Timecodes: Intro: 0:00 Maximus I 10:04 Lucy 23:07 The Ghoul I 36:09 The Boss Fight 37:44 Lucy and the Ghoul 53:52 Maximus II 1:15:56 Lucy and Maximus 1:43:36 The Ghoul II 2:23:57 Norm: 2:32:22 Cooper Howard 2:45:25 The Nexus of Stupidity 2:53:59 The Second Pass 4:31:48 Absurd Conveniences 6:20:38 The Dialogue and "Humor" 6:24:56 The Characters 6:30:44 Conclusion 6:45:23
38:50 Uhmm actually the real life ar15 uber killer hyper murder assault rifle also uses minature Nukes as ammunition. I thought that was common knowledge.
I think that this tv series is about multiplayer session of a video game. 4 player characters and their wacky adventures. I liked it, because I never even thought that it should be realistic. When you see it as a 4 player multiplayer session of a video game then all those stupid things will start to get sense and you could enjoy the ride. Ghoul could take all those damage to the back because he had high number of HP. Enclave guy was a random encounter of Lucy before he was important to the storyline in first town. Maximus got chosen by random because he was the only player character in BoS storyline. Small dude in Vault could finish the quest about knowing the truth about 3 vaults, because he was a player character. And so on. Thanks for the content. I will watch it fully. Writing this during Lucy and the Ghoul.
I still don't understand why Bethesda thinks building civilization is boring. You can't fucking have an eternal post-apocalypse. The post-post apocalypse can be even way more exciting. And the post-post-post apocalypse even more so! Where did this notion that adventure is gone unless its a virgin world or a slate wiped clean come from!?
This has been a franchise wide issue, too. The NCR was a massive target by everybody simply because they were advancing too far and ensuring that civilization would return. This is why I think games set very early on in Fallout would be the best option, because the closer to the nukes you get, the more chances you have for that post-nuclear crap hole that everybody who makes these games seems to want.
Short answer: I think it's a subconscious desire to retun to monke based on how soul crushing modernity is mixed with the romanticized past as a security blanket with the whole 50's nostalgia aesthetic. I'm positive it isn't being thought about that deeply as that would be giving them too much credit especially given the consistently very surfacey design philosophy of their works but I do think that's where the desire comes from. Long answer: There's no frontiers anymore the Earth's landmass is all mapped and we've all but abandoned space travel and deep ocean exploration, the modern world is also so agonizingly restrictive basically designed to beat the human spirit into submission by tying their hands at every turn unable to act or fight to control one's own fate, with the beuracratic machine being too big too powerful and to interconnected for any one person to destroy, making an apocalypse that just violently and karmically obliterates the modern world and gives us a fresh start and a real taste of dangerous freedom we have only ever heard about but never actually experienced complete with newly made frontiers to explore with just enough familiarity to not be truly alien is tantalizing beyond words and I think that desire is actually what drives a lot of the appeal behind the post apocalyptic media. Societal advancement which is what post post apocalypse and onward inevitably brings also means the reintroduction of a lot of the problems with the modern world even if gradually which neccessarily means less of the chaotic freedm of a truly fresh start, it can be just as if not more interesting but it's definitely a different appeal and it can hit a lot closer to home with those who are so beaten down by modernity, especially with how political intrigue and interpersonal dare I say femenized ways of handling conflicts gradually replaces the more simplistic might makes right unga bunga caveman style of the beginning. It's not just newer or post apocalypse media that has themes of how the advancement of society inevitably consequentially strips the soul out of things especially as the frontiers to conquer run out, King Kong had some themes about that with how after discovering the "8th wonder of the world" he is almost immediately brought low, captured, commodified and subsequently killed by the modern world, and that's from all the way back in the 30's
I get why they would prefer that setting as writers. That's fair. But then just set your show in that time, just elsewhere. Doesn't even have to be that far away, you can set it in like San Diego at some point, close enough to have the BoS and the NCR and such around, but still be a new location.
you don't understand, this is the perfect video game adaptation. the contrived plot, the inconsistancies, the stupid characters, the obligatory plot twists, the messing up the lore of the games, it's just like a bethesda fallout game.
I don't even get why it had to be tied in to New Vegas. Was this some covert confession that even East-coast writers think the East-coast is fucken boring
@@BaconMinion Honestly I think Tim is just being nice, as he usually is. He only brought himself to say he disliked the lack of end slides for Fallout 3 after the fact, so there is no reason to think he'd look to get into shitfights now either
some people just have a low metabolism like that, it's probably a combination of low metabolism and little/no exercise meaning that even with a rationed diet he maintains a calorie surplus
A classic hack writer mistake. Yes you avoid being mocked for being serious and failing, instead you invite being mocked for trying to be funny and failing, which is FAR more cringe and frustrating to sit through.
I've started to suspect that Bethesda is afraid of Microsoft handing the Fallout IP to a different developer. By resetting the West Coast and making the show canon, i suspect they intend to force another developer to make a new title in the same "style" as Bethesda. It would explain why the NCR was effectively erased and the new town made of scrap piles.
Man if it were me in charge of the Fallout IP I'd do an Elon Musk. Stating that: Due to the incoherent nature of the stories, settings, lore and worldbuilding between themselves and within a title all on its own, it has been decided that the only practical way forward for the Fallout IP is to consider all titles exclusively made by Bethesda as Non-Canon. And then announce a "Spin-Off" Fallout game set concurrent to New Vegas. As a gritty urban "post-post-apocalypse" role playing game set in the thriving city of Shady Sands, New California Republic. Rife with political intrigue, government corruption, and crime syndicates.
@@Aguriasu It would really suck if TES VI watered the experience down even more, bonus points if the seals clap like idiots because it's TES at all… almost like being threatened into praising China or dying.
@@Aguriasu I don't know. I'm pretty sure a lot of the OG devs of those studios are gone. I'm not sure they would turn out the kind of quality game we expect them to. Outer Worlds was excessively average.
@@AguriasuI don’t know. Obsidian has cycled out 97% of the staff that worked on New Vegas by now, and the Outer Worlds was an attempt to ride on said reputation. It was excessively… a video game. Not ground breaking, not absolutely terrible. Which means they would do much of the same if they attempted another post apocalyptic role playing game, sadly. But at least that answers the Ship of Theseus question.
You know what I think is actually happening here? When we criticized the direction taken in 3 and then they got dog walked on NV they got their feelings hurt and have just been having a decade long hissy fit
As soon as Hank said "we have to wipe out factions" I knew this show had one purpose: de-canonize the only good Fallout game produced by Bethesda which was famous in part due to its faction system
They absolutely got humiliated by New Vegas and old (good) Obsidian. When I saw it happen back in the day, I naïvely thought, "Obsidian showed them how to do it, now they will have to rise to the standard and Fallout 4 will be awesome!" Oh, what a sweet summer child I was. They took the absolute wrong lesson from it all, and have spent every year since full of resentment and bitterness. This is their attempt at revenge, no doubt. It won't work. Real fans reject their slop.
@@BobSmith-kk4kp fallout 4 was surely a step down in terms of plot but over all it was pretty cool for what it was. i honestly dont think bethesda had any bad intention, but the inconsistencies were there like the vault filled with jet that was made specifically after the war from brahmin shi so it was rather contradictory. I wish it was better but i dont like to say bethesda bad, obsidian good, since i have many fond memories of fallout 4. Love the profile btw. yo mf threw me into the jail in junktown after i saved his ahh. 😅
I hate how this series is a big summary of what Fallout is nowadays: a nonsensical world that never evolves or debates its themes, full of jokes and generic stereotypes that only serve to make us laugh and feed the great stereotype that is this franchise.
Honestly, I don't need an 8 hour video explaining to me why the show is bad. I know why the show is bad. What I need is an 8 hour video explaining to me why people are defending this shit.
@@DrMonkey1224Tim Cain liked it, he never said it was Good, Tim Cain also hasn't worked on Fallout for over 25 years, most of the credit to the masterful lore of the Franchise should go to Chris Avelone, Josh sawyer, Mark O'Green and John Gonzales.
@@DrMonkey1224oh yeah the guy who sold out for bethesda and got referenced in the show and who is always invited to everything that is bethesda fallout related and also a friend of most of the people who made the show. I wonder why he said he liked the show 🤔
I find it so interesting how journalists tried to get Lucy's actress to denounce the games' canon when she herself liked playing the games in preparation for her role. Of course, there's not much she can do about the terrible writing and direction.
I didn't know that no wonder people simp for UwUcy. RPGs are 100% a great choice for lady gamers. Planescape Torment can have 20 minute text dialogues it's great. In my job I've had to deal with romance novels. They have better sounding plots then modern marvel movies but yes that's not a high bar to clear. What if son went missing but cop who helps is your ex you shunned you???? See that's a movie right there.
@@Brandelwyn I don't think the Master exists in this TV show's canon... But maybe Todd Howard disagrees because he feels he somehow has to be the arbiter
@@supershot97291. Death of the Author. 2. Argument From Authority If a work of fiction belonging to a franchise contradicts the vast majority of its previous titles' events, it is then practical to deem that work of fiction as not part of the franchise it claims to belong to. Lest the rest of the franchise be made into an irreconcilable mess.
I wouldn't care as much about the haphazard handling of the lore if the show was set on the East Coast or in an entirely new location. It almost feels like the show wanted to mess with the lore solely for the sake of it.
The worst part of it is that it likely wasn't done out of malice, and that it was just done out of sheer hubristic incompetence; they want their iconic and marketable goofy wasteland aesthetic and setting, and didn't want to deal with the established lore getting in the way of that, so they made up a paper-thin excuse to remove the NCR from Los Angeles.
Thanks to Bethesda, the Brotherhood had a formation walk all the way from California to Pittsburg, have a split, walk to the Pentagon, become guardians of the common people, fly to Boston, become violently technophilic while also coveting technology, then flying all the way back to California and become Human supremicists.
The Fallout show is a genuine conundrum. If you know NOTHING about Fallout, then the little pokes and hints at the lore will go over your head, and you'll presumably feel confused and annoyed at the inside jokes. If you're a fan of the games like New Vegas and such, this show is like watching someone take your beloved household pet, filet, flay and fornicate with it, put on its' sopping crimson hide, crawl around nude making animal noises and then roll over expecting belly rubs. Maybe if you're a specific kind of fan on the spectrum or love. The ones that like 3, 4 and 76 JUST enough to spend money and clap at 'member berries, but not enough to have any stake in the games, so changing it is just fine and no issue. Perhaps this is the mass audience. Tourists walking through an amusement park where every fifth-world shanty town has a different dumb gimmick, where everything is saltine thin and puddle deep, where they see references to current year politics for cheap emotional attachment and all that other stuff. Instant oatmeal with high fructose corn syrup and fent. Quick to inhale, addictive slop that lights up your brain with the sparkly chemicals and you forget about it in a few hours until you get your bowl again.
The 'mass audience' is not stupid, look at the reception of the second Joker movie. It's just incredibly susceptible to manipulation and the like. Especially the type of mental gymnastics it takes to think Fallout is a good show and not Nickleodeon level slop
@ autocorrect got me bad, my apologies. I’m also on that spectrum, I meant a spectrum of love, with one end being the super fan who talks about the lore all day and buys and maybe produces fan memorabilia, and the other is the fair weather fan that shrugs and lets whatever happen as long as it’s popular, semi-flavored slop you can consume while barely conscious.
My friend watched it with his wife, I can definitely say he's not a stupid bloke, quite on the contrary, but he ate it up like a bowl of ice cream, held high praises for it, which just made me roll my eyes. He had no knowledge of actual Fallout lore. It was quite perplexing to watch the same guy shit on the quality of the later seasons of The Boys, another Amazon slop, I guess everyone has their blind spots if the show becomes appealing in some way.
Hey Creetosis, you have to admit that you were wrong about one thing when you were predicting the show. That Bethesda would retcon things out of incompetence instead of malice.
@@sadfrostnoises9191 it requires some level of brain activity to begin to have the concepts of malice if a cat figures out it can use one of its claws to cut a bag of cat food open to eat as much as it wants, it's not malice, it's just doing that to satisfy a basic impulse to eat malice is two levels beyond, it's causing harm to something because it slighted you in some way in the past, in a way that isn't entirely direct, so in this case, the cat would have to start opening shelves and pushing glasses out to crash to the floor because you took too long to give it its food. but if the cat just starts breaking glasses until you get it food, it's likely because it associated the act of breaking stuff as a way to get food. Malice is basically punishment for past percieved slights, accompanied with the idea that doing these will bring them positive outcomes
I think Fallout New Vegas had the best balance of comedy and tragedy. There are several factions that have expansive lore that all have great motivations and philosophies, the world has establishments but still has a chaotic wasteland that will take advantage if you aren't in top shape. There's mature topics such as, SA, drug addiction, suicide, putting people out of their misery in percieved mercy, slaughter of women and children and most of it sadly has logcial reasoning behind it. All the while you have a man who thinks he's a ghoul, a giant talking to a deer skull, a man that perfectly summarizes all of his own problems and then proceeds to make a 180 on a life of cooking for cannibals, a PimpBoy, a child saying he can see the bullet in the chamber when you aim at him, and an entire wacky DLC that never fails to put a smile on my face. The reason the comedy works so well is because the best jokes are grounded by reality and don't stop you feeling immersed, it feels just like any other part of the world. The only reason I liked this show is one character, and how it proves the Fallout Universe can be adapted. We just need writers on par or just get Chris Avellone.
I think that's the most they can do to try silencing him while doing it legally, because otherwise they would face consequences. Acerthorn would not get far if he tried to kill Creetosis.
Actually what he is doing here is a obscure youtube technique called the copyright-lock, where his ad revenue (if applicable) instead of going directly to the first copy-right holder, is held in escrow until the copyright situation can be sorted out, where a live person looks at the situation and determines it falls under fair use. I guess it can also shield against DMCA attacks.
@@steakdriven no just a raging autist with fallout and equivilating everything to newvegas. He's just another newvegas fan boy like everyone here. But it's fine cause he watch everything g Bethesda got its money and got an award for the show so yall can cry more about what you think.
According to the writers, the objective was to avoid having the end of "the Wild West". They actually said that once a telephone or car arrived in town, the Wild West was dead, so to preserve the "post apocalyptic feel" they killed off what budding civilizations there were in the lore. Expect them to do it again in Season Two with New Vegas.
@Calbeck They are so dumb. That is what fallout was from the very beginning with fallout 1 and 2. People rebuilding, now it's just trashed and I'm sick of this endless regression.
@@Calbeck That's like the most retreaded way to pull off the concept anyway. New Vegas excelled at the wild west themes of the series(some say too much~!) and ironically the Mojave even as a contested territory at war is arguably one of the most civilized regions of the wastes. Haven't seen something as incompetant as that since i had known a friend writer of mine trying to turn his nobledark setting into a grimdark one which caused people to stop coming to his RP sessions.
@@dyliokhan3946 Fallout is NOT mad max though. There had been conflicts between factions and ideologies since the very beginning, and were the highest quality narrative aspects of any of the titles worth a damn.
Season 2 will be filled to the brim with New Vegas member berries and retcons. The Courier will show up and get humiliated by the Ghoul cause Bethesda hates Obsidian that much
And for people who doubt that Bethesda hates Obsidian, Bethesda has turned down *multiple* pitches for both New Vegas sequels and Elder Scrolls spin offs
That doesn't necessarily prove Bethesda hates obsidian if anything it shows they view it as a sacred cow if Bethesda wanted to they could easily make a buck milking new Vegas dry @@Slender_Man_186
nah season 2 will be filled with vegas memberries but everyone will be dead and everything will be destroyed while being humiliated or made snarky comments at
Nah bro, the ghoul won't do anything to C6. If C6 will appear at all and not be already dead and have his/her grave urinated upon then he/she will become canonised as an insufferable girlboss at first, but will later display internalised misogyny, and Lucy is gonna girlboss all over C6 and have them repent and become a rainbow mafia ally and adherent. I'm calling it now.
The fact that Bethesda's own meme DLC (Mothership Zeta) understands that who started the war is completely irrelevant (conversation between Soma and Elliot) while this idiotic show went "CaPiTaLiSm bAd" is just mind-boggling.
@ mmmmmm it’s a bit weak one, considering we dont know if the aliens understand our language and also considering that (if I remember correctly) the codes of nukes are changed every week. Still I can see why it’s shouldn’t never been added to the fallout lore.
Because it's two different types of force, applied in entirely different ways? I mean, it's canon that Ghouls regularly lose body parts constantly. This shit is like asking "How can Kevlar stop a bullet, but not a knife stab?", and would be written off as bad writing if put in a piece of media.
