Joss kills off people but you introduce the guy in this movie and kill him just as fast.
I agree with u. It was pointless
vxmit I definitely agree. I feel like Pietro was a forgettable character, and this was the reason I didn't care that he died. There just wasn't enough time to develop him with everything going on. But this version of Pietro was weird to me anyway, like he seemed like he looked perpetually clueless. Even the foreshadowing made him look stupid for getting shot. Poor rendition of the character in my opinion.
I barely started to care about Scarlet Witch by the end of the movie, but I just don't really like Scarlet Witch as a character anyway. She's a caricature of what the old ideas of the role of women were. Emotional, prone to hysteric fits, uses magic and tricks instead of brawn, pretty but loses her cool and does dumb things. Just not a character I can either admire or relate to.
They didn't even get to discuss the whole reason they hated Tony Stark. That was the stupid part. They changed their minds solely because Ultron was a bigger threat, but you'd think they would still have a grudge. Even if it was a misunderstanding.
"Anytime someone tries to stop a war before it starts, innocent people die everytime," something like that- fucking loved that line it made the whole movie for me.
CBG19 for Dazzler!!!
Ultron should have been introduced in Iron Man 3. They should always stick to showing you the Avengers villain in at least one solo hero movie first and not necessarily as the main bad guy of that movie. By creating Ultron while still dealing with the Mandarin/Killian/Glow Brights you could have given him a chance to see first hand that the human race was the problem with the world while giving him time to start his plan and by doing so making Avengers 2 feel less packed and more informative.
I found the Hulk/Black Widow forced romance a waste of screen time.
Tony and Thor weren't fighting about which girlfriend was hotter they were actually bragging about their professional lives, Pepper running the business and Jane being a leading scientist in her field.
Maybe the uncut version is better, but I have to disagree this is worth seeing. It is a chaotic mess from start to finish. The plot is so weak and boring. Magneto's children were very poorly inserted into this non-mutant universe, and there was no reason for Quicksilver to die, especially considering audiences only had a few minutes to view the character before his death. The only emotion I had when Quicksilver died was his terrible line "well, guess I didn't zee dat coming". Cringe worthy, and dialogue I would expect in Batman & Robin, not Avengers. This movie should be a bright warning light to all involved to slow down, focus on tighter plots, and stop introducing new superheroes just to showcase their powers/abilities. This is not a terrible movie, but it has more wrong than right. Sometimes, less is more, while other times more is just too much.
I thought Pietro and Wanda were inserted well, and Pietro needed to die because his sacrifice is the affirmation of his heroism and his shifted perspective. The whole team had gotten one of those moments, and having Pietro go out is a way to give him one that also shuts down the inevitable argument people would have over the fact that no one in the movie dies. Plus, thematically it's important that he goes out protecting Clint of all characters.
About Ultron's "lips" -- if you look real close, everything is actually made out of rigid plates and metal plate sub-assemblies. If there is anything rubber-banding, then those are very subtle liberties taken with the plates/sub-assemblies. Ultron's "lips" are not an intellectual insult or hokey sci-fantasy thing like liquid metal. If you look close, it's actually intellectually satisfying.
Cute enough host (and she's would make a good Dazzler, as far as looks go), but I don't think CBG19 really understood the Avengers & didn't do a good job discussing this movie. I think that while she may read comics, she doesn't do a good job explaining or discussing the material (be it from the comics, movies, or tv shows).
I think CGB19's heart is in the right place, but she's a bit too overzealous when it's not warranted. Case in point, her
whole rant where CBG19 said that Banner/Hulk assumed that Black Widow was to be his subservient housewife. I guess it never crossed CBG19's mind that Banner was to be the "house HUSBAND" while Black Widow continued to work for SHIELD. Smh. So basically she has the antiquated ideologies and isn't open to the idea of a man staying home (and do his scientific studies) while his GF/wife is out do physical work. Unless Banner actually came out and said he'd want her to stay at home with the kids, then CBG19 shouldn't make assumptions. Also, there's nothing wrong with a woman being a housewife, that's what a lot of women do all around the world (including my mother).
I too would be more excited for Ms Marvel then Captain Marvel, the costume itself was just far more iconic.
Man, you are really projecting your dating issues on Black Widow and Banner's story.
Lol this
I always thought that Ultron's "human-ness" was jarring but I let it slide bc I kinda had the idea that it was because there was a part of Stark in his consciousness, and it showed in his personality
Ultron torpedoed the movie. He should have been less human and more Skynet.
ref 17.52 mins
here in the future I'm glad to say the Russo bros have moved the game on to stunning effect in Civil War !
