Making an Internal Keyway Cutter - Vertical Slotter or Shaper Toolholder
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2022
- When I bought this Morey Vertical Slotter, it had no tooling with it. With little to go on, I have built all of my own tooling. This toolholder will hold the Morris Keyseater cutters and be a very versatile tool.
Starting with 4140 Prehard, watch as I make this tooling using nothing more than my Lion lathe, Bridgeport milling machine, and my own expertise.
Topper Machine LLC is an entirely manual machine shop located in Spooner, WI. Our videos will highlight some of our shop work as well as the sawmill we built in the shop and our A.D. Baker steam engine, and others we work on.
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Josh, the video was perfect. Good focus, great lighting, cut-scenes, good sound. Excellent!! Congrats!
And, great content, of course! Thank you for making and sharing the videos!!!
Greetings from Belgium.
35 years ago I worked in a small shop in Minnesota. They bought a new Morrison key way cutting machine and
I remember those bolt in inserts
I am sure that tool will be added to your "Treasure Box". When I was an apprentice we made our own tools always give a sense of satisfaction.
OMG! The chips at 33:00 are GORGEOUS. They look like Colt's charcoal bluing! "Gonna let t his cool." I learned that lesson with stainless the hard way recently.
I always enjoy your videos Josh, now it's time to "Get out in my shop, and get it done right, the first time"
This was a great project to follow along with, thanks
Great video and thanks for sharing
Love that slotter. Great video Josh.
Excellent job. Thanks Josh
Nice work!
Nice build, good looking tool!
Really nice looking tool.
Just relaxing
Awesome video Josh! That's one beautifull tool you've got there.
Good Video, interesting tool.
Great stuff Josh, always enjoy some tool making buddy, thanks for sharing 👍
Love u sir God bless u for great efforts
I will be binge watching your previous videos and look forward to seeing new videos
Nice job . I like those key seat inserts , good for future reference . 👍
Good job machining that heavy duty very versatile tool. Can’t wait to see that big boy doing it’s stuff.
thanks for the variety of view points on the camera
Nice job.
Nice work for sure.
Great build, always nice to make your own tools, that are better than bought, " Built not Bought".
Brilliant job on videoing, fantastic close up on milling shots.
Thanks for sharing.
Guma Richard, in East Africa Uganda am impressed, given the fact that with in 2 days am receiving a vertical/horizontal milling machine!Thanks so much 😀
...well, how are you doing-(?)
Your video quality is absolutely top! Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to do all of that video setup. Shop-made tools are pure gold. Looking forward to seeing the More in action!
Really enjoyed the multiple angle shots, not many makers take the time to film the cuts from many different positions.
What I appreciated more than anything was the time you took to really document the close up work so we could see exactly what you see while working. Without those close ups we wouldn’t really understand what you’re chasing after in the cleanup passes.
Compared to other channels I like your practical approach to machining. It’s a business so it has to get done and only as precise as is required for it’s needed purpose. Like you wouldn’t fuss about a thousands here or there on farm equipment but here where the tolerance is literally +\- 0.001” taking the extra steps needed becomes important.
Great video Josh, I use some shars tooling haven't had any problems with it, we do with what we got sometimes, excellent job.
nice work again !!
I just subbed!!
what a great addition to the shop. I hadn't been paying attention for some time, didn't know you had gotten a slotter
I've had it since before I started my channel. I have done a few videos with it.
Today, I had to broch a 1" keyways in (2) 3-13/16" couplings using a Davis/Hanford #5 Keyway machine ...it chatter...I bartered the Davis machine for a repair on a Bullard broken lead screw and casting some 50 years ago...(The truck driver took out a railroad bridge with it)...I was cutting large keyways on my shaper before I got the Davis...Now you got me thinking of a vertical shaper...I see that it's a better way to cut keyway as well as other things (I.E. splines) and cheaper too. You did a good job on the holder....A new 1" broach for the Davis is about $700.00 You can buy a lot of Morrison cutters for that...I use Endmill holders for holding endmills in my Bridgeport's.... I avoid collets ...Endmills get "SUCKED" out of them...Ever seen a Bridgeport table with progressive blemish in the table? ...A small piece lead to seat work in the vise. Somebody taught you well to use you hand to clean the vise..."Your hand is the best cleaning cloth" Just don't get hurt!......Robbie
You can mill the corner pockets with a tiny mill if you feed it vertically as if was a drill bit. Two flute mills were called slot drills for that reason. Any mill with center cut can do that.
looks great, I have seen a lot of machines just never the one you made the bar for.
