Twin Turbo 2021 Mustang Dyno Day
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2024
- It's dyno day for my twin turbo 2021 Mustang Mach 1!! I was expecting to make decent power from the Hellion Sleeper kit with the base 62mm turbos but these results absolutely blew me away. This 2021 Mustang is the true definition of a sleeper: stock motor, trans, wheels, tires, and exhaust, and even ride height. The only giveaway that this makes almost 4 digit hp is the aluminum intercooler hiding behind the Mach 1's front fascia.
2021 Mustang Mach 1
Remote Tuned by Lund Racing / Premier Performance
Tremec TR3160 6spd Manual
Hellion Sleeper 62mm BASE Turbos
Hellion 4-1 Turbo Manifolds
Injector Dynamics ID1050X
DW400 Fuel Pump
GFB G Force III Boost Controller
Stock '21 Mach 1 Active Exhaust with C&L Resonator Delete H Pipe
Intro: 00:00
Part 1 01:55 Overview of the Build
Part 2 04:05 How to Prepare for Your Dyno Day
Part 3 06:40 Baseline Dyno (stock)
Part 4 07:56 Turning up the Boost!! - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Amazing numbers
Absolutely Phenomenal! Blown away!
I really debated about saying anything at all but here goes. I had the GFB controller on my brand new 2020 TT GT, 2k miles on the motor and it made all the boost! Grenaded the motor, windowed the block cylinders 1/5. The boost controller or solenoid failed.
It was never right from day 1. I changed all the lines and fittings to Motion Raceworks push lock lines and it didnt help. Duty cycle percentage changes were all over the place very inconsistent.
Not the first to have this issue either but a $300 boost controller is exactly that.
I now run a co2 based Boost Leash, the AMS2000 is absolutely the best you can buy.
Also running a built RPG 5.2 predator engine. The overboost feature will not save you.
Just be careful!
Hey I really appreciate it. That is certainly the LAST thing I want. I will say that out of the box I ran into issues with the Turbosmart wastegates but so far the solenoid has been trouble free. After rebuilding and leak checking my solenoids my boost controller seems to be functioning properly. You are right though you can never be too safe and a better boost controller is likely a small cost to pay for peace of mind.
very impressed , well done! hats off to you Billy
Holy cow man great work!
Just subbed… Awesome build
That is so awesome Bill! Thats gonna be so fun!
Thanks Tom!!
Man ! One day I’ll be wealthy enough to do this 🤙 congratulations 🎉 beautiful Mach 1
Badass! I have the G3 currently, when I decide to upgrade turbos is the way! I got a velocity GT myself!
I have heard great things about the G3 superchargers. For the price and the power they make you cant beat them. The turbos are definitely fun if you dont mind a little lag down low before they spool up.
I'm not sure why you don't have more subs to your channel. This is great content! This would have convinced me to go with a Hellion kit, but I live in CA and I think I want something a little easier to de-mod if needed. 900+ at the wheels with that short of a mod list is insane!
Lol pass along the good word! Thanks for watching 😎
Yeah that kit turned your car into a monster…nice work too,I can’t wait to see more.
Thank you! Next racing event is in September. Im hoping to maybe get some better tires for it between now and then so I can comfortably turn the boost up on the street :)
Holy smokes! That's insanely impressive! Excited to see future vids! I went with ess g3 and on e85 I'm around 850rwhp on 9psi so this is wild to see! Great work man!
These cars are nuts! My tuner has a Mach 1 as well with a self made Vortech kit. His car made 838 on 12psi with MS109 in the tank. Its crazy how they just add timing if the octane is there and knock sensors are happy
💯That's a nice kit,the one I would buy,and good work on a clean install... would love to see dyno as you mentioned and track videos when colder weather arrives... talk soon.
For sure. Next race event is in early
September. I cannot wait to surprise some unsuspecting people who think its just a stock Mach
@@truckandroll989 " see you win again, now let's race for money" 😁
Doin’ it!!!
I would get E85 in that thing ASAP with a fore innovations return style fuel system. High compression needs good octane fuel to live a good long life.
