Bought the Qidi Plus 4 3 months ago. No real complaints and enjoyed the larger plate size. Last month it printed a very large blob inside the cover. While it was awaiting parts that was covered under the warranty I ordered the X1 Carbon. Gota say both are equal in quality both in construction and print quality I really enjoy the AMS enough that it's my fav. Though I read Qidi will have there AWS out Q1 of next year. When dealing with Qidi service I simply told them the issue and they promptly responded with tracking number for all components to replace everything in the print head and all electronics and boards associated.
Thanks for sharing your experience with both printers. I also love my AMS and I agree with your other comments. Thanks for taking the time to provide your comments.
@@tek9058 You're still comparing it to an almost three year old model. Sure, they may be a bit ahead now, but think of what leap the next proper bambu model could be.
@@NaveicationI think you're over estimating how 'revolutionary' Bambu was. They're solid printers but the most significant advancement IMO is a polished ecosystem that's friendly to less experienced users and a reliable multi-material system at a competitive price point. The rest is simply a well-tuned CoreXY printer in an enclosure running closed-source software. It can produce great prints out of the box but where they did have to trim costs makes it difficult to repair the inevitable issues that pop up after a year or two of heavy use. As someone who has made custom printers, they're not interesting to me but I respect how they pushed the industry to step it up. I'm not a fan of forced data collection but my main concern is their popularity has led to other printers (like QIDI) also being assembled in ways that make long-term maintenance about as practical as repairing a big name ink-jet printer.
@@tek9058 Are you basing this on direct experience of a paid-for, off-the-shelf K2 plus? Or the golden samples that the influencers undoubtedly received, and their resulting videos *gushing* about how amazing it is? Don't get me wrong; if the K2 plus is as good as I'd like it to be, I'll grab one. I just don't trust creality with new product launches.
The X1C came out in 2022 and bambu is set to release a new flagship in 2025. So it took everyone 2 and half years to catch up. Let’s see what bambu comes out with next.
2:00 Another reviewer who just released their video said they found this to be caused by thermal retraction due to excessive heat buildup for PLA material and by opening the door the issue went away. It's possible lowering chamber and bed temps would also resolve this issue.
I'm fairly certain that I had the door open for my PLA Benchy printing, but there is no harm in me running the print again just to be 100% certain. Thanks for the comment.
@ristinnovations for what it's worth, with top panel removed and door opened, my plus 4 had the same exact print issue on the same exact corner on benchy, and ive seen other reviewers with the exact same artifact. It's entirely possible given the widespread consistent results that it's a file issue in the pre loaded file? I didn't try loading a different benchy to print tho as my next print was the top lid standoff and it printed with zero artifacts and I just never thought about it again.
I too received the same error with the chamber heater fan issue. I replaced the fan with a higher quality fan and no issues so far. Great content - liked and subbed.
Just ordered the Qidi Plus 4, I understand that Bambu is the king by many, but the price point as well as the features that’s packing and all the updates only making it better or even its best competitor. Snatched it for about $740 shipped, can’t complain when I needed $1250 for just the x1c. Also them coming out with an AMS q1 of 2025 will make it a complete printer. They will only get better from this point and on!
I'll be honest with myself and others... I really only watched this video because I wanted you to tell me the Plus 4 is as good as I'd hoped. I'm definitely going after the QIDI Plus 4 now. I've been waging the internal psychological war with myself for a couple of weeks now over the expense. In the end it's just plain time for me to get a new printer to replace my ancient but very well used and heavily modified Robo 3D R1+. She's just plain old and tired and tech is SO much better now. The Plus 4 is far more advanced, faster, far more reliable, and has some capability advantages I'd really love to get my hands on. And the price is right. And I'll have a machine that can help me continue to grow my design skills with less holding me back. I haven't been this psyched about a nerd-purchase in quite some time. I'll be trying to get it by mid next week. 🙂
I think you will like the Plus 4. I feel it offers a lot of features for the price. Please let me know how you make out with the Plus 4. Thanks for your comment.
I'm a long time 3d printer, Makerbot replicator, CR10 heavily modded, various Prusa versions all with hundreds/thousands hours under my belt including the usual tweaking/tinkering/repairing. It came to the time I was due an upgrade last week. It was either a Prusa MK4 or higher. After watching your video and others I decided it was time to leave Prusa get into the "fire and forget" market. I went for the Bambu X1C and so far I'm blown away with it (other than the noise it produces👎🏼)
So, both models can go from 0 to 60 at roughly the same rate. Are parts under the hood equal? One has already been on the road a few years and still going strong. Personally, I prefer the higher quality machine, but perhaps technology is beyond that.
My observations are that both printers are built using a solid frame. Mechanically, they look similar to me. I'm not an expert in electronics, so I can't offer any input there. If I had to rate the two machines, I would still list the X1C on top, followed by the Plus 4. I'm not sure if I provided you with enough information to answer your question, but thank you for your question.
