I think you're making Griveous out to be a berserker, which he isn't. He can fully comprehend situations and stances, he knows that without the people, he would lose. The rebel alliance is also not incompetent and would likely have a vast knowledge of what the general is best at, and would put him in command of aggressive attacks against small Imperial stations, allowing Griveous to stall Imperial progress while the alliance bolsters their ranks. Furthermore to his understanding, Griveous knows the location of many droid foundries including Hypori, which based on the legends 'empire at war' game was still operational. Griveous would be a trove of knowledge o. This side, allowing the rebel alliance to salvage and sell many of the CIS ships for much needed credits, of give them a refit should they decide to keep them. Better yet, because the CIS main flaw was being too cheap with their units, under Grievous, these droids would be far less in numbers, but far deadlier, commando droids for example. Overall Griveous, while having violent tendencies, is not an idiot, and would not do anything that would jeopardize his revenge, maybe he won't be social with the rest of the leadership and/or men of the alliance, but he would see value I having restraint when it comes to causing needless harm against the public.
Yes, this. It's often forgotten that Grievous was the Supreme Commander of the CIS armed forces... he was a tactician and a very good one at that, who maintained successful command of a galactic army and navy, and all the politics that went along with that (much as he detested playing politics, he did begrudgingly do it, hence his still working with the CIS Council post-Dooku when he very much hated them and had every authority to execute them had he wanted to, as the then Head of State. He didn't, because he knew they were necessary for the war and he wasn't a mindless brute).
Your right grievous is not a mindless brute he uses underhand tactics to bring down the empire make the empire look unfit to protect the galaxy not make the alliance look like villains
Honestly, I think it depends on which version of Grievous we're talking about for this hypothetical - if we're working with the current 'canon' grievous then I doubt he'd ever team up with anyone, much less the rebels. Though, if we're talking about the old 'Legends' Grievous, then I actually see a window in which he could begrudgingly align himself with the Rebels; especially if the modifications to his brain that made him volatile and perpetually angry were removed during his reconstruction process. Furthermore, if it came to light that it was also the Sith who were behind his transformation into a Cyborg (via bombing his private shuttle and nearly killing him) in the first place (and not the Jedi, as he was lied to), then he'd almost certainly be willing to do just about anything if it meant he could take his revenge, even teaming up with surviving Jedi.
i agree with the captain, somebody did a matchup of legends grievous and vader, and grievous had better odds, since legends grievous took on a handful of jedi and a laat, not much could stop him
Grievous in legends also despite his hatred and use of fear to rule ultimately cares for revenge against the sith and if possible Luke skywalker might even convince that he was lied to by the emporer and grievous wouldn’t be able to pass this opportunity when the rebels win he would be an exonerated war criminal and return to kalee
Robert Ortiz-Wilson what's thrawn got to do with the theory that the cis surprised and crushed the empire or general greivous joining the rebellion any way who cares
Just imagine how different Grievous would be without his rage enhancer. If he could just think clearly without constant anger and rash hatred, he'd be an even better general and he could work for any faction given the right circumstances. So a "What if Grievous had his rage enhancer removed" honestly seems really nice to me and I think most would completely overlook its significance.
I agree 1 i never knew bout that fowel device but it does xplain tje rage n h8 such potent n toxic emotions fizzel out natirally even ona fpwel tempers angry person as grisvious is often seen if he could think ckearly seen the trie enemy was never the jedi but the republics own officles n wjoever they answer to
Don't you think that the separatist movement would survive if Grievous made it clear to the galaxy that he is still alive? Once the droid army was shutdown, the people of the CIS were still alive but had no motivation to fight with all their leaders dead. But if Grievous were to show up the war would still continue and they would have a general that could lead them once again.
stop he didnt exactly care for the CIS he just hated the enemies of the CIS. So I doubt the remnants of the CIS would be the first people he'd be looking for.
The prequel movies where made to show the easy corruption of a government and how it manipulated. The separatist army was a basic fake front to start a war, without the current conflict of war, Lord sidious would have never won the power of the people in his efforts to end the FAKE WAR. Reguardless of grevious death, the separatist leaders were being moved to mustafar, a different planet perfect for hiding murder. For all we know sidious sent them their for his plan of having his apprentice eliminate them and grevious would have been safe seeing how he was never mentioned to go with them, however obiwan surprised him by abusing him after the meeting
I think the problem with Grievous is, even for all of his tactical and practical prowess, he doesn't play very nice with others and has a tendency for violent acts, the Rebellion probably just couldn't afford to have him as a leader, which is the problem, he HAS to be leader or nothing, he can't just be used as a lethal killing tool because he really doesn't roll that way. Not to mention he's always worked with expendable droids and possibly thinks of everyone as expendable, leading to a lot of suicide missions for people under his command. He'd be better off making his own group and trying to restart droid factories to have followers while keeping a low profile, though there are many who hate the Empire, perhaps joining a crime syndicate like Maul's (who also wants revenge), Jabba's or the Black Sun etc. I think one (or all) of those would be a cool theory. I think Maul and Grievous would be very deadly allies with similar goals, together they could even take out Vader. That would be interesting.
Very true i thinks its inevitable that grievous would demand to be the leader and would definitely cause a rift within the rebellion between those who are willing to do unspeakable acts for there cause and those who want to defeat the empire without the blood of innocence. Really interesting idea with maul and grievous teaming up, in my opinion it would either go great with them both deciding that there desire for revenge trumped any petty difference or it would go south fast due to power plays! Thanks for watching and providing a though provoking idea! =D
Absolom Apple I think Greivous would have serious trust issues in allying himself with a sith Lord , especially after he put together the gigantic screw job that Sidious had done to him from the start... IF he did Ally himself with maul , it would only be to kill Sidious .. there would be no loyalty beyond the means to an end ... Besides , you put two alphas together and one will eventually try to take out the other ... Both maul and Greivous would be aware of this from the get go ... I think the one and only way the rebellion would get any use out of Greivous would be if Greivous body was immediately confiscated before the clones found it on the landing platform and reported his death to the republic ... Scrape out what's left of the psychopath kaleesh warlord from the exoskeleton and install a complete , and reprogrammed super tactical droid brain and processor .. you would then still have "Greivous" , but he could be programmed to be every bit as capable as the homicidal maniac he was before ...but , could be trusted .
He does not think of everyone as expandable but he does believe that showing feelings for your troops is a weakness. He was a kaleesh warlord after all, not just a droid general.
Heh. Imagine that Grievous is looking over some plans with some rebel tacticians when he suddenly hears a familiar voice (though it has aged) turning and seeing his old nemesis. The two looking at each other in awkward silence, though they knew fighting each other would be pointless. And as Luke is doing some training, the two are talking, lie about their old battles and of the irony that they end up working together, like old warrior.
This is honestly a cool theory, mainly from the fact that Grievous is such an amazing villain. Having him be an anti-hero would make his story so much more unique.
The once savage and unrelenting general of the Separatist Droid Army who brought fear, terror and death to everyone everywhere across the galaxy on a path to justified revenge that leads him to be an infamous antihero? I'd buy that ticket
I think you're missing out on something. Grievous was basically seen as a demigod on Kaleesh, all he's gotta do is make a quick trip there and he'd probably have the entire planets population to support him.
This all assumes Grievous doesn't change, after having a literal near-death experience at the hands of a Jedi, losing his forces (and his Sith master) and finding out the Republic he hated has been overthrown from within, I think even someone as willful as Grievous will take a moment to re-evaluate his priorities and attitude. The reason he's so callous with the droids is that he doesn't consider them real people and most certainly not warriors, likewise he dislikes the clones because being clones they're practically droids made of meat. But he respects the Jedi, hence taking trophies, and that respect may become a healthy amount of fear after having been all but killed by one. I think if there's any former Jedi working with the Rebels he's going to make it his number one priority to join them because he knows better than anyone their significance to the balance of power in the universe. Fighting alongside Jedi/warriors and people willing to fight and die for their values, for the first time in a long time Grievous is going to feel at home, maybe not a home he belongs in but one worth fighting for, and of course he wants revenge because y'know he's still Grievous.