He couldn't be the perfect director, because the movie was fking terrible. The day of Weakass Ultron vs the unkillable good guys should have been the title. Hugging kids in the middle of a war zone, the fake as fk love affair, the emotional nature of the damn robot...a movie for KIDS. Just like guardians of the galaxy.
***** keep stalking me, and man you must be a low iq kid, those weak ass insults with 100% emotion and 0% reason. Worth a laugh, boy.
***** you are obviously a total wimp in real life if you think you have some sort of effect on me...like come on keyboard warrior lol.
I thought they mentioned that vision changed his programing so he couldn't escape into the net... which from that level of connection (A sort of like a Professor X brain probe for robots) he would have known if he had any bodies hidden anywhere else too. That's what I figured at least. Ultron always comes back though so surely some small part of him escaped to terrorize the Avengers another day.
Ultron is still alive in my nose trimmer
There was a line in there - or a quick scene rather - that explains why Ultron wasn't everywhere via the internet. It's when Vision grabs Ultron's face when they first meet... zaps him and shuts him out somehow... Vision is such a badass man, beaming his arms through that robot and ripping it in two..so sick!!! :) Hope we see much more of him. Love the show CBG19. Thank you!
This is cringe. You didn't even pay attention. You have no idea how Ultron can be killed. Peace.
A couple of things that you may have missed, Ms. Comic Book Girl 19. Firstly, there was a scene when Vision directly confronted Ultron and he locked his mind inside of the Ultron bots completely blocking him from the internet which they did show. This was simply an expansion of what Jarvis had been doing the entire movie pretty much behind the scenes. The other thing is that they commented on why Ultron kept fashioning himself after humans in the movie which went along with his personality traits and creation. This could have been explained more smoothly if his creation had just a little more time in the film but maybe we'll get it in the director's cut.
LMAO! Comicbookgirl19 got a bit too upset and took what Banner said way too personal. It seems she's the type of girl who enjoys one night stands and screwing for fun. Wait until you're 35 honey and gravity starts to take over and all your friends are married with kids. You'll be singing a different tune real quick. The natural conclusion for any relationship is marriage and kids unless you're immortal.
***** You are a complete idiot.
John Breen lol
I think Banner was more referencing himself with his whole I can't have kids, I can't have this or that speech. For someone who wanted a family, but now feels like he can't have one, the prospect of pursuing a relationship where he feels he may fall in love would be terrifying and easy to project those feelings on someone else. Whether she wants it or not he seems to, and for someone who wants kids/family/normal life, a relationship would be a constant reminder of what he has cost himself, and likely more torturous than "pretending" he is happy wandering alone.
we must have saw a different movie. This movie sucked. 45 mins of hawkeye, 15 mins of hulk. Brilliant. Civil War was much better. More like the original Avengers movie, and not like that crap Ultron
What's inherently wrong with 45 minutes of Hawkeye and 15 minutes of Hulk? If you don't like how it was handled, fine, but what's wrong with devoting more time to the actual human character who does more than just smash things *on principle*?
+The Ponderer it's a movie about superheroes! There are movies out here with "actual human characters" (i.e Bourne 1, 2, 3, 4).....Heck, Hawkeye was in 1 of them, Mission Impossible, Fast + Furious, etc)
We get to see the Hulk every 4-5 years. He should have had a bigger roll.
And Ultron sucked!!
Superheroes *are* human characters. That's why they're interesting. Without that, they're just vehicles for action scenes. Hulk's roll was big enough. What did you want, thirty more minutes of him just destroying stuff for the sake of looking cool? He appeared in exactly the right way to service the story, and that's what matters.
And Ultron sucking is debatable.
i think he would rather have a bigger role, than a bigger roll. One can fill up on bread.
Your criticism about them not addressing that Cap's greatest fear is not fighting a war is wrong. They did address it in his "nightmare scenario"... It showed Peggy telling him "The war is over, Steve" and that's when you see everyone in the ballroom disappear and Steve's just standing there by himself. That, to me, was a pretty clear statement that Cap's greatest fear is not knowing what to do with himself without a war to fight.
Complains for ten minutes about Black Widow's character in the film being portrayed in a sexist manner. The first thing she mentions in the next topic is how much she loves looking at Chris Hemsworth's bod. Right...
