Electronic Musicians are Talentless.
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Since electronic musicians are so frequently accused of having no talent, I figured I'd explain to the uneducated people claiming it why they are wrong.
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I came here to say a massive juicy "ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT" but it turns out you actually appreciate electronic music
same, i saw the video and clicked ready to write a ten-paragraph essay in the comments why electronic musicians have talent until i realized the title of the video was sarcasm lmao
same here tho, just wanted to type a long ass hate commend of what the fuck is he talking about, but changed my mind
Me too😂
You guys are fam right here.
yeh same here, i was well ready to explode and leave a link to the making of breaking a sweat by skilled and the doors and tell him to watch that and shove everything he said up his arse but he actually appreciates us and our talents, just maybe the title was specifically set on triggering the edm population
_sees title_
*_triggered_*
_watches video_
*_oh ok_*
ImKyfry same
same
Yes. 100% yes
ImKyfry So Same(;
Same tho
my theory:
50%-70% of people who disliked didn't watch the video .....
well i did i even unsubscribed
Zinerab Kaito Or people that don’t even understand the video’s and his references
I had to mack a dislike on this video, he makes too many assumptions
I disliked the video when I clicked on it, then I removed the dislike 5 seconds later.
I almost didn't watch it tbh
The truth is, people who say this type of music requires zero talent connot produce music.
Dym Light Chronicles The truth is that you misspelled “cannot”.
@@ourladypeace3 The true thing is is that you're trying to start an "argument"
@@0ldb00e I just corrected a typo over a year ago it is not an emergency
@@ourladypeace3 still just ignore it
@@0ldb00e This was 2 years ago, please stop talking about it
When you said "Heavy Bass is just noise" I thought to myself, isnt all music just noise?
dukethedj Are you about to go all John Cage on us?
dukethedj Noise is a variety of sound. It means any unwanted sound. Sounds, particularly loud ones, that disturb people or make it difficult to hear wanted sounds, are noise.
The distinction between music and noise is mathematical form. Music is ordered sound. Noise is disordered sound.
chaosorr What happens when the music is completely improvised then, or relies on found sound and ambient room noise. I prefer the definition of music as "any sound capable of evoking an emotion."
misawa8629 You are using sounds (sounds is not music) for something that you want, in this case is make some beats or music, the definition of noise is any UNWANTED sound usually disturbing. When you improvise music it usually has a beat and if you want a melody is must have some tuning (even if it's not the classic CDEFGAB notes) and that makes an improvised piece with improvised instruments have a WANTED and ORDERED sound
+FoxGamer123 its only logical if you are a stoner or a little brat whos trying to sound smart. this statement is really stupid.. thats like saying "when i heard him say that heroin is a drug and drugs are bad, i thought to myself, isnt medicine a drug too?".
Take a shot every time someone doesn't watch the whole video
SirBanana I don't drink or want to get alcohol poisonong
SirBanana take a shot of peroxide every time this video is clickbait
But where's the fun in being sober?
SirBanana You get to laugh at the drunks who are behaving like 3 year olds ;)
So... That's like 7 billion shots... (Rounding)
“Electronic Music is Talentless.”
me: *lets them hear the minecraft ost.*
everyone else: 😢😢😭😣
Giorno i have seen you almost everywhere now
Oh look it's giorno
I don't get the joke
@@zototheo2580 Me neither lol
I think the common misconception is that electronic musicians aren't "real" musicians, however this couldn't be further from the truth . I'm a classically trained jazz/blues guitar player and I can also read music . Not to toot my own horn but i can also play the tenor sax (a little jazz joke for you hehe) . Guess what!!!!! when I'm in the recording studio i only have to worry about my part in the song...my piece ...my single slice of the whole . I write my part and hope I have band mates reliable enough to pull they're own weight . When your ears listen an " edm " track who do you think wrote those beautiful chords ? who do you think wrote that drum track ? . who do you think wrote that beautiful lead ? who do you think plays the role of the recording engineer ? who do you think did the sound design for all instruments ? .
If Beethoven were alive today he would be an electronic musician . One pro electronic track usually contains about 100 channels per project ....thats 100 elements that one person has to write and mix seamlessly together to make art . sound familiar ? yes it should! , it resembles a composer who writes every single line of music in a symphony .
people need to educate themselves . the computer does not make the music . it simply records the music they are generating through it's instruments .
musical scores for movies are mostly also written and made with computers now too . its more cost effective than having to record a whole orchestra , but again you need a composer to write the music . the computer wont do it for you ..
knowledge is key .
Never diminish ones accomplishments without ever fully knowing what it takes to get there .
These are not symphony that people admire, they hear the loops and love it.
@@pragyanur2657 Garageband is not the only DAW fyi
lmao GarageBand should never be called a DAW
1 word for you..... NERD
I doubt Beethoven would be a EDM musician. Creating symphonies and electronic music are no where near the same level and they never will be
i get this same crap for graphic design and digital art "you're not really doing anything though are you the computer is doing it for you"
yes, in much the same way leonardo da vinci did not paint the mona lisa, his paint brushes did
goteeemmm
daaaaaaaaaaaaaamnnnnnn
they don't know anything, digital art is so much harder than traditional imo
Yeah and in music people are just like "you just press buttons" Now I wanna see those people go into any DAW and press buttons and see how good of a song they creatw
though i appreciate yer thoughts id have to dissagree (though depending on what didgital art) its pretty much the same skill set, ive actually tested this, drew an eye, transfered the skills to a digital program and drew pretty much the same eye digital only gets harder when you look into motion graphics 3d and vector drawing, other than that we have an undo button lol
As an illustrator, I hear the same argument made about digital art. It's not about the tools that you use, it's about the compositions and ideas you create with them. Guitars, laptops, drums, pianos.. they're all just tools to bring your ideas to fruition.
tools to bring your ideas to fruition... nice phrase, I shall use that.
