@@Cultwatch123 In a developed country, women have more rights than men. She would get away with it too. That is the price men have to pay for their past arrogance. May religious arrogance go that way too.
Don't believe what these guys in this video are saying. They're carefully crafting a narrative to present a certain image. It's not new, the Greek historian Theophanes, was the first to make such an assertion, which lead to this orientalist view that we see today. One of the main criticisms of the assertion, which we see in this video, are badly translated hadith and aspects of hadith narrations that are disputed by other narrations or hadith scholars. To approach hadith without training is very dangerous, and often leads to disbelief, as we see with these two commentators in the video. Also, my brother has epilepsy, I've been working with him for years, and I can safely say that these guys either don't know much about epilepsy and seizures, or are being disingenuous in their analysis. Another point of contention is that there are some similar physical effects in having a seizure and having certain brain regions activated more highly, such as during meditation or when taking certain psychedelics. But the latter would not be categorized as epilepsy. English historian Edward Gibbon rejected the harsh statements of Theophanes and his Greek supporters stating, “His epileptic fits, an absurd calumny of the Greeks, would be an object of pity rather than abhorrence” [7]. Thomas Carlyle similarly rejected such claims, presenting The Prophet as a hero and stating that, “The lies, which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man, are disgraceful to ourselves only.” [8]. William Montgomery Watt also contradicted these claims, stating the following: On some occasions at least, there were some physical accompaniments. He would be gripped by a feeling of pain, and in his ears, there would be a noise like the reverberation of a bell. Even on a very cold day the bystanders would see great pearls of sweat on his forehead as the revelation descended upon him. Such accounts led some Western critics to suggest that he had epilepsy, but there are no real grounds for such a view. Epilepsy leads to physical and mental degeneration, and there are no signs of that in Muhammad; on the contrary, he was in full possession of his faculties to the very end of life. W.W. Montgomery: Muhammad: prophet and statesman - Oxford University Press, London (1961), pp. 11-12 There is no mention of epilepsy by famous Arab historians like Tabari [16], Ibn Ishaq [17], or Ibn Sa’d [19] nor have they used words like fits, epilepsy, epileptic, falling sickness, or sara'a in their chapters on the life of The Prophet1. It would also be onerous to assume that Arabia had no physicians during The Prophet's1 era and as a result, his epilepsy went unnoticed. Freemon upholds this by stating that “Arab physicians were familiar with the manifestations of epilepsy and none of his contemporary opponents have mentioned this possibility” [1]. Epilepsy was known among Arabs as "sara'a", a term still in use. An example is a Hadith, given below, that describes a person with epilepsy coming to The Prophet1, supporting that epilepsy was common knowledge at the time. Ibn Abbas said to me, “Shall I show you a woman of the people of Paradise?” I said, “Yes.” He said, “This black lady came to the Prophet and said, ‘I get attacks of epilepsy and my body becomes uncovered; please invoke Allah for me.’ The Prophet said (to her), ‘If you wish, be patient and you will have (enter) Paradise; and if you wish, I will invoke Allah to cure you.’ She said, ‘I will remain patient,’ and added, ‘but I become uncovered, so please invoke Allah for me that I may not become uncovered.’ So he invoked Allah for her.” [22] Epileptic attacks are stereotyped, lasting from a few seconds to 2-3 min. Epileptic visual hallucinations are mostly ill-formed, lasting for a split-second, without sound, verbal content or two-way communication...Auditory hallucinations are machine-like, buzzing or whistling sounds without verbal content. There is nearly total amnesia of all ictal events in epilepsy; except in aura in which there may be full or partial retention of memory. These events are usually followed by varying periods of sleep and/or blunted mentation, which distorts memory and its context; hence, events recounted during or after the events, if any, are unreliable. On the other hand, the Prophet's experiences were completely lucid, there was no amnesia as he states that he would memorize everything be told to him or observed. What the orientalists and historians labeled as epilepsy, consciously or because of lack of understanding, were in fact signs and symptoms of discomfort endured by The Prophet1 during divine to human transfer of revelations and not epilepsy. For instance, in the video, the person says "trembling" on account of fear was a tonic clonic seizure, but to derive such a conclusion from such a basic and general description demonstrates not just a clear bias but disingenuousness. There's obviously a clear agenda. The sound of bees, he says, is likely from the jittering of teeth, but that cannot be derived at all from the text of the narrations. He mentions a narration where the Prophet's eyes were closed and he was foaming from the mouth. When you have an epileptic attack, your eyes are certainly not closed. During those states, your entire body stiffens as all of the body's neurons end up firing at once. It should also be noted that there are some experiences contained in the hadith that were experienced by other people, such as the sudden increase in pressure or the sound of vibrations/bees. The closest description of an actual epileptic attack would have been the hadith where it describes foaming from the mouth and the snorting sound. But the hadith doesn't actually mention the foaming of the mouth in Arabic, the phrase actually says that the color of his face would change. Overall though, the reception of revelation was understood to be a very immense and heavy experience, why would it not be? It is the instantiation of universal knowledge onto the level of the particular, like conducting a massive data dump (to use a poor analogy). It is the transmutation of the metaphysical into the physical. There is discomfort in that, and people are confusing some of the symptoms of discomfort with epilepsy. There is a hadith that states: When Allah speaks to send the revelation, the inhabitants of the heavens hear the clanging of a bell from the heaven above it, and it is like pulling a chain on the mountain of al-Safa. The sound is so loud and powerful that even the angels faint. When the angel Gabriel appears, they ask him what Allah said, and Gabriel responds "The Truth, the Truth." Surah an-Nam is over 20 pages long, and it came to him in one event while riding on a camel. The length of time that this took goes well beyond the length of time of an epileptic attack, which lasts for a few minutes maximum. The narrations describe how, after the revelatory event, he would speak smoothly, eloquently, and beautifully. An epileptic attack is characterized by amnesia and confusion, and an inability to move one's body due to extreme levels of muscular soreness. None of these described the revelatory events. Some sources: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1525505019310844#:~:text=The%20Prophet%20of%20Islam%20is,that%20has%20continued%20to%20date. yaqeeninstitute.ca/omar-suleiman/when-he-would-receive-revelation-meeting-muhammad-episode-22
Brother, we all go through this. I ,myself, was a raised in a Christian; but as I searched for truth, and couldn’t ignore reason, I was forced to confront the reality of it. It’s uncomfortable and downright depressing at first but in time you learn to accept life for what it is -a gift that we shouldn’t let go to waste (especially not to some lying psychopath who dreams of controlling us all).
Is this how god, who is perfect in his holiness and majesty would give his direct word to his most favourite prophet? by putting him in pain to the point where he would feel as though he is dying.?
Nope, the closest to that would be Paul when stoppedby Jesus on the road to Damascus, and even that is not comparable (Paul never again had any similar spectacular apparision, when instructed later by Jesus, no details are given).
Snoring like a camel? This condition can only be cured by milk, fresh warm camel milk. Of course, never forget the magical golden liquid called camel urine to blend in. With the right hand, stereng alwways to the right site ;)
F.Burleigh's book on Mohammed also states this fact about epilepsy. And most probably, he got it from his mother through genetic transfer. His mother also had similar epileptic seizures.
I wanna share my stories, so I’m an 18 years old ex-muslim from Indonesia and I’m living among a hardcore fanatic sunni muslim family (people sometimes refer it as wahhabi) and I just couldn’t take it anymore, I was told to do the 5 daily prayer and sunnah prayer (I was even told to be the imam), read qur’an (especially surah kahf during friday), and my father would be very very mad at me if I didn’t do these religious activities and I felt really mentally abused by my family. All this time I was only pretending to be a devout muslim to avoid conflict with my family, but I just couldn’t take it anymore, any suggestion guys ? I really need help, but I don’t know where to look for. Thanks.
