Guess The Rank, but in Trackmania
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You sort of pointed this out yourself, and it's hard to help what people submit, but I think the number of these which were WRs and/or on the submitters' own maps was a bit boring. I know people would want to show off achievements they're proud of, but it seems like more of a challenge to guess when the runs are more middle of the pack
totally true i was like " yeah they all good a the game were is the random subissions ! " D:
This ^ I think the wirtual team should probably filter out some replays before presenting him with the more interesting ones imo but otherwise the concept is really fun
User-submitted content always has this problem. Adam Neely (bass player and TH-camr) used to have a feature where he'd critique user submissions, but the level kept going up and up to the point where there was hardly anything to critique.
@@MarsoticsYes, he has editors to help with this. They need to filter it and create better content
I think to add to this, in chess guess the elo they guess a range “1500-1600”. Instead of guessing the exact position Wirtual could guess “Top 5” or “between 15th & 20th” might make chances of being right higher. The size of the range he could guess could also change based on number of players on the map. But yeah original suggestion is definitely right. More variety on runs, not just WRs and people driving their own maps.
I think it would be more interesting to guess how much time is lost to wr, the actual placing feels irrelevant
I think both are fun, but its true, it adds a lot.
I agree this is my thought as well
Oh, that sounds indeed like an interesting idea.
yes, I think that would improve this format.
I agree that the main thing is just getting more diversity in the submissions. Getting a middle of the pack or slower run would be fun to try to guess. I would also suggest finding a way to hide the names of the submissions until you lock in your guess and you have to commit once the name is revealed. Just in case it IS a div 1 player you would know.
Kinda pointless if everyone sends in their most cooked records.
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Yeah part of the fun of Guess The ELO are the games that start out okay and then both players just devolve into absolute disaster
@@ngwoo Best part is when he guess the elo in the opening then go NAH these guys can't be 1500 they play like 400's.
Sending in a best time isn't terrible. Sending in your WR run on your own map feels pretty silly.
@ngwoo great thing about guess the ELO is that it is about your ranking in chess as a whole, not in an individual game. You can win a game in style and be absolute garbage.
A few suggestions:
1. Make guesses based on ranges (WR; Top 5; Top 10%, 10-20%, 20-30%, 40-60%, 60-99.9%; worst record)
2. Diversity of vids to submit + include a weekly challenge map for everyone to play (and you can select a random replay to showcase)
3. Something at stake (e.g. play Anna in a blitz game; no pyramid talk for a week; make Buckley do a challenge)
Either way, I'll still watch.
The green timer was vital in this video!
original title: guess the rank, but in trackmania while sliding in mayonnaise
Guess how much mayonnaise it would take to cover the track
Guessing the placing has so many variables. Really hard to tell if it's the best line your first time seeing a map, or how hunted the map is... being able to gauge their skill level is barely a factor. It'd be more interesting maybe to guess divisions for cup of the day based on their PB (which I think you've done, or something similar)
If you ever do this again you should 100% have some form of a third party pick the replays for you, since most people are just gonna wanna show off their records or their maps on stream. If you have a third party select the replays not only do you get less of that but you'll also get more diverse times and ranks.
What makes guess the elo with Gotham fun is that people inevitably make mistakes and he can roast them for it. I think it would be more entertaining to have some mediocre runs in there as well. It feels repetitive when every run is good and all one can point out is "mmh it's a good run"
I liked the concept of guessing COTD div more
my inmediate idea is having it be TOTD and guessing their div based on pb instead of specific ranking. fun idea tho
also no brainer to make runs anonymous, surprised it wasnt done here tbh
I think wirt already did guess the div.
I think that having no WRs would make this a lot more of a challenge, and that a better way of "scoring" isn't by how many places off you are but how much time separates the place you guessed and the place it actually is - for really hunted maps, a small time difference could be loads of places
When I had send in something: "I guess he's still pretty new to it ... and is blind and deaf ... and controls the game with a toaster with his feet ..." 😂
While being electrocuted
@@shadowlord0162 Probably, as bad, as I am. 😅
I misread toaster on feet and i thought "who wants a foot toast?" 😅
@ 19:53
Bill: Damn kids! You don't shortcut my map! I shortcut my map!
Everyone: you show em bill 👍
I think it'd make more sense to try and guess how many seconds the run is away from world record than what place on the record board the run got. There are just too many variables in terms of who played the map and how many, etc..
Wirtual has tried this concept in a different format before, but it doesn't work in Trackmania. Chess is purely a matter of knowledge in a 1v1 setting. In Trackmania, you can grind a single track for hours and get a decent time, there is no universal "knowledge level" beside knowing a few tricks.