Lets be honest, grevous fighting alongside the rebel alliance would have been badass. Especially if he kept those lightsabers, man i think he would have been trouble to vader 1v1.
The rebels will accept Grievous as a new ally because he survived the Clone Wars and he knows all about tactic so he'll turn the tides around against the empire
If someone smart decided to try and reason with Grievous to campaign him as a symbol of vengeance for the harshness of the Imperials, and the way they came to power, as well as painting Grievous as an entity that believes the galaxy should be avenged at "any cost" instead of being a selfish warlord set on a personal vendetta, there would be a chance.
God that’s some good stuff. I was thinking about writing some short stories about these alternate timelines and this one seems like the perfect one to do.
Vince Lumontad it would be interesting knowing general kalani likely joined the rebel alliance after the first death star was destroyed and saw gerrera led a splinter faction of the rebels with the partisans. They were on the same side and kalani actually was involved in the Onderon civil war which got saw’s sister killed. Though they barely missed each other as Saw is killed on Jehda before the first Death Star was destroyed. It would have been an interesting and awkward reunion at Rebel High Command between the two had Saw lived or Kalani joined the Rebels earlier.
That's sort of the point of the Rebel Alliance though. It is quite literally an alliance of a variety of disparate armed groups, militias, planetary governments, corporations and terrorist organizations united in their common hatred of the Empire. In Legends, the Rebel Alliance even had many former Separatists in its ranks fighting alongside Republic patriots. Saw may have hated the Separatists but if he wanted to win against the Empire, he would have eventually learned to put his hatred for Greivous aside
What if grievous joins the alliance In the battle of the tantive IV * rebel soldiers prepare with grievous * * door gets broken down * * stormtroopers sees grievous * Stormtroopers : nope nope nope * all stormtroopers bring the door back to place * Rebel troopers : huh that was very easy
Gotta say, if Grievous got droid foundries up and running, he'd probably kill off any 'wet' members of his group and bide his time until his droid army was back... And with the only motivation being revenge, I think its a safe bet he'd start destroying world populations outright. The empire could try to stop him, but put simply, they cannot. The Separatists of the clone wars worse acts of genocide and murder would look like unicorn and rainbow lands compared to the death dealing of a pissed off, and off leash grievous. Even at their best, the Republic couldnt really do much, and I doubt very much that an empire that doesnt have the Clones only would falter pretty quick against the sheer brutality. Id even venture that Vader himself could verywell fall during a conflict wit grievous, most likely by a trap of sorts.
In the lore, Grievous despises droids and prefers organic warriors like his people, the Khaleesh. He would undoubtedly use lots of droids but I highly doubt he'd just kill off organic soldiers of his when he got access to droids.
Depending on which Grievous we’re talking about (Legends or Disney), I think Legends Grievous would do something similar but would try to build his forces from Kalee and maybe from separatist holdouts. He may also form some sort of mercenary army for hire who would heavily favor the rebels over the empire. I can imagine him being present at the battle of Endor and wagging a brutal campaign upon the imperials with the rebel fleet gaining a boost with some separatist ships and vulture droids dealing with the fighters & star destroyers. Meanwhile Grievous himself along with Kaleesh warriors, remnants of the droid army and rebel troops with or without the Ewoks would outright slaughter the imperials, leading to the shield generator to be destroyed way sooner than in ROTJ.
How about if Dooku survived the clone wars and hid until the rebellion came into existence. Obviously he’d have to use some technique to stave off aging. I do believe that exists in the Star Wars universe. I don’t believe Dooku was evil, he did what he did to purge corruption from the republic and Jedi order. After order66 and the rise of the Empire he could seek redemption and be a powerful leader and redeemed Jedi Master. He could rebuild the Jedi order to fit his view.
I would just love to see in a movie the rebel leaders getting an offer of assistance asa shuttle approaches the having base, then down the ramp walks four magna guards surrounding a presumed dead grievous as everybody had a look of shock, fear, and amazement on their faces.
Grievous : "Luke Skywalker. I was expecting someone with your reputation to be a little... older." Obi-Wan : "Oh boy, here it goes again. Don't answer, Luke."
Considering that grievous’s main reason for hating the Jedi was that they screwed his home planet over by imposing heavy sanctions on it after siding with the opposing planet while ignoring that species’ similar war crimes, I think that Grievous has more diplomatic capability then most give him credit for. I know one book, possibly Labyrinth of Evil, talks about him becoming an enforcer for the banking clan to help pay off his planet’s debts. He would have to have shown restraint in that position as dead men can’t pay anyone. Since I doubt the empire actually bothered to unscrew anyone the jedi screwed over, a promise from the rebellion to forgive his home world’s debt could go a long way towards getting Grievous to play nice.
Grevious would just go out inquistor hunting occasionally, getting the jedi that was being hunted to join the rebellion, and he would get another fine addition for his collection. Win for grevious' collection, win for the rebels.
I would love to know what the exiled Jedi would act like. Grievous' whole reason for joining the war was because the Jedi aided a long time enemy of his race. And if I remember correctly the council refused to help them in the conflict
Lore Guy bruh I can't believe one of the most articulate and informative star wars TH-cam channels is taking the time to reply to me, and even made more Grievous content (who's my favorite character.) Thank you so much for this Lore Guy, and any Grievous content in the future will be highly anticipated, maybe what if grievous was force sensitive.
Grievous was very smart not stupid I think he would know how to fight the Empire and how to exploit its weaknesses I think if you did join the Rebellion that they probably would use him as a general and I think he would be a very brilliant strategist
The rebels would turn on each other after the war as the mutual hatred of Emperor Palpatine was the only thing keeping the extremists rebellion together. General Grievous would fuck up the Alliance terrorists with his faction and I would lead my Imperial fleet dubbed “Vaccine Force” against the plague.
Grievous would have reactivated the droids and give the empire an enemy that was already kicking ass before. (While still facing the rebels wich did kick they're ass) then rebels wouldnt have the numbers too go against grievous and his unlimited droids.
Truthfully I think Grievous wouldn't go after pirates and criminals.... I think that he'll go for the one people he knew might support him.... his own people the Kahleesh, to them he is a respected general and warrior. So the chances are that he might be able to build his own rebel cell amongst the Kahleesh, and I highly doubt that the empire wouldn't see them as little more than possible slaves, and of course many of the Kahleesh are warriors and strong ones at that. So with a strong force of Kahleesh warriors he might be able to cause some damage to the empire. Yet I highly doubt that he might side with the rebellion. Mostly because the rebels Idealise the Jedi, whom he despises, and I don't think the rebels would be willing to side with him or provide him with support after all the destruction he brought on the worlds that many of the rebels found support with.
I think he'd just devolve into an anti-Imperial warlord. Similar to Garm Bel Iblis and Rahm Kota before they joined the rebels. The only difference is I doubt Grievous would join the Rebel Alliance unless they conceded a lot of manpower and resources to him, perhaps even as the top military billet in the Alliance.
always good to see that people still acknowledge TFU. I wonder, if there had been a 3rd Force Unleashed game, how would it have ended? A final mission on Alderaan, around the same time as the major events of A New Hope are occurring, A non-canon ending where Starkiller manages to kill Vader, or Vader kills Starkiller, Juno, Kota, & Proxy?
I would like to think that Grievous would have the brains to see that he could be a asset to the rebellion and that just out and blatant attacking worlds would put the people against him. I would like to think that he actually would be a very useful character and Powerful Ally to have. Grievous is one of the most interesting characters of the Star Wars Clone Wars and I think his character is much underrated.
