@@Puerco-Potter the context was broadcast television was and still is horrible. It sounds like you want to ignore context and genre. That's fine but at least qualify it by saying it was the best broadcast TV ever. It wasn't even the best TV at the time because we already had shows like The Sopranos.
Heroes S1 had Game of Thrones level cultural impact before GoT. I knew it was over when Sylar was revealed to be a long lost brother to the main characters like it was a cheap daytime soap. Such a shame.
Noah Bennett was a master class in character development arc. An intimidating individual who seems to have specific goals of limiting the spread of those with powers; when in reality, it was to protect his daughter.
Agreed, he went from the guy you hated to the guy you're rooting for. Heroes started out with a lot of good character development potential. But it fizzled out. It's such a lost art in today's shows and movies.
I personally think the series should receive a reboot. Just hopefully they make it good. I really like the idea of single season stories too, gives the show a consistent edge of ‘what happens when normal people get super powers’
@@Thrillhou I think @danbraziermusic means the first time when they mention a funny Greg Grunberg casting story and it skips the whole thing. It does happen like you mention later during the Masi Oka portion.
@bhgemini ooh, gotcha. About half-way through watching this it seemed so familiar I felt like i had heard it word-for-word at some point so i figured it must be an edited re-upload. (This is after id commented.) My new theory is that it IS a re-upload and the story in question was either debunked or was in some way undesirable to the people in question so it got chopped. Just a guess- haven't looked into it in detail.
What happened to Heros was it was written by people who were good at getting you excited about characters and what will happen to them but can never deliver on that anticipation. If the writer's strike didn't happen, the show would have lasted longer but ended up disappointing us just like lost. The public was catching on to these kinds of writers by then and the poor story writing due to the strike hastened its end.
Well, only if you, as a writer, feel that you have to explain everything. :) David Lynch created Twin Peaks, and even though it got really weird at the end of season two, it kinda worked. Almost nothing was explained.
@@Zett76it all depends on how many narrative threads you leave dangling and if in doing so you leave compelling clues for the audience to create their own answers from. That takes a very strong writer to pull off👍🏽
@@Zett76 The problem is not whether the show fails to explain something or not. Its when there is no authorial intent on things that end up in the show. David Lynch almost certainly means something with everything you see on screen. It matters. It might not get explained but there is a reason its included. Meanwhile Lindelhof literally throws shit at the wall like a monkey in the zoe. Nothing has any intended meaning other than "hey the fans can talk about this" which leads to thoroughly unsatisfying shows.
I am surprised you could do a whole section on how Heroes got made and not mention The 4440, which was a show about ordinary people developing super powers. The 4400 came out 2 years before Heroes.
@@AwareWolfOnWheels to be fair he says 4400 later in the comment, you just forgot to read all of it, the 4440 might have just been a misclick, it happens, no one is perfect and certainly not you, you proved as much.
well, "ordinary people developing super powers" also could describe a lot of super heroes and super villians stories.. the x men, spiderman... plus a bunch of movies and other stories. so if you start naming other shows with that same overall idea, the video would be "over 9000" minutes long.
Me and my husband were JUST talking about Heroes. It started soo flipping good, and needed at the time with a silly premise of “save the cheerleader save the world.” What they did in subsequent seasons is just cruel.
Loved that show season 1. Got the iconic Hiro "I did it!" T-Shirt from the NBC store in Manhatten and got major props when wearing it back in the UK for several years afterwards! :D
Right there with you. The first season was brilliant, engaging, and made us hungry for more. The second season was so weak I believe I gave up midway through. Thanks for reminding me of the show. We will have to rewatch on Prime.
When I was in college, my classmates and I would talk about this show non stop! It was that show that got us excited to know what would happen next episode or season. I absolutely loved the show. However, after season 2 it felt different. I mean it had potential but I wish the writers strike would have not messed with the show but life happens…
Is this a re-upload? It seems familiar, and there are a few strangely timed moments, like building up to Hiro's 'Catch Phrase' ("Ya-Taaaa!!") and then not showing it, or the story about how Greg Grunberg got the role seems to have been cut.
Lost, like x files, had such a huge positive impact on landscape of TV. it also had some negative impact as at the time, every tv show has to have more questions than answers , lots of flashbacks...etc but no pay off and just began the race of "who can come up with more crazy premises " to catch your eyes without thinking about the conclusion
Takei had been quite happy subsisting on his residuals from Star Trek TOS and the original movies for decades. He was already super famous and successful. Heroes may have helped a few millennials, who had somehow never seen a Star Trek rerun, find out who he was. But lots of those older actors, and musicians too, were getting their careers restarted thanks to a wave of 60s and 70s nostalgia around that time (it comes in waves. We're in a 80s and 90s nostalgia thing atm). He was already doing cameos etc and if it hadn't have been Heroes, it would have been another show.
The turning point for me was when they nerfed Peter Petrelli and killed off Arthur Petrelli all in one episode. They basically removed the opposing good yin to Sylar's bad yang. The classic never ending good vs evil between two powerhouses that you find in many stories. If you remove one, then you must remove the other. But they don't and Sylar just gets stronger and stronger without Peter around to be able to go toe to toe with him. Then at the same time the only other individual who truly could challenge Sylar and likely restore Peter's abilities while also just being a cool antagonist (Aruther), they freakin' kill. I know things would not go well after that. Before then I thought the show was just fine.
