@@CatPartyNYC It's a combination of donation decklists taking the priority of my content and D&T not being particularly good or fun to play currently. I've got a donation for taxes, so a new D&T stream will be hitting the channel sometime this week or the beginning of next week.
There's nothing more instructive than a high-level player teaching the deck they specialise in to another high-level player. I love these types of videos.
Turns out I'm a more competent D&T player than I realized. I found myself agreeing with a lot of the choices in these matchups. It was very valuable to hear 2 very high level players talking through lines, and definitely has me reinvigorated to play some Legacy again, especially in a post-oko world
FYI, at 27:40 when you thought you made a mistake by not porting your opponent's Plains in your upkeep, you can still port the Plains in your main phase and get the same effect. They're forced to cast the Swords to Plowshares in your precombat main phase, after which you'll get priority in your main phase again before combat and you're able to equip the Sword to the Stoneforge.
@@BoshNRoll Yup, that is a fair point. I think it's unlikely that the Stoneforge gets StP'd over the Flickerwisp in that situation, but it's a reasonable consideration.
@@akalethmtg I just meant this turn. I equip Wisp, start to move to combat, they Plow with floating mana, I make my land drop and re-equip SFM to attack then I don't have 2 mana plus untapped SFM that turn. If they have the plow there it costs me 4 mana to play around it instead of 2. I still get my sword attack in, it's just suboptimal.
@@BoshNRoll @BoshNRoll Right, yeah, I understand what you mean. My point is that, if they do have a StP in hand, spending that two Mana on putting in Batterskull, while also connecting with the sword, will only really happen if you port them in your upkeep step *and* they choose to StP the Stoneforge, not the Flickerwisp. Just to be clear, I totally agree that porting them in your upkeep (better yet draw step) is better than doing it in the main phase, I just think that you should still do it in the main phase if you miss the upkeep/draw window, and I wasn't sure if you missed it in the moment or chose not to.
45:50 Is there a merit to tapping the misty rainforest? This forces them to use it or be vulnerable to wasteland. And if they do, they lose a shuffle and the ability to get a different mana then U/G or be able to get got with Wasteland again.
I think in that spot denying them an actual guaranteed mana is more important. There are spots where tapping Misty makes sense, but they were already constricted and they're frequently just 1 mana away from doing what they want.
Loved this collab! Especially helpful to a new D&T player. Gotta love Phil's enthusiasm for the deck - it's what got me playing D&T in the first place!
Can someone explain to me what happens at 40:41? Is the opponent responding to the Astrolabe's own ETB effect by plowing the SotL so he can draw a card? Can an activated ability of a permanent be used to respond to that same permanent's ETB efffect? If so, I had no idea!
Yup! Exactly. Every spell and effect in Magic uses the stack. You play Astrolabe, its draw triggered ability goes on the stack, Astrolabe is currently in play so you can use it for mana, cast your Plow, then the draw resolves. It was a super cool play!
@@BoshNRoll Thanks! I always thought the ETB ability had to resolve before the activated abilities of the permanent could be used. I learn new things about this game every day.
@@kovala Yup! The ability has to be an instant-speed ability to work like that. If a Planeswalker entering the battlefield causes a trigger, you can't activate the planeswalker in response (PW abilities are sorcery speed). Or if a creature has summoning sickness that won't work. But artifacts don't have summoning sickness, so there was a sweet line there. Normally it doesn't matter, but there are some cool tricks out there if you know where to look for them. :)
nice video, question: at 47:10, any thoughts on wasting their misty in your endstep? the can fetch in response but u take a way the brainstorm shuffle and maybe they do not have a basic left? + you have enough lands, or they find a nonbasic to waste again
If I remember correctly, Phil said something this game about wasting the Misty in response if they cast a cantrip to deny the shuffle. I don't think we talked about proactively wasting it. Phil seemed to err on the side of maintaining as much of our own mana as possible in a few spots that I probably would have been more aggressive.