I know it was just for the sake of argument, but still Grievous would never align himself with the rebellion in the first place. Their primary goal was to reinstate the republic that existed before Sidious, the republic that Grievous also despised. I think if he were to do anything politically motivated on a galaxy scale, it would be to revitalize the separatist movement, but really what I think is most likely is that he goes back to his homeworld of Kalee and wage war against the empire in his sector with his people. Kalee and his fellow Kaleesh warriors were the only thing he ever really cared about, even while serving the CIS.
He may be a brutal Warlord but he has a point how about instead of making him look like a psychotic moron we say he's actually quite cunning and decides to use people's on material possessions against them thus ensuring that a he becomes emperor and while leaving some Rebels to survive to form bigger and bigger he Slaughters them all and then repeat the process if I was one of his aides I would not even question why he would leave them alive like okay General anything you say
I was kinda with it until the side with Saul part. Saul I think out of all the rebellion would have personally hate the cyborg. I'm sure Saul would have left immediately from the rebellion claiming open war from both sides
I couldn’t see him joining the rebellion or being allowed to be apart of it even if he was against the empire. He was smart but also brutal and the rebellion wouldn’t of wanted to come across as that as civilians of many worlds under empire rule will see rebels as the actual threat and so there would be more harm then good. He would probably have his own army and have new leaders.
I wonder What would happen if grievous and maul crossed paths during this theory? Would they kill each other for control or would they put aside old grudges and team up?
General Grievous, Commander of the Droid Army, under this analysis video... wouldn’t have access codes to reactivate the droid armies that were simply deactivated and left for a period of time before being repurposed or dismantled? Unlikely... There wouldn’t be anything stopping him from reactivating the droid armies and actually taking over the galaxy, as it was only Sidious truly holding the CIS back before. The real question is if he would even bother because most of his character motivation was so heavily based on the slaughter of the Jedi, and the order is already destroyed.
Saw would never have supported having Grievous in the rebellion, such a thing likely would have split the rebellion in half, or fractured it entirely, there likely would have been no formal alliance if he was there.
But remember, Saw wasn't official apart of the rebellion. Saw was using terrorist tactics that the rebels did not use, so they considered him an extremist. Bail Orgena talks about this in Rebels.
I could see Grievous assuming control of Deathwatch. Think about it: A combatant skilled in the art of lightsaber combat, not materialistic, combat oriented rather than materialistic, and so on. He has no political ambitions, so he wouldn't be hellbent on taking control of people's lives that aren't worthy of his attention. Rather, he would drive his warriors to kill for the sake of killing, and make claims of honor in doing so. In some aspect, he'd be like Maul when he and Savage Opress took control of the group, shaping them their own unique image and philosophy.
he really wasn't th-cam.com/video/HkOKIp6TyHk/w-d-xo.html he was angry for what the jedi did to his world then was manipulated later in life (post cyborg)
His motive may be just. But his actions, the entire mountains of corpses he left in his wake cannot be considered moral. This is a man in deep pain. But no matter what he tries he will never be albe to share this pain with the galaxy. It is too big. Even for his fury.
If grievous survived i think he would operate from the shadows becoming an assasin. Killing warriors and starting a new collection of fallen warrior weapons with a special slot reserved for sidious. He would continue doing it until the right time came, he would find a rebel on the day they were about to attack sidious's base and he would talk him into taking him with him and lie that he will help them get threw. Once they would be there he would abandon them all while they were battling the imperial armies. He would go to Sidious's room and with ease defeat all his guards. Sidious would see that as a good way to test vader and would order him to take on the general. Vader(aka Anakin) would recognise him and remember what things he done in the past but now as a bad guy he wouldn't care. Vader would stand no chance against Grievous's speed and would only delay his fall to the general. Eventually grievous would cut the hand with the lightsaber and make vader fall. Fueled with anger grievous proceeded to give the finishing blow but is force pushed by sidious. Sidious and grievous would proceed to fight in a tight match but ultimately grievous would fall. As sidious tortures grievous with force lightning the rebel group would enter. Grievous noticing sidious distracted finishes sidious with a lightsaber to the heart. Sidious would fall as the general laughs for the last time with a cough at the end. The rebels would take vader to jail and grievous to the droid that repaired him to make him survive. Despite the efforts grievous wouldn't make it alive but his vengence had been told and to honor the killer of sidious they would put sidious's lightsabers on the special slot in grievous's collection. True line: the only reason Obi Wan could block grievous's attacks was because he allowed himself to be fully controlled by the force If thats true then there would be no way vader could block such fast strikes from grievous
Had Greivous not been killed by Obi wan , I'm quite sure that Sidious would have arranged some kind of accident for him ... Or , just killed him himself as he would have no place or purpose within the newly formed Empire , much less would the majority of imperial citizens have accepted him as part of the Emperor's Entourage ... Secondly , Greivous was incredibly intelligent and would already have his fill of serving anyone else's purpose or crusade .
Also , the rebel alliance sought to restore the republic to it's former self ... Greivous hated the republic just as much as he hated the Jedi ... I very strongly believe that Greivous would want nothing to do with what the rebel alliance stood for .
I think that he would have tried to implement a strategy like the cis did against the republic. I think they would try to restart the droid foundries, and then use the guerrilla tactics you described to keep the empire guessing and on their toes as they amassed a bigger and bigger droid army to join the rebels. I think that a grievous led droid army against the empire, especially with someone like Luke eventually to battle Vader, would be insane
if grievance could Unite the separatist hold and unreactive a portion of the droid army he could strike before the empire had time to consolidate power
one resource grievous would have that wasn't mentioned was Kalee, his home world, they would do ANYTHING for the guy, they saw him as a war god after all and a pillar of martial strength. The Kalish were a warrior/hunter culture on a level equaling the Mandalorians in THEIR hay day just not as far along in the tech tree or as wide spread as they were, after all
During the run on the Death Star. Grievous would try to bait the empire to come get him. By basically bluffing the Separatist are still strong..More then likely with a semi working droid army. Sidius would send Vader and a force to clean him up. Leaving the death star exposed and with less loses. Grievous will die to Vader But go down as a war hero for basically baiting away Vader and some of his forces so the run could go easier. This would then spark Separatist planets to raise up once again.
I think that Grievous will be keep in secret, probably in Kalee and when the rebelion start, the Rebels will Discover and invite Grievous for the alliance, he will join, but he would be the Bad policial,thet who will kill, sacking and etc, but he will be one of the best generals in the rebelion with his experiences in the clone wars , he will be present duriing the major battles, Scarif, Yavin,Endor,Corunscam and others, when the new republic is found problaby he will be forgive by his war crimes and gave the rank of general of the republic fleet, problaby figth in the yuuzan vong war
I guess in the case of bad guys vs. bad guys we lose. If Grievous took full control, there'd be no good side for Luke to join. Or Luke and other Heros wouldn't have a benevolent trustworthy leader and as you said would disband. Grievous would have to pull hidden armies out of his *** just like the First Order did but with even less recourses. He's my favorite Star Wars villain just because he's a 4 light saber wielding cyborg that can fight Jedi without even needing the force, but I can't imagine a better outcome for him then this.
I don't think Grievous would be capable of tolerating working for the Rebel Alliance for long. And I don't think he'd be stupid enough to commit himself and all of his forces (droid, pirate, or otherwise) to attacking a world like Naboo and slaughtering people just to shame the empire, when as a war general he'd be completely aware of the fact that the Rebel/Pirate naval forces are paltry compared to the Empire's and he'd just be blockaded and massacred. If anything, in the case of his survival, he'd likely be in contact with the Rebellion, but work on his own. If we're talking about Legends/2003 Clone Wars (aka pre-nerf) Grievous, he's literally a former champion gladiator, and has the capacity to duel multiple Jedi at once, and probably able to train others in that sort of combat. He'd probably work with pirates, smugglers, assassins and the like, form an army of marauders and direct squads of hitmen to slaughter high ranking imperials. Hell, he'd probably relish the chance to go one-on-one with Vader, IF he knew he had the advantage in the fight with some sneaky ambush.