I have bought quite a few 3D printers over the last 11 years, the X1 Carbon Combo has given me much less downtime than other machines, that's not to say it hasn't had issues though, when I took the nozzle out to clean it the unit could not be replaced as one of the brass thermal inserts in the extruder popped proud and so stopping the replacement of the nozzle, my UK vendor had a replacement extruder in the post that very day and I received it next day, I have purchased many printers from this vendor, Technology Outle in the UK, they have the best customer service I have ever encountered and I was a customer service manager for an international company The X1C produces very good quality prints and very quickly and at the time I bought it was the only super fast machine that was multi material and under £1500. The Plus4 is half of what I spent with Bambu Lab, I was intending to purchase a second X1 Carbon or maybe a P1S, I was hoping for a new flagship model from Bambu by now, think this will now be soon though, I will hold out for now though, I could end up purchasing a Plus 4 machine.
Thank you for sharing your experience with the X1C. I have had a similar excellent experience my X1C. I’m also very interested in seeing what Bambu Lab will be launching during the first Quarter. Thank you for taking the time to provide your detailed comment.
This is not my first printer but is my first really good printer, i can launch a print direct from the memory or newly sliced an forgot to watch all the time if it's ok or not. great product and great service to. i really appreciate you compare video.
I would say they are similar in noise when they are running. The Plus 4 has a noisier fan for the electronics that runs continuously, even when you aren't printing. Thanks for the question.
@@ristinnovations there an easy mod, as easy as editing the printer.cfg file, that allows you to reduce the noise of the mainboard fan when the printer is idle.
I have had a multitude of 3D Printers in the last 11 years, I can say with certainty that the Bambu Lab X1C Combo is the best machine I have purchased, but I have probably said the same for many of my machines. I have been thinking of buying a second one and a second AMS, however, I have been hoping that Bambu would release a larger machine with a toolchanger, a toolchanger would create a lot less wastage with multi colour and multi material prints. The Qidi plus 3 was on my radar also when I decided it was time for one of the super fast machines, I think it was the AMS capability that made my decision.
Please double check the part of your video where the heater chamber is replaced! You do not have to fully dismount the printer for replacing the chamber heater. It's fully sufficient to remove the two screws from the bottom side of the printer. The heater chamber can be demounted from the inside as it fits through the gantry elements, due to the side walls being a bit flexible. The procedure shown in the video takes one hour or more. Please at least leave a remark in the video or the comment section that the heater chamber can be replaced differently! Thank you!
I was following Qidi's video on the steps to replace the chamber heater. I did notice that the Qidi-produced video did not have the two screws in the bottom of the frame holding the chamber heater. There may be an easier way to replace the chamber heater now, but I documented how I did it by following Qidi's instructions. Thanks for your comment.
It depends on the firmware version. Pre-release versions with the older firmware limited the temperature. The release versions with release firmware do support 370C. The printer.cfg file even lists a maximum of 380C before Klipper will step in and shut the hotend down.
@stew675 oh thank you for that clarification! I wonder who will make the first 500° printer to the consumer market so we can actually use these Phaetus Dragons to the max?
The biggest points that mean a lot to me are print quality, ease of use, and reliability. The equipment parts issue was a big turn-off with me. Replacing boards and fans is a definite no-go for me....unless shipping it back to them for the fixed doesn't cost me anything. Otherwise I'll stick with the one that has a better track record.
Just a heads up: Unless I missed somthing, Qidi power loss recovery is absolutely a lie. 31 hours into a 33 hour print and I had a power hiccup. Printer did indeed recover and had a prompt for power loss recovery. You could either press Continue, or Cancel. I pressed continue and it immediately went to re-home the axis with no on screen controls to prevent this from happening. The bed began moving back up to home position which drove the partial print on the build plate right into the extruder and it kept trying to lift until I yanked the power cord. It is absolutely baffeling to me how they advertize a power loss recovery feature and then program it in such a way that it eill either destroy the equipment or destroy the partial print. DO NOT DEPEND ON THIS FEATURE. Again, unless Im missing someting, this is absilutely not a functional feature and it would be wise to buy a good 1000w UPS to prevent power loss issues. I plan to try to manually replicate this condition again with non critical test prints to see if perhaps it was user error, but from what I can tell, there was only two options to pick and one of them was to cancel the print.
@@ristinnovations yes sir. That's correct. But I've since gone to their website and found that they don't sell the boards to the public. It's only offered to those that purchased faulty printers. I was going to make my own chamber heater for an older printer and hoped to just usje this board as a ready-made solution
Are you saying that new units are NOT being shipped with the upgraded SSR board? Or do you have a pre upgrade unit. I was thinking of buying this but I want it fixed from the factory.
@erich1159 Nie jest naprawione. Musisz to sam zrobić. To jak w dżungli w Amazonii. Kup i sobie sam dawaj radę. Nie podoba mi się to, bo ta drukarka nie kosztuje 200$
@@Kimberlie1 That is good to know. My contact at Qidi told me they were introducing the new SSR board into their production, but at the time they didn't know the status of inventory in the US warehouse(s). Thank you for the information.
6:45 I'm tired of people saying "maybe I need to fine-tune the parameters". When 3D printers just came out, that was understandable, sure, but when you're paying $1000+ for a printer 8 years later, there shouldn't be any "fine tuning". Do you need to "fine tune" your laser printer each time you load a new batch of paper? If I'm using a filament with RFID tag that the printer recognizes, it should JUST WORK! All the fine-tuning should've been done at the factory.