Your case is much like most young Muslims. One way to solve the issue is to learn so much about Islam that you can explain small but significant inconsistencies in religious practices. Be more religious than your parents, to the extent where they cannot doubt your piety. With age your thoughts will gain credibility. Just reamind them every now and then that Islam is not a religion of difficulty, you should not find being a Muslim difficult. It is also very important for Muslims to be scholarly, to study everything not just a single book. You can try to live as a good moral being, and a moderate Muslim. Work on attaining a good job in society, and escape the parents home by earning your independence, do not marry before you have your own house, rental or otherwise. Then, you will live the way you see fit whilst keeping up appearances when you need to. If you think your parents respect you enough to listen to you, you can formulate your position write a letter explaining your life decisions. At this stage you should thank them for raising you with a good moral, thank them for feeding and housing you and so on... You will show them that you value them, but you do not share their faith. You love them but haven't found a read on to love God and so on... Be gentle, and give them time. If you are lucky, your parents will still accept you, if not, you will be free but would have lost your parents and possibly your family, friends and community. It is your choice to answe the question of whether it is worth it or not. I personally don't have any issues living as a Muslim. I think Islam, at least in my culture, is more than just stories. For 1600 years Islam has evolved and adapted to become a rich and varied library. It is not the words on the page that make the book wise, but the wise reader who imposes wisdom into the words. It's not perfect, nothing is but boy is it easier to destroy than it is to create. My advice good friend is hold on to family whilst you have them, it is the strongest bond you have to society. But for God's sake be a moral, just and honerable man. For we need these qualities in our young population now more than ever. In the end, this is your test alone... A test of Faith... in yourself.
12:48 I think Umar and Abu Bakr were the real power players in Muhammed's army and state. They kept Muhammed on as a tool. One can see this in how they treat him and ply him with pleasures as if to placate him, and yet how he is killed off by poison when he no longer is necessary, and how Ali (Muhammed's choice for successor) was easily bypassed without civil war in the army. The real authority was Abu Bakr and Umar.
I bear witness that there is no one worthy of worship except Allah and that Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam is His Servant and final messenger.
Probably more relevant was whether or not he was a psychopath - because there are traces of it all over Islam, including the name of the religion. Psychopaths have a lot of notable characteristics: the ability to lie unflinchingly, the view that all relationships are vertically oriented: one is the top dog, one is the underdog, and it is vitally important that they think of themselves as top dog, the need for people to be underneath them. If he was a psychopath Mohammed would have craved status. Unfortunately he was an orthodox in a kin base vengence law society - as a result he was near the bottom of society; he was forced to marry a women 15years older than him. In 6th century central Arabia there were three ways to achieve notable status: to be a leader of a clan, a custodian of a religious sect, or poet (in pre-literate societies this was an important way to remember & transmit thought). Mohammed's gambit was to combined all three - making himself a head of a clan based upon religion based that relied upon poetics. He scrounged enough status by the time of his wife's death so as to marry a 6 year old as an obvious reaction to the humiliation his marriage to his first wife imposed upon him. The important thing to him was that Islam meant submission to him. If he was a psychopath, that is what he would have craved. The reason he appears to have been a psychopath is that he committed genocide in a rather deliberate fashion with his child bride at his side. .
@What i want? whoa whoa dude, wait, you mean that all non believers go to hell is rational ? Do you agree that non muslims are the worst of Allah's creation ? Or do you believe that having sex with a female slave is a totally moral thing to do ? All of this is in the quran and hadith, so i encourage you to actually read the book thoroughly
@HA hello HA. the full explanation is: muhammad was a psychopath who had epileptic fits which he was told was a message from god and he was happy to believe in his personal greatness. but muhammad the praised one is probably a title his conspirators came up with to avoid mentioning quthab was low man on the social totem pole as an orphan. who was used by the rich tribes around mecca to head up a new religion with themselves as viziers to a priest king. th-cam.com/video/A8au1Py1I3g/w-d-xo.html
Very interesting. The congruencies with epilepsy tends to lend credence with Mohammed being a historical personage. An extremely messed up person but an actual historical personage. Why else would these consistencies exist?
Mohammed as a person almost certainly did exist ! There is too many details of his life, his battles , his family and "teachings" for even the fertile imagination of early muslims to "cook up" !
I am surprised at the way things are shaping up for Islam and its founder. I remember the turmoil that erupted in the days when a Norwegian journal/ daily published a picture of Mohamed. An inadvertent publication of the picture of Mohamed by a leading news paper of south india(now championing the cause of of muslims after the marriage of the editor of the paper with a Muslim woman .it is also widely rumoured the editors conversion to Islam has been kept under wraps). Now ex Muslims are tearing Islam and its founder into pieces that even 1 billion Zakir naik cannot stop the exodus from the religion.
@ r. chandrashekaran srihkanth, 10 years back there was hardly any info on quran, now with quran, hadiths explained, analysed by scores of experts on quran, hadiths , which are all available on social media, every one ,including mohammadans have learnt to accept that the profart mo was not really perfect , even to the extent that he was a not a good man.
In extreme cases of 'delusions of grandeur" people believe themselves to be God . Thank God, Mohammed wasn't that extreme and had only delusions of being a prophet !
So how come no other psychopath, or mentally I’ll was able to create a religion and such strong followers ??? I have bipolar and I wasn’t nearly as close to as influential as him , so you are wrong and liers, Muhammad saw was real messenger and Quran is a miracle
Narrated Jundub bin Sufyan: Once Allah’s Apostle became sick and could not offer his night prayer (Tahajjud) for two or three nights. Then a lady (the wife of Abu Lahab) came and said, “O Muhammad! I think that your Satan has forsaken you, for I have not seen him with you for two or three nights!” On that Allah revealed: ‘By the fore-noon, and by the night when it darkens, your Lord (O Muhammad) has neither forsaken you, nor hated you.’ (93.1-3) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 475)
@@pepejulianonziema69 roman 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. act 4:10-13 act 4:10-12 let it be known to all of you, and to all the people of Israel, that this man is standing before you in good health by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth,[d] whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead. 11 This Jesus[e] is ‘the stone that was rejected by you, the builders; it has become the cornerstone.’[f] 12 There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among mortals by which we must be saved.” john 10:9 All who came before Me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture
@Yandex yragnitup eternal hellfire was invented by catholics in the 3 rd century all the places in the bible where you see written "eternal" along with hell is a grec word that means for a period of time . hell is basically a place where you suffer from the sins you committed on earth (thoughts of hatred for exemple) until you get purified and can go to heaven where no sin can enter .
Few simple questions... 1) Why were there absolutely no records of him having seizures before he received the divine revelations aged 40? 2) Why did Mohammed never produce any poetry before he turned 40? You don't suddenly decide to start doing these things aged 40. Sorry your accusations are baseless.
This whole video has already been debunked by a neurologist backed by historical and scientifical facts, Gondal misinterpreted hadith, and translation, nor does he have knowledge on the science of the brain and epilepsy, check the video on Farid Responds's channel.
It sounds like a man who felt some amateur dramatics was necessary in order to persuade himself and those around him something supernatural was happening. It's interesting to note most 'revelations' are responses to his critics or to indulge his desires. There is nothing in the writings that can't be found initially elsewhere or of any significance beyond Muhammad's life.
I feel so bad... I decided to learn about education and learning, then practice and do by myself. I don’t want to be a hypocrite person who just criticize bad things but do bad things or do nothing good.
Prophet Muhammad PBUH was called crazy so many times that he himself started to think he was crazy. This is proof that he isn’t crazy because a crazy person will never think that he is crazy.