Wasn't Grevious generally a bad leader? His main strategy was to basically just to throw droids and cause as much destruction as he could. The most skilled I ever saw him display in tactics was during the invasion of Kamino and it came very close to succeeding if not for Obi-Wan realizing the debris hitting the ocean were actually drop slips almost immediately.
wdcain1 Grievous in the EU/Legends continuity was a very skilled strategist. He even almost ended the clone wars. So I think that he'd be a very real threat compared to the Rebels.
wdcain1 he was the supreme commander of the CIS armed forces... a real life comparison would be to compare him to Eisenhower as commander of the Allied Forces in WW2... he was the highest ranking military official in charge of the whole Seperatist Allaince and all its major tactical decisions. Prior to this he was a notorious and generally successful warlord. Grievous was tactically intelligent and militarily knowledgeable. If you look, even at the canon sources, many of his failures can be fully attributed to Dooku and Sideous, not any fault of Grievous. Grievous in fact spends a great deal of time across the clone wars questioning Dookus tactical decisions, refering to them as unwise or bound to fail (Grievous never knew that this was because they actually were intended to fail as Sideous was playing both sides). I would go as far as to say that if Grievous got his way with every battle, and did not have to take counterproductive and sabotaging orders from Sideous, Grievous could have won the Clone Wars, or atleast come far closer to doing so. In the end, he didn't get to do alot of what he wanted tactically speaking, as he had too much respect for Dooku to directly and openly disobey him repetedly.
In the show he was complimented on his strategy's efficiency by a tactical droid who said he predicted the Jedi's actions with 100 percent accuracy; he would have probably won the war if he hadn't been undermined, I think General Kalani said the odds of Republic victory was around 30% iirc
I could see grevious leading his own rebellion separate from the main one, putting the empire between a rock and a hard place, also if he were to meet Luke and not want to kill him, the amount of battle training grevious could give Luke would be insane and could possibly lead to Luke instead of Vader killing the emperor
Ah, I was hoping one of you guys would tackle this topic when I did this video back in December. I am very entertained with the direction you went too given I feel you know a lot more about how Grievous would have acted accurately. Nice video!
I have an idea of an AU fan fic where Obi-wan ends up being with the Satine, becomes a Mandalorian, then ends up in a very odd frienemies relationship with Grievous, who survived the Clone Wars by faking his own death. Qui-gonn beat Maul and trained Anakin, but saw a vision of Anakin bringing balance to the Force only after experiencing the Dark Side, so he allows himself to die at Anakin's hand during Order 66. Anakin becomes Vader and gains a similar suit but doesn't have the cybernetics, making him far more powerful, and he hunts Obi-wan, who he believes is the last Jedi-like individual in the galaxy of note, and winds up chasing Obi-wan (going by Ben) and Grievous until they join the Rebellion, where they become an outstanding tag team that fight Vader two v one multiple times and wind up training Luke together once he comes of age.
If Grievous was alive during the dark times, I believe he would join forces with Darth Maul because if you would look at it they do have a common enemy and that's palpatine. So it would make sense for them to combine their forces and band together to seek their revenge.
A well-considered speculation, but you overlooked one key point. Grievous once told Obi-Wan, "I am not in this war for Dooku's politics. I am the leader of the most powerful droid army the galaxy has ever seen!" Think about that. Grievous is saying that he's in the war not for power or loyalty to a cause, but because he likes the work! Therefore, Grievous would not ally himself with the Rebel Alliance unless they made him commander-in-chief, something neither Mon Mothma nor Bail Organa would ever do.
Would pay good money to watch a series/ movie where Grievous and the partisans surgically strike lesser guarded Imperial outposts/ planets 👍 cool video dude.
I think that General Grievous would demolish Darth Vader in a lightsaber fight, Anakin Skywalker's fighting style would be easily dismantled by the pure speed of Grievous, even in anakin's prime he couldn't have defeated the cyborg. So after his injuries, and when he is put in the heavy clunky suit, making him even slower, I think that Grievous is speed would absolutely overwhelm Darth Vader.
I think you just found the best "What If" story for my like of Grievous.....and if nothing else Jar-Jar was supposed to of retired to Theed, so with the City burnt Jar-Jar's terror is at an end.
I think you're making Griveous out to be a berserker, which he isn't.
He can fully comprehend situations and stances, he knows that without the people, he would lose. The rebel alliance is also not incompetent and would likely have a vast knowledge of what the general is best at, and would put him in command of aggressive attacks against small Imperial stations, allowing Griveous to stall Imperial progress while the alliance bolsters their ranks.
Furthermore to his understanding, Griveous knows the location of many droid foundries including Hypori, which based on the legends 'empire at war' game was still operational.
Griveous would be a trove of knowledge o. This side, allowing the rebel alliance to salvage and sell many of the CIS ships for much needed credits, of give them a refit should they decide to keep them.
Better yet, because the CIS main flaw was being too cheap with their units, under Grievous, these droids would be far less in numbers, but far deadlier, commando droids for example.
Overall Griveous, while having violent tendencies, is not an idiot, and would not do anything that would jeopardize his revenge, maybe he won't be social with the rest of the leadership and/or men of the alliance, but he would see value I having restraint when it comes to causing needless harm against the public.
Ignore my name but I prefer your theory over his. Thank you(my name was Grievous at the time)
Yes, this. It's often forgotten that Grievous was the Supreme Commander of the CIS armed forces... he was a tactician and a very good one at that, who maintained successful command of a galactic army and navy, and all the politics that went along with that (much as he detested playing politics, he did begrudgingly do it, hence his still working with the CIS Council post-Dooku when he very much hated them and had every authority to execute them had he wanted to, as the then Head of State. He didn't, because he knew they were necessary for the war and he wasn't a mindless brute).
I preter yours over his. His version is flat out non researched
I like your description a lot better
Your right grievous is not a mindless brute he uses underhand tactics to bring down the empire make the empire look unfit to protect the galaxy not make the alliance look like villains
"Listen to me! I do not care about your politics! I do not care about your republic! I only live to see you die!"
- Grievous, 21 BBY
@@DisasterEnby nah thats pretty much his pre the clone wars self in the legends comics and the 2004 series
Meme machine grievous has litteraly said this
Grevious is to CW what Thrawn is to Rebels...Gived us a reason to watch both shows....
I think he would be a more tactical but more ruthless version of Saw Guerrera
Precisely why I'd see those two joining together.
He would be more rithless to his enimeis but care more about his troops
@@datlilnigga1876 Greivous doesn't care about his troops. He destroys his troops for little to no reason sometimes.
Matt Brabham that only applies for the droids under his command.
Matt Brabham yeah he highly respected his organic colleagues
Honestly, I think it depends on which version of Grievous we're talking about for this hypothetical - if we're working with the current 'canon' grievous then I doubt he'd ever team up with anyone, much less the rebels. Though, if we're talking about the old 'Legends' Grievous, then I actually see a window in which he could begrudgingly align himself with the Rebels; especially if the modifications to his brain that made him volatile and perpetually angry were removed during his reconstruction process. Furthermore, if it came to light that it was also the Sith who were behind his transformation into a Cyborg (via bombing his private shuttle and nearly killing him) in the first place (and not the Jedi, as he was lied to), then he'd almost certainly be willing to do just about anything if it meant he could take his revenge, even teaming up with surviving Jedi.