Dylan Quinn the difference is, with a guitar or piano, you need to spend years of practice to even make the "casio keyboard preset". On FL Studio you completely bypass the learning and move straight into composition, which you have to do on an instrument as well. Therefore, EDM require OBJECTIVELY less talent than a traditional instrument.
Nah you software is the instrument. Composing require skill with a instrument, but so does EDM. Most EDM musician actually need practice with another instrument to even be able to produce something listenable.
To reuse Dylan Quinn example, having a drawing tab wont make you a good illustrator if you never drawn a thing in your life. You can start with it but dont think you will produce something better just because you do it digitaly
NinjaSpaceMonkey We don't listen to a someones music based on how long it takes them to learn how to play a certain instrument ,so why this is a big deal if a musician used real instruments or not is beyond me.
People who don't repdect digital artists disgust me
The reason that EDM draws people in is because the melodies are often more complex than those of modern pop
The statement that they don’t have talent would also be applicable to the people who write those pop songs
The whole ‘physical talent’ eg singing or playing an instrument would be redundant without music to play, so the writing is the most important part and does require talent.
Except nowadays modern "edm" is the same shit over and over again, and you need to dive into the depths to find gold
2012: *nope*
2013:*nah fam*
2014:*nope, not yet*
2015:*nah B*
2016:*wait for it*
2017:*almost there*
2018:*ONE MORE YEAR*
2019: Recommended Section: *recommendeds a video from 7 years ago*
Thanks for the unoriginal comment, should have posted 3 years ago. Thanks again.
@@ourly Actually nobody cares, try not being toxic
@@elecity2117 These comments are kinda getting annoying though because I see them all the time...
2020: *Hmmm, how 'bout we do that again?*
This is the mood pf my yt notifications
Computer=Machine, Tool, Source of Music and Artistic ExpressionElectric Guitar= Machine, Tool, Source of Music and Artistic Expression
Yea most arguments made against electronic music are pathetic... A trash can could be a musical instrument if you wanted it to
***** and thus, Stomp was born.
+MrARKY89 your right. another point is that a computer can be a clock, a gaming system, a tv (netflix), a messaging system, a stopwatch, a timer and many many other things. so i see absolutely no reason why it can't be an instrument.
+MrARKY89 Every piano artist performs the same piece in different way. Groove is different, Accents can be different, volume in certain parts can be different.
EDM producers are not making tracks that are this deep. Reverb , EQ, Filters, Compressors,Limmiters,Phasers,Falangers sure there is a lot of shit to learn.
However it is never going to be as skilldependant as Playing Piano at a respectable level. There is absolutely no comparison.
Additionally if we're to talk about WORLD class skill levels, the skill-gap is so fking big between say Chopin and Tiesto that it's not even funny.
Coming from a PIano Player and an amateur Producer.
Bottom line is this
In a band every instrument is alive as opposed to being mechanical and mathematical.
***** I am inclined to agree with you on that. The point is and all things considered, a computer can play music just as a conventional instrument can. I am not saying that it takes as much of the nuanced effort and skill that you have described of musicians who play conventional instruments. All I am saying is that music is music and anything that it used to create music can be considered a musical instrument.
*angry comment posted before watching video*
😂😂😂
Legit half of them
Ugh. Get off the Internet.
angry reply to the angry comment
ARRRGGG!!!
*YOU SUCK THEY SUCK GUESS WHAT GET FUCKED*
Jk that line is from a song called "get this" by slipknot
Bjork once said, "if electronica has no soul, its because no one put it there", and you can rest assure Mr. Real Instrument wasn't going to try, especially since he does not have to ability to do so. But what do I know? Back to my keyboard and laptop then.
Why do peiople judge musicians when they don't play an instriment
People didn't seem to watch the whole video
Except the point of the video is to argue why the title is wrong.
Just watch the first minute of it
I like your profile picture
NemuriNemuri They let themselves be mislead by the title.
This pfp
That track at 0:37 was pure fire 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
Release the extended version pls...
hunter hopkinson this is the funniest thing I've seen all day, thank you
the bass drop was fuckin insane
TAKO my ears were practically bleeding
why this masterpiece isn't in spotify???
It sort of reminded me of the pingu theme song
Finally someone who understands the level of complexity involved with electronic music production. Thank you for existing 🙏
I'm actually a rock,metal fan, also can play a guitar, but I DO like electronic songs tho. Both are great in their own ways
Metal head doesn't listen to kpop gay
@@brianenel506 So trueee
That dude needs to listen to the algorithm.
So long story short, we electronic musicians are cats
thats a plus in my eyes
Official Explex that's one way to look at it
yup i know more about myself now
meow
Official Explex Good, I like cats more than dogs anyways
Why can't people just like music
maybe some people just dont enjoy edm. not because they need something to hate.. they just.. well.. dont enjoy it.
they can not enjoy it thats fine but this video is specifically about the people who actively hate on edm producers calling them talentless
ikr
That's what I though
Why can't people just understand that other people can hate if they feel like it or want to.