I understand your point of view, however many 3D printers only have “generic” material profiles instead of pre-loaded material profiles for every manufacturer’s filament so there are different parameter values for every manufacturer’s filament. 3D printers are heading in the direction you describe, but they are not there yet when compared to a standard paper printer. Thanks for sharing your point of view.
Seeing as everyone including myself seems to have the exact same issue on the exact same corner, it's extremely likely we are all using the onboard file and there's some issue with the file. I could probably load a different than benchy but all of mu subsequent prints have been flawless so it didn't seem to be a priority.
I did take into consideration all three dimensions. I calculated the X1C volume to be 16,800 cubic cm and the Plus 4 to be 26,100 cubic cm; however I found an error in my calculations and you are correct; the Plus 4 has 55% more print volume. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
Influencers, influencing, the Influenced. I've yet to see any that come close to BLs build quality or stability for that matter🤞. For all practical purposes, a P1S is all that you need, that too without AMS. Larger build plate only makes sense for those few. Same with a chamber heater(except for the engineering grade materiala) or the gimmicky multicolor prints with AMS. If you are primarily into functional prints, you don't need an A1,A1 mini or a X1C or any clones, that are still catching up🤞.
How so? Not everyone has $1k+ to blow on a 3D printer and aside from the AMS, the Plus 4 is the better option for people not wanting to spend nearly double the price.
I don't agree with " they should test there stuff more .". they have rushed it to market to be the best value for money printer and consequently it has some issues ... but then the money they might have spent testing they spend or shipping parts out quick smart and actually building a pretty good reputation in service and support as long as people are posting positive media about the experience i think they have the balance right i think timing is really important .
I appreciate your point of view, however their CEO has stated that they need to do more testing before they launch a new product. When quality issues like the SSR board happen, it has a negative impact on a company’s reputation and it negatively impacts their sales. I think in QIDI’s recent case, they are trying to the right thing by all the things mentioned by their CEO. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
@@ristinnovations Yeh I think people will tolerate a few performance issues if the service is good but the SSR thing is a real safety thing really not ok to send to market way to much risk for everyone ..
Great video. Considering the P1S ( more similar to the Plus 4 than the X1C) and AMS are $799 it is a much better deal and is pretty much the same printer (no LIDAR). The advantages of the Plus 4 for the home hobbies really don't matter that much ..IMO. It amazes me how stupid engineers can be. Why on earth would you change the mains connection knowing you are sending out a consumer replaceable part, pure stupidity or lack of connection to reality. As far as support it looks like we have gone backwards with the Plus 4 a few years where Chinese prints had piss poor quality control. And my biggest complaint is china printers in general is the relying on us to do warrantee repair for free. I have no issue with repairing my printers once out of warrantee but to expect free labor to repair an in warrantee printer IMO is BS. Again great video and very informative.
Pokazujesz, że Qidi jest lepsza, albo przynajmniej taka sama jak Bambu. Oglądając inne filmy na YT stwierdzam, że to nie jest prawda. Dodatkowo program Qidi Slicer jest zepsuty. On ma dużo problemów i to pokazują ludzie na innych filmach. Dlaczego tego nie pokazałeś? Bambu ma Bambu Studio i Maker World, działa bez potrzeby naprawiania w garażu i to właśnie zabija Qidi. X1C =10 Plus 4 =8
The Plus4 uses Qidi Studio as stock, not Qidi Slicer (which was for their 3-series models). Plenty of people on the Qidi Discord using Qidi Studio as their everyday slicer with the Plus4 without issues. While true that the first batch models of the Plus4 had some teething issues with profiles and earlier firmware versions, the newer firmware versions release by Qidi have resolved most of those issues, and updated profiles that the community have developed produce even better quality than what is shown here. A lot of the reviews you're referring to were made 3 months ago. Things have improved. What is shown here reflects the largely untuned performance of the Plus4 out of the box. With tuning it gets even better. This is the benefit of the Qidi printers. They don't lock you into what the manufacturer provides for you, and the community around the Plus4 has embraced that, and many of the user prints frequently shown on the Qidi Community Discord server are absolutely flawless.
@@stew675 To jest pocieszające bardzo. To jest źle, że jeden Bambu przejmuje rynek. Zdrowa konkurencja jest bardzo dobra. Życzę powodzenia Qidi i działającego bez usterek zmieniacza filamentu, który wyprodukują na wiosnę.
I reported on my personal experience with both printers. Qidi Studio is what I used, not Qidi Slicer. I did point out problems with my Plus 4 as well as the issue with the SSR board. I think your suggested score is close to what I would choose.