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Plus if it was legends Grievous I bet he could even hold his own against Dark Vader, an inferior and clunky Anakin nerfed by the Emperor
i agree with the captain, somebody did a matchup of legends grievous and vader, and grievous had better odds, since legends grievous took on a handful of jedi and a laat, not much could stop him
ִ Mad as hell at you. Spent 30 seconds trying to wipe the hair off my screen only to realize it was your profile picture.
Grievous in legends also despite his hatred and use of fear to rule ultimately cares for revenge against the sith and if possible Luke skywalker might even convince that he was lied to by the emporer and grievous wouldn’t be able to pass this opportunity when the rebels win he would be an exonerated war criminal and return to kalee
Love Grievous & the CIS. Would love to see CIS & Rebels vs the Empire.
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Robert Ortiz-Wilson what's thrawn got to do with the theory that the cis surprised and crushed the empire or general greivous joining the rebellion any way who cares
Acttually, several separatist groups joined the rebellion soon after the 19 BBY coup.
To be fair, that pretty much happened. Some of the rebel leaders were former CIS, and much of the early rebel fleet was made up of CIS ships.
Just imagine how different Grievous would be without his rage enhancer.
If he could just think clearly without constant anger and rash hatred, he'd be an even better general and he could work for any faction given the right circumstances.
So a "What if Grievous had his rage enhancer removed" honestly seems really nice to me and I think most would completely overlook its significance.
I agree 1 i never knew bout that fowel device but it does xplain tje rage n h8 such potent n toxic emotions fizzel out natirally even ona fpwel tempers angry person as grisvious is often seen if he could think ckearly seen the trie enemy was never the jedi but the republics own officles n wjoever they answer to
Old Ben Kenobi: "Hello There."
Grievous: "GENERAL- oh you're no longer a general, right?"
Don't you think that the separatist movement would survive if Grievous made it clear to the galaxy that he is still alive? Once the droid army was shutdown, the people of the CIS were still alive but had no motivation to fight with all their leaders dead. But if Grievous were to show up the war would still continue and they would have a general that could lead them once again.
stop he didnt exactly care for the CIS he just hated the enemies of the CIS. So I doubt the remnants of the CIS would be the first people he'd be looking for.
+AwesomeMax 217 He did not care for the movement but it was still his army so i'm pretty damn sure he would go after that.
The prequel movies where made to show the easy corruption of a government and how it manipulated.
The separatist army was a basic fake front to start a war, without the current conflict of war, Lord sidious would have never won the power of the people in his efforts to end the FAKE WAR.
Reguardless of grevious death, the separatist leaders were being moved to mustafar, a different planet perfect for hiding murder.
For all we know sidious sent them their for his plan of having his apprentice eliminate them and grevious would have been safe seeing how he was never mentioned to go with them, however obiwan surprised him by abusing him after the meeting
+Jon Range It's pronounced ambushing, you said abusing.
You have been visited by the Grammar Nazi.
julius ochoa or maybe I never meant to put ambushing?
I think the problem with Grievous is, even for all of his tactical and practical prowess, he doesn't play very nice with others and has a tendency for violent acts, the Rebellion probably just couldn't afford to have him as a leader, which is the problem, he HAS to be leader or nothing, he can't just be used as a lethal killing tool because he really doesn't roll that way. Not to mention he's always worked with expendable droids and possibly thinks of everyone as expendable, leading to a lot of suicide missions for people under his command.
He'd be better off making his own group and trying to restart droid factories to have followers while keeping a low profile, though there are many who hate the Empire, perhaps joining a crime syndicate like Maul's (who also wants revenge), Jabba's or the Black Sun etc.
I think one (or all) of those would be a cool theory.
I think Maul and Grievous would be very deadly allies with similar goals, together they could even take out Vader. That would be interesting.
Very true i thinks its inevitable that grievous would demand to be the leader and would definitely cause a rift within the rebellion between those who are willing to do unspeakable acts for there cause and those who want to defeat the empire without the blood of innocence.
Really interesting idea with maul and grievous teaming up, in my opinion it would either go great with them both deciding that there desire for revenge trumped any petty difference or it would go south fast due to power plays! Thanks for watching and providing a though provoking idea! =D
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I think Greivous would have serious trust issues in allying himself with a sith Lord , especially after he put together the gigantic screw job that Sidious had done to him from the start... IF he did Ally himself with maul , it would only be to kill Sidious .. there would be no loyalty beyond the means to an end ... Besides , you put two alphas together and one will eventually try to take out the other ... Both maul and Greivous would be aware of this from the get go ... I think the one and only way the rebellion would get any use out of Greivous would be if Greivous body was immediately confiscated before the clones found it on the landing platform and reported his death to the republic ... Scrape out what's left of the psychopath kaleesh warlord from the exoskeleton and install a complete , and reprogrammed super tactical droid brain and processor .. you would then still have "Greivous" , but he could be programmed to be every bit as capable as the homicidal maniac he was before ...but , could be trusted .
He does not think of everyone as expandable but he does believe that showing feelings for your troops is a weakness. He was a kaleesh warlord after all, not just a droid general.
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I think they were called the "Huk"...??
Yes.
Heh. Imagine that Grievous is looking over some plans with some rebel tacticians when he suddenly hears a familiar voice (though it has aged) turning and seeing his old nemesis. The two looking at each other in awkward silence, though they knew fighting each other would be pointless. And as Luke is doing some training, the two are talking, lie about their old battles and of the irony that they end up working together, like old warrior.
This is honestly a cool theory, mainly from the fact that Grievous is such an amazing villain. Having him be an anti-hero would make his story so much more unique.
The once savage and unrelenting general of the Separatist Droid Army who brought fear, terror and death to everyone everywhere across the galaxy on a path to justified revenge that leads him to be an infamous antihero?
I'd buy that ticket
I think you're missing out on something. Grievous was basically seen as a demigod on Kaleesh, all he's gotta do is make a quick trip there and he'd probably have the entire planets population to support him.
This all assumes Grievous doesn't change, after having a literal near-death experience at the hands of a Jedi, losing his forces (and his Sith master) and finding out the Republic he hated has been overthrown from within, I think even someone as willful as Grievous will take a moment to re-evaluate his priorities and attitude. The reason he's so callous with the droids is that he doesn't consider them real people and most certainly not warriors, likewise he dislikes the clones because being clones they're practically droids made of meat. But he respects the Jedi, hence taking trophies, and that respect may become a healthy amount of fear after having been all but killed by one. I think if there's any former Jedi working with the Rebels he's going to make it his number one priority to join them because he knows better than anyone their significance to the balance of power in the universe.
Fighting alongside Jedi/warriors and people willing to fight and die for their values, for the first time in a long time Grievous is going to feel at home, maybe not a home he belongs in but one worth fighting for, and of course he wants revenge because y'know he's still Grievous.
Yep I think is a more than likely scenario for grievous
Imagine if Grevious killed inquisitors with the rebels and had 4 red lightsabers
@@Toon_Lucario red=evil. No, he wouldn't.
@@Toon_Lucario Here me out, double bladed lightsabers.
Lets be honest, grevous fighting alongside the rebel alliance would have been badass. Especially if he kept those lightsabers, man i think he would have been trouble to vader 1v1.
The rebels will accept Grievous as a new ally because he survived the Clone Wars and he knows all about tactic so he'll turn the tides around against the empire
If someone smart decided to try and reason with Grievous to campaign him as a symbol of vengeance for the harshness of the Imperials, and the way they came to power, as well as painting Grievous as an entity that believes the galaxy should be avenged at "any cost" instead of being a selfish warlord set on a personal vendetta, there would be a chance.
God that’s some good stuff. I was thinking about writing some short stories about these alternate timelines and this one seems like the perfect one to do.
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I love your channel, I learn so much
Saw Gerrera wouldn't join a faction led by an ex-Seperatist military leader.
He'd be disgusted.