So he Muhammad PBUH had “medical” like revelations only to produce an arabic speech that could NOT be compared to or mimic and his speech to be the best of arabic speech.. lol if you’re a hater because of family issues of being hardcore take that up with your folks… not the teacher smh 🤦🏽♂️
Strange. Some christians the so called charismatic ones actually shake, tremble, lips quiver, act like drunkards, receive visions or revelations at their prayer meetings. They called it the infilling of the holy spirit. Surprised Mo had trembling, fainting and acted like a drunkard.
Looks like that if modern (Western) Doctors were to examine Prophet Mo's body, they would find several deformaties. He was very far from a deity, as has been shown from his colourful love life. "The most perfect man that ever lived"? Very far from it.
@@theokrisna By a verified neurologist, with scientific and historical factual backing, unlike this guy who misinterpreted translation, the hadith and doesn't know anything about epilepsy. You guys just follow it blindly.
A non-medical practitioner (edit: ex-Muslim activist) trying to diagnose a man (edit: Prophet Muhammad, founder of Islam) who lived 1400 years ago, based on transmitted oral reports (rumours of the he said that he said variety) in another language, collected a couple of centuries after his death and making a definitive, clear-cut, unambiguous diagnosis of a psychotic illness that is actually quite difficult to diagnose and never happens in just one visit to a trained modern professional in a modern hospital/clinic ... I'm sure intelligent people can see this for what it is.
@Qui Creva Sp Not very original. And no consistency. So he was also the greatest historian and researcher of the ancient world? Able to gather and research "dozens" of even more ancient sources, from Greek, Syriac, Hebrew, Nabatian, etc taking them all and selecting subjects ranging from science to theology to history to folklore, etc, all from different languages and cultures, and translating and "plagiarizing" them all into a new Arabic text, the first of its kind, and doing all of this from Mecca in the middle of nowhere in the Arabian desert as an unschooled Arab man ... and furthermore he was able to do all of that secretly without anyone the wiser, all the while being persecuted, preaching, guiding, teaching, emigrating, starting a new community, administrating, creating covenants and treaties, leading battles, returning victorious, etc ... ... so maybe he had access to the guarded or secret libraries and archieves of various communities who for some reason opened their treasuries of important documents to a travelling, wandering nobody? ... Mmm ... but doesn't seem like he had the time .... ahh so may be he had a time travelljng internet connection! He must of had something ... after all, when he finally died why couldn't the "Prophets" that sprang up also "plagiarize" something? You are all so confused about Muhammad and the Qur'an that you can't even keep one straight consistent story, because what he did and what happened was so extraordinary that some of you try to rewrite history completely to make it fit ... some saying he never existed, others saying he was from Petra, another saying the "real" Muhammad was a man from the tribe of Tai'i, etc etc ... all the while using spurious narrations, picking and choosing the ones you want ... and now even trying "diagnose" him (not by a doctor or anything, but an ex-Muslim twenty something year old kid who doesn't know his limits) based on that "picking and choosing" of the oral traditions (rumours) written over 200 years after his death. Yeah, sure ... "intelligence" The phrase "running around like headless chickens" comes to mind. At the core Muhammad's story is the classic Prophet story; God sends a man to take his people out of idolatry towards the worship of God, he teaches them to do good deeds and eschew bad deeds (don't kill, steal, cheat, lie fornicate, agrees,etc give charity, be good to parents, orphans, neighbours, etc) and warns them of God's judgment, and leaves behind a scripture that all can read today, and many and more do read today, and come to believe that his mission was true, sincere and from God. That's what's obvious, and that's what intelligent people see ... not the grasping for straws I like here. THAT'S the real his-story. And it's a story through which God changed the world ... no matter how much the haters may hate it. Keep trying
@Qui Creva Sp Go sort out your "ifs" first because if they are different then the result of what you've said is nonsense. And no everything you've said about the region is total nonsense. These things weren't known to the Meccans nor Arabs in general. Not one shred of evidence to indicate that. "Tales of the ancients" was just there way to dismiss them, it doesn't mean they knew them. In fact if you are going to use the Qur'an, it very clearly says that they DIDN'T know these stories, neither Muhammad nor his people, before "this" You are still stretching and graping for straws. Capital letters can't help you. The stories and culture of the Arabs was completely different which is why there wasn't even warning signs that something like the Qur'an was about to appear, not even a clumsy paragraph anywhere. The Arabs had their own stories and poems, things you know nothing about ... neither you nor the revisionists you listen to. Nor did anything like the Qur'an come at the time of Muhammad nor immediately after. By the mid 7th century the Arab Empire had already spread far beyond Arabia and the Levant ... and you think Mu'awiya and later AbdulMalik were able to "create" and impose a living religion with all its trappings and a huge literature and self-history and identity across 3 continents? You are delusional. Very poor reply. Totally without understanding of the time and place the Qur'an emerged from which you don't even have in a proper narrative ... so go sort that out first. Decide on your "ifs". These theories sound like conspiracy theories. So maybe you should pull your head out of the rectums of Christian missionaries masquerading as academics and researchers on the origins of Islam? Because everything they say is such a far fetched joke that only those with a gripe against Islam, the Qur'an and Muhammad take it even remotely seriously. You can create any conspiracy you want by ignoring 99% of the evidence and deciding you will only accept a certain type. To deny the self-history of a whole Empire and people and make up your own for them is the height of obstinate arrogance ... all to try to "debunk" a religion? ... For that you need to "rewrite" clear as daylight history? Well, just goes to show how strong the religion's roots are. Tell me ... where are the works of those within the Arab Empire, Muslims, Christians, Jews, atheists, etc which tell of the "real history and creation of Islam, Muhammad and the Qur'an" All nonsense. Just a fairytale missionaries are currently creating. In my lifetime or my children's it will be seem as a joke. What will you do then?
@Qui Creva Sp Conjecture and nonsense. When the Qur'an mentions something that actually happened, and because it actually happened the history can be found before it, you say it is "stealing" stories. And when it mentions something you haven't yet found, you say it "made it up" ... Really though, skipping all of that, here is the important point; faith in God and good deeds.
He was not raised as a Muslim but an Ismaili sect more like a cult. Everyone has a right to disagree with arguments but people who mock and make fun of other religions or religious personalities , God will make them an example in this world right in front of your eyes. Keep watching these jokers and you will see their life made miserable by God. Again I say I have no problem with disagreement and neither any Muslim should have a problem.
If this is the case, look at people who follow him in true essence even today. You would see humbleness, truthfulness, and people of goodness. Do you think he would be able to keep up his lies all his life. No ways!. Even today, I cant hide a lie and keep lying to people around me. Even if I would do things due to epilepsy eventually down a the few months people would know that I am retarded. Stop being disrespectful. Try to know what message is given quran completely and then pick and choose and comment.
1:45 bee sound …That’s probably what it is Of course another assumption, can you give us a recording of an epileptic doing that sound of bees. 1:52 snorting is not embarrassing it is natural and has nothing to do with epilepsy because it is narrated that he used to snore sometimes while sleeping like many human beings. 4:12 foaming at the mouth Why don’t you give the original reference in Arabic, musnad ahmad is available on the net in arabic , we don’t take matters of our religion from books translated into English. If what you claim is true show us the full original hadith in arabic. 7:15 the hadith itself mentioned that I was because of the heavy burden of the revelation so do you believe that or you just pick and choose what suit you? Be serious man. 10:00 the prophet never asked abu bakar to marry Aisha to him because he saw her in a dream, It is a woman who gave him the idea of the marriage with Aisha, he only told her the dream after the marriage. 12:30 if it was epileptic seizure as you claim Omar wouldn’t allow people to see him in that state, the arabs knew epilepsy VERY well and it was a shameful illness for them. So you are lying. 14:50 well the hadith itself said it was revelation, once again you just pick a choose what suits you. Can you give an example of an epileptic having seizure and still hold a cup in his hand? 15:24 “you can say that this isn’t even a revelation”??!! Can you please tell us then what a revelation is? How could you tell the difference between it and a revelation if you don’t believe revelations exist? 16:14 “this could be again absent seizure” Yeh another assumption No certainty as usual 18:53 “ what I could speculate is…” Of course you can only speculate because you don’t have any evidence, what a shame for a so called scientist basing diagnosis on speculations and assumption. Take my advice, get yourself busy with your neuroscience studies and “TAKE YOUR KNEES OFF THE NECK” OF OUR PROPHET.