I make electronic music on my channel and this kid at school is always telling me that “oh, electronic music isn’t real music” or “oh, I bet that music doesn’t take any time or effort”. In some cases, that’s true, if you only use pre-recorded loops from the internet or something, but when you’re actually writing the chords and melodies and the beats and all, it takes a LOOOONNG time. I first started just using loops and all, which took no effort, but when I resorted to writing actual stuff, most of my songs took up to 3 WEEKS TO MAKE. I listened to so many tracks better than mine and just kept thinking that it was impossible to get that good. I tried and tried and I got better, but it’s still very difficult to get that good at electronic music. It requires lots of learning and talent.
just started composing electronic music last year. it's so technical. I've played bass guitar for 16 years and I'm more impressed at people who can compose electronic music. just my opinion.
I actually threw a ball for a cat and it fetched, so yeah.
you have a awesome cat
yes, some edm artists can in fact also play the guitar
you stupid fuck
Siren Msp
Skrillex has also covered this topic.
My cat fetches too
I'm a metalhead, I have a friend who creates music with launchpads. Well, I tried and... It's hard.
Wtf
let your friend buy a DAW
You don't know the real talentless creators...
NIGHTCORE CREATORS
true dat
Yessir
I agree!
fax fax
*Change track to a higher sample rate*....."I am a nightcore creator. Haahhaha."
It's just pushing buttons.... hurr Dee hurr... well.... So is playing the piano.
At the end of the day you have to know the instrument to be able to understand what goes together. At the very basics know piano because a whole combination of keys is what gives the best sounds, not just two or 3 keys used at most. Then you layer sounds like having two melodies, one being the main and one quietly in the background to add depth. Drums, adding them in a way that it doesn't just sound like they're taken from a different song and added on.
Everything has to flow together and sit well with each other to give a full sound.
When I played piano, I first had to discover that 3-button chords are not automatically better than single notes or 2-button chords. In my experience, 2-button chords are, most of the time, more powerful than 3-button chords or even 4-button chords.
@@sosasees They're keys, not buttons... :/
@@ngplayers3053 same thing
@@highlander1075 It's not the same thing lmao.. We don't call (key)board's have keys, not "buttons". Just like how Violin's have strings, not "wires". Lmao
@@ngplayers3053 yeah but buttons and keys involve pressing them down so they're similar, sorry for saying they're the same thing
I used to think dubstep would be easier than rock until I transitioned into trying to make it myself. For one thing, sound design is incredibly difficult, especially when the line between amazing original synth and ear-bleeding noise is razor thin. There's a great deal of science as well as trial and error involved that nobody thinks about. You think, "oh, he just opens up the 'crazy wubwubwub' instrument and writes some notes," but if you're legit you tend to design those sounds yourself with painstaking detail and effort.
SOMEONE FINALLY UNDERSTANDS!
"the line between amazing original synth and ear-bleeding noise is razor thin" great way to put it
filters easy beginner effects i threw away my bass filter synth, triggers all sensitive n wonky. typical funk muze junk. Im working on new music. rings crushers gates moded boutique pedals post edits loopers modulation exp trails. makes edm sound like a daycare sing a long. dub step lol the correct pedal and ear n equipment, a one trick pony. try vr music surround sound n not sone wall of turd sound stripped down jazz metronome bull. even kurt cobain hated his music. it was dumb.
Can someone please explain to me what this says, I've only just started my music GCSE and the only thing i understood was "modulation" and "metronome" ... and obviously a few other things but you get the gist.
tehonlyzelda no idea coming from an a level guy
The 5 k dislikes probably didn't even watch the first ten seconds 😂
ikr
i'll tell u that i watched the half of the video and i tell you i like it, so please dont make an opinion without knowing if the dislikes are because of that ;)
Emilianeo Jerez what?
Allen Iverson I disliked because of the clickbait title.
+Werwa it was a beginning of an argument. Not clickbait, by my standards.
He : Edm music does't have soul.
Le Illenium : Hold My Guitar
Avicii also
"these people are not talentless. they have different types of talent that I don't enjoy as much."
so happy this got in my reccommendation. miss you dave!
producers should be compared to composers, not performers
Thank you.
What do you do when the performer is also the composer...like pretty much EVERY metal band ever?!
@ Left Hook Wheres your point, cause I don't see any. But here's an attempt to explain, typically when you as a producer are asked to perform, you DJ
@@lefthook4878 What's your point?
"Has no soul or heart"
...
To anyone who thinks this about EDM, or any genre of music/umbrella term, you are wrong, oh very wrong.
If you don't like EDM, fair enough, but to say it contains zero soul, heart or emotion is incorrect.
b r e e z y n/a Illenium lifts my soul
+Black Crow Are you talking POPular music or the genre Pop? Because a lot of Pop nowadays actually goes under the team Indie Dance, if you enjoy a song that's Indie Dance, it's very likely it is Pop.
Even more popular genres can have good songs in them (in my opinion), but I see what you mean, everyone is entitled to their opinions.
I listen to electronic music religiously and people give me so much shit cause they don’t think it’s good... while they go and listen to someone talk really fast about sex, drugs, and alcohol... like really? I love how people give edm so much shit when I don’t give them and shit about their music...
I like Rap and EDM tbh, Lo-Fi Hip Hop and Chill Hop are two of my favourite genres and even darker Hip Hop songs where people rap about sex, drugs etc are usually hit or miss.
Thing as that I hate that people think about electronic music.....
1) all electronic music is called dubstep
2) electronic music is made with one of those dumb apps you can get from the play store
3) making electronic music is easy
PLAY3ER SLAY3R Yesyesyes!
You don't like Dubstep?