Idk maybe they could put their differences aside. I mean it’s not like grievous played a direct hand in the occupation of onderon
As if Saw Gerrera was any better which Grievous will gleefully remind him how they are not so different
Vince Lumontad it would be interesting knowing general kalani likely joined the rebel alliance after the first death star was destroyed and saw gerrera led a splinter faction of the rebels with the partisans. They were on the same side and kalani actually was involved in the Onderon civil war which got saw’s sister killed. Though they barely missed each other as Saw is killed on Jehda before the first Death Star was destroyed. It would have been an interesting and awkward reunion at Rebel High Command between the two had Saw lived or Kalani joined the Rebels earlier.
That's sort of the point of the Rebel Alliance though. It is quite literally an alliance of a variety of disparate armed groups, militias, planetary governments, corporations and terrorist organizations united in their common hatred of the Empire.
In Legends, the Rebel Alliance even had many former Separatists in its ranks fighting alongside Republic patriots. Saw may have hated the Separatists but if he wanted to win against the Empire, he would have eventually learned to put his hatred for Greivous aside
I think it would be more interesting to see Grevious mellow and calm with age becoming more of a patient war leader
What if grievous joins the alliance
In the battle of the tantive IV
* rebel soldiers prepare with grievous *
* door gets broken down *
* stormtroopers sees grievous *
Stormtroopers : nope nope nope
* all stormtroopers bring the door back to place *
Rebel troopers : huh that was very easy
Gotta say, if Grievous got droid foundries up and running, he'd probably kill off any 'wet' members of his group and bide his time until his droid army was back... And with the only motivation being revenge, I think its a safe bet he'd start destroying world populations outright. The empire could try to stop him, but put simply, they cannot. The Separatists of the clone wars worse acts of genocide and murder would look like unicorn and rainbow lands compared to the death dealing of a pissed off, and off leash grievous. Even at their best, the Republic couldnt really do much, and I doubt very much that an empire that doesnt have the Clones only would falter pretty quick against the sheer brutality. Id even venture that Vader himself could verywell fall during a conflict wit grievous, most likely by a trap of sorts.
In the lore, Grievous despises droids and prefers organic warriors like his people, the Khaleesh. He would undoubtedly use lots of droids but I highly doubt he'd just kill off organic soldiers of his when he got access to droids.
That's true. I think he would have a droid and organic army.
He’d prolly just use the droids as filler units. To help bolster his numbers and protect his valued meaty subordinates
Darth Vader: General Grievous? Short as ever, I see.
Depending on which Grievous we’re talking about (Legends or Disney), I think Legends Grievous would do something similar but would try to build his forces from Kalee and maybe from separatist holdouts. He may also form some sort of mercenary army for hire who would heavily favor the rebels over the empire. I can imagine him being present at the battle of Endor and wagging a brutal campaign upon the imperials with the rebel fleet gaining a boost with some separatist ships and vulture droids dealing with the fighters & star destroyers. Meanwhile Grievous himself along with Kaleesh warriors, remnants of the droid army and rebel troops with or without the Ewoks would outright slaughter the imperials, leading to the shield generator to be destroyed way sooner than in ROTJ.
How about if Dooku survived the clone wars and hid until the rebellion came into existence. Obviously he’d have to use some technique to stave off aging. I do believe that exists in the Star Wars universe. I don’t believe Dooku was evil, he did what he did to purge corruption from the republic and Jedi order. After order66 and the rise of the Empire he could seek redemption and be a powerful leader and redeemed Jedi Master. He could rebuild the Jedi order to fit his view.
Wouldn’t it be cool for grevious to become mauls apprentice or at least team up with him
I think if he did know that anakin did turn into Darth Vader he would reveal it to the whole galaxy, then the rebellion might would’ve changed
I would just love to see in a movie the rebel leaders getting an offer of assistance asa shuttle approaches the having base, then down the ramp walks four magna guards surrounding a presumed dead grievous as everybody had a look of shock, fear, and amazement on their faces.
Grievous : "Luke Skywalker. I was expecting someone with your reputation to be a little... older."
Obi-Wan : "Oh boy, here it goes again. Don't answer, Luke."
Luke: “General Grievous, you’re shorter than I expected.”
Considering that grievous’s main reason for hating the Jedi was that they screwed his home planet over by imposing heavy sanctions on it after siding with the opposing planet while ignoring that species’ similar war crimes, I think that Grievous has more diplomatic capability then most give him credit for. I know one book, possibly Labyrinth of Evil, talks about him becoming an enforcer for the banking clan to help pay off his planet’s debts. He would have to have shown restraint in that position as dead men can’t pay anyone.
Since I doubt the empire actually bothered to unscrew anyone the jedi screwed over, a promise from the rebellion to forgive his home world’s debt could go a long way towards getting Grievous to play nice.
Grevious would just go out inquistor hunting occasionally, getting the jedi that was being hunted to join the rebellion, and he would get another fine addition for his collection.
Win for grevious' collection, win for the rebels.
I would love to know what the exiled Jedi would act like. Grievous' whole reason for joining the war was because the Jedi aided a long time enemy of his race. And if I remember correctly the council refused to help them in the conflict
He’d probably launch a commando raid to hijack the Death Star.
This fits in the right intersection between madness and genius.
Thank you so much Lore Guy. This made my day. Keep us this content please!
Its no problem, Thanks so much for the support its really appreciated! =D
Lore Guy bruh I can't believe one of the most articulate and informative star wars TH-cam channels is taking the time to reply to me, and even made more Grievous content (who's my favorite character.) Thank you so much for this Lore Guy, and any Grievous content in the future will be highly anticipated, maybe what if grievous was force sensitive.
Grievous was very smart not stupid I think he would know how to fight the Empire and how to exploit its weaknesses I think if you did join the Rebellion that they probably would use him as a general and I think he would be a very brilliant strategist
Your videos really are great when it comes to AU and fanfiction. You also have a great voice that I could listen 2 all day..
I think, he would reactivate some droids lol
Grievous would be able to defeat Vader in a 1v1
I would LOVE for this to become cannon
If General Greivous joined the Rebellion the Empire would be destroyed in 10 minutes
The rebels would turn on each other after the war as the mutual hatred of Emperor Palpatine was the only thing keeping the extremists rebellion together. General Grievous would fuck up the Alliance terrorists with his faction and I would lead my Imperial fleet dubbed “Vaccine Force” against the plague.
@@Charlie94781 So the Rebels are Space Terrorist Karens?
@@501ststormtrooper9 lmao
If memory serves the people on his home planet did see him as a god.
What if Lore Guy became Emperor.
Grievous would have reactivated the droids and give the empire an enemy that was already kicking ass before. (While still facing the rebels wich did kick they're ass) then rebels wouldnt have the numbers too go against grievous and his unlimited droids.
Truthfully I think Grievous wouldn't go after pirates and criminals.... I think that he'll go for the one people he knew might support him.... his own people the Kahleesh, to them he is a respected general and warrior. So the chances are that he might be able to build his own rebel cell amongst the Kahleesh, and I highly doubt that the empire wouldn't see them as little more than possible slaves, and of course many of the Kahleesh are warriors and strong ones at that. So with a strong force of Kahleesh warriors he might be able to cause some damage to the empire. Yet I highly doubt that he might side with the rebellion. Mostly because the rebels Idealise the Jedi, whom he despises, and I don't think the rebels would be willing to side with him or provide him with support after all the destruction he brought on the worlds that many of the rebels found support with.
Legends = win
Canon = loss
My head Canon = barely win
In Canon grievous is to weak to win
I think he'd just devolve into an anti-Imperial warlord. Similar to Garm Bel Iblis and Rahm Kota before they joined the rebels. The only difference is I doubt Grievous would join the Rebel Alliance unless they conceded a lot of manpower and resources to him, perhaps even as the top military billet in the Alliance.
always good to see that people still acknowledge TFU. I wonder, if there had been a 3rd Force Unleashed game, how would it have ended?