E85 is likely in the more distant future. These pulls were done with 100 octane and the ECU was adding timing meaning knock sensors were happy. The DW400 ID1000s are ok on gas but undersized for the flow requirements of Ethanol. For any serious track days I will likely be adding race fuel with additional octane for safety
@@truckandroll989 don't worry I own a twin turbo s550 mustang as well on 20 psi + on high boost. You can see my channel as well . Octane booster foul spark plugs and coats them in this red material. It's just a bandaid but for the peace of mind, fuel system is required. It literally takes one bad gas to fuck up your ring lands.
@@uchinster8 i will check out your channel. Yea im going to be trying to minimize the usage of octane booster wherever possible whether that means buying race fuel or just running on low boost. Ive also been a bit more careful about which stations i go to in general - avoiding the grocery store chains, costco, discount gas etc.
Aweosme numbers man I’m sure the car feels awesome! Long way from the sonic blue 2V days! Haha
Lol you know it buddy. Back when our cars made half the power on the same amount of boost!
Is this kit specifically for the Mach 1 or do we order the GT version and it will work?
There are differences for
The Mach to mate to the GT350 intake, fit around various coolers, etc. You have to specify its a Mach for correct fitment
sorry if i missed but where's the white SN95?
It is sold my friend. Had to make room for the Mach
Taking bets on how long it's gonna take you to blow it up...hope you plan on putting that on U-Tube!!!!
Ooof Ive already blown up an LS7 i dont need to send these pistons to outer space too. I will likely drive it around on the street on low boost and only be turning it up with good fuel in the tank.
A build cost break down would be awesome! I just got my 22 Mach 1!
Yea i can probably put something together. Even doing all the work yourself between tuning costs, turbos, fuel system, random extra parts, you are going to be 10-11k into it
@@truckandroll989 please do this
Hay I have a question I j put long tube headers on and didn't flash the new tune yet and I have a check engine light is that normal?
Yea could be a number of things. Back in the day even with high flow cats. It would cause a CEL due to the cats being moved further away from the engine and thus taking longer to heat up and start working properly.
man i'd put that sucker at about 600wheel and enjoy a crapton of reliability.
Lol yea I think on a gen 1 block that would be conservative but is pretty ultra conservative on a gen 2 or 3 where these motors are good for 900-1000. That being said this car will rarely be driven on the high setting without some dedicated juice in the tank.
Curious what longevity is realistic at "only 600whp"?
From what I have heard you are extremely safe at 600whp. Dare I say indefinitely. Keep in mind too its how you make the power as well. A supercharger is putting extra strain on the crank at all times. Nitrous is only violent when it is being used BUT the initial hit is pretty hard (take a look at the torque curve on a nitrous dyno graph). Turbos aren’t doing anything negative until you are in boost. Even then it is ramping in boost unlike a Whipple or other positive displacement blower. My point is the number is just a number. Tuning, fuel, how you drive, how often you maintain, etc. means a lot as well.
Thanks for the video and congratulations on a great build. I was thinking pro-charger but this set up has got me questioning my decision (its not too, late my S550 hasn't even been delivered yet!). Sorry if this has already been asked but, I know the crank in these engines is bullet proof but I am worried about the rods. I dont plan on abusing my engine but how strong are they? Do you think they are the weakest link in a sealed Coyote?
I highly recommend you check out this video. They going into much more clear detail than I could regarding Gen 1 v 2 v 3 Coyote durability. I dont believe with gen 2 or 3 the rods or crank are an issue. 900-1000whp seems to be the limit (safely) for gen 2/3 but people routinely push past that.
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HAHAHA!!! You are nuts! For now you have the fastest Mach1 on Earth
Wow, at least 100HP more than I was expecting, how about you??
Yea it was huge. Made 906 and 903 then Lund reflashed the tune and added a bit more fuel. Im guessing it just liked the extra octane and added some more timing. Plus the turbos are likely getting closer to their peak efficiency range
@@truckandroll989 Awesome, Now you should have the 'ol Lady's Camaro covered. :)
Doubled the horsepower! What more could you ask for? Awesome
WOW!!! Awesome!!! Would you recommend TT for a daily driven Bullit?