Correction CBG19! The hammer that Storm lifted and used in the now classic New Mutants/X-men in Valhalla Annual crossover, was not Mjolnir but a hammer made for her by the dwarves under Loki's direction. All part of plot by Loki to replace the then absent Thor with a brainwashed Storm.
man i loved ultron as a villian, he surprised me being so animated and funny but that just made him feel even more like an anti-tony stark. i just wish they'd left it more open for him to come back cuz it just seems ridiculous that he was defeated that easily when he could move through computers/networks, my hp printer is pretty sophisticated im sure ultron could've hid out in something like that before he just let the last robot minion body be destroyed.
Great stuff; I haven't watched any CBG19 for a while, but this was a really enjoyable watch. I don't always agree with everything you say, but your views are always interesting and engaging.
Thanks for keeping the quality of geek coverage high!
YES! THANK YOU FOR THE BLACK WIDOW OPINION! I was pissed with Banner's assumptions too!
24:30 Maybe you watched it differently than I did, but I got the impression that Tony didn't create Ultron because he was arrogant and chauvinistic, but because he was afraid that they wouldn't be able to defend themselves against alien races.
I thought Ultron was one of the stronger parts of the movie (Minus his rushed beginnings). There is something fantastically Shakespearian about him as villain. He's the MCUs second best villain if you ask me.
As for Ultron's appearance and human demeanor, he's not just a robot, he's a sentient being born out of Tony Stark's design with a weight toward Tony's fears. So that is the foundation upon which Ultron's consciousness is established.
I think the explanation for Ultron not taking over the internet, is that Jarvis had survived and retreated into cyberspace. They directly addressed the fact that Jarvis was preventing Ultron from taking control of the world's nuclear arsenal. I always assumed this extended to Jarvis keeping Ultron from surviving in internet form as well.
Hal 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey was just a red light...and he was terrifying.
There WAS a scene that explained how/why was killable. Remember Vision grabbing Ultron's head & digitally "forcing" Ultron out of the internet & basically locking him out? Ultron even said "You locked me out."
Ultron being this human is why it's so great IMO. If he was like any other generic, evil AI than it would have been a big disappointment for me.
RE: the Black Widow / Hulk scene....they were in Hawkeye’s house and Widow was part of the family, clearly loved it there. There was an undertone of her belonging there, and she wants to belong, and she probably DOES want a piece of that for herself. I don’t think it’s offensive to think two damaged people would have that discussion and get on the same page. I’m disabled and I’ve had those conversations early on in relationships, before they really were relationships, because “light” and “fun” between two people who connect and have a certain amount of being compromised, you do want to manage expectations. Not mislead, etc.
Just a perspective.
About Ultron and internet: There was this scene where Vision grabbed Ultron's head and kinda plugged in and blocked him from the internet, kinda like a reverse firewall I guess? After that Ultron was only able to operate trough his robot-minions and that's why they needed to kill 'em all.
Why were all the minions there in one place? 1: Ultron was arrogant 2: Ultron was a show-off. Both traits of Stark I suppose.
Why was Ultron so human? This Ultron was created by Stark, not by Pym. So I'm assuming he took more after Stark and seemed more human than the comicbook version. On the other hand, since this Ultron was created by Stark, I would have loved it if Ultron's face looked more like Iron-man, since the original design took after Antman (because Pym created him.... yes I did just now notice that I have been calling Ultron a "him" instead of "it"... )
As a sidenote: I am a lowly casual comicbook reader so please be gentle with judging my comment
Regarding Banner's assumptions concerning Black Widow: he's probably so caught up in his own misery that he doesn't even think about who the woman in front of him is and what she may want in a relationship.
He's hung up. That's what being hung up on something does. Your preoccupation with it doesn't allow you to see the possibilities in life that are right in front of you. You interpret everything in terms of your hang up. That's partially why hang ups are so debilitating.
So, I took the scene to mean that *Banner* wants all those things. Wife. Kids. Home. A dog. What he has been taught is part of a normal life. He just longs to be normal, even if being normal sucks when you look at it. He can't have it. So, Black Widow reminds him of his fantasy of regret and self-pity. When he sees her and his natural inclinations kick in, cue the inner movie featuring all the shit he cannot have... it's a defense mechanism. "It won't work, so don't even try."
So, he doesn't see the woman in front of him. He sees his ideas about the life he cannot have. He cannot see past that and see her. If he did, he wouldn't protest the way he did.