@@belalhussain4562 Let him bring the evidences then. Doctors don't speak without evidence and facts. how can a student be a doctor? Dr sameer?! where did he graduate from?
@@dannyrichard5069 you are the liar not me. Read any book about epilepsy and tell me if hearing bell ringing is a symptom of epilepsy? Does everyone who hears a bell ringing has epilepsy?
When I think of M.'s first "revelation", his anxiety and his wife reassuring him instead of telling him , "You are sick!", I can't help but thinking, Islam originated out of a well meant ly! Look, what a lot of trouble for mankind arose out of one well meant ly!
Mohammed was according to the hadiths CLEARLY a sick but also a very evil man ! How can honest and intelligent muslims believe in this CRAZY man ? Luckily more and more muslims are leaving their cult ! Even muslim sheikhs like Bilal Philips agree with this FACT !
At the risk of being misunderstood, personally as the culmination of an amazing and totally unexpected spiritual journey, some 16 years ago now (nowadays my walk with G-d is far more "normal", whatever that means!) I was privileged to receive a revelation of His infinite presence directly from the One loving Creator of us all, just below the very holiest Jewish site of all, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Way way way beyond the ability of my finite mind even to begin to take in (which was actually the point), and effectively traumatized me for a long time afterwards. I was stone cold sober at the time, am not mentally ill or suffering from epilepsy and it was profound, incredible, wonderful and loving totally beyond all imagination. Also I was utterly vulnerable in that experience, emotionally and spiritually, but when the Creator "embraces" you (as I believe He will all of us who genuinely seek Him or try to live life in a good way, or probably most of us, when we die) that's OK. Lots of people have experienced the Creator "leading" them in some way, but the how and the path is up to Him. In my case, He helped me home to Judaism. In your case, it may be a different path altogether. Or you may decide not to believe in a Creator (though if you don't, you will actually believe in many more miracles than those I believe in, but you have the freedom, or should have the freedom, to decide for yourself). The reason I'm going into this, is that a genuine experience from G-d (not from "Jabril/Gabriel") will help you move forward to becoming a better, kinder and more loving person. Not what seems to have happened (if he truly existed) to Mohammed at all.
0:21 - he spelled "precursors" incorrectly. While I don't care about such a small mistake, Islamists like to pounce on these kinds of small errors to invalidate the overall argument
Mohammed he was not a prophet, nor the last. I don't know geneology of Mohammed, who was the father, and who was the grandfather. Prophet is a gift that God gives to man, like the gift of speaking many languages, or the gift of music. God did not eliminate the gifts he gave to man. Therefore, today there are prophets, and why they do not show themselves, and why we do not know them. Because the prophet is a man of God, not a man of the world. A prophet manifests himself where God leads him.
@@belalhussain4562 Your assumption is as far away as possible. like buraq, no not husein. It is the black unicorn on its night sky ride. Later his child, or rather his wife, confirmed that the old man was snoring by her side all night long. So much for this. Look in your scriptures and correct me if I'm wrong.
Why look at the Scripture when we have experts like yourself and the two Dr's. By the way I am guessing you are Christian. Why does it make you happy that two atheists are attacking Islam as given the chance they'll do the same to your religion. As atheists they believe all religion is nonsense and that includes Christianity too. So don't get too happy.
@Yandex yragnitup My Deer trolle. Only Ideots, liars and cheaters thake verses out of context... Christianity begins with the New Testament. I assume you know neither the old nor the new testament, or to grasp anything of it... 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[b] 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’[c]”
You are right. When it comes to the Bible it seems like that is when the violent verses (and all other problematic passages) are always taken by out of context by non Christians. However when it comes to the Qur'an, somehow non-Muslims (including ex- muslim atheists) are better at giving the context and their meaning, than all the Muslim scholars past and present. If Christianity started with the New Testament does that mean Jesus only became God or son of God (based on the belief in the Trinity) when the New Testament was written and not before?
Seriously Abdullah . Your city still has high Covid cases and a serious economic oil crisis . Alberta economy is getting worse by the day , and yet you still are sending nonsense videos . Black lives matter , Muslim lives matter , and all lives matter . People need positive messages and hope on how to get on with life through these tough times . Not religious comparative analysis . You are stale and boring . Get a life and focus on your IT world .
Abdullah Sameer Wrong sir . And stop with your debate lingo . It’s about focusing on what’s important in life and not sitting on your butt on your computer making fun of religious ideas . Were you at the Calgary protests ? . Did you fight against discrimination and police brutality / discrimination ? Did you get tested for Covid recently ?. You know you might have it without symptoms .You are in a hot spot you know . All these life situations will catch up to you long before what Muslims beliefs will do to impact you or anyone else . Besides , you’re Atheist , live the life you only know .
fandy final Islam Zombie ? Are you talking about people that believe in a faith ... ie : ( christians , jews , Hindus , sikhs , etc. You realize all these faiths have scriptures and revelations and code of conducts . ) . Are you aware that mental health is a huge issue right now and faith can help many get through this . Why would you condemn this now . Just to make Atheists feel better ? Debating what a religion believes vs another is pointless and not relevant to what’s going on in today’s world . Hence my point of this post .
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Only a sick man would smile while talking to his wife about the fact that he was about to go and marry a second one
I’d expect to be murdered 😂
@@Cultwatch123 In a developed country, women have more rights than men. She would get away with it too. That is the price men have to pay for their past arrogance. May religious arrogance go that way too.
I'm a Muslim and boy I feel like my life is just a lie
Don't believe what these guys in this video are saying. They're carefully crafting a narrative to present a certain image. It's not new, the Greek historian Theophanes, was the first to make such an assertion, which lead to this orientalist view that we see today. One of the main criticisms of the assertion, which we see in this video, are badly translated hadith and aspects of hadith narrations that are disputed by other narrations or hadith scholars. To approach hadith without training is very dangerous, and often leads to disbelief, as we see with these two commentators in the video.
Also, my brother has epilepsy, I've been working with him for years, and I can safely say that these guys either don't know much about epilepsy and seizures, or are being disingenuous in their analysis. Another point of contention is that there are some similar physical effects in having a seizure and having certain brain regions activated more highly, such as during meditation or when taking certain psychedelics. But the latter would not be categorized as epilepsy.
English historian Edward Gibbon rejected the harsh statements of Theophanes and his Greek supporters stating, “His epileptic fits, an absurd calumny of the Greeks, would be an object of pity rather than abhorrence” [7]. Thomas Carlyle similarly rejected such claims, presenting The Prophet as a hero and stating that, “The lies, which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man, are disgraceful to ourselves only.” [8]. William Montgomery Watt also contradicted these claims, stating the following:
On some occasions at least, there were some physical accompaniments. He would be gripped by a feeling of pain, and in his ears, there would be a noise like the reverberation of a bell. Even on a very cold day the bystanders would see great pearls of sweat on his forehead as the revelation descended upon him. Such accounts led some Western critics to suggest that he had epilepsy, but there are no real grounds for such a view. Epilepsy leads to physical and mental degeneration, and there are no signs of that in Muhammad; on the contrary, he was in full possession of his faculties to the very end of life.