@@Abandoned171 no, Dubstep is my favourite subgenre actually. It's just some people think edm is one genre and they think it's all called Dubstep
Playing piano is pressing buttons,
Playing guitar is pulling and pressing strings,
Playing drums is just hitting things with sticks,
Playing flute is just breathing,
Playing trumpet is breathing and pressing buttons,
Playing saxophone is also just pressing buttons and breathing,
Playing trombone is breathing and sliding brass,
Playing clarinet is breathing and pressing buttons,
Playing bass is pulling and pressing strings while being EPIC,
Producing is pressing buttons on technology.
This comment is telling me you really don’t know anything about instruments or producing
Your comment is telling me that you have the ability to press buttons on a keyboard while looking at a screen, because that’s what you did by typing that comment.
Idiota
@@vosaemify
Yeah, the majority of the people never even took a look at Fl Studio.....but they say it requires no talent.... sure, if you show them an appropriate EDM studio and tell them to make a nice beat in 10 minutes, since "anyone can do it in 10 minutes" they won't even know what buttons to touch
Exactly a DAW is an instrument within itself.
Hanzo a DAW is a tool, not an instrument. However I agree, composing electronic music is not as easy as many believe.
stupid guy:I can make a song as good as that in 10 minutes
Producer:Oh sure go ahead
*puts an EDM Studio*
stupid guy:ok
*10 minutes pass*
Producer:ok so what have you made?
stupid guy:here...
*silence*
Accurate
Well said my friend
"Normal" musicians play instruments. EDM producers have to make their instruments.
I'm sure instruments don't just spawn. Like any electronic instrument, an instrument has to be crafted.
Regardless, I'm quite sure most musicians don't craft their own instruments O_o
TRUTH
If you call taking a beat from the libary, modifying it a little bit, and putting it in a row with the other beats making instruments, ok.
Wosrethot Well, a DJ is like a one-man band. They produce a lot of songs with a lot of sounds by themselves. In a band, there's a group of people all working on a song together.
Owl City (Adam Young) mostly makes electronic music. It's really good.
Yeah no
@@burger322 Shut
@@mrbuffwoopmusic8788 both me you everyone s h u t
@@mrbuffwoopmusic8788 shut start now!
Music is just wiggly air. Musicians are magicians of the wiggle.
This quote is underrated
weirdest tennis commercial ever
I was expecting shit when I clicked on this video.
I got counterbaited.
Darkxellmc Vote here: www.strawpoll.me/15161433/r
Same, he owned us
same mate
Darkxellmc same
The title was quite misleading, made me think he was ranting about electronic music. Either way, I was glad it was misleading.
I loved the Skrillex reference, "nobody knows how to play the guitar"
👍🏻This Really gets to me Since Many Peoples Told me That Electronic Music aren't Really a music, While I started to make a Electronic music. This speech Gives me more Encourages and Hopes for my Way!
This dude is a troll. Clicked on the video to dislike it. Watched the video.
Liked it
Frenchcore4Evur ikr
More like an anti troll
Frenchcore4Evur i did the same exact thing
same
Frenchcore4Evur same lol
I had to check to see if my speed was x1.5.
Lovecraft Fiend oof
Lovecraft Fiend i thought mine was 2x so i went ti check too xd
One of the comments at the beginning of the video said:
“take away computer whadda they got? NOTHIN!”
That’s like saying:
“screw these piano players, take away piano and whadda they got? NOTHIN!”
hahaha that skrillex reference at 02:26 was priceless!
awesome video
I play guitar and record it into mixes, as well as piano... yet apparently on not artistic... lol
Haha, he was inspired by Skrillex
Personally I don't care if you have talent or nah,if I like how it sounds that's it! Good enough
ikr
exactly
...me
Finally someone said it
@IamBroedy umm ok
Hey look it's DeadCat5 in the background
UnPhayzable or Meowingtons, the name of his actual cat
UnPhayzable doesn't really work
Mr. Meowingtons! :3
Its funny cos mau is cat in chinese
Deadpu55y
This applies to all genres of music, and sometimes porn.
fucking great comment
This is ....... True...
I can't say I disagree with you
00:36 I've always wondered if we'll get the full version one day
How many downvotes you think were from people not even watching the video?
10k downvotes
@@ghjghghjgjhghgk lul
I don’t have the budget to own all the instruments, such as guitars, keyboards, drums, etc., to make music with actual instruments. Therefore, I use electronic instruments to make music, which still needs the talents of understanding music.
Actually, the budgets the same for both.
WebMint What? How?
Owning guitar(s) (at least 80 bucks each), keyboard (100) drums (anywhere from 300 to 1000), sound recording equipment and soundproofing (???? A LOT), AND a computer to edit it all with software which you'll have to use at least a little anyway if you're gonna master it yourself without extra equipment.
OR The computer, software, and a decent midi keyboard. Budgets not the same especially if you delve into more expensive instruments like low brass or just multiple winds instruments. They're super expensive. Some music software and plugins can be really fuckin expensive too, but **cough cough** piracy **cough cough**
Tamara You have no feel & soul... You're a digital & a joke musician...
You're just a another slave of millenial music genres today. You words defined you as a lazy musician...
@Princexedrhic Maano tell me this is a joke. please
So acoustic guitar players are full of talent, but if they do the same thing on an electric guitar, they become talentless???
Even from the point of view of people who subscribes to the notion this video is trying to debunk, this makes little sense. Electric guitars are still guitars. They just happen to amplify your sound and add effects.