You left out how disappointing the season one finale was. Obviously not everybody thought it was disappointing. Some liked it. But it was a huge topic of discussion at the time. It was like they ran out of money at the very end. And maybe that’s exactly what happened. IDK. But the big fight that all of these individual storylines was leading to… and it was just a relatively-small encounter that happened in an empty city? Where were all the random people walking around at night? Has New York City ever been THAT empty at night?! 😂
I always suspected that there was a last-minute re-write, after they realized they had a hit... and the original ending would have been more definite. More deadly. That episode was also the first one with obvious signs of plot armor. 😀
As much as I loved Heroes, especially season 1, they shot themselves in the foot by regurgitating the same story line. Every season was pretty much Hiro travelling to the future to find some terrible disaster has happened, then him travelling back to try and fix it, rinse and repeat. Four times if memory serves me right.
I can't imagine Emma Stone in Hayden's role because she doesn't fit the Cheerleader look. Maybe if they had her go blonde like when she played Gwen Stacy. But not as a redhead.
I had a co worker who once put it perfectly; “you can teach an entire course on what to do and not to do when writing a TV Series, using only ‘Heroes’ as an example”.
I'm reasonably certain that Kring is a big Star Trek fan. There are so many Trek-related Easter eggs that I wound up losing count, such as Hiro's father's (played by Hikaru Sulu himself, George Takei) limousine having a license plate that read "NCC-1701."
Pretty sure he's a Star Wars fan, too; if you watch closely, Ando and Hiro are basically C-3PO and R2-D2 in A New Hope, right down to the bit where they're walking through the desert and Hiro keeps going on about his purpose and Ando essentially does the "Go that way, you'll be malfunctioning within a day, you near-sighted scrap pile" bit before bailing on him
I absolutely love season one of the show. Sadly, the writers strike really hurt the trajectory of this show in its second season I believe, and it was never able to really recover from that.
Fan service destroyed Heroes. Yes you can blame the writers strike on some aspects of the show but ultimately pandering to the audience. Or what they think the audience wants was its downfall. Keeping characters around long past their usefulness. Keeping characters alive that should have died. Dragging out particular storylines when half a season arc was all that was needed. All to keep internet chat bots happy.
I was a little thrown off by the comment about it jump-starting George Takei's career. It occurred to me, though, that I hadn't seen him in much of anything else in a very long time. Which is saying something for somebody who's legitimately one of the most well-known actors in the world and has been since decades before I was born.
I enjoyed Heroes when it began. The special guest stars cast including George Takei, Nichelle Nichols, Chris Eccleston and Malcolm McDowell was certainly very attractive. Sadly I lost interest after a time. But I still have nice memories of Hayden as Claire who was my favorite Heroes character.
Save the cheerleader save the world. That was one of the most important things going on tv for months. I know people who didn’t like tv shows or movies about superhero’s but because of this they watched this. season one was beyond great but after that it went downhill.
I loved season 1. It followed the same element that spiderman captured of the audience learning of new abilities with the characters. My problem with heros came down to 1 thing: time travel. I was taking classes for season 2 and 3 and I would rush home to catch the show on tv.... only to have weeks worth of episodes to be completely erased. I felt like it was a waste of my time. The writers gave themselves an endless amount of content by using time travel to go wherever, whenever, and do whatever they wanted.
I binge watched this show to recap myself during the pandemic. It was one of my main comfort shows during that chaos. I think in my personal opinion season 3 was where it really fall off the rails. I still like season 2 a lot but I do agree the series would've been better off without Wesley.
Season 3 with Papa Petrelli was my favorite. They did him dirty by killing him off with a bullet. Should have had a multiple season villain arc for him.
Honestly i think series 1 was built so well and while the ending didnt quite hit well its still gripping and this show was before a lot of these Disney Pluse stuff and even before the MCU. It was a Superhero show on tv that wasnt related to DC or Marvel. All the characters were good for the most part and Sylar was actually scary in terms of his kills as well as being in the shadows for a while, Peter felt relatable as a person while gaining powers in a passive kind of way, Hero being a bundle of joy, HRG being seen as a bad guy but actually protecting his daughter who could regenerate, Isaac who could paint the future and i always found the art amazing but painting the future was quite unique at the time and ties everything together in a way. Thats just naming a few characters but the only one i think didnt work was Nikki tbh. She kinda feels forced in and shes mostly away from everyone. The problem was after series 1 i really do think a new cast should have been the best idea with maybe the old characters popping in if the story called for it. The Issues for series 2 is that in series 1 a lot of the story arcs were tied up quite well and coming into series 2 and beyond it felt like they had nothing for them and just wanted to give them something to do. A lot of them could have benefited on being written out and maybe coming back later. Series 2 was also hit by the writers strike and along with a lot of shows were hit hard. Heroes never really recovered from this plus multiple issues
Superhero origin stories are hard to follow up because the heroes become too strong. It becomes hard to tell a story that viewers can relate to afterwards...