@@therobustempyrean1436 If the power armor punch can't break his bones then how can a bite generate enough force to break them to cut off the fingers ? . I don't think the kevlar example is similar to this one but I may be wrong
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Why not both? Clarke's version applies here: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
This show was so weird because it was legitimately such a poorly written show with bad pacing and characters but was still somehow critically acclaimed. Not a good sign for the future of the franchise if this is the slop people think is good
I originally posted this under an EFAP highlight, but I feel like it needs to be said here Regarding the lore and Shady Sands, one thing everyone misses in this conversation is that the NCR is basically Fallout’s equivalent to the New Republic in Star Wars, except a lot worse. The New Republic is Luke, Han and Leia’s legacy, and Star Wars fans were understandably pissed when everything they accomplished was undone in TFA in a single scene. The same is true in Fallout except YOU are Luke, the NCR was founded at the end of Fallout 1 as a direct result of the Player’s actions, but unlike the New Republic which doesn’t get elaborated on or explored we see the NCR grow, in Fallout 2 Shady Sands has a statue of the first game’s player character right in the center of the city and the Republic has a confirmed population of 700k, new buildings are going up, pre-war cars are being repaired, and new roads are being paved. By New Vegas they’ve annexed more cities and have had another 40 years of growth, it’s safe to say the NCR has a total of 1million citizens by that point, it’s existed for 100 years and has the following settlements under its control: Shady Sands itself, Boneyard which is home to the Followers of the Apocalypse University, Junktown and The Hub which are the two other founding members, Necropolis and Dayglow which are two entire Ghoul cities, Vault City and Arroyo which are GECK paradises, as well as Gecko, San Fran, San Diego, Redding, and New Reno. And then this damn show comes in, it plops Shady Sands where Boneyard should be, off-screens it, acts like the several other cities within the NCR don’t even exist, and writes off the entire NCR as “it didn’t work out.” Even just the idea that Shady Sands itself only had 35k residents is laughable, but what this show does is a slap in the face to the fans.
Interesting comparison - it seems obvious, but I don't remember anyone comparing NCR with Republic from Star Wars. But the problem is somewhat deeper. NCR has no real fans, their fan base is literally astroturfed. After the release of New Vegas, people believed for thirteen years that NCR was a post-apocalyptic superpower, which was fueled by old developers who gave NCR undeservedly great advantages. Not only did they find GECK, but they gained a population of millions, which was partly backpedaled in New Vegas, where NCR suffered 100 casualties at the Hoover Dam and this became the reason for the memorual. I.e. if NCR had maintained the same population by the time of Vegas, such losses would have been considered insignificant. But thats not the point. The old developers love NCR too much, so they even gave them working trucks, as one of the old developers mentioned in his twitter post. Although there is no mention of this in the game and if NCR had working transport, they would not use Brahmins at all. But that didn't stop fans from imagining that NCR had TANKS and stuff. If NCR had such equipment, they wouldn't need the Courier, don't you think? But that didn't stop fans, as Frontier showed, which was the peak of NCR fan fantasy. But the problem is that after passing this peak, people began to lose interest in NCR and were ready to “sell” their favorite faction for the opportunity to get a generic show with generic Mary Sue. This, to me, is an indicator that quantity does not mean quality. Instead of boycotting Bethesda and demanding that the show be decanonized, NCR fans swallowed it when corrupt tubers gave them headcanon explanations. Therefore, now you can see comments from the category “NCR was always weak, bruh”, which have not appeared for thirteen years. NO ONE thought that way before the show.
@@ahoramazda6864 Literally everything you just said seems to have been something you invented in your own head. You even complain about the DEVELOPERS doing exactly what you say they don't. Get that jelly mold outta here.
@@Calbeck, Wha? I just gave clear examples of the inconsistency of the old developers who clearly sympathized with NCR as their favorites, and give them many advantages, even if this makes no sense. They gave NCR a population of over a million in Fallout 2, which makes the conflict with Vault City laughable considering VC only has a population of a hundred people (not counting slaves). To put it simply - the old developers are obsessed with NCR just like Bethesda is obsessed with the Brotherhood of Steel, which hinders them creatively. If NCR has worker transport as Chris Avellone said (if I'm not mistaken) why is it not mentioned anywhere in the game and they still use Brahmins? If NCR has such a large population, why don't they just zergrush House and Legion? I've played Fallout games back to back, so moments like this are more noticeable to me than to players who judge NCR and other factions based on jumbled memories.
@ahoramazda6864 ok you already lost me with "NCR has no real fans, their fan base is literally astroturfed." I don't think you know what that word means, that's like saying the fanbase for The Empire in The Elderscrolls is astrotufed, they're basically the protagonist faction. Players will naturally enjoy seeing an already likeable faction grow due to their actions, the only thing that changed with New Vegas was the number of people who were exposed to the West Coast lore. Frankly, if any faction has an astroturfed fanbase, it'd be the BoS who've been artificially elevated by Bethesda. In Fallout 1 they were a bunch of dogmatic isolationists, your first interaction with them is being sent out of a sewer-slide mission just because their gate guards wants you to stop bothering him, meanwhile you're just trying to warn the BoS of the very serious threat The Master and his super mutants pose to everyone. In Fallout 2 we see the consequences of their stubborn ways, they've started to stagnate and die out, it's pretty easy to beat the game without even coming across them, they're just too content with hiding away in their bunkers and trying to wait out the apocalypse meanwhile everyone else is already forming new societies from the ashes. Then suddenly Fallout 3 comes in, throws the BoS on the other ass end of the country, with no explanation as to how a faction that was in decline could spare the resources and manpower needed to traverse 3,000 miles of post apocalyptic wasteland, and they're suddenly these super duper good guys who've dedicated themselves to protecting people who they previously looked down on, their growth and elevation as Bethesda's protagonist fraction couldn't be any more blatantly artificial if they tried, they even got nonsensical over the top super weapons like Liberty Prime and The Prydwen solely because Todd wanted to jerk them off. As for your point about "if they had maintained their population growth, 100 soldiers dying in a single battle would be insignificant," this is actually insane. If 100 US soldiers died today in some military operation in Iran, would that suddenly be considered "insignificant" just because the US has a total population of over 350 million? Hell no, people were pissed when only 13 servicemen died during our withdrawal from Afghanistan, and the NCR is far more similar to the US than it is to say the WW2 era USSR who were basically throwing bodies into a meat grinder hoping it would jam. Not to mention, a lot of the soldiers the NCR lost during the Battle of Hoover Dam were the Rangers at Boulder, where the monument actually is, of course the NCR was going to mourn the loss of some of their best who bravely sacrificed themselves to stop the Legion's advance and win the battle. Regarding "if they had vehicles, they wouldn't be using Brahmin for transportation," you do realize the industrialization and mechanization of an entire country doesn't suddenly happen all at once, right? To go back to WW2, even in the 1940s a lot of militaries were still using horses for their logistics, and frankly the NCR isn't even at a WW2 level of development. Sure they have working cars and their president even has his own Vertibird, but those are still luxury items, the player's car in Fallout 2 almost immediately gets stolen in New Reno due to how valuable it is, and I'm willing to bet Kimball's bird is a 40+ year old relic that the NCR got from Navarro. I'm not saying the NCR is out here building entirely new things (like how the east coast BoS somehow turned the scrap metal from the Enclave's land crawler, an already absurd vehicle, into a fucking airship), but they do have mechanics who are able to perform matenance on pre-war vehicles, we directly see this in Fallout 2, and as for NV we're on the very outskirts of NCR territory in that game (plus if we're being honest, and say what you will about The Frontier, it's a miracle that mod got moving vehicles to work in the Gamebryo engine). There's also the issue of resources, the pre-war US and China kinda fought a whole war due to the lack of resources, the earth would still be depleted even after 200 years, I doubt finding stable nuclear material (emphasis on the word "stable") after an apocalypse would be easy, if anything the quest Come Fly With Me shows that it could be dangerous trying to find unspent nuclear isotopes, and oil wouldn't just magically respawn back in the ground ready to be drilled up again.
You know what's worse? When you try to argue with friends and family about the NCR and all they say is: "I don't know the NCR so I don't care, Fallout Show good!" When asked why they aren't just playing New Vegas for example, they say.: "It looks old. Not gonna touch that." You would forgive their actions if they would admit they know nothing about Fallout lore and can't possibly make a correct assessment and should therefore take the word of those who do. But *No,* they can't do that either. They just have to say that Fallout Show good because the pretty colors were pretty.
how to improve season 2: 1. Have a bunch of NCR rangers or NCR citizens show up in season 2 and basically explain that no shady sands wasn't destroyed it was a weird blood cult town ran by an old world commie that pretended to be shady sands. 2. Have the Ranger or the Midwest BoS (I know they weren't suppose to be canon, but I think it would cool) wipe out Maximus' BoS. 3. Kill Maximus. 4. Retcon the ghoul completely misremembering flashbacks involving the CEOs.
NGL this would work for the kind of """"""''humor""""""" the show is going for and for bringing back the proper feel of Fallout. *tourist vision POV starts.* New ultra serious faction shows up and derails all the drama the cast has went through with ridiculous ease. LOL *tourist vision POV ends.* Might I add a few things? • NCR Rangers explain that the BoS we see are the last remnants of the faction. They couldn't hack it in the East Coast and brought the Prydwen back to California hoping to regroup with any West Coast chapters. Quickly having their ideology devolve into whatever the hell it is in the show now. And then finding out that the NCR has either eliminated or assimilated all known West Coast BoS chapters into the NCR Army in late 2281 after the events of New Vegas. • Season 2 focuses on the NCR getting ready for war yet again. Because the Legion have returned and dirty bombed New Vegas like did Camp Searchlight. Revealing that the show is running off Neutral House Ending, where the Courier did as little damage to the NCR and the Legion as possible. Driving the NCR back to their heartland and the Legion back East. Which forced both of them to fix their issues. The jaded veterans of the Mojave campaign rooting out most of the corruption in their government through popular coups. Caesar having an epiphany and working to create a capital and a stable government in their territory before he dies with the mandate of finally eliminating the NCR once the Legion is able to. • All 3 protagonists are going heavily affected by the reintroduction of the NCR. Lucy is going to be assimilated into the NCR Army. Maximus will be sent to a POW camp before he FAFOs. Cooper will be captured by Legion Frumentarii and interrogated. • A lot of season 2 would be subtly written exposition detailing the events after New Vegas and worldbuilding of the NCR and Legion. Especially what the NCR have done to adapt and how the Frumentarii view "profligates" and what the Legion values. Exploring the world and ethics of a post nuclear world. You know. *_The point of the Fallout games?_*
Because the vast majority of the viewerbase actually never played the games, so they have no reference to go to in order to understand how bad this show is, at least compared to Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas. If their goal was to make a show in the same vein as the Bethesda Fallouts, then good fucking job because they nailed how dumb, poorly written and poorly made Bethesda's entries in the series are.
Fallout should not be a comedy. That is this show's greatest insult to the series. Fallout is a serious setting; the world is bleak, but the survivors carry on. There are moments of levity, absurdity, even humor. However, the seriousness of the setting remains intact. Ever since Fallout 3, Bethesda has forgone the seriousness of survival in a post-apocalyptic wasteland for wacky sci-fi shenanigans and side missions with joke characters. Not to mention the inclusion of cringey, derivative cosmic horror.
You need that narrative balance to have moments of humor actually land. You're basically just sensory overloading yourself to a point where you become numb if nothing is ever taken seriously.
Glad you touched on Sinclair's assassination. They really had to ruin hum of all people. Dead Money is such a great little story and they just had to shit all over it.
It's so random too. Why not make it Dr Klein? They already HAD a mad scientist who liked to perform experiments on unwitting people, who was from Big MT! Granted, that's not his real name, but they wouldn't care about details like that.
Yeah, this was just a stupid, fallout 4 themed series that gets away with being dumb af because 90% of the audience has little to no experience with fallout, superficial knowledge at best with FO4 or 76 being their main point of comparison. So of course lots and lots of people would think it's great.
@@danielsurvivor1372 It's the best in terms of role playing mechanics in the entire series. Especially with the DFUnity port it basically becomes the best canvas for RPG in the entire gaming space. With hindsight, the Dragon Break was invented as a concept for Daggerfall, and unfortunately Bethesda is using it far too much as a crutch in basically all of their properties, but at the time it was an cool way to handle Daggerfall's story.
@@danielsurvivor1372 No, daggerfall in and of itself is a good game, the problem is what Bethesda chose to do with the possible endings of it once the dude who put together the original lore left the company. Since D.fall is a good game it has multiple possible endings and each ending affects the whole continent in one way or another. What Bethesda did is make every ending canon simultaneously, even the ones that contradict each other and called it a Dragonbreak.
"erm, creetosis! the heckin game awards, which has proven time and time again to be a popularity contest rather than a signifier of quality, gave this heckin show an award, so it looks like you're a heckin wrongchungus!!!"
It's amazing how everything Amazon touches turns to utter garbage. And yes, I'm still counting Fallout, because while Bethesda did a whole lot of damage to the franchise, it pales compared to what Amazon did in just 8 episodes.
I'm convinced the 3 writers behind this show didn't talk to each other and just picked up the story where the last guy stopped writing. No part of the plot feels cohesive.
Netflix calls it "second screen tv shows" basically you turn on the tv show while you go on your phone. All plot points have to be reinforced multiple times, anything that happens on the screen needs to be verbally communicated, the show needs to make multiple call backs every episode to what the plot is and how it is moving forward. You're basically meant to watch the show while cooking dinner, or doing homework. It's not meant to be analysed.
Maximus' left arm was in the right arm of the Power Armor as he was being pushed into it backwards. How the fuck did he magic his thumb to the other side of his hand and slip into the glove in order to crush the guy's head?
He's double-jointed. All the joints. It was made very clear, how did you miss it? His name, Maximus, is obviously a reference to the fact that he is maximally-jointed. There are mutants in Fallout, therefore we can safely assume extremely specific mutant powers like this from the barest of theoretical references.
The fact that there's people who thought this was good because it isn't "woke" shows just how they never actually cared about good writing. They're also just flat out wrong because this show won't stop with the surface level capitalism bad messaging. We have plenty of real world examples of corporations being comically evil but not like this.
@@TheBreakingBenny emil literally ruined a entire fallout 3 location because he wanted a funny side quest about superheroes i forgot that city even exists in the game
@@czarnakoza9697 And without those two and their BS, the whole town would have absolutely nothing going for it, nothing to even pretend to justify it's existence.
They thought they could escape it by using smarter methods… except apparently, Fallout is a silly and stupid world thus Max is the only one who survives by ducking inside a fridge... which also has a hole in the back, and this entire thing was mocked immensely when Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull did it. Then New Vegas referenced it and mocked it again… but then Bethesda does in fact use it. In other words, those people were "too smart" to live according to the TV show's writers and directors.
The Fallout show's widespread praise and approval from the masses is the 8th Wonder of the World in my mind. It's as fascinating as the great pyramids how people can think this show is good, but shows like Halo are bad. How do they think Halo was bad if they liked Fallout? They're quite similar to me in terms of how badly they treat the IP they're based on. None of my friends liked the Halo show, but they all liked Fallout? How is that possible? It's a Wonder of the World.
Because it's all in-the-moment emotional stings, which is what Emil writes for the games. Each individual piece seems fine on the face of it, until you compare to the rest of it and see where it falls apart. If you turn off your brain, the show is great - and that's the problem. Fallout was never meant to be "turn off your brain" content.
Honestly, I'd say it's because of the different focus. Halo is about the Master Chief and Cortana, two characters we all know and love for many years now. Even the most casual of fans will know these two and be hyped for them...and seeing Chief's asscheeks just ruins that. But every Fallout game except, to some degree, New Vegas, is about a setting, a premise, an atmosphere, a vibe--many casual fans don't really see any deeper than the iconography and general concept of shooting things in a wasteland, especially more recent fans of Fallout 4 and 76 where the games really descended into almost pure pew-pew (even Fallout 3 was better in that regard). So alot of people just don't see it. They don't care about the history, the geopolitics, the power dynamics, the ideology of different groups, the moral lessons, and so on, not in the way they care about the Master Chief being a stoic badass with cool armor that he never, even removes.
Much to my shame, i have to say i liked it on the first watch up to around episode 6, where i just got tired and started using my brain thinking how the hell are all the plots going to be addressed. There is a couple of things that will make a fan give it the benefit of the doubt, chief among them being that its been 8 years since Far Harbor released. Fans will simply be starved for Fallout themed content. Similar thing happened to Star Wars. You might defend it out of sheer desperation alone. Production value and props being good is also eye candy to deceive and seduce. As to the halo point... Well id say Halo's core is Master Chief himself, that wasnt up to snuff so the show was easier to be recognized as bad, especially since to my memory it didnt just have humor haphazardly slapped everywhere, where Fallout at this point is more of a specific bethesda style combined with a setting, not a set of charachters in the setting. Setting matched in the show, so people clapped.
Not everyone has played all the games. if you only play F4 you don't know much about the lore. If you don't know much about the lore you won't notice all the mistakes. So for the casual fan it's a funny entertaining show with wacky characters. A hardcore fan will notice the flaws. It's witten for the casual fan and new fans.
It’s just bad… The best I can do is pretend the shows not cannon… BGS treatment in general of their IPs is just… ego driven, poor writing for the most part. The absolute lack of respect for previous games, and of course Emil and Todd were working w the showrunners, this is what they wanted. Their treatment of the NCR is just beyond dumb, and feels really petty, like, screw anyone else’s creations, all hail the constantly morphing Brotherhood, the golden child of BGS. They just need to stop, hell they can’t even create their own homegrown DLC that’s half decent… *cough, Shattered Space 😂. Not much else to say, the shows just beyond damaging to the lore. It feels petty, like they wanted to clear anything left from 1,2 and NV so they can create something far worse. And the fact that people think it’s great…. Is just astounding, to each their own but…… why… Conclusion, 0/10
Honestly, this is a story that CAN'T be canon. Like, every series has retcons sometimes, and we grumble and accept them to some degree, but the contradictions are so absolutely massive here that it's simply impossible. They just deleted the entire first game. It'd be like if the next Star Wars movie (set in the New New Republic) told us Luke Skywalker was an anti-Jedi activist from Alderan who murdered his sister to steal her droids and then launched an invasion of Tattooine with Mandelorian mercenaries. This is alternate timeline crap.