I guess you could make an analogous argument though by saying "playing power chords is talentless cause all you're doing is just tapping the frets and the amp does all the work to amplify and sustain the sound." Maybe this is what you mean?
People who say electronic music requires no talent can't make anything themselves argument.
I like.
Cat argument.
Like revoked.
Davesteins theory of relativity is gonna be a breakthrough in the scientific world...
it's based on a quote people attribute to Einstein
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
but he didn't really say that well he might have but there's no proof he did it's just a blurb people band about, true enough though :P
dat calculation tho yeah but the soundtrack guy no.2 made is a music industry breaker
charlie champagne
That is the worlds best quote. Until you find out that there actually are fish that can cilmb trees.
He's right on the instrument thing in large part, know many a dudes that were metalheads and went to be dj's of relatively known calibers, they still jam metal and then play sold out shows and festivals. Also, just check out something like Blut Aus Nord's new album, and fusions of metal and electronic are massive.
dat calculation tho I like how it has nothing to do with relativity lol. Still a pretty good nerd joke for us science fanatics.
The title makes you hate the video
But the content makes you love the video..........
BRILIANT!!!!!!!
Seems like a song he made a while back...
That's just how his videos are lmao
c l i c k b a i t
AGREE!! lol
“hi”
That was so “hi” pitched!
😉
I saw the title and I came here to rant. But I applaud you! It's really hard to make something that sounds decent.
I think a lot of the argument against electronic musicians is the fact that a lot of artists don't recreate the music step by step on stage. They press play on their laptop in front of a crowd. What a lot of people fail to realize/think about is the amount of time and effort that goes into writing and creating those pieces. I can play guitar, I can play drums, piano, and I sing. I can write parts for any instrument in a typical 4/5 piece outfit... But if you put a computer in front of me with programs like FL Studio on it and ask me to compose an EDM track, I'm dumbfounded. Different strokes for different folks, and a completely different (and equally difficult) skillset.
Wesley Thoman exactly and that’s what makes this video arguments really wrong, all keys have a note and to remember all is like dealing with 200 thoughts
pin this
Llew The Last Dream ikr
Still does not change the fact that the music made is shit.
Tathagata Choudhury although I agree that it isn't my cup of tea, there's no need to bash other people's work and passion. I just choose not to listen.
Electronic music is like the human body. Simple on the outside, and extremely complex on the inside. Ive been making music for years. EDM is the most rewarding genre of music to make that I've come across so far (especially when you find those sounds and chords and patterns and mixes that collectively sit just right together!!!!) Though machines can produce the harsh synths and riffs for you at the click of a button, being able to understand when you have a particular melody or a drum pattern staring at you right in your face that has the potential to give people the chills is a talent all on it's own. I still haven't grasped what this genre is all about after all my years as it's always developing, but one thing for sure is that I respect the hell out of Electronic Musicians worldwide. Great video! :)
What are you doing on a boyinaband video m8?
Keep on telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about not having taste.
As an electronic musician I really agreed with many points you made in this video
Exactly. As someone who knows music production, Production requires extreme creativity.
Can I buy 0:36 on itunes
Louie R
I need that piece 😩
XD
It probably should have a name like "baby farts in the bathtub"
Flávio true
Louie R *$0.10*
You sound like one of my dads friends I don't know who would come and talk to me while my dads away for 5 minutes
11K people disliked without watching the video lol
I’m scrolling through the thousands of comments that are misinterpreting this entire video, just to give people a quick summary that haven’t watched the video properly and disliked just from looking at the title. He’s arguing against the people that claim electronic musicians have no talent and that it actually requires a lot of effort to produce soundtracks such as EDM, Dubstep and other categories.
ONCE AGAIN.
He is not insulting the musicians, he is just making a statement that there are so many electronic musicians that are quite good and use hours of hard work to produce the song. The title is very misleading 😂😂
As someone who has played instruments throughout their life (mainly guitar and piano, and can play a few others such as drums), honestly, the amount of knowledge and skill it takes to create a professional edm track is insane. I've been working a decent amount on trying to produce electronic music for almost 6 months now, and honestly, if you think any form of EDM takes no skill, you really don't know what you're talking about.
FYI, if you don't listen to any EDM, EVERY SONG YOU LISTEN TO HAS BEEN PROFESSIONALLY MIXED AND MASTERED. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO A RAW RECORDING OF SOMEONE SINGING AND PLAYING INSTRUMENTS. Professional mixers/masterers do a good amount to a recorded *insert any genre such as rock, screamo, metal, etc.* track. All of the vocalists have been autotuned to some degree, and all instruments are also edited a good bit to sound better and blend better in the mix. Literally, no song made nowadays hasn't been edited in some form.
Oh and FYI, that first song he played at 0:36, no one using any DAW on their first, or even 10th time could even make that. Sure, maybe the melody isn't complex, but there's WAY more to it than just coming up with melodies and drum loops. There's compression, EQ'ing, mixing/mastering,etc. If you created that same melody he made, and you don't know anything about what I mentioned above, the song will come out not sounding anywhere near as it did lmao
I like those people who say edm is auto-tone unlike the real music. All music is auto-tune no matter what genre its auto-tuned or edited.
If creativity is supposedly limitless why would anyone assume that the tools we use to express that creativity should be limited? I do not understand why there is any argument about this at all.
David Turner cause people need something to bitch about basically
4:01 I know that this video is old but still this did not quite work out....