Heroes season 01 was corny and on the nose. And i think that was a strength. It knew what it was and felt genuine. I really liked the way they played with the powers and interactions. Mainly, of course, between Peter and Sylar. You dont see powers like theirs in comics often because they are well...overpowered. But this 2 sides of the same coin power, a man who can learn powers from others, and a man who can steal powers from others, worked great for a hero/villain dynamic. The first time Peter and Sylar interact and Peter turns invisible...just for Sylar to say, "...cant wait to try that one." Ah i just loved it. Time travel shenangians are always fun. Worked in a dual sense with both Hiro and the comic book artist. They did a good job limiting Hiros power so he wasnt just everywhere all the time, spoiling everything. But seeing an aged badass version of Hiro going back in time to say "save the cheerleader, save the world" for a single episode? Chefs kiss. "Save the cheerleader, save the world." Brilliant. Simple. As simple as it is, it may not be something you think of on your own. We all knew Claire was out there, but we couldnt fathom what might happen if Sylar had gotten her power. Also, "How to stop an exploding man"??? A negative to adapting stealing powers. An uncontrollable nightmare. The simplicity of Nathan hsing his power of flight to save the city and be there for his brother really got me in the end. I dont think i ever made it past a few episodes in seaspn 2. But honestly, i didnt need to. Season 1 was a classic like 25 episodes or something like that. Ill always love it.
Heroes season 1 disc 1 and 2 was the first DVDs I ever ordered from Netflix. My grandmother and I watched it the day we got it. It was one of our favorite shows. Number 2 was Attack on Titan btw. RIP Grammy.
George Takei had been doing movies, voice acting, TV and appearances for fifty odd years before heroes, this show didn't jump start his career. he was an iconic voice know to some more than their own parents.
I think if they did season 4 as season 3 it would have lasted longer. It was actually good. I'd say the second best season of the show under season 1. Unfortunately most people had already stopped watching the show by then.
I love how people who claim to be fans of this show talk so much shit about it as if season two suddenly made the show disappear like it didn’t have three out of four full seasons. The show was ahead of its time. The show was damn good. I enjoyed it every single step of the way and the only downside to the show is that it didn’t get its fifth and final season to close it out.
This show had so much promise. It was a great revolutionary concept, however, storyline, the acting, and the script was downright horrendous. The show could’ve been awesome and considered a timeless classic however, it just became a bad show and something to fill the time until real superheroes TV shows and movies that can satisfy the audience
Season 1...*Chef's Kiss* I miss watching the "webisodes" that eventually ended up as special features on the DVD. We don't get that behind the scenes magic on shows anymore
In regards to Sylar getting Claires power, I always kind of assumed it was the timing that mattered. Like if he got them in season 1 it would've been more devastating because a different chain of events would follow, an alternative timeline. But in season 3 there was enough heroes assembled who knew who he was to keep him in check. ... but I really liked that show, so maybe I'm just making excuses🤷😂
Though 'The Midnight Club' got canceled after one season. It debuted Oct 7th 2022, two months before the article you referenced @22:51. It at least was eventually granted one season.
Thank you! I never knew why they just left the show where they did, and even though it was in decline, not even giving a hint that it wouldn't be coming back for another season. I figured that some greedy network executive had their hands in it and screwed things up so badly as only they can. Surprise, that's what happened!
“Greg Grunberg has an interesting story about being cast. Grunberg, playing telepathic cop, Mark Parkma-“ Cuts to Jack’s story. Um…what? A- it is MATT Parkman, not Mark. B- where’s the story? You know what? The rest of this is probably the usual hearsay pablum, not even mentioning the Writers Room War, Kring’s absent landlord approach, and NBC demanding superhero movie of the week while cutting the budget. Or the Psycho Circus plagiarism lawsuit.
I was just thinking about Heroes. So many good ideas. I think they were just too damn ambitious. I would have been happy if they focused on a few heroes like Matt Parkman, and have him be a psychic detective for like 5 episode. So many damn changes so quickly.
One of the biggest, saddest casualties of the Writer's Strike. If nothing else it showcased that, no, not just ANY scab can become a competent script writer. Pay your artists their worth, or your beautiful art will wind up in the toilet.
The #1 thing I hated about Heroes was that half of every episode was recaps, and you could legitimately skip half a season and recap would bring you up to speed completely. The episodes were great, half way in and after, when the episodes were actually happening. I quit watching the show the major of the way into the first season, and it only took watching 6 episodes to know the entire story of the remaining seasons and what the rest of the first. Even then, 3 minutes of those recaps were repeating what i watched or saw in a previous recap. It's like going to an hour long weekly work meeting, where the first half they go over what was said in previous meetings. (Aka torture)
The first season was really great and had me hooked. It still holds up pretty good. I stopped watching early in the third season. Read some reviews to see it it got better but never heard anything good. Such a shame. I wish they stuck with their original plan and had a new cast and story each season but I also understand why they did what they did considering how big it was.