Whenever people compliment this show, I get the impression they are complementing the imagined version in their head. They imagine a road trip show with Lucy, the naive bright eyed young woman, and the ghoul, a gruff hardened survivor. If they had to watch it again I think they would end up skipping most and realizing they only imagined a good concept in their heads the writers missed.
This is almost exactly how I perceived/experienced fallout 3. I love that game, but u understand I love it because of what it makes me imagine….not because of what it actually is.
Netflix calls it "second screen tv shows" basically you turn on the tv show while you go on your phone. All plot points have to be reinforced multiple times, anything that happens on the screen needs to be verbally communicated, the show needs to make multiple call backs every episode to what the plot is and how it is moving forward. You're basically meant to watch the show while cooking dinner, or doing homework. It's not meant to be analysed.
So, there have been some leaks and reports on season 2 that's being worked on right now. The only thing i'm looking forward to for season 2 is the creetosis video tearing up a new asshole for bethesda and amazon.
Many of us will be, and we too will question the stuff that happens there. If the "defense squad" wants to attack us for "terrorist behavior" like the weirdos at Volition who handled and/or developed the Saint's Row reboot, then they can… and in turn confess they want _dishonest_ discussions instead. Wise people understand that they understand nothing, and in turn dingleberries believe they understand literally everything when they really don't.
It is a shame that you can make all the reasoned and logical arguments in the world, point out continuity isses and characterisation, only to be hit with "but the feel!", and "but the reference!"
I feel such dejavu between maximus, and the show "writers" obviously thinking him a "hero" and the way the writer of watchmen railed against the public's like of Rorschach. They think he's a hero, because he is THEM. Maximus is the self insert character for the writers.
There's an irony there that while Rorschach isn't traditionally heroic, we love him because he is a genuinely tragic figure who is desperately trying to do good. And that's super obvious too. Rorschach is horrendously flawed, and his this deep, unending rage and yet... He has a code, and he does follow it, and he tames his demons by trying to be a hero. The reason why he is the standout in Watchmen is obvious. He doesn't seek fame or money, he doesn't use his celebrity to cover his perversions, he isn't an aloof alien, he isn't the man who thinks he knows whats best for the world. He actually is the kind of person who fights villainy for its own sake. He almost doesn't know what else to do than fight crime. And of course he's drawn to show the flaws you'd expect from that sort of person. He's certifiable! Normal people know to take some time off and touch grass and have fun. We love Rorschach because he rings true, and no matter how flawed he is we see something very laudable in choosing death over collaboration. Now, he's a pretty bad person. And he's crazy. But we can respect him. And the writers don't get that. They never get that. And that's crazy to me because these same writers absolutely love genuinely evil characters. They get hot and bothered talking about Pennywise, and all that. It's absolutely wild.
I can make all the games/show canon :) Here's the overview: Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas - *Canon* Tactics and 3 - *General elements are canon* Brotherhood, 4, 76, and the show - *Nobark Noonan inhaled too much Turbo during his science sessions and took a longer nap than usual.*
Honestly yeah 76 and the show shatter or stretch established canon too hard to exist simultaneous to the good content, but I’d argue not only is 3 a great game, it does nothing to hurt or delegitimize the West Coast lore already in the series when it came along, should be totally canon. 4, even though despite me being INSANELY hyped over it I only did sixty hours in it and never bought any dlc for it, should likewise be considered canon. Just cause its got dogshit roleplaying and main quest writing doesn’t make it incompatible with the world lol. 76 and the show LITERALLY take things built upon or well established in previous titles and shit on it. Super mutants only becoming a threat where there are large quantities of liquid FEV and evil doers to use it? Naw some just got into the river or something, folks drank it (its really why they are in 76) The NCR, that faction thats been growing and overcoming the trials of forging statehood in the post apocalypse while staying in the spotlight for most of the good games in the series? Done got nuked, Vault Tec done did it becuh E-BILLLLLLL Its retarded
it annoys me that the cartoonish villain colonel autumn is mentioned in lonesome road meaning he is cannon to 1, 2 and new vegas. i just imagine it's a less stupid version of the character.
@@spicymilkshake6600Basically. For canon's sake, the _vague_ idea of those two games are part of the lore. For Tactics: a detachment of the Brotherhood went east and ended up crash-landing somewhere in the Midwest. We don't know *_exactly_* what went down... but they had to confront petty warlords and gained the favor of the tribals there. Eventually, enough time passes that new BoS recruits from here don't even know the basic history of the Brotherhood.... or who the Maxsons are (Caesar mentions this). For 3: a Vault exile follows the trail of his/her runaway scientist father. Said father comes into conflict with Enclave remnants over ownership of the only viable water purification system in the area. At the same time, another Brotherhood detachment has splintered and is undergoing an ideological "civil war" of sorts.
@butidontwannahandle nah I'm gonna have to reject the idea that Tactics is even partially canon, the BoS building airship is fucking stupid and Todd treating Tactics as canon is part of the reason this franchise is such a mess, a lot of Bethesda's lore *hinges* on Tactics, Captain Kells in Fallout 4 even has dialogue that mentions those airships and that that's how the BoS even made it to the east coast to begin with.
I went to a friend's wedding back in mid to late August, and I sat with his uni mates at a lull in the post-wedding celebration. They were talking about this Fallout show like it was the best thing ever, not even exaggerating or joking for that matter. I can't even stress how painful it was, practically on a soul deep and metaphysical level, to hear them talk about the moments in the show as though if they were the coolest things ever (the ghoul vs Maximus scene, and the Yao Guai scenes in particular), that it respected the lore really well, the writing was 'hype' and so on. I've never had to force myself to smile and nod that much before. It all clicked though when I asked them what their favourite Fallouts were, and they collectively said Fallout 4.
Man...I love my normie family members way too much to try and ruin their enjoyment of this series. I will note that none of the shows' plot was particularly memorable for them and they only think about the Ghoul one-liners or Lucy or bottlecaps.
@@ProfligateEater21753 I'm grateful my family doesn't watch anything like this garbage... Though yeah what you described sounds about right, my friend's uni mates were just talking about the stuff I already mentioned, the power armour, basically the stuff that was trying very hard to be appealing.
@@mateoreyes6921 Lol, I don't consider myself the best listener or judge of writing, but I have a feeling that you're not far off in that regard about most people.
There is no excuse that the power armor locks up when unpowered. Any competent engineer, like someone working for the US military during the cold war, would make it only stay locked when powered, and mechanically open when unpowered.
@@hideakiakio6698 thats because the power armor does not just "lock up" when out of power it just performs worse in fo4 you can use power armor even without fusion cells and it still works the battery just powers up the motors to make it easier to move
@@hideakiakio6698 Indeed it does, as it should. However, it does not look like the show takes the same consideration to the tenants of engineering as the games do. Impressive if i say so myself.
@@towarzyszmarcin474 It's understandable when people think being stupid is a better choice, like pulling the trigger on a gun while you're looking into its barrel... and because the redditors may as well go live in a Communist country to have their wishes or ideals fulfilled.
they made the same mistake in the show that they did in FO4!! Giving the main character power armor way too early for spectacle before contriving a reason to remove it!
@@BrandelwynIn the first few moments, there is a "reason", that being that Power Armour power (in Fusion Cores) now for some reason lasts only about 2-3 in game days at most with perks, instead of the almost eternally powered Power Armours of the past.
@@Nuniixo You should already be able to have a power armor build before you even do that quest that gets your that power armor, you only need to invest a single perk into nuclear physicist and potentially, pain train. Very common to be at least level 2 before you even leave Sanctuary. That first set of T-45 power armor is also pretty weak, with low hp values. You'll want to upgrade to a T-51 or T-60 ASAP if you commit to Power Armor. There's a fusion core at the Red Rocket gas station and another at the Robotics Disposal Ground and Thicket Excavations right next to Sanctuary and yet another one at the USAF Satellite Station Olivia if you choose to do the Abernathy quest. And if you're headed to Diamond City, yet another fusion core can easily be acquired at the Starlight Drive-In.
"But Cree Maximus is an idiot savant perk so of course it makes sense he's the type of guy to sniff clue and eat crayons" "Oh the turrets missing Wilsig (?) makes sense cuz the turrets in gsmeplay suck" "But Creeeeee stimpacks can fix anything in the game so it makes sense it happens in the show" Honestly I don't understand the constant need to keep bringing up gameplay mechanics to defend moments in the show, how hard is it to click onto the fact that just because the player in the game can be blasted in the face with an anti-tank rifle and be completely fine doesn't mean that anyone can do that in the actual story. Its the joke of "main character gets shot 30 million times in gameplay, dies to 1 bullet in cutscene" obviously gameplay isn't completely accurate to the lore and the actual setting, the gameplay is meant to be a fun rpg, making it so every single bullet can kill you instantly or cripple you permantly for the entire game would ruin the balance and make the game a nightmare to play (granted that would be an interesting experience for a game) edit: 6:02:27 yo holy shit he actually talked about it
Even Prince Ephraim of Renais from Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones can get fucked hard despite being a powerful Lord, with his 5 Movement pre-promotion and allergy to magic attacks when you start out.
you kinda missed the point of the setting then, because it was supposed to reflect that from the beginning. all the gameplay references just click and thats that.
The problem with Bethesda era Fallout (and everything else these days) has always been "Hey, I had a cool thought! Lets implement it right now with no consideration whatsoever!"
It is very annoying to me that the people making the show did enough research into the lore in order to have all these references and callbacks, yet did not take any care not to break it to pieces
@@MrRavellon What the shitass!?!?! Damn I had no desire to watch this show but hearing that kinda makes me wanna watch an episode to see how batshit it is.
@@Whisker_Fishhow about the three separate mentions of "cousin stuff" during the first episode alone, that was even mentioned in the shows marketing and was mentioned a few times in later episodes.
28:20 It's funny, because they didn't have to make him THAT irradiated. He could have been going up to about 2 on the meter and everyone would have got the point. They just wanted to be cool, which seems to be basically the only thing modern writers care about
Before even watching this video one of my biggest issues with the Fallout TV show is that I felt like it never took itself seriously or at least very rarely which is a departure from the games (mostly the classics and new vegas) which always had humor but never let the humor break the immersion or tension too much. They made the Brotherhood one big incompetent joke that's a parody of what it was in the earlier games
When fallout 4 gives you a full suit something like 45 minutes into gameplay I can see how the writers assume it's not supposed to be anything significant.
It's really disappointing to see its success. Because people will go "*soyjack point* it has ghouls and stimpaks and Nuka Cola™ just like the games, therefore it's good!" Literally just jangling the keys. God i wish the Halo show could have at LEAST done that much.
It feels like the show should have been set only like 20 years after the nukes All characters from the movie past are still alive (somehow) The ghoul is talking about finding his family The show writers want a lawless wasteland
The part about his family never comes up until the last episode. His daughter was with him during the first episode. I suspect that each episode was made without an overarching script and they were just making it up as they went.
Well, if Bethesda “won’t be beholden to something written 20 years ago”, and Fallout 3 is quickly approaching its 20th anniversary, does that mean they’ll start to treat that game like they’ve treated 1 and 2?
The biggest problem with the vault tec reveal is it makes no sense by doing it that way, the original idea/theory was vault tec was owned by THE ENCLAVE who was hinted at wanting TO GO TO SPACE so the idea was these vaults were to test a lot of things that could happen in new worlds and space stations (overpopulation, one man many woman, moral conundrums of sacrifice, fixing the water chip) so it made sense to attempt these test under a company name to make people go in blindly and trusty. It would also make sense that vault tec would have nukes CAUSE THEY GOT THEM FROM THE ENCLAVE. How the enclave knew about the experiments and were able to monitor them. But no, we needed MUH CAPITALISM EVOL and show off how out of touch these writers are on how basic economics and business models works. I loved the reveal until I thought about it.
To prevent the perversion of lore Tod could have disavowed the show as non-canon however in his insatiable hatred of that which came before (superior writing) it was ordained as canon to spite obsidian and interplay.
“B-B-But don’t you know Cree This show is just like in the games! It has Vault boy, Zombi- I mean ghouls, power armor, brotherhood of steel, enclave, mutants, dog meat, and radiation. It’s just like in the games!” -Tourist, Shills, Grifters “B-B-But the creator likes the sho-“ Yeah, your point? That doesn’t excuse the terrible writing, stupid characters and stupid retcon “You’re just a toxic FNV fanboy!”
Its irrelevant when its just Tim Cain, as he seems to have almost nothing to do with the story and the world building, its also odd that no one seems to ask what other people like Chris Avellone or people who worked on the games previously think about the show, Im willing to bet that most of them wouldn't plus Chris Avellone already had issues with it anyway.
@@VitaliyMilonov Tim Cain or who? I think to some degree Fallout is kinda about that, considering that in the original lore, the USA was imperialist, invaded Canada and Mexico and presumbaly instead of negotiating for peace resorted to nuclear war, leaving no winners, only losers of the "great" war
As a result of the dwindling resources, they resorted to violence, the end result of capitalism once things get hard, just like they have been now and in the past like in the 1960s and 1980s.
@@danpaz9485us was imperialist however it's been implied almost anytime it came up china nuked first which makes sense since us was probably winning the war
China was supposed to have dropped the first nukes, not vaultec, the vault experiments and vaultec are connected to the enclave and were to figure out the best way to keep people going on deep space colony mission to find a new planet. Thats why they were working on space travel and everything else, the whole plan for the enclave was to recolonize in space and just leave the whole earth behind.
I don't think it's canon, I think it is something Tim Cain envisioned when he was writing Fallout 1, but never documented it anywhere, and since he left after the release of F1, it never became canon. I think he talks about it in on of his videos. I mean, idea is sound, it kinda makes sense, but I think F2 writers went in the different direction.
The older I get, the more I hate Bethesda and Amazon. They both just ruin beloved franchises, including their own. The "adapted for a broader audience" mindset seriously needs to fuck off and die, if it weren’t for the existing fanbases for those IPs, THEN SUCH SHOWS WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN MADE. God. Why is it so hard for companies to not fuck up at every level?
I honestly don't get why all Bethesda Fallout has the main character be a Vault Dweller. Fallout 3- Vault 101 Dweller Fallout 4- Vault 111 Dweller Fallout 76- Vault 76 Dweller Fallout TV- Vault 33 Dweller It's honestly really repetitive. Why can't we open with something similar to New Vegas where the main character is a Wastelander from the very beginning? They have a life and a career (a courier) and the story picks up from that naturally. I get that the show does the same with The Ghoul and Maximus, but Lucy is clearly the intended protagonist of the narrative. And even if Bethesda wants to have all their protagonists be Vault Dwellers, that would be fine, but there are much more interesting ways to do it! Every single time, we have a Vault Dweller emerging into the Wasteland because they want to save/find a family member. Fallout 3: save your dad, Fallout 4: save your son, Fallout TV: save your dad (again...). Wouldn't it be much more interesting to change the formula? For example, instead of saving a family member, why not have a rebellious Vault Dweller who's tired of their Vault life? An explorer who genuinely wants to see and integrate into the world outside, without any external motive. Another option would be to start in an experiment vault, where the Vault Dweller wants to escape out of Vault-Tec's plans and make a better life outside. Even if Bethesda wants to have a Vault Dweller as the main character every single time, there are much more interesting ways to do it than saving a family member in my opinion.
Devil's Advocate. A vault dweller protagonist, if done well, can be used as a surrogate for the audience in exploring how the wasteland works. Its people, wildlife, economy, politics, morals, and ethics. Think about it. A vault dweller would not know the ins and outs of the postwar world outside their vault just like the audience wouldn't know the world of Fallout. Hell, even Fallout fans wouldn't know the ins and outs of the local wasteland of a new game or an old region that's been revisited after a decade or two, for example. The problem is that: • For the Bethesda Fallout games. They're made by Bethesda. Who make "RPGs" with increasingly fewer RPG mechanics. Namely, player characters with too extensive backstories that the player has no control over, worlds that look immersive at a glance but are nonsensical and inconsistent with itself when examined deeper, NPCs with barely any depth to their dialogue, and quests that are rigidly designed to where you'd be lucky if your choices actually have a unique outcome. • For the TV show, they did barely anything with Lucy being a naive vault dweller, and the world itself is just plain uninteresting and poorly developed and not explored much at all.
They also always have them chasing a family member. The overseer in Fallout 76 is heavily implied to have been a surrogate mother for the player character. Safe bet she was the player's actual mother before the script got used in a multi-player title. The other issue with the vaults is that there's supposed to be a limited number of them. This show just wasted two of those numbers by giving a single vault three numbers for no reason. I'm fully expecting Bethesda to eventually retcon that and say there's a bunch of vaults that were just mysteriously forgotten.
Tidus is a perfect example of terrible writing. People aren't just mean to people to conveniently set up their 'supposedly' guilt free robbery and murder.