Od dwóch miesięcy używam Qidi studio i Qidi plus 4. Śmiało można powiedzieć, że drukarka chodzi średnio 10-12h dziennie. Do tej pory miałem jeden problem z oprogramowaniem (ale to po części moja wina, bo trochę za bardzo namieszałem w profilach). Natomiast sama drukarka jest rewelacyjna, działa bez zarzutu, a jakość wydruku bardzo pozytywnie mnie zaskoczyła. Rozumiem miłość do Bambu, która jest prosta w obsłudze i bezproblemową drukarką, ale możesz podrzucić jakieś przykłady filmów gdzie Bambu wypada znacznie lepiej niż Qidi? Większość filmów które ja oglądałem pokazuje, że oprócz wspomnianych problemów z przekaźnikiem i ewentualnie zapychającą się dyszą (oba poprawione elementy Qidi wysyła za darmo). Te drukarki są bardzo porównywalne, a w wielu aspektach Qidi wygrywa. Dla mnie np. Ważna była możliwość drukowania większej ilości materiałów, dzięki wyższym temperaturom i grzałce a przede wszystkim większy obszar wydruku.
x1c is pretty obsolet right now, if you just want multicolor pla get a a1+ams or p1s, but I don't see a market for the x1c from a strictly rational perspective
The qidi machines are a write off after 1500 hours. The plastic moulded parts in them are a nylon glass fibre mix that disintegrates after a while. Replacing those parts will require you to have the skills to build a voron. Ask me how i know! . Get a bambu and don't worry.
Sorry, but this is bs. Have you ever checked the parts under the hood of your car? It's Polyamide ("Nylon") to a huge extent. Nylon is a high perfomarnce engineering thermoplastic material, so why should anything "desintegrate"? But I am pretty sure you are a specialist in material science and the material used by Bambu is the one and only that works.
@etwkoelle6487 because the parts in the original x max 3 had to much glass fibre mixed in with the nylon, meaning there was not enough nylon to bond the fibres together. Then they started to break and crack. So how about you calm down and get off your high horse buddy. Jesus, what a shill
@@jasonvanhek4749 "too much glass fibre" - again bs. Do you have any idea, how much GF content can be used in Polyamide? There are resins up to PA GF50, which by far is not used by QIDI. You are saying: "QIDI parts bad", but the explanation is technically bs.
I specifically said that QIDI Tech was catching up; not that they had caught up and were even with Bambu Lab. I also combined product features with product quality, which I think I could have done a better job explaining the differences between the two subjects. I also stated what QIDI's CEO said in his letter that Qidi needs to improve their robustness of their product testing before they launch their products.
Qidi plus 4 in many aspects is a better printer than bambu X1C. higher temperatures of the nozzle, build plate and chamber will let you print more engineering materials, bigger build volume, and lower price. Yes, qidi have quality control issues, but also much better support than Bambu Lab. I received the printer in the same time as new SSR board, I replaced it in 20min, treating it as a part of my initial setup and since taht time this printer works like a charm. I don’t have direct comparison with bambu lab print quality, but there is another youtube video made by 3DPrintSOS, with the conclusion that qidi is slightly better than bambu. Yes, bambu have AMS, if you need it, that’s a pros, but Qidi should have quite soon similar functionality as well.
Try to print ABS/ASA with a large scale. Or nylon PA6/PA12. And, finally, something close to PEEK. Compare then, I mean not only exterior but toughness test and so on. QIDI is for engineers, Bambu is for PLA/PETG and other homemade hobbies. Or something small made of ABS, not more. For instance, I print different technical items, I don't even think about Bambu - it is a toy for my purposes. But if I need some Nyear dragons for my kids - sure I'm gonna buy Bambu.
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Bought the Qidi Plus 4 3 months ago. No real complaints and enjoyed the larger plate size. Last month it printed a very large blob inside the cover.
While it was awaiting parts that was covered under the warranty I ordered the X1 Carbon. Gota say both are equal in quality both in construction and print quality I really enjoy the AMS enough that it's my fav. Though I read Qidi will have there AWS out Q1 of next year.
When dealing with Qidi service I simply told them the issue and they promptly responded with tracking number for all components to replace everything in the print head and all electronics and boards associated.
Thanks for sharing your experience with both printers. I also love my AMS and I agree with your other comments. Thanks for taking the time to provide your comments.
My plus 4 arrived today. Can't wait to try it out!
@@Dynamicelectrician I hope you really enjoy your Plus 4. Please let me how you make out.
Funny how just now printers are finally catching up to Bambus almost 3 year old model...
Really shows how far ahead they were
@@tek9058 You're still comparing it to an almost three year old model. Sure, they may be a bit ahead now, but think of what leap the next proper bambu model could be.
3 years and still marketing at 1099usd😂
were, they haven't released anything new/better than their 3 year old printer
@@NaveicationI think you're over estimating how 'revolutionary' Bambu was. They're solid printers but the most significant advancement IMO is a polished ecosystem that's friendly to less experienced users and a reliable multi-material system at a competitive price point. The rest is simply a well-tuned CoreXY printer in an enclosure running closed-source software. It can produce great prints out of the box but where they did have to trim costs makes it difficult to repair the inevitable issues that pop up after a year or two of heavy use.
As someone who has made custom printers, they're not interesting to me but I respect how they pushed the industry to step it up. I'm not a fan of forced data collection but my main concern is their popularity has led to other printers (like QIDI) also being assembled in ways that make long-term maintenance about as practical as repairing a big name ink-jet printer.
@@tek9058 Are you basing this on direct experience of a paid-for, off-the-shelf K2 plus? Or the golden samples that the influencers undoubtedly received, and their resulting videos *gushing* about how amazing it is?