Lee
Really great having the machines to make the tool to do the job. Saves spending a fortune to buy the tool, it it's even available for your exact needs.
I wind up building a lot of stuff. But with this machine, nothing exists. Everything has been made, and more is needed. One job at a time.
Your engineering video is an absolute masterpiece! Your ability to explain complex concepts with such clarity and enthusiasm is truly commendable. The attention to detail in your explanations and the seamless way you connect different elements showcase not just your technical expertise but also your exceptional communication skills. Watching your video is not just educational; it's a genuinely enjoyable experience. Keep up the fantastic work, and thank you for making the world of engineering so engaging and accessible!
Beautiful work, great video as always! I can never thank you guys enough for the film-making time that you dedicate to sharing and teaching and entertaining us 🙏🏽🙏🏽 Especially your videos with all the extra little insert shots and coverage angles you give us, it must double the time! One quick thing I do to create those corner reliefs is bring the small cutter to the edge numbers, step over and up 10thou, and just plunge down to depth. Thanks for everything Josh!
Thank you. It is a lot of work, but I think it's worth the effort.
Good job on the video and the project. Even though I am not a machinist, it is interesting to watch you. I failed on my one project so I decided to make a pig out of a car spring. I already had the programs made for the pig parts when I turned a helium tank into a pig. I need to paint it but he looks ok. The small garage that I got the springs from wants me to make a few up and he wants to try and sell them.
Always enjoy seeing shopmade tooling. Wish we could of seen you using it at the end though
That will be a video of its own.
I’ve been looking for a way to hold my parallels my one vice has magnets but what a pain all my swarf is stuck and they are rare earth so it’s really stuck to the magnets and I see your holder being banding steel your a genius on that and I thank you
Hi Josh, I made a similar tooling, I stoned a small radius on the the back corners of the cutters. Kai ora from New Zealandi
Try any Sandvik indexable cutter that takes the R390 inserts. Can't beat em.
Looks good! :o)
Not a machinist, but in trying to square off the corners of the pocket in which the slotter bit sits (which is impossible) wouldn't you be better off drilling (or plunge milling) out the corners and machining a flat across the narrow dimension of that pocket (which you are doing anyway with the small cutters) and using that as your rear support for the bit? It seems to me the absolute length of the pocket is not that critical as you'll adjust the throw of the cutter with the dials on the machine. Excellent video!
Very nice job.
I really enjoy your videos that have hardcore machining in them, I learn something from each one.
Video editing is most excellent.
I would have tried plunging with that 1/8” endmill. Touch off on the side of the slot, move over the radius of the cutter, so .0625 ~ish, and plunge. Boppity boopity, no schmoopity. Love your vids.
Hey Josh those indexible end mills are very good, I use them all the time. I need to make some of thes bars for my Slotter but will be using HSS as it's cheap and I have an abundance of it in varying sizes. In Australia those slotter inserts are very expensive.
I've made a few for HSS, but these larger sizes are better to use these inserts.
Josh, on squaring those corners with a small end mill I peck drill down to clear the chips then once I reach the desired depth I walk the end out x and y. This eliminates the chip build up and most of the lateral pressure on the small end mill.
I thought about doing that. But it was more dramatic seeing the breakage and deflection. Entertainment value. Lol.
You were thinking way ahead of me! Thanks again for a great TH-cam channel!
Steven exactly how we did it back in the day
Hi Josh,
great improvement in audio and presentation over some of your earlier attempts. Well done and thank you.
One question or suggestion, but when you tried to square off the corners with the 1/16" cutter would it be better to mill it vertically first. That way you would, or should, experience less deflection. Just a thought. Thanks for the video and as someone else suggested "better built than bought ".
Regards from Canada's banana belt.
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I like your shirt!😂
Do you need to have some space in the slot to account for the expansion the cutting head is/may experience due to heat up during use?
Looks like it should do the job!
Hi, can you inform the name of the custom made supplier for the insert?
27:35...those are the BREAKS-(?)