2:25 Nice Skrillex Reference
Electronic music has ALOT of talent and can take a really long time.
who else didn't like it so it would stay at 69 likes
Whatever takes creativity takes talent
But that does not make it music. It is an imitation of music. Holding the definition of music is not a positive or a negative thing, so you don't need to feel insulted when sounds compiled on a computer are not considered to be music. A team of scientists, engineers, and programmers can spend thousands of hours creating a robot with very real-seeming intelligence, but even after all their talent, education and hard work that imitation intelligence is defined as "Artificial-Intelligence" or AI. "Electronic DJs" make "Artificial-Music" or AM.
@@ELMATAGACHATUBERS-hf2vo Plucking a string several times in just the right way takes musical talent, with an instrument that creates a sound, a musical instrument. Pressing buttons, and clicking a mouse, certainly take talent, just not musical talent. You might say it takes a musical ear, and you're correct in the same way a person with a talented or at least an informed (they know what real beef tastes like) palette eating an "impossible burger" made of fake beef tastes like beef. But no matter how much its tastes like beef, no matter how many people like it, no matter the talent or creativity behind the creation of this fake beef, it is not beef.
Yes sometimes but it can also take no time at all and be dead simple but as long as it's catchy it will go big, doesn't matter if it's a piece of crap that takes no skill
I don't have any real reason for not liking electronic music, I just don't particularly enjoy it, but I have to agree with the points you made
Connor Hare and thats an entierly fair opinion to have! Different tastes and all. :)
Question for you: what electronic music have you heard?
I find if rough to find, well, any type of music that I really like, but electronics is mostly used out of laziness and because if the infinite potential it has, in my mind there's about zero good electronic music that really comes to the surface.
While there is sub-genres in electronic music if you tend to dislike the sound then I understand how most electronic music would turn you off. It's all a matter of preference.
listen to "silent enemy - diabolic ".. thank me later
Have you heard electronic rock like Celldweller/Scandroid, Blue Stahli, Zardonic, Voicians, The Maniac Agenda, Veela, Krewella?
People who say edm is trash are the same people who listen to designer and modern rap music which most of these artists have no talent. And the argument that edm has no soul in it is just wrong everytime I listen to songs like futurecode dancing in the rain or slow burn by culture code and alexa ayaz i feel as if my soul is leaving my body and going somewhere else.
SAYING EDM HAS NO SOUL TO THE MUSIC IS LIKE SAYING SAYING THE SKY ISNT BLUE😒
It's BLUE?!?
@@marykelebia8852 really😂😂😂
I’m on both sides. I listen to rock bands that DON’T use technologic instruments. For example: (mostly) Queen, Slipknot, System Of A Down, The Pixies, etc. I also listen to bands or solo musicians that DO use technologic instruments. For example: Robert Delong, Eric Prydz, Glass Animals, Sub Urban, Gorillaz, etc. So, in my eyes, both sides can be right, & wrong.
If you push the logic of those who claim that "anybody with a computer could slap music together in ten minutes" a step or two further, I add that by the same logic it could be said that anyone with a computer and some game design software should also be able to slap together a AAA game title, or give them some animation software and they can churn out a cinematic quality movie.
Like you said, apples to orange comparisons just fall apart or fail to work, they are built on a foundation of faulty logic that makes the whole argument fall apart.
Just because computers are involved in the process does not mean these things lack skill, it's just a different facet of skill involved and it deserves just as much respect. I had a friend once that made music on the computer and to this day I still look at some of their work and find wonder in the creation because I know the time and effort that went into it.
When they say that, ask them to ditch their phones (computers!) into the rubbish bin, not to ever book a ticket and board a plane (oh wait... computers involved! It mus be easy!), live without electricity (because we all know the grid is managed by dwarves and fairies, right? Right?!), watch TV, listen to the radio or go the movies (computers running those things... again...), and strip naked and start levitating because - you guessed it - computers are involved in clothes and street/building manufacturing, and it is not done in 10 minutes. If after that, they collapse dead on the floor.... good riddance ;)
2 words: very true
Facts. Is animating a fight scene easier than filming one?
@@PengyDraws what type of animation are we talking about here? mo-cap? 2d? 3d? 4D?
@@canadianbluepants9446
True, Mo-cap is easier compared to other forms of animation in part.
But honestly 4D animation is a joke. Try 5D animation. (And isn't 3D animation technically 4D animation in part?)
Go on Fl studio for 10 minutes and come back and tell me EDM producers are talentless
***** Ableton is a lot better for beginners in my opinion :)
Matthew99
It works well but I'm not a big fan of the synths that come included with Cubase, if you're willing to go and get your own sounds then you can make Cubase work really well
Matthew99
True but I was thinking more as someone who has only just got into synthesis, I'd rather go with Ableton Live Suite than any other DAW due to the quality of the effects included and the actual synths they give you, while you can customize other DAWs with VSTs I just think that for a beginner that's a lot of running around that could easily be avoided, I'm also a fan of using the clip view in Ableton for arranging parts so that also plays into it a bit
Rangers 54 I know it's been a while since you posted this but i agree i use fl studio and i'm still getting my EDM career started, i want to become a EDM producer and i'm never going to give up on that dream EDM producers have talent
Go on *Reason or BitWig* for 10 minutes and come back and tell me EDM producers are talentless
FTFY. Reason and BitWig are, as I've heard, far more complicated.
"Has no soul or heart"
Listen to Stobe by deadmau5
such a timeless record
Binary Finary - 1998
Ayla - Dj Taucher remix
Energy 52 - cafe del mar
Chicane - saltwater
Rank 1 - Airwave
and plenty more...