W.W. Montgomery: Muhammad: prophet and statesman - Oxford University Press, London (1961), pp. 11-12
There is no mention of epilepsy by famous Arab historians like Tabari [16], Ibn Ishaq [17], or Ibn Sa’d [19] nor have they used words like fits, epilepsy, epileptic, falling sickness, or sara'a in their chapters on the life of The Prophet1. It would also be onerous to assume that Arabia had no physicians during The Prophet's1 era and as a result, his epilepsy went unnoticed. Freemon upholds this by stating that “Arab physicians were familiar with the manifestations of epilepsy and none of his contemporary opponents have mentioned this possibility” [1]. Epilepsy was known among Arabs as "sara'a", a term still in use. An example is a Hadith, given below, that describes a person with epilepsy coming to The Prophet1, supporting that epilepsy was common knowledge at the time.
Ibn Abbas said to me, “Shall I show you a woman of the people of Paradise?” I said, “Yes.” He said, “This black lady came to the Prophet and said, ‘I get attacks of epilepsy and my body becomes uncovered; please invoke Allah for me.’ The Prophet said (to her), ‘If you wish, be patient and you will have (enter) Paradise; and if you wish, I will invoke Allah to cure you.’ She said, ‘I will remain patient,’ and added, ‘but I become uncovered, so please invoke Allah for me that I may not become uncovered.’ So he invoked Allah for her.” [22]
Epileptic attacks are stereotyped, lasting from a few seconds to 2-3 min. Epileptic visual hallucinations are mostly ill-formed, lasting for a split-second, without sound, verbal content or two-way communication...Auditory hallucinations are machine-like, buzzing or whistling sounds without verbal content. There is nearly total amnesia of all ictal events in epilepsy; except in aura in which there may be full or partial retention of memory. These events are usually followed by varying periods of sleep and/or blunted mentation, which distorts memory and its context; hence, events recounted during or after the events, if any, are unreliable.
On the other hand, the Prophet's experiences were completely lucid, there was no amnesia as he states that he would memorize everything be told to him or observed.
What the orientalists and historians labeled as epilepsy, consciously or because of lack of understanding, were in fact signs and symptoms of discomfort endured by The Prophet1 during divine to human transfer of revelations and not epilepsy. For instance, in the video, the person says "trembling" on account of fear was a tonic clonic seizure, but to derive such a conclusion from such a basic and general description demonstrates not just a clear bias but disingenuousness. There's obviously a clear agenda. The sound of bees, he says, is likely from the jittering of teeth, but that cannot be derived at all from the text of the narrations.
He mentions a narration where the Prophet's eyes were closed and he was foaming from the mouth. When you have an epileptic attack, your eyes are certainly not closed. During those states, your entire body stiffens as all of the body's neurons end up firing at once. It should also be noted that there are some experiences contained in the hadith that were experienced by other people, such as the sudden increase in pressure or the sound of vibrations/bees.
The closest description of an actual epileptic attack would have been the hadith where it describes foaming from the mouth and the snorting sound. But the hadith doesn't actually mention the foaming of the mouth in Arabic, the phrase actually says that the color of his face would change.
Overall though, the reception of revelation was understood to be a very immense and heavy experience, why would it not be? It is the instantiation of universal knowledge onto the level of the particular, like conducting a massive data dump (to use a poor analogy). It is the transmutation of the metaphysical into the physical. There is discomfort in that, and people are confusing some of the symptoms of discomfort with epilepsy.
There is a hadith that states:
When Allah speaks to send the revelation, the inhabitants of the heavens hear the clanging of a bell from the heaven above it, and it is like pulling a chain on the mountain of al-Safa. The sound is so loud and powerful that even the angels faint. When the angel Gabriel appears, they ask him what Allah said, and Gabriel responds "The Truth, the Truth."
Surah an-Nam is over 20 pages long, and it came to him in one event while riding on a camel. The length of time that this took goes well beyond the length of time of an epileptic attack, which lasts for a few minutes maximum.
The narrations describe how, after the revelatory event, he would speak smoothly, eloquently, and beautifully. An epileptic attack is characterized by amnesia and confusion, and an inability to move one's body due to extreme levels of muscular soreness. None of these described the revelatory events.
Some sources:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1525505019310844#:~:text=The%20Prophet%20of%20Islam%20is,that%20has%20continued%20to%20date.
yaqeeninstitute.ca/omar-suleiman/when-he-would-receive-revelation-meeting-muhammad-episode-22
I’m almost middle aged man. I felt half of my life has been a lie. Not too late for you. Live the best life you can.
same man i remember how scared and confused i was when i got my first few doubts
Brother, we all go through this. I ,myself, was a raised in a Christian; but as I searched for truth, and couldn’t ignore reason, I was forced to confront the reality of it. It’s uncomfortable and downright depressing at first but in time you learn to accept life for what it is -a gift that we shouldn’t let go to waste (especially not to some lying psychopath who dreams of controlling us all).
Is this how god, who is perfect in his holiness and majesty would give his direct word to his most favourite prophet? by putting him in pain to the point where he would feel as though he is dying.?
Nope, the closest to that would be Paul when stoppedby Jesus on the road to Damascus, and even that is not comparable (Paul never again had any similar spectacular apparision, when instructed later by Jesus, no details are given).
Snoring like a camel? This condition can only be cured by milk, fresh warm camel milk. Of course, never forget the magical golden liquid called camel urine to blend in. With the right hand, stereng alwways to the right site ;)
@Grilled BBQ
Holy shit, this time its totale diferent ;)
Now I want more and thirst even more of the healing golden liquid back then ...
lmaoooo
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F.Burleigh's book on Mohammed also states this fact about epilepsy. And most probably, he got it from his mother through genetic transfer. His mother also had similar epileptic seizures.
I wanna share my stories, so I’m an 18 years old ex-muslim from Indonesia and I’m living among a hardcore fanatic sunni muslim family (people sometimes refer it as wahhabi) and I just couldn’t take it anymore, I was told to do the 5 daily prayer and sunnah prayer (I was even told to be the imam), read qur’an (especially surah kahf during friday), and my father would be very very mad at me if I didn’t do these religious activities and I felt really mentally abused by my family.
All this time I was only pretending to be a devout muslim to avoid conflict with my family, but I just couldn’t take it anymore, any suggestion guys ? I really need help, but I don’t know where to look for. Thanks.
Your case is much like most young Muslims. One way to solve the issue is to learn so much about Islam that you can explain small but significant inconsistencies in religious practices. Be more religious than your parents, to the extent where they cannot doubt your piety. With age your thoughts will gain credibility. Just reamind them every now and then that Islam is not a religion of difficulty, you should not find being a Muslim difficult. It is also very important for Muslims to be scholarly, to study everything not just a single book. You can try to live as a good moral being, and a moderate Muslim. Work on attaining a good job in society, and escape the parents home by earning your independence, do not marry before you have your own house, rental or otherwise. Then, you will live the way you see fit whilst keeping up appearances when you need to. If you think your parents respect you enough to listen to you, you can formulate your position write a letter explaining your life decisions. At this stage you should thank them for raising you with a good moral, thank them for feeding and housing you and so on... You will show them that you value them, but you do not share their faith. You love them but haven't found a read on to love God and so on... Be gentle, and give them time. If you are lucky, your parents will still accept you, if not, you will be free but would have lost your parents and possibly your family, friends and community. It is your choice to answe the question of whether it is worth it or not.
I personally don't have any issues living as a Muslim. I think Islam, at least in my culture, is more than just stories. For 1600 years Islam has evolved and adapted to become a rich and varied library. It is not the words on the page that make the book wise, but the wise reader who imposes wisdom into the words. It's not perfect, nothing is but boy is it easier to destroy than it is to create. My advice good friend is hold on to family whilst you have them, it is the strongest bond you have to society. But for God's sake be a moral, just and honerable man. For we need these qualities in our young population now more than ever. In the end, this is your test alone... A test of Faith... in yourself.