Heeeeey, its HEROS! My lady thankfully put me on to it some years ago after it was available on streaming. The other show which I would LOVE to see a video on is the only series that ever actually made me shed tears at the end, that show being GRIMM...OOf, what a series! ❤️🖤💙 So consider this my request for a GRIMM video! Also Zachary Quinto is the shiza! 🙌
The writers strike just revealed the flaws early. But just like Lost before it there were just too many balls in the air for it to work long term. You can have multiple narrative threads but you have to be able to either resolve them in a compelling way, make them inconsequential to the big picture or leave enough breadcrumbs for the audience to be satisfied with their own interpretation.
When we had that Total Eclipse of the Sun up here in Canada. I turned to that iconic Eclipse photo from Hero's. You're correct, Season 1 is solid and it was a show I truly hoped would have continued longer than circumstances gave it. Ah well, we can not change the past. We can only hope the "movie makers" of today have some New and Original idea's like we had in the 80's, 90's and the early 00's.
although season 1 was a beast, the ending was a bit let down.. maybe it had to do with the TV budget, but the last fight did not live up to the building up, the final fight, the end game.
Hero's was brilliant in 1st season. One of the few shows on TV that I would run home to. Yes. Season 2 was a bit funny. As this has suggested by this channel . Season 3.they only played the show once in Britain. Never to been seen again. Only saw a few episodes. But I did get to see the end. Lol😂. so I couldn't really judge on it. Bit weird. The powers and whats going on. But I was getting into it. Hoping that some tv channel bring it back. Or find a boxset for my collection. Can't even get it in dvd shops, 2nd hand shops or chiritys shops. Not going on line to buy. It. Might do. 🤔. So the information on TV to see on. Is good new. Interesting documentary. Thank you. . 👽👍
one problem was sylar. making him take all these people's powers, then turning him into a good guy. then turns out it was that cult dude thats probably the most powerful super. should have just kept it simple.
Studio interference where they demanded that changes be made for popularity reasons at the expense of the actual plot. Raise hands; who was shocked to hear that was a significant factor in the decline? I do remember being eager to see new episodes, and the decline in quality (and I also remember only watching like one episode of Heroes Reborn).
Heroes season 1 is some of the best TV I’ve ever watched. Absolute classic!
I also really liked the second half of season 3, the one with the carnival
In my mind, hero was one season PERIOD.
@@Noneofyourbusiness2000 so, you need to divorce it from context and genre? Lol
@@Puerco-Potter the context was broadcast television was and still is horrible. It sounds like you want to ignore context and genre. That's fine but at least qualify it by saying it was the best broadcast TV ever. It wasn't even the best TV at the time because we already had shows like The Sopranos.
They were going down the drain as soon as the writers strike happened
Season 1 was so devastatingly unique and well done that subsequent seasons and attempts at character building just fall short
the writer strike happened, and it killed one of the most promising shows ever.
Heroes S1 had Game of Thrones level cultural impact before GoT. I knew it was over when Sylar was revealed to be a long lost brother to the main characters like it was a cheap daytime soap. Such a shame.
Had stopped watching before that bomb dropped. Sounds like the writers were grasping at straws.
@ it was astonishing just how far this thing fell. Worse than D&D’s GoT disaster, imo. It’s just that social media wasn’t the thing it is now….
He actually wasn’t their brother though. Angela just lied to him so he would do her bidding
Actually the similarities in powers kinda made sense
Noah Bennett was a master class in character development arc. An intimidating individual who seems to have specific goals of limiting the spread of those with powers; when in reality, it was to protect his daughter.
Agreed, he went from the guy you hated to the guy you're rooting for. Heroes started out with a lot of good character development potential. But it fizzled out. It's such a lost art in today's shows and movies.
Heroes downfall was a TV tragedy
I personally think the series should receive a reboot. Just hopefully they make it good. I really like the idea of single season stories too, gives the show a consistent edge of ‘what happens when normal people get super powers’
It is
You are so spot on. The Ali Larter character had too much storyline for eye candy.
It's a shame, I liked the concept, but the execution failed.
She should have been let go after the first season. She had served her purpose, but they just kept writing new characters for her...
@@Lordoftheapes79 I was so pissed when I saw her in season 2 lol
why does the commentary keep skipping? it sounds like youre about to hear an interesting story and then it suddenly skips to something else 11:32
The editor missed it.
Sloppy editing. You're only missing half a second, it just feels longer because your brain doesn't expect speech to work that way.
same at about 6 minutes
@@Thrillhou I think @danbraziermusic means the first time when they mention a funny Greg Grunberg casting story and it skips the whole thing. It does happen like you mention later during the Masi Oka portion.
@bhgemini ooh, gotcha.
About half-way through watching this it seemed so familiar I felt like i had heard it word-for-word at some point so i figured it must be an edited re-upload.
(This is after id commented.)
My new theory is that it IS a re-upload and the story in question was either debunked or was in some way undesirable to the people in question so it got chopped.
Just a guess- haven't looked into it in detail.
What happened to Heros was it was written by people who were good at getting you excited about characters and what will happen to them but can never deliver on that anticipation. If the writer's strike didn't happen, the show would have lasted longer but ended up disappointing us just like lost. The public was catching on to these kinds of writers by then and the poor story writing due to the strike hastened its end.
