Angels: They're Just Like Us (Secret Lair) Upgrade - Improving the Precon Commander Deck with $300

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  • @BlackT123
    @BlackT123 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    These videos convinced me to buy it. I was on the fence but, who can’t resist a Angel tribal. Especially with a sweet upgrade video like you guys put out. Great content guys!!

  • @__malte
    @__malte ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for the tips. Very useful. Just so you know, contrary to what you say in 13:52 Dawnbreak Reclaimer’s ability actually is optional. (“You *may* return those cards”) And you can base your choice on what your opponent picked out for you, so it’s much better than it sounds.

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In the end you’re still giving your opponent their stuff back and I don’t want to do that lol -Hunter

    • @reviewmirror591
      @reviewmirror591 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha I thought that to, it's optional, but I also agree that it's too situational to be really good. If it was not optional it would have been unplayable 😅

  • @webbc99
    @webbc99 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dawnbreak Reclaimer is a lot better than you made out in the cuts here - the ability trigger is not a may, but you MAY return both creatures to the battlefield. So if your opponent doesn't give you a good deal, then you can choose not to return the creatures to the battlefield. This card is really good because you can help a player that's behind, using political pressure to get your best stuff back. You can also join forces against an arch enemy.

  • @LifeHacksMP
    @LifeHacksMP ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Great deck, definitely pulling some ideas from this!
    I'll probably add Ascend from Avernus as well, since it'll help with getting a boardstate back and easily too since we'll definitely have the mana for it.
    I'll also probably run Reprieve for some interaction and card draw. If someone happens to pull a Land Tax from CMM then that's a solid draw engine too! (Let's you thin your deck!)

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Definitely thought about adding Reprieve. Such a good little interaction card. Thanks for watching!

    • @bavarianwolf3806
      @bavarianwolf3806 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      if you would add ascend, reprieve and land tax, what 3 cards would you remove?

  • @Chrs-hk1jk
    @Chrs-hk1jk ปีที่แล้ว +3

    *Ahem* Mondrak, Glory Dominus. Too many tokens in this the way you’re running it to not have Mondrak IMO. Tons of great picks guys. Love it!

  • @skybyred13
    @skybyred13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, just wanted to say that your videos are perfect for proxying, as the $300~ish upgrades usually help me build a sweet deck without going too crazy with the sweaty cards. Thanks :)

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching and enjoying!

  • @Chris-ix8do
    @Chris-ix8do ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nice adds! I plan on upgrading this to be one of my highest edh, near cEDH level. I just love the art.
    You guys ever think about doing the same budget but for a second build type?

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This will be the only build of the deck. Thanks for watching!

  • @brytonjorgensen8457
    @brytonjorgensen8457 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just got the email that mine is on the way! Glad my list was close to this one haha.

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Got the email as well! Gonna be a fun one!

  • @victorarroyo4111
    @victorarroyo4111 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well thanks for your help, keep doing a great job

  • @danollerenshaw8410
    @danollerenshaw8410 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great deck tech. Definitely going to use this as a basis for my angels deck. Although, I would have added Land Tax too

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was looking at the budget of the deck and honestly would swap archaeomancers map for it. -Hunter

  • @nightjacob1
    @nightjacob1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for making this for those of us with za deep pockets

  • @Cyndamander
    @Cyndamander ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mondrak dominus and Anointed Procession. Maximize the card draw and life gain upon ETB effects

  • @kickassv8
    @kickassv8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for this one!

  • @michaelcompton4830
    @michaelcompton4830 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you think about adding a Cloudshift and/or teleportation circle to have creatures come back in with more counters as your board state grows. There is risk with Teleportation circle that if your hit with removal you could shrink a creature but with the ability to target an artifact that risk should be low.

  • @victorarroyo4111
    @victorarroyo4111 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Bro it just came out

    • @alekshewitt
      @alekshewitt ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bro doesn't mess around with content.

    • @Prowolf7
      @Prowolf7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Point? People want it to use this and have it work

  • @dutroka
    @dutroka ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy hell this thing hit so hard I felt bad for all those playing against me.

  • @tea.and.bookies
    @tea.and.bookies ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok, I did a few of the upgrades in mine, but I’d really like to include sigarda’s aid. What would you possibly swap out for it?

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I personally wouldn't add it to the deck. I know the deck came with the card as an extra, but I wouldn't put it in.

  • @Insitus
    @Insitus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is ''Virtue of Loyalty'' better than ''Flowering of the White Tree''

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I made this upgrade before Virtue of Loyalty was spoiled but I do really like the card in the deck. Both cards are really good and it totally is up to you whichever one you want more in the deck. -Hunter

  • @erickdeleon1016
    @erickdeleon1016 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would you guys consider running land tax in the deck? I’m curious to hear your thoughts on the card.