A final mission on Alderaan, around the same time as the major events of A New Hope are occurring, A non-canon ending where Starkiller manages to kill Vader, or Vader kills Starkiller, Juno, Kota, & Proxy?
Awesome vid! Hey, could you do what Vader and Starkiller killed the Emperor?
Same man. This seems like it opens a lot of possibilities
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What if Sidious sought to replace Maul not with Dooku but with Grievous?
I would like to think that Grievous would have the brains to see that he could be a asset to the rebellion and that just out and blatant attacking worlds would put the people against him. I would like to think that he actually would be a very useful character and Powerful Ally to have. Grievous is one of the most interesting characters of the Star Wars Clone Wars and I think his character is much underrated.
What if Abeloth was released from her prison durning the beginning of the clone wars?
I know it was just for the sake of argument, but still Grievous would never align himself with the rebellion in the first place. Their primary goal was to reinstate the republic that existed before Sidious, the republic that Grievous also despised. I think if he were to do anything politically motivated on a galaxy scale, it would be to revitalize the separatist movement, but really what I think is most likely is that he goes back to his homeworld of Kalee and wage war against the empire in his sector with his people. Kalee and his fellow Kaleesh warriors were the only thing he ever really cared about, even while serving the CIS.
He may be a brutal Warlord but he has a point how about instead of making him look like a psychotic moron we say he's actually quite cunning and decides to use people's on material possessions against them thus ensuring that a he becomes emperor and while leaving some Rebels to survive to form bigger and bigger he Slaughters them all and then repeat the process if I was one of his aides I would not even question why he would leave them alive like okay General anything you say
I was kinda with it until the side with Saul part. Saul I think out of all the rebellion would have personally hate the cyborg. I'm sure Saul would have left immediately from the rebellion claiming open war from both sides
As always, wonderful video!
I couldn’t see him joining the rebellion or being allowed to be apart of it even if he was against the empire. He was smart but also brutal and the rebellion wouldn’t of wanted to come across as that as civilians of many worlds under empire rule will see rebels as the actual threat and so there would be more harm then good. He would probably have his own army and have new leaders.
A general grievous movie spin off with this kind of story would be such a cool and interesting movie to see
I wonder What would happen if grievous and maul crossed paths during this theory?
Would they kill each other for control or would they put aside old grudges and team up?
Interesting.
What if Maul or Dooku joined the Alliance?
here's a triumvirate from hell: grievous+guerrera+maul.
General Grievous, Commander of the Droid Army, under this analysis video... wouldn’t have access codes to reactivate the droid armies that were simply deactivated and left for a period of time before being repurposed or dismantled?
Unlikely...
There wouldn’t be anything stopping him from reactivating the droid armies and actually taking over the galaxy, as it was only Sidious truly holding the CIS back before.
The real question is if he would even bother because most of his character motivation was so heavily based on the slaughter of the Jedi, and the order is already destroyed.
Saw would never have supported having Grievous in the rebellion, such a thing likely would have split the rebellion in half, or fractured it entirely, there likely would have been no formal alliance if he was there.
Not to mention the CIS killed his sister...and Grievous being a former CIS general is problematic on that front, to say the absolute least.
But remember, Saw wasn't official apart of the rebellion. Saw was using terrorist tactics that the rebels did not use, so they considered him an extremist. Bail Orgena talks about this in Rebels.
Bale Organa was a traitor
How about doing Grievous becoming a bounty hunter, joining the Rebels or the Empire doesn't sound like something Grievous would do if he survived.
I could see Grievous assuming control of Deathwatch. Think about it: A combatant skilled in the art of lightsaber combat, not materialistic, combat oriented rather than materialistic, and so on. He has no political ambitions, so he wouldn't be hellbent on taking control of people's lives that aren't worthy of his attention. Rather, he would drive his warriors to kill for the sake of killing, and make claims of honor in doing so. In some aspect, he'd be like Maul when he and Savage Opress took control of the group, shaping them their own unique image and philosophy.
His anger against the Republic and Jedi was just. One could argue he wasn't evil
he really wasn't th-cam.com/video/HkOKIp6TyHk/w-d-xo.html
he was angry for what the jedi did to his world then was manipulated later in life (post cyborg)
His motive may be just. But his actions, the entire mountains of corpses he left in his wake cannot be considered moral.
This is a man in deep pain. But no matter what he tries he will never be albe to share this pain with the galaxy. It is too big. Even for his fury.
Why is he stuck at 90k subs
Don’t forget, General Grievous had implants & so his attitude might change at least enough for him to be at least more effective than ineffective.
I like to think if Grievous survived he'd somehow help train Luke later down the line, specifically in Lightsaber combat.
If grievous survived i think he would operate from the shadows becoming an assasin.
Killing warriors and starting a new collection of fallen warrior weapons with a special slot reserved for sidious.
He would continue doing it until the right time came, he would find a rebel on the day they were about to attack sidious's base and he would talk him into taking him with him and lie that he will help them get threw.
Once they would be there he would abandon them all while they were battling the imperial armies.
He would go to Sidious's room and with ease defeat all his guards.
Sidious would see that as a good way to test vader and would order him to take on the general.
Vader(aka Anakin) would recognise him and remember what things he done in the past but now as a bad guy he wouldn't care.
Vader would stand no chance against Grievous's speed and would only delay his fall to the general.
Eventually grievous would cut the hand with the lightsaber and make vader fall.
Fueled with anger grievous proceeded to give the finishing blow but is force pushed by sidious.
Sidious and grievous would proceed to fight in a tight match but ultimately grievous would fall.
As sidious tortures grievous with force lightning the rebel group would enter.
Grievous noticing sidious distracted finishes sidious with a lightsaber to the heart.
Sidious would fall as the general laughs for the last time with a cough at the end.
The rebels would take vader to jail and grievous to the droid that repaired him to make him survive.
Despite the efforts grievous wouldn't make it alive but his vengence had been told and to honor the killer of sidious they would put sidious's lightsabers on the special slot in grievous's collection.
True line: the only reason Obi Wan could block grievous's attacks was because he allowed himself to be fully controlled by the force
If thats true then there would be no way vader could block such fast strikes from grievous
Had Greivous not been killed by Obi wan , I'm quite sure that Sidious would have arranged some kind of accident for him ... Or , just killed him himself as he would have no place or purpose within the newly formed Empire , much less would the majority of imperial citizens have accepted him as part of the Emperor's Entourage ... Secondly , Greivous was incredibly intelligent and would already have his fill of serving anyone else's purpose or crusade .
J. B. So why not just send him back to his homeworld he has no taste for politics and I doubt anyone really would look for him on his own planet.
KON- EL
The same reason the imperial citizens (formerly republic citizens) would want nothing to do with him . . He is a war criminal
Also , the rebel alliance sought to restore the republic to it's former self ... Greivous hated the republic just as much as he hated the Jedi ... I very strongly believe that Greivous would want nothing to do with what the rebel alliance stood for .
Well why didn't Sidious do that to all the survivors of order 66 or Maul? Because he is not a God and can't find them that easily.
stop
Because he was 2 people .. Sidious and Emperor Palpatine .. he actually did get rid of the people who could prove he was both
I think that he would have tried to implement a strategy like the cis did against the republic. I think they would try to restart the droid foundries, and then use the guerrilla tactics you described to keep the empire guessing and on their toes as they amassed a bigger and bigger droid army to join the rebels. I think that a grievous led droid army against the empire, especially with someone like Luke eventually to battle Vader, would be insane
if grievance could Unite the separatist hold and unreactive a portion of the droid army he could strike before the empire had time to consolidate power
one resource grievous would have that wasn't mentioned was Kalee, his home world, they would do ANYTHING for the guy, they saw him as a war god after all and a pillar of martial strength.