Well, only if you, as a writer, feel that you have to explain everything. :)
David Lynch created Twin Peaks, and even though it got really weird at the end of season two, it kinda worked. Almost nothing was explained.
@Zett76 if that kind of low IQ entertainment entertains you, then have a blast.
@@Zett76it all depends on how many narrative threads you leave dangling and if in doing so you leave compelling clues for the audience to create their own answers from. That takes a very strong writer to pull off👍🏽
@@atdubya9576 agreed. 🙂
@@Zett76 The problem is not whether the show fails to explain something or not. Its when there is no authorial intent on things that end up in the show.
David Lynch almost certainly means something with everything you see on screen. It matters. It might not get explained but there is a reason its included.
Meanwhile Lindelhof literally throws shit at the wall like a monkey in the zoe. Nothing has any intended meaning other than "hey the fans can talk about this" which leads to thoroughly unsatisfying shows.
I am surprised you could do a whole section on how Heroes got made and not mention The 4440, which was a show about ordinary people developing super powers. The 4400 came out 2 years before Heroes.
It was called The 4400, so there is your reason. So bad even you couldn't recall the correct name for a forgettable show.
@@AwareWolfOnWheels to be fair he says 4400 later in the comment, you just forgot to read all of it, the 4440 might have just been a misclick, it happens, no one is perfect and certainly not you, you proved as much.
well, "ordinary people developing super powers" also could describe a lot of super heroes and super villians stories.. the x men, spiderman... plus a bunch of movies and other stories. so if you start naming other shows with that same overall idea, the video would be "over 9000" minutes long.
Heroes Season 1, just like Westworld Season 1, can and should be watched as a stand alone season, both are mindblowing. Just don't watch the rest...
Me and my husband were JUST talking about Heroes. It started soo flipping good, and needed at the time with a silly premise of “save the cheerleader save the world.” What they did in subsequent seasons is just cruel.
Loved that show season 1. Got the iconic Hiro "I did it!" T-Shirt from the NBC store in Manhatten and got major props when wearing it back in the UK for several years afterwards! :D
Yatta!!! 😂
Right there with you. The first season was brilliant, engaging, and made us hungry for more. The second season was so weak I believe I gave up midway through. Thanks for reminding me of the show. We will have to rewatch on Prime.
I was such a huge fan of the show for several season. I'll always love it. Good job 👍💯🔥
The first season was fantastic. The second season felt unfinished because of the writers strike. It sadly went downhill after that.
When I was in college, my classmates and I would talk about this show non stop! It was that show that got us excited to know what would happen next episode or season. I absolutely loved the show. However, after season 2 it felt different. I mean it had potential but I wish the writers strike would have not messed with the show but life happens…
Is this a re-upload?
It seems familiar, and there are a few strangely timed moments, like building up to Hiro's 'Catch Phrase' ("Ya-Taaaa!!") and then not showing it, or the story about how Greg Grunberg got the role seems to have been cut.
Yeah, some dodgy editing going on.
Yeah, very apparent cuts after introducing an idea and not following through, happened a couple of times.
Pretty sure I watched this a couple years ago, so it might be re uploaded
Heroes season 1 was must see tv in my house. It was the only show that the whole family got together and watched.
The first season was so wonderful and the writers strike really killed the entire show.
I watched the hell out of heroes. I still have it on DVD.
Writers strike. Saved you 25 minutes as this has been established since like 2007
Lost, like x files, had such a huge positive impact on landscape of TV. it also had some negative impact as at the time, every tv show has to have more questions than answers , lots of flashbacks...etc but no pay off and just began the race of "who can come up with more crazy premises " to catch your eyes without thinking about the conclusion
Heroes Season 1 was brilliant. I was so excited to see more, but then it went off the rails.
Takei had been quite happy subsisting on his residuals from Star Trek TOS and the original movies for decades. He was already super famous and successful. Heroes may have helped a few millennials, who had somehow never seen a Star Trek rerun, find out who he was. But lots of those older actors, and musicians too, were getting their careers restarted thanks to a wave of 60s and 70s nostalgia around that time (it comes in waves. We're in a 80s and 90s nostalgia thing atm). He was already doing cameos etc and if it hadn't have been Heroes, it would have been another show.
The turning point for me was when they nerfed Peter Petrelli and killed off Arthur Petrelli all in one episode. They basically removed the opposing good yin to Sylar's bad yang. The classic never ending good vs evil between two powerhouses that you find in many stories. If you remove one, then you must remove the other. But they don't and Sylar just gets stronger and stronger without Peter around to be able to go toe to toe with him. Then at the same time the only other individual who truly could challenge Sylar and likely restore Peter's abilities while also just being a cool antagonist (Aruther), they freakin' kill. I know things would not go well after that. Before then I thought the show was just fine.
The stan lee cameo's started in the 80's with the first one being the incredible hulk tv movie
You left out how disappointing the season one finale was. Obviously not everybody thought it was disappointing. Some liked it. But it was a huge topic of discussion at the time.