I hate how the brotherhood is depicted A knight depicted as a coward with such poor skill ? Come on Maximus, a son of the wasteland raised by the most disciplined faction and behaved as an absolute p**sy is no better of course
You haven't even seen the Brotherhood. One particular Knight and lowest grunt perspective. They didn't show the real stuff. Those who intercepted the intel from the Enclave and organized the across continent mission. We haven't even saw who's on board the Prydwen. Show just used low grunts to distract the audience from the obvious (BoS victory by the end).
That's the funny thing about the show. The Brotherhood of Steel actually was treated worse than the NCR. They're consistently shown as completely incompetent and lost most of the battles they're shown taking part in. The one with the ghoul at the end is the absolute worst.
@@Mirthful_MidoriWhat are you taking about? BoS took the cold fusion in the end. They WON. And did that while obviously not even close to using their best. Quintus is not in charge of the BoS, he just commands this particular division (or what ever), and he followed orders too. Orders that came from the East. East gathered the intel and organized this entire mission.
@@elvisibraThey didn't win through any display of skill or competency. They won because the writers decided that they would win. A recurring issue with the show's writing.
This is just a bad show, if you forget its connected to the Fallout games and do not judge it on anything to do with the world of Fallout its still awful. As a stand alone show its badly written and full of convince, contradictions and toilet humour written for children. If you then look at it as part of the Fallout world it becomes totally horrendous and proves Fallout is dead.
I thought I was going insane watching everyone gush over this show. I hated every minute of every episode and I watched them all feeling my brain melt.
5:39:50 "War never changes" as a line was irreversibly ruined since FO4. 5:45:30 This is because of Death of the Author which most people who defend haven't actually read.
Don't even need to read Death of the Author to understand its fundamental concept. If a writer says he wrote "the Great American Novel", but the readers are tearing the pages making paper airplanes out of it to entertain themselves, _then there's a damn good chance that it's _*_not what he claims it is._* Which is baffling to me. Because I legit never read Death of the Author even to this very second but basic logic like that is common sense to me. Yet there's so many normies who can't seem to even grasp such a basic concept and will readily sling Appeals to Authority on why (Insert Popular Work of Fiction Here) is good because the (Insert Production Member Here) said its good!
@@DJWeapon8 Here is the thing. That isn't what "Death of the Author" means and you shouldn't act so proud about claiming to understand something that you never read. You are describing is called "having an opinion." Edit: I need to clarify that I believe that "Death of the Author" essay is fundamentally wrong. The common understanding of Death of the Author is basically just the metaphorical motte in the motte and bailey. People try to rationalize the timeline instead of making the obvious conclusion that the writers just picked a year without thinking about New Vegas.
@@MrSilentProtagonist So I looked up a TLDR of Death of the Author. From oxfordhomeschooling: "a literary theory that argues that the meaning of a text is not determined by the author's intention, but rather by the reader's interpretation" Me quoting Emil Pagliarulo, *_Fallout 3, 4, and 76's Lead Writer,_* is a good example of Death of the Author's point. That a writer can claim he wrote the Great American Novel (Fallout 3 and Fallout 4's main quests) but then also shows physical proof that readers find it boring and tore the pages to make paper airplanes to amuse themselves (ignoring the main quest to do sidequests, make settlements, install mods), must then mean that the writer _is lying_ about his work being The great american novel and its quality. To me, that sounds like it describes Appeal To Authority and why its not an argument. That if the story tells its thing, but then the author says it actually tells something completely different and unrelated, then **** the author because he's just plain wrong or a troll. So you saying that the common interpration of DotA is "the wall around the keep" and that its "fundamentally wrong". I'm sorry, but I need a bit more explanation from you for that one.
@@DJWeapon8 First, the "Great American Novel" thing is an out-of-Universe opinion. Death of the Author (which I keep spelling out as Death of the Author because some smartass will make a comment about Defense of the Ancients) is about in-Universe facts of the story or its "meaning". The contention is that the "meaning" and intent can be two separate things which is a needlessly metaphysical explanation for something that can be explained with "author is an incompetent moron". The quality of the story is entirely a different matter. The crowd of people that crying about "Media Literacy" claims that they divine a secret meaning to a story that coincidentally aligns with their worldviews. People keep citing Starship Troopers as if it proves Death of the Author when 1) It is an adaptation which means that they didn't write the thing from scratch. 2) Paul Verhoeven already said that the bugs attacked first and there is no evidence otherwise. Second, Death of the Author isn't about the author saying their interpretation of their story in social media long after it is published. The essay was written in 1967. Also, the concept of the author being able to lie is nothing new. The National hero of my country lied about the themes of one of his novels to go pass the Spanish censors.
@@MrSilentProtagonist the bugs did attack first, though. Both in the movie and in the novel. And the Terran Federation isn't fascist. *_Maybe_* in the most clinical dictionary definition, but as a typical fascist government, hell no. Movie Terran Federation looks like the US Constitution but voting and holding office needs to be earned only after volunteering for genuine public service. And after reading the essay and watching several analysis videos about it. Death of the Author from how I understand it is the concept that once a writer has a work of fiction they released to the public, there are no longer any take-backsies. That any other work of fiction they release following it in the same fictional universe must then conform to rules of the universe and the characterization they wrote before it, unless there's a damn good in-universe reason not to. In simpler terms, like you said. "The author can't be an incompetent moron." And from what I'm getting at. You're tired and annoyed by pop culture tourists defending slop by saying "The Director said it was good!", "But its just like the games when you do stupid things, so the stupid things in the show are good, too!". And man, we Creetosis viewers are tired and annoyed by that, too. Maybe more than you. Believe me.
24:19 Ten years of "cousin stuff"? Lucy is supposed to be in her early twenties or teens. This is significantly worse than i remembered. The math is not kind to this scene.
This show is basically like this: Imagine going to Vault 11... The story of that place is just as it always was, tragic serious and sad... but instead of the tone being consistent like it is in the main game, there were holotapes added on which the vault dwellers were describing how they were sucking each other off and do other goofy ass shit, and you needed to interact with those because those contained important information and hints regarding the history of the place. And it wouldn't be just one such holotape. There would be more, in every room as the tone of the Vault 11 keeps changing from depressing, dark and serious to goofy, comical and satirical.
Fallout 3 may have taken a step in a different direction for the gameplay and tone. And while it could be argued that it was good or bad or somewhere in between, it was at least a step in a certain direction. Fallout New Vegas took the time to slowly make its way back to the original path while making sure to push the advancements of what came before forward and even taking into account some of the changes of Fallout 3. Fallout 4 saw this and took a couple of steps back onto a simpler, more mass market friendly trail, while erasing alot of the progress New Vegas had made. And while I and many other fans heavily disagree with those steps, we can see the logic behind them as awful as they may be. The Fallout live action series took its pants off, shaved random parts of its head, dribbled drool down its chin and proceeded to run back to the start of the journey then scribbled all over the road map and proceeded to defecate it's way toward an obviously terrible new direction. Anyone thinking this show is true to Fallout needs to have their head checked, it isn't even true to Bethesda Fallout.
Fallout 3 was an amazing game that OG Fallout fans didn’t appreciate. Everyone loves to worship Bethesda for Oblivion and Skyrim but for some reason the FO game they made at the same time with basically the same team….sucks? No, it just released to a tough fanbase used to a different style, it still got GOTY easily and to this day does many things better than New Vegas (% to succeed skill checks rather than hard skill limits and random encounters let the world breathe so much better than the Mojave.) Now with all the slop from modern TV and modern Bethesda I think its time to recognize that FO3 was a GREAT and AUTHENTIC fallout experience next to 76 or certainly the show, or even FO 4 lmao
@@DeepStateMarxistI couldn’t disagree more. Fallout 3 was just another step down the direction of poor writing & world building that Bethesda still continues to put into their games. There were plenty of people that disliked aspects of Oblivion & ESPECIALLY Skyrim. They continued dumbing down their games to make them more accessible because that means more money. Nothing wrong with that I guess if you don’t care for what your original fans care about. Also I don’t see how you could think the speech system in 3 is even remotely more well done than in NV. The amount of options alone with actually having more skills & perks usable in dialogue seems way more along the lines of letting the world breathe. Even if you build your character a certain way, you’ll miss checks here & there, but also find super niche options that some people might never find. I just find that infinitely better, especially since a percentage chance to succeed/fail in 3 just feels so bad to me personally. I feel like it breeds people that want to save scum all of their checks instead of just giving people multiple set options to get through a dialogue scenario like NV does.
@@DeepStateMarxist My first Fallout game was FO3 and I loved it at the time. Then I went on my CRPG kick some time later and I can't really defend it as a Fallout game after playing 1 and 2, they even have more replay value. I'll probably never replay FO3. My first Elder Scrolls game was Morrowind and I genuinely loved it even before learning English while Oblivion was kind of a disappointment and Skyrim was even more so. Oblivion had some fun stuff and a couple of decent quests, but the setting was blander than cardboard and the story wasn't much to write home about. Skyrim was just so boring that I kinda dropped it at some point and never finished it.
Something pointed out by a youtuber called ItsYaBoyBrandyBoy concerning that Thaddeus scene where he was missing is that he wasn't even firing the gun correctly. This is because he was wildly slamming the middle section of his finger against the trigger. This arguably makes the scene worse since he is part of a militaristic organization. One of the first that should be taught in such an organization is basic firearm handling.
That meat grinder prosthetic scene was absolutely unnecessary because the hydra drug literally exist in Fallout's universe, and it clearly describes that it can regrow severed limbs but slowly. Bethesda doesn't even know their own lore!
actually it doesnt regrow severed limbs it just fixes broken tissue basically your muscles get replaced with a huge mushroom growth thats why it requires fungus to be crafted in new vegas
I think amazon used bots to boost the initial online perception of this show because (thankfully) a lot of people realized how ass it is changed their tune on it relatively quickly
Personally my pet peeve is making them (The brotherhood of Steel) spout nonsense latin phrases... "Ad Victoriam" ad my ass. They've never spoken latin before or since.
finally people are realizing how dumb the show is? the franchise died and lost it's soul when it was bought by Bethesda. FNV was a light in the dark but that's it, never again
Finally completed after a few days. Overall, a fabulous breakdown. Would love one of the "fan" channels to try to reply to this, but that certainly won't happen. Obviously the discourse has died down over this show, but I genuinely can't understand why some "series fans" claimed this show was so good, let alone tolerable. The only rationalization I can come to is they are shills that just want content and are scared to criticize the show, and by extension, Bethesda, or they are of so low intelligence that "whoa that's a Nuka-Cola bottle, and a YAO GUAI!!!" are enough to make them believe it's quality and well-written. It's petty, but one of the most annoying parts of this show is lore channels incorporating it into their videos, despite it requiring headcanon to do so. What are you gonna do, I guess. If anybody knows any channels that correctly don't acknowledge this show, please share (if one doesn't exist, I'm sure there's a market for a PROPER lore channel on this series). But overall, I suspect I'll have to move on from this series and just stick with fond memories of what could have been. At least New Vegas CAN work as an end for the franchise.
Timecodes:
Intro: 0:00
Maximus I 10:04
Lucy 23:07
The Ghoul I 36:09
The Boss Fight 37:44
Lucy and the Ghoul 53:52
Maximus II 1:15:56
Lucy and Maximus 1:43:36
The Ghoul II 2:23:57
Norm: 2:32:22
Cooper Howard 2:45:25
The Nexus of Stupidity 2:53:59
The Second Pass 4:31:48
Absurd Conveniences 6:20:38
The Dialogue and "Humor" 6:24:56
The Characters 6:30:44
Conclusion 6:45:23
These chapter titles are interesting. I'm especially looking forward to "absurd conveniences" and the part about the "humor" of this show.
stellar video. i give it 10/ Todd Howards out of 10
27:00 I think it is worse as other pointed out, 3 times a year not every 3 years.
38:50
Uhmm actually the real life ar15 uber killer hyper murder assault rifle also uses minature Nukes as ammunition.
I thought that was common knowledge.
I think that this tv series is about multiplayer session of a video game. 4 player characters and their wacky adventures. I liked it, because I never even thought that it should be realistic. When you see it as a 4 player multiplayer session of a video game then all those stupid things will start to get sense and you could enjoy the ride. Ghoul could take all those damage to the back because he had high number of HP. Enclave guy was a random encounter of Lucy before he was important to the storyline in first town. Maximus got chosen by random because he was the only player character in BoS storyline. Small dude in Vault could finish the quest about knowing the truth about 3 vaults, because he was a player character. And so on.
Thanks for the content. I will watch it fully. Writing this during Lucy and the Ghoul.
I still don't understand why Bethesda thinks building civilization is boring. You can't fucking have an eternal post-apocalypse. The post-post apocalypse can be even way more exciting. And the post-post-post apocalypse even more so! Where did this notion that adventure is gone unless its a virgin world or a slate wiped clean come from!?
This has been a franchise wide issue, too. The NCR was a massive target by everybody simply because they were advancing too far and ensuring that civilization would return.
This is why I think games set very early on in Fallout would be the best option, because the closer to the nukes you get, the more chances you have for that post-nuclear crap hole that everybody who makes these games seems to want.
Short answer: I think it's a subconscious desire to retun to monke based on how soul crushing modernity is mixed with the romanticized past as a security blanket with the whole 50's nostalgia aesthetic. I'm positive it isn't being thought about that deeply as that would be giving them too much credit especially given the consistently very surfacey design philosophy of their works but I do think that's where the desire comes from.
Long answer: There's no frontiers anymore the Earth's landmass is all mapped and we've all but abandoned space travel and deep ocean exploration, the modern world is also so agonizingly restrictive basically designed to beat the human spirit into submission by tying their hands at every turn unable to act or fight to control one's own fate, with the beuracratic machine being too big too powerful and to interconnected for any one person to destroy, making an apocalypse that just violently and karmically obliterates the modern world and gives us a fresh start and a real taste of dangerous freedom we have only ever heard about but never actually experienced complete with newly made frontiers to explore with just enough familiarity to not be truly alien is tantalizing beyond words and I think that desire is actually what drives a lot of the appeal behind the post apocalyptic media.
Societal advancement which is what post post apocalypse and onward inevitably brings also means the reintroduction of a lot of the problems with the modern world even if gradually which neccessarily means less of the chaotic freedm of a truly fresh start, it can be just as if not more interesting but it's definitely a different appeal and it can hit a lot closer to home with those who are so beaten down by modernity, especially with how political intrigue and interpersonal dare I say femenized ways of handling conflicts gradually replaces the more simplistic might makes right unga bunga caveman style of the beginning.
It's not just newer or post apocalypse media that has themes of how the advancement of society inevitably consequentially strips the soul out of things especially as the frontiers to conquer run out, King Kong had some themes about that with how after discovering the "8th wonder of the world" he is almost immediately brought low, captured, commodified and subsequently killed by the modern world, and that's from all the way back in the 30's
I get why they would prefer that setting as writers. That's fair. But then just set your show in that time, just elsewhere. Doesn't even have to be that far away, you can set it in like San Diego at some point, close enough to have the BoS and the NCR and such around, but still be a new location.
Bc they live in a virgin world 🥁
That would require them to create a proper city and landscapes that seem like more than 10 people live there 😂 Bethesda can't have that.
you don't understand, this is the perfect video game adaptation. the contrived plot, the inconsistancies, the stupid characters, the obligatory plot twists, the messing up the lore of the games, it's just like a bethesda fallout game.
Correction: It's just like a Bethesda *game. Even with their original IPs, they make these same mistakes.
When you put it like that... I can't help but agree. This is perfectly Canon to Bethesda's Fallout.
And remember, everybody, that TiM cAiN lIkEs IT. That means stop having a different opinion!
I don't even get why it had to be tied in to New Vegas. Was this some covert confession that even East-coast writers think the East-coast is fucken boring
@@BaconMinion Honestly I think Tim is just being nice, as he usually is. He only brought himself to say he disliked the lack of end slides for Fallout 3 after the fact, so there is no reason to think he'd look to get into shitfights now either
“If you remove all the Fallout stuff from Fallout 4, all you’re left with is a terrible game”, well Starfield does prove that.
I still do not understand how a man can be fat in a vault which rations their food every day.
some people just have a low metabolism like that, it's probably a combination of low metabolism and little/no exercise meaning that even with a rationed diet he maintains a calorie surplus
@@involuntaryascetic3602 Fat fingers typed this post.
That's just not true@@involuntaryascetic3602
luck stat of >7 and blackjack for sweetrolls
@@involuntaryascetic3602it doesn't work like that m8
They're scared of trying to be serious, if they make everything a joke then no one can make fun of them for trying to be sincere.
Gen-Xers deploying Millennial humor in service of face-mugging nihilism.
A classic hack writer mistake. Yes you avoid being mocked for being serious and failing, instead you invite being mocked for trying to be funny and failing, which is FAR more cringe and frustrating to sit through.
@@samwellcheck562 It signals quite a defeatist attitude, too.
I said it then and I say it now: These guys should have been given a Borderlands show to make if they wanted a silly Wild West playground.
Well, don't worry, a different team took Borderlands and made total cinematic crap out of it, after the devs were done destroying it.
no they shouldnt have been given anything except for mcdonald's aprons for their new jobs because they suck
@@billjacobs521 I still can't believe AVA is the head of the fucking Crimson raiders.
I've started to suspect that Bethesda is afraid of Microsoft handing the Fallout IP to a different developer. By resetting the West Coast and making the show canon, i suspect they intend to force another developer to make a new title in the same "style" as Bethesda. It would explain why the NCR was effectively erased and the new town made of scrap piles.