I disagree. You can grind how much you want, but you still need to understand and master game mechanics to get good. If you don't know how to speed drift for instance, you can grind all day and will never get a record on a fs map
Maybe you can ask for two replays: a WR (if they have one) and a non-WR on two different maps since viewer submissions are mostly WR and you can't avoid that people want to show their achievement.
You can guess which map has the higher placement or WR. Maybe limit maps to same map style?
you can change the format to WR or not WR, and if you wrong guess not WR, you have to hunt the map to get a WR and make your guess right post factum
For a second I thought I had Wirtual on a different tab when I saw Levi
you should guess the percentile, not the exact position imo. from 1 to 100. if map has 8700 finishers, if you guess 1st %, you essentially give yourself 87 spots. if there are 200 finishers, you give yourself 2 spots. also, WR should be seperate guess for sure.
I think this would work great if you'd have the submissions screened by someone else, to not include WR's on your own maps or only really great runs. Would bring more variety. Also like the idea of guessing how much they lose compared to WR
I think there should be a minimum number of players for each map submitted to be featured, such as 5k players. With maps that have 20-30 players, or even 100-200, there isn't much fun in trying to figure out what the guess is going to be. I like the suggestion other people have made about including the WR run and the submitted player run and having to guess with that as a reference. It doesn't appeal as much when we don't always understand whether something the submitted player does (goes wide in a turn, high on a wall ride, etc.) is supposed to be good or bad, since it can be very map dependent.
Time lost to WR looks more fun than actual placing and is not as dependant on number of players/where the map has been featured. But quite a fun concept, really enjoyed it!
I get why it happened but because you could have guessed top 5% for basically every run the challenge isn’t there.. “Reviewing my Subscribers runs” might have been a better title
Another idea could be to take replays from the official campaign tracks as those are known and with a lot of players.
Then maybe guessing for the medal or something like that :)
BUT really enjoyed the video :)
Format change suggestion: guess the place, watch that guesses replay to see if it is correct, if not, try again.
The more guesses you take, the more information you have to see where the submitted run looses time or stands in comparison.
Can we just appreciate the hard work green timer put in for this vid? Huge props.
"Boxplot - Human Again" is a great outro song I have to say! :)
The next time you do this you should make a "game" out of it. Create an HP bar for yourself that has 100 HP, and for every guess you lose the % you were off. For example if the player had a rank 20 run and you guess 30 and there were 100 total players on the map then you would lose 10% hp (30-20) / 100. The challenge is try to survive 10 guesses or something. Could also simplify it and just lose HP by total difference between guess and actual, but the mathy way normalizes it.
media offline outro goes crazy
Fun video. I prefered the replays where a random player was playing, mid of the pack. One or two WR contenders are nice, but having you analyze and guess on a random ass mid of the pack player is more fun.
I think you should have someone screen the submissions, so that you can filter out some of the runs. Gotham's content is really entertaining when there is a subversion of expectations, like a great-looking run that ends up low on the board (maybe because of a shortcut)
It would be fun to try and rank a random person on a campaign map instead of WR or top 100
Maybe make a list of maps for your viewers to hunt for a week or two, and at the end try to guess their records on them
11:40 After that lecture and checking the rank Wirt showed a WR - and admitted he is a fraud 😅 Turned out that in case of this specific map, these tips were totally wrong 😅
This isn’t a bad idea. I just think there’s too many factors to guess the rank accurately. Guess the ELO in chess works because you’re guessing a skill rating based on the individual. Factors like knowing if it’s TotD, a popular map, who the other top hunters of the track were, etc. I think it’s a bit unfair.
Nonetheless, I like that you’re trying new video ideas
A big downside of the current format, additional to the lack in diversity of submissions, are shortcuts. Essentially you could see the best run that's possible without cutting but you'd still be wrong since a shortcut would potentially reduce the times massively.
So I guess it would be nice if you'd also get the chance to explore the map for a few tries and compare to your own baseline. So basically give yourself e.g. 3 tries on the map, afterwards watch the run and then try to guess.
suggestion: guess second at best, so if it's WR you can boot up the map and get WR to put them in second and make your guess retroactively right
We need a Link documentary, there are so many good Link players
I know you compared this to Guess the Elo, but I just wanna say that I don't watch that series because it feels a bit too disrespectful pretty often. I think this video was completely fine in that aspect, so it was fun to watch
Click for sleep podcast here we gooo
Shortcutting own map is really funny
I think it would also be more fun if you compete against chat, so you would get the average vote from chat and see who is closer
Super fun idea! Hope the formula gets polished
May i suggest simply making your editors/mods pick the runs, that way they pick more bad/slow/middle of the pack type of runs so its more interesting
Get one of your editors or friends to pick things at random. Whilst it's nice for your viewers to get in the video, too many obvious WRs here as that's what people like to do, show off WR's.