The Kalish were a warrior/hunter culture on a level equaling the Mandalorians in THEIR hay day just not as far along in the tech tree or as wide spread as they were, after all
During the run on the Death Star. Grievous would try to bait the empire to come get him. By basically bluffing the Separatist are still strong..More then likely with a semi working droid army. Sidius would send Vader and a force to clean him up. Leaving the death star exposed and with less loses. Grievous will die to Vader But go down as a war hero for basically baiting away Vader and some of his forces so the run could go easier. This would then spark Separatist planets to raise up once again.
Grievous would look for answers after his rebirth.
One thing I have to say is that General Grievous is a general not just a guy who wanders around killing things
I think that Grievous will be keep in secret, probably in Kalee and when the rebelion start, the Rebels will Discover and invite Grievous for the alliance, he will join, but he would be the Bad policial,thet who will kill, sacking and etc, but he will be one of the best generals in the rebelion with his experiences in the clone wars , he will be present duriing the major battles, Scarif, Yavin,Endor,Corunscam and others, when the new republic is found problaby he will be forgive by his war crimes and gave the rank of general of the republic fleet, problaby figth in the yuuzan vong war
I guess in the case of bad guys vs. bad guys we lose. If Grievous took full control, there'd be no good side for Luke to join. Or Luke and other Heros wouldn't have a benevolent trustworthy leader and as you said would disband.
Grievous would have to pull hidden armies out of his *** just like the First Order did but with even less recourses.
He's my favorite Star Wars villain just because he's a 4 light saber wielding cyborg that can fight Jedi without even needing the force, but I can't imagine a better outcome for him then this.
I don't think Grievous would be capable of tolerating working for the Rebel Alliance for long. And I don't think he'd be stupid enough to commit himself and all of his forces (droid, pirate, or otherwise) to attacking a world like Naboo and slaughtering people just to shame the empire, when as a war general he'd be completely aware of the fact that the Rebel/Pirate naval forces are paltry compared to the Empire's and he'd just be blockaded and massacred.
If anything, in the case of his survival, he'd likely be in contact with the Rebellion, but work on his own. If we're talking about Legends/2003 Clone Wars (aka pre-nerf) Grievous, he's literally a former champion gladiator, and has the capacity to duel multiple Jedi at once, and probably able to train others in that sort of combat. He'd probably work with pirates, smugglers, assassins and the like, form an army of marauders and direct squads of hitmen to slaughter high ranking imperials. Hell, he'd probably relish the chance to go one-on-one with Vader, IF he knew he had the advantage in the fight with some sneaky ambush.
Wasn't Grevious generally a bad leader? His main strategy was to basically just to throw droids and cause as much destruction as he could. The most skilled I ever saw him display in tactics was during the invasion of Kamino and it came very close to succeeding if not for Obi-Wan realizing the debris hitting the ocean were actually drop slips almost immediately.
wdcain1 Grievous in the EU/Legends continuity was a very skilled strategist. He even almost ended the clone wars. So I think that he'd be a very real threat compared to the Rebels.
In canon yeah, in legends hell no
wdcain1 he was the supreme commander of the CIS armed forces... a real life comparison would be to compare him to Eisenhower as commander of the Allied Forces in WW2... he was the highest ranking military official in charge of the whole Seperatist Allaince and all its major tactical decisions. Prior to this he was a notorious and generally successful warlord. Grievous was tactically intelligent and militarily knowledgeable. If you look, even at the canon sources, many of his failures can be fully attributed to Dooku and Sideous, not any fault of Grievous. Grievous in fact spends a great deal of time across the clone wars questioning Dookus tactical decisions, refering to them as unwise or bound to fail (Grievous never knew that this was because they actually were intended to fail as Sideous was playing both sides). I would go as far as to say that if Grievous got his way with every battle, and did not have to take counterproductive and sabotaging orders from Sideous, Grievous could have won the Clone Wars, or atleast come far closer to doing so. In the end, he didn't get to do alot of what he wanted tactically speaking, as he had too much respect for Dooku to directly and openly disobey him repetedly.
In legends he was far better. He terrified Jedi and clones alike, outmanoeuvring them at every turn.
In the show he was complimented on his strategy's efficiency by a tactical droid who said he predicted the Jedi's actions with 100 percent accuracy; he would have probably won the war if he hadn't been undermined, I think General Kalani said the odds of Republic victory was around 30% iirc
Ultimate Chaos and a GOOD EMPIRE. Jay, EMPIRE
Leia:you’re my only hope
Ben: *remembering grievous survived* no
Grievious publishes his life story and exposes the Emperor for started the clone wars and that he’s a Sith Lord.
Well without Sidious and Dooku fiddling with his brain, he might develop into a more reasonable dude.
I imagine he would end up training Luke in the seven lightsaber forms, despite Luke’s reservations
I could see grevious leading his own rebellion separate from the main one, putting the empire between a rock and a hard place, also if he were to meet Luke and not want to kill him, the amount of battle training grevious could give Luke would be insane and could possibly lead to Luke instead of Vader killing the emperor
Ah, I was hoping one of you guys would tackle this topic when I did this video back in December. I am very entertained with the direction you went too given I feel you know a lot more about how Grievous would have acted accurately. Nice video!
Rebel Grevious: GENERAL SKYWALKER!
VADER: THAT NAME NO LONGER MEANS ANYTHING TO ME.
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I have an idea of an AU fan fic where Obi-wan ends up being with the Satine, becomes a Mandalorian, then ends up in a very odd frienemies relationship with Grievous, who survived the Clone Wars by faking his own death. Qui-gonn beat Maul and trained Anakin, but saw a vision of Anakin bringing balance to the Force only after experiencing the Dark Side, so he allows himself to die at Anakin's hand during Order 66. Anakin becomes Vader and gains a similar suit but doesn't have the cybernetics, making him far more powerful, and he hunts Obi-wan, who he believes is the last Jedi-like individual in the galaxy of note, and winds up chasing Obi-wan (going by Ben) and Grievous until they join the Rebellion, where they become an outstanding tag team that fight Vader two v one multiple times and wind up training Luke together once he comes of age.
If Grievous was alive during the dark times, I believe he would join forces with Darth Maul because if you would look at it they do have a common enemy and that's palpatine. So it would make sense for them to combine their forces and band together to seek their revenge.
I can imagine Grievous's personal medical droid bitching all while taking him back to the lair for repairs🤣🤣..
A well-considered speculation, but you overlooked one key point. Grievous once told Obi-Wan, "I am not in this war for Dooku's politics. I am the leader of the most powerful droid army the galaxy has ever seen!" Think about that. Grievous is saying that he's in the war not for power or loyalty to a cause, but because he likes the work! Therefore, Grievous would not ally himself with the Rebel Alliance unless they made him commander-in-chief, something neither Mon Mothma nor Bail Organa would ever do.
I'd love this alternate timeline
Would pay good money to watch a series/ movie where Grievous and the partisans surgically strike lesser guarded Imperial outposts/ planets 👍 cool video dude.
Obi-wan and Grievous teaming up to survive order 66 would be cool.
Grievous cut through clones like butter on a daily. Storm troopers would be nothing.
I think that General Grievous would demolish Darth Vader in a lightsaber fight, Anakin Skywalker's fighting style would be easily dismantled by the pure speed of Grievous, even in anakin's prime he couldn't have defeated the cyborg. So after his injuries, and when he is put in the heavy clunky suit, making him even slower, I think that Grievous is speed would absolutely overwhelm Darth Vader.
Grievous: *meets kenobi again* Hello there
Kenobi: General Grievous I thought I killed you!
Grievous: oh how the tables have turned
I think you just found the best "What If" story for my like of Grievous.....and if nothing else Jar-Jar was supposed to of retired to Theed, so with the City burnt Jar-Jar's terror is at an end.