Is it possible for you to move out of parents place?
Try to emigrate to Britain or Canada. Although, Canada might not protect you.
Get away from your family!
You have changed inside, that is the most important thing ! You can change "outside" when you feel independent and I hope that will be soon !
I find it strange that his revelations were painful while other abrahamic prophets supposedly felt awe, joy and love during their's.
I didnt actually read the bible / the quran etc, but i'm curious, could you give me an example ?
Whenever you two Abdullahs combine , it's time for explosive revelations .
You wouldn’t bomb if you were a comedian
12:48 I think Umar and Abu Bakr were the real power players in Muhammed's army and state. They kept Muhammed on as a tool. One can see this in how they treat him and ply him with pleasures as if to placate him, and yet how he is killed off by poison when he no longer is necessary, and how Ali (Muhammed's choice for successor) was easily bypassed without civil war in the army.
The real authority was Abu Bakr and Umar.
I bear witness that there is no one worthy of worship except Allah and that Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam is His Servant and final messenger.
who are you to bear witness, but another fool who believe in a psychotic warlord.
Probably more relevant was whether or not he was a psychopath - because there are traces of it all over Islam, including the name of the religion. Psychopaths have a lot of notable characteristics: the ability to lie unflinchingly, the view that all relationships are vertically oriented: one is the top dog, one is the underdog, and it is vitally important that they think of themselves as top dog, the need for people to be underneath them. If he was a psychopath Mohammed would have craved status. Unfortunately he was an orthodox in a kin base vengence law society - as a result he was near the bottom of society; he was forced to marry a women 15years older than him. In 6th century central Arabia there were three ways to achieve notable status: to be a leader of a clan, a custodian of a religious sect, or poet (in pre-literate societies this was an important way to remember & transmit thought). Mohammed's gambit was to combined all three - making himself a head of a clan based upon religion based that relied upon poetics. He scrounged enough status by the time of his wife's death so as to marry a 6 year old as an obvious reaction to the humiliation his marriage to his first wife imposed upon him. The important thing to him was that Islam meant submission to him. If he was a psychopath, that is what he would have craved. The reason he appears to have been a psychopath is that he committed genocide in a rather deliberate fashion with his child bride at his side. .
@What i want? whoa whoa dude, wait, you mean that all non believers go to hell is rational ? Do you agree that non muslims are the worst of Allah's creation ? Or do you believe that having sex with a female slave is a totally moral thing to do ? All of this is in the quran and hadith, so i encourage you to actually read the book thoroughly
@HA hello HA. the full explanation is: muhammad was a psychopath who had epileptic fits which he was told was a message from god and he was happy to believe in his personal greatness. but muhammad the praised one is probably a title his conspirators came up with to avoid mentioning quthab was low man on the social totem pole as an orphan. who was used by the rich tribes around mecca to head up a new religion with themselves as viziers to a priest king. th-cam.com/video/A8au1Py1I3g/w-d-xo.html
The 2 Abdullahs getting together to make mischiefs !
Very interesting. The congruencies with epilepsy tends to lend credence with Mohammed being a historical personage. An extremely messed up person but an actual historical personage. Why else would these consistencies exist?
Mohammed as a person almost certainly did exist ! There is too many details of his life, his battles , his family and "teachings" for even the fertile imagination of early muslims to "cook up" !
I am surprised at the way things are shaping up for Islam and its founder.
I remember the turmoil that erupted in the days when a Norwegian
journal/ daily published a picture of Mohamed. An inadvertent publication of the picture of Mohamed by a leading news paper of south india(now championing
the cause of of muslims after the marriage of the editor of the paper with a Muslim woman .it is also widely rumoured the editors conversion to Islam has been kept under wraps). Now ex Muslims are tearing Islam and its founder into pieces that even 1 billion Zakir naik cannot stop the exodus from the religion.
@ r. chandrashekaran srihkanth, 10 years back there was hardly any info on quran, now with quran, hadiths explained, analysed by scores of experts on quran, hadiths , which are all available on social media, every one ,including mohammadans have learnt to accept that the profart mo was not really perfect , even to the extent that he was a not a good man.
In extreme cases of 'delusions of grandeur" people believe themselves to be God . Thank God, Mohammed wasn't that extreme and had only delusions of being a prophet !
Don't make fun of prophet Muhammad (PBUH)
Yeah the best profit ever, the dude had bigger ego then the Jewish god yahweh.
So how come no other psychopath, or mentally I’ll was able to create a religion and such strong followers ??? I have bipolar and I wasn’t nearly as close to as influential as him , so you are wrong and liers, Muhammad saw was real messenger and Quran is a miracle
yes i am Muslim and i agree with you. but schizophrenia is much more dangerous and stronger.
Narrated Jundub bin Sufyan:
Once Allah’s Apostle became sick and could not offer his night prayer (Tahajjud) for two or three nights. Then a lady (the wife of Abu Lahab) came and said, “O Muhammad! I think that your Satan has forsaken you, for I have not seen him with you for two or three nights!” On that Allah revealed: ‘By the fore-noon, and by the night when it darkens, your Lord (O Muhammad) has neither forsaken you, nor hated you.’ (93.1-3) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 475)
salvation is only in Yahweh, not jesus
@@pepejulianonziema69 roman 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
act 4:10-13 act 4:10-12 let it be known to all of you, and to all the people of Israel, that this man is standing before you in good health by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth,[d] whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead. 11 This Jesus[e] is
‘the stone that was rejected by you, the builders;
it has become the cornerstone.’[f]
12 There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among mortals by which we must be saved.”
john 10:9 All who came before Me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture
@Yandex yragnitup eternal hellfire was invented by catholics in the 3 rd century all the places in the bible where you see written "eternal" along with hell is a grec word that means for a period of time . hell is basically a place where you suffer from the sins you committed on earth (thoughts of hatred for exemple) until you get purified and can go to heaven where no sin can enter .
Few simple questions...
1) Why were there absolutely no records of him having seizures before he received the divine revelations aged 40?
2) Why did Mohammed never produce any poetry before he turned 40?
You don't suddenly decide to start doing these things aged 40. Sorry your accusations are baseless.
This whole video has already been debunked by a neurologist backed by historical and scientifical facts, Gondal misinterpreted hadith, and translation, nor does he have knowledge on the science of the brain and epilepsy, check the video on Farid Responds's channel.
It sounds like a man who felt some amateur dramatics was necessary in order to persuade himself and those around him something supernatural was happening.
It's interesting to note most 'revelations' are responses to his critics or to indulge his desires.
There is nothing in the writings that can't be found initially elsewhere or of any significance beyond Muhammad's life.
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I feel so bad... I decided to learn about education and learning, then practice and do by myself. I don’t want to be a hypocrite person who just criticize bad things but do bad things or do nothing good.
Prophet Muhammad PBUH was called crazy so many times that he himself started to think he was crazy. This is proof that he isn’t crazy because a crazy person will never think that he is crazy.
What a wonderful piece of Catch 22 logic.
@@ShwetaGupta-hd6yk What do you mean
There's no way that God of 2 trillion galaxies sent revelation to one guy and hid himself from the others
I am here from your conservation with ahmed samy
So he Muhammad PBUH had “medical” like revelations only to produce an arabic speech that could NOT be compared to or mimic and his speech to be the best of arabic speech.. lol if you’re a hater because of family issues of being hardcore take that up with your folks… not the teacher smh 🤦🏽♂️
Freethinking need to be support
Strange. Some christians the so called charismatic ones actually shake, tremble, lips quiver, act like drunkards, receive visions or revelations at their prayer meetings. They called it the infilling of the holy spirit. Surprised Mo had trembling, fainting and acted like a drunkard.