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was looking at the budget of the deck and honestly would swap archaeomancers map for it. -Hunter

    • @erickdeleon1016
      @erickdeleon1016 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cool! Thank you!

  • @s.r.9266
    @s.r.9266 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really love your upgrade :). Do you plan to do it with 500 usd or unlimited budget? Cheers

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks for watching! We just do the 2 videos for every precon. $100 for people on more of a budget and $300 for people that want a little more power.

    • @Zinkpro456
      @Zinkpro456 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@GuysThatMagic Would also find an unlimited upgrade video great. I mostly just proxy so it'd be fun to learn about what the absolute best version of the deck would be.

  • @jimmyjhon01234
    @jimmyjhon01234 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the vid, what is yalls opinion on Luminarch Ascension? Played against it a few times, not even in angel decks, and it felt really strong. What would you cut if you think it would be worth running?

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I fought with adding that card into the deck but overall I didn’t think it was worth it in the end. It kind of incentivizes your opponents to attack you and I don’t want that haha -Hunter

  • @sbhope.
    @sbhope. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What power level would you guys say the deck is at now after doing this upgrade?

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I’d say it’s pretty great. Probably 7 or 8

  • @josehg46
    @josehg46 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could I do the 100 upgrade and the 300? Or can I only do 1 of the two options?

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The $300 is the $100 on top of new cards to get to $300.

  • @ZOMBIEBRAINS69
    @ZOMBIEBRAINS69 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    A $150 precon shouldn’t need much upgrading sadly it does

    • @Morristung33
      @Morristung33 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It’s not that bad

    • @kedge
      @kedge ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's an angel precon. Angels and dragons are probably 2 of the most tax type creatures in game. They are super popular and cards like avacyn/lyra get splash on decks for good beater/support. This usually makes angels and dragons an expensive archetype if you want the popular ones

    • @asaffin1
      @asaffin1 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Just because it can be made better doesn't mean it's bad or a bad value.

    • @MatthewFoo_Zygardias
      @MatthewFoo_Zygardias ปีที่แล้ว

      @@asaffin1 I'm a magic noob, but this deck seems atrocious, at least for lands. 30 plains? Even CMM precons had like 19 max.

    • @asaffin1
      @asaffin1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@MatthewFoo_Zygardias It's mono-colored, so basics really are some of the best colored lands you can have. People really undervalue basics these days. Plus, the deck utilizes Emeria, which wants lots of Plains. The deck also includes the best mono color utility land in the game--Nykthos. The CMM decks pointedly excluded such things. If you're building a mono-colored deck, you're looking for some utility lands that hopefully don't come in tapped and basics. That's not to say you couldn't add some more good utility lands to this deck, but a mono-white Angel deck that includes Emeria and Nykthos is a pretty great start.
      But here's the thing. There are a million ways to evaluate a deck like this that will conclude that it's bad. It's all about the metrics you want to apply. This is not going to work out at a CEDH table, and it will struggle to win against a group of 7s and 8s.
      But if you're looking at value for money, it's there. You get almost $200 in high end reprints, and some great new art as well. And if you're looking for a good play experience, it's there. The deck was thoughtfully constructed with cards that play nicely into its themes -- Angels and lifegain -- while retaining a meaningful level of power. If you're comparing it to the quality of other precons throughout the years, this ranks among the best. It's a rare case of an actual decent product from a pretty garbage company. I would have liked it better at $100 or even $120, but, unlike CMM, I think you're pretty much getting your money's worth here.

  • @SpicyTaco-le3ex
    @SpicyTaco-le3ex ปีที่แล้ว

    Honest questions: why would you not dip into other mana types for OP angels?

  • @rnajarro11
    @rnajarro11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im taking your upgrades into consideration as I turn this card into a black/white angel deck 😎

  • @chapee9364
    @chapee9364 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about entreat the angels?

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s already in the precon!

  • @Brandon-zq3wh
    @Brandon-zq3wh ปีที่แล้ว

    I immediately cut entreat the angels

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thought about it but I have cast that card for its miracle cost before late game and it has a special place in my heart for that reason haha -Hunter

    • @Brandon-zq3wh
      @Brandon-zq3wh ปีที่แล้ว

      @GuysThatMagic I'm going to do some pyre of heros karmic guide shenanigans

  • @ryansantana8329
    @ryansantana8329 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro replaced like all the cards in the deck, changed the commander, and called it a upgrade 😂

    • @GuysThatMagic
      @GuysThatMagic  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      72 cards remained the same and we used a better legendary from the precon.