It was like they ran out of money at the very end. And maybe that’s exactly what happened. IDK. But the big fight that all of these individual storylines was leading to… and it was just a relatively-small encounter that happened in an empty city? Where were all the random people walking around at night? Has New York City ever been THAT empty at night?! 😂
I always suspected that there was a last-minute re-write, after they realized they had a hit... and the original ending would have been more definite. More deadly.
That episode was also the first one with obvious signs of plot armor. 😀
thank you for this video, loved heroes back then :)
What happened to the editing on this episode - the stories about Greg Grunberg’s casting and Masu Oka’s catchphrase seem to have gone missing 🥴
I'm here to ask the same thing.
One of my favorite shows ever. I remember it use yo come in the same time as 24 and all my friends was watching Jack Bauer, not me.
Season 1 was pretty great. The rest was an exercise in watching a series fail.
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@ I don’t like you either.
As much as I loved Heroes, especially season 1, they shot themselves in the foot by regurgitating the same story line. Every season was pretty much Hiro travelling to the future to find some terrible disaster has happened, then him travelling back to try and fix it, rinse and repeat. Four times if memory serves me right.
I can't imagine Emma Stone in Hayden's role because she doesn't fit the Cheerleader look.
Maybe if they had her go blonde like when she played Gwen Stacy.
But not as a redhead.
I’m confused by comments @22:00 was not George Takei famous from Star Trek in the 1970’s…. Or did I enter another Mandela effect
Yea I almost spit my drink at that line... "reignited" would be a better choice of words haha
Glad someone else pointed this out
I had a co worker who once put it perfectly; “you can teach an entire course on what to do and not to do when writing a TV Series, using only ‘Heroes’ as an example”.
What happen was that EVERYBODY FORGOT ABOUT BEING HEROES, seriously, everybody was running away from the secret society or in a family drama
I'm reasonably certain that Kring is a big Star Trek fan. There are so many Trek-related Easter eggs that I wound up losing count, such as Hiro's father's (played by Hikaru Sulu himself, George Takei) limousine having a license plate that read "NCC-1701."
Pretty sure he's a Star Wars fan, too; if you watch closely, Ando and Hiro are basically C-3PO and R2-D2 in A New Hope, right down to the bit where they're walking through the desert and Hiro keeps going on about his purpose and Ando essentially does the "Go that way, you'll be malfunctioning within a day, you near-sighted scrap pile" bit before bailing on him
I worked on the show and I kind of love season 2. AMA.
I absolutely love season one of the show. Sadly, the writers strike really hurt the trajectory of this show in its second season I believe, and it was never able to really recover from that.
Season 1 was absolutely amazing. It is criminal how the following seasons dropped the ball
Claire died giving birth to her children
Because one of em held her powers
Back.
Zachary quinto will play another psychopath in American horror story.
Fan service destroyed Heroes.
Yes you can blame the writers strike on some aspects of the show but ultimately pandering to the audience. Or what they think the audience wants was its downfall. Keeping characters around long past their usefulness. Keeping characters alive that should have died. Dragging out particular storylines when half a season arc was all that was needed. All to keep internet chat bots happy.
Profit was SOOO good!!! 😍😍 Profit and Kindred - The Embraced were two of my favorite shows in the 90's that got cancelled way too soon 😤
I was a little thrown off by the comment about it jump-starting George Takei's career.
It occurred to me, though, that I hadn't seen him in much of anything else in a very long time.
Which is saying something for somebody who's legitimately one of the most well-known actors in the world and has been since decades before I was born.
Thrown off? It's ludicrous. Makes one think the author is even old enough to have been around while the show was on
Oh, my!
Reinvigorating might have been a better term.
@OrinThomas this!
I never watched Lost, but when people complained about it, i understood because i watched Heroes.
I enjoyed Heroes when it began. The special guest stars cast including George Takei, Nichelle Nichols, Chris Eccleston and Malcolm McDowell was certainly very attractive. Sadly I lost interest after a time. But I still have nice memories of Hayden as Claire who was my favorite Heroes character.
Save the cheerleader save the world. That was one of the most important things going on tv for months. I know people who didn’t like tv shows or movies about superhero’s but because of this they watched this. season one was beyond great but after that it went downhill.
I loved season 1. It followed the same element that spiderman captured of the audience learning of new abilities with the characters.
My problem with heros came down to 1 thing: time travel. I was taking classes for season 2 and 3 and I would rush home to catch the show on tv.... only to have weeks worth of episodes to be completely erased. I felt like it was a waste of my time. The writers gave themselves an endless amount of content by using time travel to go wherever, whenever, and do whatever they wanted.
_Profit_ - a series a decade ahead of its time.
When I speak of it to anyone, I describe it to them as Dexter meets Mad Men.
I binge watched this show to recap myself during the pandemic. It was one of my main comfort shows during that chaos. I think in my personal opinion season 3 was where it really fall off the rails. I still like season 2 a lot but I do agree the series would've been better off without Wesley.
Heroes, Game of thrones, the Wire are my favorite kind of shows because their is no main character meaning anything can happen, anybody can die.
Season 3 with Papa Petrelli was my favorite. They did him dirty by killing him off with a bullet. Should have had a multiple season villain arc for him.