It gives minor insulation against cards like Predict, it cuts their hits to draw 2 cards in half. It's one of those tiny edges that barely matters, but it's free to do so you might as well. Like playing 1 Llanowar Elf and one Fyndhorn Elf in Elves.
Not sure what spot this was in, it's a long video. Timestamps help me look at specific situations. There might be a reason, might have just brain farted. I'd have to see it again to be sure.
Opponent had Blood Sun out after the first bounce, which removes all non-mana abilities from lands. The first bounce worked, but after the Blood Sun, Karakas was a Legendary Plains.
You're right. I just looked at it and this video was released before I knew how to manage the ads, it was still doing the youtube defaults. I changed it. Thanks for pointing it out.
Hey, I'm in this video! This league was a blast and I'm looking forward to seeing you play with Bryant later!
Hey people reading the comments, this is THE Phil. Go sub to his channel. :)
@@BoshNRoll well after all, I watched most legacy content on his channel, after gucci's legacy veedios :D
How is mr prison different in play style?
How come there isn't much Legacy Taxes content on Thraben U's page?
@@CatPartyNYC It's a combination of donation decklists taking the priority of my content and D&T not being particularly good or fun to play currently. I've got a donation for taxes, so a new D&T stream will be hitting the channel sometime this week or the beginning of next week.
There's nothing more instructive than a high-level player teaching the deck they specialise in to another high-level player. I love these types of videos.
Glad you enjoyed it. I'm recording The EPIC Storm with Bryant Cook tonight, it will be released next week. :)
How you only have just over 2.1k subs is beyond me, your content is A+ man, love the vids, keep it up!
Gotta get the algorithm on my side! Likes and comments help with that, so thanks!
“The anemic and sad 3/1 desperation play” why we love Phil
Turns out I'm a more competent D&T player than I realized. I found myself agreeing with a lot of the choices in these matchups. It was very valuable to hear 2 very high level players talking through lines, and definitely has me reinvigorated to play some Legacy again, especially in a post-oko world
Love your content, glad the youtube algorithm delivered your channel to me
Glad to have you! Thanks for sticking around.
Guys, please do another league, it was awesome. Learned a lot!!
FYI, at 27:40 when you thought you made a mistake by not porting your opponent's Plains in your upkeep, you can still port the Plains in your main phase and get the same effect. They're forced to cast the Swords to Plowshares in your precombat main phase, after which you'll get priority in your main phase again before combat and you're able to equip the Sword to the Stoneforge.
Sure. With my land drop I can still make sure Sword connects, I just risk losing the ability to Batterskull by missing it in the upkeep.
@@BoshNRoll Yup, that is a fair point. I think it's unlikely that the Stoneforge gets StP'd over the Flickerwisp in that situation, but it's a reasonable consideration.
@@akalethmtg I just meant this turn. I equip Wisp, start to move to combat, they Plow with floating mana, I make my land drop and re-equip SFM to attack then I don't have 2 mana plus untapped SFM that turn. If they have the plow there it costs me 4 mana to play around it instead of 2. I still get my sword attack in, it's just suboptimal.
@@BoshNRoll @BoshNRoll Right, yeah, I understand what you mean. My point is that, if they do have a StP in hand, spending that two Mana on putting in Batterskull, while also connecting with the sword, will only really happen if you port them in your upkeep step *and* they choose to StP the Stoneforge, not the Flickerwisp. Just to be clear, I totally agree that porting them in your upkeep (better yet draw step) is better than doing it in the main phase, I just think that you should still do it in the main phase if you miss the upkeep/draw window, and I wasn't sure if you missed it in the moment or chose not to.
the two dudes who got me into legacy sittin down and doing the taxes thing. noice.
Really well produced video. Informative & enjoyable through and through.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. I hope you stick around for more. :)
45:50 Is there a merit to tapping the misty rainforest? This forces them to use it or be vulnerable to wasteland. And if they do, they lose a shuffle and the ability to get a different mana then U/G or be able to get got with Wasteland again.