But do they become harmful crazy beings ??
So your defence is pointing a finger at someone else you don't have an independent response ?
His own initial impression of the encounter was telling.
Looks like that if modern (Western) Doctors were to examine Prophet Mo's body, they would find several deformaties. He was very far from a deity, as has been shown from his colourful love life. "The most perfect man that ever lived"? Very far from it.
new fatwa is released against you guys now!
Whose fatwa? Islamic scholars are uncoordinated as heck.
Who bothers for fatwa these days, they are released from mullahs backsides and are rightly called fart-was.
@@theokrisna By a verified neurologist, with scientific and historical factual backing, unlike this guy who misinterpreted translation, the hadith and doesn't know anything about epilepsy. You guys just follow it blindly.
Mohammed was obviously a PSYCHOPATH !
How are your videos monetized, but David Wood's are not?
I am just wondering, if everything is wrong, why Prophet and his companions has suffered a great length at the very early days of Islam.
A non-medical practitioner (edit: ex-Muslim activist) trying to diagnose a man (edit: Prophet Muhammad, founder of Islam) who lived 1400 years ago, based on transmitted oral reports (rumours of the he said that he said variety) in another language, collected a couple of centuries after his death and making a definitive, clear-cut, unambiguous diagnosis of a psychotic illness that is actually quite difficult to diagnose and never happens in just one visit to a trained modern professional in a modern hospital/clinic ...
I'm sure intelligent people can see this for what it is.
@Qui Creva Sp Exactly...he recites tales of the ancients.. copy paste but still got it wrong.
@Qui Creva Sp
Not very original. And no consistency. So he was also the greatest historian and researcher of the ancient world? Able to gather and research "dozens" of even more ancient sources, from Greek, Syriac, Hebrew, Nabatian, etc taking them all and selecting subjects ranging from science to theology to history to folklore, etc, all from different languages and cultures, and translating and "plagiarizing" them all into a new Arabic text, the first of its kind, and doing all of this from Mecca in the middle of nowhere in the Arabian desert as an unschooled Arab man ... and furthermore he was able to do all of that secretly without anyone the wiser, all the while being persecuted, preaching, guiding, teaching, emigrating, starting a new community, administrating, creating covenants and treaties, leading battles, returning victorious, etc ...
... so maybe he had access to the guarded or secret libraries and archieves of various communities who for some reason opened their treasuries of important documents to a travelling, wandering nobody? ... Mmm ... but doesn't seem like he had the time .... ahh so may be he had a time travelljng internet connection!
He must of had something ... after all, when he finally died why couldn't the "Prophets" that sprang up also "plagiarize" something?
You are all so confused about Muhammad and the Qur'an that you can't even keep one straight consistent story, because what he did and what happened was so extraordinary that some of you try to rewrite history completely to make it fit ... some saying he never existed, others saying he was from Petra, another saying the "real" Muhammad was a man from the tribe of Tai'i, etc etc ... all the while using spurious narrations, picking and choosing the ones you want ... and now even trying "diagnose" him (not by a doctor or anything, but an ex-Muslim twenty something year old kid who doesn't know his limits) based on that "picking and choosing" of the oral traditions (rumours) written over 200 years after his death. Yeah, sure ... "intelligence"
The phrase "running around like headless chickens" comes to mind.
At the core Muhammad's story is the classic Prophet story; God sends a man to take his people out of idolatry towards the worship of God, he teaches them to do good deeds and eschew bad deeds (don't kill, steal, cheat, lie fornicate, agrees,etc give charity, be good to parents, orphans, neighbours, etc) and warns them of God's judgment, and leaves behind a scripture that all can read today, and many and more do read today, and come to believe that his mission was true, sincere and from God.
That's what's obvious, and that's what intelligent people see ... not the grasping for straws I like here.
THAT'S the real his-story. And it's a story through which God changed the world ... no matter how much the haters may hate it.
Keep trying
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So sure of that? ... And is that all you see?
@Qui Creva Sp
Go sort out your "ifs" first because if they are different then the result of what you've said is nonsense.
And no everything you've said about the region is total nonsense. These things weren't known to the Meccans nor Arabs in general. Not one shred of evidence to indicate that. "Tales of the ancients" was just there way to dismiss them, it doesn't mean they knew them. In fact if you are going to use the Qur'an, it very clearly says that they DIDN'T know these stories, neither Muhammad nor his people, before "this"
You are still stretching and graping for straws. Capital letters can't help you. The stories and culture of the Arabs was completely different which is why there wasn't even warning signs that something like the Qur'an was about to appear, not even a clumsy paragraph anywhere. The Arabs had their own stories and poems, things you know nothing about ... neither you nor the revisionists you listen to. Nor did anything like the Qur'an come at the time of Muhammad nor immediately after. By the mid 7th century the Arab Empire had already spread far beyond Arabia and the Levant ... and you think Mu'awiya and later AbdulMalik were able to "create" and impose a living religion with all its trappings and a huge literature and self-history and identity across 3 continents? You are delusional.
Very poor reply. Totally without understanding of the time and place the Qur'an emerged from which you don't even have in a proper narrative ... so go sort that out first. Decide on your "ifs".
These theories sound like conspiracy theories. So maybe you should pull your head out of the rectums of Christian missionaries masquerading as academics and researchers on the origins of Islam? Because everything they say is such a far fetched joke that only those with a gripe against Islam, the Qur'an and Muhammad take it even remotely seriously. You can create any conspiracy you want by ignoring 99% of the evidence and deciding you will only accept a certain type. To deny the self-history of a whole Empire and people and make up your own for them is the height of obstinate arrogance ... all to try to "debunk" a religion? ... For that you need to "rewrite" clear as daylight history? Well, just goes to show how strong the religion's roots are.
Tell me ... where are the works of those within the Arab Empire, Muslims, Christians, Jews, atheists, etc which tell of the "real history and creation of Islam, Muhammad and the Qur'an"
All nonsense. Just a fairytale missionaries are currently creating. In my lifetime or my children's it will be seem as a joke. What will you do then?
@Qui Creva Sp
Conjecture and nonsense.
When the Qur'an mentions something that actually happened, and because it actually happened the history can be found before it, you say it is "stealing" stories. And when it mentions something you haven't yet found, you say it "made it up" ...
Really though, skipping all of that, here is the important point; faith in God and good deeds.
What about other religions n prophets? Any answer ?
Without Fear Islam Disappears! ☪👿
He was not raised as a Muslim but an Ismaili sect more like a cult. Everyone has a right to disagree with arguments but people who mock and make fun of other religions or religious personalities , God will make them an example in this world right in front of your eyes. Keep watching these jokers and you will see their life made miserable by God. Again I say I have no problem with disagreement and neither any Muslim should have a problem.
What about Ahmed Deedat who mock Christ and the Bible he remained paralyzed and mute for 9 years till death?
If this is the case, look at people who follow him in true essence even today. You would see humbleness, truthfulness, and people of goodness. Do you think he would be able to keep up his lies all his life. No ways!. Even today, I cant hide a lie and keep lying to people around me. Even if I would do things due to epilepsy eventually down a the few months people would know that I am retarded.
Stop being disrespectful. Try to know what message is given quran completely and then pick and choose and comment.
bla bla bla, yet all the verses that he recited are truths
Wait what did Gondal said at 3.05 - 3.07?
1:45 bee sound …That’s probably what it is
Of course another assumption, can you give us a recording of an epileptic doing that sound of bees.
1:52 snorting is not embarrassing it is natural and has nothing to do with epilepsy because it is narrated that he used to snore sometimes while sleeping like many human beings.
4:12 foaming at the mouth
Why don’t you give the original reference in Arabic, musnad ahmad is available on the net in arabic , we don’t take matters of our religion from books translated into English.
If what you claim is true show us the full original hadith in arabic.