Honestly i think series 1 was built so well and while the ending didnt quite hit well its still gripping and this show was before a lot of these Disney Pluse stuff and even before the MCU. It was a Superhero show on tv that wasnt related to DC or Marvel.
All the characters were good for the most part and Sylar was actually scary in terms of his kills as well as being in the shadows for a while, Peter felt relatable as a person while gaining powers in a passive kind of way, Hero being a bundle of joy, HRG being seen as a bad guy but actually protecting his daughter who could regenerate, Isaac who could paint the future and i always found the art amazing but painting the future was quite unique at the time and ties everything together in a way. Thats just naming a few characters but the only one i think didnt work was Nikki tbh. She kinda feels forced in and shes mostly away from everyone.
The problem was after series 1 i really do think a new cast should have been the best idea with maybe the old characters popping in if the story called for it. The Issues for series 2 is that in series 1 a lot of the story arcs were tied up quite well and coming into series 2 and beyond it felt like they had nothing for them and just wanted to give them something to do. A lot of them could have benefited on being written out and maybe coming back later. Series 2 was also hit by the writers strike and along with a lot of shows were hit hard. Heroes never really recovered from this plus multiple issues
Superhero origin stories are hard to follow up because the heroes become too strong. It becomes hard to tell a story that viewers can relate to afterwards...
This was the show I first watched when Netflix began streaming and cutting back on discs.
Heroes season 01 was corny and on the nose. And i think that was a strength. It knew what it was and felt genuine.
I really liked the way they played with the powers and interactions. Mainly, of course, between Peter and Sylar. You dont see powers like theirs in comics often because they are well...overpowered. But this 2 sides of the same coin power, a man who can learn powers from others, and a man who can steal powers from others, worked great for a hero/villain dynamic.
The first time Peter and Sylar interact and Peter turns invisible...just for Sylar to say, "...cant wait to try that one." Ah i just loved it.
Time travel shenangians are always fun. Worked in a dual sense with both Hiro and the comic book artist. They did a good job limiting Hiros power so he wasnt just everywhere all the time, spoiling everything. But seeing an aged badass version of Hiro going back in time to say "save the cheerleader, save the world" for a single episode? Chefs kiss.
"Save the cheerleader, save the world." Brilliant. Simple. As simple as it is, it may not be something you think of on your own. We all knew Claire was out there, but we couldnt fathom what might happen if Sylar had gotten her power.
Also, "How to stop an exploding man"??? A negative to adapting stealing powers. An uncontrollable nightmare. The simplicity of Nathan hsing his power of flight to save the city and be there for his brother really got me in the end.
I dont think i ever made it past a few episodes in seaspn 2. But honestly, i didnt need to. Season 1 was a classic like 25 episodes or something like that. Ill always love it.
Heroes season 1 disc 1 and 2 was the first DVDs I ever ordered from Netflix. My grandmother and I watched it the day we got it. It was one of our favorite shows.
Number 2 was Attack on Titan btw.
RIP Grammy.
Simple: It was critically wounded by the writer's strike and never recovered.
George Takei had been doing movies, voice acting, TV and appearances for fifty odd years before heroes, this show didn't jump start his career. he was an iconic voice know to some more than their own parents.
It blew its load on the first season. They never should’ve all met each other on the first season. They should’ve dragged it out as long as possible.
ahh, this brings me a trip down memory lane.
I use to have the DVD collection of the season 1 & 2
I think if they did season 4 as season 3 it would have lasted longer. It was actually good. I'd say the second best season of the show under season 1. Unfortunately most people had already stopped watching the show by then.
Heroes is supposedly making a comeback, hopefully it all works out.
Thanks a lot, Writer's Union.
I love how people who claim to be fans of this show talk so much shit about it as if season two suddenly made the show disappear like it didn’t have three out of four full seasons. The show was ahead of its time. The show was damn good. I enjoyed it every single step of the way and the only downside to the show is that it didn’t get its fifth and final season to close it out.
i never watched this show religiously but i do remember it being a big deal at the time. good times
This show had so much promise. It was a great revolutionary concept, however, storyline, the acting, and the script was downright horrendous. The show could’ve been awesome and considered a timeless classic however, it just became a bad show and something to fill the time until real superheroes TV shows and movies that can satisfy the audience
This was really cool, but there were parts where you just edited out the end of your sentences, or cutt to a completely different topic
Season 1...*Chef's Kiss*
I miss watching the "webisodes" that eventually ended up as special features on the DVD. We don't get that behind the scenes magic on shows anymore
In regards to Sylar getting Claires power, I always kind of assumed it was the timing that mattered. Like if he got them in season 1 it would've been more devastating because a different chain of events would follow, an alternative timeline. But in season 3 there was enough heroes assembled who knew who he was to keep him in check. ... but I really liked that show, so maybe I'm just making excuses🤷😂
Was obsessed with this show
Think of all the iconic shows that were ruined bc of the 07'-08' writer's strike. Such a good era for shows.
Though 'The Midnight Club' got canceled after one season. It debuted Oct 7th 2022, two months before the article you referenced @22:51. It at least was eventually granted one season.
Thank you! I never knew why they just left the show where they did, and even though it was in decline, not even giving a hint that it wouldn't be coming back for another season. I figured that some greedy network executive had their hands in it and screwed things up so badly as only they can. Surprise, that's what happened!
