Totally agree. Old tools are gold tools, we can learn from their robustness and ingenuity. We also save creating waste, rather than continue the disposable lifestyle most of us fall into. Also thanks for adding subtitles.
I think it's just as likely the designers of twingrips, vampliers, etc. have never even heard of these very niche antique pliers. I don't think anyone copied anyone. It's an idea that you can come to from seeing how people actually USE pliers in the real world without copying anyone.
That very well could be the case. You also gotta remember that while these niche antique pliers may be niche to us now, they are not niche. Gas & Burner pliers were used by many trades. There are so many different companies that made them and you can find them very easily at garage sales and antique tool shows throughout North America and the UK. Also a copy of the utica pliers that are in this video are still made today by some companies! Finally, it isn't bad to copy. Originally before patents were invented, everyone copied. Copyright/patents were invented to allow inventors to be able to be the sole profitors of their inventions for a few years. As it was understood that copying is a very important aspect to innovation. Unfortunately lobbyists got legislation put into place that made these patents take way way too long to expire. While i think it is completely plausible for someone to come up with the idea without having seen it (as we see from history, just about every major invention had two or three others in different places also working on nearpy identical projects), i think that these companies definitely have a team of people who look through expired tool patents and antique tools hoping to rediscover something they can profit off of! But again i should Reiterate, copying a feature and innovating on it is not inherently bad and is necessary for innovation.
What a stupid take. The innovation with the twingrip is that you have ~2x the leverage of the old style tool, as the pivot point is much more foreward, while you can still grab the same stock!
I think this is a pretty fresh take. No one else seems to be talking about the relationship between Screw Removal Pliers and old Gas & Burner Pliers. I was pretty clearly just referring to all screw removal pliers and just the screw removal function. But for the fun of being childish on the internet, I will hit you with a: "Nah uh! You're take on my take being a stupid take is the stupid take. So there!"
Totally agree. Old tools are gold tools, we can learn from their robustness and ingenuity. We also save creating waste, rather than continue the disposable lifestyle most of us fall into.
Also thanks for adding subtitles.
The disposable lifestyle is hard not to fall into these days.
You're welcome! I have subtitles for each of my videos. I think it's important to have.
I think it's just as likely the designers of twingrips, vampliers, etc. have never even heard of these very niche antique pliers. I don't think anyone copied anyone. It's an idea that you can come to from seeing how people actually USE pliers in the real world without copying anyone.
That very well could be the case. You also gotta remember that while these niche antique pliers may be niche to us now, they are not niche. Gas & Burner pliers were used by many trades. There are so many different companies that made them and you can find them very easily at garage sales and antique tool shows throughout North America and the UK. Also a copy of the utica pliers that are in this video are still made today by some companies!
Finally, it isn't bad to copy. Originally before patents were invented, everyone copied. Copyright/patents were invented to allow inventors to be able to be the sole profitors of their inventions for a few years. As it was understood that copying is a very important aspect to innovation. Unfortunately lobbyists got legislation put into place that made these patents take way way too long to expire.
While i think it is completely plausible for someone to come up with the idea without having seen it (as we see from history, just about every major invention had two or three others in different places also working on nearpy identical projects), i think that these companies definitely have a team of people who look through expired tool patents and antique tools hoping to rediscover something they can profit off of!
But again i should Reiterate, copying a feature and innovating on it is not inherently bad and is necessary for innovation.
they were proably used to grip valve stems that had the handle broke off
Not sure if you have a pair but you should get a pair of Utica Fence tool pliers. So much better than any modern copycat I have seen
Utica made so many different fence tool pliers. Some of them really intrigue me so I will definitely look this up, thanks!
Спасибо за видео!
What a stupid take. The innovation with the twingrip is that you have ~2x the leverage of the old style tool, as the pivot point is much more foreward, while you can still grab the same stock!
I think this is a pretty fresh take. No one else seems to be talking about the relationship between Screw Removal Pliers and old Gas & Burner Pliers. I was pretty clearly just referring to all screw removal pliers and just the screw removal function.
But for the fun of being childish on the internet, I will hit you with a:
"Nah uh! You're take on my take being a stupid take is the stupid take. So there!"
Moving the pivot point forward is innovation? Klein has been doing that for ages on their lineman pliers.