Man if it were me in charge of the Fallout IP I'd do an Elon Musk.
Stating that:
Due to the incoherent nature of the stories, settings, lore and worldbuilding between themselves and within a title all on its own, it has been decided that the only practical way forward for the Fallout IP is to consider all titles exclusively made by Bethesda as Non-Canon.
And then announce a "Spin-Off" Fallout game set concurrent to New Vegas. As a gritty urban "post-post-apocalypse" role playing game set in the thriving city of Shady Sands, New California Republic. Rife with political intrigue, government corruption, and crime syndicates.
@@Mirthful_Midori Bethesda has already done this to The Elder Scrolls, which does indicate that nothing matters to them...
@@Aguriasu It would really suck if TES VI watered the experience down even more, bonus points if the seals clap like idiots because it's TES at all… almost like being threatened into praising China or dying.
@@Aguriasu I don't know. I'm pretty sure a lot of the OG devs of those studios are gone. I'm not sure they would turn out the kind of quality game we expect them to. Outer Worlds was excessively average.
@@AguriasuI don’t know. Obsidian has cycled out 97% of the staff that worked on New Vegas by now, and the Outer Worlds was an attempt to ride on said reputation.
It was excessively… a video game. Not ground breaking, not absolutely terrible. Which means they would do much of the same if they attempted another post apocalyptic role playing game, sadly. But at least that answers the Ship of Theseus question.
You know what I think is actually happening here? When we criticized the direction taken in 3 and then they got dog walked on NV they got their feelings hurt and have just been having a decade long hissy fit
that is actually happening
todd keeps saying that he respects vegas yes does everything to ruin real fallouts
As soon as Hank said "we have to wipe out factions" I knew this show had one purpose: de-canonize the only good Fallout game produced by Bethesda which was famous in part due to its faction system
Given how petty corporations have shown themselves to be these past few years that honestly makes a lot of sense...
They absolutely got humiliated by New Vegas and old (good) Obsidian. When I saw it happen back in the day, I naïvely thought, "Obsidian showed them how to do it, now they will have to rise to the standard and Fallout 4 will be awesome!"
Oh, what a sweet summer child I was. They took the absolute wrong lesson from it all, and have spent every year since full of resentment and bitterness. This is their attempt at revenge, no doubt.
It won't work. Real fans reject their slop.
@@BobSmith-kk4kp fallout 4 was surely a step down in terms of plot but over all it was pretty cool for what it was. i honestly dont think bethesda had any bad intention, but the inconsistencies were there like the vault filled with jet that was made specifically after the war from brahmin shi so it was rather contradictory. I wish it was better but i dont like to say bethesda bad, obsidian good, since i have many fond memories of fallout 4.
Love the profile btw. yo mf threw me into the jail in junktown after i saved his ahh. 😅
I hate how this series is a big summary of what Fallout is nowadays:
a nonsensical world that never evolves or debates its themes, full of jokes and generic stereotypes that only serve to make us laugh and feed the great stereotype that is this franchise.
It's a fallout themed rollercoaster, aahh ghoul!! omg look a deathclaw!!! classic songs!! aah!!
Honestly, I don't need an 8 hour video explaining to me why the show is bad. I know why the show is bad. What I need is an 8 hour video explaining to me why people are defending this shit.
Cuz you know.. pip boy and shit... and nuka cola
Because it has the feel of fallout 🤓. This show was made for tourists that enjoy appeal, not The soul behind something
@@tremulous2830if Tim Cain liked it that’s enough for me to tell you to stop being a buzzkill
@@DrMonkey1224Tim Cain liked it, he never said it was Good, Tim Cain also hasn't worked on Fallout for over 25 years, most of the credit to the masterful lore of the Franchise should go to Chris Avelone, Josh sawyer, Mark O'Green and John Gonzales.
@@DrMonkey1224oh yeah the guy who sold out for bethesda and got referenced in the show and who is always invited to everything that is bethesda fallout related and also a friend of most of the people who made the show. I wonder why he said he liked the show 🤔
I find it so interesting how journalists tried to get Lucy's actress to denounce the games' canon when she herself liked playing the games in preparation for her role.
Of course, there's not much she can do about the terrible writing and direction.
they did? seems like people who actualy care are being beaten down on all sides
Typical journalist behaviour. Gamers are evil, and anything gamers like (i.e. games) are also evil by association.
I remember that, another urinalist moment
Interesting, yes
I didn't know that no wonder people simp for UwUcy. RPGs are 100% a great choice for lady gamers. Planescape Torment can have 20 minute text dialogues it's great. In my job I've had to deal with romance novels. They have better sounding plots then modern marvel movies but yes that's not a high bar to clear. What if son went missing but cop who helps is your ex you shunned you???? See that's a movie right there.
I still can't get over how the master didn't find this trio vault of prime people when he lived down the road
He found them and said "f that, I dont want THEM as my mutant servants"
@@Brandelwyn I don't think the Master exists in this TV show's canon... But maybe Todd Howard disagrees because he feels he somehow has to be the arbiter
Just like in Fallout 1, The Lieutennant looked at the "prime normals", then heard them speak and lost all excitement.
@@TheBreakingBenny why wouldn't it? The show is cannon, didn't they say that like multiple times?
@@supershot97291. Death of the Author.
2. Argument From Authority
If a work of fiction belonging to a franchise contradicts the vast majority of its previous titles' events, it is then practical to deem that work of fiction as not part of the franchise it claims to belong to. Lest the rest of the franchise be made into an irreconcilable mess.
I wouldn't care as much about the haphazard handling of the lore if the show was set on the East Coast or in an entirely new location. It almost feels like the show wanted to mess with the lore solely for the sake of it.
That's what I and many people thought aswell. That they decided to make this garbage on purpose to piss off the fans.
That's exactly what happened. They literally and metaphorically nuked the old lore
The worst part of it is that it likely wasn't done out of malice, and that it was just done out of sheer hubristic incompetence; they want their iconic and marketable goofy wasteland aesthetic and setting, and didn't want to deal with the established lore getting in the way of that, so they made up a paper-thin excuse to remove the NCR from Los Angeles.
the people who made fun of you for liking the things you like are now in charge of it
Thanks to Bethesda, the Brotherhood had a formation walk all the way from California to Pittsburg, have a split, walk to the Pentagon, become guardians of the common people, fly to Boston, become violently technophilic while also coveting technology, then flying all the way back to California and become Human supremicists.
The Fallout show is a genuine conundrum. If you know NOTHING about Fallout, then the little pokes and hints at the lore will go over your head, and you'll presumably feel confused and annoyed at the inside jokes. If you're a fan of the games like New Vegas and such, this show is like watching someone take your beloved household pet, filet, flay and fornicate with it, put on its' sopping crimson hide, crawl around nude making animal noises and then roll over expecting belly rubs. Maybe if you're a specific kind of fan on the spectrum or love. The ones that like 3, 4 and 76 JUST enough to spend money and clap at 'member berries, but not enough to have any stake in the games, so changing it is just fine and no issue.
Perhaps this is the mass audience. Tourists walking through an amusement park where every fifth-world shanty town has a different dumb gimmick, where everything is saltine thin and puddle deep, where they see references to current year politics for cheap emotional attachment and all that other stuff. Instant oatmeal with high fructose corn syrup and fent. Quick to inhale, addictive slop that lights up your brain with the sparkly chemicals and you forget about it in a few hours until you get your bowl again.
The 'mass audience' is not stupid, look at the reception of the second Joker movie. It's just incredibly susceptible to manipulation and the like. Especially the type of mental gymnastics it takes to think Fallout is a good show and not Nickleodeon level slop
even if you know nothing about fallout the show is complete unredeemable trash
how can these people claim it's good
Don't insult people on the Spectrum by comparing them to this garbage
@ autocorrect got me bad, my apologies. I’m also on that spectrum, I meant a spectrum of love, with one end being the super fan who talks about the lore all day and buys and maybe produces fan memorabilia, and the other is the fair weather fan that shrugs and lets whatever happen as long as it’s popular, semi-flavored slop you can consume while barely conscious.
My friend watched it with his wife, I can definitely say he's not a stupid bloke, quite on the contrary, but he ate it up like a bowl of ice cream, held high praises for it, which just made me roll my eyes. He had no knowledge of actual Fallout lore. It was quite perplexing to watch the same guy shit on the quality of the later seasons of The Boys, another Amazon slop, I guess everyone has their blind spots if the show becomes appealing in some way.
Hey Creetosis, you have to admit that you were wrong about one thing when you were predicting the show. That Bethesda would retcon things out of incompetence instead of malice.
They're too dumb to be malicious
Eh, I think it's both.
ghoul serum is retconned it the same fucking episode it's introduced out of incompetence
@@sadfrostnoises9191 it requires some level of brain activity to begin to have the concepts of malice
if a cat figures out it can use one of its claws to cut a bag of cat food open to eat as much as it wants, it's not malice, it's just doing that to satisfy a basic impulse to eat
malice is two levels beyond, it's causing harm to something because it slighted you in some way in the past, in a way that isn't entirely direct, so in this case, the cat would have to start opening shelves and pushing glasses out to crash to the floor because you took too long to give it its food.
but if the cat just starts breaking glasses until you get it food, it's likely because it associated the act of breaking stuff as a way to get food.
Malice is basically punishment for past percieved slights, accompanied with the idea that doing these will bring them positive outcomes
@@jujuteuxOfficial You do not have to be smart to be malicious
I think Fallout New Vegas had the best balance of comedy and tragedy. There are several factions that have expansive lore that all have great motivations and philosophies, the world has establishments but still has a chaotic wasteland that will take advantage if you aren't in top shape. There's mature topics such as, SA, drug addiction, suicide, putting people out of their misery in percieved mercy, slaughter of women and children and most of it sadly has logcial reasoning behind it.
All the while you have a man who thinks he's a ghoul, a giant talking to a deer skull, a man that perfectly summarizes all of his own problems and then proceeds to make a 180 on a life of cooking for cannibals, a PimpBoy, a child saying he can see the bullet in the chamber when you aim at him, and an entire wacky DLC that never fails to put a smile on my face. The reason the comedy works so well is because the best jokes are grounded by reality and don't stop you feeling immersed, it feels just like any other part of the world.
The only reason I liked this show is one character, and how it proves the Fallout Universe can be adapted. We just need writers on par or just get Chris Avellone.
Chris Avellone could probably have made this TV show good, but Jonathan Nolan and Graham Wagner recoil in horror if you ask them for quality.
Only a real fallout fan would wade through 25 copyright strikes just to deliver the truth
I think that's the most they can do to try silencing him while doing it legally, because otherwise they would face consequences.
Acerthorn would not get far if he tried to kill Creetosis.
Actually what he is doing here is a obscure youtube technique called the copyright-lock, where his ad revenue (if applicable) instead of going directly to the first copy-right holder, is held in escrow until the copyright situation can be sorted out, where a live person looks at the situation and determines it falls under fair use. I guess it can also shield against DMCA attacks.
Cree is a gigachad
@@steakdriven no just a raging autist with fallout and equivilating everything to newvegas. He's just another newvegas fan boy like everyone here. But it's fine cause he watch everything g Bethesda got its money and got an award for the show so yall can cry more about what you think.
I'm so mad they destroyed the NCR. Why is civilization so bad to these writers?
According to the writers, the objective was to avoid having the end of "the Wild West". They actually said that once a telephone or car arrived in town, the Wild West was dead, so to preserve the "post apocalyptic feel" they killed off what budding civilizations there were in the lore. Expect them to do it again in Season Two with New Vegas.
@Calbeck They are so dumb. That is what fallout was from the very beginning with fallout 1 and 2. People rebuilding, now it's just trashed and I'm sick of this endless regression.
@@Calbeck That's like the most retreaded way to pull off the concept anyway. New Vegas excelled at the wild west themes of the series(some say too much~!) and ironically the Mojave even as a contested territory at war is arguably one of the most civilized regions of the wastes.
Haven't seen something as incompetant as that since i had known a friend writer of mine trying to turn his nobledark setting into a grimdark one which caused people to stop coming to his RP sessions.
They want to keep a Mad Max setting and it isn’t Fallout without it
@@dyliokhan3946 Fallout is NOT mad max though. There had been conflicts between factions and ideologies since the very beginning, and were the highest quality narrative aspects of any of the titles worth a damn.
Season 2 will be filled to the brim with New Vegas member berries and retcons. The Courier will show up and get humiliated by the Ghoul cause Bethesda hates Obsidian that much
And for people who doubt that Bethesda hates Obsidian, Bethesda has turned down *multiple* pitches for both New Vegas sequels and Elder Scrolls spin offs
That doesn't necessarily prove Bethesda hates obsidian if anything it shows they view it as a sacred cow if Bethesda wanted to they could easily make a buck milking new Vegas dry @@Slender_Man_186
nah
season 2 will be filled with vegas memberries but everyone will be dead and everything will be destroyed while being humiliated or made snarky comments at
That chapter of bos now will have an entire army because yes
Nah bro, the ghoul won't do anything to C6. If C6 will appear at all and not be already dead and have his/her grave urinated upon then he/she will become canonised as an insufferable girlboss at first, but will later display internalised misogyny, and Lucy is gonna girlboss all over C6 and have them repent and become a rainbow mafia ally and adherent. I'm calling it now.
You dont understand Cree, its a space child about movies for wizards.
You don't understand, Cree, It's a child move about wizards for space
You don't understand Wizard, it's a movie space about children for Cree.
You don't understand Child, it's a space movie about Cree for Wizards
Your face is a space wizard for movies... agh nevermind! I lost my rhythm
Fallout has always been about the Jellymolds and if you say otherwise you have no m e d i a l i t e r a c y !
The fact that Bethesda's own meme DLC (Mothership Zeta) understands that who started the war is completely irrelevant (conversation between Soma and Elliot) while this idiotic show went "CaPiTaLiSm bAd" is just mind-boggling.
Partially agree. Zeta also tells us that the aliens started the war. Hmm...I should have included that in the video.
@@Creetosis I only remember one holotape where one officer almost tells the codes
@@vitanera4032 The implication is that he can'y resist and eventually gives in.
@ mmmmmm it’s a bit weak one, considering we dont know if the aliens understand our language and also considering that (if I remember correctly) the codes of nukes are changed every week.
Still I can see why it’s shouldn’t never been added to the fallout lore.
@@vitanera4032
The codes to the nukes was literally 0000 for multiple decades in real life.
How can lucy cut off Ghoul's finger with a bite if he has bones strong enough to endure a hit from a power armor ?
@@roozbeh6999 Plot convenience, and nothing else...
Technically you can bite off someone's finger without going through bone
Because it's two different types of force, applied in entirely different ways? I mean, it's canon that Ghouls regularly lose body parts constantly. This shit is like asking "How can Kevlar stop a bullet, but not a knife stab?", and would be written off as bad writing if put in a piece of media.
@@therobustempyrean1436 If the power armor punch can't break his bones then how can a bite generate enough force to break them to cut off the fingers ? . I don't think the kevlar example is similar to this one but I may be wrong
@@utes5532 But wouldn't that expose the entire bone ?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Why not both?
Clarke's version applies here: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
"I BEGGED YOU I BEGGED YOU TO NOT MAKE A 7 HOUR VIDEO ON FALLOUT I BEGGED YOU" _Boogie Howard
I begged him as well, and I agree with him.
"IM NOT USED TO THIS LEVEL OF SCRUTINY, IM NOT USED TO THIS LEVEL OF SCRUTINY"
_Bod Goward
Bet this video twitted his tipples
@@patrickbateman312twitted*
@@ali18y84 good catch lol
This show was so weird because it was legitimately such a poorly written show with bad pacing and characters but was still somehow critically acclaimed. Not a good sign for the future of the franchise if this is the slop people think is good
I originally posted this under an EFAP highlight, but I feel like it needs to be said here
Regarding the lore and Shady Sands, one thing everyone misses in this conversation is that the NCR is basically Fallout’s equivalent to the New Republic in Star Wars, except a lot worse. The New Republic is Luke, Han and Leia’s legacy, and Star Wars fans were understandably pissed when everything they accomplished was undone in TFA in a single scene. The same is true in Fallout except YOU are Luke, the NCR was founded at the end of Fallout 1 as a direct result of the Player’s actions, but unlike the New Republic which doesn’t get elaborated on or explored we see the NCR grow, in Fallout 2 Shady Sands has a statue of the first game’s player character right in the center of the city and the Republic has a confirmed population of 700k, new buildings are going up, pre-war cars are being repaired, and new roads are being paved. By New Vegas they’ve annexed more cities and have had another 40 years of growth, it’s safe to say the NCR has a total of 1million citizens by that point, it’s existed for 100 years and has the following settlements under its control: Shady Sands itself, Boneyard which is home to the Followers of the Apocalypse University, Junktown and The Hub which are the two other founding members, Necropolis and Dayglow which are two entire Ghoul cities, Vault City and Arroyo which are GECK paradises, as well as Gecko, San Fran, San Diego, Redding, and New Reno.
And then this damn show comes in, it plops Shady Sands where Boneyard should be, off-screens it, acts like the several other cities within the NCR don’t even exist, and writes off the entire NCR as “it didn’t work out.” Even just the idea that Shady Sands itself only had 35k residents is laughable, but what this show does is a slap in the face to the fans.