“Greg Grunberg has an interesting story about being cast. Grunberg, playing telepathic cop, Mark Parkma-“
Cuts to Jack’s story.
Um…what? A- it is MATT Parkman, not Mark.
B- where’s the story?
You know what? The rest of this is probably the usual hearsay pablum, not even mentioning the Writers Room War, Kring’s absent landlord approach, and NBC demanding superhero movie of the week while cutting the budget. Or the Psycho Circus plagiarism lawsuit.
Loved this show. Writers strike killed it
that was such a good show, one of my buddies had all the seasons on dvd, and we binge watched it all over a couple of days.
Must’ve been nice. I had to wait for each episode to release each week in anticipation.
So many cheerleaders were saved because of this show
I was just thinking about Heroes. So many good ideas. I think they were just too damn ambitious. I would have been happy if they focused on a few heroes like Matt Parkman, and have him be a psychic detective for like 5 episode. So many damn changes so quickly.
One of the biggest, saddest casualties of the Writer's Strike. If nothing else it showcased that, no, not just ANY scab can become a competent script writer. Pay your artists their worth, or your beautiful art will wind up in the toilet.
The #1 thing I hated about Heroes was that half of every episode was recaps, and you could legitimately skip half a season and recap would bring you up to speed completely.
The episodes were great, half way in and after, when the episodes were actually happening.
I quit watching the show the major of the way into the first season, and it only took watching 6 episodes to know the entire story of the remaining seasons and what the rest of the first.
Even then, 3 minutes of those recaps were repeating what i watched or saw in a previous recap.
It's like going to an hour long weekly work meeting, where the first half they go over what was said in previous meetings. (Aka torture)
Now that you said it, I can hear the "Recently, on Heroes" in my head again.
alphas was so good; i was excited for the next season but it got cancelled. still , better than getting a heroes version of a season 2
Loved watching this series. The ending of the final series destroyed all of the other series. Should have come up with better ending.
this show and Misfits had so much potential
The first season was really great and had me hooked. It still holds up pretty good. I stopped watching early in the third season. Read some reviews to see it it got better but never heard anything good. Such a shame. I wish they stuck with their original plan and had a new cast and story each season but I also understand why they did what they did considering how big it was.
I'd love to hear the story about the original catchphrase at 11:31
I'd also love to hear the fun story about Greg Grungberg
Heeeeey, its HEROS! My lady thankfully put me on to it some years ago after it was available on streaming. The other show which I would LOVE to see a video on is the only series that ever actually made me shed tears at the end, that show being GRIMM...OOf, what a series! ❤️🖤💙 So consider this my request for a GRIMM video! Also Zachary Quinto is the shiza! 🙌
Fun Fact: Adrian Pasdar was in Top Gun!
The writers strike just revealed the flaws early. But just like Lost before it there were just too many balls in the air for it to work long term. You can have multiple narrative threads but you have to be able to either resolve them in a compelling way, make them inconsequential to the big picture or leave enough breadcrumbs for the audience to be satisfied with their own interpretation.
When we had that Total Eclipse of the Sun up here in Canada. I turned to that iconic Eclipse photo from Hero's. You're correct, Season 1 is solid and it was a show I truly hoped would have continued longer than circumstances gave it. Ah well, we can not change the past. We can only hope the "movie makers" of today have some New and Original idea's like we had in the 80's, 90's and the early 00's.
Any time a show kills off a character and then brings back the same actor as the evil version, you know it's over.
Did we edit out the grunberg story?, there was a wierd cut there right after you introduced him. "Diddy Party" cover up?
although season 1 was a beast, the ending was a bit let down.. maybe it had to do with the TV budget, but the last fight did not live up to the building up, the final fight, the end game.
glad emily stone got into CW and is the best bat girl in my universe, sad she lost out on the hockey player wife role IRL.
Hero's was brilliant in 1st season. One of the few shows on TV that I would run home to. Yes. Season 2 was a bit funny. As this has suggested by this channel . Season 3.they only played the show once in Britain. Never to been seen again. Only saw a few episodes. But I did get to see the end. Lol😂. so I couldn't really judge on it. Bit weird. The powers and whats going on. But I was getting into it. Hoping that some tv channel bring it back. Or find a boxset for my collection. Can't even get it in dvd shops, 2nd hand shops or chiritys shops. Not going on line to buy. It. Might do. 🤔. So the information on TV to see on. Is good new. Interesting documentary. Thank you. . 👽👍
one problem was sylar. making him take all these people's powers, then turning him into a good guy. then turns out it was that cult dude thats probably the most powerful super. should
have just kept it simple.
It was a sudden crash that turned me against TV for a while. It felt like a scam. I felt scammed.
Studio interference where they demanded that changes be made for popularity reasons at the expense of the actual plot.
Raise hands; who was shocked to hear that was a significant factor in the decline?
I do remember being eager to see new episodes, and the decline in quality (and I also remember only watching like one episode of Heroes Reborn).
I remember watching season 1 and it was followed by Journeyman which became my favorite of the 2. Wish they would bring back Journeyman!