Don't get me wrong; if the K2 plus is as good as I'd like it to be, I'll grab one. I just don't trust creality with new product launches.
The X1C came out in 2022 and bambu is set to release a new flagship in 2025. So it took everyone 2 and half years to catch up. Let’s see what bambu comes out with next.
I am interested to see what Bambu Lab launches during Q12025.
Couldn't care less about what iBambu does tbh.
@@chublez couldn’t care less what you think tbh 😄
@@storemerlose Obviously you did to reply lol
Bambu also costs 2.5x
2:00 Another reviewer who just released their video said they found this to be caused by thermal retraction due to excessive heat buildup for PLA material and by opening the door the issue went away. It's possible lowering chamber and bed temps would also resolve this issue.
I'm fairly certain that I had the door open for my PLA Benchy printing, but there is no harm in me running the print again just to be 100% certain. Thanks for the comment.
@ristinnovations for what it's worth, with top panel removed and door opened, my plus 4 had the same exact print issue on the same exact corner on benchy, and ive seen other reviewers with the exact same artifact. It's entirely possible given the widespread consistent results that it's a file issue in the pre loaded file? I didn't try loading a different benchy to print tho as my next print was the top lid standoff and it printed with zero artifacts and I just never thought about it again.
@@SweetLou0523Thanks for sharing your experience as well as your suggestions.
I too received the same error with the chamber heater fan issue. I replaced the fan with a higher quality fan and no issues so far.
Great content - liked and subbed.
That is interesting that you had the same problem. Thanks for your feedback and for subscribing; welcome to the family😊
I was looking for a new printer under Klipper. I choosed the Plus4 4 weeks ago. no regret, I love this printer !!!
I’m glad to hear that. Thanks for your comment
Just ordered the Qidi Plus 4, I understand that Bambu is the king by many, but the price point as well as the features that’s packing and all the updates only making it better or even its best competitor. Snatched it for about $740 shipped, can’t complain when I needed $1250 for just the x1c. Also them coming out with an AMS q1 of 2025 will make it a complete printer.
They will only get better from this point and on!
I hope you enjoy the Plus 4. Thanks for your comment.
May I ask where you purchased ? That price is best I've seen
@ 3dprintersdepot not sure if they still have that deal though.
I'll be honest with myself and others... I really only watched this video because I wanted you to tell me the Plus 4 is as good as I'd hoped. I'm definitely going after the QIDI Plus 4 now. I've been waging the internal psychological war with myself for a couple of weeks now over the expense. In the end it's just plain time for me to get a new printer to replace my ancient but very well used and heavily modified Robo 3D R1+. She's just plain old and tired and tech is SO much better now. The Plus 4 is far more advanced, faster, far more reliable, and has some capability advantages I'd really love to get my hands on. And the price is right. And I'll have a machine that can help me continue to grow my design skills with less holding me back. I haven't been this psyched about a nerd-purchase in quite some time. I'll be trying to get it by mid next week. 🙂
I think you will like the Plus 4. I feel it offers a lot of features for the price. Please let me know how you make out with the Plus 4. Thanks for your comment.
I'm a long time 3d printer, Makerbot replicator, CR10 heavily modded, various Prusa versions all with hundreds/thousands hours under my belt including the usual tweaking/tinkering/repairing. It came to the time I was due an upgrade last week. It was either a Prusa MK4 or higher. After watching your video and others I decided it was time to leave Prusa get into the "fire and forget" market. I went for the Bambu X1C and so far I'm blown away with it (other than the noise it produces👎🏼)
To prawda. Kupujesz X1 i drukujesz. Cieszysz się, że nie musisz niczego poprawiać.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the X1C, as well as your years of experience with other printers.
If you haven't realized yet, you can silence the X1
Forgot to mention the Plus 4 has 10mm screws vs X1c 8mm screws, and the Plus 4 comes with a network jack so you can hardwire instead of wifi.
Yes, those are good points. Thanks for your feedback
So, both models can go from 0 to 60 at roughly the same rate. Are parts under the hood equal? One has already been on the road a few years and still going strong. Personally, I prefer the higher quality machine, but perhaps technology is beyond that.
My observations are that both printers are built using a solid frame. Mechanically, they look similar to me. I'm not an expert in electronics, so I can't offer any input there. If I had to rate the two machines, I would still list the X1C on top, followed by the Plus 4. I'm not sure if I provided you with enough information to answer your question, but thank you for your question.
I have bought quite a few 3D printers over the last 11 years, the X1 Carbon Combo has given me much less downtime than other machines, that's not to say it hasn't had issues though, when I took the nozzle out to clean it the unit could not be replaced as one of the brass thermal inserts in the extruder popped proud and so stopping the replacement of the nozzle, my UK vendor had a replacement extruder in the post that very day and I received it next day, I have purchased many printers from this vendor, Technology Outle in the UK, they have the best customer service I have ever encountered and I was a customer service manager for an international company
The X1C produces very good quality prints and very quickly and at the time I bought it was the only super fast machine that was multi material and under £1500.