Interesting comparison - it seems obvious, but I don't remember anyone comparing NCR with Republic from Star Wars. But the problem is somewhat deeper. NCR has no real fans, their fan base is literally astroturfed. After the release of New Vegas, people believed for thirteen years that NCR was a post-apocalyptic superpower, which was fueled by old developers who gave NCR undeservedly great advantages. Not only did they find GECK, but they gained a population of millions, which was partly backpedaled in New Vegas, where NCR suffered 100 casualties at the Hoover Dam and this became the reason for the memorual. I.e. if NCR had maintained the same population by the time of Vegas, such losses would have been considered insignificant. But thats not the point.
The old developers love NCR too much, so they even gave them working trucks, as one of the old developers mentioned in his twitter post. Although there is no mention of this in the game and if NCR had working transport, they would not use Brahmins at all. But that didn't stop fans from imagining that NCR had TANKS and stuff. If NCR had such equipment, they wouldn't need the Courier, don't you think? But that didn't stop fans, as Frontier showed, which was the peak of NCR fan fantasy. But the problem is that after passing this peak, people began to lose interest in NCR and were ready to “sell” their favorite faction for the opportunity to get a generic show with generic Mary Sue. This, to me, is an indicator that quantity does not mean quality. Instead of boycotting Bethesda and demanding that the show be decanonized, NCR fans swallowed it when corrupt tubers gave them headcanon explanations. Therefore, now you can see comments from the category “NCR was always weak, bruh”, which have not appeared for thirteen years. NO ONE thought that way before the show.
@@ahoramazda6864 Literally everything you just said seems to have been something you invented in your own head. You even complain about the DEVELOPERS doing exactly what you say they don't. Get that jelly mold outta here.
@@Calbeck, Wha? I just gave clear examples of the inconsistency of the old developers who clearly sympathized with NCR as their favorites, and give them many advantages, even if this makes no sense. They gave NCR a population of over a million in Fallout 2, which makes the conflict with Vault City laughable considering VC only has a population of a hundred people (not counting slaves). To put it simply - the old developers are obsessed with NCR just like Bethesda is obsessed with the Brotherhood of Steel, which hinders them creatively.
If NCR has worker transport as Chris Avellone said (if I'm not mistaken) why is it not mentioned anywhere in the game and they still use Brahmins? If NCR has such a large population, why don't they just zergrush House and Legion?
I've played Fallout games back to back, so moments like this are more noticeable to me than to players who judge NCR and other factions based on jumbled memories.
@ahoramazda6864 ok you already lost me with "NCR has no real fans, their fan base is literally astroturfed." I don't think you know what that word means, that's like saying the fanbase for The Empire in The Elderscrolls is astrotufed, they're basically the protagonist faction. Players will naturally enjoy seeing an already likeable faction grow due to their actions, the only thing that changed with New Vegas was the number of people who were exposed to the West Coast lore. Frankly, if any faction has an astroturfed fanbase, it'd be the BoS who've been artificially elevated by Bethesda. In Fallout 1 they were a bunch of dogmatic isolationists, your first interaction with them is being sent out of a sewer-slide mission just because their gate guards wants you to stop bothering him, meanwhile you're just trying to warn the BoS of the very serious threat The Master and his super mutants pose to everyone. In Fallout 2 we see the consequences of their stubborn ways, they've started to stagnate and die out, it's pretty easy to beat the game without even coming across them, they're just too content with hiding away in their bunkers and trying to wait out the apocalypse meanwhile everyone else is already forming new societies from the ashes. Then suddenly Fallout 3 comes in, throws the BoS on the other ass end of the country, with no explanation as to how a faction that was in decline could spare the resources and manpower needed to traverse 3,000 miles of post apocalyptic wasteland, and they're suddenly these super duper good guys who've dedicated themselves to protecting people who they previously looked down on, their growth and elevation as Bethesda's protagonist fraction couldn't be any more blatantly artificial if they tried, they even got nonsensical over the top super weapons like Liberty Prime and The Prydwen solely because Todd wanted to jerk them off.
As for your point about "if they had maintained their population growth, 100 soldiers dying in a single battle would be insignificant," this is actually insane. If 100 US soldiers died today in some military operation in Iran, would that suddenly be considered "insignificant" just because the US has a total population of over 350 million? Hell no, people were pissed when only 13 servicemen died during our withdrawal from Afghanistan, and the NCR is far more similar to the US than it is to say the WW2 era USSR who were basically throwing bodies into a meat grinder hoping it would jam. Not to mention, a lot of the soldiers the NCR lost during the Battle of Hoover Dam were the Rangers at Boulder, where the monument actually is, of course the NCR was going to mourn the loss of some of their best who bravely sacrificed themselves to stop the Legion's advance and win the battle.
Regarding "if they had vehicles, they wouldn't be using Brahmin for transportation," you do realize the industrialization and mechanization of an entire country doesn't suddenly happen all at once, right? To go back to WW2, even in the 1940s a lot of militaries were still using horses for their logistics, and frankly the NCR isn't even at a WW2 level of development. Sure they have working cars and their president even has his own Vertibird, but those are still luxury items, the player's car in Fallout 2 almost immediately gets stolen in New Reno due to how valuable it is, and I'm willing to bet Kimball's bird is a 40+ year old relic that the NCR got from Navarro. I'm not saying the NCR is out here building entirely new things (like how the east coast BoS somehow turned the scrap metal from the Enclave's land crawler, an already absurd vehicle, into a fucking airship), but they do have mechanics who are able to perform matenance on pre-war vehicles, we directly see this in Fallout 2, and as for NV we're on the very outskirts of NCR territory in that game (plus if we're being honest, and say what you will about The Frontier, it's a miracle that mod got moving vehicles to work in the Gamebryo engine). There's also the issue of resources, the pre-war US and China kinda fought a whole war due to the lack of resources, the earth would still be depleted even after 200 years, I doubt finding stable nuclear material (emphasis on the word "stable") after an apocalypse would be easy, if anything the quest Come Fly With Me shows that it could be dangerous trying to find unspent nuclear isotopes, and oil wouldn't just magically respawn back in the ground ready to be drilled up again.
You know what's worse? When you try to argue with friends and family about the NCR and all they say is: "I don't know the NCR so I don't care, Fallout Show good!" When asked why they aren't just playing New Vegas for example, they say.: "It looks old. Not gonna touch that."
You would forgive their actions if they would admit they know nothing about Fallout lore and can't possibly make a correct assessment and should therefore take the word of those who do. But *No,* they can't do that either. They just have to say that Fallout Show good because the pretty colors were pretty.
how to improve season 2:
1. Have a bunch of NCR rangers or NCR citizens show up in season 2 and basically explain that no shady sands wasn't destroyed it was a weird blood cult town ran by an old world commie that pretended to be shady sands.
2. Have the Ranger or the Midwest BoS (I know they weren't suppose to be canon, but I think it would cool) wipe out Maximus' BoS.
3. Kill Maximus.
4. Retcon the ghoul completely misremembering flashbacks involving the CEOs.
NGL this would work for the kind of """"""''humor""""""" the show is going for and for bringing back the proper feel of Fallout.
*tourist vision POV starts.*
New ultra serious faction shows up and derails all the drama the cast has went through with ridiculous ease. LOL
*tourist vision POV ends.*
Might I add a few things?
• NCR Rangers explain that the BoS we see are the last remnants of the faction. They couldn't hack it in the East Coast and brought the Prydwen back to California hoping to regroup with any West Coast chapters. Quickly having their ideology devolve into whatever the hell it is in the show now. And then finding out that the NCR has either eliminated or assimilated all known West Coast BoS chapters into the NCR Army in late 2281 after the events of New Vegas.
• Season 2 focuses on the NCR getting ready for war yet again. Because the Legion have returned and dirty bombed New Vegas like did Camp Searchlight. Revealing that the show is running off Neutral House Ending, where the Courier did as little damage to the NCR and the Legion as possible. Driving the NCR back to their heartland and the Legion back East. Which forced both of them to fix their issues.
The jaded veterans of the Mojave campaign rooting out most of the corruption in their government through popular coups.
Caesar having an epiphany and working to create a capital and a stable government in their territory before he dies with the mandate of finally eliminating the NCR once the Legion is able to.
• All 3 protagonists are going heavily affected by the reintroduction of the NCR.
Lucy is going to be assimilated into the NCR Army.
Maximus will be sent to a POW camp before he FAFOs.
Cooper will be captured by Legion Frumentarii and interrogated.
• A lot of season 2 would be subtly written exposition detailing the events after New Vegas and worldbuilding of the NCR and Legion. Especially what the NCR have done to adapt and how the Frumentarii view "profligates" and what the Legion values. Exploring the world and ethics of a post nuclear world. You know. *_The point of the Fallout games?_*
The Fallout has fallen, all the characters from season 1 must die
It's a shame so many people think this show is a masterpiece when it's a genuinely bad show from a writing level.
those aren't people
I've always been saying this is literally just "Fallout 4 The Show" (which means it's not good)
Because the vast majority of the viewerbase actually never played the games, so they have no reference to go to in order to understand how bad this show is, at least compared to Fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas.
If their goal was to make a show in the same vein as the Bethesda Fallouts, then good fucking job because they nailed how dumb, poorly written and poorly made Bethesda's entries in the series are.
ah yes "Tons of people loved this show, but I say it's bad so they're all wrong"
@@crust9889 billions of people eat McDonald's. That means McDonald's is the epitome of cuisine.
Fallout should not be a comedy. That is this show's greatest insult to the series. Fallout is a serious setting; the world is bleak, but the survivors carry on. There are moments of levity, absurdity, even humor. However, the seriousness of the setting remains intact. Ever since Fallout 3, Bethesda has forgone the seriousness of survival in a post-apocalyptic wasteland for wacky sci-fi shenanigans and side missions with joke characters. Not to mention the inclusion of cringey, derivative cosmic horror.
You need that narrative balance to have moments of humor actually land. You're basically just sensory overloading yourself to a point where you become numb if nothing is ever taken seriously.
@@queuedjar4578 Marvel-style humor should be avoided however, that shit's obnoxious and insufferable.
@@queuedjar4578 That's one of the problems with The Outer Worlds
Glad you touched on Sinclair's assassination. They really had to ruin hum of all people. Dead Money is such a great little story and they just had to shit all over it.
It's so random too. Why not make it Dr Klein? They already HAD a mad scientist who liked to perform experiments on unwitting people, who was from Big MT! Granted, that's not his real name, but they wouldn't care about details like that.
The copyright bot tried hard to prevent this video. Glade we finally got it!
Explain.
Never mind, I took 2 seconds to think about it
Yeah, this was just a stupid, fallout 4 themed series that gets away with being dumb af because 90% of the audience has little to no experience with fallout, superficial knowledge at best with FO4 or 76 being their main point of comparison.
So of course lots and lots of people would think it's great.
An asset flip in video form.
Fallout 4 is nowhere near as dumb as this awful show.
@@Desmond-DarkIt is close.
Don't worry they'll explain that all endings being canon was the cause of an interdimensional nuka-break. Just like in daggerfall.
I hate how likely this is to come true.
Ted Peterson and his Dragon Break consequences have been a disaster for the Bethesda race.
Wait is Daggerfall bad game? I wanted to get into it after so many years but your comment isn't reassuring 😅
@@danielsurvivor1372 It's the best in terms of role playing mechanics in the entire series. Especially with the DFUnity port it basically becomes the best canvas for RPG in the entire gaming space.
With hindsight, the Dragon Break was invented as a concept for Daggerfall, and unfortunately Bethesda is using it far too much as a crutch in basically all of their properties, but at the time it was an cool way to handle Daggerfall's story.
@@danielsurvivor1372 No, daggerfall in and of itself is a good game, the problem is what Bethesda chose to do with the possible endings of it once the dude who put together the original lore left the company. Since D.fall is a good game it has multiple possible endings and each ending affects the whole continent in one way or another. What Bethesda did is make every ending canon simultaneously, even the ones that contradict each other and called it a Dragonbreak.
"erm, creetosis! the heckin game awards, which has proven time and time again to be a popularity contest rather than a signifier of quality, gave this heckin show an award, so it looks like you're a heckin wrongchungus!!!"
"You are one them special folks aintcha?"
Wholesome 100 keanu chungus kind gold strangerino award material right here
Does anyone else smell burning plastic?
Rest in peace Fallout. Another franchise that got too big for its own good.
Really Fallout has been dead since 2008, got brought back for like a year in 2010, then got permanently killed in 2015.
touch grass
@@SSantanapng thanks for being an example of the new age fans that only played the newer Fallout games.
@@BasedSociety1 cry
@@SSantanapngAverage Bethesda fan spotted 🤣
It's amazing how everything Amazon touches turns to utter garbage.
And yes, I'm still counting Fallout, because while Bethesda did a whole lot of damage to the franchise, it pales compared to what Amazon did in just 8 episodes.
as a massive betheshit hater i think you might be right about that. this show almost makes 3 and 4 look decent by comparison... emphasis on almost
touch grass
@@SSantanapngHmmm, is that all you could muster? How Riveting.
@@SSantanapng baited (no)one award
"GET THAT JELLYMOLD OUT OF HERE"
Kino
You mean use my c@ck
I facepalmed so hard when that showed up. I had to pause the video.
@@SafeLlama24 wanna make Mike Hawk explode now?
Peak male performance that guy
I'm convinced the 3 writers behind this show didn't talk to each other and just picked up the story where the last guy stopped writing. No part of the plot feels cohesive.
Netflix calls it "second screen tv shows" basically you turn on the tv show while you go on your phone. All plot points have to be reinforced multiple times, anything that happens on the screen needs to be verbally communicated, the show needs to make multiple call backs every episode to what the plot is and how it is moving forward. You're basically meant to watch the show while cooking dinner, or doing homework. It's not meant to be analysed.
Maximus' left arm was in the right arm of the Power Armor as he was being pushed into it backwards.
How the fuck did he magic his thumb to the other side of his hand and slip into the glove in order to crush the guy's head?
@@beircheartaghaistin2332 I guess it's to call us stupid for paying attention...
He's double-jointed. All the joints. It was made very clear, how did you miss it? His name, Maximus, is obviously a reference to the fact that he is maximally-jointed. There are mutants in Fallout, therefore we can safely assume extremely specific mutant powers like this from the barest of theoretical references.
@@samwellcheck562 I think it's a joke
@@TheBreakingBenny Your sarcasm detector is broken, hopefully it's still under warranty.
@@ben-chan420 My assumption was that samwellcheck562 is joking, and if they are then the joke sucked.
The fact that there's people who thought this was good because it isn't "woke" shows just how they never actually cared about good writing. They're also just flat out wrong because this show won't stop with the surface level capitalism bad messaging. We have plenty of real world examples of corporations being comically evil but not like this.
i love how bethesda retcons its own retcons
Who needs consistency when you're Bethesda? Not Todd Howard, Pete Hines, nor Emil Pagliarulo!
@@TheBreakingBenny emil literally ruined a entire fallout 3 location because he wanted a funny side quest about superheroes
i forgot that city even exists in the game
@@czarnakoza9697 Yep, costumed dipshits larping in the streets like it's supposed to be comical...
@@czarnakoza9697 I don't blame you, it's a town that should only exist with Wild Wasteland mode enabled.
@@czarnakoza9697 And without those two and their BS, the whole town would have absolutely nothing going for it, nothing to even pretend to justify it's existence.
Why didn't everyone just hide in their refrigerators during the great war? Are they stupid? 🗿
They thought they could escape it by using smarter methods… except apparently, Fallout is a silly and stupid world thus Max is the only one who survives by ducking inside a fridge... which also has a hole in the back, and this entire thing was mocked immensely when Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull did it.
Then New Vegas referenced it and mocked it again… but then Bethesda does in fact use it. In other words, those people were "too smart" to live according to the TV show's writers and directors.
The Fallout show's widespread praise and approval from the masses is the 8th Wonder of the World in my mind. It's as fascinating as the great pyramids how people can think this show is good, but shows like Halo are bad. How do they think Halo was bad if they liked Fallout? They're quite similar to me in terms of how badly they treat the IP they're based on. None of my friends liked the Halo show, but they all liked Fallout? How is that possible? It's a Wonder of the World.
Because it's all in-the-moment emotional stings, which is what Emil writes for the games. Each individual piece seems fine on the face of it, until you compare to the rest of it and see where it falls apart. If you turn off your brain, the show is great - and that's the problem. Fallout was never meant to be "turn off your brain" content.
It's like telling me you have a peanut allergy while eating peanut butter by the spoonful
Honestly, I'd say it's because of the different focus. Halo is about the Master Chief and Cortana, two characters we all know and love for many years now. Even the most casual of fans will know these two and be hyped for them...and seeing Chief's asscheeks just ruins that. But every Fallout game except, to some degree, New Vegas, is about a setting, a premise, an atmosphere, a vibe--many casual fans don't really see any deeper than the iconography and general concept of shooting things in a wasteland, especially more recent fans of Fallout 4 and 76 where the games really descended into almost pure pew-pew (even Fallout 3 was better in that regard). So alot of people just don't see it. They don't care about the history, the geopolitics, the power dynamics, the ideology of different groups, the moral lessons, and so on, not in the way they care about the Master Chief being a stoic badass with cool armor that he never, even removes.
Much to my shame, i have to say i liked it on the first watch up to around episode 6, where i just got tired and started using my brain thinking how the hell are all the plots going to be addressed.