If you're going to pick a top player make sure it's a highly contested map. In fact all the maps should be 10k+ players.
I mean lets suggest we chose Micka/Teuflum on an ice map, pick it on say one of Flink's competition maps and make it the challenge to get it exactly. I think they should also choose some of your maps like Midouri/Pyramidouri but choose something which seems difficult to guess.
I miss deep dip 2
In chess you need to guess a player performance against the familiar baseline
Here our boi need to also guess how good was a WR. With 2 variables it's hard to do so accurately.
I like the idea, but the implementation needs refining.
Wait... I remember that run on the olympics map. You showed that before.
Someone else said this too but if you do this again I think you should guess time difference to WR instead of placement
Why do i feel like i have watched this before, did i watch this stream live
maybe have some mods just submit random people's runs if that's possible its like the niche of niche for people to submit their own runs
Are there maps where the shortcuts are intended but not obvious I'd love to play a campaign like that
Cheeselover also known as the guy with the wirtual skin that one time
definitely would be better if some lower div people put their times in this because as fun as it is to watch people who are cracked at the maps they play it does get a bit boring and repetitive
Only allowing COTD runs and having to guess the division could be fun.
Next time you shouldn't guess their position on the leader board but how far from WR their time is. Due to the wild fluctuations of players for different maps it's really difficult to guess peoples positions, it would be more fun to guess their time compared to the WR.
LITHUANIA MENTIONED RAHHH🦅
Ok guys tell me, what did the green timer add to the video. Because let's be honest here you wouldn't have watched if it wasn't for the green timer
I liked this but i think it could be better. I think you should do a discovery run on each map, then guess how for from world record the runs you watch are.
Make it weekly, and put a set of maps you think would be interesting in each description. Then accept submissions on those maps and pick randomly. Maybe require at least two maps to prevent ego grinding one map?
I think analyzing the replays and not trying to guess them would be much more fun, comparing them to WR and all that is much more interesting then you saying numbers and missing 90% of the time
sigma sigma on the wall
Maybe use replays from cup of the day qualification and try to guess division next time. This way you gonna know that somebody spent around 15 minutes playing.
Looking forward to deep dip 2 baby
Hahaha, great idea. I want to submit my records, sounds very fun.
Imagine all of them are world record and drive writual insane
if you want more submissions, advertise it on ur channel and give an easy link/way to do it in the description
I think it would be more fun n make more sense to guess the players worldwide rank.
So maybe watch 3v3's and guess their 3v3 rank, or in a cotd, etc.. cus not everyone plays every map but almost everyone participates in these so it's more consistent and actually mimics the gothamchess elo guessing.
Or Nadeo campaign actually, cus that has the most players
How about if people send you the replay of their qualifying-time for the TOTD and you have to guess their Div. You'll have to not play it though to not get spoiled.
nice video
maybe someone could screen the clips before, because now it was a lot of people just flexing with their wr
it would be more entertaining for both sides, if they are more like middle of the field
Guess the elo is back!!!
please continue this
chat the timer is pointless 😭😭😭
I’d love to see more of this but everyone sending in replays needs to stop trying to flex and actually send in some hard to guess middle ranked ones
It is more guess the map than guess the rank in the first two 😀
Yesh do more of these
Do a "WR or NOT!", I think it would be easier.
How is it possible that no one handed in a replay of one of the midoris?
Add some kind of scoring system to these videos and make it a game.
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Do it on official season maps, that'd good to
maybe do world record or not. you have to guess if it's world record or how much time is lost to WR
i think it would be better to guess the delta to WR time
cool concept but doesnt work when everyone submits their wr. Would be cooler if you would guess how many hours people had in the game.
Love this idea!!!
w is for wirtual
Guess the div by the final race?
I really would love to see more not top players if you try this again
nice outro
I was just abt to go to sleep 😭
I guess 1 above what you said for the first three lol 36,2,2
How do we submit these?
I proud about how fast I was
Maybe next time say campaign maps only
20:35 Media Offline LETS FUCKING GO!!!!
hello wirtual !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Too much glazing bro we wanna see you be critical
Balls😎