7:15 the hadith itself mentioned that I was because of the heavy burden of the revelation so do you believe that or you just pick and choose what suit you? Be serious man.
10:00 the prophet never asked abu bakar to marry Aisha to him because he saw her in a dream, It is a woman who gave him the idea of the marriage with Aisha, he only told her the dream after the marriage.
12:30 if it was epileptic seizure as you claim Omar wouldn’t allow people to see him in that state, the arabs knew epilepsy VERY well and it was a shameful illness for them. So you are lying.
14:50 well the hadith itself said it was revelation, once again you just pick a choose what suits you.
Can you give an example of an epileptic having seizure and still hold a cup in his hand?
15:24 “you can say that this isn’t even a revelation”??!!
Can you please tell us then what a revelation is? How could you tell the difference between it and a revelation if you don’t believe revelations exist?
16:14 “this could be again absent seizure”
Yeh another assumption No certainty as usual
18:53 “ what I could speculate is…”
Of course you can only speculate because you don’t have any evidence, what a shame for a so called scientist basing diagnosis on speculations and assumption.
Take my advice, get yourself busy with your neuroscience studies and “TAKE YOUR KNEES OFF THE NECK” OF OUR PROPHET.
Dr Gondal knows what he is talking about as does his trusted assistant Dr Sameer.
What of the bell you liar.
Koran was revealed in a sound of a bell or Arabic? Bell is whose people's language.
@@belalhussain4562 Let him bring the evidences then. Doctors don't speak without evidence and facts. how can a student be a doctor?
Dr sameer?! where did he graduate from?
@@dannyrichard5069 you are the liar not me. Read any book about epilepsy and tell me if hearing bell ringing is a symptom of epilepsy?
Does everyone who hears a bell ringing has epilepsy?
Reading about umar
Makes me wonder if he was the gangster who used this seizure person
When I think of M.'s first "revelation", his anxiety and his wife reassuring him instead of telling him , "You are sick!", I can't help but thinking, Islam originated out of a well meant ly! Look, what a lot of trouble for mankind arose out of one well meant ly!
"Ly" 😂😂
If you're gonna be a westerner and say stupid shit with no proof at least learn to speak your own language hhh
Mohammed was according to the hadiths CLEARLY a sick but also a very evil man !
How can honest and intelligent muslims believe in this CRAZY man ?
Luckily more and more muslims are leaving their cult ! Even muslim sheikhs like Bilal Philips agree with this FACT !
During seizures some defecate and urinate as well. I don't know why they didn't mention that is hadith
Isn't it very FUNNY and SHAMEFUL for the muslims that their BEST MAN (mohammed) was completely CRAZY !!
At the risk of being misunderstood, personally as the culmination of an amazing and totally unexpected spiritual journey, some 16 years ago now (nowadays my walk with G-d is far more "normal", whatever that means!) I was privileged to receive a revelation of His infinite presence directly from the One loving Creator of us all, just below the very holiest Jewish site of all, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Way way way beyond the ability of my finite mind even to begin to take in (which was actually the point), and effectively traumatized me for a long time afterwards. I was stone cold sober at the time, am not mentally ill or suffering from epilepsy and it was profound, incredible, wonderful and loving totally beyond all imagination. Also I was utterly vulnerable in that experience, emotionally and spiritually, but when the Creator "embraces" you (as I believe He will all of us who genuinely seek Him or try to live life in a good way, or probably most of us, when we die) that's OK. Lots of people have experienced the Creator "leading" them in some way, but the how and the path is up to Him. In my case, He helped me home to Judaism. In your case, it may be a different path altogether. Or you may decide not to believe in a Creator (though if you don't, you will actually believe in many more miracles than those I believe in, but you have the freedom, or should have the freedom, to decide for yourself).
The reason I'm going into this, is that a genuine experience from G-d (not from "Jabril/Gabriel") will help you move forward to becoming a better, kinder and more loving person. Not what seems to have happened (if he truly existed) to Mohammed at all.
Just ripping it apart
The video is incomplete?
please make video about petra as holy city the place of kaaba before mecca...
Why are the Hadith blurred in the video?
0:21 - he spelled "precursors" incorrectly. While I don't care about such a small mistake, Islamists like to pounce on these kinds of small errors to invalidate the overall argument
Yeah true but that would only make them look desperate
@@hannan4518 They're not above that. They'll use every trick in the book to invalidate and delegitimize their opponents.
Mohammed he was not a prophet, nor the last.
I don't know geneology of Mohammed,
who was the father, and who was the grandfather.
Prophet is a gift that God gives to man,
like the gift of speaking many languages,
or the gift of music.
God did not eliminate the gifts he gave to man.
Therefore, today there are prophets,
and why they do not show themselves,
and why we do not know them.
Because the prophet is a man of God,
not a man of the world.
A prophet manifests himself where God leads him.
Sounds exactly like Jesus would have done his miracles ...
Well NO !! Jesus said it correctly when he said: after me, many false prophets will come.
Yes just like 'those miracle workers' who 'heal' in the name of Jesus and make millions from the poor gullible Christians.
@@belalhussain4562
Your assumption is as far away as possible. like buraq, no not husein. It is the black unicorn on its night sky ride. Later his child, or rather his wife, confirmed that the old man was snoring by her side all night long. So much for this. Look in your scriptures and correct me if I'm wrong.
Why look at the Scripture when we have experts like yourself and the two Dr's.
By the way I am guessing you are Christian. Why does it make you happy that two atheists are attacking Islam as given the chance they'll do the same to your religion. As atheists they believe all religion is nonsense and that includes Christianity too. So don't get too happy.
@Yandex yragnitup
My Deer trolle.
Only Ideots, liars and cheaters thake verses out of context...
Christianity begins with the New Testament.
I assume you know neither the old nor the new testament,
or to grasp anything of it...
4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[b] 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’[c]”
You are right. When it comes to the Bible it seems like that is when the violent verses (and all other problematic passages) are always taken by out of context by non Christians.
However when it comes to the Qur'an, somehow non-Muslims (including ex- muslim atheists) are better at giving the context and their meaning, than all the Muslim scholars past and present.
If Christianity started with the New Testament does that mean Jesus only became God or son of God (based on the belief in the Trinity) when the New Testament was written and not before?
Buddha, Jesus, Mahavira, Krishna, Robes Pierre, Lenin, Stalin etc. were NEVER like Muhammad (please correct me if I am wrong).
Seriously Abdullah .
Your city still has high Covid cases and a serious economic oil crisis . Alberta economy is getting worse by the day , and yet you still are sending nonsense videos .
Black lives matter , Muslim lives matter , and all lives matter .
People need positive messages and hope on how to get on with life through these tough times .
Not religious comparative analysis .
You are stale and boring .
Get a life and focus on your IT world .
Whataboutery
Abdullah Sameer
Wrong sir . And stop with your debate lingo .
It’s about focusing on what’s important in life and not sitting on your butt on your computer making fun of religious ideas .
Were you at the Calgary protests ? . Did you fight against discrimination and police brutality / discrimination ? Did you get tested for Covid recently ?. You know you might have it without symptoms .You are in a hot spot you know .
All these life situations will catch up to you long before what Muslims beliefs will do to impact you or anyone else .
Besides , you’re Atheist , live the life you only know .
fandy final
Islam Zombie ? Are you talking about people that believe in a faith ... ie : ( christians , jews , Hindus , sikhs , etc. You realize all these faiths have scriptures and revelations and code of conducts . ) .
Are you aware that mental health is a huge issue right now and faith can help many get through this . Why would you condemn this now . Just to make Atheists feel better ?
Debating what a religion believes vs another is pointless and not relevant to what’s going on in today’s world .
Hence my point of this post .
Without Lies Islam Dies! ☪👿