(snucker-snucker-snucker!!!)
Very interesting. Two questions:
1) Why was that part scrapped? It seemed perfectly symmetrical except for the holes, so couldn't one plug those up and recut them elsewhere on the cylinder? Or would that just not be worth the effort?
2) How long do those carbide inserts (from the last, tapered, operation) last, and what happens to them after all points are used up? Are they ever reground, or are they thrown away?
Thanks as always for an excellent video.
Part was scrapped due to the width of the keyway being .003 too wide. That was the only problem with the part. The inserts get recycled,. I sell them as scrap carbide.
How did you acquire your beautiful older machines?
GGGGGG gggggggg. I have a few extra letter g&G. You have not been using G at the end of words. I assume you ran out. I don't mind sharing. You did a great job on the bar,
Excellent video as always. What rpm did you run that shars indexable cutter at to cut the slot at the end of the bar? Thank you for your time!
Same as the other cutter. 1115 rpm
@@TopperMachineLLC Brilliant thank you.
LOL Evidently .125 end mills may as well come with factory broke ends. That is the end result i always get.
Where do you get the key seat cutter from?
How tall are you? Just curious because I am pretty tall and I hate bending over in front of a mill and wondering if I went with a bridgeport style mill if I would want to raise it a bit. Sorry in advance for the personal question. Really enjoy your videos and maybe I am too concerned with ergonomics.
Excellent content, thanks for sharing. Although pretty soon you will be able to remove the rubber mats and just walk on the chips LOL. Just kidding. But you really could use some house cleaning the shop is kinda messy with all those chips on the floor and machines makes it look like one of those sweatshops in India.
I could use a helper. Been so crazy busy here I can't even stop to think.
@@TopperMachineLLC If I was in the area I'd come to be your helper. Maybe the local junior college has somebody taking shop classes that might be interested in helping offer them some instruction and machine time as trade. Keep moving forward.
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maybe you are a brother of Stefan Gotteswinter youtuber hahaha
Very cool but I want to see you use that bar you made.
There is a video of it.
ok qua tuyet
First from UK...did you see the email Josh? very neat work
I'm not sure. I will have to go look. I get so many emails, it's hard to remember.
@@TopperMachineLLC I built a flat bed on a UK ford ranger so sent you the pictures as it was done right the first time !!
You need to put your Bridgeport up on
4” riser blocks so you don’t have to bend over so much.
Let me offer you a little advice on those tricky corners.... mill the flat first, before the slot... then drill the corners with a regular drill... then do the slot, and you only need to clean up a tiny little corner... save yourself the trouble.
Hey Josh, ive heard you mention before that you are in the middle of nowhere, just wanted to know if you are out like that, are shops a big demand? Kinda wondering if you have competition, what do they do? Just getting a idea of the area. Kenna metal is big around here, but thats for asphalt planers, and reclaimers, and bucket teeth. I know that is different from what you use.
I plan to do a video on these exact questions. Basically, I am in the most economically depressed region of the US. There isn't much industry left and I have zero competition.
Instead of using a small end mill in those corners, you could just drill holes in the corners.
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9:46 key seat cutter
During my apprenticeship it was always cigarette paper touch off's
Plung mill with little end mills
Don't know why you have such problems getting a tooling rep. to visit, all you have to do is buy $200k/yr of tooling and they will visit AND bring coffee and bagels. :-)
Keep up the great work, "small" shops like yours are where companies turn when one-off or must-have-today items are needed. I know cause' I work for such a company. Don't be shy about charging a rate to allow you to stay in business. When a production machine goes down, we lose thousands a day. We look at not the cost of the part but lost profit of being idle. Beyond the daily profit lost for a down machine, failing to meet a delivery date could lose a customer.
Yeah, I ain’t a machinist but I started to say when you were cutting the flat in the prior cut you were throwing a lot of sparks to have good cutters. Too aggressive of a cut
You never menchiond where your hiding in what wilderness. 🧐
I have in numerous videos. Spooner WI. A desolate wasteland of sand and jack pine. Lol
Out in the sticks I would guess the Snap-on Rape Wagon doesn’t even show up.
I was gritting my teeth. ... where was your coolants, cutting oil ?
If your lacking rigidity in your tool, they have pills for that these days 😜
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