There is a couple of things that will make a fan give it the benefit of the doubt, chief among them being that its been 8 years since Far Harbor released. Fans will simply be starved for Fallout themed content. Similar thing happened to Star Wars. You might defend it out of sheer desperation alone.
Production value and props being good is also eye candy to deceive and seduce.
As to the halo point... Well id say Halo's core is Master Chief himself, that wasnt up to snuff so the show was easier to be recognized as bad, especially since to my memory it didnt just have humor haphazardly slapped everywhere, where Fallout at this point is more of a specific bethesda style combined with a setting, not a set of charachters in the setting. Setting matched in the show, so people clapped.
Not everyone has played all the games. if you only play F4 you don't know much about the lore. If you don't know much about the lore you won't notice all the mistakes. So for the casual fan it's a funny entertaining show with wacky characters. A hardcore fan will notice the flaws. It's witten for the casual fan and new fans.
>Vault *Boy*
>according to show it's actually a balding middle aged dude with a wife and a kid.
It’s just bad… The best I can do is pretend the shows not cannon… BGS treatment in general of their IPs is just… ego driven, poor writing for the most part. The absolute lack of respect for previous games, and of course Emil and Todd were working w the showrunners, this is what they wanted.
Their treatment of the NCR is just beyond dumb, and feels really petty, like, screw anyone else’s creations, all hail the constantly morphing Brotherhood, the golden child of BGS.
They just need to stop, hell they can’t even create their own homegrown DLC that’s half decent… *cough, Shattered Space 😂.
Not much else to say, the shows just beyond damaging to the lore. It feels petty, like they wanted to clear anything left from 1,2 and NV so they can create something far worse. And the fact that people think it’s great…. Is just astounding, to each their own but…… why…
Conclusion, 0/10
i would not be suprised if todd howard got emil pagliarulo pregnant and their children wrote this show
Honestly, this is a story that CAN'T be canon. Like, every series has retcons sometimes, and we grumble and accept them to some degree, but the contradictions are so absolutely massive here that it's simply impossible. They just deleted the entire first game. It'd be like if the next Star Wars movie (set in the New New Republic) told us Luke Skywalker was an anti-Jedi activist from Alderan who murdered his sister to steal her droids and then launched an invasion of Tattooine with Mandelorian mercenaries. This is alternate timeline crap.
touch grass
Whenever people compliment this show, I get the impression they are complementing the imagined version in their head. They imagine a road trip show with Lucy, the naive bright eyed young woman, and the ghoul, a gruff hardened survivor. If they had to watch it again I think they would end up skipping most and realizing they only imagined a good concept in their heads the writers missed.
This is almost exactly how I perceived/experienced fallout 3.
I love that game, but u understand I love it because of what it makes me imagine….not because of what it actually is.
"when people tell me their opinion, I think they lie."
Netflix calls it "second screen tv shows" basically you turn on the tv show while you go on your phone. All plot points have to be reinforced multiple times, anything that happens on the screen needs to be verbally communicated, the show needs to make multiple call backs every episode to what the plot is and how it is moving forward. You're basically meant to watch the show while cooking dinner, or doing homework. It's not meant to be analysed.
That's hilariously retarded
@@OCinneide Please stop copy and pasting. Already get it enough from customer service.
So, there have been some leaks and reports on season 2 that's being worked on right now. The only thing i'm looking forward to for season 2 is the creetosis video tearing up a new asshole for bethesda and amazon.
Many of us will be, and we too will question the stuff that happens there. If the "defense squad" wants to attack us for "terrorist behavior" like the weirdos at Volition who handled and/or developed the Saint's Row reboot, then they can… and in turn confess they want _dishonest_ discussions instead.
Wise people understand that they understand nothing, and in turn dingleberries believe they understand literally everything when they really don't.
That Tenpenny Tower questline ending is still the biggest "What did Bethesda mean by this?"
ye
It is a shame that you can make all the reasoned and logical arguments in the world, point out continuity isses and characterisation, only to be hit with "but the feel!", and "but the reference!"
I feel such dejavu between maximus, and the show "writers" obviously thinking him a "hero" and the way the writer of watchmen railed against the public's like of Rorschach. They think he's a hero, because he is THEM. Maximus is the self insert character for the writers.
Makes sense then that he'd be an utter moron I suppose.
There's an irony there that while Rorschach isn't traditionally heroic, we love him because he is a genuinely tragic figure who is desperately trying to do good.
And that's super obvious too. Rorschach is horrendously flawed, and his this deep, unending rage and yet... He has a code, and he does follow it, and he tames his demons by trying to be a hero.
The reason why he is the standout in Watchmen is obvious. He doesn't seek fame or money, he doesn't use his celebrity to cover his perversions, he isn't an aloof alien, he isn't the man who thinks he knows whats best for the world. He actually is the kind of person who fights villainy for its own sake. He almost doesn't know what else to do than fight crime.
And of course he's drawn to show the flaws you'd expect from that sort of person. He's certifiable! Normal people know to take some time off and touch grass and have fun.
We love Rorschach because he rings true, and no matter how flawed he is we see something very laudable in choosing death over collaboration.
Now, he's a pretty bad person. And he's crazy. But we can respect him. And the writers don't get that. They never get that.
And that's crazy to me because these same writers absolutely love genuinely evil characters. They get hot and bothered talking about Pennywise, and all that. It's absolutely wild.
Ulysses was right. Once a symbol loses its identity a pale imitation build without respect will follow.
I can make all the games/show canon :)
Here's the overview:
Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas - *Canon*
Tactics and 3 - *General elements are canon*
Brotherhood, 4, 76, and the show - *Nobark Noonan inhaled too much Turbo during his science sessions and took a longer nap than usual.*
Honestly yeah 76 and the show shatter or stretch established canon too hard to exist simultaneous to the good content, but I’d argue not only is 3 a great game, it does nothing to hurt or delegitimize the West Coast lore already in the series when it came along, should be totally canon.
4, even though despite me being INSANELY hyped over it I only did sixty hours in it and never bought any dlc for it, should likewise be considered canon. Just cause its got dogshit roleplaying and main quest writing doesn’t make it incompatible with the world lol.
76 and the show LITERALLY take things built upon or well established in previous titles and shit on it. Super mutants only becoming a threat where there are large quantities of liquid FEV and evil doers to use it? Naw some just got into the river or something, folks drank it (its really why they are in 76)
The NCR, that faction thats been growing and overcoming the trials of forging statehood in the post apocalypse while staying in the spotlight for most of the good games in the series? Done got nuked, Vault Tec done did it becuh E-BILLLLLLL
Its retarded
it annoys me that the cartoonish villain colonel autumn is mentioned in lonesome road meaning he is cannon to 1, 2 and new vegas.
i just imagine it's a less stupid version of the character.
@@spicymilkshake6600Basically.
For canon's sake, the _vague_ idea of those two games are part of the lore.
For Tactics: a detachment of the Brotherhood went east and ended up crash-landing somewhere in the Midwest.
We don't know *_exactly_* what went down... but they had to confront petty warlords and gained the favor of the tribals there.
Eventually, enough time passes that new BoS recruits from here don't even know the basic history of the Brotherhood.... or who the Maxsons are (Caesar mentions this).
For 3: a Vault exile follows the trail of his/her runaway scientist father. Said father comes into conflict with Enclave remnants over ownership of the only viable water purification system in the area.
At the same time, another Brotherhood detachment has splintered and is undergoing an ideological "civil war" of sorts.
@butidontwannahandle nah I'm gonna have to reject the idea that Tactics is even partially canon, the BoS building airship is fucking stupid and Todd treating Tactics as canon is part of the reason this franchise is such a mess, a lot of Bethesda's lore *hinges* on Tactics, Captain Kells in Fallout 4 even has dialogue that mentions those airships and that that's how the BoS even made it to the east coast to begin with.
@@Slender_Man_186 Except IIRC Tactics still isn't canon, only certain things Bethesda wanted to use from it were canon.
I went to a friend's wedding back in mid to late August, and I sat with his uni mates at a lull in the post-wedding celebration. They were talking about this Fallout show like it was the best thing ever, not even exaggerating or joking for that matter. I can't even stress how painful it was, practically on a soul deep and metaphysical level, to hear them talk about the moments in the show as though if they were the coolest things ever (the ghoul vs Maximus scene, and the Yao Guai scenes in particular), that it respected the lore really well, the writing was 'hype' and so on.
I've never had to force myself to smile and nod that much before. It all clicked though when I asked them what their favourite Fallouts were, and they collectively said Fallout 4.
Man...I love my normie family members way too much to try and ruin their enjoyment of this series. I will note that none of the shows' plot was particularly memorable for them and they only think about the Ghoul one-liners or Lucy or bottlecaps.
Their brains would melt if they know about the Quality writing of characthers like Mr House or Caesar
@@mateoreyes6921 …Or even that China would harvest them and throw them aside if they lived in a Communist country like that.
@@ProfligateEater21753 I'm grateful my family doesn't watch anything like this garbage... Though yeah what you described sounds about right, my friend's uni mates were just talking about the stuff I already mentioned, the power armour, basically the stuff that was trying very hard to be appealing.
@@mateoreyes6921 Lol, I don't consider myself the best listener or judge of writing, but I have a feeling that you're not far off in that regard about most people.
There is no excuse that the power armor locks up when unpowered.
Any competent engineer, like someone working for the US military during the cold war, would make it only stay locked when powered, and mechanically open when unpowered.
In fallout 4 if you sneak up on an enemy and take the fusion core out they automatically get out of the armor.
@@hideakiakio6698 thats because the power armor does not just "lock up" when out of power it just performs worse
in fo4 you can use power armor even without fusion cells and it still works the battery just powers up the motors to make it easier to move
@@hideakiakio6698 Indeed it does, as it should.
However, it does not look like the show takes the same consideration to the tenants of engineering as the games do. Impressive if i say so myself.
Seeing the show get lauded with awards and praise (especially on Reddit) depresses the Hell out of me
cope ig
@@towarzyszmarcin474 It's understandable when people think being stupid is a better choice, like pulling the trigger on a gun while you're looking into its barrel... and because the redditors may as well go live in a Communist country to have their wishes or ideals fulfilled.
@@senseicorey9979 They're fucked in their heads.
they made the same mistake in the show that they did in FO4!! Giving the main character power armor way too early for spectacle before contriving a reason to remove it!
FO4 doesnt have a reason to ever take it off
@@BrandelwynIn the first few moments, there is a "reason", that being that Power Armour power (in Fusion Cores) now for some reason lasts only about 2-3 in game days at most with perks, instead of the almost eternally powered Power Armours of the past.
@@Nuniixo If you do a power armor build, you don't need to ever take the Power Armor off except for certain dialogue cutscenes.
@@Edax_Royeaux Hence why I said, "The first few moments"
@@Nuniixo You should already be able to have a power armor build before you even do that quest that gets your that power armor, you only need to invest a single perk into nuclear physicist and potentially, pain train. Very common to be at least level 2 before you even leave Sanctuary. That first set of T-45 power armor is also pretty weak, with low hp values. You'll want to upgrade to a T-51 or T-60 ASAP if you commit to Power Armor.
There's a fusion core at the Red Rocket gas station and another at the Robotics Disposal Ground and Thicket Excavations right next to Sanctuary and yet another one at the USAF Satellite Station Olivia if you choose to do the Abernathy quest. And if you're headed to Diamond City, yet another fusion core can easily be acquired at the Starlight Drive-In.
"But Cree Maximus is an idiot savant perk so of course it makes sense he's the type of guy to sniff clue and eat crayons"
"Oh the turrets missing Wilsig (?) makes sense cuz the turrets in gsmeplay suck"
"But Creeeeee stimpacks can fix anything in the game so it makes sense it happens in the show"
Honestly I don't understand the constant need to keep bringing up gameplay mechanics to defend moments in the show, how hard is it to click onto the fact that just because the player in the game can be blasted in the face with an anti-tank rifle and be completely fine doesn't mean that anyone can do that in the actual story.
Its the joke of "main character gets shot 30 million times in gameplay, dies to 1 bullet in cutscene" obviously gameplay isn't completely accurate to the lore and the actual setting, the gameplay is meant to be a fun rpg, making it so every single bullet can kill you instantly or cripple you permantly for the entire game would ruin the balance and make the game a nightmare to play (granted that would be an interesting experience for a game)
edit: 6:02:27 yo holy shit he actually talked about it
Even Prince Ephraim of Renais from Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones can get fucked hard despite being a powerful Lord, with his 5 Movement pre-promotion and allergy to magic attacks when you start out.
you kinda missed the point of the setting then, because it was supposed to reflect that from the beginning. all the gameplay references just click and thats that.
@@towarzyszmarcin474 But they don't, so no.
Also, higher-level turrets can ruin you.
The problem with Bethesda era Fallout (and everything else these days) has always been "Hey, I had a cool thought! Lets implement it right now with no consideration whatsoever!"
It is very annoying to me that the people making the show did enough research into the lore in order to have all these references and callbacks, yet did not take any care not to break it to pieces
The Fallout Show is like jelly mold. GET IT OUT OF HERE!
Hey its the french.
Ah, the French...known for quality and excellence.
If there is no jelly mold in season 2, my opinion of the show will be even lower than it is already.
Creetosis, you could've just consumed product then got excited for next product.
Best forfeiting "defence" by the tourists 😊
There is a lot of "author's barely disguised fetish" in this show...
Yo FR? Hit me up with an example.
@@Whisker_Fish the water breaking during sex and graphic birth of a fish come to mind
@@MrRavellon What the shitass!?!?! Damn I had no desire to watch this show but hearing that kinda makes me wanna watch an episode to see how batshit it is.
@@Whisker_Fishhow about the three separate mentions of "cousin stuff" during the first episode alone, that was even mentioned in the shows marketing and was mentioned a few times in later episodes.
@@Slender_Man_186 WTF!? Is it like in Rick and Morty where there's a BUNCH of weird incest jokes/sexualization of Summer?
28:20 It's funny, because they didn't have to make him THAT irradiated. He could have been going up to about 2 on the meter and everyone would have got the point. They just wanted to be cool, which seems to be basically the only thing modern writers care about
cree and patrician both uploading a 6+ hour video in the same week?
truly a blessed time
Long man good
I, Jerry Farquaad, am brimming with excitement to see what Creetosis, Lord of Lore, has in store for us.
Before even watching this video one of my biggest issues with the Fallout TV show is that I felt like it never took itself seriously or at least very rarely which is a departure from the games (mostly the classics and new vegas) which always had humor but never let the humor break the immersion or tension too much. They made the Brotherhood one big incompetent joke that's a parody of what it was in the earlier games
I’ve gotten so much hate from people when I explain to them this show is garbage. Feels good to see other people acknowledging this as well
It’s insane how this show made Power Armor crap
They made it inconsistent too. What use is "Russian roulette" armor that'll be useful only when it decides to be?
When fallout 4 gives you a full suit something like 45 minutes into gameplay I can see how the writers assume it's not supposed to be anything significant.
It’s insane how this show made NCR Ranger Armor looking like amateur cosplay.
It's really disappointing to see its success. Because people will go "*soyjack point* it has ghouls and stimpaks and Nuka Cola™ just like the games, therefore it's good!" Literally just jangling the keys. God i wish the Halo show could have at LEAST done that much.
You know what else goes jangle?
@@foodafen7406I got spurs
@@ultraviolet540 that jingle jangle jingle
Yeah, that's truly disappointing
It feels like the show should have been set only like 20 years after the nukes
All characters from the movie past are still alive (somehow)
The ghoul is talking about finding his family
The show writers want a lawless wasteland
The part about his family never comes up until the last episode. His daughter was with him during the first episode. I suspect that each episode was made without an overarching script and they were just making it up as they went.
Why would bethesda ever want meaningful rebuilding of civilisation when that would basically mean they have to come up with story beats that matter
Well, if Bethesda “won’t be beholden to something written 20 years ago”, and Fallout 3 is quickly approaching its 20th anniversary, does that mean they’ll start to treat that game like they’ve treated 1 and 2?
Yes. It's not as though they treat the Elder Scrolls any better.
The biggest problem with the vault tec reveal is it makes no sense by doing it that way, the original idea/theory was vault tec was owned by THE ENCLAVE who was hinted at wanting TO GO TO SPACE so the idea was these vaults were to test a lot of things that could happen in new worlds and space stations (overpopulation, one man many woman, moral conundrums of sacrifice, fixing the water chip) so it made sense to attempt these test under a company name to make people go in blindly and trusty. It would also make sense that vault tec would have nukes CAUSE THEY GOT THEM FROM THE ENCLAVE. How the enclave knew about the experiments and were able to monitor them. But no, we needed MUH CAPITALISM EVOL and show off how out of touch these writers are on how basic economics and business models works. I loved the reveal until I thought about it.
To prevent the perversion of lore Tod could have disavowed the show as non-canon however in his insatiable hatred of that which came before (superior writing) it was ordained as canon to spite obsidian and interplay.
“B-B-But don’t you know Cree This show is just like in the games!
It has Vault boy, Zombi- I mean ghouls, power armor, brotherhood of steel, enclave, mutants, dog meat, and radiation. It’s just like in the games!”
-Tourist, Shills, Grifters
“B-B-But the creator likes the sho-“
Yeah, your point? That doesn’t excuse the terrible writing, stupid characters and stupid retcon
“You’re just a toxic FNV fanboy!”