The Plus4 is half of what I spent with Bambu Lab, I was intending to purchase a second X1 Carbon or maybe a P1S, I was hoping for a new flagship model from Bambu by now, think this will now be soon though, I will hold out for now though, I could end up purchasing a Plus 4 machine.
Thank you for sharing your experience with the X1C. I have had a similar excellent experience my X1C. I’m also very interested in seeing what Bambu Lab will be launching during the first Quarter. Thank you for taking the time to provide your detailed comment.
This is not my first printer but is my first really good printer, i can launch a print direct from the memory or newly sliced an forgot to watch all the time if it's ok or not. great product and great service to. i really appreciate you compare video.
Which printer do you have?
How do both compare in noise?
I would say they are similar in noise when they are running. The Plus 4 has a noisier fan for the electronics that runs continuously, even when you aren't printing. Thanks for the question.
@@ristinnovations there an easy mod, as easy as editing the printer.cfg file, that allows you to reduce the noise of the mainboard fan when the printer is idle.
I have the qidi plus3 for some time and be very happy with it. But I dont know the Bambu
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Plus3.
I have had a multitude of 3D Printers in the last 11 years, I can say with certainty that the Bambu Lab X1C Combo is the best machine I have purchased, but I have probably said the same for many of my machines.
I have been thinking of buying a second one and a second AMS, however, I have been hoping that Bambu would release a larger machine with a toolchanger, a toolchanger would create a lot less wastage with multi colour and multi material prints.
The Qidi plus 3 was on my radar also when I decided it was time for one of the super fast machines, I think it was the AMS capability that made my decision.
LIDAR isn't used for spaghetti detection (it's only used for calibration and first layer inspection), the camera is.
Hi Steve, thanks for pointing that out.
Please double check the part of your video where the heater chamber is replaced!
You do not have to fully dismount the printer for replacing the chamber heater. It's fully sufficient to remove the two screws from the bottom side of the printer. The heater chamber can be demounted from the inside as it fits through the gantry elements, due to the side walls being a bit flexible. The procedure shown in the video takes one hour or more.
Please at least leave a remark in the video or the comment section that the heater chamber can be replaced differently!
Thank you!
I was following Qidi's video on the steps to replace the chamber heater. I did notice that the Qidi-produced video did not have the two screws in the bottom of the frame holding the chamber heater. There may be an easier way to replace the chamber heater now, but I documented how I did it by following Qidi's instructions. Thanks for your comment.
I watched a video yesterday showing that the Plus 4 only reaches 350, 360 if you set the temp from the touchscreen.
It depends on the firmware version. Pre-release versions with the older firmware limited the temperature. The release versions with release firmware do support 370C. The printer.cfg file even lists a maximum of 380C before Klipper will step in and shut the hotend down.
@stew675 oh thank you for that clarification! I wonder who will make the first 500° printer to the consumer market so we can actually use these Phaetus Dragons to the max?
@@stew675 Thank you for your reply
The biggest points that mean a lot to me are print quality, ease of use, and reliability. The equipment parts issue was a big turn-off with me. Replacing boards and fans is a definite no-go for me....unless shipping it back to them for the fixed doesn't cost me anything. Otherwise I'll stick with the one that has a better track record.
Thanks for your comment.
Just a heads up: Unless I missed somthing, Qidi power loss recovery is absolutely a lie. 31 hours into a 33 hour print and I had a power hiccup. Printer did indeed recover and had a prompt for power loss recovery. You could either press Continue, or Cancel. I pressed continue and it immediately went to re-home the axis with no on screen controls to prevent this from happening. The bed began moving back up to home position which drove the partial print on the build plate right into the extruder and it kept trying to lift until I yanked the power cord. It is absolutely baffeling to me how they advertize a power loss recovery feature and then program it in such a way that it eill either destroy the equipment or destroy the partial print. DO NOT DEPEND ON THIS FEATURE. Again, unless Im missing someting, this is absilutely not a functional feature and it would be wise to buy a good 1000w UPS to prevent power loss issues. I plan to try to manually replicate this condition again with non critical test prints to see if perhaps it was user error, but from what I can tell, there was only two options to pick and one of them was to cancel the print.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Plus 4 power loss experience.
Can we buy the SSR board and use it on another printer?
Are you referring to adding an actively heated chamber heater and fan to a non-Qidi printer or are you referring to something else?
@@ristinnovations yes sir. That's correct. But I've since gone to their website and found that they don't sell the boards to the public. It's only offered to those that purchased faulty printers.
I was going to make my own chamber heater for an older printer and hoped to just usje this board as a ready-made solution
Awesome break down
Thank you very much. I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Are you saying that new units are NOT being shipped with the upgraded SSR board? Or do you have a pre upgrade unit. I was thinking of buying this but I want it fixed from the factory.
@erich1159 Nie jest naprawione. Musisz to sam zrobić.
To jak w dżungli w Amazonii. Kup i sobie sam dawaj radę.
Nie podoba mi się to, bo ta drukarka nie kosztuje 200$
@erich1159 Currently, the Plus4 in the US already comes with the new SSR.
@@Kimberlie1 That is good to know. My contact at Qidi told me they were introducing the new SSR board into their production, but at the time they didn't know the status of inventory in the US warehouse(s). Thank you for the information.