@@emilfender7123 illenium - take you down
Panda eyes - back again
Many Hardstyle tracks can put a tear in my eyes. These people just haven't heard the right one.
@@samkarro this hardstyle track will make you travel through your soul :, ) "phuture noize - circles and squares"
0:37 Sick jam actually, are you guys releasing the full track?
I'm a classical musician (I play the piano and sing opera), but I somehow missed the memo that classical musicians are supposed to look down on other musicians as being talentless hacks who don't know "real music".
While I prefer playing classical, I like listening to a lot of different styles, including electronic. And even those I don't like, I still recognize them as "real music".
Because how in the world could something be "fake music"? There is no wrong was to express something in the musical form.
AMEN
True dat
Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture called for a cannon to be fired (a real one, no fake gun sounds) 16 times. Truly as sissy as they get...
i bet Tchaikovsky would like to use what cannon on you for liking electro
+SissyFlower5 Sadly, that is how many people who complain about music are. They only consider their music to be the "real music" and anything else is fake or bad. I grew up listening to lots of classic and alternative rock. I've bounced from a little bit of country, to metal, to now electronic/house music. I like just about any song that sounds good to me (which includes something from any genre), but to call any music fake is just idiotic. Music is music, there is no wrong or right way to do it. It's an art and is an expression of the artist who made it. You may not like certain style of art, but you can't call it fake because there is no such thing. The world is full of critics though and we just have to ignore and live with them.. lol
I used to have this mindset... until I actually started making electronic music. As someone who plays a real instrument I think making an electronic song is actually even more difficult than making one in real life. The reason is, when making electronic music you have to
1. Basically make the intstruments
2. Make them sound good
3. Create a good melody
4. Make the structure
5. Add effects to the instruments
6. Find good samples
7. Make fine adjustments to make things perfect
And keep in mind, a lot of us do this with just a keyboard and mouse.
Exactly, thank you.
Ben Apsley I make music on my phone. It's quite convenient if you ask me.
Human No. 8 agreed
Yeah, with prerecorded tracks on garageband...
I would argue though that the time it takes to be a top level electronic musician is nowhere ear as much as being a top level guitarist or drummer. The amount of practice it takes to maintain that level of excellence on a real instrument is ridiculous
Bruh tf are these classical musicians saying. I bet their brains can't keep up when talking about fm synthesis in front of their face.
electronic music is limitless... you can also add real instruments to it... vocals... everything... you can create cinematic music ... its just limitless
*laughs in classical*
Laugh at heretics who thinks electro is hard because they have to learn the basics Lol FUCKING SUB-HUMANS
*laughs telepathically*
*Laughs in BASS BOOST*
laughs ironically ( i n t h e f u t u r e )
yes it is I, Dance Channel, the famous youtuber, making a comment on another famous youtuber's video. i know all of you are quite surprised to see me, but this proves that I'm a normal guy just like you.
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To be a digital musician means to know how computers work as well as how sound works, including mathematics. People with negative comments about it should just shut up.
Fuck you
Translates to people with different viewpoints and tastes should just shut up.
Translates to you do you and let them do them.
Avo Gaming Oh, so people aren't allow to have free speech now? SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS!!!! Come arrest this disgusting miscreant!
lol if you think I'm an SJW because I think EDM is shit, then you've got me all wrong xD I don't deny there is probably some talent in making EDM, the same way there is probably some talent in burping your ABCs, doesn't mean it's good or something I want to hear. At the same time you're entitled to your opinion about EDM. That's literally what I said as opposed to what this guy said: If you dislike EDM then you should just shut up.
this guy is amazing. he can change people's minds without getting angry and going on a rant
not for me
Thanks to electronic music though, you can make an entire orchestral score while just being one person, since these days, people can’t devote their time to showing up somewhere to run a musical session except five-man bands, where the case is that they are most likely neighbors. To get hundreds of people involved is to most likely impede on the time that they need for something important, or for them to impede on their own time against their own important needs. In fact, as someone with a youtube channel that is entirely a one-man effort, I see a lot of talent in people who can essentially “play multiple instruments at once” with electronic music, and that isn’t me being narcissistic, there is nobody who knows more about you than yourself, so it is more efficient to think about the same thing rather than attempt to imprint a desired pattern into what may likely be a stubborn mind.
The title is really misleading. I genuinely thought you agreed with the title but it was a video to attack those dumb statement. Once again dave, pleasently suprised
I think this is clickbait or intentionally misleading, but a meaningful one. Since this video DEFINITELY needs attention, it MUST have a clickbait if you want to spread a message. And the way he picked the title is genius.
JoshTGDG oh yeah i didnt say it was bad its just misleading
Oh no no no no no... I didn't meant that your comment is something bad, but just a random opinion. Sorry for the misunderstanding...
Hol up... a resolution of an argument without a flame war? This shit's rare af
EliteEpicGamerz yea I acctually clicked the video becouse of it and even before it had opened i had angry comment to post in my head...but then....
Hardcore Nickelback and Bon Jovi fan here. I strongly believe that all electronic music should be banned from all radio stations, television music channels, and the internet asap as it's all just techno crap. There is only one sub-genre of electronic music and that is techno crap. Anybody caught producing or even just merely listening to techno crap should be arrested, prosecuted, and serve a minimum prison sentence of at least 5 years. There is nothing creative or talented about producing techno crap. All you do is press one single button, and the computer makes the whole entire track for you in just 2 seconds. Even a deaf, dumb and blind person can easily do that.