I think in that spot denying them an actual guaranteed mana is more important. There are spots where tapping Misty makes sense, but they were already constricted and they're frequently just 1 mana away from doing what they want.
This was great! Getting to see voltron germ in the very last game made watching the slog of a match vs snow worth it
I'm glad you stuck it out. That was great!
I learned a lot. Great video! Thanks!
Loved this collab! Especially helpful to a new D&T player. Gotta love Phil's enthusiasm for the deck - it's what got me playing D&T in the first place!
Phil is great and Thraben University is a beacon of what deck dedication can look like.
Can someone explain to me what happens at 40:41? Is the opponent responding to the Astrolabe's own ETB effect by plowing the SotL so he can draw a card? Can an activated ability of a permanent be used to respond to that same permanent's ETB efffect? If so, I had no idea!
Yup! Exactly. Every spell and effect in Magic uses the stack. You play Astrolabe, its draw triggered ability goes on the stack, Astrolabe is currently in play so you can use it for mana, cast your Plow, then the draw resolves. It was a super cool play!
@@BoshNRoll Thanks! I always thought the ETB ability had to resolve before the activated abilities of the permanent could be used. I learn new things about this game every day.
@@kovala Yup!
The ability has to be an instant-speed ability to work like that. If a Planeswalker entering the battlefield causes a trigger, you can't activate the planeswalker in response (PW abilities are sorcery speed). Or if a creature has summoning sickness that won't work. But artifacts don't have summoning sickness, so there was a sweet line there.
Normally it doesn't matter, but there are some cool tricks out there if you know where to look for them. :)
nice video, question: at 47:10, any thoughts on wasting their misty in your endstep? the can fetch in response but u take a way the brainstorm shuffle and maybe they do not have a basic left? + you have enough lands, or they find a nonbasic to waste again
If I remember correctly, Phil said something this game about wasting the Misty in response if they cast a cantrip to deny the shuffle. I don't think we talked about proactively wasting it. Phil seemed to err on the side of maintaining as much of our own mana as possible in a few spots that I probably would have been more aggressive.
The goblin match was amazing
I listened to Zabel.
that goblins matchup makes me wonder how many cards are actually different between legacy goblins and historic goblins? (at least in game 1)
It's pretty close.
This is like the Marvel project. Chapeau!
Is the point of the snow land to just mess with the opponents head?
There are cards that care about card names, like Predict. Splitting the two is free to do and has minor play value, so you might as well.
I like this deck but does it often lose to Elves, Goblins and Maverick?
Elves and Goblins are bad matchups. I don't have a ton of experience on either side, but I've been told Maverick is a great matchup.
Karakas Krenko. Would have made that G3 of Gobs much easier :)
Why 7 Basic Plains and 7 Snow-Covered Plains? Style?
It gives minor insulation against cards like Predict, it cuts their hits to draw 2 cards in half. It's one of those tiny edges that barely matters, but it's free to do so you might as well. Like playing 1 Llanowar Elf and one Fyndhorn Elf in Elves.
Keep those Wake of Destruction decks in check!
@@zalakke GOTTEM. Turns out there's a number of cards in Magic's history that care about card names.
It's for when they gifts ungiven with hive mind out. Gotta eke out that %
If an opponent with Oko trades their Ice-Fang for one of your creatures, you also have the ability to now give it deathtouch
Is there a reason you're not bouncing Krenko every end step?
Not sure what spot this was in, it's a long video. Timestamps help me look at specific situations. There might be a reason, might have just brain farted. I'd have to see it again to be sure.
Opponent had Blood Sun out after the first bounce, which removes all non-mana abilities from lands. The first bounce worked, but after the Blood Sun, Karakas was a Legendary Plains.
@@compubabble That would explain it. :)
Not offen seen so much advertisement in 1 video 👎
You're right. I just looked at it and this video was released before I knew how to manage the ads, it was still doing the youtube defaults. I changed it. Thanks for pointing it out.