Where the hell do people get these ideas?! "Captain America's fear is being alone "?? Captain America's fear is not being alone, it's the war ending and him not having a reason to exist anymore. I don't remember who it was, but someone in the movie said that his biggest fear was the war ending, and then when Scarlet Witch controls his mind, we see soldiers drinking and celebrating as if a war finished and we see Peggy tellling him to come home. Never did i get the impression that he was afraid of being alone. That's also the reason he doesn't tell Stark or anyone his biggest fear, because it would make him seem like a monster.
I freaking loved Ultron's face, it was so creepy and unnerving. But also mesmerizing and charismatic. Way better than any of the Transformers faces. I also think it was necessary for the way they were doing is character as someone who is simultaneously obsessed with becoming more like and also fiercely hates humanity. So it makes sense that he has a mouth.
I felt that this movie brought one thought to the forefront more than anything in terms of Character Development and that is "When is the Fight Over?" This is an important question for Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and especially Bruce Banner. It's even a huge deal for Tony Stark as well, and is one of the main drivers behind his creation of Ultron. This also has implications outside the movie for the Actors considering they are all locked in long-term contracts to portray these characters for the foreseeable future. (Which despite the massive amounts of money is still pretty bleak for them as people.) I think it was something that Joss Whedon wanted to portray to the audience in that all of these characters are soldiers and that this constant war and fear of the next invasion really is taking it's psychological toll on them. It also reaches a personal level for Whedon himself as he is expected to crank out another of these in the next few years which very well might take an even greater toll on him.
For Tony it was characterized by his fear of invasion, and his knowledge that the Avengers were inadequately prepared to meet it. Tony Stark created Ultron as an answer to that fear and something that would take the mantle of protecting the Earth off of his shoulders. It is also expressed through some casual dialogue with him and Thor that they are very proud of their significant others achievements though they don't really get to spend much time with them at all. They have the desire to "settle down" but are unable because they have a duty to defend the Earth.
With Captain America it actually is expressed that he is concerned about his role as a never-ending soldier and there is only minor resolution to that where he says he is "home" when at the Avengers Facility at the end, but I am sure that this alludes to an even bigger personal crisis to occur in a later film. To be fair though this was also addressed in Winter Soldier to some extent. However, I felt that this movie showed a little bit of his fraying around the edges which may come to a head in Civil War. Which I am imagining to take place entirely in Wakanda. (bc F*** the Civil War Comic Book Arc)
For Hawkeye, he doesn't really seem to desire to retire but recognizes that he probably should. He continues to do it because he feels an obligation and duty to his fellow team members and the world but is continuously recognizing that the stakes are increasing beyond his means to contribute and there may come a time where he is more a liability rather than an asset. (Whedon actually did a really great job leaving it open so that whatever Renners decision, it will still feel acceptable if Hawkeye leaves or stays.)
Black Widow and Bruce Banner are two people who desire a future together but are prevented from doing so for multiple reasons. Bruce is tormented by crippling fear of harming her which results in his actions at the end of the film. Black Widow may not have intentions of having a family or being a housewife but it is clear from her desire to run off with Bruce that she does desire to leave all her current responsibilities and obligations and be with him, wherever that may be. This also expresses that her feelings for him run pretty deep. Overall, while I really liked the pairing...GAAAWWWD was that a dick move by Banner.
Thor's deal is slightly different though definitely related. He is divided by his obligation to protect Earth and his duty to defend in Asgard. His "Dream" from Scarlet Witch expresses his own struggles with the balancing of his responsibilities, and his fear that he is letting Asgard fall to the wayside. (Which after seeing the ending of The Dark World is pretty damn valid)
In any case, for TL;DNR people: The characters are beginning to show the attrition one would expect of any people put through constant combat and Life/Death struggle and I feel this will be an aspect that becomes more apparent or at least is further addressed in future Avengers movies and also other Marvel titles. This also has real world tie-ins to the actors current extensive and somewhat imprisoning film contracts.
I watched this in the cinema last night and the whole cinema laughed their asses off.
(The movie was really funny, but also emotional and let's not forget the fight scenes and CGI)
Never understood the reason for Ultron kidnapping Black Widow and then leaving her in the cell. What confused me even more was when Bruce Banner(the Hulk) walked up to Black Widow's cell to rescue her. At first I thought it was a dream sequence because I thought there was no way he could of reached her without alerting any of the Ultron's guards.
We find out later that Ultron packed all of his equipment somewhere else and left Black Widow behind?