The Qidi Plus 4 sounds like it would be a great replacement for my inoperable Ender printers
Please let me know if you decide to get a Plus 4 what your experience is. Thanks for your comment
@@ristinnovations I will. Thank you
I have heard some stories about Bambu labs customer service somewhat lacking. Does anyone have any experience with their support.
False rumors spread by Prusa Stans. Nobody that owns a Bambu needs customer support because the machines just work....
/s
@ Thank you for the reply.
According to my own experience, it takes a while to wait for Bambu to reply to tickets and send new parts. Qidi's after-sales response is faster.
@@Kimberlie1 Thank you.
resale value will be much higher with X1C
The plus 4 looks like a wine🍷cooler especially with the light on💡
lol, yes that’s true. Thanks for your comment.
6:45 I'm tired of people saying "maybe I need to fine-tune the parameters". When 3D printers just came out, that was understandable, sure, but when you're paying $1000+ for a printer 8 years later, there shouldn't be any "fine tuning". Do you need to "fine tune" your laser printer each time you load a new batch of paper? If I'm using a filament with RFID tag that the printer recognizes, it should JUST WORK! All the fine-tuning should've been done at the factory.
I understand your point of view, however many 3D printers only have “generic” material profiles instead of pre-loaded material profiles for every manufacturer’s filament so there are different parameter values for every manufacturer’s filament. 3D printers are heading in the direction you describe, but they are not there yet when compared to a standard paper printer. Thanks for sharing your point of view.
BTW that "under extruded" Benchy on the Qidi Plus 4 is probably the "3D Benchy" text in the stl model :)
Seeing as everyone including myself seems to have the exact same issue on the exact same corner, it's extremely likely we are all using the onboard file and there's some issue with the file. I could probably load a different than benchy but all of mu subsequent prints have been flawless so it didn't seem to be a priority.
Plus 4 has 55% more print volume, not 36% You must consider all three dimensions for volume.
I did take into consideration all three dimensions. I calculated the X1C volume to be 16,800 cubic cm and the Plus 4 to be 26,100 cubic cm; however I found an error in my calculations and you are correct; the Plus 4 has 55% more print volume. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
Influencers, influencing, the Influenced. I've yet to see any that come close to BLs build quality or stability for that matter🤞. For all practical purposes, a P1S is all that you need, that too without AMS. Larger build plate only makes sense for those few. Same with a chamber heater(except for the engineering grade materiala) or the gimmicky multicolor prints with AMS. If you are primarily into functional prints, you don't need an A1,A1 mini or a X1C or any clones, that are still catching up🤞.
How so? Not everyone has $1k+ to blow on a 3D printer and aside from the AMS, the Plus 4 is the better option for people not wanting to spend nearly double the price.
Chamber heater is super valuable for functional parts
Any plus4 bought now should have the fixes already applied.
Yes, that should be the case. I imagine Qidi can confirm with each person's order if the new SSR board has been installed.
once you try bambu...you'll never go back
I need a bigger build area. Qidi so far is a good large printer.
I don't agree with " they should test there stuff more .". they have rushed it to market to be the best value for money printer and consequently it has some issues ... but then the money they might have spent testing they spend or shipping parts out quick smart and actually building a pretty good reputation in service and support as long as people are posting positive media about the experience i think they have the balance right i think timing is really important .
I appreciate your point of view, however their CEO has stated that they need to do more testing before they launch a new product. When quality issues like the SSR board happen, it has a negative impact on a company’s reputation and it negatively impacts their sales. I think in QIDI’s recent case, they are trying to the right thing by all the things mentioned by their CEO. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
@@ristinnovations Yeh I think people will tolerate a few performance issues if the service is good but the SSR thing is a real safety thing really not ok to send to market way to much risk for everyone ..
Great video. Considering the P1S ( more similar to the Plus 4 than the X1C) and AMS are $799 it is a much better deal and is pretty much the same printer (no LIDAR). The advantages of the Plus 4 for the home hobbies really don't matter that much ..IMO. It amazes me how stupid engineers can be. Why on earth would you change the mains connection knowing you are sending out a consumer replaceable part, pure stupidity or lack of connection to reality. As far as support it looks like we have gone backwards with the Plus 4 a few years where Chinese prints had piss poor quality control. And my biggest complaint is china printers in general is the relying on us to do warrantee repair for free. I have no issue with repairing my printers once out of warrantee but to expect free labor to repair an in warrantee printer IMO is BS. Again great video and very informative.
Thanks for your frank and candid feedback
Bambu h2 looks interesting
Pokazujesz, że Qidi jest lepsza, albo przynajmniej taka sama jak Bambu.
Oglądając inne filmy na YT stwierdzam, że to nie jest prawda.
Dodatkowo program Qidi Slicer jest zepsuty.
On ma dużo problemów i to pokazują ludzie na innych filmach.
Dlaczego tego nie pokazałeś?
Bambu ma Bambu Studio i Maker World, działa bez potrzeby naprawiania w garażu i to właśnie zabija Qidi.
X1C =10 Plus 4 =8
The Plus4 uses Qidi Studio as stock, not Qidi Slicer (which was for their 3-series models). Plenty of people on the Qidi Discord using Qidi Studio as their everyday slicer with the Plus4 without issues.