Its irrelevant when its just Tim Cain, as he seems to have almost nothing to do with the story and the world building, its also odd that no one seems to ask what other people like Chris Avellone or people who worked on the games previously think about the show, Im willing to bet that most of them wouldn't plus Chris Avellone already had issues with it anyway.
"The creator of the game" - oh, you mean the guy who got banned on Fallout subreddit for stating that Fallout was never about "capitalism bad"?
@@VitaliyMilonov Tim Cain or who? I think to some degree Fallout is kinda about that, considering that in the original lore, the USA was imperialist, invaded Canada and Mexico and presumbaly instead of negotiating for peace resorted to nuclear war, leaving no winners, only losers of the "great" war
As a result of the dwindling resources, they resorted to violence, the end result of capitalism once things get hard, just like they have been now and in the past like in the 1960s and 1980s.
@@danpaz9485us was imperialist however it's been implied almost anytime it came up china nuked first which makes sense since us was probably winning the war
China was supposed to have dropped the first nukes, not vaultec, the vault experiments and vaultec are connected to the enclave and were to figure out the best way to keep people going on deep space colony mission to find a new planet. Thats why they were working on space travel and everything else, the whole plan for the enclave was to recolonize in space and just leave the whole earth behind.
I don't think it's canon, I think it is something Tim Cain envisioned when he was writing Fallout 1, but never documented it anywhere, and since he left after the release of F1, it never became canon. I think he talks about it in on of his videos. I mean, idea is sound, it kinda makes sense, but I think F2 writers went in the different direction.
The older I get, the more I hate Bethesda and Amazon. They both just ruin beloved franchises, including their own. The "adapted for a broader audience" mindset seriously needs to fuck off and die, if it weren’t for the existing fanbases for those IPs, THEN SUCH SHOWS WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN MADE.
God. Why is it so hard for companies to not fuck up at every level?
They can't make the new Vegas we want. Real topics like Caesar's legion / slavery / taxation with 0 benefit, can't be brought up by these people.
@@billforson3143 They're probably deathly afraid of so much as featuring slavery.
I honestly don't get why all Bethesda Fallout has the main character be a Vault Dweller.
Fallout 3- Vault 101 Dweller
Fallout 4- Vault 111 Dweller
Fallout 76- Vault 76 Dweller
Fallout TV- Vault 33 Dweller
It's honestly really repetitive. Why can't we open with something similar to New Vegas where the main character is a Wastelander from the very beginning? They have a life and a career (a courier) and the story picks up from that naturally. I get that the show does the same with The Ghoul and Maximus, but Lucy is clearly the intended protagonist of the narrative.
And even if Bethesda wants to have all their protagonists be Vault Dwellers, that would be fine, but there are much more interesting ways to do it! Every single time, we have a Vault Dweller emerging into the Wasteland because they want to save/find a family member. Fallout 3: save your dad, Fallout 4: save your son, Fallout TV: save your dad (again...).
Wouldn't it be much more interesting to change the formula? For example, instead of saving a family member, why not have a rebellious Vault Dweller who's tired of their Vault life? An explorer who genuinely wants to see and integrate into the world outside, without any external motive.
Another option would be to start in an experiment vault, where the Vault Dweller wants to escape out of Vault-Tec's plans and make a better life outside.
Even if Bethesda wants to have a Vault Dweller as the main character every single time, there are much more interesting ways to do it than saving a family member in my opinion.
Ah, but you see, to do that you need creativity and talent
that would require to much work bethesda is lazy
Devil's Advocate.
A vault dweller protagonist, if done well, can be used as a surrogate for the audience in exploring how the wasteland works. Its people, wildlife, economy, politics, morals, and ethics.
Think about it.
A vault dweller would not know the ins and outs of the postwar world outside their vault just like the audience wouldn't know the world of Fallout. Hell, even Fallout fans wouldn't know the ins and outs of the local wasteland of a new game or an old region that's been revisited after a decade or two, for example.
The problem is that:
• For the Bethesda Fallout games. They're made by Bethesda. Who make "RPGs" with increasingly fewer RPG mechanics. Namely, player characters with too extensive backstories that the player has no control over, worlds that look immersive at a glance but are nonsensical and inconsistent with itself when examined deeper, NPCs with barely any depth to their dialogue, and quests that are rigidly designed to where you'd be lucky if your choices actually have a unique outcome.
• For the TV show, they did barely anything with Lucy being a naive vault dweller, and the world itself is just plain uninteresting and poorly developed and not explored much at all.
They also always have them chasing a family member. The overseer in Fallout 76 is heavily implied to have been a surrogate mother for the player character. Safe bet she was the player's actual mother before the script got used in a multi-player title.
The other issue with the vaults is that there's supposed to be a limited number of them. This show just wasted two of those numbers by giving a single vault three numbers for no reason. I'm fully expecting Bethesda to eventually retcon that and say there's a bunch of vaults that were just mysteriously forgotten.
Tidus is a perfect example of terrible writing.
People aren't just mean to people to conveniently set up their 'supposedly' guilt free robbery and murder.
so happy someone brought up the fact that the master would've cracked vaults in the show
I hate how the brotherhood is depicted
A knight depicted as a coward with such poor skill ? Come on
Maximus, a son of the wasteland raised by the most disciplined faction and behaved as an absolute p**sy is no better of course
You haven't even seen the Brotherhood. One particular Knight and lowest grunt perspective. They didn't show the real stuff. Those who intercepted the intel from the Enclave and organized the across continent mission. We haven't even saw who's on board the Prydwen. Show just used low grunts to distract the audience from the obvious (BoS victory by the end).
That's the funny thing about the show. The Brotherhood of Steel actually was treated worse than the NCR. They're consistently shown as completely incompetent and lost most of the battles they're shown taking part in. The one with the ghoul at the end is the absolute worst.
@@Mirthful_MidoriWhat are you taking about? BoS took the cold fusion in the end. They WON. And did that while obviously not even close to using their best. Quintus is not in charge of the BoS, he just commands this particular division (or what ever), and he followed orders too. Orders that came from the East. East gathered the intel and organized this entire mission.
@@elvisibraThey didn't win through any display of skill or competency. They won because the writers decided that they would win. A recurring issue with the show's writing.
This is just a bad show, if you forget its connected to the Fallout games and do not judge it on anything to do with the world of Fallout its still awful. As a stand alone show its badly written and full of convince, contradictions and toilet humour written for children. If you then look at it as part of the Fallout world it becomes totally horrendous and proves Fallout is dead.
I thought I was going insane watching everyone gush over this show. I hated every minute of every episode and I watched them all feeling my brain melt.
5:39:50 "War never changes" as a line was irreversibly ruined since FO4.
5:45:30 This is because of Death of the Author which most people who defend haven't actually read.
Don't even need to read Death of the Author to understand its fundamental concept.
If a writer says he wrote "the Great American Novel", but the readers are tearing the pages making paper airplanes out of it to entertain themselves, _then there's a damn good chance that it's _*_not what he claims it is._*
Which is baffling to me. Because I legit never read Death of the Author even to this very second but basic logic like that is common sense to me. Yet there's so many normies who can't seem to even grasp such a basic concept and will readily sling Appeals to Authority on why (Insert Popular Work of Fiction Here) is good because the (Insert Production Member Here) said its good!
@@DJWeapon8
Here is the thing. That isn't what "Death of the Author" means and you shouldn't act so proud about claiming to understand something that you never read. You are describing is called "having an opinion."
Edit: I need to clarify that I believe that "Death of the Author" essay is fundamentally wrong. The common understanding of Death of the Author is basically just the metaphorical motte in the motte and bailey.
People try to rationalize the timeline instead of making the obvious conclusion that the writers just picked a year without thinking about New Vegas.
@@MrSilentProtagonist So I looked up a TLDR of Death of the Author.
From oxfordhomeschooling:
"a literary theory that argues that the meaning of a text is not determined by the author's intention, but rather by the reader's interpretation"
Me quoting Emil Pagliarulo, *_Fallout 3, 4, and 76's Lead Writer,_* is a good example of Death of the Author's point.
That a writer can claim he wrote the Great American Novel (Fallout 3 and Fallout 4's main quests) but then also shows physical proof that readers find it boring and tore the pages to make paper airplanes to amuse themselves (ignoring the main quest to do sidequests, make settlements, install mods), must then mean that the writer _is lying_ about his work being The great american novel and its quality.
To me, that sounds like it describes Appeal To Authority and why its not an argument.
That if the story tells its thing, but then the author says it actually tells something completely different and unrelated, then **** the author because he's just plain wrong or a troll.
So you saying that the common interpration of DotA is "the wall around the keep" and that its "fundamentally wrong". I'm sorry, but I need a bit more explanation from you for that one.
@@DJWeapon8
First, the "Great American Novel" thing is an out-of-Universe opinion. Death of the Author (which I keep spelling out as Death of the Author because some smartass will make a comment about Defense of the Ancients) is about in-Universe facts of the story or its "meaning". The contention is that the "meaning" and intent can be two separate things which is a needlessly metaphysical explanation for something that can be explained with "author is an incompetent moron". The quality of the story is entirely a different matter. The crowd of people that crying about "Media Literacy" claims that they divine a secret meaning to a story that coincidentally aligns with their worldviews. People keep citing Starship Troopers as if it proves Death of the Author when 1) It is an adaptation which means that they didn't write the thing from scratch. 2) Paul Verhoeven already said that the bugs attacked first and there is no evidence otherwise.
Second, Death of the Author isn't about the author saying their interpretation of their story in social media long after it is published. The essay was written in 1967. Also, the concept of the author being able to lie is nothing new. The National hero of my country lied about the themes of one of his novels to go pass the Spanish censors.
@@MrSilentProtagonist the bugs did attack first, though. Both in the movie and in the novel.
And the Terran Federation isn't fascist. *_Maybe_* in the most clinical dictionary definition, but as a typical fascist government, hell no. Movie Terran Federation looks like the US Constitution but voting and holding office needs to be earned only after volunteering for genuine public service.
And after reading the essay and watching several analysis videos about it.
Death of the Author from how I understand it is the concept that once a writer has a work of fiction they released to the public, there are no longer any take-backsies. That any other work of fiction they release following it in the same fictional universe must then conform to rules of the universe and the characterization they wrote before it, unless there's a damn good in-universe reason not to.
In simpler terms, like you said. "The author can't be an incompetent moron."
And from what I'm getting at. You're tired and annoyed by pop culture tourists defending slop by saying "The Director said it was good!", "But its just like the games when you do stupid things, so the stupid things in the show are good, too!". And man, we Creetosis viewers are tired and annoyed by that, too. Maybe more than you. Believe me.
he finally got out of copyright hell
Though it takes the last drop of my blood i will see fallout free once more.
And if i cannot save it from your failure todd,then let the IP burn!
Is that a Horus Paraphrasing? niiice
24:19 Ten years of "cousin stuff"? Lucy is supposed to be in her early twenties or teens. This is significantly worse than i remembered. The math is not kind to this scene.
This show is literally like a corny ass shonen anime
This show's filler is so bad that it has me reevaluating the Bounts arc. At least that one wasn't over 25% of Bleach's runtime.
Babe wake up, Cree's latest manifesto just dropped
Emil Pagliarulo and his consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Top tier comment@@EarlHildebrandt
@@proulx1q I just try my best to speak the truth, wherever else it might hail from.
This show is basically like this: Imagine going to Vault 11... The story of that place is just as it always was, tragic serious and sad... but instead of the tone being consistent like it is in the main game, there were holotapes added on which the vault dwellers were describing how they were sucking each other off and do other goofy ass shit, and you needed to interact with those because those contained important information and hints regarding the history of the place. And it wouldn't be just one such holotape. There would be more, in every room as the tone of the Vault 11 keeps changing from depressing, dark and serious to goofy, comical and satirical.
Fallout 3 may have taken a step in a different direction for the gameplay and tone. And while it could be argued that it was good or bad or somewhere in between, it was at least a step in a certain direction. Fallout New Vegas took the time to slowly make its way back to the original path while making sure to push the advancements of what came before forward and even taking into account some of the changes of Fallout 3. Fallout 4 saw this and took a couple of steps back onto a simpler, more mass market friendly trail, while erasing alot of the progress New Vegas had made. And while I and many other fans heavily disagree with those steps, we can see the logic behind them as awful as they may be. The Fallout live action series took its pants off, shaved random parts of its head, dribbled drool down its chin and proceeded to run back to the start of the journey then scribbled all over the road map and proceeded to defecate it's way toward an obviously terrible new direction. Anyone thinking this show is true to Fallout needs to have their head checked, it isn't even true to Bethesda Fallout.
Fallout 3 was an amazing game that OG Fallout fans didn’t appreciate. Everyone loves to worship Bethesda for Oblivion and Skyrim but for some reason the FO game they made at the same time with basically the same team….sucks? No, it just released to a tough fanbase used to a different style, it still got GOTY easily and to this day does many things better than New Vegas (% to succeed skill checks rather than hard skill limits and random encounters let the world breathe so much better than the Mojave.)
Now with all the slop from modern TV and modern Bethesda I think its time to recognize that FO3 was a GREAT and AUTHENTIC fallout experience next to 76 or certainly the show, or even FO 4 lmao
@DeepStateMarxist I disagree, but if you like fallout 3, then good for you
Fallout 3 had such a terrible and contrived ending they released a DLC to retcon it. I still enjoyed it, but I don't think I'll be replaying it.
@@DeepStateMarxistI couldn’t disagree more. Fallout 3 was just another step down the direction of poor writing & world building that Bethesda still continues to put into their games. There were plenty of people that disliked aspects of Oblivion & ESPECIALLY Skyrim. They continued dumbing down their games to make them more accessible because that means more money. Nothing wrong with that I guess if you don’t care for what your original fans care about.
Also I don’t see how you could think the speech system in 3 is even remotely more well done than in NV. The amount of options alone with actually having more skills & perks usable in dialogue seems way more along the lines of letting the world breathe. Even if you build your character a certain way, you’ll miss checks here & there, but also find super niche options that some people might never find. I just find that infinitely better, especially since a percentage chance to succeed/fail in 3 just feels so bad to me personally. I feel like it breeds people that want to save scum all of their checks instead of just giving people multiple set options to get through a dialogue scenario like NV does.
@@DeepStateMarxist My first Fallout game was FO3 and I loved it at the time. Then I went on my CRPG kick some time later and I can't really defend it as a Fallout game after playing 1 and 2, they even have more replay value. I'll probably never replay FO3.
My first Elder Scrolls game was Morrowind and I genuinely loved it even before learning English while Oblivion was kind of a disappointment and Skyrim was even more so. Oblivion had some fun stuff and a couple of decent quests, but the setting was blander than cardboard and the story wasn't much to write home about. Skyrim was just so boring that I kinda dropped it at some point and never finished it.
Something pointed out by a youtuber called ItsYaBoyBrandyBoy concerning that Thaddeus scene where he was missing is that he wasn't even firing the gun correctly. This is because he was wildly slamming the middle section of his finger against the trigger. This arguably makes the scene worse since he is part of a militaristic organization. One of the first that should be taught in such an organization is basic firearm handling.
That meat grinder prosthetic scene was absolutely unnecessary because the hydra drug literally exist in Fallout's universe, and it clearly describes that it can regrow severed limbs but slowly.
Bethesda doesn't even know their own lore!
actually it doesnt regrow severed limbs it just fixes broken tissue
basically your muscles get replaced with a huge mushroom growth
thats why it requires fungus to be crafted in new vegas
I think amazon used bots to boost the initial online perception of this show because (thankfully) a lot of people realized how ass it is changed their tune on it relatively quickly
Personally my pet peeve is making them (The brotherhood of Steel) spout nonsense latin phrases... "Ad Victoriam" ad my ass. They've never spoken latin before or since.
Pffft, premier in 65 minutes? This video aged like milk...
finally people are realizing how dumb the show is? the franchise died and lost it's soul when it was bought by Bethesda. FNV was a light in the dark but that's it, never again
Do not despair, brother. Our time will come.
Finally completed after a few days. Overall, a fabulous breakdown. Would love one of the "fan" channels to try to reply to this, but that certainly won't happen.
Obviously the discourse has died down over this show, but I genuinely can't understand why some "series fans" claimed this show was so good, let alone tolerable. The only rationalization I can come to is they are shills that just want content and are scared to criticize the show, and by extension, Bethesda, or they are of so low intelligence that "whoa that's a Nuka-Cola bottle, and a YAO GUAI!!!" are enough to make them believe it's quality and well-written.
It's petty, but one of the most annoying parts of this show is lore channels incorporating it into their videos, despite it requiring headcanon to do so. What are you gonna do, I guess.
If anybody knows any channels that correctly don't acknowledge this show, please share (if one doesn't exist, I'm sure there's a market for a PROPER lore channel on this series). But overall, I suspect I'll have to move on from this series and just stick with fond memories of what could have been. At least New Vegas CAN work as an end for the franchise.
1, 2 and new vegas are the real fallout trilogy. everything else is a non canon fan game as far as im concerned
I can't express anything that other commenters haven't already stated, but I enjoyed listening to the full seven hours.
Very happy someone else hates what they did to Sinclair and pointing out how him repping the big mt makes no sense
@@seemoose6393 They did him worse than House. Its insane.