Yea for sure. From a drivability standpoint I see no issues whatsoever. However, If it was my only vehicle and i was going for high mileage longevity I may play it safe and opt for the lighter wastegate spring so you could turn it down even further. They offer a spring which yields 5psi so maybe that equates to 600-650whp
Is that safe running 12lbs of boost on the stock motor?
With proper fuel yes. I dont run 12psi in it every day. I think 13-14 is likely the max id run racing even on E85
@@truckandroll989 i just bought a new 22 mach 1 3 weeks ago, im enjoying your content. I had a 19 PPL2 with a whipple that had 670 whp, i want some more out of this new car. thx
@@stupidfastgt5801 turbos offer a lot of room for growth. Plus you will make more power with less boost as compared to a supercharged car.
Why twin turbo over supercharger? I have a 2021 Mach 1, and leaning towards an ESS Supercharger several years (3-5 or so) down the line.
Oooo so many reasons where do I start.
1. Less stress on the motor. You aren’t driving a blower from the crank snout so you are not using hp to make hp. Overall at the same boost level a turbocharger will make more power than a supercharger
2. Ability to turn boost up or down on the fly. With 2 pushes of a button I can be at 750whp or 950whp. That sort of change requires tools on a supercharger
3. More torque. A turbo is going to make more torque than a supercharger
4. Somewhat similar nowadays but without boost the turbo drives 100% like a stock car
@@truckandroll989 Gotcha. All makes sense. My thinking has been a supercharger would be more reliable and less maintenance in the long run (but maybe not to your motor stress point?), but my goal is only 700-750whp and don't want to mess with extra fueling, and only plan on pump gas/93 oct. At that I've heard you're fine with doing nothing beyond the oil pump gear.
@@PapaP86 yea you could easily do that on wastegate pressure only (7psi) on the same setup that I have. Basically my kit minus the boost controller. You could also option the smaller turbos which doesn’t necessarily save you money but they spool faster if that is of concern. Either option would work (SC or turbo).
Did you get the screamer upgrade for the turbos?
Those numbers are impressive for the base turbos
I did not opt for the screamer upgrade. Yes these are the base turbos. I think the general misconception is you need to upgrade the turbos which come with the kit. The 62mm are honestly probably on the big side for most people. Id bet at this power level they are starting to get into a range where they are most efficient. You could even go smaller like a 55 or 58mm. I think the bit of lag you see with these actually helps traction
@@truckandroll989 Appreciate the reply. I optioned my kit out with the 68’s based upon the power I was looking for which is damn close to what you’re pulling down on the base turbos. Your video just saved me about 4200 bucks 👍
Hell yea! So you were able to swap out the 68s for the 62s? Yea Hellion says the 62s will support 1200hp. Im excited for you. You will love it
@@truckandroll989 Luckily I haven’t pulled the trigger on the setup yet. I’m still between the top mount kit and the sleeper kit.
@@thomasjones5541 ok phew thats good news. I cannot say anything bad about the sleeper option. I truly think there are probably less bends/piping for the sleeper kit and would suspect it keeps engine temps cooler being low mounted. Theres really no risk of hitting the turbos the only part below the frame are the two 2.5” charge pipes but they are tucked up close to the wheels so you’d have to hit something quite odd for it to be a problem. Speed bumps or anything like that wouldn’t be an issue.
What is the horsepower limit with twin turbo kit on 91?
It really depends car to car, gasoline quality, etc. For my specific setup on that day it was mid 700s on 91. On a cool winter day with great gas maybe a bit more. It all sort of depends
@@truckandroll989 I am also around 700 with my Whipple stage 2 setup maxing out 91 and was wondering if it's different with turbos since you have more control over boost. I guess it's basically the same. The biggest downside of the s/c for me is the heat it generates. If it's a hot day you can forget about any hard driving if you don't want to blow up the engine.
@@Rexgf8 watching my IATs on the dyno and street driving it has stayed super cool. Im sure the turbos are generating some heat but its all staying down low.