While true that the first batch models of the Plus4 had some teething issues with profiles and earlier firmware versions, the newer firmware versions release by Qidi have resolved most of those issues, and updated profiles that the community have developed produce even better quality than what is shown here.
A lot of the reviews you're referring to were made 3 months ago. Things have improved. What is shown here reflects the largely untuned performance of the Plus4 out of the box. With tuning it gets even better. This is the benefit of the Qidi printers. They don't lock you into what the manufacturer provides for you, and the community around the Plus4 has embraced that, and many of the user prints frequently shown on the Qidi Community Discord server are absolutely flawless.
@@stew675 To jest pocieszające bardzo. To jest źle, że jeden Bambu przejmuje rynek.
Zdrowa konkurencja jest bardzo dobra.
Życzę powodzenia Qidi i działającego bez usterek zmieniacza filamentu, który wyprodukują na wiosnę.
I reported on my personal experience with both printers. Qidi Studio is what I used, not Qidi Slicer. I did point out problems with my Plus 4 as well as the issue with the SSR board. I think your suggested score is close to what I would choose.
Od dwóch miesięcy używam Qidi studio i Qidi plus 4. Śmiało można powiedzieć, że drukarka chodzi średnio 10-12h dziennie. Do tej pory miałem jeden problem z oprogramowaniem (ale to po części moja wina, bo trochę za bardzo namieszałem w profilach). Natomiast sama drukarka jest rewelacyjna, działa bez zarzutu, a jakość wydruku bardzo pozytywnie mnie zaskoczyła. Rozumiem miłość do Bambu, która jest prosta w obsłudze i bezproblemową drukarką, ale możesz podrzucić jakieś przykłady filmów gdzie Bambu wypada znacznie lepiej niż Qidi? Większość filmów które ja oglądałem pokazuje, że oprócz wspomnianych problemów z przekaźnikiem i ewentualnie zapychającą się dyszą (oba poprawione elementy Qidi wysyła za darmo). Te drukarki są bardzo porównywalne, a w wielu aspektach Qidi wygrywa. Dla mnie np. Ważna była możliwość drukowania większej ilości materiałów, dzięki wyższym temperaturom i grzałce a przede wszystkim większy obszar wydruku.
x1c is pretty obsolet right now, if you just want multicolor pla get a a1+ams or p1s, but I don't see a market for the x1c from a strictly rational perspective
The qidi machines are a write off after 1500 hours. The plastic moulded parts in them are a nylon glass fibre mix that disintegrates after a while. Replacing those parts will require you to have the skills to build a voron. Ask me how i know! . Get a bambu and don't worry.
Sorry, but this is bs. Have you ever checked the parts under the hood of your car? It's Polyamide ("Nylon") to a huge extent. Nylon is a high perfomarnce engineering thermoplastic material, so why should anything "desintegrate"?
But I am pretty sure you are a specialist in material science and the material used by Bambu is the one and only that works.
@etwkoelle6487 because the parts in the original x max 3 had to much glass fibre mixed in with the nylon, meaning there was not enough nylon to bond the fibres together. Then they started to break and crack. So how about you calm down and get off your high horse buddy. Jesus, what a shill
@@jasonvanhek4749 "too much glass fibre" - again bs. Do you have any idea, how much GF content can be used in Polyamide? There are resins up to PA GF50, which by far is not used by QIDI. You are saying: "QIDI parts bad", but the explanation is technically bs.
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Haha, after this video telling people that qidi had catched up at Bambu quality is just redicicolous.😂
I specifically said that QIDI Tech was catching up; not that they had caught up and were even with Bambu Lab. I also combined product features with product quality, which I think I could have done a better job explaining the differences between the two subjects. I also stated what QIDI's CEO said in his letter that Qidi needs to improve their robustness of their product testing before they launch their products.
Qidi plus 4 in many aspects is a better printer than bambu X1C. higher temperatures of the nozzle, build plate and chamber will let you print more engineering materials, bigger build volume, and lower price. Yes, qidi have quality control issues, but also much better support than Bambu Lab. I received the printer in the same time as new SSR board, I replaced it in 20min, treating it as a part of my initial setup and since taht time this printer works like a charm. I don’t have direct comparison with bambu lab print quality, but there is another youtube video made by 3DPrintSOS, with the conclusion that qidi is slightly better than bambu. Yes, bambu have AMS, if you need it, that’s a pros, but Qidi should have quite soon similar functionality as well.
Try to print ABS/ASA with a large scale. Or nylon PA6/PA12. And, finally, something close to PEEK. Compare then, I mean not only exterior but toughness test and so on.
QIDI is for engineers, Bambu is for PLA/PETG and other homemade hobbies. Or something small made of ABS, not more.
For instance, I print different technical items, I don't even think about Bambu - it is a toy for my purposes. But if I need some Nyear dragons for my kids - sure I'm gonna buy Bambu.
Does PCBway own all you 3D printer YT channels?
Hello (sir) how are you? I am a digital marketer. Recently I visited your youtube channel.Your video quality is good but you are not getting more views. I have sent you an email regarding this, have you