Every single track sounds exactly the same because in actual fact, there is only one track that's ever been made, and I call it techno crap. DJ's just take that one single track and then call it their own after pressing one single button. I am very narrow minded and believe everybody in the world should agree with me, because I am 100% correct. There is no relativity except mine, especially when I talk about any electronic music (or should I say techno crap!)
Any techno crap posted on youtube should be marked as spam and taken down immediately. I am thinking of starting a petition to ban all electronic sounds worldwide as I utterly detest them and think they are destroying the human race and are bad for you. They give me severe migraines to the point where I feel physically sick. Aggressive, loud shouting about negative subjects in hard rock and heavy metal music never gives anyone a headache though, obviously! No matter how brilliant an electronic sound may appear to be, it is always realistically utter garbage because it's all just techno crap.
All people who produce and listen to techno crap are high as a kite on drugs 24/7 and have zero intelligence. Anybody who likes American rock or metal on the other hand, has never touched a single drug in their whole life and never ever will do. After all, they are classed as highly intellectual beings and the only people worth living.
If I hear what I think to be a fantastic American rock album, but the very last track has a split second of an electronic sound at the end, I bin it! Bon Jovi and Nickelback would never dream of utilizing electronic sounds in their music.
I FUCKING HATE ELECTRONIC SOUNDS!! I FUCKING HATE TECHNO CRAP!!
Can anyone detect any sarcasm here? Just wondered. I rest my case, rant over.
Took waaaaay too much time to get your point of sarcasm across bud. But I do see were it's coming from. You do sound like one of those Electro haters that have no clue what the genre is.
I know, but as you can guess I'm just blatantly ripping the piss out of all those people who say electronic music is pointless and not real music.
So you want to put me, a 10 year old producer from denmark to prison because you don't like dubstep or EDM? Jesus, calm down
Duckface, I love EDM. I am simply taking the piss out of people who hate it.
Wait it was a joke...
3:43 I don’t, I expect new and exciting things where you can tell who it is by, for example, daft punk, you can always tell if it is daft punk or not because daft punk did new and exciting things that does not always sound like the same person made it
There are electronic artists who have signature styles, Flying Lotus, Aphex Twin, Hudson Lee are examples.
Saying computer generated music has no soul is saying that both the undertale, and celeste soundtracks don't invoke emotions.
There is only good or bad music/musician. Genre doesn't matter.
Guthrie Govan wisdom words....
good or bad is an opinion. Therefore there is no right or wrong. There is only opinions.
bldwldr my mind... xcfyvgiuobgih xD
Yes it does bro. I mean some music has a completely different prerogative than others. I mean I understand that making a musically "correct" piece is either yay or nay but really to one person it sounds like garbage to another it speaks to their soul.
codemiesterbeats Well that's true too. I like only, maybe 3 or 4 rap/hiphop songs. Not my genre. Still you can hear when composer/musician is good.
Is Justin Bieber a good musician? Do teenager girls really like his music or it's puberty-hormons-psyhology thing. What if the same music is sang by a 50yo? Would those teen girls still buy all those albums and go to a concert?
Question is when people evaluate music, do they evaluate only music as it is or other stuff comes in mind too? Let's say some musician comes out as a gay and some fans immediately stop liking his songs or positiv racism among african americans etc.etc. ...
I just hate people who think that all EDM is 'noise' and 'wubz' with no emotion or soul. There are plenty of very talented music producers who produce amazing dance music with emotion like Porter Robinson, Illenium, Audien, Zedd, Project 46 etc
Porter is my waifu
*coughdeadmau5cough*
"Swine" & "aura" are two songs by lady gaga with deep meanings, aura is about hiding in fame, and Swine is about her rapist. and they are both such good EDM songs
and besides, EDM is much different from in general, electronic music, as many come to learn.
+Luca Perugini
Yeah, actually, Zedd has ghost-produced many of Lady Gaga's tracks.
I think a good argument he could have mentioned is that, depending on the genre, alot of EDM Musicians literally create their own sound from scratch, with tousands of little knob tweaks on a synthesizer. Compare that to your Piano where you have your fixed and very limited number of Keys and a few pedals that you have to learn using.
Designing your own sound is literally like fine tuning one of your piano keys for hours just for it to sound a very, veeery specific way. One.single. key.
I'm agree at this...
People who say EDM needs no talent can cope. I invite those idiots to make only a supersaw in a modular synth.
TENNIS ISN'T A REAL SPORT, ANYBODY COULD BECOME A PRO TENNIS PLAYER IN 10 MINUTES!
Yeah, and nobody's throwing any of the balls into hoops, either.
golf is a stupid sport, you can become a pro as long as you can pay for playing huehuehuheuhue
InfiniteCows fuck you
That would take a long time.
I would love to see you on TV and people laugh at you
Who cares, I only care if the musician makes GOOD music not HOW he made it
finally a person with sense
you can't call music good you may think that electronic music is bad but i think that classic or rock music is shit and electronic music is good and between i also don't care how they made it i don't like screaming poeple with a agressive problem or violins and crap
If People Were Understood That MUSIC is not about TALENT its about how good it is or not good it is.
And they call themselves MUSIC LOVERS.
HA.... PATHETIC.
but any music can be "GOOD". I might like Elvis and you might like Skrillex. Neither of us are wrong in our tastes, we're just different. Even liking super basic pop shit is valid.
Jason Dijkie i like electronic music so i agree with u bro
How do you WRITE electronic music?
0:01
Keep clicking on it and tell. Me what you hear